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US Politics & Gov't  (tags: worldwide hippies, republicans, democrats, government )

Joseph
- 1379 days ago - worldwidehippies.com
The disconnect between the actions of the government and public opinion is the central fact of American politics today. It doesn't seem to matter whether



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Carol H. (229)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 7:43 am
thanks Joseph, noted
 

Hans Mueller (591)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 8:08 am
Thank you Joseph. This is one of the finest political articles that I've read in quite some time. The question in my mind is how to "effectively" mobilize?

"If this analysis is correct, then the crisis of American politics is not a matter of finding this or that philosopher-king to run for office. In the present environment of organizational weakness and plutocratic power, it is not clear that leaders as great as Lincoln or Franklin Roosevelt would be able to get things done.

If America is to be rescued, the American people must be mobilized. But in today's America, the money is mobilized and the people are not."

 

Debbie Johnson (116)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 10:13 am
Twas ever thus...and this is exactly what has made me jaded and disillusioned for a long, long time...
 

Care For All (46)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 10:22 am
SEE THIS ENLIGHTENING ARTICLE!

Full Report: The Economic Elite Vs. The People of the United States of America
http://ampedstatus.com/full-report-the-economic-elite-vs-the-people-of-the-united-states-of-america#comment-225616

The article covers the following topics:
I: Casualties of Economic Terrorism, Surveying the Damage

II: The Rise of the Economic Elite

III: Exposing Our Enemy: Meet the Economic Elite

IV: The Financial Coup d’Etat 

V: Overcoming the Divide and Conquer Strategy

VI: How to Fight Back and Win: Common Ground Issues That Must Be Won

Quote from the report:
“It has now become evident to a critical mass that the Republican and Democratic parties, along with all three branches of our government, have been bought off by a well-organized Economic Elite who are tactically destroying our way of life. The harsh truth is that 99% of the US population no longer has political representation. The US economy, government and tax system is now blatantly rigged against us.”

“In our nation’s history, the stakes have never been higher. It is vital that we recognize the urgent gravity of the situation. What happens over the next few years will determine the fate of our very way of life, of our families’ very existence. We have been attacked, and we are now at war. This is the unfortunate reality of our current crisis.”
 

Care For All (46)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 10:24 am
This is about corporate greed, corruption and control, special interests, and pay-to-play lobbying. We need to focus on fighting corporate and political corruption to preserve our future!

We can TAKE ACTION:

1. OpenSecrets.org - find how much your Senators and Representatives have received from corporate interests here:
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/index.php

2. MAPlight.org - http://maplight.org/ MAPLight.org makes connections between money and politics transparent, to help citizens hold their legislators accountable. It tracks money and influence in the U.S. Congress and the California legislature, with more states to come.

3. Use the OpenSecrets and MAPlight.org websites to find out how much money your Senators and Representatives have received. Share what you have found out with the media, on blogs, facebook, Twitter, etc.

4. CALL AND WRITE TO YOUR SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES. Confront those who are corrupt. HOLD YOUR LEGISLATORS ACCOUNTABLE. You can find your legislators’ contact information here: http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml

5.Sign the FIGHT WASHINGTON CORRUPTION pledge and ask your legislators to sign it also.
http://www.fightwashingtoncorruption.com/

6. Take a look at: MoveOn.org
http://www.moveon.org/about.html
Quote: MoveOn.org is “a way for busy but concerned citizens to find their political voice in a in a system dominated by big money and big media.”

Please spread the word!

 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 10:27 am
noted,thanx
 

Ramona Thompson (210)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 10:45 am
Send a Green Star to Care For All
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Care For because you have done so within the last week.

Those in power want us to feel helpless and hopeless. They want us to feel there is no other way and that we must cave to their demands.

(I speak about ALL Parties. They will all sell their mothers for the right price given time.)
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 10:49 am
Imagine '72
 

Marti Williams (170)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 10:51 am
People thought I was crazy 20=25 years ago when I said that it didn't matter who was in power....it was who controlled the money....Conspiricy theory you're Damn right...give the populace a few bones...and the shut up and manipulate the money markets...well...it has now come home to roost...it's a whole lot like the time of the French Revolution...And when it happens...it's gonna be a real 'hot timr in the ole town'
 

patricia lasek (317)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 10:57 am
It is a sad state of affairs. It has only been escalated as a result of SCOTUS' decision earlier this year.

Has anyone heard any politician calling for this to be overturned?
 

Terry King (108)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 11:06 am
I am very disheartened at this point. Two years ago I was very hopeful that we were moving in the right direction but now I'm almost embarrassed to say that I bought in to "Audacity of Hope" and " Change we can Believe In".
 

Trish K. (93)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 11:06 am
Amen & Awomen
 

SAM LOVES PETER H. (143)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 11:07 am
MAY GOD BLESS US EVERYONE ...
YES I AGREE HANS ... WE REALLY
DO NEED TO BE RESCUED BUT ...
GREED & CORRUPTION RULES
HERE AND UNTIL IT STOPS ... WE
ARE IN DEEP DOO DOO !!!!!!! I ALSO
BELIEVE THET PEOPLE ... TRULY
FORGOT JUST HOW TO PRAY
SINCERELY AND WITHOUT MALICE
OF FORETHOUGHT AND UNTIL THAT
GETS RESOLVED ... WELL WE REALLY
ARE UP THE PREVERBAL CREEK
WITHOUT A PADDLE. EEEK !!!!!!!!!
 

Debbie Johnson (116)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 11:08 am
"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it." ~ John Lennon ~

Thanks, John Cause...


 

Jane H. (134)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 11:13 am
it is good so many people care about what's going on and can actually see what is happening!!
 

Patricia N. (41)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 11:31 am
Very, very interesting article.
 

Toni C. (508)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 11:33 am
Very disheartening, but this is something we discussed in college back in the 1980's. We could see the changing of the tide even back then... and I kept telling people, the middle class in America was being destroyed... they would be known as the "new poor". Yes, we are up the proverbial creek without a paddle and the "have nots" have become the yoke around the necks of those who have the power to destroy us. They can preach religion and say they're worshipping God, but if you stand back and and really look at the situation, God has no place in their lives.. it's all about money and power. God help the poor man....
 

Alicia v. (181)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 11:35 am
The same in most of the countries, mine at least is the same, plus higher taxes by the minute, we are having a ball let me tell you. Good luck to all.
 

AniMae Chi (407)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 11:44 am
Thanx SueB for fwd.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 11:48 am
Truly we can do without allot of items that are not necessities, it's the matter of getting enough people together to make a noticeable difference. You might even find out how great simplicity can be in life!!
 

Ge M. (217)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 11:52 am
I don't think any government really runs a country for the sake of its citizens. Most are corrupt, just to different degrees, and a few do it just for the sake of power.

 

Meghan Molnar (8)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 11:58 am
Noted, sadly.

Can we change?

What about our fellow Americans who believe the propaganda of the elite evil doers? They are not entirely to fault in their ignorance of the situation since all this is done in shadow and in lies but they believe the lies nonetheless and resist actions that benefit them and support actions that are at risk of harming our country and democracy. Those are the people these politicians hold up as reference and say " See what the American people want"

This divide has plotted people who should be on the same side against each other. It is nefarious and depressing that such evil can have such in impact. I wish good would win out more. :(
 

Gloria picchetti (290)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 11:58 am
I am in disconnect mode. Nothing gets through to policy makers except $ which I am losing everday. Frankly I gave up.
 

