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Washington Post Publishes Explosive Investigation: Top Secret America


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: government, Govtfearmongering, terrorism, oil, Iraq, Afghanistan, corporate control, propaganda, corruption, constitution, economy, war, usa, freedoms, propaganda )

Gregory
- 1470 days ago - projects.washingtonpost.com
The top-secret world the government created in response to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, has become a vast, costly, fourth branch of govt



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Magdalena M. (0)
Monday July 19, 2010, 4:43 pm
Thank you Gregory. I know that it is very sad, but sometimes when I read it I just didn't know if I was to laugh or cry. I can imagine almost the same stupid things exist in Canada. Just enough to take a look at the Prime Minister - he makes me cry. It is a huge mess in both our countries and probably some in Europe, where government people are just bunches of puppets and never use their power although they could. We are just slaves in this scenario, and nobody cares if we die and why. When you get older, you better die, you are not needed.
That is why I prefer animals than people. They are not evil. They are honest and loyal. I can fight for them, I lost my faith in humanity. I am sorry.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Monday July 19, 2010, 4:45 pm
Corporate greed with government complicity come together at the intersection of propaganda and policies that persuade a majority of Americans that we must fight terrorists and secure more oil at any price and in general give huge corporations whatever they demand. That's another way of saying the wealthy elite want Americans who will behave like ignorant sheep even as they are fleeced and slaughtered. We are told we cannot afford to regulate Big Oil nor stop spending $100 Billion a year in Afghanistan or continue unemployment compensation or invest in solar, wind or biomass, nor dare we stop the destruction of everything from the Gulf, the Grand Canyon, our lives nor the wildlife and people we love. The greed of a few elite is merciless. We spend more BY FAR on Defense than China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, England, Germany and Japan combined and now both political parties are prepared to agree we must increase the Defense budget but cut social and safety-net programs. That Defense budget is already greater than all the rest of the discretionary budgets combined, and it does not include the tens of billions paid secretly to the secret security corporations headed by people you can be sure are getting wealthy from the contracts they hold!
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Monday July 19, 2010, 5:13 pm
I understand Magdalena, but there are good human beings out there, including those like you who do all they can for the animals on Care2 and elsewhere, and the way I see it, insanity and greed is destroying the innocent of all species, so I can't give up on mankind entirely. I honestly don't think you have either, and I can prove it: the animals can't read the good things you say. Somewhere you have hope placed in a few good people. So do I.
 

Ness F. (211)
Monday July 19, 2010, 5:36 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Gregory because you have done so within the last week.
Thanks Greg, much appreciated!
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (732)
Monday July 19, 2010, 5:40 pm
noted,thank you Gregory
 

Kit H. (174)
Monday July 19, 2010, 5:44 pm
It is the David and Galiah story again, how the terrorists win.
 

Gloria L. (58)
Monday July 19, 2010, 5:50 pm
Gregory and Magdalena, I read here with tears in my eyes. I just want to die, but it is not an option for me.
If I really let myself feel my rage I would want to do something really drastic, which I can't mention here and wouldn't do anyway. I do have self=control. I just wake up everyday sadder than the last. MY grandchildren are my hope, and people like you two, who can still feel the freedom to express your opinions.
I just got an email from a friend who instructed me how to opt-out of Facebook's control. Sounds to me like a long process which I may or may not do. The other option is to dropout of Facebook. I used it mainly to pass on information . I want to and will pass this to Facebook if I get to read the article. So far it won't open for me.
And, thanks for the insight as to why most people, as I've heard, on Care2 advocate for animals instead of humans. I wish the "aliens" would reveal themselves more, swoop down, take away the "bad" people and let the rest of us live, create, love in peace. Unconditional Love, Gloria
 

Dale Must (20)
Monday July 19, 2010, 5:50 pm
Thanks Greg,for bringing this to mine and other's attention. It sounds like a blown up Robert Ludlum book. It's absurd. The bureaucrats are so absorbed with security that they are counter productive. The war should go first as both countries will revert to old times despite our efforts.All this security and they still let questionable Muslims roam about and think about letting 45 million Mexicans in. What an easy way for 5th column spies or terrorists to walk in. The drug cartels would finance a couple of immigrant moles to gain residency status. After the oil leak, we found out what countries are our friends. Cut off foreign aid except to those especially necessary. The people of those countries don't get the foreign aid money anyway. The ruling class bureaucrats need to sit down and actually figure out what better measures need to be taken other than tramping on each other's toes and still be ineffective
 

Magdalena M. (0)
Monday July 19, 2010, 5:52 pm
I know there is more than a few good people. But I don't think it is enough. There is too many people who live either in denial or ignorance. They are not bad, just dishonest with themselves. Unhappiness and disappointment did not reach the bottom yet. People are divided, some don't like it, some love Obama and what he is doing or rather not doing. Or blame someone else for it, not him. But he has the power, he is just afraid to use it.... And will you find someone who is not afraid, who will work for people not corporations?
Beside people are not united yet. They hate each other. They don't get it. I have read many comments, they are far away from being on one side. So you have enemies inside the slave class. This is bad.
 

