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Mari
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Denialism is the employment of rhetorical tactics to give the appearance of argument or legitimate debate, when in actuality there is none. These false arguments are used when one has few or no facts to support one's viewpoint against a scientific consens



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Past Member (0)
Monday December 17, 2007, 12:52 pm
Excellent! Keep spreading the word! That's one of the best blogs on the web! Denialism will destroy entire societies if he let it!
 

Mari 's (1364)
Monday December 17, 2007, 12:54 pm

I will spread the word of Truth even if it KILLS ME!

 

Past Member (0)
Monday December 17, 2007, 1:08 pm
From that blog: "We don't argue with cranks. Part of understanding denialism is knowing that it's futile to argue with them, and giving them yet another forum is unnecessary. They also have the advantage of just being able to make things up and it takes forever to knock down each argument as they're only limited by their imagination while we're limited by things like logic and data. Recognizing denialism also means recognizing that you don't need to, and probably shouldn't argue with it. Denialists are not honest brokers in the debate (you'll hear me harp on this a lot). They aren't interested in truth, data, or informative discussion, they're interested in their world view being the only one, and they'll say anything to try to bring this about. We feel that once you've shown that what they say is deceptive, or prima-facie absurd, you don't have to spend a graduate career dissecting it and taking it apart. It's more like a "rule-of-thumb" approach to bad scientific argument. That's not to say we won't discuss science or our posts with people who want to honestly be informed, we just don't want to argue with cranks. We have work to do."
 

Kevin L. (13)
Monday December 17, 2007, 1:56 pm
Excellent article - in depth with lots of resources.
 

serge vrabec (279)
Monday December 17, 2007, 3:22 pm
Good job!! Thx Marie
 

Kristyn Swazee (37)
Monday December 17, 2007, 5:55 pm
I would have to differ with your opinions. I do not believe in the man-made g.w. theory and my father is a scientist. Not meaning to sound biased in any way but he is far better educated and informed than the majority of people who I have seen commenting around care-2 on this subject. Anyone can be a commentator from the comfort of their pc chair, but then there are those who know the real science, work with it every day and get paid for it.
 

Kevin L. (13)
Monday December 17, 2007, 6:12 pm
Kristyn,
There are a few scientists commenting on care2. I respect your opinion and am trying to frame my argument in a nonconfrontational manner. I'm not sure that my response came out that way, but I've never been that good at coming up with analogies, so this is what I came up with as a warning.

If my father was an MI-6 agent and he thought murdering dissidents was the correct action, I would like to think that I wouldn't share his beliefs.

People like this denialism blogger and I are more interested in evidence than belief. It would be interesting to see your father's evidence.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday December 17, 2007, 6:21 pm
LOOK THERE IS ABOTTOM LINE AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS SO READ MY LIPS AND LISTEN UP
EVEN IF THERE IS THE SLIMMEST POSSIBILITY THAT IT I S MAN MADE AND ONLY A MARGIN OF IT IS MAN MADE. THAT IS ENOUGH IF ONE HAS THE INTEGRITY AND HAS THE PRUDENCE AND HUMANITY . EARTH AND ALL LIFE IN HIS HEART TO PAY ATTENTION, SEEK ALTERNATIVES AND MAKE CERTAIN THAT WHETHER MAN MADE MOSTLY, IN PART , THE POSSIBILITY OF, THE SMALL FRACTION OF, WHATEVER. IN THE INTEREST OF ALL LIFE FOREVER TOGETHER IN INCARNATION HEAVEN OR HELL
ON THIS PLANET
TO ALWAYS HAVE THE BEST INTEREST OF HUMANITY AND NOT ARROGANCE OR THE NEED TO BE RIGHT . AND THAT GOES FOR EVERY ISSUE AT THE CORE OF EVERY ARGUMENT FOR AND AGAINST EVERYTHING THAT EFFECTS ALL OF US. AND UNTIL PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THE POVERTY OF ARROGANCE AND DENIAL IN ANY SPHERE IS ULTIMATELY A DEATH SNETENCE FOR ALL OF US. then we as a species will continue to be in trouble. and in trouble we are
. and as far as the quality of minds on care2 : there may not be many as erudite as your daddy. but they are dedicated in helping to seek solutions to end suffering whethe r in sentient life forms or the planet and that goes a long way from any pc chair
 

Past Member (0)
Monday December 17, 2007, 6:39 pm
Thanks for the blog Mari. Keep up the good work.
 