. (0)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 12:00 pm
So the question is: How to mobilze the people?
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 12:03 pm
Thank you Hans. We need to turn this around. Many do not know about Link TV and Democracy Now news program on Link TV. You can get European news as well as Mid-East News, and also BBC has a better coverage than most of our TV news that are all owned by the same people with an agenda. I will not mention who because I have done so many many times and I think it turns people off. Maybe Google who owns the network news and one can learn a lot. It does make a big difference what the NEWS tells people as they consume it like spaghetti. How can we get people to learn how to listen critically. Oh well, maybe it is hopeless.
 

Hans Mueller (591)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 12:03 pm
Guess the jury has returned. There is no hope. We must simply accept our fate. The only question remaining is, should one move to Canada, Mexico or some other location? Canada is a beautiful counrty with lots of friendly folks. One can live in Mexico on verry little income. Ah then there is Paris. Now things are starting to look up.
 

Patricia Myers (77)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 12:15 pm
thankyou noted
 

Janet G. (109)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 12:25 pm
This is the same agenda everywhere, the meeting of the great elite minds and has been moving steadily along and now very quickly. It seems we are becoming conditioned to it now. Moving won't protect us for long as the United States will soon merge with Mexico and Canada and become the North American Union.
 

Mike H. (221)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 12:30 pm
This is true. Both major parties loot the country and the people when they are in power. I am an independent now. We have to fight them every step.
 

Colin Hope (244)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 12:35 pm
Noted and signed!!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 12:51 pm
Whose side are you on Joseph - You are a smoothie!!!!! You claim that the situation is not the result of a sinister conspiracy by a single unity - all powerful and diabolical elitist - but the mass membership organization that once represented ordinary Americans - excuse me but was that not the government of the US? which you say now has been replaced by elite organizations that raise money for the billionaires. Ask the Chamber of Commerce who infused soooooo much money into the elections without having to say where it came from. To me there are too many lobbyists that line the pockets of most politicians to push their agendas in the senate. And who are these elite organizations ? Spit out some names and maybe we will think twice about your comments. I know that some of you think that this message by Joseph is so wonderful but where are the answers?
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 12:52 pm
Noted and signed.

I know I live in the USA but look around and see what is really made or anything else from the USA it is like we live in so many other countries I can't count.
 

Dave Colorado (11)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 12:53 pm
We The People accepted the republic-destroying Federal Reserve Act, the National Security Act, the JFK assassination, the Oklahoma City bombing, and 9/11, all without complaint (in fact, we turned to the same corrupt government that had betrayed us, in fear!). Clearly there is something wrong with deluded deceived disinformed We The People. That said, if the evil greedy powers that be did not, in turn, suppress us, there would be something wrong with them. (Bush v. Gore was a judicial coup d'etat. 9/11 was a military coup d'etat. The massive corporate bailouts was a financial coup d'etat! We The People said/did nothing...)

The technological (energy) secret behind ""Ground Zero"" -- definitely a new energy paradigm, almost certainly fissionless fusion energy -- has the potential to solve virtually all of our civilization's energy, economic, and ecological concerns. A government of, by, and for We The People would have a Department of Energy (...corporations cannot be trusted, they just want to profit from Us... when someone says that the solution to our problems is "to privatize", that's asking for a system that is of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations, which is fascism!) that used this technology to make energy rather inexpensively. To prevent market chaos, this energy would be sold at only slightly below market rates, in order to provide a small incentive, and this an orderly migration, away from deprecated energy sources (including all forms of Earth-fouling combustion) That cost/price difference would mean that Our government would return a profit! IOW, the government would no longer have any excuse for trying to tax the income of working people! (Those who used the most energy would, in effect, pay the most 'taxes', and conversely.)

This would emancipate individuals on a scale that even Lincoln could probably never even dream of...!!!

This would not eliminate energy corporations, at least not right away. (Who misses buggy whip manufacturers today?) The Powers That Be would not like it, but they've been allowed by Us to act like they've owned the planet (and Reps and Dems) for quite long enough already -- and look at what a mess they've made of Our planet!!

It really doesn't matter if this idea is picked up and carried forth by the corrupt Reps and Dems or by another political party (or via revolution). Anger/blowback over 9/11 and other scams, plus recognizing and publicly harnessing the energy secret of ""Ground Zero"", _is_ the way out.

But it's about the idea, not about any individual (brave assassinatable) 'leader'. The power truly rests with We The People, who, sadly, have (been lied to and misled on an unimaginable scale, and) abdicated...
 

Susan S. (191)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 12:57 pm
Apathy and indifference are conflictual to democratic process. When people believe that they can make a difference then mobilization and participation will be easy to achieve. Overcoming apathy is part of the answer.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 12:59 pm
"Many Americans have come to the conclusion that nobody represents them in Washington anymore. They are right."

Indeed, they are.
 

Mary Alexander (23)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 1:01 pm
This article was right on. We have been saying this for a very long time. I am just not sure how to correct it. I wish I did. Thanks for the article.
 

Hans Mueller (591)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 1:08 pm
So true Susan.
 

Dotti Lydon (116)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 1:11 pm
Noted and thanks, Joseph
 

Janyce S. (12)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 1:14 pm
Noted thanks
 

Crystal T. (20)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 1:19 pm
Yep, we traded in democracy for an oligarchy decades ago and now the wealthy don't even have to make any bones about treading on the American people. There is no real choice between Democrats and Republicans -- they both represent the rich -- Obama has been the most recent proof of that. Hopefully, people will wake up and stop playing this game before it's too late and they have nothing. If there is one thing that Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and even Iraq can teach us is that the most powerful militaries in the world can kill individuals but they can't defeat the will of the people. But when the will of the people is silent or broken, this is what we get. If people want Washington to represent them, they have to stand up and take it back (that's what the damn right wing is doing) -- the internet is a great equalizer for that, and is why the powers that be are trying to shut its independence down.
 

KrassiAWAY B. (175)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 1:28 pm
Agree with Alicia V.: "The same in most of the countries". Noted, thank you Hans.
 

Carol Dreeszen (364)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 1:52 pm
Noted and Thanks Hans!
 

pam M. (98)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 2:33 pm
Our government has never worked, it has always been a facade and a lie. It was never "for the people by the people" this was lip service and nothing more. The elite have always run the country and we are merely worker drones in a hive run by the elitist bee keepers.

We've been fooled and bamboozled into thinking that we actually had some say so regarding our very lives and futures for centuries. Only due to the exceptional leaps and bounds of technology have the citizenry been able to have their eyes pried opened to the debauchery and treachery of those we have placed in charge of our well being. Believe me the internet is not a welcome venue to our politicians or media.

Greed of power and money are the pulls of political office, not doing "what's right" this is another of America's great perpetuated lies. We are treated, and act, like sheep who shy away from holding OUR EMPLOYEES accountable for their actions or in-actions. Call them on the carpet and dismiss their sorry butts, when they fall short! That's what would happen if the roles were reversed. How many employers do you know would put up with the BS we taxpayers do? Not a hell of a lot.