Edwin M. (366)
Monday July 19, 2010, 5:58 pm
Thank you Gregory
 

Rhonda Maness (602)
Monday July 19, 2010, 6:00 pm
Thank you, Gregory
 

Suzanne S. (765)
Monday July 19, 2010, 6:02 pm
I didn't know if I should laugh or cry either Magdelina, I think sometimes I'm just numb from all the greedy bastages just looking out for their profit margins and the heck with everyone and everything else in the world.

What I do know is that we can't give up - ever - we will NOT behave in a complacent state - we have to wake up every sleep walking person I can in the world so they can add their voice to the choir of "We're mad as hell and we're not taking it anymore" ~~ The "new" elite are a disgrace to the world, and an even bigger disgrace to the race of humankind.

Personally I think they are all so damn paranoid they are building walls to "keep out" the threats, when in actuality, they are building walls to hide behind and bury themselves which, burying them isn't such a bad idea so that we can get people who CARE and will make productive changes for sustainability and a future where LIFE can have a chance to survive and evolve. Hmm... more I think about it, maybe we should let them carry on their own stupid agenda and cut themselves off from reality so we can all make a difference faster, better, and have greater impact for the health of the world.
 

Philippa P. (154)
Monday July 19, 2010, 6:03 pm
Thanks, Gregory.
 

Magdalena M. (0)
Monday July 19, 2010, 6:06 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Suzanne because you have done so within the last week.
 

Magdalena M. (0)
Monday July 19, 2010, 6:11 pm
Suzanne, might be a big problem with waking up process. It looks like people are VERY sleepy.
 

Kit B. (277)
Monday July 19, 2010, 6:13 pm
"Many security and intelligence agencies do the same work, creating redundancy and waste. For example, 51 federal organizations and military commands, operating in 15 U.S. cities, track the flow of money to and from terrorist networks".


Give me a F-ing break! Just who are we so afraid of, terrorists or American citizens? No way that we need to employ so much redundancy. This has to be major tax payer money being wasted to "protect" us, and still all of the ports of entry are open, shipping containers are still inspected at the average rate of 1:5, Nuclear energy plants and other electrical power plants have a minimum of security --- so other then creating a massive and growing bureaucracy, just what have we accomplished since 9/11?

Even the Executive of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano admits she is not certain of the number of people or agencies under her command. Welcome to the New Democracy.
 

Robyn L. (80)
Monday July 19, 2010, 6:15 pm
Why am I not surprised? Thanks for sharing!
Gloria, I am one of those people who advocates more for animals than people. You pretty much know where you stand with animals. You know which wild animals might attack and kill you. You know which ones are carnivores. You know pretty much where they all live. Domesticated animals for the most part just want food, shelter, a kind word and a gentle touch. With people, it's a crap shoot.
 

. (0)
Monday July 19, 2010, 6:18 pm
Pessimism of the mind / optimism of the will-Antonio Gramsci Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity Thomas Mann The darkest hour comes before the dawn-Batman ...
We carry on because we have to,because it's who we are..sometimes things look bleak but change does come as history shows...the extension of the vote in many countries,the success of liberationist movements in South and Central America,an unstable but still strong peace in Northern Ireland,the end of apartheid,the coming down of the Stalinist Berlin Wall ...all were deemed to be impossible dreams at various depressing points along the way..
Where we are is in a situation of concentration of power in the hands of an oligarchal clique...represented by puppet governments, trans-global bodies like the IMF,World Bank and increasingly the European Parliament ..We have an illusion of democracy ..or rather we have an eroding democracy..people across the world march to the drumbeat of monopolies and self enriching corporations.Public services in the realms of health,education etc are deemed too costly to be run efficiently or even publically.Yet money is found for bail outs and the ruling class pay less and less tax...some pay less than the man or woman in the street.
Power is rarely revealed which safeguards it's existence.Following the last economic crash there was a breif window of opportunity to make radical change..but the masses were not conscious enough to grasp that chance.Instead the world has witnessed cuts being imposed upon those who were innocent victims of the greed fuelled crash.An alternative narrative has been spun,which blames all of us for spending too much or living beyond our means..that applies to welfare services too.
I will stick my neck out here in the expectation that my head may get chopped off,but some of Obama's interventions have not been bad..the idea of putting more money in the hands of the poorest (suggested in regards to extending unemployment relief recently) and even though the money won't be enough and any Democrat reform will be watered down,at least Obama is acting in a Keynesian fashion and going against the stupid,shallow neo-Friedmanite approach of cutting all government spending .Where Obama is wrong is in reference to the deference to the false notion of pursuing massive spending on the military budget..this must never be cut in line with common sense /other public services according to the conservative ideology which Obama largely continues to pursue.A note here governments rarely act consistently in their utilising of economic models.
There is a clearer message of hope though from other countries..the Greeks,French and Spanish are angry about the cuts imposed on them..while there are small signs that some of the British may not take the right wing imposed cuts lying down.
Chavez and Morales head imperfect governments but at least they are actively resisting the Washington consensus (consensus by who ??? what f*****g consensus ?)...
Also we here know what is going on and are prepared to debate to win hearts and minds...and to campaign and take action..
A small group of influential people can in itself change history..
So Magdelena don't give up...there is a whole world of difference we can make..and anyway those at the top want you to give up..and you really don't want to make them happy ..
 

