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AIPAC Undermines Democracy at Home and in the Middle East


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Abdessala
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AIPAC has tremendous clout but its influence has been disastrous for U.S. foreign policy and U.S. democracy. Here are ten reasons why AIPAC is so dangerous.



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Abdessalam Diab (154)
Friday March 2, 2012, 5:59 am
To make it easy,Please find herein the full text of this story.


10 Reasons Why the Israel Lobby AIPAC is So Dangerous

February 28th, 2012 · Posted by Occupy AIPAC!


Medea Benjamin

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is one of the most powerful lobby organizations in the country. AIPAC’s clout helps fuel a never-ending cycle of violence in the Middle East.

Here are ten reasons why AIPAC is so dangerous.

1. AIPAC is lobbying Congress to promote a military confrontation with Iran. AIPAC – like the Israeli government – is demanding that the U.S. attack Iran militarily to prevent Iran from having the technological capacity to produce nuclear weapons, even though U.S. officials say Iran isn’t trying to build a weapon (and even though Israel has hundreds of undeclared nuclear weapons). AIPAC has successfully lobbied the U.S. government to adopt crippling economic sanctions on Iran, including trying to cut off Iran’s oil exports, despite the fact that these sanctions raise the price of gas and threaten the U.S. economy.

2. AIPAC promotes Israeli policies that are in direct opposition to international law. These include the establishment of colonies (settlements) in the Occupied West Bank and the confiscation of Palestinian land in its construction of the 26-foot high concrete “separation barrier” running through the West Bank. The support of these illegal practices makes to impossible to achieve a solution to the Israel/Palestine conflict.
3. AIPAC’s call for unconditional support for the Israeli government threatens our national security. The United States’ one-sided support of Israel, demanded by AIPAC, has significantly increased anti-American sentiment throughout the Middle East, thus endangering our troops and sowing the seeds of more possible terrorist attacks against us. Gen. David Petraeus on March 16, 2010 admitted that the U.S./Palestine conflict “foments anti-American sentiment, due to a perception of U.S. favoritism for Israel.” He also said that “Arab anger over the Palestinian question limits the strength and depth of U.S. partnerships with governments and peoples in the [region] and weakens the legitimacy of moderate regimes in the Arab world. Meanwhile, al-Qaeda and other militant groups exploit that anger to mobilize support.”

4. AIPAC undermines American support for democracy movements in the Arab world. AIPAC looks at the entire Arab world through the lens of Israeli government interests, not the democratic aspirations of the Arab people. It has therefore supported corrupt, repressive regimes that are friendly to the Israeli government, such as Egypt’s Hosni Mubarak. Events now unfolding in the Middle East should convince U.S. policy-makers of the need to break from AIPAC’s grip and instead support democratic forces in the Arab world.

5. AIPAC makes the U.S. a pariah at the UN. AIPAC describes the UN as a body hostile to the State of Israel and has pressured the U.S. government to oppose resolutions calling Israel to account. Since 1972, the US has vetoed 44 UN Security Council resolutions condemning Israel’s actions against the Palestinians. President Obama continues that policy. Under Obama, the US vetoed UN censure of the savage Israeli assault on Gaza in January 2009 in which about 1400 Palestinians were killed; a 2011 resolution calling for a halt to the illegal Israeli West Bank settlements even though this was stated U.S. policy; a 2011 resolution calling for Israel to cease obstructing the work of the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees; and another resolution calling for an end to illegal Israeli settlement building in East Jerusalem and the occupied Golan Heights.

6. AIPAC attacks politicians who question unconditional support of Israel. AIPAC demands that Congress to rubber stamp legislation drafted by AIPAC staff. It keeps a record of how members of Congress vote and this record is used by donors to make contributions to the politicians who score well. Members of Congress who fail to support AIPAC legislation have been targeted for defeat in re-election bids. These include Senators Adlai Stevenson III and Charles H. Percy, and Representatives Paul Findley, Pete McCloskey, Cynthia McKinney, and Earl F. Hilliard. AIPAC’s overwhelmingly disproportionate influence on Congress subverts our democratic system.

7. AIPAC attempts to silence all criticism of Israel by labeling critics as “anti-Semitic,” “de-legitimizers” or “self-hating Jews.” Journalists, think tanks, students and professors have been accused of anti-Semitism for merely taking stands critical of Israeli government policies. These attacks stifle the critical discussions and debates that are at the heart of democratic policy-making. The recent attacks on staffers at the Center for American Progress is but one example of AIPAC efforts to crush all dissent.

8. AIPAC feeds U.S. government officials a distorted view of the Israel/Palestine conflict. AIPAC takes U.S. representatives on sugar-coated trips to Israel. In 2011, AIPAC took one out of very five members of Congress—and many of their spouses—on a free junket to Israel to see precisely what the Israeli government wanted them to see. It is illegal for lobby groups to take Congresspeople on trips, but AIPAC gets around the law by creating a bogus educational group, AIEF, to “organize” the trips for them. AIEF has the same office address as AIPAC and the same staff. These trips help cement the ties between AIPAC and Congress, furthering their undue influence.

9. AIPAC lobbies for billions of U.S. taxdollars to go to Israel instead of rebuilding America. While our country is reeling from a prolonged financial crisis, AIPAC is pushing for no cuts in military funds for Israel, a wealthy nation. With communities across the nation slashing budgets for teachers, firefighters and police, AIPAC pushes for over $3 billion a year to Israel.

10. Money to Israel takes funds from world’s poor. Israel has the 24th largest economy in the world, but thanks to AIPAC, it gets more U.S. taxdollars than any other country. At a time when the foreign aid budget is being slashed, keeping the lion’s share of foreign assistance for Israel meaning taking funds from critical programs to feed, provide shelter and offer emergency assistance to the world’s poorest people.

The bottom line is that AIPAC, which is a de facto agent for a foreign government, has influence on U.S. policy out of all proportion to the number of Americans who support its policies. When a small group like this has disproportionate power, that hurts everyone—including Israelis and American Jews.

From stopping a catastrophic war with Iran to finally solving the Israel/Palestine conflict, an essential starting point is breaking AIPAC’s grip on U.S. policy.

Medea Benjamin is cofounder of www.codepink.org and www.globalexchange.org. She is one of the organizers of Occupy AIPAC, which will take place March 3-5 in Washington DC


 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Friday March 2, 2012, 7:39 am
March 2: Occupy AIPAC
Under the banner of Occupy AIPAC, this long weekend will include a policy summit with panels on Iran, the Arab uprisings, Palestine/Israel and AIPAC, film screenings, mass protests, a teach-in on diplomacy and alternatives to war, creative actions, a cultural night, workshops, and a Capitol Hill policy briefing on the impact of U.S. military aid to Israel on Palestinians.
http://www.occupyaipac.org/

 

Frank G. (209)
Friday March 2, 2012, 7:41 am
Thanks, Abdessalam. Here is the link:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30680.htm
 

Gary A L. (134)
Friday March 2, 2012, 9:30 am
thank you Abdessalam of course you will be attacked for speaking the truth but the truth is always true wether people like it or not
 

Michela m. (3940)
Friday March 2, 2012, 10:58 am
Thanks Frank G:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30680.htm
Noted!!
 

Henriette Matthijssen (145)
Friday March 2, 2012, 11:27 am
Thanks Abdessalam, AIPAC = Disaster. I will forward your article to my friends.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Friday March 2, 2012, 11:35 am
Thanks Michela and Frank or the link.Thanks Henriette for your effort and support.Highly appreciated.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Friday March 2, 2012, 11:38 am
Thank you Gary A L .The truth prevails at the end of the day.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Friday March 2, 2012, 12:08 pm
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Barbara because you have done so within the last week.
Of course I can.
 

Mary T. (186)
Friday March 2, 2012, 1:07 pm
Thanks Abdessalam, Noted.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Friday March 2, 2012, 1:21 pm
Abdessalam, are you sure AIPAC undermines democracy in US and not CAIR, Saudi Lobby and Iranian Lobby?

Obama sent Netaniyahu home right before dinner, but Obama bowed to Saudi King.

The number of mosques in US doubled since 9/11 and people hardly know about that.

Saudi lobby managed to have our Canadian oil pipeline to US canceled. US lost tens of thousands of jobs and was forced to rely on Saudi oil again, even at the price of highest Saudi influence.

Iranian Lobby delayed accepting any sanctions about nuke-hungry Iran until it's becoming too late.

Islamists lobby made Washington to support Sunni rebels who overturned ALL SECULAR Arab dictators and replaced them with Islamist dictators: Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, etc.

And then you still talk about AIPAC to divert public attention? Good for you.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Friday March 2, 2012, 1:32 pm
Dear Abdessalam,


Occupy AIPAC

Support diplomacy with Iran and justice for Palestinians at Occupy AIPAC Fri, Mar 2 - Tues, Mar 6.

See the full schedule of events

Register for the policy summit on Saturday


AIPAC's annual conference begins this weekend, with activists from across the country arriving in our nation's capitol to lobby Congress for unjust policies in the Middle East. The peace community's response? Occupy AIPAC!

From Friday, March 2, through Tuesday, March 6, in Washington, DC, CodePink has organized a multitude of activities under the banner of Occupy AIPAC, which has been endorsed by over 150 organizations. The events include a policy summit with panels on Iran, the Arab uprisings, Israel-Palestine and AIPAC, film screenings, mass protests, a teach-in on diplomacy and alternatives to war, creative actions, a cultural night, workshops, and a Capitol Hill policy briefing on the impact of U.S. military aid to Israel on Palestinians. Just Foreign Policy is a co-sponsor of the Occupy AIPAC Policy Summit, and our Policy Director, Robert Naiman, will be the moderator for the Iran panel.
The policy summit will also be streamed live online. Check our website in the next few days for more information and a link. We also have actions that you can do from anywhere scheduled for next week on the AIPAC lobbying days, so watch out for our email!

Thank you for all you do to help bring about a more just foreign policy,



 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Friday March 2, 2012, 1:54 pm
Bob A
1 - Yes I am sure.If you don't agree you can simply write to the author of the Article but before doing so I advise you to read the 10 reasons provided by the author and try to include your point regarding every reason.

2 - "The number of mosques in US doubled since 9/11 and people hardly know about that."
I usually don't talk about religions.I believe a religion is something between every individual and his God whoever HE is.However What I understand from this part of your comment is that there are more people in US joining Islam everyday specially after they have read credible resources about Islam after 9/11. If you have a private problem about this,this isn't my problem.

 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Friday March 2, 2012, 2:07 pm
And Bob
Tell Obama to get out of bed with AIPAC.

http://codepink.salsalab.com/o/424/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=6845
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Friday March 2, 2012, 2:13 pm
Sorry. It seems that the code pink link is incorrect.So go to codepink.org and read this

Tell Obama to get out of bed with AIPAC!

President Obama will address AIPAC at their 2012 annual policy conference, and will meet with Israeli PM Netanyahu. Outraged that Obama is pandering to AIPAC? Tell him what you think of the Israel Lobby and what’s really needed for a lasting just peace in the region!
Do you dare signing the petition Bob ?

 

(0)
Friday March 2, 2012, 2:38 pm
Reason Number 11 - AIPAC pressures the United States government to work against America's self interest. It is not promoting America's self interest, but Israel's. Thanks Abdessalem.
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Friday March 2, 2012, 8:32 pm
I watched a film of the speech given to AIPAC by the newly elected Obama. He said that his first priority as president would be the security of Israel. (His first priority as president would be the security of Israel, not the security of the United States). Thinking about that still gives me the chills.
 

Calle J. (70)
Friday March 2, 2012, 11:51 pm
Admiral Thomas Moorer, Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff under Ronald Reagan said this:

"I've never seen a President -- I don't care who he is -- stand up to them [the Israelis]. It just boggles the mind. They always get what they want. The Israelis know what is going on all the time. If the American people understood what a grip those people have got on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens certainly don't have any idea what goes on." (emphasis added)
 

Pat A. (117)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 3:08 am
Many thanks for this Abdessalam - I couldn't send you another green star this week - but I could and did send one to Barbara - excellent stuff!
 

Mary P. (157)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 3:16 am
Thanks Abdessalam for this article of Truth. I wish the people of America wake up and see
how much the Israeli Government is controlling America and its people. Aipac is
the Government of America; not Obama. He is just their puppet. I read his recent interview on the
Internet about iran, israel and obama. I felt sic!! He is such a 'sucker' up to the Israeli
Government; confirming how much he has bent backwards to accomodate the
Israeli government, its foreign policies and its wants. Even admitting that although they have
their differences, america will always be their Best ALLY in the world always
Putting the security of israel FIRST, even before its OWN american people. Its a never ending friendship which he seems to NEED to
Cherish forever!! How hypocritical is that?? With all israel's crimes
Against humanity, America still wants to be its best buddy overlooking
Every crime and atrocity against fellow human beings while fiercely
Opposing and sanctioning Leaders of other Arab countries who are defending
Their country against foreign interferance and terrorists attacks. America
even helps arm the terrorist rebels in some arab countries to fight its governments.
Israel with its own rogue nukes supplied by America goes to america to 'Stop'
Nuclear Development in neighbouring countried!! How conniving is that? Power hungry
Israel; wanting to be the ONLY nuclear power( illegally obtained, and the
World keeps SILENT) in the region!!
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 5:09 am
Congratulations! The Care2 Community has promoted your submission to
the Care2 News Network Front Page.


News: AIPAC Undermines Democracy at Home and in the Middle East


In recognition for this outstanding achievement, you've
also been awarded a "Golden Note".

Thanks to all who noted,commented and shared this story.Without their courage,this story wouldn't have been promoted.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 5:15 am
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Calle because you have done so within the last week.
Still can say Thanks Calle.A gold star for your courageous contribution.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 5:19 am
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Margaret because you have done so within the last week.

As said before I still can say thanks Margaret. You are one in a million.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 5:27 am
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Bee because you have done so within the last week.

Yes ..... As I said on an other submission about PR chances to win " This is not election's year. It is an auction where Presidential nominees show respect and blind protection to the Middle East Zionist entity and give promises to help hiding the crimes of Israel against humanity.USA interests comes later.It doesn't matter how many American soldiers might be dead for the sake of Israel.When America get rid of Zionism and cleans the house it might be able to vote for someone like PR."
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 5:28 am
Thanks Bee for your courage.A great comment.
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 5:50 am
Congratulations, Abdessalam, wise friend, for your "golden nugget". The truth in this article is going to reach more people, many more people. You know that I cannot send you a green star right now, expect one in a few days.
 

monka blank (74)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 10:05 am
Thanks Abdessalam for the post. The truth must be known, and as Bee Hive said, it will reach more and many more people !!
 

monka blank (74)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 10:14 am
If I be called an "anti-semite", because I oppose Aipac and Zionists, so be it. In this sense I'm a true "anti-semite", and proud of it. I hope that more people will come forward, knowing the truth about Aipac!
 

Robert O. (12)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 11:25 am
Thanks Abdessalam. Good post.
 

Bill Eagle (32)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 1:11 pm
AIPAC packs a lot of political clout. It takes a lot of guts to oppose them.
 

Samuel Kellett (0)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 1:42 pm
Just goes to prove that ALL Governments are just a SHOW! The REAL Powers that be are EVIL!
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 2:07 pm
Obama truly loathes Netanyahu too, as he admitted to Sarkozy. The power of the Zionist lobby is immense. But the cracks in the edifice are appearing.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 3:34 pm
And the loathsome Aipac suppoorts excesses such as those detailed in the link:--

http://www.scribd.com/doc/83589131/Israel-s-Serious-Breaches-of-its-Obligations-under-the-International-Convention-for-the-Elimination-of-Racial-Discrimination
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 6:33 pm
WHOEVER WROTE THIS CRAP SHOULD BE ASHAMED....IF THEY EVER HAD ANY SHAME. IT IS SO BLATANTLY ANTI SEMETIC THAT NO-ONE SHOULD GIVE IT CREDENCE - BUT INSTEAD ENDEAVOUR TO FIND OUT THE TRUTH FOR THEMSELVES. IF YOU LISTEN TO OR READ SHITE LIKE THIS - YOU MUST BE TOUTING THE MUSLIM CROWN- AND YOU REALLY NEED TO GET A LIFE INSTEAD OF ADDING TO THE ALREADY SCURRILOUS REMARKS THAT YOU MUSLIM LOVERS ARE SO FOND OF SPOUTING. READ ANY GOOD 'QU'EERANS' LATELY? BE'AHAVAT YISRAEL - SHABBAT SHALOM.
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 6:45 pm
Patricia and Edward, there is nothing anti semetic about me wondering and worrying that the president of my country puts the security of Israel above the security of my country in his own words. Your tarring every comment here as anti semetic is the crap as well as your impolite all upper case shouting. You have made your own comment scurrilous because it is a blatant lie and you have so rudely presented it.
 

anne barusta (0)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 7:04 pm
Bob A
the cancellation of the Canada/US pipeline has nothing to do with Saudi lobbying, how did you manage to come up with that ??
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 7:15 pm
Anne B., bravo for calling Bob A. on that outlandish statement. Green star to you.
 