And people please stop believing every lie you're spoon fed by the corporate run media. Use your brain, think for yourself, look between the lies and lines. ALL media venues are corporate run, beholden to their stock holders and board members not their audience or readership. They do and have lied daily to us all, printing and reporting only what is of interest to their corporations and their agendas.
 

Allan Yorkowitz (453)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 2:59 pm
I have little to add with all of the above. For decades this country has been influenced by big business, and their lobbyists.
 

Hans Mueller (591)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 3:03 pm
How's this for a really nutty idea? Liberals, moderates and conservatives unite to fight for changes supported by all. What a powerful force that would be. The politicians would have no place to hide and the elite divide and conquer tactics would fail. Oh but are there any common grounds and can we all put aside our differences for a moment? Guess I'd throw in abolishing the Federal Reserve for starters. Told you that it was a nutty idea.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 3:12 pm
Sad state of affairs, this. Reminds one of the old saw, "The price of democracy is constant vigilence."

The article's first sentence is hautingly true of Canada as well, "The disconnect between the actions of the government and public opinion is the central fact of American politics today."
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (273)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 3:27 pm
Thanks Joseph
 

Lyn Z. (294)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 3:32 pm
Noted
 

Barbara K. (84)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 3:43 pm
I still think that we, the citizens, need to group together and find and make jobs for ourselves. There are plenty of businesses closed up. How about the people that did work there forming a co-op and re-opening them, the knowledge is there, and the government fund the start-up of operations instead of bailing out big businesses or banks. We started this country once and we can do it again. Keep the big corps out of everything. Then sell to Americans again so we can buy American again. We can do it if we just have the will to do it. It may take a while, but, hey we have people out of work and they would have plenty of time to make up plans to start up businesses, just need to get the government financing out of the hands of big corps and into the hands of new businesses starting up and worker-owned and operated. We are wasting a lot of talent so how about it?
 

Dandelion G. (387)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 3:44 pm
I think the following two lines in the article summed it up.

Many Americans have come to the conclusion that nobody represents them in Washington anymore. They are right.

If America is to be rescued, the American people must be mobilized. But in today's America, the money is mobilized and the people are not.
 

. (0)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 3:50 pm
Actions speak louder than words. There are Representatives for us, but we have no Voice. They cannot or will not hear us.
 

Judith C. (110)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 4:12 pm
thanks, noted
 

Kathy Chadwell (367)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 4:31 pm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x174288

Enter Dennis Kucinich, Democratic congressman from Ohio, former Mayor of Cleveland, and candidate for President in 2004. There is not a single polling indicator that puts him above ten percent support at this point, and he managed only a 1% showing in the Iowa caucuses. Pragmatism dictates that he is merely tilting at windmills, but a closer look reveals something far different in play.

I spent Friday to Sunday on the eve of the Iowa caucuses in a giant red van with the Kucinich campaign as he stumped in a dozen cities all across the state. In speech after speech, Dennis Kucinich railed against the sorry lot of the American worker, the pale shadow that is health care in this country, the deteriorating state of the environment, and the war in Iraq. These were themes that, by and large, were echoed by virtually every other candidate running in the state. The difference, however, is that Kucinich owned a moral authority and clarity of policy on these matters that most of the other candidates would die for. He is untainted by corporate funding, and has practiced what he preaches for the duration of his career. The other candidates, each one, are excellent individuals in their own right. But there is just something extra happening with Dennis.

He is the only candidate in this race hitting hard against NAFTA and the WTO. He is the only candidate promising, with details attached, to establish universal single-payer health care for everyone in America. He is the only candidate attacking the deranged nature of the bloated Pentagon budget, and has sworn an oath to clean that house to pay for his social programs. Drawing on the lessons of Vietnam, a conflict which dragged on because we were too proud to leave when we should have, he has crafted a detailed plan to get our troops home within 90 days. This, like the other policies, sets him apart. Through it all is a cry for the worker, the forgotten American worker, and the family, and the soul of the nation entire.
 

Philip Heinlein (472)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 4:37 pm
The average American has been "dumbed down" so much that only a sound bite gets through. There's not much hope unless people turn off their TVs and video games and start learning what's going on.
 

Jae A. (323)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 4:44 pm

We are not near the edge, we have jumped off and are free falling with no safety net below. That's reality of our current U.S. situation. You can turn around and magically fly back to the edge much less far back from it once you are in free fall. To think are are anything but that is delusional I believe. The most we can hope for is a less fatal blow once the free fall has met it destination..the bottom.

Unite the politicians..I think that the saying "We're either with us or against us' was set in stone by the Neocon GOP and their supporters during the Dubya Bush days ,so I doubt there will be any unity until we see who and how we survive after the free fall has ended...at the bottom. Which from the looks of things in Congress that could be very very soon now.
 

Teresa K. (33)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 4:45 pm
Noted thanks.
 

Jae A. (323)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 4:46 pm
Thanks Joseph for the posting !

Happy New Year everyone.
 

Carmen S. (69)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 5:06 pm
Hogwash. It most certainly does matter who controls Congress. And yes it is the money, wealthy, Greedy, Hungry, I want more, more. REPUBLICANS.
I am sick and tired of people saying one side is as bad as the other side. I have been voting for 62 years and always tried to find out the isssues. Republicans have always sided with the rich. Always, The Democrats have always sided for the people.
Every good bill that has been passed for the people have been passed by Democrats, that is why most of the time the Democrats have been in power.
But it took Bush 8 years to almost killl our country. We are so deep in the hole it will not be easy to come out. But people are stupid and expect a Democratic Gov. to get us out in one Year.

Next year will be bad because they will control one side of the Congress and when 2012 comes if people put tem in controle of Congress watch the US become a third world country. I pray those people who keep saying both sides are the same will finally open their eyes and realize who is on their side.
God Bless America. and God Help the American people.
 

Fran F. (111)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 5:13 pm
Barbara 's comments about co-op businesses reminded me of what I read some time ago about the Ohio Employee Ownership Center at Kent State, which has saved thousands of jobs in Ohio in the last few decades. The OEOC site has a video on the Evergreen Cooperative Initiative, which so far includes 3 Cleveland co-op-owned businesses: the Evergreen Cooperative Laundry, Ohio Cooperative Solar, and Green City Growers Cooperative.

http://www.oeockent.org/index.php/for-business-owners/cooperatives/125
 

Sharon Seltzer (124)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 5:21 pm
An excellent representation about the status of American politics.
 

Bonnie A. (76)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 5:23 pm
Thanks Joseph! The adventure is about to begin!
 

