Tuesday April 15, 2008, 9:12 pm

By Martin Croucher
Epoch Times UK Staff

The killing of persecuted groups in Chinese military hospitals so that their organs can be harvested for sale may still be continuing, a former politician who investigated the issue said.

Last year a report exposed that China was not only harvesting organs from prisoners on death row but also adherents of the banned Falun Gong spiritual movement, many of whom were detained without trial.

The investigation caused international outrage and prompted assurances from China's transplant industry that foreign visitors would not be sold organs that had come from an executed person.

However report author and former Canadian Secretary of State David Kilgour told a conference at Cambridge University last Tuesday that he believed the tainted organs were still being sold to rich Chinese.

He said: "The party-state in China and its agencies have killed thousands of Falun Gong practitioners, without any form of prior trial, and then sold their vital organs for large sums of money, often to 'organ tourists' from wealthy countries.

"The Chinese Medical Association recently agreed with the World Medical Association that 'organ tourists' can no longer obtain transplants in China.

"Whether this is anything more than public relations, intended to benefit the Olympics, remains to be seen.

"Another concern is that organs seized from Falun Gong practitioners will now go to wealthy Chinese patients instead, with the hideous commerce thus continuing in the same volumes."

The report cites 41,500 unexplained organ transplants from 2000 to 2005 that do not come from convicted executed prisoners, the brain-dead or family donors.

The report suggests that the organs come from adherents of Falun Gong—a non-political spiritual movement whose principles are truthfulness, compassion and tolerance which was banned in 1999.

There are believed to be at least a million practitioners in labour camps across the country. According to U.N. Special Rapporteur Manfred Novak, Falun Gong practitioners are the victims of two-thirds of all torture cases in China.

According to sources inside China, as recently as Christmas Eve last year surgeons at the Second Hospital Affiliated with Harbin Medical University performed a heart transplant operation using organs believed to be from an executed donor. It is not clear whether in this case the "donor" was a Falun Gong practitioner.

Kilgour said: "Human lives across China appear to have no more value to the Party than does the natural environment, work safety or health care. In my judgement, it is the toxic combination of totalitarian governance and 'anything is permitted' capitalism that allows this new form of evil in the world to persist."

Speaking in a conference with report co-author and human rights lawyer David Matas, Kilgour likened the 2008 Beijing Olympics to the 1936 Olympics in Nazi Germany.

However he said that in many cases conditions in China now are already worse than those in 1936, including what he likens to a campaign of genocide against Falun Gong.

He said: "The propaganda phase, begun in mid-1999 against a then estimated 70-100 million Falun Gong practitioners across China, demonized, vilified and dehumanized them in Party-controlled media. Many Chinese were thus persuaded to think of the community as even somehow less than human. It recalls a similar media campaign unleashed by a regime in Rwanda against its minority Tutsi community prior to the genocide there between April and June, 1994."

Tuesday April 15, 2008, 11:06 pm
I did not know about this at all. This is appalling. Thank you, Elisa.

Tuesday April 15, 2008, 11:12 pm
Thanx Elisa it is absolutely abismal - and I believe still going on - China has a lot to answer for!!!

Wednesday April 16, 2008, 1:26 am
There are so many barbaric things that happen in China, they have managed to keep things hidden and one day we will see what they really are about.

Wednesday April 16, 2008, 4:31 am
This is digusting. I never heard of this before. Noted.

Wednesday April 16, 2008, 5:17 am
China is the one of the worst countries for animals so I am not surprised about this because when a country is absolutely cruel

Wednesday April 16, 2008, 5:18 am
to animals (the most defenceless of all) they can do whatever to humans...

Wednesday April 16, 2008, 6:31 am
Noted. I have heard of this before. Some have no choice, they are just taken. Even the people not only animals are forced to have things done to them or else. Feel glad you are free to speak & do basically what we like.

Wednesday April 16, 2008, 7:53 am
Why doesn't this horryfying story surprise me?
-Because you can expect just anything from
the brutal, dictatorial Chinese Regime.
They just don't know what Human Rights are...

Wednesday April 16, 2008, 9:47 am
I have read about this on a site about Falung Gong. I could not believe it then, but sadly to say, more than one source mentions this inhumane, barbaric practice.
I wonder if a country so far from our western mentality and thinking could ever "conform" as far as what we consider to be essential and basic human rights. Talking about these, I do not even dare hope for the animals or the enviroment.
We (the western nations) have to be very cautious not to fall into the trap in believing we "know" this people. We are worlds appart, yet we do buissiness with them .....