Ellyn S. (45)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 7:36 pm
Here is a segment on Zionism from a Message from Matthew, dated March 1, 2012:

http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=146&z=2

11. One of the truths to come forth is that Zionism, which by dark intent has been made synonymous with Judaism, actually is a bellicose political movement within the Illuminati, and its aim for more than six decades has been to create conflict and instability in the entire Middle East. Zionists, who have wielded powerful influence within and behind major governments and their military forces, do NOT represent the Jewish peoples in Israel or anywhere else. And, like all other Illuminati factions, they have been committed to that cabal’s goal of global domination.

12. Although Semites are of diverse national origins and religions, the Zionists have been successful in convincing many that “anti-Semitic” is exclusively prejudice against the Jewish peoples and opposition to Israel’s right to defend itself from its “enemies.” By means of that blatant distortion, they obtained not only world sympathy, but also massive defense funding from Israel’s allies, most especially the United States, all of which served to increase the Illuminati’s vast profits from their industrial-military machine.
 

Calle J. (70)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 10:37 pm

patrica and edw jones
3 quick questions:

1. Caps lock problem?
2. Do YOU know what Semites are?

Here's a definition from a free online encyclopedia, everyone can read
"...The Semitic-speaking peoples include the Arabs, the Maltese, the descendants of the ancient representatives of the southern subgroup of South Semites in southern Arabia (the Mahri, Shihri, inhabitants of Socotra, and others), the Amhara and Tigre peoples of Ethiopia, the Israelis, and the Syriac-speaking Syrians...."

3. You say:
"...BLATANTLY ANTI SEMETIC..."
(Can you tell us what "SEMETIC" means?
A new creation of joint-together letters?
 

(0)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 10:56 pm
Patricia/Edw Jones:

As always there you go with the hysterical overcapitalization so you think that you are emphatic. Rather than just writing something a first grader could come up with, why don't you actually refute what you find is erroneous? Would that be too difficult to do that? To actually argue your point would actually mean you would have to THINK, READ and FORM YOUR OWN OPINIONS, rather than parrot what your friends say.

I really would like you to take one of these points made above and actually demonstrate that it is "CRAP" as you so eloquently put it. I am shocked, I do say shocked, that you have actually lapsed momentarily from Victorianspeak.

It also has become evident that not only are you a) Islamophobic b) racist - demonstrated from your woodpile comment from way back - Palestine, Our Story on Sunday November 28, 2010, 5:41 pm and now c) the 'QU'EERANS' which is clearly homophobic. It makes me wonder, is there anything you are not discriminatory towards? Even Edw seems to be always at the back of the bus and doesn't even get his full name spelled out, only yours.
 

(0)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 10:58 pm
I also want to note, in the two years I have been on Care2, I have not once seen Patricia/Edw Jones post even one fact or even one piece of propaganda, nothing aside from here overcapitalized rant which always reminds me of the Victorian battle axes who always need smelling salts as they suffered from the "vapours". What a ridiculous woman you are Patricia/Edw Jones.
 

Rob and Jay B. (121)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 11:47 pm
It's interesting that if this 'opinion' piece were about the disastrous influence of the Muslim Brotherhood and its front orgs like ISNA & CAIR (all paid for by billions from Saudi Arabia, one of the most oppressive theocratic dictatorships on earth with tentacles reaching to the White House where Obama has 3 MB 'advisers', Congress, big business and media ownership) on US foreign policy (like pushing to topple Iran and Syria, all enemies of the Saudi's Sunni vision of world domination), this then would be condemned by all of you Israel haters as a 'hate site'. You would condemn it for its bigotry and 'racism', not to mention it is just an 'opinion'.

What a joke. We can use your tactics too and call this Israelaphobia, racism, antisemitism, hatemongering, bigotry. Did we leave any out of the Islamist catalogue of obfuscation? Of course, we've changed them to fit the bigotry of this crowd.

You preach the Muslim Brotherhood line so well Brother Abdessalem, and pretend not to be an ardent Islamist Muslim (unlike your lacky, Mary P, from the Islamic Propaganda Centre in Durban). Are you using Islam's long accepted form of lying to promote it and advance it's conquest by deceit with Taqiyya, Kitman or Tawriya? Sometimes it is hard to tell the difference between them, but you would know, having honed it to such a fine art after 1400 years if Islamist lies and deceit.

BTW the Muslim Brotherhood/CAIR/ISNA myth of Islam being the fastest growing religion, other than by the obscenely high birth rate, is repudiated by facts. Contrary to the bloated figures provided by CAIR, and even the President of the United States, and in spite of the massive influx of Muslim immigrants in the US(60% of all), a Pew survey carried-out in October, 2009 found the estimate for the total Muslim population of the U.S to be at only 2.454 million. Percentage-wise, Islam represents a minuscule 0.8 percent of the United States religious make-up. About a third of what had previously been claimed and widely accepted by many apologists and media outlets.

And according to the 2011 Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life any growth in Islam worldwide is due to "their relatively high birth rate, the large number of Muslims of childbearing age, and an increase in life expectancy in Muslim-majority countries...Islam loses as many adherents via conversion as it gains." How many more would it lose if Muslims weren't commanded to kill those who left it? There could be a bleed-out.

If Muslim countries allowed the truth of Islam to be told and people had freedom of religion, conscience and speech Islam would have died out long ago. Why do you think they are so afraid to allow anyone to criticize or question it, or even tell the truth about Mohammed and his debauched, pedophilic, mass murdering life.

According to research carried out by the respected Pakistani-born USAmerican Muslim Dr. Ilyas Ba-Yunus (1932 - 2007), 75% of new Muslim Converts in the US leave Islam within a few years once they find out what it really teaches.
 

SuSanne P. (182)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 11:58 pm
TY Abdessalam. Congratulations for making front page news and I apologize for being so late to acknowledge this terrifying problem
 

Stan B. (124)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 12:01 am
Can't understand the point of this thread though Abdessalam does have a history of posting rubbish, usually from very dubious sources. The reality is that the USA and Israel have what is probably the closest relationship of any nations on the planet.
AIPAC serves to promote this relationship and doess a very good job.
Here's what the US President had to say about this special relationship.

'Sacrosanct'
President Barack Obama on Thursday, February 1, called U.S. support for Israel “sacrosanct,” and said he wanted the country to maintain its “military superiority” as he prepares to meet with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Agence France-Presse reported. The two leaders are expected to make discussions about Iran’s nuclear development program a priority during their planned meeting Monday at the White House. Obama spoke Thursday at an event in New York, where he discussed geopolitical changes created by popular uprisings in the Arab world. “One of our long-term goals in that region is to make sure that the sacrosanct commitment that we make to Israel’s security is not only a matter of providing them the military capabilities they need, not only providing the sort of qualitative military edge that they need in a very tough neighborhood,” Obama said. The United States also should cooperate with Israel “to try to bring about a peace in the region that can be lasting,” Obama said. “And that is a challenge.”
So if you don't like it folks you can go whistle Dixie.

Surprised to see John D on any Care 2 thread. Your good friend Bashar the Butcher has slaughtered another 700 civilians in Homs over the past few days.What's the latest score of dead Syrians: 8000, 9000,10000? It's evident that not one of the Israel haters on this thread give a rat's ass for dead Syrians but that's only to be expected.
What an absolute bunch of hypocrites you are!!!!!
Ellyn S. Your post is so pathetic it doesn't even warrant a reply.If you don't understand the real meaning of anti-semitism you shouldn't be allowed access to a computer or be allowed out on your own.
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 12:14 am
Stan B ., please explain what Ellyn B. does not understand. Clearly it something of vast importance to you.

Thank you for proving my cause for worry. The president of the United States does give the security of Israel a higher priority than he gives the security of the United States.
 

Rob and Jay B. (121)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 12:28 am
Here's the true determiner of US/western foreign policy, and has been for decades (just note who are their enemies and you'll see who the US/NATO go after next - Iran and Syria are at the top of the Saudi's list now):

"I summon my blue-eyed slaves anytime it pleases me. I command the Americans to send me their bravest soldiers to die for me. Anytime I clap my hands, a stupid genie called the American ambassador appears to do my bidding. When the Americans die in my service their bodies are frozen in metal boxes by the US Embassy and American airplanes carry them away, as if they never existed. Truly, America is my favorite slave."
King Fahd bin Abdul-Aziz, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
 

Stan B. (124)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 12:31 am
Here are some of AIPAC's most notable achievements. I'm sure many of you will be very proud of them.


Keeping America and Israel Secure
Working with Congress to ensure that Israel is able to defend itself. The Jewish state needs more than $3 billion in critical security assistance to remain capable of facing increased threats posed by terrorist groups and those sworn to its--and America's--destruction.

Sanctioning Iran
Achieving passage of more than a dozen bills and resolutions imposing tough sanctions on Iran during the past 15 years. As the Islamic Republic continues to be the world's leading sponsor of terrorism--including insurgents fighting U.S. troops in Afghanistan and Iraq--and develop a nuclear weapon, America must exert economic pressure on the regime and slow its pursuit of a nuclear weapons capability.


Working Together to Achieve Peace
Supporting America’s efforts to help Israel achieve peace with its neighbors. Real peace with all its neighbors has eluded the Jewish state for more than 60 years, but the two times it's Arab neighbors have been willing to talk were through direct negotiations supported by the United States. We supported these, and all efforts to achieve peace through direct talks.


Defending Citizens From Terrorist's Missiles
Enhancing U.S.-Israel defense cooperation through securing hundreds of millions of dollars each year for key U.S.-Israel defense programs, including the Arrow missile defense system and Iron Dome rocket defense system.


Ensuring Israel's Right to Self-Defense
The delegitimization of Israel and its right to self-defense is constantly in question. Congressional resolutions, letters and statements of support for Israel’s defensive actions in the face of terrorism by groups such as Hamas and Hizballah has helped send a strong message to the Jewish state's adversaries.

Securing Our Homeland
Increasing U.S.-Israel Homeland Security cooperation by passing landmark legislation creating an office within the Department of Homeland Security to support joint research and development projects between the United States and key allies, such as Israel.


 

Stan B. (124)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 12:37 am
Bee Hive. If you don't too don't understand the univerally accepted definition of anti-semitism you need to do some research. Check a few Nazi hate sites or have a word with Henriette who is a promoter of David Duke's policies. Just don't be so naive!
 

Phyllis Baxter (40)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 12:37 am
The Arab countries are a complete shambles due to over population , lack of education, jobs and food- all fuelled by a retrograde religion that also encompasses politics and every aspect of human life. Don't fall for it folks- church and state don't mix.
 

. (0)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 12:37 am
I see that Israel is an important ally, but they can't get away with all the harm they have caused the Palestinians. If anyone else was doing the same thing, there would be sanctions and military action against them.

I also agree with those against the influence that Saudi Arabia has over us. They are an incredibly repressive regime that we never stand up to. We also have to ensure that Syria no longer attacks its people. I don't think any country should be allowed to reuse rights or attack its own people or those under its control.
 

Stan B. (124)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 12:49 am
Hugh. How would you say that Israel's policies compared to those of the Syrian regime which has slaughtered around 10000 of its own people?
Or compared to that of Egypt whose economy is in tatters and which is heading for a military dictatorship? Then of course we have Libya where human rights violations are rife. They couldn't even wait to give Gaddafi a fair trial.
These are just some of the reasons the US and Israel, through organisations such as AIPAC, share such a strong realationship because basic human freedoms, denied to most Arabs, are sacrosant.

 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 12:49 am
Stan B., are you incapable of a simple answer to a simple question? All the internet research in the world will not give me your definition.
 

Stan B. (124)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 1:11 am
Bee Hive. I'm not too sure if you're playing with a full deck. Here. especially for you, is a comprehensive definition of anti-semitism from Wikipedia. If there are any long words you don't understand just ask and I'll be pleased to explain them for you.

Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is suspicion of, hatred toward, or discrimination against Jews for reasons connected to their Jewish heritage. In a 2005 U.S. governmental report, antisemitism is defined as "hatred toward Jews—individually and as a group—that can be attributed to the Jewish religion and/or ethnicity."[1] A person who holds such views is called an "antisemite". Antisemitism may be manifested in many ways, ranging from expressions of hatred of or discrimination against individual Jews to organized violent attacks by mobs, or even state police, or military attacks on entire Jewish communities. Extreme instances of persecution include the pogroms which preceded the First Crusade in 1096, the expulsion from England in 1290, the massacres of Spanish Jews in 1391, the persecutions of the Spanish Inquisition, the expulsion from Spain in 1492, the expulsion from Portugal in 1497, various Russian pogroms, the Dreyfus Affair, and the Final Solution by Hitler's Germany and official Soviet anti-Jewish policies.
Now that wasn't too hard for you was it?

 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 1:27 am
Stan, trying to get you to answer a simple question is so hard. Perhaps, if is thee who is not playing with a full deck. I could find the Wikipedia definition on my own but I do not want that definition. Because I am very interesting in understanding your comments, I am asking for YOUR definition.
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 1:30 am
please substitute *interested" in above comment. See Stan, how much you distress me.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 3:25 am
Thanks Stan and Jay and Bob A - for your excellent comments AND COMMONSENSE.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 3:43 am
From Muzzlewatch:--



AIPAC Bars Me From Media Access to Their Conference

This is a guest post by Souciant Magazine and Inter Press Service writer Mitchell Plitnick, formerly with Jewish Voice for Peace and B’Tselem:

It’s a little hard to imagine. The self-proclaimed “most influential foreign policy lobbying organization on Capitol Hill,” an admittedly deserved sobriquet, is apparently afraid of what little old me might say about their conference.

It’s hard to interpret what has happened in any other way, after my approved media credentials for AIPAC’s annual policy conference were rescinded without explanation just a few days before the event.

I applied for media access to the conference back in January. Soon after, I received an email from AIPAC’s then-media relations officer, Ari Goldberg, confirming acceptance of my application to attend as a reporter.

I am hardly unknown in this arena, and a quick search on Google would certainly have revealed that I was a progressive blogger, but also that I had written numerous pieces of straight journalism for Inter Press Service, the agency for which I will still be reporting on the conference.

So, it was no surprise that AIPAC credentialed me. Just as a major event at, say, the Center for American Progress (a think tank with unabashed ties to the Democratic Party) would not think twice about credentialing someone from FOX News, it is standard practice that such large organizations credential a wide range of media.

More surprising was the revocation of those credentials with just a few days to go before the conference.

With the conference slated to start on Sunday, I got a curt note on Wednesday, simply stating: “Thank you for your interest in attending this year’s AIPAC Policy Conference as a member of the press. However, press credentials for the conference will not be issued to you. We regret any inconvenience this may have caused.”

It came from someone named Sarah Coopersmith at Scott Circle Communications, a firm AIPAC contracted with to handle the press logistics. The email wasn’t even signed.

Inquiries to both Coopersmith and AIPAC’s new press officer, Adam Harris brought no response. Ari Goldberg, despite having left AIPAC, did respond to me, expressing surprise and the hope that this was just a mistake.

To say this is highly unusual behavior would be an understatement. And I wasn’t the only one this happened to.

Philip Weiss of Mondoweiss, who had been credentialed the past three years without incident, and Adele Stan, the Washington Bureau Chief at AlterNet were also rejected without explanation. As I understand it, Phil and Adele were rejected outright. In my case, I was given media access and then had it revoked.

The combination was enough to get the attention of Ron Kampeas of the Jewish Telegraphic Agency. Ron has been in the DC scene writing about the politics here around Israel for years. He knows just how unusual this is. As he wrote, “Barring coverage in Washington is rare; Government institutions in Washington are known for accommodating a broad range of journalists, including those adamantly hostile to the government of the day.”

Apparently, as well, Chris McGreal of the Guardian (UK) was also summarily excluded, but after Ron’s piece came out in the JTA, AIPAC reinstated him, saying it was an oversight. Maybe it had nothing to do with trying to prevent the story from getting much bigger by excluding such a large international news source. Maybe it had everything to do with it, and Ron’s story made AIPAC nervous. I’ll let you make that call.

Kampeas, who has known me personally for several years, described me in JTA this way: “… a liberal blogger who has sparred with right-wing pro-Israel groups as well as anti-Zionists, and who was going to provide coverage for Inter Press Service, which emphasizes developing nations coverage as well as what it calls marginalized groups.”

Sounds like someone critical of AIPAC, but hardly like someone who would frighten them so much they would revoke credentials already given.

Now, I certainly have been very critical of AIPAC and the so-called “Israel Lobby.” But I have also engaged in public debates, including one appearance just after his book came out with Stephen Walt (who, in spirit of full disclosure, knows I disagree with parts of his thesis and nevertheless has developed a personal and professional relationship with me that has, at least from my end, been amazingly rewarding), when I believe the influence of that very powerful lobby is exaggerated.

Put simply, I’ve always called it like I saw it, both when that has gotten me some positive exposure and when it brought me into conflict, sometimes even with people in organizations I was working for.

No doubt, my professional experience as Co-Director of Jewish Voice for Peace and Director of the US Office of B’Tselemdoes not strike the folks at AIPAC well. Yet, I have, on more than one occasion, had very civil conversations with AIPAC staff members and officials.

It sure looks to me like AIPAC changed the way it deals with the press when Ari Goldberg left and Adam Harris replaced him. Perhaps reflecting a sense that, while the polls show no change in US citizens’ view of the Israel-Palestine conflict, the public discourse has been slowly shifting these past few years. It seems that the new regime at AIPAC is trying to manage the news with a much heavier hand as a result.