Harry Schneider (43)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 5:44 pm
Thanks Joseph. I agree with Sheryl, about the two most important statements of the article. For me as half German, half American some things might be easier to see, as for someone living in the U.S. (I`m living in Germany). I believe that one important issue is the wrong sight of many Americans living in the U.S. on their own country. They still hold on to false ideals and dreams, that have been planted in their emotions, without realizing the reality. Americans are very easy to manipulate, due to their strong emotional behavior, that to often cuts off reason. There are some buttons (like the overexaggerated nationalism, and their proudness on the military) you just have to push, and they all stand quiet, with tears in the eyes, without thinking, without questioning what is really going on. They just fade out some aspects of reality, and politicians know that weakness very well, that makes it easy for them to play on that piano. That also is the reason for the growing of an institution like the "tea party", I just listend to two or three of their clips at YouTube, and there it was again, patriotical rhetoric pushing emotions. If you critically question their arguments, you sometimes have to laugh about their naive sight of reality, which mostly is so simplified, that it is just wrong.
It is not enough to have some hundred of us, as the active kernel of care2, communicating here and taking care, while the majority of Americans is still dreaming of "the good ole glory America" and not willing to open the eyes. Because then they were forced to accept some very ugly realities, that do not fit in their dream of America`s role. It is time to throw the old ideals away, as the world has dramatically changed in the last 20 years, and to adapt more reality in the new role. It doesn`t steal your American identity, if you see yourself as one country among many others, we live in a global world today and many issues are related to many countries, not just one.

And I have a suggestion for a very good start, that could also help a long gaping wound to heal. Americans have never adressed the crimes they commited towards the American Indians, which still suffer today. America likes to put the finger on others, Germany for example. Every week I can see an article that refers to the German Nazis, whenever something that should be considered as very bad, the Nazi is being put in front. Germany has paid until today longer and more money than any other country in the world for war repair. My generation, and I`m half German has nothing to do with this crimes and didn`t support that in any way and I think that German have learned their lessons well. America has killed roughly 5 times more Indians, than Jews were killed by Hitler and his terror-government. And to be clear, I do not want to trivialize the killing in any form, for me every dead person is one dead to much! But I believe that it is time for America to grow up, not to look at the glory, but to take a look at all the mistakes. Mistakes have a positive aspect too - you can learn from them, if you are willing to. Once such a new sight has taken place in a majority of people, a lot of that emotional tricks that Palin and other political forces are using, won`t work any more. In my belief this would be a great step forward for the American society, and it would be much more honest.
 

Vivien Green (150)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 5:51 pm
Noted Thank you Joseph and Hans
 

Robert B. (57)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 6:20 pm
It's no longer "We the People" , it's "We the manipulated". Run over by the Corporate Greedy!
 

Crystal T. (20)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 6:22 pm
If you are upset by the truths in this article, now is time to take action and start taking back your country... and I don't mean by the silly crap the Tea Party idiots are spewing (those who probably couldn't really tell you want the whole tea party was about)...

MoveOn.org mentioned in another post here is a good place to start.

Another is. DemocracyforAmerica.com -- something we don't have any more... look up oligarchy, that's what we have right now -- that's what our American dream has turned into by the billionaires in charge of ludicrous big business.

And important is to sign this petition right now:
http://www.democracyforamerica.com/activities/419?t=eshare

Middle class and unemployed must not be held hostage by the greedy wealthy who cry that things must be paid for upfront before giving the unemployed subsistence money but they have no problem depriving our budget or helping to fix the deficit with the tax cut money they want to keep. And if you give them their way and give the wealthy their tax cuts, in a few months, they'll be saying, oops we forgot we have to pay for unemployment benefits, let's cut medicare, social security and health care to pay for it.

Think about it.... they wanted to make their tax cuts PERMANENT so you can never revisit it and get them to pay their fair share to get us out of the deficit. But they want to use the large deficit to blugeon poor people into getting nothing. And their idea of compromise? The wealthy get to keep their thousands or millions of dollars for THE NEXT TWO YEARS while they are only giving the couple hundred dollars each unemployed gets for ONE YEAR AND ONE MONTH. Are you going to sit back and let them do this to you?
 

Shirley S. (174)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 6:37 pm
Who will write the book on "The Rise & Fall of the American Empire" ????
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 6:41 pm
Noted, thanks Joseph. Tis a sad sad state of affairs. I think the US started to die the same day JFK did. The American dream has turned into a nightmare.
 

Sir Walk F. (124)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 7:01 pm
How America will collapse (by 2025)

http://www.care2.com/news/member/281888439/2670210
 

Gloria H. (88)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 7:14 pm
tried retiring to Mexico. Not fluent in Spanish, isolated in culture, not fitting in with other American/Canadian former military ex-pats. Neither of us was wealthy enough to own/rent a big house there and "live like kings", nor did we want to. Mexican government, cops and laws were kind of sketchy- I think scarier than here. We went slinking back to America...great to be able to just converse with someone, be able to go to a non-Catholic church, not see a crumbling infrastructure, have access to public libraries, not have to watch our wallets/purse or being scammed .

I really thought Obama meant change, do the right thing for the poor, gays, and end the war but the damned Repubs fought every step of the way.(cept the war thing.$$$$$.) Then the tea party with their yappy ankle biting jumping into the fray.
I agree with Olivia, somewhere in the 60's we lost our collective soul, our idealism, and went in mass whoreing after our own places in corporate owned America.
 

Michael Carney (209)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 7:49 pm
Well, it's totally true...However we the people are also to blame...We don't hold out Congressmen/Womaen, and Senators accountable, for what they do there in Washington...A majority of people don't vote, so it's easier for them to do what they want...they know more people are paying attention to and are more concerned about American Idol, Dancing with the Stars, The Bachelor, Jersey Shore, and stupid nonsense like that...We've given the Fox( No pun intended) the keys to the Hen House so what do we expect they're going to do? It's time for We The People, to take the keys back, or else it's only going to get worse...
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 8:03 pm
noted and Hans, your comments are right, but there is a way to fix it....it's not different than any other broken corporation...i built a career fixing broken corporations....but the money fix is in...and the current officers will never agree to having the system "fixed".....corruption has been allowed to seep in, grow, flourish and take over our government....the current office holders are only there to get their share of the corrupt money....they will not take kindly to fixing the system that is making them multi millionaires....they have sold their votes, their positions, their trust and their souls...they want no change so whatever change needs to happen will have to be done without their help...because they simply will NOT help bite the hands that are feeding them....the beltway mentality is a very real condition and they are only concerned with their power and their money...that's it...everyone outside of the beltway is what they scrape off the bottom of their shoes....sorry...all you would need to do is talk with any of these people and you will quickly find out how little the people of this country matter to them...they lie, cheat and steal to get elected so that they can collect their millions in bribes and laugh all the way to their foreign bank accounts....i do know the one thing that every politician does FEAR and that is the publics undivided attention! normally they hate bad press but they would NOT welcome the public looking to closely at them....which now begs the question...what have the IRS auditors been doing all of this time?? embezzled funds and bribery payments are taxable....i think that every official elected in the last 30 years needs an audit....after they leave office....the question is easier to answer...where is all their money coming from??...so i'll start it...in this past election....one of the political ads brought up the issue of Patty Murray's wealth...when she was first elected to office...she was worth a mere $1million....and now...she's worth over $20million...how? IRS...are you paying attention??? please do...public audits may be the remaining best way to stop this idiocy....
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 8:25 pm
The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Perhaps with a little help from WikiLeaks we will get this out of control train back on the tracks?
 

Patricia Geller (34)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 8:36 pm
Great article!!! Thank you so much. This explains how we got where we are today in a way everybody can understand. Will pass along.
 

