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The Panetta Doctrine


World  (tags: Benghazi, Security Team, Insecurity, False statements, lies, coverup, untrue story, lying for political cover, Obama Administration, State Department, Obama Administration Spin )

Paula
- 691 days ago - nationalreview.com
It seems obvious that Panetta is trying protect Obama from responsibility for the administration's Benghazi response by passing the buck. I don't think that works. The decision to outsource the call is still a presidential decision.



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Paula M. (39)
Monday October 29, 2012, 1:50 pm
From the article:






The secretary of defense in his best grown-up voice says:

“(The) basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place,” Panetta told Pentagon reporters. “And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.”

It seems obvious that Panetta is trying protect Obama from responsibility for the administration’s Benghazi response. I don’t think that works. The decision to outsource the call is still a presidential decision.

But there are two problems bigger problems with the Panetta doctrine. First, Panetta says they didn’t have real-time information. Uh, if having a live video feed and real-time reports from assets on the ground for hours doesn’t count as real-time information, what does? And if, as rumors suggest, the drones monitoring the situation were armed, the idea that the administration was trying to avoid some kind of “black hawk down” situation seems incomprehensible.

Which brings us to the second, I think bigger, problem with the Panetta doctrine. If the circumstances in Libya didn’t meet the “enough information” threshold for a rescue attempt or some other form of intervention, then what does? And, note, Panetta & Co. make it sound as if the decision to let the Americans on the scene twist in the wind was sort of a no-brainer, not a difficult decision. So what happened in Libya didn’t even come close to the threshold for intervention.

What does that mean? Well, it seems to me that any embassy or consulate subjected to a surprise attack will likely catch the administration off guard. That’s why they call them “surprise attacks,” after all. According to the Panetta doctrine, the very essence of what makes a surprise attack a surprise attack likely precludes any commitment of U.S. forces to repel it. The message to our diplomats and troops: You’re on your own. The message to terrorists: As long as you keep your attacks minimally confusing, you win.

That’s outrageous.
 

jan b. (3)
Wednesday October 31, 2012, 1:56 am
I guess the republicans wanted to give these murderers of the 4 people even more attention by our President and the MEDIA.... because they don't even recognize that terrorists want to become matyrs amongst their own kind all over the world and love PUBLICITY ??? ding ding ding.
I'm sorry these 4 people died.... the republicans are just brainless. They aren't even reminded that Bin Ladin lived in a fortress a wall surrounding the concrete building --guarded on the outside and in every room----and he wasn't safe enough.
 

Giana Peranio-Paz (384)
Wednesday October 31, 2012, 4:14 am
Thanks.
 

JL A. (275)
Wednesday October 31, 2012, 8:03 am
Yes Janice, it is really sad when our countrymen make choices to support the interests of our enemies instead of in our country's best interests--especially when it is trying to make points in an election. I miss the ethics and integrity John McCain showed as a candidate--and he even chastised the campaign and those who take the approach you highlighted. You cannot currently send a star to janice because you have done so within the last week.
 

Paula M. (39)
Wednesday October 31, 2012, 9:56 am

J.L. A., from what we know about events in Benghazi it is clear that our personnel in Libya had been provided inadequate security, and it is possible that they received inadequate support when attacked. It is very clearly in our self-interest to find out why or personnel were left in such a dangerous situation and to hold accountable those who are responsible for their vulnerability.

To avoid any inquiry out of fear that it would somehow improve a terrorist group's self-esteem is as stupid as it is barbaric. Our enemies have enough to celebrate in the bodies of our American dead; an inquiry will make no difference to them. On the other hand, if we can learn from our mistakes we will be better able to defeat future attacks and better encourage the development of pluralistic democratic institutions throughout the Muslim world, which would be our complete triumph and their utter defeat.
 

Lois Jordan (56)
Wednesday October 31, 2012, 2:47 pm
I just wish the Repubs had climbed down Bush's throat after 9/11 the way they mercilessly crucify Obama....oh, wait!...I forgot about that "pretzel" Dumbya choked on. Anyway, the media was all on Dumbya's side..even when so many of his inner circle would go on a talk show and state, "We haven't been hit on Pres. Bush's watch because we patriots are making sure America is secure." They had amnesia about 9/11...the worst catastrophe the US has ever seen on its shores. This nitpicking at Pres. Obama by the GOP has got to be called out because I'm sick to death of it.
 

James E. (16)
Wednesday October 31, 2012, 3:33 pm
I just love “Monday morning quarterbacks,” especially when they lack real-world experience in the subject area and have a political axe to grind. The same applies to so-called experts with a political axe to grind.

Decisions are made up and down the chain, both during events, leading up to them, and after the fact. Mistakes were made, but turning it into a political-axe during an election is self-serving and counter productive.

My first question would be why did we decide to open a consulate, at the end of August, in the most volatile region of Libya, which included the city of Benghazi? My second question would be why did Ambassador Stevens travel there with minimal security on September 11? With of course many more questions to follow.
 

reece C. (29)
Wednesday October 31, 2012, 9:35 pm
Good God Paula are you still here?
I can't wait until after Nov 6, so you and that other fool JLA can go cry in your beer.
Why don't you find something to post from Donald Trump about transcripts? That would be your speed.
The president is not an all knowing and all seeing entity, he is a man with lots of people working for him. There wasn't a string of CIA or FBI warnings about a significant attack in Benghazi. There was with dubbya, and him and Cheney chose to ignore them.
Do you think that we should have a division of troops in every country of the middle east to protect civil servants at all times? I think most countries would call that an invasion.
And, your republican blowhards wouldn't even allow a $300 million appropriation go through to raise security at foreign posts. So take the blame and eat it sweetie.
 