I’ll still be reporting on the conference, and I’ll still be doing it for Inter Press. What I won’t be able to do is give as full a picture as I could have of the feeling in the room, the people in attendance, the pulse of the crowd, the nuance and diversity there.

If I’m so threatening to AIPAC as a reporter, it’s hard to see how setting those limits on what I will have access to write about serves their purpose.

This conference is likely to be focused very strongly on the push for increased aggression towards Iran. Maybe they feel their case is so weak that they have to resort to such heavy-handed tactics.

Again, I’ll leave that for you to decide.
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 4:45 am
Patricia and Edward, you do not need to yell any part of your comment. I wonder how you would define commonsense. I am not asking, especially since Stan B. refuses to share his personal definition of
anti-Semitism.

it seems that you and Stan have a natural talent for shouting people down and belittling them bonded to a inability or refusal to participate in common courtesy communication.

Your presence on this thread adds nothing of worth because of your attitude to the other contributors.
 

Joy Wong (75)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 5:21 am
Noted, thanks for sharing.
 

Tinkie K. (71)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 5:40 am
AIPAC is a truly evil entity. Of course they do not represent the Jewish majority - they only represent themselves, billionaire Jewish people - and they only 'use' their fellow Jewish people, not belonging to the Club, as pawns. Sometimes it's good, and sometimes, when necessary according to AIPAC, they arrange our extermination.

No politician or any person can do anything, if it's not in 'consent' with AIPAC. They are ruthless and cruel.

They worship Mamon and Mamon only - the ancient deity who represents wealth and materialism. It costs them their soul.
 

Tinkie K. (71)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 5:46 am
There is such misconception and deception regarding Syria and Israel.

Let me just spell it out - it's called coaxing, mind control and swindel.

In Israel the population is swindled by the leadership. Imagine that Holocaust survivors have been 'tricked' out of their money. Most committed suicide which is never shown publicly. They die bitter and lonely.
 

Tinkie K. (71)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 5:58 am
Continueing my rant....
The survivors have funds in banks - these banks are waiting for them to die (the Holocaust survivors are old).
In addition, since they got rid of health care, one in four Israelis do not receive treatment because they can't afford it. 20 years ago we had the best healthcare ever. The 'Club' destroyed the Israeli society. They gutted it.
Most people living in Israel will tell you that it's become an unliveable place but they would still die for it. Believe me, the propaganda machine is very clever and very manipulative.

On Syria - Assad wasn't that bad for his people, and nobody pauses to wonder how Syria suddenly fell into civil war. It happened because it was instigated by Israel. Our government sent lots of money and arms to cause a civil war. And talk about hipocracy - now Israel is offering to 'help stop the violence'.

What about Europe? The economic crisis is a hoax and it's there only to lower the standard of living - for all Europeans. Check out Greece and what happened there. Minimum wage was slashed by 22%, and then I real in the Israeli newspapers that the Israeli ministry of foreign relations is planning on exporting the Israeli economic model.

Wow, that is the pinnacle of injustice. A huge mob fighting to survive and a few billionaires who own everything. A typical theocracy.

All of this has nothing to do with anti semitism. If one goes against 'The Club' and is Jewish, they are automatically 'self haters' and if someone is not Jewish then they are anti semites.

That's another clever way of getting consent.

We got to stick together against these evil guys - no matter if you are Jewish or not. Their policy of 'divide and rule' works wonders. On the other hand, they accept everybody as long as you are a 'fellow billionair'.

After all, Netanyahu and Mubarak were great friends and hosted each other at their private luxery holiday resorts.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 6:26 am
WOW.I can see most of the members of "The Zionist Philharmonic Orchestra " here.
I will advise them to read the comments of my Israeli Care2 friend Tinkie. To her I am sending a green star.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 6:35 am
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Tinkie because you have done so within the last week.
Sorry my friend.Please accept a gold star from me instead.Thanks for your courage.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 6:49 am
"I can see most of the members of "The Zionist Philharmonic Orchestra " here"

And what a cacophonous, dissonant and ugly sound that orchestra makes!
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 8:21 am
This is a thread about AIPAC and its negative impact on democracy in USA and the Middle East as seen by the Article's writer.I had to say this because I notice that "the Orchestra" lost directions and thus talking,running,thinking,talking,writing,accusing honest comments of anti semitic and pro muslims....etc.TO THEM I would say:
1 - This post has nothing to do with any religion at all.
2 - The struggle in the Middle East is not in fact between Jews and Muslims . It is political in the first place.
3 - I am Muslim and proud but I am also,as a Muslim,against all kinds of discrimination between people because of their religions,color,ethnic groups,language ....etc.I am also sure that MARY P.adopts the same belief which is a part of the Islamic faith.
4 - I usually don't talk about religions.I believe a religion is something between every individual and his God whoever HE is.
5 - I am not a member of Muslim brotherhood group or its political party (FJP).I respect their view although I criticise them.
6 - I believe that the Syrian president is a dictator and ONLY Syrians have to decide his future without any foreign interference even under allegations to help this or that side.USA,Europe and Israel in the first place want to destabilize Syria for several reasons among which is the planned war against Iran and keeping the Golan heights occupied by Israel together with Palestinian occupied territories.
7 - All other comments from the members of the Zionist Philharmonic Orchestra is just shit.They are running between Islam,Saudi Arabia,the conversion to Islam with their natural talent for shouting people down as they are unable to challenge the Article subjectively.

8 - FINALLY I am sorry I had to say all this although it has nothing to do with this thread but I had to say it may be the members of the orchestra will feel ashamed.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 8:30 am
Israel is rapidly becoming a state in which normal people just may not want to live.

In his monumental opus on the Crusades, the late British historian Steven Runciman maintained that the Crusader state did not collapse because of its military defeat, but because too many of its inhabitants just packed up and went back to Europe. Though many of them belonged to the 4th and even 8th generation of crusaders, the Crusader state had lost its attraction for them. The state of perpetual war and inner stagnation drove them out. The state collapsed when many more went away than came to join.

The Crusaders felt a stronger sense of belonging to Christendom than to the local Kingdom of Jerusalem. Today, many Israelis feel themselves first of all as Jews, belonging to a world-wide people, and only in second place Israelis.

That makes emigration easier.

A state without democracy, without equality, condemned by itself to an endless war, dominated by religious fanatics, with the gap between the abject poor and a handful of immensely rich growing from year to year – such a state will look less and less attractive to bright young people, who can easily find a better life elsewhere, while retaining their Jewish identity.

That, too, is a kind of national suicide.

In the Jewish religion, suicide is a sin. It would be ironic if future historians were to conclude that the “Jewish State” committed suicide.

Uri Avnery is an Israeli peace activist and a former Knesset member. He is the founder of Gush Shalom. http://zope.gush-shalom.org



 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 8:34 am
Hay members of the noisy philharmonic Orchestra

Is Uri Avnery also anti Semitic or you are going to say that he is a self hater ?
 

monka blank (74)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 9:07 am
Freedom of speech can't be only based on emotions, it's better to reason (thinking), and the use of facts. It's quite possible that not everybody shares the same thoughts about these facts, but some of the facts are historicly correct (= really happened). If you express your freedom of speech in a way like this, we can learn from each other. Maybe there's more than one way to the truth. P.S. Insulting one another doesn't lead us anywhere.
Abdessalam is right, this post has nothing to do with any religion at all.....but with AIPAC.
 

Vlasta M. (7)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 9:20 am
Whatever happens to Israel will happen to the Western civilization. Islamic teachings are the ROOT Cause of terrorism, as anybody who had read Koran, Hadith and the bloody history of Islam and Mohamed KNOWS. Israel IS the ONLY TRUE democracy in the Middle East where Muslim majority countries are ruled by liars, murderers of their opponents and thieves of money from their people, just as Nazi criminal Amin al Husseyni, Mufti of Jerusalem was.the role model for Osama bin Ladin, Arafat, Ahmedinijad, Saddam Hussein, Abbas and other Muslim dictators and terrorists. He spend WWII in Berlin egging Hitler on to hurry up extermination of Jews in Europe and come to Palestine.

Read Koran, Hadith and learn about history of Islam and Muhamed who was an illiterate pedophilie polygamist before you defame AIPAC as you have been defaming Israel at UN, where Muslim countries who refused to sign the Universal Declaration of Human Rights spread lies about this ONLLY democracy in the Middle East wehre rights of all its citizens are protected. Why do you think taht Supreme Bahai'i Council is located in Haifa Israel and not in Iran, where the prophet Baha-ulla comes from? Because Israel protects ALL religiongs, while Islam demands apartheid (dhimnitude), and promotes misogyny, pedophilia, polygamy, slavery and murder for Allahu Akbar. Anybody who respects human rights should join AIPAC in defending Israel. What happens to Israel will happen to the Western civilization which is under attack by the Islamists, who base their terrorist assaults, based on Koranic and Hadith teachings.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 9:45 am
Abdessalam,

The piece of Islamist propaganda from clearinghouse.com is usual bunch of lies and distortions.

1. Iran is ruled by crazy and fanatical people. Whatever danger to the world they present now, it's nothing comparing to the time when they have nukes. For the world safety, it is safer to stop them now.

2. Bombing of civilians using suicidal terrorists is against international law, and security barrier built by Israel at a great expense protects these civilians. There was no fence before Hamas and Arafat started using this method of bombing. Jewish villages on Israeli land have no less rights than Arab villages, especially when Arab villages are built on stolen lands.

3.4 Obama's ineffectiveness and obedience in the face of Saudi and Qatari lobbies resulted in replacing Arab secular dictators with Islamists, endangering US interests in the Middle East. Recent US humiliation by Egypt, forcing US to pay ransom to kidnapped Americans who traveled to Egypt to help Egyptians to create democracy is the best example. Now Egypt is hostile to US and West.

5. Arab League and Islamic block are abusing the system, where one ethnic group - Arabs - got 22 votes and is about to get another one. This creates a huge imbalance and converts UN into Islamic protectorate;

6. Islamist campaigning against people protesting Islamization of America goes unpunished. Politicians and authors, journalists and TV hosts surrender to Islamist lobby because they cannot afford expensive litigation, while Islamists are paid for by Saudis and Qatari money;

7. Arab boycott of Israel under different colors is orchestrated on many student campuses, where young people do not have enough information to detect lies spread by professional propagandists.

8. Arab lobby committed the largest fraud of UN Charity system - UNWRA. Now children born in Gaza where no Jews are present get title of "refugee" and allowance from UN. Arab Leagus countries contribute 1/10th of a penny for evey dollar paid by Western taxpayers.

9. $3 billion a year to Israel comes to offset 2Billion given to Egypt, 1.5Billion given to Arabs in Palestine and Gaza, 1Billion given to Jordan and who knows how many billions paid to Pakistanis, before their protection of Bin Laden became known. These billions given to Islamic countries may result in being trasferred to forces directly fighting US army;

10. Arab countries get much more financial assistance from US, even though their brothers in Saudi Arabia and Qatar could easily pay the bills with just a smirk at the current gas prices. Instead, they don't and let US and West take care of their less fortunate brothers.

That's why I am concerned about Islamist lobby in US much more, than AIPAC.

 

Past Member (0)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 9:47 am
And, right on cue, after Abdessalam's dignified series of posts and Monika's sensible contribution, we get the bubbling cauldron of hatred and despair, Vlasta.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 9:51 am
And the reason #11:

11. Saudi lobby executed a great campaign against Canadian oil pipeline, which would remove US dependency on Saudi oil. Obama cancelled the pipeline, even though America lost tens of thousands of jobs, relations with Canada are damaged and Obama will continue to depend on Saudis and listen to what they tell him to do.

 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 10:05 am
Oh Bob A.

"The Keystone XL pipeline would have transported toxic tar sands from under Canada’s Boreal forest 2,000 miles to the Gulf of Mexico to be refined and exported."

http://www.nrdc.org/energy/keystone-pipeline/?gclid=CO7-qOHoza4CFasERQodMVgA-w

"to be refined and exported" The oil to be carried by the pipeline was never intended for the US domestic market. It is easy to prove that everyone of your numbered statements is a lie.

Why does your little group insult the rest of us with lies and histrionic tirades?
 

(0)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 10:32 am
Rob/Jay - This thread isn't about Saudi Arabia though now is it? This thread is about AIPAC and it seems your whole defense is about everything BUT the topic at hand. If you disagree with the article posted, why aren't you arguing agains the points raised in the article? Are you incapable of effectively debating your point of view WITHOUT throwing about 40 different issues, ALL HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH AIPAC into the mix. Definite Red Herring argument. It doesn't fly and isn't effective.

You then come up with the DEAD Saudi King's quote. Again, what does this have to do with AIPAC. You claim that they are doing a good job? Saudi Arabia and the US are allies. You seem to make this leap that people who criticize Israel's actions in regard to PALESTINIAN people (NOT SAUDI, PALESTINIAN) are fond of or supportive of the Saudi Arabia model of governence. This seems to be your favorite argument, because Saudi Arabia are in with the US thick as thieves, all Muslim people (most of those who are also oppressed under authoritative regimes) are representative of their dictator?

Stan - It seems anything posted against your ideology is considered rubbish. Thus the majority written on the conflict, aside from Jihadwatch, Palwatch, NGO Monitor and Atlas Shrugged are all rubbish to you. All of those articles written in top tier, pier reviewed journals also much be rubbish, much of what is written in credible, not your usual hate sites . I guess we all waste a whole lot of money on education, as most said there, which also opposes your ideology is also rubbish.

The wonderful job, as you put it, that AIPAC does, not only harms the US, but also harms the security of the citizens of Israel. To use the US as the example is ridiculous. The US is not a honest broker, nor is the US's own foreign policy something to write home about. Between the US and Israel, they are the globla threat to any type of comprehensive peace. To actually bring someone who is not on the thread into the conversation cheap, but childish. Contrary to popular belief, people do have lives outside of Care2 and have committments to keep.

Stan's points of what AIPAC has done.

Keeping America and Israel Secure - America's blind eye to Israel's aggression and unwavering supporting for Israel has inflamed the region. This policy creates enemies which the US does not need.

Sanctioning Iran - Well the problem with sanctions are that the people at the bottom of the totem pole bear the brunt of economic sanctions and boycott. In a country where people are governed by a dictator, do you really think that he cares about the people at the bottom? Considering Iran hasn't attacked anyone in centuries, the question of enriching uranium for nuclear capability is not a certainty and the volume of threats against Iran by both the US and Israel (including actions such as killing of scientists), is it wise to invoke a response for Iran? I see a considerable amount of aggression emitting from the US and Israel. You seem to expect more out of Iran than you do from the countries who claim to be these democratic jewels.

Working together to achieve peace - When has Israel ever willingly attempted to achieve peace? When has Israel been the party to initiate peace talks? When has Israel worked with the US on anything? They do what the want and the US gives a wink or a complete blind eye. On occassion, Hillary steps out front and makes a statement saying "we are disappointed". WOW! There is no working together and Israel is not looking for peace as has been demonstrated over decades.

Ensuring Israel's Right of Self-Defense - This is more like giving Israel and the US a pass on abiding to International law and principles, many of which they are signatories to. You are supportive of the chosen people model? It seems so. What you are advocating has nothing to do with equality, social justice or human rights, you seem to advocate for privelige of one specific demographic group.

Defending Citizen's from Terrorist Missiles - Well Rob/Jay, if people weren't oppressed by the Israel government, no one would feel that they have to lob missiles over the fence. This is the crux of the matter, you fail to recognize the fact that missiles aren't lobbed over the fence based on ideology or religion, missles are lobbed over based on Israel's actions. Until you recongize that, anything you come up with is ridiculous. As for delegitimization, Israel's actions are what delegitimizes the state of Israel. To use this kind of argument where you can say anything about any other state actor, but how dare anyone criticize a state which is dispossessing a population, again shows that your ideology allows for discrimination. Nothing you have posted speaks to equality, but actually speaks against it.

Security our Homeland - The problem with this tenet is that it doesn't work. What is the sense defending something that no longer exists. A trade off of liberties for security, leaves one with neither liberty nor security.

No Stan, your definition of antisemitism is not the universally accepted definition. It is the definition created by propagandists. Henriette actually isn't a supporter of David Duke, but had posted something from his site. You post from websites known as hatesites, including Jihadwatch which Abe Foxman (American Jewish Zionist big wig, head of ADL) finds to be islamophobic. So isn't that calling of the kettle black by the pot?

Have you ever read anything beyond Jihadwatch? Any Israeli authors, any Israeli history, anything aside from superficial scanning of inflammatory headlines from a known hate website?

Bee "Your presence on this thread adds nothing of worth because of your attitude to the other contributors. " You always are too kind. It is not just the attitude, it is the lack of any knowledge regarding the conflict to begin with.

John/Abdessalem - You both made me laugh with your Philaharmonic Orchestra comments. You both rock!