Norm C. (74)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 8:48 pm
America has always been an idea and place of contradictions. For over a hundred years we changed those contradictions: One the one hand, we abolished slavery, eliminated the status of women as chattel and acknowledged them as fully human with the right to vote and gave all Americans the right to vote for their Senators. On the other hand, we destroyed our "marvellous mediocrity" of incomes and wealth and created a gilded age of privilege and extreme wealth and poverty while enshrining our bastard business monopolies with the Constitutional rights of humans.

The one track led a huge increase in our democratic republic's responsiveness to We the People. The other did the exact opposite.

Over the last 80+ years, we have continued down those two contradictory paths. We ended Jim Crow. We ended workplace exploitation. We ended contaminated food and snake oil remedies that did not remedy.

But then we did not as unions began to disappear and BIG money began to "buy" govt. agencies and politicians to prevent them from protecting the public and looking too closely at what corporations were really selling the public.

So, this is where we find ourselves. The contradictions are still all around us. They are a little different now than they were 235 years ago, but they still bedevil us. Can we overcome them?

Yes and no. No, if we insist on looking in all the wrong places. Some problems are pretty much a constant of human nature, like greed and self-interest at the cost of everyone else. The best we can probably do here is minimize the opportunities for this to get really big and ugly. Some are symptoms of bigger problems rather than causes. If we try to solve the symptoms without understanding them, they will reappear down the road every time (like just considering all deficits as the same, like swallowing the smokescreen of passionate bigotry and dishonesty instead of examining it and testing it).

Yes, if we consider the values of human equality and democratic self-government. If we examine the causes of our difficulties instead of scapegoating some mysterious "other", we are more likely to find solutions. If we courageously face the contradictions and face down the malefactors who are bedevilling us no matter what immense resources they wield, we can knock them down with our numbers. But we must face them head on; we cannot afford to kick the can down the road to future generations who will have to face a much bigger and more powerful foe.

That foe is BIG money. The immensity of consolidated money and economic power will lead first to dictatorship and fascism and widespread misery to be followed by revolution, death and destruction. Is this what we want to bequeath to our children and grandchildren?

We have a choice. It is rather plain for all to see. Do we oppose those who would bedevil us and destroy our hopes and dreams? Or do we slink away and hide in a dark corner, hoping to avoid the notice of our oppressors? But what about our kids and their kids? Someone will have to face these high and mighty thugs, their servants and pushers. Do we really want to abandon all hope of beginning the process of restoration? Or do we let the villains continue to run roughshod over everyone? As Thomas Paine wrote in 1776, "These are the times that try men's souls...." What will our legacy be?
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 10:19 pm
Noted, thanx.
 

Mac R. (289)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 10:53 pm
Every single time I went to send a green star I couldn't.... and that tells me that the people I want to send to are really contributing a lot to all kinds of threads and obviously contributing good commentary if I've already sent them stars within the week.

This editorial was very good. I'm just a bit too burned out on commenting on this same train of thought over the last week or so to add anything to this one right now. Sorry. Have to admit I'm in a very, very discouraged and pessimistic trough right now about our future. If I were to comment, it would probably be either too incendiary or too pessimistic, or both.
 

greenplanet e. (157)
Wednesday December 8, 2010, 11:35 pm
It's true that the elites / corporations run the show and probably always have.

A difficulty is that who are "we the people" nowadays? What progressives want or think is right is very different to what tea baggers want and think is right (tea baggers might also consider themselves "we the people" too).

Apathy is a problem, and so is shared interest.
 

Norm C. (74)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 12:32 am
America has a history of half measures that do not solve the problem and allow it to fester. Slavery is an obvious example. The corporation is another. Excessive wealth accumulation is the 500 ton gorilla in the room.

We can settle for a few minor tweaks like the Disclose Act and settle back in the Barcalounger to watch American Idol or Dancing with the Stars or the Super Bowl.

Kicking the can down the road never solved anything. Neither did feeling sorry for yourself, and we have a lot feel abused about by a lot of our "friends." Betrayal by the President's team and the Congressional leadership is not the end of the world.

It ought to be the beginning.
 

Norm C. (74)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 1:00 am
I realize that most of this talk of emigrating is just talk an expression of frustration, but:

Considering that the US is the most influential (for both good and ill) country on the planet and that the US can start or stop almost any international initiative, do you really think you can get away? Or are you just hoping to croak before the ship hits the sand?

Where do you think you can go to escape the rising tide of American oligarchic authoritarianism? How safe will you be from the destruction of the rainforests and wholesale pollution of the land and water? Where will you be free from the tide of anger and despair as American corporations buy up at fire sale prices all the worthwhile land and water and minerals wherever they are found? How long do you think it will be before the American paradigm infects that idyllic haven in Costa Rica, Ecuador, Chile, Uruguay, India, New Zealand, Hungary, or wherever?

My preference is Canada, but I have seen how much that lovely place is influenced by the US media and corporatocracy. We elected the good-hearted but empty headed actor in 1980. Canada elects their version, Brian Mulroney, in 1984, before Reagan's first term had expired and the US economy had barely begun to recover. We had George W Bush selected for us in 2000. Stephen Harper bacame Prime Minister of Canada in 2006. There is no escape.

Here we have numbers and a leg up. We face the devil here where we are most familiar with the terrain or we face it somewhere else where we are strangers. I suggest we face him here on our streets, in our towns, with our neighbors.
 

Melody Aragorn (135)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 2:24 am
There once was an oyster whose story I tell,
Who found that some sand had got into his shell.
It was only a grain, but it gave him great pain.
For oysters have feelings although they're so plain.
Now, did he berate the harsh workings of fate
That had brought him to such a deplorable state?
Did he curse at the government, Cry for election!
And claim that the sea should have given him protection?
'No,' he said to himself as he lay on a shell,
Since I cannot remove it, I shall try to improve it.
Now the years have rolled around, As the years always do,
And he came to his ultimate Destiny stew.
And the small grain of sand that had bothered him so
Was a beautiful pearl all richly aglow.
Now the tale has a moral, for isn't it grand
What an oyster can do with a morsel of sand?
What couldn't we do If we'd only begin
With some of the things, that get under our skin.
The richest man, whatever his lot,
Is he who is content with what he has got.
- Lessons from an Oyster,
Thank you Joseph.
 

Julie van Niekerk (230)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 3:29 am
If America is to be rescued, the American people must be mobilized. But in today's America, the money is mobilized and the people are not."
THIS IS SO TRUE - SOUTH AFRICA FOLLOWS IN THE SAME FOOTSTEPS - BUT IT WILL EVENTUALY DROWN IN IT'S OWN CORRUPTION!
 

Denise P. (65)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 5:28 am
Is there a country in the world where the government isn't corrupt? Noted. Thank you Joseph!
 

Bruno Moreira (61)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 6:37 am
thanks for the article
 

Hans Mueller (591)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 7:36 am
Send a Green Star to Tori INACTIVE W.
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Tori INACTIVE because you have done so within the last week
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 7:38 am
The fact is America is no longer a democracy, it's a corporatocracy, ruled by corporations and their spokespersons, NOT by the people. The Santa Clara 'decision' ca 1884 began the process and the Citiizens United decision completed it. The futurists who feared the takeover by androids got it wrong. The unfeeling, uncaring inhuman robots are the corporations and we nothing but the worker ants who service their needs. It's a done deal.
As for democracy, it was doomed when we the people stopped participating: 5, 10, 20, 30 % voter turn out at the polls guaranteed our voice would be ignored. Democracy never could function when blatant lies and malevolent misrepresentations of the truth were allowed to be disseminated unchallenged. The principal architect of the public's irresponsible neglect of their democratic obligations has been the entertainment industries, owned and controlled by the robo-corps, which provide nothing but mental trash to numb the minds of their viewers with half-truths, untruths, hypnotic noise and flickering images.
 