Mari 's (1364)
Monday December 17, 2007, 6:52 pm


Thank you all for noting & please Note the Earth does not herself produce... the pollution we are. While the Earth is here and we are living on her... She the Earth the being we are living on.... is not creating MAN MADE Pollution. We can't push the blame onto the Earth when the Earth herself can't control what we do=) We need to take responsibility for our OWN actions insitead of blaiming The Earth.

We are here on this planet living not to abuse but live here. We need to clean up the mess we are making & stop dumping the clean up all on her. There are NO health benifits to Pollution N O N E. We are poisoning our water and planet.

Heaven or Hell Sophia... I pick Heaven :)

The Earth can not clean fast enough! The Earth can NOT keep up with the pollutions and poisons we are creating. We need to think about not ourselves but the future & the safety of this planet.



 

Past Member (0)
Monday December 17, 2007, 7:56 pm
"I do not believe in the man-made g.w. theory and my father is a scientist. Not meaning to sound biased in any way but he is far better educated and informed than the majority of people who I have seen commenting around care-2 on this subject."

Science is not about appeals to authority, but about presenting evidence and following consistent logic. No individual scientist can decide for others what is true, but if the evidence can convince the vast majority of the scientific community that something is true, then it must be strong enough for the average layman to accept too.
I wrote this blog about global warming some months ago:
http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/424786
((((Blog: The "chain of reason" in the global warming issue
There are four links in that chain, and all must be solid for the man-made global warming issue to be valid. Nothing else matters.

Has CO2 levels in the Earth's atmosphere been increasing over the past century? Scientific reports indicate that is the case.
Is CO2 a gas that causes heat to be retained in an atmosphere, thus making it a "greenhouse gas"? Scientific reports indicate that is the case.
Does human industrial and transportative processes produce vast quantities of CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere? Scientific reports indicate that is the case.
Has the average global temperature actually increased over the past few decades? Scientific reports indicate that is the case.
Those who throw around issues like nuclear power, questionable reports of exceptional weather, recent solar output, or natural climate changes in ancient or prehistoric times, only seek to cloud the issue. Unless and until you deal directly with the four central issues at the heart of the global warming issue, you have no real case.

The chain of reason remains unbroken.))))
 

Brandy Ramos (235)
Monday December 17, 2007, 8:51 pm
Thanks Mari. Noted
 

Glenda S. (13)
Tuesday December 18, 2007, 2:55 am
Thanks Mari,
Great link, made me stop and think about those that don't believe that GW is anthropogenic. Not a lot of point arguing.
I know what I see in my environment and it's not nice, another friend in Greenland knows what she and her family see on a daily basis and other in Papua New Guinea, another in Indonesia and then there are those in the Cateret Islands that are the very first GW refugees.
In the matrix they refer to humans as a virus.
 

Mari 's (1364)
Tuesday December 18, 2007, 3:15 am
(Read Below 12,000 scientists)

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Government agencies need to use the best available science to protect our health—setting standards that limit toxins in our drinking water and pollutants in the air we breathe. look up your senator's phone number.

http://www.care2.com/news/member/577339509/538328

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Science's Worst Enemy:

This article shows that science is being corrupted by big pharma and others to conceal negative effects in the name of profits.

http://www.care2.com/news/member/629054554/538222

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But it is the enormous carbon footprint of Southern Company – among the largest financiers of Republican Party politicians – which has raised eyebrows. Southern's employees handed George

http://www.care2.com/news/member/147319189/542907

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By Leonard Doyle in Washington
Published: 16 November 2007
An American power company with close financial links to President George Bush has been named as one of the world's top producers of global warming pollution.

The first-ever worldwide database of such pollution also reveals the rapid growth in global-warming emissions by power plants in China, South Africa and India. Power plants already produce 40 per cent of US greenhouse gas and 25 per cent of the world's.