 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 11:02 am
Barking dogs don't scare me. PERIOD
 

(0)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 11:50 am
Bob - "11. Saudi lobby executed a great campaign against Canadian oil pipeline, which would remove US dependency on Saudi oil. Obama cancelled the pipeline, even though America lost tens of thousands of jobs, relations with Canada are damaged and Obama will continue to depend on Saudis and listen to what they tell him to do. "

You want to provide something to back this up? Could it maybe be because environmentalists, along with concerned citizens have perhaps been vocal about this proposed pipeline? I gather you really don't give a crap about the environment, people, rights, it all seems to be about checking behind every bush looking for the next terrorist. Considering there are more effective terrorists than the ones you are searching, perhaps you should give them some attention.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 11:51 am
Paul Findley Dares to Speak
http://care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=30952&pst=1378846
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 2:09 pm
Bee Hive

"Why does your little group insult the rest of us with lies and histrionic tirades? "

I think it goes deeper than this. There are wheels within wheels here. They know perfectly well that "we" do not believe a word they say and that furthermore, we can disprove their lies. They are posting for the lurkers, the undecided, the intellectually lazy, the army of Cal fans who'll post (elsewhere) "Thanks, noted and signed" without thinking. This is who their propaganda is aimed at. They know that much of what they say is suppoorted in the corporate media which is beholden - often - to neocon and pro-Zionist owners. Repeating it here is for those who won't look more deeply than a set of assertions that they already have half absorbed as the "truth" because they have read similar "in the paper".

That's my take, anyway.

We ARE getting to them though. The level becomes shriller when they are found out and thay resort to trying to delegitimise us by trigger words, "anti-semite", "self-hater" or even "baby killer", "paedophile" or "pillow biter". Again, they know that these words do not affect us, but they hope that they will persuade these others that "we" are not to be trusted, that we are loathsome and evil.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 2:26 pm
Women's Day is a day of solidarity with the administrative detainee Hana Al-Shalabi

http://www.ufree-p.net/Details.aspx?Type_ID=1&Rotator_ID=125

Please follow the "Take Action" link and try to help Hana.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 2:59 pm
Amnesty Calls for the Immediate Release of Bassem Tamimi


Popular Struggle Coordination Committee

March 3, 2012

In a statement released today, Amnesty International pronounced Palestinian protest organizer, Bassem Tamimi, a prisoner of conscience and called for his immediate and unconditional release from Israeli prison.

After nearly a year in Israeli jail, standing trial for charges pertaining to protest organizing in his west bank village of Nabi Saleh, Bassem Tamimi was named prisoner of conscience by Amnesty International. In its statement the organization called for Tamimi's immediate and unconditional release. Tamimi's next court hearing will take place this Sunday, March 5th, 10:30 AM at the Ofer Military Court.

See here for Amnesty's full statement.

"Palestinian human rights defender Bassem Tamimi is a prisoner of conscience, detained solely for his role in organizing peaceful protests against the encroachment onto Palestinian lands by Israeli settlers, and should be released immediately and unconditionally", Amnesty International said today.

"The Israeli army has repeatedly used excessive force in countering these demonstrations, as a result of which the organizers reiterate instructions for Palestinian demonstrators to adhere to non-violent methods. Occasionally, individual protestors have engaged in throwing stones at soldiers. One such protestor, Mustafa Tamimi, was shot in al-Nabi Saleh on 10 December 2011 by a high-velocity tear gas projectile fired at his head at close range from an Israeli military jeep. He died the next day in hospital", the organization's press release added.

Legal background
On March 24th, 2011, a massive contingent of Israeli Soldiers raided the Tamimi home at around noon, only minutes after he entered the house to prepare for a meeting with a European diplomat. He was arrested and subsequently charged.

The main evidence in Tamimi's case is the testimony of 14 year-old Islam Dar Ayyoub, also from Nabi Saleh, who was taken from his bed at gunpoint on the night of January 23rd. In his interrogation the morning after his arrest, Islam alleged that Bassem and Naji Tamimi organized groups of youth into "brigades", charged with different responsibilities during the demonstrations: some were allegedly in charge of stone-throwing, others of blocking roads, etc.

During a trial-within-a-trial procedure in Islam's trial, motioning for his testimony to be ruled inadmissible, it was proven that his interrogation was fundamentally flawed and violated the rights set forth in the Israeli Youth Law in the following ways:

The boy was arrested at gunpoint in the dead of night, during a violent military raid on his house.
Despite being a minor, he was denied sleep in the period between his arrest and questioning, which began the following morning and lasted over 5 hours.
Despite being told he would be allowed to see a lawyer, he was denied legal counsel, although his lawyer appeared at the police station requesting to see him.
He was denied his right to have a parent present during his questioning. The testimony of one of his interrogators before the court suggests that he believes Palestinian minors do not enjoy this right.
He was not informed of his right to remain silent, and was even told by his interrogators that he "must tell of everything that happened."
Only one of four interrogators who participated in the questioning was a qualified youth interrogator.

The audio-visual recording of another central witness against Tamimi, 15 year-old Mo'atasem Tamimi, proves that he too was questioned in a similarly unlawful manner.

The audio-visual recording of another central witness against Tamimi, 15 year-old Mo'atasem Tamimi, proves that he too was questioned in a similarly unlawful manner and was led to believe that implicating others, may earn him a more lenient treatment. The boy was told, numerous times, "Tell us what happened [...] and who in the village incited you to throw stones. [...] (shouting) you were incited! You.... you are a young boy, Incited by people. Grownups, we know. It's the grownups who incite you, right?"

Since the beginning of the village's struggle against settler takeover of their lands in December of 2009, the army has conducted more than 80 protest related arrests. As the entire village numbers just over 500 residents, the number constitutes approximately 10% of its population.

Tamimi's arrest corresponds to the systematic arrest of civil protest leaders all around the West Bank, as in the case of the villages Bil'in and Ni'ilin.

In a recent, nearly identical case, the Military Court of Appeals has aggravated the sentence of Abdallah Abu Rahmah from the village of Bilin, sending him to 16 months imprisonment on charges of incitement and organizing illegal demonstrations. Abu Rahmah was released on March 2011.

The arrest and trial of Abu Rahmah has been widely condemned by the international community, most notably by Britain and EU foreign minister, Catherin Ashton. Harsh criticism of the arrest has also been offered by leading human rights organizations in Israel and around the world, among them B'tselem, ACRI, as well as Human Rights Watch, which declared Abu Rahmah's trial unfair, and Amnesty International, which declared Abu Rahmah a prisoner of conscience.

Personal Background
Bassem Tamimi is a veteran Palestinian grassroots activist from the West Bank village of Nabi Saleh, north of Ramallah. He is married to Nariman Tamimi, with whom he fathers four children - Wa’ed (14), Ahed (10), Mohammed (8) and Salam (5).

As a veteran activist, Tamimi has been arrested by the Israeli army 11 times to date, though he was never convicted of any offense. Tamimi spent roughly three years in administrative detention, with no charges brought against him. Furthermore, his attorney and he were denied access to "secret evidence" brought against him.

In 1993, Tamimi was falsely arrested on suspicion of having murdered an Israeli settler in Beit El - an allegation of which he was cleared of entirely. During his weeks-long interrogation, he was severely tortured by the Israeli Shin Bet in order to draw a coerced confession from him. During his interrogation, and as a result of the torture he underwent, Tamimi collapsed and had to be evacuated to a hospital, where he laid unconscious for seven days. As a result of the wounds caused by torture, Tamimi was partially paralyzed for several months after his release from the hospital.

At the opening of his trial on June 5th, Tamimi pleaded "not guilty" to all charges against him, but proudly owned up to organizing protest in the village. In a defiant speech before the court he said, "I organized these peaceful demonstrations to defend our land and our people." Tamimi also challenged the legitimacy of the very system which trys him, saying that "Despite claiming to be the only democracy in the Middle East you are trying me under military laws [...] that are enacted by authorities which I haven't elected and do not represent me." (See here for Tamimi's full statement).

The indictment against Tamimi is based on questionable and coerced confessions of youth from the village. He is charged with' incitement', 'organizing and participating in unauthorized processions',' solicitation to stone-throwing', 'failure to attend legal summons', and a scandalous charge of 'disruption of legal proceedings', for allegedly giving youth advice on how to act during police interrogation in the event that they are arrested.

The transcript of Tamimi's police interrogation further demonstrates the police and Military Prosecution's political motivation and disregard for suspects' rights. During his questioning, Tamimi was accused by his interrogator of "consulting lawyers and foreigners to prepare for his interrogation", an act that is clearly protected under the right to seek legal counsel.

As one of the organizers of the Nabi Saleh protests and coordinator of the village's popular committee, Tamimi has been the target of harsh treatment by the Israeli army. Since demonstrations began in the village, his house has been raided and ransacked numerous times, his wife was twice arrested and two of his sons were injured; Wa'ed, 14, was hospitalized for five days when a rubber-coated bullet penetrated his leg and Mohammed, 8, was injured by a tear-gas projectile that was shot directly at him and hit him in the shoulder. Shortly after demonstrations in the village began, the Israeli Civil Administration served ten demolition orders to structures located in Area C, Tamimi's house was one of them, despite the fact that part of the house was built in 1965 and the rest in 2005.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 3:08 pm
Even though I was nearly sick when I read the speech, here it is:--

Text of Obama's AIPAC speech
March 4, 2012 02:03 PM EST

This is the text of President Barack Obama’s speech at the AIPAC conference
in Washington on Sunday.



Thank you. Well, good morning, everyone.

Rosy, thank you for your kind words. I have never seen Rosy on the
basketball court. I’ll bet it would be a treat. Rosy, you’ve been a dear
friend of mine for a long time and a tireless advocate for the unbreakable
bonds between Israel and the United States. And as you complete your term as
president, I salute your leadership and your commitment.

I want to thank the board of directors. As always, I’m glad to see my
longtime friends in the Chicago delegation. I also want to thank the members
of Congress who are with us here today, and who will be speaking to you over
the next few days. You’ve worked hard to maintain the partnership between
the United States and Israel. And I especially want to thank my close friend
and leader of the Democratic National Committee, Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

I’m glad that my outstanding young ambassador to Israel, Dan Shapiro, is in
the house. I understand that Dan is perfecting his Hebrew on his new
assignment, and I appreciate his constant outreach to the Israeli people.
And I’m also pleased that we’re joined by so many Israeli officials,
including Ambassador Michael Oren. And tomorrow, I’m very much looking
forward to welcoming Prime Minister Netanyahu and his delegation back to the
White House.

Every time I come to AIPAC, I’m especially impressed to see so many young
people here. You don’t yet get the front seats - I understand. You have to
earn that. But students from all over the country who are making their
voices heard and engaging deeply in our democratic debate. You carry with
you an extraordinary legacy of more than six decades of friendship between
the United States and Israel. And you have the opportunity - and the
responsibility - to make your own mark on the world. And for inspiration,
you can look to the man who preceded me on this stage, who’s being honored
at this conference - my friend, President Shimon Peres.

Shimon was born a world away from here, in a shtetl in what was then Poland,
a few years after the end of the first world war. But his heart was always
in Israel, the historic homeland of the Jewish people. And when he was just
a boy he made his journey across land and sea - toward home.

In his life, he has fought for Israel’s independence, and he has fought for
peace and security. As a member of the Haganah and a member of the Knesset,
as a minister of defense and foreign affairs, as a prime minister and as
president - Shimon helped build the nation that thrives today: the Jewish
state of Israel. But beyond these extraordinary achievements, he has also
been a powerful moral voice that reminds us that right makes might - not the
other way around.

Shimon once described the story of the Jewish people by saying it proved
that, “slings, arrows and gas chambers can annihilate man, but cannot
destroy human values, dignity, and freedom.” And he has lived those values.
He has taught us to ask more of ourselves and to empathize more with our
fellow human beings. I am grateful for his life’s work and his moral
example. And I’m proud to announce that later this spring, I will invite
Shimon Peres to the White House to present him with America’s highest
civilian honor - the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

In many ways, this award is a symbol of the broader ties that bind our
nations. The United States and Israel share interests, but we also share
those human values that Shimon spoke about: a commitment to human dignity. A
belief that freedom is a right that is given to all of God’s children. An
experience that shows us that democracy is the one and only form of
government that can truly respond to the aspirations of citizens.

America’s Founding Fathers understood this truth, just as Israel’s founding
generation did. President Truman put it well, describing his decision to
formally recognize Israel only minutes after it declared independence. He
said, “I had faith in Israel before it was established. I believe it has a
glorious future before it - as not just another sovereign nation, but as an
embodiment of the great ideals of our civilization.”

For over six decades, the American people have kept that faith. Yes, we are
bound to Israel because of the interests that we share - in security for our
communities, prosperity for our people, the new frontiers of science that
can light the world. But ultimately it is our common ideals that provide the
true foundation for our relationship. That is why America’s commitment to
Israel has endured under Democratic and Republican presidents, and
congressional leaders of both parties. In the United States, our support for
Israel is bipartisan, and that is how it should stay.

AIPAC’s work continually nurtures this bond. And because of AIPAC’s
effectiveness in carrying out its mission, you can expect that over the next
several days, you will hear many fine words from elected officials
describing their commitment to the U.S.-Israel relationship. But as you
examine my commitment, you don’t just have to count on my words. You can
look at my deeds. Because over the last three years, as president of the
United States, I have kept my commitments to the state of Israel. At every
crucial juncture - at every fork in the road - we have been there for
Israel. Every single time.

Four years ago, I stood before you and said that, “Israel’s security is
sacrosanct. It is non-negotiable.” That belief has guided my actions as
president. The fact is my administration’s commitment to Israel’s security
has been unprecedented. Our military and intelligence cooperation has never
been closer. Our joint exercises and training have never been more robust.
Despite a tough budget environment, our security assistance has increased
every single year. We are investing in new capabilities. We’re providing
Israel with more advanced technology - the types of products and systems
that only go to our closest friends and allies. And make no mistake: We will
do what it takes to preserve Israel’s qualitative military edge - because
Israel must always have the ability to defend itself, by itself, against any
threat.

This isn’t just about numbers on a balance sheet. As a senator, I spoke to
Israeli troops on the Lebanese border. I visited with families who’ve known
the terror of rocket fire in Sderot. And that’s why, as president, I have
provided critical funding to deploy the Iron Dome system that has
intercepted rockets that might have hit homes and hospitals and schools in
that town and in others. Now our assistance is expanding Israel’s defensive
capabilities, so that more Israelis can live free from the fear of rockets
and ballistic missiles. Because no family, no citizen, should live in fear.

And just as we’ve been there with our security assistance, we’ve been there
through our diplomacy. When the Goldstone report unfairly singled out Israel
for criticism, we challenged it. When Israel was isolated in the aftermath
of the flotilla incident, we supported them. When the Durban conference was
commemorated, we boycotted it, and we will always reject the notion that
Zionism is racism.

When one-sided resolutions are brought up at the Human Rights Council, we
oppose them. When Israeli diplomats feared for their lives in Cairo, we
intervened to save them. When there are efforts to boycott or divest from
Israel, we will stand against them. And whenever an effort is made to
delegitimize the state of Israel, my administration has opposed them. So
there should not be a shred of doubt by now - when the chips are down, I
have Israel’s back.

Which is why, if during this political season you hear some questions
regarding my administration’s support for Israel, remember that it’s not
backed up by the facts. And remember that the U.S.-Israel relationship is
simply too important to be distorted by partisan politics. America’s
national security is too important. Israel’s security is too important.

Of course, there are those who question not my security and diplomatic
commitments, but rather my administration’s ongoing pursuit of peace between
Israelis and Palestinians. So let me say this: I make no apologies for
pursuing peace. Israel’s own leaders understand the necessity of peace.
Prime Minister Netanyahu, Defense Minister Barak, President Peres - each of
them have called for two states, a secure Israel that lives side by side
with an independent Palestinian state. I believe that peace is profoundly in
Israel’s security interest.

The reality that Israel faces - from shifting demographics, to emerging
technologies, to an extremely difficult international environment - demands
a resolution of this issue. And I believe that peace with the Palestinians
is consistent with Israel’s founding values - because of our shared belief
in self-determination, and because Israel’s place as a Jewish and democratic
state must be protected.

Of course, peace is hard to achieve. There’s a reason why it’s remained
elusive for six decades. The upheaval and uncertainty in Israel’s
neighborhood makes it that much harder - from the horrific violence raging
in Syria, to the transition in Egypt. And the division within the
Palestinian leadership makes it harder still - most notably, with Hamas’s
continued rejection of Israel’s very right to exist.

But as hard as it may be, we should not and cannot give in to cynicism or
despair. The changes taking place in the region make peace more important,
not less. And I’ve made it clear that there will be no lasting peace unless
Israel’s security concerns are met. That’s why we continue to press Arab
leaders to reach out to Israel, and will continue to support the peace
treaty with Egypt. That’s why - just as we encourage Israel to be resolute
in the pursuit of peace - we have continued to insist that any Palestinian
partner must recognize Israel’s right to exist and reject violence and
adhere to existing agreements. And that is why my administration has
consistently rejected any efforts to short-cut negotiations or impose an
agreement on the parties.

As Rosy noted, last year, I stood before you and pledged that, “the United
States will stand up against efforts to single Israel out at the United
Nations.” As you know, that pledge has been kept. Last September, I stood
before the United Nations General Assembly and reaffirmed that any lasting
peace must acknowledge the fundamental legitimacy of Israel and its security
concerns. I said that America’s commitment to Israel’s security is
unshakeable, our friendship with Israel is enduring and that Israel must be
recognized. No American president has made such a clear statement about our
support for Israel at the United Nations at such a difficult time. People
usually give those speeches before audiences like this one - not before the
General Assembly.