Wednesday April 16, 2008, 11:35 am

I also found that ......



Falun Gong's Organ Harvesting Allegation Has Long Been Discredited

by bobby fletcher Page 1 of 1 page(s)

http://www.opednews.com




While China's human rights record should be examined, I would like to urge you to look into all the facts of the case regarding the organ harvesting allegation made by the religious sect Falun Gong, promoted by Mr. David Matas.

In my opinion Falun Gong's actions not only discredited their own cause, they also detracted from honest examination of China's problems. Falun Gong's indictment muddles the rational discussion of issues such as Chinese society's moral, ethical standards on dignity and treatment of the condemned.

It is in this spirit I would like to bring to your attention some contrarian facts surrounding Falun Gong's recent media activity:

- The US State Department's undercover investigation found Falun Gong's Sujiatun/Auschwitz allegation not credible. [1]

- A US Congressional brief critical of China questioned the veracity of Falun Gong's claim of genocide and credibility of Kilgour/Matas report. [2]

- An independent investigation by long-time Chinese dissident Harry Wu found Falun Gong's witness unverifiable. [3]

- The Ottawa Citizen published a report on the veracity of Falun Gong's organ harvesting allegation, and credibility of the Kilgour report. [4]

- The hospital Falun Gong accused is partly owned by a Malaysian health care company and subject to oversight beyond Chinese authority. Malay officials have documented prior year visits, and the facility has been open to the public for years. [5]

- The gory photo admitted as evidence by Mr. Kilgour is not evidence of vivisection.

A pathologist review of the photo of Mr. Wang Bin in the Kilgour report, Appendix 20 Case 1, contradicted Falun Gong's claim. [6] Even according to Falun Gong's own evidence, an autopsy was performed as part of Mr. Wang's murder investigation held by local authority. [7]

Another photo that is widely mis-used by Falun Gong is of Mr. Liu Yufeng, it, too, does not prove vivisection.

In reality these photos are medical in nature, and are not evidence of atrocity. For example Falun Gong used a photo of breast cancer to support their "sexual torture" allegation. This story ran for two years before a physician blogger noticed it. [8]

In conclusion, writing an allegory of 'Schindler's List' is not the way to examine China's human rights record. If we can not be precise with our accusation and only resort of nefarious indictment - why should anyone take the issue seriously?

Charles Liu
Seattle, WA

Wednesday April 16, 2008, 12:52 pm
I agree that this is an important issue. However, the U.S. government (that you U.S. citizens elect and support with your taxes) does much worse than the Chinese government does. E.g. the U.S. military has killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people in the last few years (mostly civilians, but also some Iraqi freedom fighters who are defending their homeland against U.S. forces that are greedy for oil). And e.g. the U.S. gives $3 billion military aid each year to the brutal and racist Israeli regime, $600 billion per year to the brutal terrorist regime in Colombia, and plenty of military aid to other oppressive regimes, such as the undemocratic, fundamentalist Saudi Arabian regime.

The U.S. continues its centuries-old imperialist policies of direct imperialist war, imperialist proxy war, and plunder of the Third World - most famously in recent dacades, the Middle East and Latin America. That imperialist war directly kills hundreds of thousands of people each year. The imperialist plunder (extortion-level high interest loan repayments, exploitative trade deals, corporate exploitation, etc.) takes hundreds of billions of dollars each year from the people of the Third World, thus causing the deaths of millions more people from poverty (including millions of children).

The U.S.A. does all this and more. The U.S.A. clearly does much more harm, causing much more suffering than China does. So, by the same logic that you use about China, let's take even more action to stop the U.S.A.!!!

Wednesday April 16, 2008, 2:00 pm
China scares me, for so many reasons. Always has. Always will.

Wednesday April 16, 2008, 6:52 pm

Thank you Simon for your comment.

Isabella Hillmayr, please read the other article I posted that exposes the comment/article you posted is not true.