But it is the enormous carbon footprint of Southern Company – among the largest financiers of Republican Party politicians – which has raised eyebrows. Southern's employees handed George Bush $217,047 to help him get elected, and they and the company have contributed an extraordinary $6.2m to Republican campaigns since 1990.

A single Southern Company plant in Juliette, Georgia already emits more carbon dioxide annually that Brazil's entire power sector. The company is in the top two of America's dirtiest utility polluters and sixth worst in the world.

http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/542998

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DENIALISM

Denialism is the employment of rhetorical tactics to give the appearance of argument or legitimate debate, when in actuality there is none. These false arguments are used when one has few or no facts to support one's viewpoint against a scientific consensus or against overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They are effective in distracting from actual useful debate using emotionally appealing, but ultimately empty and illogical assertions.

http://www.care2.com/news/member/577339509/574408

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White House should not hide the facts

The White House has a considerable record of charges that it attempted to edit or censor scientific information to conform with political goals. At this point, more than 12,000 scientists have signed a statement criticizing the Bush administration for manipulating science. With the many public health challenges confronting the nation and the world, Americans have a need and a right to know the truth. All our lives could depend on it.

http://www.care2.com/news/member/577339509/538113

http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/538184

 

Mari 's (1364)
Tuesday December 18, 2007, 3:22 am

My personal definition of global warming would be the unnaturally high overall average temperature of the Earth and the continuing trend of those temperatures to increase.

I'm concerned that the change in global temperatures will have a very negative impact on humanity. The Earth's population relies on a predictable environment with few fluctuations in its nature. Most people probably don't realize how closely tied our food sources are to a stable environment. A sudden, relatively drastic change in an area's temperature, rainfall, or various other environmental factors can mean that most crops will fail. If such crop failures suddenly become widespread across the globe, it could mean disaster. The people of the third world would suffer the most, but even Americans and Europeans could eventually be affected.

The rising sea levels will, of course, eventually wreak havoc with all coastal areas. In general, global warming could be an extremely serious threat to our way of life. There may also be dangers involved in global warming that are not yet apparent.

Unfortunately, many of the wealthy and influential people involved in politics in our country appear to be more concerned about maintaining the profit margins of their businesses than in doing what needs to be done to avoid a dangerous environmental change on the Earth. Exxon and other businesses appear to have exerted a great deal of influence on the current administration of the US. The Bush administration has done its utmost to avoid any sort of legislation or rulings that might be unfavorable to the oil and coal industries.

Moreover, the religious right in the US and other countries have done everything within their power to prevent family planning efforts across the globe. Global warming is largely a product of there being too many people on Earth. This is especially true with the massive populations of India and China now becoming more affluent and industrial.

The combination of the widening use of fossil fuels and the burdgeoning population of the planet ensure that a global warming disaster will be inevitable. Unfortunately, the policies of the Bush administration on both of these issues is exactly the worse possible stance.

Very few people manage to get any sort of news or information that does not come through the media. What the people in control of the media choose to broadcast is generally what people will know.

Of course, there are many different types of broadcasters. For instance, in talk radio, which tends to be dominated by conservatives, you will find very little accurate information on any subject, including global warming. (Kathleen Hall Jamieson of the Annenberg School for Communications at the University of Pennsylvania did a study that showed that Rush Limbaugh listeners believed they were the best informed people, but upon testing it was found they were actually the least informed).


Meanwhile, other sources of information that may contain a great deal of accurate information may have a relatively small audience. This is generally the case with most scientific journals.

Politics often seems to be a factor in which people form an audience for the various media outlets. The media outlets are well aware of this and tend to pander to their listeners. Thus, people who support politicians that do not take global warming seriously tend to hear media reports that reinforce the claims made by the politicians they support. It can be a vicious circle.


http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/451070

(Read Full Blog At The Link Above)

 

Mari 's (1364)
Tuesday December 18, 2007, 3:25 am

Blog: The "chain of reason" in the global warming issue By Dale H

There are four links in that chain, and all must be solid for the man-made global warming issue to be valid. Nothing else matters.