And I must say, there was not a lot of applause. But it was the right thing
to do. And as a result, today there is no doubt - anywhere in the world -
that the United States will insist upon Israel’s security and legitimacy.
That will be true as we continue our efforts to pursue - in the pursuit of
peace. And that will be true when it comes to the issue that is such a focus
for all of us today: Iran’s nuclear program - a threat that has the
potential to bring together the worst rhetoric about Israel’s destruction
with the world’s most dangerous weapons.

Let’s begin with a basic truth that you all understand: No Israeli
government can tolerate a nuclear weapon in the hands of a regime that
denies the Holocaust, threatens to wipe Israel off the map and sponsors
terrorist groups committed to Israel’s destruction. And so I understand the
profound historical obligation that weighs on the shoulders of Bibi
Netanyahu and Ehud Barak and all of Israel’s leaders.

A nuclear-armed Iran is completely counter to Israel’s security interests.
But it is also counter to the national security interests of the United
States.

Indeed, the entire world has an interest in preventing Iran from acquiring a
nuclear weapon. A nuclear-armed Iran would thoroughly undermine the
nonproliferation regime that we’ve done so much to build. There are risks
that an Iranian nuclear weapon could fall into the hands of a terrorist
organization. It is almost certain that others in the region would feel
compelled to get their own nuclear weapon, triggering an arms race in one of
the world’s most volatile regions. It would embolden a regime that has
brutalized its own people, and it would embolden Iran’s proxies, who have
carried out terrorist attacks from the Levant to southwest Asia.

And that is why, four years ago, I made a commitment to the American people
and said that we would use all elements of American power to pressure Iran
and prevent it from acquiring a nuclear weapon. And that is what we have
done.

When I took office, the efforts to apply pressure on Iran were in tatters.
Iran had gone from zero centrifuges spinning to thousands, without facing
broad pushback from the world. In the region, Iran was ascendant -
increasingly popular and extending its reach. In other words, the Iranian
leadership was united and on the move, and the international community was
divided about how to go forward.

And so from my very first months in office, we put forward a very clear
choice to the Iranian regime: a path that would allow them to rejoin the
community of nations if they meet their international obligations, or a path
that leads to an escalating series of consequences if they don’t. In fact,
our policy of engagement - quickly rebuffed by the Iranian regime - allowed
us to rally the international community as never before, to expose Iran’s
intransigence and to apply pressure that goes far beyond anything that the
United States could do on our own.

Because of our efforts, Iran is under greater pressure than ever before.
Some of you will recall, people predicted that Russia and China wouldn’t
join us to move toward pressure. They did. And in 2010 the U.N. Security
Council overwhelmingly supported a comprehensive sanctions effort. Few
thought that sanctions could have an immediate bite on the Iranian regime.
They have, slowing the Iranian nuclear program and virtually grinding the
Iranian economy to a halt in 2011. Many questioned whether we could hold our
coalition together as we moved against Iran’s Central Bank and oil exports.
But our friends in Europe and Asia and elsewhere are joining us. And in
2012, the Iranian government faces the prospect of even more crippling
sanctions.

That is where we are today, because of our work. Iran is isolated, its
leadership divided and under pressure. And by the way, the Arab Spring has
only increased these trends, as the hypocrisy of the Iranian regime is
exposed, and its ally, the Assad regime, is crumbling.

Of course, so long as Iran fails to meet its obligations, this problem
remains unresolved. The effective implementation of our policy is not enough
- we must accomplish our objective. And in that effort, I firmly believe
that an opportunity still remains for diplomacy - backed by pressure - to
succeed.

The United States and Israel both assess that Iran does not yet have a
nuclear weapon, and we are exceedingly vigilant in monitoring their program.
Now, the international community has a responsibility to use the time and
space that exists. Sanctions are continuing to increase, and this July -
thanks to our diplomatic coordination - a European ban on Iranian oil
imports will take hold. Faced with these increasingly dire consequences,
Iran’s leaders still have the opportunity to make the right decision. They
can choose a path that brings them back into the community of nations, or
they can continue down a dead end.

And given their history, there are, of course, no guarantees that the
Iranian regime will make the right choice. But both Israel and the United
States have an interest in seeing this challenge resolved diplomatically.
After all, the only way to truly solve this problem is for the Iranian
government to make a decision to forsake nuclear weapons. That’s what
history tells us.

Moreover, as president and commander in chief, I have a deeply held
preference for peace over war. I have sent men and women into harm’s way.
I’ve seen the consequences of those decisions in the eyes of those I meet
who’ve come back gravely wounded, and the absence of those who don’t make it
home. Long after I leave this office, I will remember those moments as the
most searing of my presidency. And for this reason, as part of my solemn
obligation to the American people, I will only use force when the time and
circumstances demand it. And I know that Israeli leaders also know all too
well the costs and consequences of war, even as they recognize their
obligation to defend their country.

We all prefer to resolve this issue diplomatically. Having said that, Iran’s
leaders should have no doubt about the resolve of the United States - just
as they should not doubt Israel’s sovereign right to make its own decisions
about what is required to meet its security needs.

I have said that when it comes to preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear
weapon, I will take no options off the table, and I mean what I say. That
includes all elements of American power: a political effort aimed at
isolating Iran, a diplomatic effort to sustain our coalition and ensure that
the Iranian program is monitored, an economic effort that imposes crippling
sanctions and, yes, a military effort to be prepared for any contingency.

Iran’s leaders should understand that I do not have a policy of containment;
I have a policy to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. And as I
have made clear time and again during the course of my presidency, I will
not hesitate to use force when it is necessary to defend the United States
and its interests.

Moving forward, I would ask that we all remember the weightiness of these
issues, the stakes involved for Israel, for America, and for the world.
Already, there is too much loose talk of war. Over the last few weeks, such
talk has only benefited the Iranian government, by driving up the price of
oil, which they depend on to fund their nuclear program. For the sake of
Israel’s security, America’s security and the peace and security of the
world, now is not the time for bluster. Now is the time to let our increased
pressure sink in and to sustain the broad international coalition we have
built. Now is the time to heed the timeless advice from Teddy Roosevelt:
Speak softly; carry a big stick. And as we do, rest assured that the Iranian
government will know our resolve and that our coordination with Israel will
continue.

These are challenging times. But we’ve been through challenging times
before, and the United States and Israel have come through them together.
Because of our cooperation, citizens in both our countries have benefited
from the bonds that bring us together. I’m proud to be one of those people.
In the past, I’ve shared in this forum just why those bonds are so personal
for me: the stories of a great uncle who helped liberate Buchenwald, to my
memories of returning there with Elie Wiesel; from sharing books with
President Peres to sharing seders with my young staff in a tradition that
started on the campaign trail and continues in the White House; from the
countless friends I know in this room to the concept of tikkun olam that has
enriched and guided my life.

As Harry Truman understood, Israel’s story is one of hope. We may not agree
on every single issue - no two nations do, and our democracies contain a
vibrant diversity of views. But we agree on the big things - the things that
matter. And together, we are working to build a better world - one where our
people can live free from fear; one where peace is founded upon justice; one
where our children can know a future that is more hopeful than the present.

There is no shortage of speeches on the friendship between the United States
and Israel. But I’m also mindful of the proverb, “A man is judged by his
deeds, not his words.” So if you want to know where my heart lies, look no
further than what I have done - to stand up for Israel; to secure both of
our countries and to see that the rough waters of our time lead to a
peaceful and prosperous shore.

Thank you very much, everybody. God bless you. God bless the people of
Israel. God bless the United States of America.
 

Bonnie B. (103)
Sunday March 4, 2012, 4:40 pm
Thanks, Abdessalem.
 

Kathy Javens (104)
Monday March 5, 2012, 6:38 am
Noted. This is a formula for war. There is and has been far too much war in this world. All need to lay down their weapons and pind more peaceful solutions to the worlds problems. Thanks for the article Abdesselem.
 

Mary P. (157)
Monday March 5, 2012, 7:34 am
Rob and Jay,

Shame! you poor bigot!! your 'islam' hatred precedes you in every comment
you make on, even threads which are irrelevant to your 'pet' topic (Hate Islam\muslims)!!
You and your hate filled friends don't know the difference between the true Jews(judaism) of Israel and
the evil entity of the Zionist Israeli Regime! One is pure and GOD loving and the other is
Pure Evil and Satan Loving! Remove your Blinkers of Hatred for islam\muslims, as
Its clouding your true sense of right and wrong, good and evil, pure and impure,
Just and unjust, save and destroy. You are so consumed by hate that you fail to realize
that your inner hatred, will only end in destruction of your own souls. Please
Know that your hatred can never harm Islam or Muslims, but will most certainly harm
your own peace, harmony and lives! I pray for love to replace your hate and animosity
Towards all muslims and islam.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Monday March 5, 2012, 8:23 am
Obama addressing AIPAC conference and flirting Israel's president said once "slings, arrows and gas chambers can annihilate man, but cannot
destroy human values, dignity, and freedom."
I felt sorry for USA president who was not giving a speech,He was actually presenting his credentials to AIPAC begging it to support him to be re elected. This only prove the title of this Article (AIPAC Undermines Democracy at Home and in the Middle East)

Using Shimon Peres words,I am telling Obama that" slings, arrows and white phosphorus,DIF attacks,AIF bombers, DIF drones,USA military,political and economic aid to the Zionist entity can annihilate Palestinians, but cannot destroy human values, Arab and Palestinians dignity, and freedom."

 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Monday March 5, 2012, 8:43 am
Thank you Barbara for drawing our attention to this courageous situation.Let us watch the video.


Jewish Activist to AIPAC: Stop Silencing Dissent! Video

http://www.care2.com/news/go/3126069


Young Jewish activist disrupts AIPAC panel about “Israel on Campus”: Stop Silencing Dissent and Supporting Settlement Expansion



Liza Behrendt, 22 year old member of Young Jewish and Proud, the youth wing ofJewish Voice for Peace, stood up during a breakout session called “The Struggle to Secure Israel on Campus” to call attention to the silencing of Palestinians— and young Jews who support them — on U.S. campuses. Liza stood on stage and unfurled a banner that read, “Settlements Betray Jewish Values” and “Tzedek Tzedek Tirdof,” the Jewish text from Deuteronomy meaning “Justice, Justice, You Shall Pursue.”







 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Monday March 5, 2012, 8:51 am
Thanks Barbara W. for drawing our attention to this courageous situation against AIPAC,Let us watch the video

Jewish Activist to AIPAC: Stop Silencing Dissent! Video

http://www.care2.com/news/go/3126069


Young Jewish activist disrupts AIPAC panel about “Israel on Campus”: Stop Silencing Dissent and Supporting Settlement Expansion



Liza Behrendt, 22 year old member of Young Jewish and Proud, the youth wing ofJewish Voice for Peace, stood up during a breakout session called “The Struggle to Secure Israel on Campus” to call attention to the silencing of Palestinians— and young Jews who support them — on U.S. campuses. Liza stood on stage and unfurled a banner that read, “Settlements Betray Jewish Values” and “Tzedek Tzedek Tirdof,” the Jewish text from Deuteronomy meaning “Justice, Justice, You Shall Pursue.”



 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Monday March 5, 2012, 9:37 am
Abdessalam, my wise friend, thank you so much for your analysis and insight concerning President Obama's speech at AIPAC. You are right. His speech was a job interview. He was begging to be reelected. His speech proves that there is a deadly serpent in the bosom of American democracy. AIPAC.
 

. (0)
Monday March 5, 2012, 9:42 am
noted. This is not a new revelation. Our administrations have long worried more for Israel, than for it's own citizens. Just this morning I read in the paper, that Obama backs and will continue to back Israel...period. However, I do believe that more and more people are waking up to this fact. Thanks for the post Abdessaiam
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Monday March 5, 2012, 10:02 am
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Bee because you have done so within the last week.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Monday March 5, 2012, 10:04 am
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to T away because you have done so within the last week.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday March 5, 2012, 10:45 am
Bee Hive, since when tar sands became toxic?

"Why does your little group insult the rest of us with lies and histrionic tirades?" -??? Not sure which little group, who are "we" and whom my comment about Canadian oil replacing Saudi oil insults.

It was an open push by Saudi lobby to maintain their power, and it was highly successful. For now, at least until elections. Of course Canada will develop our oil even if all Islamists are against it, Harper knows how to stand for what is best for Canada, for Alberta and for the natives who will get a great portions of it.

But the effect of Saudi lobby in US showed its true power.



 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday March 5, 2012, 10:47 am
Abdessalam, barking dogs don't scare me as well.
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Monday March 5, 2012, 10:54 am
Bob A., you are the most uninformed and politically incorrect Canadian on Care 2. So sorry to let you know that but, eh?

The tar sands are the fastest growing source of global warming pollution in Canada. Yet, the federal government has no plan to curb their emissions.

Global warming isn't the only environmental problem made worse by the tar sands. Toxic waste ponds, air and water pollution, habitat and species destruction are all legacies of the enormous operations in northern Alberta.

We're not afraid to talk about how the tar sands are TARnishing the maple leaf. We've published a number of reports, and placed some ads about their effect on our health and our economy. We're demanding action from Ottawa transition away from dirty oil, such as the tar sands, to clean energy and to reduce the negative effects of the tar sands while that's happening.

It doesn’t have to be this way. There are ways to curb the damage being done by the tar sands. Yet the federal government has so far failed to get industry to clean up.

Because of their sheer scale, all Canadians are affected by the tar sands, no matter where they live.

http://environmentaldefence.ca/campaigns/exposing-tar-sands
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday March 5, 2012, 10:58 am
Mary, your wrote: "Remove your Blinkers of Hatred for islam\muslims, as Its clouding your true sense of right and wrong, good and evil, pure and impure, Just and unjust, save and destroy. "

Rational people make decisions based on reality, not on emotions. When they read that Afgani Islamists killed several Americans because somebody somewhere burnt several copies of Koran, they don't see this view as "right, good, pure, just and save".

At the same time, Pakistanis threw many books of Koran into sewage, as was recently posted. If burning Koran is a more sacrilege act than throwing it into a sewage,or, alternatively, recycling, somebody had to tell Americans about that.

But killing ANY American in the name of Islam and for the sake of a burnt book is not the message of "right, good, pure, just and save", but quite the opposite. I am surprised you don't see it this way.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday March 5, 2012, 11:02 am
Bee Hive, "The tar sands are the fastest growing source of global warming pollution " - is simply not true. Coal is. And if you include gas burning in Nigeria, Nigerian oil is far greater pollutant, yet nobody objects to purchasing Nigerian oil.

How about consideration on WHO gets the oil money, jihadists, currently at war with US, and native people of Canada, plus working Americans?

Your description of me as being "the most .. politically incorrect Canadian on Care 2" makes you proud and you get the Green Star for making my day!

 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday March 5, 2012, 11:04 am
sorry, two corrections:

1. How about consideration on WHO gets the oil money, jihadists, currently at war with US OR the native people of Canada plus working Americans?

2. I meant "makes ME proud"

Thank you.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday March 5, 2012, 11:11 am
This was the post about Korans being thrown into sewage in Pakistan:

http://www.care2.com/news/member/876870911/3122495
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Monday March 5, 2012, 11:20 am
Oil sands development contributes elements toxic at low concentrations to the Athabasca River and its tributaries

We show that the oil sands industry releases the 13 elements considered priority pollutants (PPE) under the US Environmental Protection Agency's Clean Water Act, via air and water, to the Athabasca River and its watershed. In the 2008 snowpack, all PPE except selenium were greater near oil sands developments than at more remote sites. Bitumen upgraders and local oil sands development were sources of airborne emissions. Concentrations of mercury, nickel, and thallium in winter and all 13 PPE in summer were greater in tributaries with watersheds more disturbed by development than in less disturbed watersheds. In the Athabasca River during summer, concentrations of all PPE were greater near developed areas than upstream of development. At sites downstream of development and within the Athabasca Delta, concentrations of all PPE except beryllium and selenium remained greater than upstream of development. Concentrations of some PPE at one location in Lake Athabasca near Fort Chipewyan were also greater than concentration in the Athabasca River upstream of development. Canada's or Alberta's guidelines for the protection of aquatic life were exceeded for seven PPE—cadmium, copper, lead, mercury, nickel, silver, and zinc—in melted snow and/or water collected near or downstream of development

http://www.pnas.org/content/107/37/16178.full

The "we" i was talking about either make incoherent tirades (sometimes yelled in UPPER CASE) or want to talk about everything else but the subject of this thread. Like you, Bob A. Just wondering, Bob A., do you know the subject of this thread?
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Monday March 5, 2012, 11:30 am
Nigerian oil (liquid oil) does not create the environmental hazards of burning and refining bitumen oil such as the tar sands (solid oil captured in other matter).

But, Bob A., you just gave a perfect example of bringing up everything but the subject of this thread.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday March 5, 2012, 12:00 pm
Bob A

""Why does your little group insult the rest of us with lies and histrionic tirades?" -??? Not sure which little group, who are "we" and whom my comment about Canadian oil replacing Saudi oil insults. "

Please see my post of Sunday March 4, 2012, 2:09 pm
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Monday March 5, 2012, 12:10 pm
Thanks Bee for teaching the Bob A.If knowlege is power what is ignorance?
 