Hans Mueller (591)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 7:54 am
Just call me an 'ol curmudgeon but I'm so disappointed to see how many comment on the state of affairs in this country but seem to offer little in the way of concrete suggestions for positive action.. Yes there have been a couple including the above suggestion by Tori Inactive W. Maybe people have just given up hope or maybe they just like to complain. My comment about moving was toungue in cheek. I haven't given up on our country..
 

Gary C. (5)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 8:11 am
noted thankkyou....
 

Charla D. (67)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 8:24 am
I agree with Hans's comment regarding liberals, moderates and conservatives uniting. It would seem fairly evident that the majority of our politicians are indeed beholden to corporate/financial interests, regardless of their party affiliation. The only difference between Democrats and Republicans is whose pockets they're in, and even then, sometimes the lines are pretty blurry. We have ample evidence of this embodied in the Obama administration, who duped the American people with promises of change and new directions and yet has carried forth and even expanded upon the Bush agenda. If we are to evolve I really think we need to get past any dogmatic attachments to outmoded definitions of Democrat, Republican, liberal, conservative. This distracts people from what's really important and allows elites to continue to play games of "this time it'll be different". As a first step, let's try and define what a healthy, happy, American society should be. What do we want for ourselves, our elderly parents/grandparents, our children, grandchildren? I think that, in this regard at least, we'll find lots of common ground. The differences will probably be in terms of how to achieve these goals and visions. "We the people" are not each others' enemies and we need to remember that. If we do, I think we may actually get somewhere. The other thing to keep in mind is that most revolutions, including the American Revolution, were not started by the "masses", so we shouldn't be overly concerned if it seems as though the majority of the populace is snoozing--that's always been the case. Each major change in society starts with a seed idea/ideal in the minds and hearts of a receptive few and spreads only gradually (sometimes it gets hijacked too by other interests, but that's another story - nothing is simple). For example, just prior to the American Revolution and even for sometime after it had begun, it was still considered inconceivable in the minds of most colonists, that they would actually separate from Great Britain, and even of those who did conceive it many feared it was impossible to defeat what was at that time the world's greatest military power. Prior to the U.S. civil war, even as late as the 1850s, many people, even in the northern states, considered abolitionists to be fanatics and troublemakers.

I do think that major changes in our finance/banking/Federal Reserve and tax systems are a necessity, along with abolishment of the rulings that have granted corporations such exalted status. These are things that can be discussed and posted here on Care2. How are we going to get there? I don't know, but the longest journey always starts with a single step.
 

Hans Mueller (591)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 8:40 am
Thank you so much for the insightful comment Charlene. Maybe there is hope yet.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 9:12 am
Thanks! It really HAS to be the people that knuckle down and boycott chinese "goods"(?). We need people with signs in front of wal mart with words like, Are you done selling out to china yet? It's going to take an effort.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 9:23 am
China owns America Jason. How many goods in your house were not made in China?
 

JustaHuman Here (53)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 9:38 am
I don't tell you about truth or reality. But you may collect all the things you don't like and place them into the according folders. Then calculate to which extend and goal it will develop if things just go on this way and turn to the more extreme. And then you will know what is expecting you if you just agree (whatever it may be).
 

Janice P. (51)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 9:42 am
I agree with Hans, Charlene, and my dear friend, John, among others. Unfortunately, I share John's feelings of defeat. " We, the people" have been indifferent, on the whole, for DECADES as to what was happening in this country. He is 100% correct. "We, the people", for the most part, don't even bother to vote. Most of us are not involved in any political movement. The vacuum left has been filled by the wealthy and the multi-national corporations, which have no allegiance to this nation, her citizens, and absolutely none to democracy. The wealthy and the multi-nationals do NOT want John Doe and Jane Public to have an equal standing with them. They have done all they could to take whatever rights we have away from us. The saddest part of that is, WE LET THEM DO IT.

Given the terrible turn of events in the last 30 years - and especially during the last 10 years, I have almost no hope - barring revolution - for this nation, her people, and democracy any longer. I actually AM considering moving to another country. I do not want to stay here to see everything my parents, grandparents, and I worked our whole lives for to be taken by the government and corporations for the benefit of the rich. At 64, I cannot wait to be reduced to the status of serf.

We can shout, stomp our feet, and pout. We can protest the loss of our country and our democracy among ourselves. We can become angry and incensed about the plunging real estate values, the millions of foreclosed homes, the usury legally practiced by lenders, who pay nothing in the way of interest on our savings - and while they take away even the small amount of interest they pay on our savings by charging us for our checking account services. We can seethe while US factories close and move overseas, leaving millions upon millions of our citizens unemployed and with devastated lives, while further enriching the wealthy. We can grow dejected and desperate when the government does not enforce its own immigration regulations and permits mllions upon millions of illegals to come to this country and take the few remaining jobs, by seriously undercutting the wages and benefits paid to US citizens. We can groan as the government gives tax breaks to the wealthiest among us, even as it cuts social security, Medicare, Medicaid, and all other social safety net programs. We can wonder what will happen to those without health insurance, but, as long as we have ours, we don't really seem to give a damn about those who don't. We can even write to our elected officials, sign petitions, and make phone calls to their offices, but, as others have said, they don't care what we say or think because they do NOT work for us. They work for the people and corporations, who line their pockets. All the while, they have installed Supreme Court Justices, who are willing pawns of the wealthy and the corporations and who have re-written law, such that the common man no longer stands a chance against their corporate backers. What good is a judicial system - even if one can afford access to it - if the laws are written or interpreted in such a way that John Doe and Jane Public stand no chance of winning even before they get to the courthouse steps? It is all a facade, leading the people to think they have hope when actually they have none.

We can write comments on sites such as these, but we are merely preaching to the choir. Unless we take REAL concerted action to save our nation and ourselves, we must face the fact that there is no hope. It isn't even enough to simply vote any longer, because the laws have been written and interpreted against us. As others have pointed out, going back and forth between Republicans and Democrats every few years WILL NOT HELP us. BOTH parties are corrupted to the point that they do not represent us. They have not done so for DECADES. If you vote for change by continuing to vote for members of either one of those parties, the only change you are going to get will be the names on the office doors.

Almost every time I wrote a comment on Care 2, saying that I was going to vote Socialist or Green, other Care 2 members implored me not to do that - because I would be throwing my vote away. For some insane reason, most people seem think that the future lies only in the Democrat or Republican party. Please answer this question honestly: WHAT DID YOU GET FOR YOUR VOTE FROM EITHER ONE OF THOSE PARTIES IN THE LAST FEW ELECTIONS? Ar you better off - or worse off? What class of people benefited from your vote? Unless you are among the very rich, I venture to say that it was not YOUR class. The fact is, we have been going from bad to worse with every danged election for MANY YEARS. Yet, we refuse to get off of the "R" and the "D" train. WHY? Is there something sentimental about those names? (WE don't have Whigs and Tories any more, you know.) After all these years, do you REALLY think that either one of them gives a hang about YOU? Does either party REALLY represent you? Has either one REALLY improved your life?