'David Matas Explains Organ Harvesting in China'

Wednesday April 16, 2008, 7:05 pm

Everyone here is the link to the other above-mentioned article.

http://www.care2.com/news/member/580831051/710736

Wednesday April 16, 2008, 7:12 pm

****EVERYONE HERE IS ANOTHER LINK EXPOSING ORGAN HARVESTING IN CHINA

http://en.epochtimes.com/211,111,,1.html

Wednesday April 16, 2008, 8:25 pm
I covered this story 20 years ago. You think it's just the brutal Chinese regime doing this? Hilarious. Who else do you think is buying the organs buy the way? How come the list of transplant operations vastly exceeds the number of donor organs officially available, do you think. Here's a picture to help us all sleep a little worse. Before they are shot, prisoners are tissue typed. They are harvested according to a grim shopping list. It was happening in Romania before (and after) the 'revolution. It was being co-ordinated out of Austria. A number of western medical cartels were receiving the organs. One which was very, very nearly busted was the Humana chain. In the end all that was proved was that they were buying illegal organs from kidney donors who were being bribed or coerced into selling (or waking up to find they had lost), a healthy kidney. The number of organ transplants they did was more than twice the number of legal organs available for the whole of the UK.

It was not only the most frightening research I ever did but it seemed so far fetched that the series reporter I was with would not believe it even when he learned that the head of Timisoara hospital's renal unit had rushed in and had the storage facilities cleaned out and a pile of bodies removed from the morgue by truck. This is an international business. China's just a lot less bothered about people finding out than Europe or America. But believe me, the rest of the world is up to its neck in this business.

Wednesday April 16, 2008, 8:35 pm

Thank you Sara for your comment. I am aware that China is not alone in this practice-- but never can seem to find any articles. Hmmmm.

Wednesday April 16, 2008, 9:02 pm
Nope. No articles. :-) I don't think I even have my research notes any more. The people who do have this story are retired intelligence field officers. We had a couple. One told us what to look for and where but would not speak on record and the other would only speak openly if we got him out of Romania. We didn't have the resources to get him out or the clout with the govmt to guarantee him asylum. I was sure someone else would break the story before now. But so far nothing.

Wednesday April 16, 2008, 9:40 pm
The way China is I don't think i want any organs from that place.. they aren't one bit clean or humane.. I think i rather die than have anything from that nation.. they are the most inhumane the most money hungry nation i hvae seen yet on here... & they probably don't do any test on the prisoners to see if they are healthy or not either... what you pay for is what you get... no thanks..sad

Thursday April 17, 2008, 1:49 am
thank you Elisa M.

Like Sara S. I just can't get it into my head that people will do this. I guess that is why I am also afraid about tissue typing and cell harvesting. They sell this "possibility to cure eventually deadly conditions" to expecting parents and harvest stem cells at the time of birth to be stored, together with all your data. Later on in your life all this data will follow you around everywhere.........

I know they harvest organs from children and that people do sell their kidneys - mostly in India - at least I was nder this impression till now. In Serbia they harvested organs as well, but I found only and article again denying this.

I think we will see a lot more of this in the years to come!

Thursday April 17, 2008, 3:27 am
Elisa, thanks for sharing article.
Everytime organ harvesting gets exposed there will be somebody trying to discredit it. Even the extent of Chinese torture is not fully grasped, though we do know of it being extreme.
I also saw that doctor's note on the blog, at the time he made it and thought he was jumping to denial conclusions right away.
The victim had indeed been tortured, so whether their breast rotted away from infection or developed cancer, would not have changed that anyway, but that should not detract from the fact torture is going on either.
As far as organ harvesting of their prisoners goes, China admitted that some time ago, as they do not think prisoners have the rights to object, nor us.
They did not admit to the full extent of it is all. And it makes people uncomfortable to believe it of course. It is so horrifying.
It is so hard to get people to listen to the horrors of organ-harvesting committed against other humans around the world, but so easy to silence people. There will always be someone trying to just make a denial article & blow it off, after people have risked their lives to prove these things & many people really do know of it for sure.
And Sara, it is too bad your article did not get published after all that was put into it & too bad the Romanian witness could not be offered protection/asylum. One wonders what happened to him.

Thursday April 17, 2008, 3:46 am
I agree with many people here, though it seem strange, since some opinions are opposite. Organ harvesting is immoral and terrible act.
So i agree with this!
But also agree with Simone! And not only about USA, but about many other injustice regimes and things in this world, which are never targeted.