Past Member (0)
Monday March 5, 2012, 1:51 pm
A message I have just received from Jewish Voice for Peace



John—I’m furious.

After signing contracts and paying in full for a mobile ad to carry your message to the AIPAC Policy Conference today; after letting 100,000 of you know about the truck; after nearly 5,000 of you signed the ad and let all of your friends know; after hundreds more chipped in for the ad; after sending a press release out to the media….After all that, the owner of the truck changed his mind at the last minute and decided not to let our ad run.

Why? What was so terrible about the ad that no one could be allowed to see it?

Its main message was: “AIPAC speaks for AIPAC, not for the Jews. AIPAC supports war with Iran and settlements, Jews do not.”

But the company let slip that they have other business with AIPAC, and didn’t want to upset them. I’m angry, but I can’t say I’m surprised. While I can’t say for sure if the truck owner got a call that scared him or if he simply got cold feet, I do know this is pretty much business as usual when dealing with matters related to AIPAC.

In fact, I started a blog called Muzzlewatch years ago when an AIPAC staffer threatened to get the funding for a Jewish youth leadership program completely pulled if I was allowed to speak to the students alongside the AIPAC representative.

Back then, the threat of losing that much money meant the people who ran the youth program folded, even though they knew it was wrong. And just last night, the truck owner folded too.

And now there’s the spreading story about AIPAC’s new and unprecedented policy of yanking press credentials from “unfriendly” reporters including Inter Press Service journalist and former Jewish Voice for Peace staffer Mitchell Plitnick, Mondoweiss’ Phil Weiss and Alternet’s Adele Stan.

So much for the free exchange of ideas in an open democracy.

After some very difficult conversations with the Jewish Voice for Peace board and lawyers, I spoke to the owner who said he’d try to fix things this morning. But it’s pretty clear his decision is made, so now I’m letting you know:

There will be no truck ad.

I’m really angry. But you can be sure of this—we will not be silenced. In fact, now we are committed to doing something even bigger to make sure our critical message gets out—so that our elected officials know that AIPAC doesn’t speak for us, and they don’t speak for millions of American Jews.

It’s going to take some time. But we’ll make sure our voices—your voices—are heard loud and clear by Congress. And once we’re up and running, we’ll let you know how you can help. To those of you who chipped in for the ad—every penny will go to this new effort.

In the meantime, we’re not sitting on our hands. We’re making sure the voices of the millions of Jews who are not represented by AIPAC are being heard loud and clear. In the image at left is Liza Behrendt, a leader in Young, Jewish and Proud, the youth wing of Jewish Voice for Peace. She’s shouting from the stage at the AIPAC youth conference yesterday: “I will not be silenced!” You can watch the dramatic video here.

Liza, a participant in OccupyAIPAC, walked onto the dais, stood right next to the CEO of Hillel, Wayne Firestone, and told the story of how his McCarthyite guidelines kept her Brandeis Jewish Voice for Peace chapter from being accepted in Hillel.

And this morning, Jewish Voice for Peace's Rabbinical Council also released this historic letter opposing war with Iran. Read the letter and share it with all the rabbis and rabbinical students in your circle—we need them to sign on to this powerful message.

These actions—representing your values— are already being magnified in the national and international press including the Jerusalem Post, the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, +972magazine, RT Television and many more.

Stay tuned. You will not be silenced.

Sincerely,


Cecilie Surasky, Deputy Director
Jewish Voice for Peace
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday March 5, 2012, 2:23 pm
Bee, in Nigeria they BURN gas coming with oil. Isn't burning large volume of gas a type of polluting?

Speaking of levels of pollution in Atabaska, why wouldn't you compare that level with levels of pollution in other developed areas, and not only in Canada, but in oil refineries all over the world.

Why there are no campaigns to stop coal mining, even though it is a greater pollutant?

All refineries are pollutants, why then Canadian tar sands are evaluated on a separate scale? Because replacing Saudi oil is unacceptable to Saudi lobby, but is it a great reason for infidels? Not for me.
 

(0)
Monday March 5, 2012, 2:40 pm
Bob I really wonder what is going on inside of your head. You now are denying the effects of the tar sands. Why not ask the Dene people who are diagnosed at an extremely high rate if carcinomas which are directly related to exposure by products of tar sands production. Alberta cancer found that the downstream population has a cancer rate 30% higher than elsewhere. Since your concerns Bob seem to be directed to the non brown population, how about the ducks? Do you have problems with ducks Bob? 500 of them died landing on the tailing ponds. Maybe they were suicide Islamic ducks Bob.
 

Mary P. (157)
Monday March 5, 2012, 2:47 pm
Bob you are a born bigot! You don't need any incidents as a reason to hate
Muslims\islam. From my first encounter with you on care2 you hav spewed out
Nothing but hatred and insults towards me and fellow muslim care2 members. I didn't kill any
One neither did Abdessalam nor any other Care 2 muslim member! Many people
Of other religions too commit vicious crimes but you don't find the care2 muslim
members spewing hatred and demonising an entire religion because of the deeds of
Extremists and terrorists. Btw the Zionist Israeli Regime are the worst State
Terrorist and a major threat to world Peace, but you won't find any hatred
Or insults spewed out against ALL Israelis or at ALL Jews, by any posters here!
We cannot say the same of you and your hatefilled friends, can we?
 

Mary P. (157)
Monday March 5, 2012, 3:19 pm
Bob,
Any hate monger could take a whole lot of bibles, qurans and torahs , throw them in the sewage; then
falsely throw accusations at those religious groups. Qurans, bibles and torahs are easily available at
stores and Mossad are experts at creating such 'false' scenarios to suit their Evil agendas!! Mossad's
presence is in all arab and muslim countries, determined to Cause conflicts
amongst religious groups, divide and conquer is their modem operandi!! Mossad
has a hand in every evil deed that is taking place at the moment, especially
False flags! Don't be fooled!! Remove your Blinkers and see the
Reality of the Zionist Israeli Regime and its hit squad Mossad!
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday March 5, 2012, 3:28 pm
Margaret, if you decide to care about ducks, you should attack McQuinty first for his wind mills, which are killing birds in much bigger numbers. And all of those killed ducks all were peaceful Canadian ducks, not inclined to suicide.

I heard about a hoax that one doctor played with one native tribe, and subsequently lied and was discharged from Medical college for his fraud. Are you talking about that tribe and two death, when much higher rate was reported?

Will you compare it to death from alcohol killing natives in their desperation for decent jobs and living conditions?



 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday March 5, 2012, 3:35 pm
Mary,

I don't see in your posts any proof of "Zionist Israeli Regime are the worst State Terrorist and a major threat to world Peace ".

You are just steering the topic of condemnation of Afganis, who killed random American soldiers in the name of Islam because some burnt copies of Koran were found. And then you want me to believe that this emanates from people related to peace.

BTW, I don't remember you or Abdessalam noting posts describing this despicable crime. Please correct me if I am wrong.
 

(0)
Monday March 5, 2012, 3:43 pm
Bob, my concern is about people who you are claiming suffer no harms from Tar Sands exploitation. The report is from Alberta Cancer Bob, not from any one but them. As to the Doctor you are referring to, again it might be wise to check out to ensure you are stating fact rather than fiction.

Dr. John O'Connor was cleared of any wrong doing. Health Canada, his accuser, should actually be investigated. Would it be too much Bob for you to actually look into something before you post libelous nonsense? Is that too much to ask. You are now stating who cares about toxicity due to oil sands because you think that they drink themselves to death. White people drink themselves to death too. The number of times you have actually made issue with the Muslim ban on alcohol, it makes me wonder if you like your alcohol a little too much. Bob, there is help right around the corner. I am sure you can find AA within your community.

If you want to me to take issue on the living conditions and unemployment much due to underfunding by our provincial and federal governments, you are preaching to the choir. I spend much time on this issue, have a website and actively advocate for our first people.
 

(0)
Monday March 5, 2012, 4:28 pm
Bob

"You are just steering the topic of condemnation of Afganis, who killed random American soldiers in the name of Islam because some burnt copies of Koran were found. And then you want me to believe that this emanates from people related to peace. "

Bob, I wonder if you were protesting the actions of US soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq that participated in war crimes?

These are just a few of the numerous war crimes the US military participated in. Yet, you want to hold a country beseiged by US occupation to a higher standard. While you go on about barbarians, do you ever apply the term to citizens of the US or Canada?

The Kill Team: How U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan Murdered Innocent Civilians

The marines urination video doesn't show the real war crime

Haditha Killings: Frank Wuterich, Convicted In Killings Of Iraqi Citizens, Escapes Jail Time
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Monday March 5, 2012, 4:30 pm
Bob, my concern is about black bears. I know you are not interested in people or black bears.

As a free lance wildlife photographer, I spent most of last autumn in Hazelton, BC and camped in northern Alberta, photographing black bears. So, the situation described below is important to me. Deadly, poison, I am sure is of no concern to you either.

Environment – Tar Sand mining in Alberta, Canada is not only making its mark on the environment, it is also having an adverse effect on the black bear population in the area.
According to the Alberta Sustainable Resource Development, 145 black bears were killed by Fish and Wildlife conservation officers last year. Black bears have become attracted to the oil sands area camps because they are seeking food and garbage. Approximately 68 of the 145 bears killed were in the area of these camps.
“Their approach seems to be, if it becomes a problem, kill it–rather than prevent the problem in the first place. Humans are destroying bear habitat and not disposing of garbage properly. So, we kill the bears.” National Wildlife Federation scientist Dr. Doug Inkley said in a blog post.
A spokesman for Alberta Sustainable Resources Development stated that black bears aren’t endangered and therefore the impact on the population is insignificant.
Oil sands have only recent become part of the world’s oil reserves, and it’s environmental burden has frequently been criticized by groups like Greenpeace, Climate Reality Project, MoveOn, League of Conservation Voters, and more. Extraction of oil from tar sands can produce toxic waste, release toxic chemicals into the air, and emit global warming pollutants.

http://www.thedailyactivist.com/environment-tar-sand-causing-bear-deaths/
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Monday March 5, 2012, 4:45 pm
Bob, I speak about the Athabasca River because I am posting about Alberta Tar Sands oil.

Duh. Can you read or are you just so anxious to refute others that you cannot be bothered to read the post?

Nigerian oil cause a great deal of pollution. All oil extraction and refining processes cause a great deal of pollution, but none more than Tar Sands oil.
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Monday March 5, 2012, 4:49 pm
I apologize for being off subject. I fell into a cunning trap. Bob, is your complete ignorance about your own post a cunning trap?
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday March 5, 2012, 4:52 pm
Bee, thank you for telling me about the black bears, should I have some time I will check into that. How many bears are still left there, knowing that they are not endangered?

BTW, you are a very interesting lady and I enjoy reading your posts. You are the first one doing camping in Alberta.

If I see you post I will note it!
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday March 5, 2012, 5:00 pm
Margaret, how do you manage to twist my words so skillfully?

I said, that tar sands are bringing huge opportunities for natives, and you come back with white people drinking to death as well. The reason, environment and percentages are hugely different, and thanks to tar sands this trend may change.

I won't go into details of what is to blame, shortage in financing which you claim, or gross mismanagement by chiefs of huge amounts given to them. Now Natives will be able to make money THEMSELVES, without going to chiefs and without resorting to liquor. Just for that, and for the well-being of Alberate where I wish I could go camping I will be defending our oil from Saudi lobby, intended and tricked.

And I always remeber, that Earth pollution comes from ALL places on Earth and therefore we need to compare Atabaska with what is happening in Nigeria, China, Russia to get the oil that we need anyway.
 

(0)
Monday March 5, 2012, 5:21 pm
No twisting Bob. Bob, if the Tar Sands are killing off people, wouldn't you think that the price is too high? You brought up alcohol and the Native population as if to minimize the effects of Tar Sands production to their health. In fact you comment "Will you compare it to death from alcohol killing natives in their desperation for decent jobs and living conditions? " seems to infer that the deaths due to alcohol abuse because of lack of jobs outweights or makes the harmful effects negligible. A 30% higher rate of rare carcinomas which are linked to directly to bi-product of Tar Sands exploitation.

You then attempt to discredit a physician (who let's face it would be doing a lot better financially elsewhere) who has given to this community to again minimize this threat to health. You are still on the treadmill of thinking that oil is a renewable resource. It isn't Bob, in fact perhaps if we were paying more for it, we wouldn't be wasting it at such a quick rate.

Bob, I have no problem into going into what you claim is the mismangement of money by the tribe. First of all, the tribe doesn't have sole control of the money, nor have they ever. It has to go through the Ministry. Secondly, big money, just like that big $90 million dollars Harper stated he gave to the people of Attawapiskat. That $90 million dollars to a community of 1,200 people over the period of 5 - 6 years, ends up being $10,000 per year. That is to cover all infrastructure, education, health, welfare for the population. My nice white little child is allocated that much in education funding in one year. Harper certainly knew what he was doing when he made that statement, because he knew that Canadians, like you, wouldn't bother doing the math. Why would anyone expect you Bob, to actually look into something before making claims that have no foundation.

Of course pollution exists elsewhere, but we (you and I) live in Canada. I certainly can act against oil interests in other countries which I do, but I am certainly going to make the most noise at home, where I live.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday March 5, 2012, 5:32 pm
Margaret, I don't believe Tar Sands are killing anyone and do believe that Dr. O'Konnor is a cheat, but that's really irrelevant.

We need oil. Oil comes with a pollution. Until solar and wind energy mature - we have to suffer the consequences of oil development. I think consequences of development of Canadian oil are better than paying Saudis who promote Jihad resulting in killings and women abuse.

 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday March 5, 2012, 7:00 pm
Bee, can't find your post about Atabaska, please send me a link.
 

(0)
Monday March 5, 2012, 7:19 pm
How can you state Dr. O'Connor (it starts with a C not a K) is a cheat? Cheating at what Bob? Where would he have benefited here?

Here is from the Alberta Cancer Report "Cancer Incidence in Fort Chipewayan, Alberta".

"From 2001 to 2005, concentrations of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon (PAHs) rose within the sediment around Lake Athabasca. The report indicated that the treated drinking water in Fort Chipewyan was safe, but described high levels of arsenic, mercury and PAHs in fish, which is the main diet of many people in Fort Chipewyan, especially members of its Aboriginal communities." (Cancer Incidence in Fort Chipewyan, Alberta, pg. 63. references the 2007 Timoney Report)

"The number of cancer cases observed in Fort Chipewyan was higher than expected for all cancers combined and for specific types of cancer, such as biliary tract cancer and cancers in the blood and lymphatic system. In particular, increases were found for biliary tract cancer in men and for lung cancer in women." (ibid, pg. 44)

Maybe we should for once, as a country, use less, be innovative and look for alternative energy sources. Maybe we should stop driving everywhere. We are a wasteful nation. We could build windmills and electric cars, but that isn't go to save us. The increase in the demand for oil in China and India will make our efforts neglible. Doesn't it occur to you that at some juncture, probably sooner rather than later, there will be none left. We won't really have to worry about it though, because first it will become so insanely expensive to extract that we won't be able to afford to buy it. To claim that there is no environmental affect by this process is not only naive, but also dangerous.
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Monday March 5, 2012, 7:21 pm
Bob, "Athabasca", sorry for the typo. Count up ten from this reply. The URL for the quotation is underneath it.
 

Mary P. (157)
Monday March 5, 2012, 9:59 pm
Margaret, thank you for your excellent response to Bob.

Bob, I don't need to put out any proof of the Zionist Israeli Regime's
'Terrorist' Activities Against Mankind and a 'threat' to world peace'.
I have seen you on enough articles which showed 'proof', but the reason
you don't remember is because, as usual YOU Had Your 'BLINKERS' on!

Bob, as for 'noting' posts , neither Abdessalam nor I , OWE You any explanations,
You don't find us asking the same question of you! Do you?

FYI, I have repeatedly said 'Wrong is Wrong' irrelevant of WHO is perpetrating the crime, be it Zionists,
Atheists, Christians, Jews, Muslims , Hindu, etc!! But off course, you will feign Ignorance, reason being either
you pretend to have not seeing my comments or because once again you CHOSE to keep your BLINKERS on!
 

(0)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 4:07 am
John - it is the Omar's that is what bothers me the most. I think that since Operation Cast Lead, I have been desensitized to a lot of the violence. It is the humiliation, the blatant disregard for human life that keeps me up at night. The single incident after incident where the life of a Palestinian is considered to be so much less than the value of a life of a Palestinian, the dignity of a Palestinian measuring so woefully immeasurably in the eyes of the his taunters, his existence so insignificant in the minds of others.

Contrary to popular belief, clearly demonstrated on this thread, I do value every life, whether it be Palestinian, Israeli, Syrian or Canadian. While being accused of things such as having no concern for human life when it comes to Jews or Christians, I am the one that knows the name of every single Israeli child that has died unnecessary in this madness. I am ashamed that I do not know the same of Palestinian children, as the body count is just too high to know. Where is it right to take a human being and let him die this miserable death? Car thief or not, he is someone's son, someone's brother, someone's friend. For this he should die at the side of the road for stealing a car?
 