. (0)
Monday July 19, 2010, 6:20 pm
PS abuse of animals and people are part and parcel of the same systems and processes..
 

Kit H. (174)
Monday July 19, 2010, 6:26 pm
Read this: Waltzing at the Doomsday Ball
Capitalism is dead, but we still dance with the corpse
http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2010/07/waltzing.html#more

 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Monday July 19, 2010, 6:31 pm
Thank you all above for commenting and those noting. Gloria, the last thing I would want is to get people like you feeling despair over just how bad many things are. We and our nation and this world are indeed hurting and more is in store, BUT wholesale and irreversible tragedy is avoidable if enough people awaken to the underlying causes of these huge problems and find the best in themselves and others and eventually turn the tide. It is exactly because of decent, caring, peaceloving and giving people like you that old warriors like me find a reason for hope and a reason to find our own courage no matter the odds. So don't you go despairing on me. Feelings such as you expressed -- like those of so many devoted good people on care2 -- are my own source of inspiration. Without people like you who ARE what I want the whole world to be, I'd just give up, and that's a fact!
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Monday July 19, 2010, 6:33 pm
Three cheers for Pandas of Resistance!!!
 

Kit H. (174)
Monday July 19, 2010, 6:42 pm
I submitted the article on care2 just after posting and hope more people can read it. If you can help to note it. Thanks!

http://www.care2.com/news/member/181228268/1814273
 

HELEN V. (51)
Monday July 19, 2010, 6:43 pm
Well friends, just think of all that money that has been invested in this counter terrorist project, if it was invested in re-inventing the economy of the US, helping create jobs develop new sectors of the economy ( a greener one for example)invest correctly in other countries which need development. This would take the carpet right under the feet of the terrorist movement. Where there is poverty or lack freedom you will always be able to recruit soldiers for terrorism... Fighting terrorism with counter iintelligence is ridiculous.
 

Tierney G. (383)
Monday July 19, 2010, 6:44 pm
Gregory you know how to say the right things at jus t the right time when some are down. Thank you :) We have to keep fighting but man is it hard. Noone is listening half the time or just don't care. hanging in there somehow.
 

Alice C. (1797)
Monday July 19, 2010, 6:46 pm
It's very important to keep one's faith at times like this.
 

Laurie IS AWAY S. (128)
Monday July 19, 2010, 6:50 pm
Good to post, Gregory :) And many excellent comments by Care2 members. Tried to send green stars, but as usual i already did!!! :)
 

Deborah O. (98)
Monday July 19, 2010, 6:51 pm
Fear and power are among the most dangerous of mixtures.
 

Hugh M. (75)
Monday July 19, 2010, 7:06 pm
I once heard Gore Vidal on radio saying that the U.S. economy has been built on the war industry since WWII and he was saying the 'war on drugs' was designed to keep that going. The war on drugs ain't got nothin' on this stuff! Psychologically it is disturbing because it is based on fear and like all fear based behaviour it is not healthy. From some points of view it is ludicrous that a nation should spend a huge chunk of its national budget spying on its own citizens in case they might be 'bad'. In reality it is sad and dangerous. Fear leads to violence. Psychopaths kill because of fear. Domestic violence perpetrators beat their families because their minds are full of insecurity - fear. These people think they are protecting themselves. In fact they are continuing what they are afraid of. The United States is doing the same. The day the people of the United States realize that their nation has become the biggest bully in the world, trampling on the rights of people all over the world and raining violence on much weaker nations, will be the day things change. I believe that ordinary Americans are people like me who hate that sort of thing. Name the lies of the military/industrial complex and rebuild a healthy America.
 