If we point all injustice and terible things, this site wuld be to small!
And about organs harvesting.
I wonder how the rest of the world suply with it, for we know transplantations are performing everywhere, and donated organs can not satisfy demand. What about black market of organs, which became lately more profitable than drugs! About vanished people, children. I have read a long time ago about hospitals in Brazil where were kids (adopted!!) preparing for organ harvest.
Mafia also deal with it, all over the world, in USA too!
I am afraid that this terrible thing which is happening in China (and we have informations about it!!) is just a small part of trading with organs. And when say trading with organs, it is not hard to imagine what it is all about..and how this process looks-from vanishing persons to implanting his/her organs to someones body. And I guess the owner of receiving body is very rich or powerful! Perhaps all this sound as science fiction, but is not, and as usual, reality is in front of science fiction for so many times!

Thursday April 17, 2008, 3:56 am
And yes Elisa, about finding articles-think, that we find article which are we ALLOWED to find! So many things will never see a light of a day!
Do not you think, it is something as manipulating us!
Well, that is notorious fact, about mind and media manipulating!
What has never been answered, and I guess never will be- who has the strings and what achieve with manipulating?!

Thursday April 17, 2008, 6:56 am
I just wanted to point out that I do believe that China is harvesting organs - just whish it not to be true.

Thursday April 17, 2008, 9:22 am
there is tons of youtube information available..
organ harvesting in china
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5V7BcgYqRI

Thursday April 17, 2008, 12:27 pm
Thanks Elisa. Very important issue for us to keep awareness out there about.

Thursday April 17, 2008, 4:30 pm
Excellent thread, with some great comments.
Life has become so cheap, all over the world,
by all governments, to one degree or another.
But, it seems that life has less value in China
than anywhere.
And I agree with Simon. The U.S. is catching up.

Thank you, Elisa.
noted.

Thursday April 17, 2008, 8:21 pm
Cebelica you are absolutely right about the people who just 'disappear'.

It seems that there is no end to the evil humanity is capable of. But by the same token, in a universe of equal and opposite reactions, there must also be an endless goodness if we can just find it!

Thursday April 17, 2008, 10:31 pm
Yes Sara, and that is what is what is keeping us going on, not giving up, hoping and as many members here, giving our, perhaps small conntributions,to inform and teach each others, to support and to gather in one commonn goal- to bring more justice and love , if nothing for our children..And lot of "small" can make once strong river which will splash at least some dirtiness of this world, which could be great place for living..

Thursday April 17, 2008, 10:46 pm
Unbelieveable!!! Are those people really "humans"?

Thank you, Elisa.
- noted

Friday April 18, 2008, 12:21 am

Personally, I don't trust anything the Falun Gong say. I do think though, that the Chinese harvest organs, as do many.

Life seems to have less value in most countries that are heavily populated
with the very poor.

Thank you Elisa.

Friday April 18, 2008, 7:15 am
I heard of it before in hush hush tones about an elderly wealthy Indian getting a new liver from CHina as her own had cirrhosis . SHe was operated upon in the US. SO CHina , apart from tigerfarming, bear farming, racoon farming industries has human organ farms too.Sara's comment, "Before they are shot, prisoners are tissue typed. They are harvested according to a grim shopping list." is frightening.

Friday April 18, 2008, 11:19 am
Oops, I meant to write that the U.S.A. gives $600 MILLION military aid each year to Colombia's corrupt, brutal and oppressive regime - not "$600 billion". Sorry about that. Now, to our U.S. friends: your turn to apologise - for that murderous military aid. And preferably STOP GIVING that military aid.

Friday April 18, 2008, 4:52 pm
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/chinas-most-wanted-list-21-protestors-sought

Monday May 19, 2008, 3:26 am
Re: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/petition/928204536:From The Heart OF
SAN FRANCISCO-CALIFORNIA - FROM THE PEOPLE BY THE [DISABLED] PEOPLE: A HUMAN RIGHTS DISABILITY ALERT: MHONA International- I am a patient waiting for a donor transplant 7 years and told I must wait another 7 years. I have been working on this project with others to collect 1 million signatures, as well through our non-profit to hold a local-global town meeting on this.Please sign our petition, and join us for further local/ global action(s).We are working with the Falun Gong community, who are as family, family members directly being murdered.I am also a member (CIPFG) of the Commission Investigating The Persecution of Falun Gong, among other citified, community boards, medical interfaces, physicians, nurses, clinics. With your signatures we hope to take them to the United Nations directly. Please if you are a patient awaiting an organ donor, or tissue donor, family member, friend, localy, globally we need you signature of support.As disabled lives and profoundly we will no more keep our silence.MHONA International-Box 22162-San Francisco-Ca.94122.3218.