What we have is a situation in which the middle and lower classes taxed to death - sometimes literally - while the rich continue to prosper at everyone else's expense. The last time this nation underwent this experience, it began a revolution. Taxation without representation is definitely what we have today. If you think otherwise, you are deluded. Unfortunately today's American seems to have lost his/her courage to fight for what is theirs, to fight to keep their freedoms. If we cannot or will not fight for ourselves, we have no hope. If we are willing to accept the status quo, we have no hope. We seem to be willing to accept the status quo, and we do not seem to be willing to fight for what is ours. Therefore, NO HOPE. Get used to it, or do something.
 

patricia lasek (317)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 10:59 am
We the People won a small victory in the House today.
House Democrats rejected the new Tax Cut Deal proposed by Pres. Obama and the Republicants today.

Definitely a reason to still have some hope. Thank you to everyone who stood up for themselves and signed the petitions posted or shared by so many care2 members. give yourselves a pat on the back!
 

ewoud k. (73)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 11:06 am
And it's not like this just in the US, but in nearly all the so called democracies. "The public" got, for some reason or another, desinterested in politics, the '60s generation grew up and started working and getting used to money, and got individualistic. Political parties and unions emptied, and a political elite emerged. Even the leftwing parties (the european socialist parties) are runned and manned by wealthy people, who don't have much connection with "the real world", the world of the industrial worker.

Politicians nowadays are struggling in the first place for their own money (it's a job, like all the others), and just in the second place for "the cause". Ads it earns well, and the places are limited in number, the parties who are "distributing" these places can ask for an entrance fee, so the modest are put aside, and only those with money (or the very few real good ones WITH connections) can run/climb up in the party or union stucture.

As long as humans are lead by greed, this will be hard to change, unless you're able to unite enough to start a revolution.

Thanks Cowboy Dre for your analyse, and thanks Joseph for posting.
 

Lydia S. (172)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 11:06 am
Thanks for interesting post.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 11:18 am
I hear you, William S. I have as few as possible. I even bought a used MAC made in the US. It's hard, though.
 

Elle J. (279)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 2:31 pm
Noted! There is a starting place and you never have to leave home. Use the computer. E-mail your congressional and senatorial leaders and make your thoughts known. Yes, you might get a staffer or even an intern but if you make your point clear enough and have enough back up information, you will be surprised at how many people will take note. Also during the election cycle, GET INVOLVED! All campaigns need volunteers. In fact they are the backbone of any campaign organization. Let you voices be heard. When you disagree with a candidates position, make your voice heard! If enough people stand up to be counted, they can change the course of things. As a political consultant, I really do know what I am talkig about.
 

Lisa R. (0)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 3:04 pm
"But the conversation among elites inside the Beltway-New York bubble is about cutting Social Security and more one-sided “free trade” deals with mercantilist nations that, unlike the U.S., protect and promote their domestic industries.

Many Americans have come to the conclusion that nobody represents them in Washington anymore. They are right."
I'm sorry to say that I think you've nailed it. I'm not sure how we came to this state, but something needs to change and change soon.
 

Michela m. (3926)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 3:09 pm
Noted!! Thanks, Ciao!! Michela
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 3:19 pm
Many people represent people in Washington Lisa. Halliburton, Bill Gates, The Rockerfellers etc.
 

Cindy Black (61)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 3:35 pm

It's become quite apparent that we are NOT an "informed citizenry" and haven't been for quite some time. We've been patted on the head and told "trust us; we're your government," while terrible things are being done in our names behind our backs and we're spoon-fed appropriate rhetoric to cover it..

And, as we're just now finding out, UBER-POWERFUL SECRET COALITIONS actually run the whole show and have politicians in their pockets because they control all the money -- and the "engine" of politics, as we know, sucks up shovelfuls of the stuff just to make it around the block. The roots and tentacles of this coalition have become TOTALLY INTERWOVEN with every facet of international banking, commerce, manufacturing, energy, and yes, war funding. It's probably already "too big to fail" and too big to even think about fighting! Think the US banking system on a global scale.

It's been a long, long time since decisions that affect the masses have been made in good faith, with the actual BENEFIT of the masses in mind. Distribution of wealth and power grows more ridiculously uneven by the week.

Julian Assange is trying to battle this, and I think it's worth every bit of "damage" and "embarrassment" he might cause on the way to gain greater truth and enlightenment. No wonder governments and world "leaders" are doing everything they can to stop him! I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up dead. I hope he has some cool plans in place for this contingency.

(THIS IS THE COMMENT I MADE ON ONE OF THE WIKILEAKS SITES AND IT SEEMS SO APPROPRIATE HERE THAT I JUST CUT AND PASTED IT)..

DEAR HANS: (Re places to move to)... Mexico's a great place but you could always get plugged in the head (or worse)... Canada is really uppity about who they let in, and it's sooo expensive there. Paris is a great idea; if you find an affordable place there, pls let me know about it. I've started getting "Escape from America" magazine online, and it's got lots of good suggestions... Cheers.
 

Hans Mueller (591)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 4:22 pm
Well Cindy, the consensus seems to be that this country is a lost cause, not withstanding your excellent comment Elle. So where do I get one of dem "Escape from America" magazines? I'll swap it for my subscription to Der Speigal.
 

Cindy Black (61)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 5:27 pm
Hi Hans -- Hey, thanks for the green star, my friend! It's called "Escape from America" magazine, possibly called "Escape from America, and the Expat Daily News"... At any rate, it's quite Google-able and, if I remember right, totally free (on web). Must admit I'm about 3 issues behind but will be catching up. xo, C.
 

Janice P. (51)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 6:38 pm
Thanks for the info. about "Escape From America", Cindy. I have subscribed.

I see the day coming when those, who have not escaped, will be mere serfs in this country (except the very rich, of course). Can't you see the positioning for this to happen? The banks and financial institutions own so many of the foreclosed homes and they will not make loans to anyone, so they can be purchased. (One has to wonder why.) Higher-paying jobs have moved overseas. Lower wage jobs are being filled by the millions and millions of illegals, whom the government has allowed to swarm into this country for decades, further driving down the wages and benefits of the few remaining jobs.

In the end, this country will consist of only the very wealthy, and the very poor - many of whom are illegals - will become their virtual servants. The US citizen will be reduced to indentured servitude, just in order to eke out some sort of subsistence living.

There is no need for a middle class - those pesky people, who once expected a living wage. The rich can hire drones for next to nothing. Those who are ill, elderly, disabled - those who have been referred to as "useless eaters" - will disappear as untreated illnesses claim one life after another. This country does not need to provide for health care for its citizens. A fresh crop of willing slaves is waiting at the borders - or is already here. So our citizens die off from lack of medical care. Who cares? All that is important is that the rich can always find a new cache of workers - mostly from already impoverished countries - to take the place of those US citizens who have died off. It's all very much like the old slave days. Except, no one has to sail slave ships to Africa and back any more. We have disadvantaged illegals streaming in on a daily basis, who take the place of those slaves. Think of it: a steady stream of WILLING slaves - and no transportation costs. What a wonderful time to be rich!