Has CO2 levels in the Earth's atmosphere been increasing over the past century? Scientific reports indicate that is the case.

Is CO2 a gas that causes heat to be retained in an atmosphere, thus making it a "greenhouse gas"? Scientific reports indicate that is the case.

Does human industrial and transportative processes produce vast quantities of CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere? Scientific reports indicate that is the case.

Has the average global temperature actually increased over the past few decades? Scientific reports indicate that is the case.

Those who throw around issues like nuclear power, questionable reports of exceptional weather, recent solar output, or natural climate changes in ancient or prehistoric times, only seek to cloud the issue. Unless and until you deal directly with the four central issues at the heart of the global warming issue, you have no real case.

The chain of reason remains unbroken.

http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/424786


 

Mari 's (1364)
Tuesday December 18, 2007, 4:07 am

Tell Presidential Candidates to Propose Real Global Warming Solutions!

It's about time American politicians stop paying lip service to global warming and start proposing real solutions!


Our 2008 presidential candidates will have to deal with the greatest environmental problem we have ever faced. As citizens of a country that is one of the world's biggest polluters, we must make sure that they don't just talk about it, but actually have a detailed plan for combating it.

An aggressive plan to combat global warming must include:

Imposing a cap on CO2 emissions across the country and sticking to it, without special rules for rich companies.

Increasing fuel efficiency standards dramatically for commuter vehicles as well as commercial trucks.
Cleaning up our current electric and other power plants.

Investing in alternative, cleaner energies such as wind power, and providing incentives for companies who develop and use these technologies.

Please join Deepak Chopra today in telling the 2008 presidential candidates to make solutions to global warming a top priority.

Signatures: 2,824

Goal: 50,000

Deadline: Ongoing...

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/173707626

 

Darlene K. (367)
Tuesday December 18, 2007, 9:55 am
It is a huge fight to separate "business and state", which has affected every area of life, on this planet. This force holds on to the fact of global warming as a natural occurence on this planet, and they won't step up further, for accountablility and change..., because, of the change in Business profits, hence the wealthy. Mankind has speeded up the process of global warming immensely, and Mari explained it very well. Keep informing the world...., and keep your light bright through their darkness.
 

Darlene K. (367)
Tuesday December 18, 2007, 9:57 am
You signed this petition at:
10:20 AM PST, Nov 26, 2007
 

Chris Otahal (509)
Tuesday December 18, 2007, 10:39 am
Well, I am a scientist ( MS in Wildlife Biology) working with endangered species. I often see the adverse affects of climate change on the species I deal with - and have to contend with these issues - so I can attests first had that the problems are indeed real ....
 

Janet Pearson (8)
Tuesday December 18, 2007, 1:20 pm
Thank you for posting this site! I had never heard of it before and I am sure it will come in handy when I have to deal with denialists of all persuasions.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 18, 2007, 2:05 pm
It's not just climate change. Denialism is a disorder that affects all sorts of issues. There are evolution denialists (better known as Creationists), AIDS denialists (who either say AIDS is not a real disease or that it was a product of some anti-black or anti-gay conspiracy), Holocaust denialists, and moon landing denialists. What they all have in common is a flat refusal to accept what would be commonly understood by most educated people about a particular subject. Rather than acknowledge what should be obvious, the denialists look for an excuse, any excuse, to reject what makes them so uncomfortable and then seeks to convert others to their way of thinking to make themselves feel better.

It's all about one's fragile ego and it's just pathetic. The most honorable thing to do when a position you have taken is disproven is to say openly, "I was wrong," and then change your position. That's something a denialist, of any kind, never does.
 