Wioletta S. (69)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 5:25 am
I have now soo much information, thank you all
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 5:32 am
The title of this post reads " AIPAC Undermines Democracy At Home ........" The band says this is not correct but facts are facts.I think we all agree that freedom of speech is one of the pillars of democracy.Jewish voice for peace wanted to practice this right during this March AIPAC conference.They prepared their posters,contracted truck company to put the posters on the trucks but AIPAC forced the truck company to cancel its agreement with JVP and thus they couldn't practice their right the way they planned. AN OTHER PROVE that the title of this post is 100% correct.Please have a look at JVP letter :









Abdessalm—I’m furious.

After signing contracts and paying in full for a mobile ad to carry your message to the AIPAC Policy Conference today; after letting 100,000 of you know about the truck; after nearly 5,000 of you signed the ad and let all of your friends know; after hundreds more chipped in for the ad; after sending a press release out to the media….After all that, the owner of the truck changed his mind at the last minute and decided not to let our ad run.

Why? What was so terrible about the ad that no one could be allowed to see it?

Its main message was: “AIPAC speaks for AIPAC, not for the Jews. AIPAC supports war with Iran and settlements, Jews do not.”

But the company let slip that they have other business with AIPAC, and didn’t want to upset them. I’m angry, but I can’t say I’m surprised. While I can’t say for sure if the truck owner got a call that scared him or if he simply got cold feet, I do know this is pretty much business as usual when dealing with matters related to AIPAC.

In fact, I started a blog called Muzzlewatch years ago when an AIPAC staffer threatened to get the funding for a Jewish youth leadership program completely pulled if I was allowed to speak to the students alongside the AIPAC representative.

Back then, the threat of losing that much money meant the people who ran the youth program folded, even though they knew it was wrong. And just last night, the truck owner folded too.

And now there’s the spreading story about AIPAC’s new and unprecedented policy of yanking press credentials from “unfriendly” reporters including Inter Press Service journalist and former Jewish Voice for Peace staffer Mitchell Plitnick, Mondoweiss’ Phil Weiss and Alternet’s Adele Stan.

So much for the free exchange of ideas in an open democracy.

After some very difficult conversations with the Jewish Voice for Peace board and lawyers, I spoke to the owner who said he’d try to fix things this morning. But it’s pretty clear his decision is made, so now I’m letting you know:

There will be no truck ad.

I’m really angry. But you can be sure of this—we will not be silenced. In fact, now we are committed to doing something even bigger to make sure our critical message gets out—so that our elected officials know that AIPAC doesn’t speak for us, and they don’t speak for millions of American Jews.

It’s going to take some time. But we’ll make sure our voices—your voices—are heard loud and clear by Congress. And once we’re up and running, we’ll let you know how you can help. To those of you who chipped in for the ad—every penny will go to this new effort.

In the meantime, we’re not sitting on our hands. We’re making sure the voices of the millions of Jews who are not represented by AIPAC are being heard loud and clear. In the image at left is Liza Behrendt, a leader in Young, Jewish and Proud, the youth wing of Jewish Voice for Peace. She’s shouting from the stage at the AIPAC youth conference yesterday: “I will not be silenced!”

Liza, a participant in OccupyAIPAC, walked onto the dais, stood right next to the CEO of Hillel, Wayne Firestone, and told the story of how his McCarthyite guidelines kept her Brandeis Jewish Voice for Peace chapter from being accepted in Hillel.

And this morning, Jewish Voice for Peace's Rabbinical Council also released this historic letter opposing war with Iran. Read the letter and share it with all the rabbis and rabbinical students in your circle—we need them to sign on to this powerful message.

These actions—representing your values— are already being magnified in the national and international press including the Jerusalem Post, the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, +972magazine, RT Television and many more.

Stay tuned. You will not be silenced.

Sincerely,


Cecilie Surasky, Deputy Director
Jewish Voice for Peace

 

Mary P. (157)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 5:44 am
John D,
thank you for this story of intense suffering of human beings. Makes one wonder
If these soldiers even have a heart, they are devoid of a soul, that's confirmed
by their inhumane actions and no compassion towards fellow human beings. Its
all about theft, lies, murders and POWER! I so wish people could co- exist, share, love,
and truely care about one another. That's how it was before the evil Zionist Israeli Regime
took Power! Sad very very sad indeed!

Margaret, I share your sentiments!
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 5:52 am
Bob A. addressing Mary said "I don't see in your posts any proof of "Zionist Israeli Regime are the worst State Terrorist and a major threat to world Peace ".

Bob A.
Have you ever heard about the opinion poll that took place last year in the European Union?

The opinion poll, which was released late last year, showed that 59 percent of Europeans surveyed said they thought Israel was a "threat to peace in the world."

More than 7,500 people were surveyed in the poll, which was sponsored and released by the European Commission.

Respondents ranked Iran, North Korea and the United States as posing the second, third and fourth greatest threats to world peace.
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 10:20 am
Abdessalam, wise friend, I still cannot send you a green star. But I want you to know that I thank you for bringing the thread back on your topic and reason for this post.

"We are the 99%"

"We are anonymous. We are legion. We are everywhere. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect Us."

"You cannot kill an idea whose time has come. Expect Us."

The text of the speech by award winning journalist, Chris Hedges, at the Occupy AIPAC protest in Washington, DC.

"The battle for justice in the Middle East is our battle. It is part of the vast, global battle against the 1 percent. It is about living rather than dying. It is about communicating rather than killing. It is about love rather than hate. It is part of the great battle against the corporate forces of death that reign over us -- the fossil fuel industry, the weapons manufacturers, the security and surveillance state, the speculators on Wall Street, the oligarchic elites who assault our poor, our working men and women, our children, one in four of whom depend on food stamps to eat, the elites who are destroying our ecosystem with its trees, its air and its water and throwing into doubt our survival as a species.

What is being done in Gaza, the world's largest open-air prison, is a pale reflection of what is slowly happening to the rest of us. It is a window into the rise of the global security state, our new governing system that the political philosopher Sheldon Wolin calls "inverted totalitarianism." It is a reflection of a world where the powerful are not bound by law, either on Wall Street or in the shattered remains of the countries we invade and occupy, including Iraq with its hundreds of thousands of dead. And one of the greatest purveyors of this demented ideology of violence for the sake of violence, this flagrant disregard for the rule of domestic and international law, is the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC."
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 10:27 am
"I spent seven years in the Middle East. I was the Middle East bureau chief for The New York Times. I lived for two of those seven years in Jerusalem. AIPAC does not speak for Jews or for Israel. It is a mouthpiece for right-wing ideologues, some of whom hold power in Israel and some of whom hold power in Washington, who believe that because they have the capacity to war wage they have a right to wage war, whose loyalty, in the end, is not to the citizens of Israel or Palestine or the United States but the corporate elites, the defense contractors, those who make war a business, those who have turned ordinary Palestinians, Israelis and Americans, along with hundreds of millions of the world's poor, into commodities to exploit, repress and control.

We have not brought freedom, democracy and the virtues of Western civilization to the Muslim world. We have brought state terrorism, massive destruction, war and death. There is no moral distinction between a drone strike and the explosion of the improvised explosive device, between a suicide bombing and a targeted assassination. We have used the iron fist of the American military to implant our oil companies in Iraq, occupy Afghanistan and ensure that the Muslim world remains submissive and compliant. We have supported a government in Israel that has carried out egregious war crimes in Lebanon and Gaza and is daily stealing larger and larger portions of Palestinian land. We have established a network of military bases, some the size of small cities, in Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Kuwait, and we have secured basing rights in the Gulf states of Bahrain, Qatar, Oman and the United Arab Emirates. We have expanded our military operations to Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Egypt, Algeria and Yemen. And no one believes, except perhaps us, that we have any intention of leaving."
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 10:30 am
"And let us not forget that deep inside our secret world of offshore penal colonies, black sites, and torture and interrogation centers, we practice the cruelty and barbarity that always accompanies unchecked imperial power. There were scores of graphic pictures and videos from the prison in Abu Ghraib that were swiftly classified and hidden from public view. And in these videos, as Seymour Hersh reported, mothers who were arrested with their young sons, often children, watched in horror as their boys were repeatedly sodomized. This was filmed. And on the soundtrack you hear the boys shrieking. And the mothers were smuggling notes out to their families saying, "Come and kill us because of what is happening."

We are the biggest problem in the Middle East. It is we who legitimize the Mahmoud Ahmadinejads, suicide bombers and radical jihadists. The longer we drop iron fragmentation bombs and seize Muslim land, the longer we kill with impunity, the more these monsters, reflections of our own distorted image, will proliferate.

"If you gaze into the abyss," Friedrich Nietzsche wrote, "the abyss gazes into you.""
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 10:38 am
"I am no friend of the Iranian regime, which helped create and arm Hezbollah, is certainly meddling in Iraq, has persecuted human rights activists, gays, women and religious and ethnic minorities, embraces racism and intolerance, and uses its power to deny popular will. And yes, it is a regime that appears determined to build a nuclear weapon, although I would stress that no one has offered any proof this is occurring. I have spent time in Iranian jails. I was once deported from Tehran in handcuffs. But I do not remember Iran orchestrating a coup in the United States to replace an elected government with a brutal dictator who for decades persecuted, assassinated and imprisoned democracy activists. I do not remember Iran arming and funding a neighboring state to wage war against our country. Iran never shot down one of our passenger jets, as did the USS Vincennes -- nicknamed Robocruiser by the crews of other American vessels -- when in June 1988 it fired missiles at an Airbus filled with Iranian civilians, killing everyone on board. Iran is not sponsoring terrorist strikes within the United States, as our intelligence services and the Israeli intelligence services currently do in Iran. We have not seen five of our top nuclear scientists since 2007 murdered on American soil. The attacks in Iran include suicide bombings, kidnappings, beheadings, sabotage and "targeted assassinations" of government officials and other Iranian leaders. What would we do if the situation were reversed? How would we react if Iran carried out similar acts of terrorism against us?""
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 10:44 am
"We are, and have long been, the primary engine for radicalism in the Middle East. The greatest favor we can do for democracy activists in Iran, as well as in Iraq, Afghanistan, the Gulf and the states that dot North Africa, is to withdraw our troops from the region and begin to speak to Iranians and the rest of the Muslim world in the civilized language of diplomacy, respect and mutual interests. The longer we cling to the doomed doctrine of permanent war the more we give credibility to the extremists who need, indeed yearn for, an enemy that speaks in the same crude slogans of nationalist cant and violence that they do. The louder the Israelis and their idiot allies in Washington call for the bombing of Iran to thwart its nuclear ambitions, the happier are the morally bankrupt clerics who are ordering the beating and murder of demonstrators. We may laugh when crowds supporting [President] Ahmadinejad call us "the Great Satan," but there is a very palpable reality that informs the terrible algebra of their hatred. And since even the most optimistic scenarios say that any strike on Iranian nuclear installations will at best set back Iran's alleged weapons program by [only] three or four years, we can be sure that violence will beget violence, just as fanaticism begets fanaticism.

The hypocrisy of this vaunted moral crusade is not lost on those in the Middle East. Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Pakistan, India and Israel did not and developed nuclear weapons programs in secret. Israel now has an estimated 400 to 600 nuclear weapons. The word "Dimona," the name of the city where the nuclear facilities are located in Israel, is shorthand in the Muslim world for the deadly Israeli threat to Muslims' existence.""
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 10:50 am
"What lessons did the Iranians learn from our Israeli, Pakistani and Indian allies?

Given that we are actively engaged in an effort to destabilize the Iranian regime, given that we use apocalyptic rhetoric to describe what must be done to the Iranian regime, and given that Israel could obliterate Iran many times over, what do we expect from the Iranians? On top of this, the Iranian regime grasps that the doctrine of permanent war entails making "pre-emptive" and unprovoked strikes. And they know that if Iraq, like North Korea, had had a bomb they would have never suffered American invasion and occupation.

Those in Washington who advocate attacking Iran, knowing as little about the limitations and chaos of war as they do about the Middle East, believe they can cripple nuclear production and neutralize the 850,000-man Iranian army. They should look closely at the 2006 Israeli air campaign in southern Lebanon, which saw Hezbollah victorious and united most Lebanese behind the militant Islamic group. If the massive Israeli bombing of Lebanon failed to pacify 4 million Lebanese, how can we expect to pacify a country of 70 million people? But reality never seems to impinge on the neoconservative universe or the efficacy of its doctrine of permanent war.

I have watched over the years as these neoconservatives have meddled disastrously in the Middle East. The support by neoconservatives of the Israeli right wing -- and I covered Yitzhak Rabin's 1992 campaign for prime minister when prominent AIPAC donors poured money and resources into Likud to defeat Rabin -- is not about Israel. It is about advancing this perverted ideology. Rabin detested these neoconservatives. When he made his first visit to Washington after being elected prime minister he dismissed requests from the lobby for a meeting by telling aides: "I don't speak to scumbags.""
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 10:55 am
"These neoconservatives, who like our own neoconservatives hide behind the rhetoric of patriotism, national security and religious piety, are not wedded to any discernable doctrine other than force. They, like all rabid nationalists, are stunted and deformed individuals, only able to communicate in the language of self-exaltation and violence.

"The nationalist is by definition an ignoramus," the Yugoslav writer Danilo Kiš wrote. "Nationalism is the line of least resistance, the easy way. The nationalist is untroubled, he knows or thinks he knows what his values are, his, that's to say national, that's to say the values of the nation he belongs to, ethical and political; he is not interested in others, they are no concern of his, hell--it's other people (other nations, another tribe). They don't even need investigating. The nationalist sees other people in his own images--as nationalists.""
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 11:01 am
"AIPAC does not drive Middle Eastern policy in the United States. I am afraid it is worse than that. AIPAC is one of an array of powerful and well-funded neoconservative institutions that worship force and drive our relations with the rest of the world. These neoconservatives choose an enemy and then our compliant class of journalists, specialists, military analysts, columnists and television commentators line up to serve as giddy cheerleaders for war. Moments like these always make me embarrassed to be a reporter. Our political elite, Republican and Democrat, finds in this ideology a simple, childish allure. This ideology does not require cultural, historical or linguistic literacy. It reduces the world to black and white, good and evil. The drumbeat for war with Iran sounded by AIPAC is part of this broad, sick, binary vision of a world that can be subjugated by force, a world where all will be made to kneel before these corporate and neoconservative elites, where none, including finally us, will be permitted to whisper dissent.

Pre-emptive war, under post-Nuremberg law, is defined as a criminal act of aggression. George W. Bush, whose disregard for the rule of law was legend, went to the U.N. for a resolution to attack Iraq, although his interpretation of the U.N. resolution as justifying the invasion of Iraq had dubious legal merit. But in this current debate over war with Iran, that pretense of legality is ignored. Where is Israel's U.N. resolution authorizing it to strike Iran? Why isn't anyone demanding that Israel seek one? Why does the only discussion in the media and among political elites center around the questions of "Will Israel attack Iran?" "Can it successfully carry out an attack?" "What will happen if there is an attack?" The essential question is left unasked. Does Israel have the right to attack Iran? And here the answer is very, very clear. It does not. "
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 11:04 am
"These neoconservatives were too blind and too enamored of their own power to see what invading Afghanistan and Iraq would trigger; so too are they unable to comprehend the regional conflagration that would be unleashed by attacking Iran, what it would mean for us, for Israel, for our allies and for tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands, of innocents.

"Where there is no vision, the people perish," the Bible warns."
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 11:08 am
Mary P, of course you don't me anything as well as I don't owe you anything.

But when you tall me to see a " beauty of Islam" I may ask you to tell me in which Islamic country I should look for that beauty. So far, I don't see a single one. May be you do, without the blinders?
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 11:09 am
"And since our elites have no vision it is up to us. The uprisings from Tunisia to Egypt to Greece to Occupy Wall Street to our gathering outside AIPAC's doors in Washington are the same primal struggle for sanity, peace and justice, for a world wrenched free from the grip of those who would destroy it. And the abject fawning of our political elite, including Barack Obama, before AIPAC and its bank account is yet another window into the moral bankruptcy of our political class, another sign that the formal mechanisms of power are useless and broken.

Civil disobedience is all we have left. It is our patriotic duty. We are called to make the cries of mothers, fathers and children in the squalid refugee camps in Gaza, in the suburbs of Tehran and in the bleak industrial wastelands in Ohio heard. We are called to stand up before these forces of death, the purveyors of violence, those whose hearts have grown cold with hatred. We are called to embrace and defend life with intensity and passion if we are to survive as a species, if we are to save our planet from the ravages of corporate greed and the specter of endless and futile war."