Lloyd H. (46)
Thursday November 1, 2012, 7:24 am
Oh, God another flaming bag of dog-shit propaganda from Paula. First one must note that the "Panetta Doctrine" is the purely facetious creation of the Repug/Neocon/Tea Bagged in desperate hopes of regaining their totally undeserved 'Superiority on Defense and Foreign Affairs'. Which was finally and totally flushed down the toilet by the criminal incompetence and dereliction of duty which allowed 9/11, the single most successful and costly in American lives terrorist attack on American soil in history. They were warned repeatedly for months and were even aware that some of the terrorists were in flight school in the US. And Dear God it would be far too much to expect that the success of the Benghazi attack be laid where it belongs at the feet of the Repug/Tea Bagged US House that has for 2 straight years cut State Department Security funding. And God knows that Repug Rep. Darrell Issa, Chairman of the Oversight Committee, should not be held accountable for his calling State Departments request for additional funds, sighting increased danger and unrest, and I quote, "Pure Bullshit". But what the hell the ODS, Obama Derangement Syndrome, of the Repug/Neocons demands the Obama be blamed for the results of their incompetence and political posturing.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Thursday November 1, 2012, 8:51 am
Reece, as DOJ repeatedly tells all executives of any serious level: You are in charge for what is going on your shift.

Obama bears full responsibility for sending ambassador Stevens to unsecured compound and for ignoring the warning about attacks. In addition to that, he is personally responsible for the lies he spread after the attack, blaming some stupid youtube video as a cause for the battle taking place on 9/11.

Obama could simply NOT send ambassador, as is the normal practice to evacuate ambassadors from war zones. Obama chose to risk the ambassador's life to prove that his "outreach to Islamists" work.

This is just a scandal, and Obama deserves impleachment, not just not re-election. We may still see that if Obama suddenly wins on Nov 6.
 

Tim L. (86)
Thursday November 1, 2012, 9:12 am
Once again Paula is losing sleep in order to make the world aware of her hatred for President Obama. I really feel sorry for you Paula. It must be very difficult being you.
 

Kit B. (276)
Thursday November 1, 2012, 12:30 pm

Paula M/ Paul B/Hans/ Lilith/ Janelle and too many past names to bother remembering - you are so transparent. Poor information and sources leads to crap for articles.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday November 1, 2012, 12:36 pm
Benghazi? is that all you got? LOLOL I see the treasonous shills at fox are STILL talking about as if there were something there other than Ryan.s budget cuts.

Can we secede from you a holes yet? VA to AZ..All morons move south. There's your rise! Take it.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday November 1, 2012, 12:37 pm
A big *star* for kit. She knows the truth! l
 

Roger Garin-michaud (62)
Thursday November 1, 2012, 1:22 pm
noted, thanks !
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday November 1, 2012, 2:48 pm
Umm, Roger. Don't note these fox hack pieces, k? Thanks.
 

Mori H. (0)
Thursday November 1, 2012, 4:25 pm
All loss of life in war is tragic, and Yes I know we are not at war with Libya, but we are an armed force in the Middle East. I guess most people have forgotten the ( how many 300+) Republicans who voted to cut $ for security for our Embassy staff all over the world. Its very sad that these men are dead. What is sadder is that we ever went to war in the first place. 911 was a chance to show the world how we deal with terror, we should have done this diplomatically and with sanctions and other ways .. instead we went to was with countries that were not ever proved to have been involved with the Attack on NYC. We have created an endless supply of terrorists, children whose entire life has been one of being bombed and killed by the US Government. Thousands and thousands of people have had their lives destroyed and we are not one tiny bit safer.
 

Pamela D. (16)
Thursday November 1, 2012, 9:52 pm
Is it just coincidence or just plain stupidity for you not to realize that we as Americans of course mourn the death of these fine diplomats and yes we do want accountability for anyone that didn't do their job in protecting our ambassador and his staff from their horrific circumstances. This will come to light in due time. But right now at this very moment, there are thousands, if not millions suffering from the effects of a hurricane where one has never hit before. 72 Americans have lost their lives, not knowingly visiting a dangerous country, but some were elderly that couldn't afford an assisted living community and drowned alone in their own apartments. First responders have been working for days without rest to try and help these devastated communities. And for some reason, republicans like Governor Walker look at them as union blood suckers thinking that they don't deserve a living wage. I applaud Governor Christie for putting his people before politics and clearly said he didn't have time for party politics when asked if Romney could visit his devastated state and I bet he finally sees the value of our every day hero's, you know the ones that risk their lives every time the alarm sounds; the ones whose right to unionize cost the tax payers too much money? I'd bet you feel differently if they were hauling your butt off a flooded or burning building. Where is your sympathy for all of these suffering Americans Paula? Or are you not paid to worry about them? You are sickening, go back to your job at Fox, at least there you don't look as ignorant compared to the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. Go drill baby drill, create more fossil fuel instead of realizing that this is not normal and we need to dramatically change direction on energy policy, if it's not already too late.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Friday November 2, 2012, 9:00 am
Pamela, nobody argues that hurricane was a disaster and a tragedy, affecting many. This disaster was not man made.

In contrast, the death in Benghazi was caused by a human error, the neglect of US President Obama to listen to security professionals.

If Obama did not have enough money to protect the embassy from hundreds of militants armed with mortars and well-organized - he could off simply evacuated the embassy, as is often done in cases of countries at war. Why didn't he want to do that? He wanted to prove that his unrealistic outreach to Islamists works and he is a "good" president !

Benghazi became a show case of his blatant incompetency on many aspects.

And afterwards, the scandalous cover up for the story just adds more to the image of his character.

Blaming Fox news, Youtube videos and publishing apologizes in Pakistant shows cheap and stupid tricks democrats are employing to hide the fact that the clueless and ideologically indoctrinated person occupies the US President's seat.
 
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