Michael W. (72)
Tuesday December 18, 2007, 3:17 pm
I am also a scientist MD, PhD in Materials Science& Engineering, did extensive work with endoperoxide precursors for the Jarvik 7, have been extensively involved with trying to save habit that may contain medicinals that may help mankind for over 25 years, have never been on anybodies payroll especially an oil company and wish you would all keep them up north. So if we are passing out CV's there's mine.
I don't know anybody that denies climate change or who doesn't advocate doing everything possible to make this world a better place. The view from the Northern Hemisphere may differ from the Southern aren't the voices from the south important? Many here believe you want to keep us undeveloped so were available for exchange of carbon credits. Fine by me especially if the moneyfor those carbon credits get put into Soverign Wealth Funds for the people. I have noticed in these discussions if the is a disagreement as to the catastrophic nature of GW emotions get raised and comments like above get pressed forward. While Sophia's passion re the GW issue is understandable the OPENpage news forums are that open. Thats why there are groups to discuss privately these items. Kristin just expressed her ideas - good for her.I wonder if those expounding on this article read the whole thing :re Vaccine deanialism, the denialism of antii-animal testing/animal rights extremists. (Examples of common topics in which denialists employ their tactics include: Creationism/Intelligent Design, Global Warming denialism, Holocaust denial, HIV/AIDS denialism, 9/11 conspiracies, Tobacco Carcinogenecity denialism (the first organized corporate campaign), anti-vaccination/mercury autism denialism and anti-animal testing/animal rights extremist denialism. Denialism spans the ideological spectrum, and is about tactics rather than politics or partisanship.) .
 

Glenda S. (13)
Tuesday December 18, 2007, 3:34 pm
I am part of a 'stop global warming group' and it is full of crackpots suggesting that it is all a scam. They have two reasons, 1. to make people give up the group, 2. to spread misinformation. This link on denialism is a wonderfully helpful tool for those who are faced with this situation.

GW is no longer a argument as I see it, the facts are in.

An article that I recently posted on the stop global warming site in reply to a denialist (a stupid thing to do) may be of some interest to some as the links are relevant even though some are a few years old. And some are based in Australia.

There are a massive amount of articles about scientists been censored. In Australia the main body the CSIRO is censored by the government, many scientist have left.I suggest you read the award winning book "Global Spin" which explains just how corrupt the governments of the world are, and the lengths they will go to.
Sharon Beder has had her eye on the politics of misinformation for many years, she is well versed to write articles and has won various awards around the world, including the wonderful world of Washington's PR companies. During the 2000 Olympics she was basically shut down for fear of allowing the world to see how toxic the area around the olypmic site was.
Civil engineer and Environmental scientist. Sharon Beder originally trained as a civil engineer in New Zealand. She held a variety of engineering positions in New Zealand and Australia before commencing a Masters of Science and Society degree at the University of New South Wales. This was followed by a PhD, during which she made discoveries about the contamination and sewerage pollution of Sydney's beaches. Beder passed the information to newspapers and also rewrote her thesis for publication, Toxic Fish and Sewer Surfing, Allen and Unwin, 1989.


Thinks tanks have managed to control the masses, but now with the internet information is out there for all to share. This is another reason why certain people want ownership of the internet.

http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/sbeder/tanks.html

Censorship is alive and well.......
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200602/s15...

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s156...

http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/

IN the science world there are scientists suing as they have had their words twisted and falsely reported. There are scientist who are on the other side such as Tim Ball.........

Follow the links and you'll find that Dr. Timothy F. Ball is the chair of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project, which attempts to counter the Kyoto Protocol and other sensible greenhouse gas reduction schemes via industry funded campaigns dressed up as a grassroots movement.

In other words, he gets paid a lot of money to write such articles. Part of that money is being used to sue a newspaper, a Canadian university and several honest people, who have questioned Tim Ball's qualifications. I found that out from wikipedia.

Tim Ball's article talks about "greatest deception in the history of science" and "there no evidence that we are, or could ever cause global climate change". These words falsely imply that thousands of scientists are fabricating evidence. He says that in universities "academics remain silent" which is ridiculous and even more so when you consider the "screaming" that Mark Lawson claims goes on. It is just absurd.

Tim Ball says "The theory was accepted before testing had started, and effectively became a law." I wonder how much he gets paid for putting out such nonsense.

Every climate sceptic has to lie, misinform, make personal attacks or general attacks against science or the scientific community. This is again proven by the Tim Ball article, as for every like article posted on OLO.
[quote] David Latimer
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warm...
 