The Israeli poet Aharon Shabtai, in his poem "Rypin," translated by Peter Cole, examined what power, force and self-worship do to compassion, justice and human decency. Rypin was the Polish town his father escaped from during the pogroms."
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 11:14 am
"These creatures in helmets and khakis,
I say to myself, aren't Jews,
In the truest sense of the word. A Jew
Doesn't dress himself up with weapons like jewelry,
Doesn't believe in the barrel of a gun aimed at a target,
But in the thumb of the child who was shot at --
In the house through which he comes and goes,
Not in the charge that blows it apart.
The coarse soul and iron first
He scorns by nature.
He lifts his eyes not to the officer, or the soldier
With his finger on the trigger -- but to justice,
And he cries out for compassion.
Therefore, he won't steal land from its people
And will not starve them in camps.
The voice calling for expulsion
Is heard from the hoarse throat of the oppressor --
A sure sign that the Jew has entered a foreign country
And, like Umberto Saba, gone into hiding within his own city.
Because of voices like these, father
At age sixteen, with your family, you fled Rypin;
Now here Rypin is your son."
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 11:19 am
Bee, I think you only call yourself 99%. May be it feels better than way. I know lots of people who hated those who trashed Toronto under cover of protesting world leaders.

Did you really work for "The New York Times'? I mean, they are OK with having someone with such distorted views to write analysis and news? You write very well in style - I have to agree with this, but the content is quite poor.

"We brought terrorism to Islamic countrY"???

"Gaza, the world's largest open-air prison"??? After all Israelis left it in 2005 and it has open border with Egypt?

" Iran is not sponsoring terrorist strikes within the United States"??? A plot to assassinate Saudi ambassador does not count? Hesbola running scams and racketering rings in US, and getting into US drug market are jokes?

"Why does the only discussion in the media and among political elites center around the questions of "Will Israel attack Iran?"? Because Saudis are pushing Israel to do dirty work for them, and because Iran may attack Saudis BEFORE attacking Israel.

"We are, and have long been, the primary engine for radicalism in the Middle East."??? Why then Iranian Ayatollas call US a Great Satan? Because US spirit of Free Enterprize and personal freedoms breaks down the bondages of any official religion, including forced Islam. And that's why Iran wants to get nukes.

Comparing power or AIPAC with a power of filthy rich Saudi lobby is just another joke. Saudi lobby gets whatever it wants, with Obama bowing to Saudi king, while Netaniyahu is sent home before dinner.


 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 11:24 am
http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/AIPAC-Works-for-the-1-Perc-by-Chris-Hedges-120305-344.html

Lackeys of AIPAC, if you read the speech by Chris Edges to Occupy AIPAC, consider the speech our declaration of independence of AIPAC and every destructive thing AIPAC means to the planet and all of its people. Think about this: nothing can remain hidden in this Age of Information. Use your imagination, if you have an unencumbered imagination.

"We are the 99%."

"We are anonymous. We are legion. We are everywhere. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect Us."

"You cannot kill an idea whose time has come."
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 11:34 am
Bob A, all of the text of the speech was written by the speaker, Chris Hedges, who was head of the Mid East bureau of The New York Times for 2 decades. I am not a professional writer. I cannot believe that you do not recognize the work of a professional writer.

Standing in the way of the 99% could be hazardous to your health.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 11:37 am
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"

You cannot currently send a star to Bee because you have done so within the last week.
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 11:40 am
Bob. Saudi, Saudi, Saudi is not the topic of this thread. It is AIPAC.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 12:05 pm
Bee, I recognized the work of a professinal writer - "You write very well in style - I have to agree with this". Chris or no Chris, your writing style is great too. May be you don't have Chris's credentials, but the style of professional writer is there, you can't hide it.

I stand for what I think is right and don't look at the percentages. Besides, 99% is a gross exaggeration - I would put it next to 10% of unemployed and self-destructive folks.

Toronto authority was kind to protesters when they let everyone out - otherwise lots of druggies over there would freeze to death. Canadian winter does not park occupiers.

I consider focus on AIPAC to be a diversion of attention for a serious issue of Saudi lobby, much more rich and powerful, even though it is more secretive and hidden.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 12:09 pm
Mary P, just to add to my previous note: when people suggest me to see a beauty of Communism - my attitude it pretty much the same. I ask them to show me a Communist country where people would be happy to live in.

Take Russia, where Stalin killed more of his own than Russia lost in WW2. Take Campuchea ,where each fourth was executed. Take China of the time of Cultural Revolution. And don't tell me about Utopias.

You want me to believe in "beauty of Islam" - please show me the goods.
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 12:38 pm
Thank you, Bob A., for the compliment on my writing. My under graduate degree is in journalism.

I did not go to Toronto. I have no desire whatever to camp in the Canadian winter. Why would I? The Canadian animals I like to photograph sleep through the winter.

Maybe not 99%. 70% of the population of the US in apathetic in my opinion. 99% of the remaining 30%, no probably 50%. But what is lacking in numbers is made up in valor and resolve. All the environmentalists I know. All of the angry grandmothers, I am one of relatively small group of 29,000, who do want to see their grandchildren burdened by debt or fighting wars that enrich society's worst elements.
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 7:45 pm
Bob, I have been getting more and more irritated by one of your snide remark: "Netaniyahu is sent home before dinner".

I don't not think this is going too far off topic to present this timely article.

Is Bibi the Bully wagging the American dog? by By Pepe Escobar

Even before their fateful encounter at the White House this Monday, US President Barack Obama made it clear, on the record, that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu wouldn't face him down.

Or did he?

No matter what the rhetorical gymnastics performed by Obama, a case can be made that Bibi the Bully wags the American dog full-time. Worse; the Likud-dominated Israeli administration, single-handedly, is playing with dispatching vast spheres of the global economy into total depression, as its hysterics progressively hurl oil prices towards the stratosphere.

The world is a hostage of Israel's whims even as the 120-plus members of the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) support Iran's right to enrich uranium and BRICS members Russia, China and India, as well as Turkey, dismiss the US and the EU's oil embargo -- a true declaration of economic war -- on Iran.

 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 7:50 pm
The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) get-together in Washington takes place in an intimidating, cavernous Colosseum where the wealthy crowd ululates in unison for Iranian blood. A passable tactician but a lousy strategist, Bibi the Bully's only game in town is "Bomb Iran."

This is justified by the "existential threat" posed by non-nuclear Iran to a nuclear-armed garrison state/settler colony that is literally, graphically wiping a whole people (the Palestinians) off the map.

Still one more proof of the "existential threat" fallacy was provided last week by Iran's Supreme Leader himself, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, even before the absolute victory of his supporters in Friday's parliamentary elections -- which effectively turned President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad into a lame duck.
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 7:54 pm
Khamenei's words must be reproduced again and again and again -- because the baying-for-blood US corporate media simply won't do it. He said ...
"The Iranian nation has never pursued and will never pursue nuclear weapons. There is no doubt that the decision makers in the countries opposing us know well that Iran is not after nuclear weapons because the Islamic Republic, logically, religiously and theoretically, considers the possession of nuclear weapons a grave sin and believes the proliferation of such weapons is senseless, destructive and dangerous."
Mr president, tear down this wall

Yet once again, the graphic proof that Israel exercises virtual complete control of US foreign policy was the sight of an American president defensively addressing the AIPAC Colosseum. Apart from a festival of Orwellian intimations, to his credit at least Obama emphasized the word "diplomacy," did not specify any "red lines," nor endorsed the mere "capability" of Iran to build a nuclear weapon as a casus belli. After all, he knows he already has more American Jewish voters in the bag than among the US electorate as a whole.

But ultimately Obama did cave in to Bibi the Bully -- as the rhetoric was not unlike Tony Soprano's and the ominous "military component" remained very much on the table.

Still, Bibi the Bully -- mimicking his voracity in devouring Palestinian land -- wants more.
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 7:57 pm
Whatever route they take -- overflying Syria and Turkey, and even if they hit the crucial targets of Natanz, Arak, Isfahan and Fordow -- Israel's Jericho missiles have zero chances of paralyzing, not to mention destroying, the complex decision apparatus of the Islamic Republic. Forget about "humiliation" and regime change. Even Major General Amos Gilad, head of the Israeli Defense Ministry's Diplomatic-Security Bureau, acknowledged last October that Israel cannot win. That's why Bibi the Bully badly wants to extract a formal promise that the US will do the dirty work.

According to a recent poll in Israel, 34% are against bombing Iran. But 42% are in favor if the US is at least supporting it. How sweet it is to enroll a superpower to fight your fictional "existential threats."

Bibi the Bully badly wants a Republican to take out Obama in November. Obama knows he can't be defeated by King of Flip Flop Mitt Romney or Ayatollah Rick Santorum. But he can be defeated by the proverbial US gas pump. The problem is, submitting or not to Bibi the Bully's absolutist demands, oil prices go up; they have already have by 20%, and this growth may reach 50% or more if speculators deem an attack imminent.
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 8:01 pm
Tehran may hold the key to defuse the whole psychodrama -- and the demented speculation on oil prices. By late March or early April, with his authority immensely strengthened, negotiators on behalf of Ayatollah Khamenei will be back on the table discussing the nuclear dossier with the P5+1 - US, France, Britain, Russia and China, plus Germany.

Obama himself may also hold the key. He could pull a Nixon -- as in going to China to meet Mao in 1972 -- and offer a face-to-face to Khamenei. The industrial-military-media complex, Big Oil, the Israeli firsters and especially Bibi the Bully will be seeing all shades of red. But it does take balls to really earn a Nobel Peace Prize. Obama, will you tear down this wall (of mistrust)?

This is the section of Obama's speech at AIPAC centered on Iran:
"Today there is no doubt -- anywhere in the world -- that the United States will insist upon Israel's security and legitimacy. That will also be true as we continue our efforts to our pursuit of peace. And that will be true when it comes to the issue that is such a focus for all of us today: Iran's nuclear program -- a threat that has the potential to bring together the worst rhetoric about Israel's destruction with the world's most dangerous weapons.
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 8:05 pm
etc. etc. etc.

Bibi was not dismissed without dinner.

Pepe Escobar is the roving correspondent for Asia Times. His regular column, "The Roving Eye," is widely read. He is an analyst for the online news channel Real News. He argues that the world has become fragmented into "stans" -- we are now living (more...)

http://www.opednews.com/articles/3/Is-Bibi-the-Bully-wagging-by-Pepe-Escobar-120306-427.html
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Tuesday March 6, 2012, 10:47 pm
While being accused of things such as having no concern for human life when it comes to Jews or Christians, I am the one that knows the name of every single Israeli child that has died unnecessary in this madness. I am ashamed that I do not know the same of Palestinian children, as the body count is just too high to know.

Margaret, you are a beautiful soul. I feel that knowing you is a special gift.
 

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Wednesday March 7, 2012, 2:41 am
http://www.libe.ma/Point-de-vue-Les-Etats-Unis-et-le-lobby-juif_a25599.html?preaction=nl&id=14048085&idnl=108360&

Point de vue : Les Etats-Unis et le lobby juif


L’histoire se répète et se confirme. Les Américains sont un jouet docile entre les mains d’Israël, et ne peuvent rien entreprendre qui contrarierait leur grand allié, leur protégé trop choyé.
L’occasion nous est fournie cette fois-ci dans le conflit avec l’Iran qui développerait une arme nucléaire. Il reste à distinguer le vrai du faux dans l’entreprise iranienne. Téhéran dispose-t-elle réellement du savoir-faire nécessaire, et surtout de l’intention de se doter de moyens nucléaires offensifs ou s’agit-il uniquement de créer un épouvantail pour faire peur à ses ennemis et particulièrement Israël ? Si tel est le cas, les dirigeants au pouvoir en Iran manquent d’habileté. Pour tout dire, ils ne sont pas astucieux, pour ne pas dire intelligents. Ils ne font que donner du grain à moudre justement aux Israéliens qui trouvent là un moyen inespéré de détourner l’attention sur leur politique d’agression permanente en terre palestinienne. En plus de créer un climat de tension dans la région.
Le Premier ministre israélien Benyamin Netanyahou qui entreprend actuellement une visite aux Etats-Unis veut en profiter pour presser l’Administration américaine de lui donner le feu vert afin de lancer une offensive contre l’Iran et notamment ses installations nucléaires, particulièrement celles réputées « inviolables ». S’agit-il de la part d’Israël comme d’ailleurs de l’Iran du jeu du poker menteur ? En n’encourageant pas l’idée d’une attaque israélienne éventuelle contre l’Iran, on ne sait jamais, les Etats-Unis veulent éviter de se trouver impliqués dans une aventure aux conséquences inconnues étant donné la géopolitique de la région.
C’est pourquoi, le Président américain a décidé de profiter des assises de l’AIPAC, l’organisation du lobby juif aux Etats-Unis, pour lancer un ultime avertissement à l’Iran et le dissuader de poursuivre son projet nucléaire offensif, et de se conformer enfin aux résolutions de l’Agence d’énergie nucléaire de Vienne.
Les Israéliens affirment craindre que les Etats-Unis se montrent peu enthousiastes et pas assez énergiques face à Téhéran maintenant que la Corée du Nord qui, elle, dispose réellement d’une arme nucléaire, a fait part de son intention de geler son arsenal et d’entamer son ouverture sur l’extérieur. Il reste à souligner qu’Israël qui remue ciel et terre sur le projet nucléaire iranien fait l’impasse sur son propre arsenal nucléaire qui est, lui, opérationnel. Dans son centre de Daimona dans le désert du Néguev, Israël dispose de quelque 200 bombes atomiques prêtes à l’emploi. L’explication fournie par les Israéliens comme par leurs alliés est que cet arsenal permet à Israël de se défendre contre ses ennemis, c’est-à-dire les pays arabes alentours, le cas échéant. Une explication pour le moins guère convaincante et donc peu crédible quand on sait que les pays arabes ne disposent pas d’armes nucléaires et de surcroit leur armement défensif classique est bien inférieur en nombre et en qualité que à d’Israël. Sans compter que les Etats-Unis sont toujours là pour voler au secours de leur protégé en cas de besoin. S’il y a un pays qui constitue réellement un danger dans la région du Proche-Orient, c’est bien Israël à cause de sa politique belliqueuse et de spoliation.
Ainsi et pour la énième fois, les Nations unies viennent de dénoncer la mainmise des Israéliens sur les grottes de la région de la Mer morte, expulsant des milliers de Palestiniens.
Le Bureau de coordination pour les affaires humanitaires dans les territoires occupés a annoncé que la région en question n’est plus autorisée aux Palestiniens, soit pour y habiter ou y mener des activités d’intérêt public. De ce fait, les pertes économiques des Palestiniens sont estimées à un milliard de dollars annuellement.
L’agression perpétuelle des Israéliens contre les Palestiniens ne connaît pas de limite. Ils ont fait récemment irruption dans la télévision éducative palestinienne s’emparant des équipements à défaut de les détruire.
On se demande quelle justification vont trouver encore les soutiens et alliés d’Israël à ce comportement barbare de leur protégé.
 

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Wednesday March 7, 2012, 4:35 am
Bee - What a nice thing to say. Thank you, I am overwhelmed.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Wednesday March 7, 2012, 7:09 am
Thank you be for what you posted here to teach someone who in my opinion is unteachable.Still unable to send you a green star.You deserve at least 9 green stars one for each comment.Thanks again .My limited vocabulary is not enabling me to express my gratitude.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Wednesday March 7, 2012, 9:10 am
Occupy AIPAC

Video

Occupy Wall Street Activists Disrupt Sen. Levin in AIPAC Conference Final Plenary:
Don't Bomb Iran, Equality for Palestinians.

[http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?
 

Mary P. (157)
Thursday March 8, 2012, 9:49 am
Bob, "You want me to believe in "beauty of Islam" -

Please!! What makes YOU Feel I care what YOU believe???
Hatemongers don't want to be educated; they are only interested in denying
The truth and demonising whole countries for deeds of a handful extremists!!
 

Mary P. (157)
Thursday March 8, 2012, 10:24 am
Bob, Btw what part of Bee's "Bob. Saudi, Saudi, Saudi is not the topic of this thread. It is AIPAC.", don't
You understand ? Your strategy of 'Diversions and distractions' are Not Working!
Give it up! Keep to the topic or move back to your 'favorite' sites : islam
Hate Sites!!
 

Betsy Bee (1060)
Thursday March 8, 2012, 12:23 pm
Bob, we all know your talent for going off topic. So, I would like your comment on newly developed untested Israeli weapons being found in Syria.

"Weapons from Israel used for First Time in Baba Amro

For his part, Syrian expert in strategic affairs Salim Harba pointed out that Baba Amro neighborhood and the areas surrounding it were emptied from the armed groups’ organizational as well as command structures with minimum army and civilian casualties, as the area was mainly concentrated by gunmen.

Speaking to Al-Manar website, Harba said that “the captured gunmen held Arab nationalities, including Gulf, Iraqi, and Lebanese… among them were also Qatari intelligence agents and non-Arab fighters from Afghanistan, Turkey, and some European countries like France.

“The Syrian army also uncovered tunnels and equipments there,” he added, pointing out that “advanced Israeli, European, and American arms that have not yet been tested in the countries of manufacture, in addition to Israeli grenades, night binoculars, and communication systems were confiscated by the security forces.”

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30739.htm
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Friday March 9, 2012, 7:01 am
Bee,John,Mary,Margaret
When you have a goal and you are walking to achieve this goal,be careful and continue walking .Don't give a chance to a barking dog to stop you.You are going to win at the end of the day despite the barking dogs.This is exactly what I do when I see silly comments comming from Bob A.
 

Stella AWAY W. (258)
Sunday April 1, 2012, 4:08 am
Kudos to all for the information and commentes shared! 'AIPAC' and 'democracy' does not go 'hand in hand' in any one sentence!
 
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