Maybe the rich will even let some of those slave families live in and tend to those foreclosed empty houses, in payment for their services. Yes, the pieces all seem to be falling into place. No wonder the rich, in concert with our elected officials, looked the other way as illegals began their invasion. All they could see was a steady supply of worker bees. That's all that's needed to keep the rich in the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed. Yes, what a life!

What a shame! America, how she has fallen! All that remains is to write the eulogy for this once great nation, the former "land of opportunity". How her "streets paved with gold" have tarnished. Why did we allow it????? We should hang our collective heads in shame. We have allowed ourselves to be destroyed. In some ways, we have aided in that destruction. Perhaps, we deserve what we get.
 

Hans Mueller (591)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 6:45 pm
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Charlene Rush (2)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 10:50 pm
We, the people, have become, WE, BIG BUSINESS AND OUR LOBBYISTS.

Democrats and Republicans = Pepsi and Coke.
In their own category, no third group is allowed in. It works ideally!

We know what we need to do, and we must stick together to get it accomplished. We need at least, three parties, preferablly more. The German system comes to mind. Check it out and see what you think.
 

Crystal T. (20)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 11:34 pm
Robert & Carmen... the sad thing is that the Democrats only appear to be for the people because they aren't so blatantly in the pockets of billionaires. They do get a few good things passed for the people, but why do you think we didn't get much done when they were stronger? They represent more often than not the second tier of wealthy -- those that wannabe up there with the billionaires. Why do you think they rail against the loopholes, but never close them? Because they want them for themselves. For years I insisted that if you want change, you've got to get rid of most of the Democrats and Republicans, although there are good eggs within the Democrats who should be kept and rewarded for their stance. I even voted for Obama after my first choice self-destructed in the hopes that he would be what he said he was. Unfortunately, it seems like he's turning into what I was afraid he was.
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Friday December 10, 2010, 5:23 am
I'm wondering what this big generality of 'public opinion' and 'we, the public'people' is. Wouldn't that imply everyone agrees about taxes, production methods and products, abortion, animal rights, where and how and who to fight and who not to fight, who the enemy is, who the 'good' people are, who the 'bad' people are, how much should be spent and on what, who and what is 'right' and who and what is 'wrong' about any issue, what should be done with criminals, food distribution, on and on and on?
As far as gov't. and people go, support a gov't. designed and run for all the people. Beyond that the idea that 'we, the people' is some cohesive group who are all sane, clear-thinking, incapable of incorrect ideas or actions, know how to run everything, have total integrity and responsibility for themselves and others, etc. etc. is false.
I wouldn't trust my shoe to 'public opinion'. SOME people I would but many in the public are capable of being influenced, being stupid, biased, self-interested, etc. just as much as anyone else.
It's not as simple as 'we, good' 'them, bad'.
 

Gwynethrose F. (12)
Friday December 10, 2010, 10:27 am
Excellent article and comments
 

Janice P. (51)
Saturday December 11, 2010, 7:43 am
PLease listen to Vermont's Senator, Bernie Sanders, as he addresses that "august" body. The link is below. I wish ALL of our elected officials were much more like him and not like the greedy, corrupt monsters that they actually are.

http://www.democracyforamerica.com/activities/419?t=eshare
 

Janice P. (51)
Saturday December 11, 2010, 7:48 am
Sanders' speech might be easier to reach by following this link:

Chernynkaya: Please sing Bernie Sanders' petition. He is the only one
http://www.democracyforamerica.com/activities/419?t=eshare” ... 1 because Congress didn't act." The pact would extend cuts in income tax rates for all ...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Chernynkaya/obama-tax-cut-deal-cost_n_794868_70330062...
 

Janice P. (51)
Sunday December 12, 2010, 7:24 am
First of all, I am not in a good mood today, so much of what I am thinking is colored by that. But, while listening to "Meet the Press", I see the utter hypocrisy and uselessness of the current Administration. I knew what we were getting with "W" (dumber than sh!t and a puppet for the extreme right), but, I was SO fricking glad to be rid of that b@st@rd, that I failed to carefully research and consider what kind of leader Obama would be. It has been evident for quite some time to me - since shortly after his election, actually. This latest tax break for the rich, carried on the backs of the suffering nation and the needy, further drives home the point.


When Obama was in the Senate, he voted "Present" more times than EVER should have happened. He took no stand on most issues. His Administration has been nothing but a continuation of that same weasly, cowardly, and disinterested, noncommittal behavior. What happened to his promises? You know, the ones about closing Gitmo, reversing DADT, providing health care for ALL Americans, helping the middle and lower classes, which have been under assault for decades? With respect to EVERY SINGLE issue, Obama took NO position, proposed NO plans, fought for NOTHING, took NO affirmative action toward the accomplishment of ANYTHING he promised. He was elected and then withdrew from all domestic challeneges and debate. He let "somebody else" do it. (In other words, we have been on our own since Inauguration Day, Baby.)


Now that this tax cut for the rich has so infuriated MANY parts of the public (including his own base) and has FURTHER added to the deficit, he is employing the "SODDI" proposition (some other dude did it). He is blaming the Republicans alone for that tax reduction for the rich. In fact, he has been blaming "the other guy" for every damned unkept promise, every damned step not taken (to paraphrase one of my favorite poets) since he took office. This is nothing but a continuation of his typical modus operandi: vote "Present", but, in actuality, do - and stand for - NOTHING.


There is no excuse for this. He had a MANDATE and dramatic, widespread support when he entered office - so much so that he could have accomplished quite a bit. He had a majority in Congress. Instead, we have had inertia and the status quo - AGAIN! Or should I say "STILL"? And, wonder of all wonders - the few things, which have been accomplished, have primarily benefited the rich and powerful.


(BY the way, I want to puke every time I hear anyone insist that he was able to get this "wonderful, unprecedented" health care plan passed. It damn sure was wonderful - for the already over-bloated, overpaid insurance companies, who received an early holiday present. Their profits will soar EVEN MORE. It is also unprecedented. Americans have NEVER been forced to pay, under penalty of fines and legal consequences, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR to a private industry, to purchase a commercial product, for which many cannot pay. To try to compare this kind of expenditure with being legally required to pay A COUPLE OF HUNDRED DOLLARS every 6 months for auto insurance, which is required to protect and reimburse someone you might injure with your vehicle, is ludicrous. What next? The return of debtors' prisons? How freaking "wonderful"!)


I am going to beat myself until I bleed for not voting for Hillary. I would rather bloodlet myself than wait for the government and the rich to drain the very last drop of blood and life from me.



 

Hans Mueller (591)
Sunday December 12, 2010, 7:38 am
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Sunday December 12, 2010, 3:34 pm
noted thanks
 

SusanNoMailPls D. (30)
Tuesday December 14, 2010, 4:51 am
Thank you for sharing, shared in Face Book and Twitter. I do have more to say and will later.
 

Lynn Alzamily (19)
Wednesday December 15, 2010, 1:03 am
One of the saddest things is that people with good intentions go to DC & get corrupted. Before you know what happened they too are bilking the American people while lining their pockets. Who leaves DC that hasn’t become a millionaire?
 
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