Michael W. (72)
Tuesday December 18, 2007, 4:11 pm
This a great article so I suggest that some of it is worth posting

This is not to say that real conspiracies never occur, but the assertion of a conspiracy in the absence of evidence (or by tying together weakly correlated and nonsensical data) is usually the sign of a crackpot. Belief in the Illuminati, Zionist conspiracies, 9/11 conspiracies, holocaust denial conspiracies, materialist atheist evolution conspiracies, global warming science conspiracies, UFO government conspiracies, pharmaceutical companies suppressing altie-med conspiracies, or what have you, it almost always rests upon some unnatural suspension of disbelief in the conspiracy theorist that is the sign of a truly weak mind. Hence, our graphic to denote the presence of these arguments - the tinfoil hat.

It tells us how to determiine who cranks are:

1. Cranks insist that their alleged discoveries are urgently important.
2. Cranks overestimate their own knowledge and ability, and underestimate that of acknowledged experts.
3. Cranks rarely if ever acknowledge any error, no matter how trivial.
4. Cranks love to talk about their own beliefs, often in inappropriate social situations, but they tend to be bad listeners, and often appear to be uninterested in anyone else's experience or opinions.
Now, in our terminology not every denialist is a crank, but cranks use pretty much exclusively denialist arguments to make their point. Cranks are a bit more deserving of pity, a bit closer to delusion and mental illness than the pure denialist, who knows that they are spouting BS to sow confusion.

From personall point of view Global Warming is occuring. If people come to your group who are there for malicious type propaganda, block them, but castigation re responses posted in this type of open forum falls in to a class all by itself- Pg 11 of the article tells how to spot a crank(denialist) & what to do it evens ends:

"You see? It's easy to be a crank. Just follow these simple guidelines and remember, you're never wrong. No matter what."
 

Glenda S. (13)
Tuesday December 18, 2007, 4:27 pm
Sorry some of my links had been altered,
these in order as above are correct.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200602/s1568055.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1569599.htm

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htm
 

Mari 's (1364)
Tuesday December 18, 2007, 4:40 pm

Denialism is a disorder. It is an extremely dangerous disorder that threatens to kill the human species and all animals if we allowed it to.

I personally know a number of people that deny climate change. That is what has brought me to put this in the news here at Care2. This is a serious issue. If denialists are allowed to spread lies unchallenged and poison the opinions of too many people, their disinformation could easy result in many people dying. If people do not realize the truth and do not take action against global warming, the consequences will almost certainly be deadly for large numbers of people. Those people may even be you or I.

If global warming continues unchecked, considerable areas of densely inhabited land will be permanently flooded. Millions will be forced to migrate to new areas. Such huge numbers of refugees will be certain to result in conflicts and great hardships.

Floods and changing weather patterns will cause areas that are currently prime farmland to experience crop failures. These crop failures are likely to occur worldwide. The result will be massive famines.

Huge numbers of refugees suffering from famines will be a likely breeding ground for all sorts of nasty diseases. There will be many deaths and much suffering.

Hearing claims that global warming is untrue is scary. The possibility that those false claims may be believed by gullible people is even more scary. They are scary to me because their denial could very well result in death and suffering for myself, my loved ones, nature, wildlife, & humans all around the planet.









 

Mari 's (1364)
Tuesday December 18, 2007, 6:10 pm
In response to Glenda's link:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htm

The author of this article is Timothy Ball. He is pretty much a standard denialist mouthpiece.
He tries to present himself as an expert in climatology, but he is not. He is a retired professor of geology with very little knowledge of climatology. Not surprisingly, he is currently receiving most of his income indirectly from the oil companies.

He was involved in a court case in Canada in which his credentials were a factor. Here is some information regarding Ball from the court documents from that case:

-Ball has never held a reputation in the scientific community as a noted climatologist and authority on global warming.
-Ball never published any papers in peer reviewed scientific journals which addressed the topic of human contributions to greenhouse gas emissions and global warming.
-Ball has published no papers on climatology in academically recognized, peer-reviewed scientific journals since his retirement as a professor in 1996.
-Ball's credentials and credibility as an expert on the issue of global warming have been repeatedly disparaged in the media.
-Ball is viewed as a paid promoter of the agenda of the oil and gas industry, he is not viewed as a practicing scientist.
-Ball was NOT the first individual to have a PhD in Climatology in Canada, (contrary to his claims).
-Ball was NOT a professor at the University of Winnipeg for 28 years, (contrary to his claims). He was only a professor there for 8 years.
-Ball has NEVER conducted any research regarding the relationship between climate and elements within the atmosphere.

The legal paper from which these details were garnered can be viewed at this link:
http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/Calgary%20Herald%20Statement%20of%20Defence.pdf

Timothy Ball is basically a cliche of a non-qualified, low quality academic being paid by the oil industry to spread disinformation and cause people to have doubts about global warming.




 

Michael W. (72)
Tuesday December 18, 2007, 6:45 pm
nicely framed response Mari E. Several years ago when iinformation first startedbeing made public re. the ozone layer and how warming would cause melting of the ice caps I listened to people try o explain why that was a good thing for the world's economy. The human cost was never considered. If the oceans raise only 1" no matter who's model is followed lots of people become displaced. I couldn't believe the arrogance of those tauting increased temperature/ice melt as a good thing. Ijust disagree with being acerbic or rancorous to others who aren't attempting to be disemblers, denialists or cranks to me that requires an underlying malicious intent
 

Glenda S. (13)
Tuesday December 18, 2007, 7:09 pm
Hi Maria and Micheal, I not sure if you realised but I was not defending Timothy Ball, if you read my article that the link is joined too he is a real piece of work.......

Every climate sceptic has to lie, misinform, make personal attacks or general attacks against science or the scientific community. This is again proven by the Tim Ball article, as for every like article posted on OLO.
[quote] David Latimer
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htm
 

Michael W. (72)
Tuesday December 18, 2007, 8:11 pm
I realized it Glenda I read your link and thank you for the information.
 

Marian E. (152)
Tuesday December 18, 2007, 10:31 pm

Excellent post and equally excellent comments by most.

Thank you Mari.
 

Mari 's (1364)
Wednesday December 19, 2007, 5:35 am
Sorry Glenda, didn't mean it to look like that response was aimed at you. I was just gving some info on Ball. Thanks for the info you posted.
 

Sandra M Z. (114)
Wednesday December 19, 2007, 12:09 pm
Geat article Mari. Debunkers, denialist, how can we fight this ignorance? How many more signs does a person need to see or read about? Seas are already rising in Vietnam, Thailand, small islands off NZ and India. One third of the U.S. will be underwater. We will all be living in very close quarters looking for food and water, as millions do today. Many people believe that they will be saved from these things, that their God, Money, location, stocked bunker, etc. will keep them alive through it. I guess some will, but most estimates are that up to 85% of the world population will perish, not to mention countless species will be extinct. These are truths today, songbirds are diappearing, fish about fished out., honeybees getting lost, can't find their hive, more. The global population is on it's way to 7 Billion. Our sheer numbers make it impossible for children born today to even hope to have a "normal" life. We don't need any more mis-information, it's killing EVERYTHING. Thanks, Mari, noted.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 19, 2007, 4:33 pm
What's funny is that denialists say things like "It's the Sun alone that is warming us, not what humans do," as if that is an article of faith rather than a legitimate scientific conclusion. And it is not enough for denialists to suggest that people like Al Gore are mistaken about their conclusions. They have to go further and assert that Gore and others are involved in some evil conspiracy, despite the total lack of evidence for this. This is intended to put psychological pressure on those that may be neutral about the issue and to try to intimidate opponents of the denialists.

Anyone who acts this way is being dishonest, pure and simple.
 

Glenda S. (13)
Wednesday December 19, 2007, 9:56 pm
Thanks Mari :)
 

Cynthia P. (18)
Friday December 21, 2007, 7:14 pm
You go girl Mari!!!! Good job & keep up the good work!!!! :o)
 

Raja G. (142)
Saturday June 28, 2008, 9:37 am
This should read by all in Power in every Country - But will they?
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday June 28, 2008, 5:15 pm
Is that like following HITLER eventhough he wasn't Aryan? If so, can you imagine things that could be denied!
Louise B.
 
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