Suzanne S. (765)
Monday July 19, 2010, 7:19 pm
Magdalena...... we'll get a HUGE alarm clock - like 1,000 times the size of Big Ben....and set it for zero dark thirty... lol
 

Suzanne S. (765)
Monday July 19, 2010, 7:21 pm
I tried to send lots of green stars too Laurie S.... I'm in the same boat with you - hang on to the oars so we don't get stuck in the middle of the lake without being able to paddle! lol
 

Yvonne White (231)
Monday July 19, 2010, 7:26 pm
Bu$h League Bureaucracy Covered with the Audacity of Hope?;)

"These are some of the findings of a two-year investigation by The Washington Post that discovered what amounts to an alternative geography of the United States, a Top Secret America hidden from public view and lacking in thorough oversight. After nine years of unprecedented spending and growth, the result is that the system put in place to keep the United States safe is so massive that its effectiveness is impossible to determine.

The investigation's other findings include:

* Some 1,271 government organizations and 1,931 private companies work on programs related to counterterrorism, homeland security and intelligence in about 10,000 locations across the United States.

* An estimated 854,000 people, nearly 1.5 times as many people as live in Washington, D.C., hold top-secret security clearances.

* In Washington and the surrounding area, 33 building complexes for top-secret intelligence work are under construction or have been built since September 2001. Together they occupy the equivalent of almost three Pentagons or 22 U.S. Capitol buildings - about 17 million square feet of space."

 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Monday July 19, 2010, 7:31 pm
Just one thing of many that's so ridiculous: you realize that these "Spy vs, Spy" types are operating in their own echo chamber, right? It's all they read, all they think about, all they think there is! They're not protecting us! They're competing for funding, or to avoid losing out on the next round of finds. They want the newest toys, they want to scoop the other agencies, they want more territory, more authority... And between themselves and the active in-country military, they create hundreds more terrorists than if those agencies had never existed. Why so MANY agencies? Why not smaller departments of two or three agencies? They'd be beefed up, lean and efficient, with no more intra-agency fighting for their own budgets.This setup is a guarantee of inefficiency, waste and injustice.

We also need to decide what level of surveillance we actually need for "safety." More than that, and we're begging for a dictatorship. All that extra capacity has to go somewhere, and that's where the overflow will go. People have to DO SOMETHING to show they're doing a good job, and makework in this area is just stupidly dangerous. It isn't as though there was no possible other use for all this funding. And does almost one MILLION "Top Secret" clearances strike anyone else as insane? With what they're being paid, that's again begging for at least a few people opening up shop on the International "Street." How much value would some of that info have? This couldn't have been screwed up more completely than if someone had designed it that way, and it's yet another unplugged hole draining freely - from the economy, such as it is.

Ian

 

H Nick H. (1826)
Monday July 19, 2010, 7:57 pm
The more I learn what is truly going on in our country, the sicker I get. And I have to watch out for stress cause of my heart condition. But, the right wing republicans are doing all they can to destroy our country, one step at a time. And with 95% of the media controlled by them, it's difficult to get to the truth. But, that also is part of thier plan to create FEAR of the UNKNOWN of government. We become so dispirsed and turn to apathy, until we have lost all that we have now.

Becoming aware of things like this, all the secret societies in our midst, is important, if not a total overwhelm. But, we, the positive people of the US, need to stand up againsit these kinds of people, who seek to destroy our way of life........all in the name of (their) God.
 

Jill P. (70)
Monday July 19, 2010, 8:24 pm
Here is a video interview with one of the co-authors, Bill Arkin.
"Top Secret America" Washington Post Investigation Reveals Massive, Unmanageable, Outsourced US Intelligence System
Also another video interview right after...
Tim Shorrock Asks Why It Took the Washington Post So Long to Investigate the US Intelligence System
It is a three part Frontline series airing this Fall. Stay Tuned...
"Many security and intelligence agencies do the same work, creating redundancy and waste. For example, 51 federal organizations and military commands, operating in 15 U.S. cities, track the flow of money to and from terrorist networks".
And it is Medicare that Obama and Congress feel needs to get budget cuts. I love it.
Keep fattening up their corporate friends at the expense and lives of seniors and the disabled.
Nice country.
 

Cathi Hartline (248)
Monday July 19, 2010, 8:29 pm
Thank you Gregory for all you do!
Blessings,
 

MICHELLE S. (101)
Monday July 19, 2010, 8:41 pm
Like sands through the hourglass...so are the "days of our lives"
 

Janice Lawrence (43)
Monday July 19, 2010, 9:00 pm
This is scarier than any of the conspiracy theories because this is TRUE!
 

Edith B. (142)
Monday July 19, 2010, 9:17 pm
Thanks, Gregory, for posting this. The money spent on all these duplicate agencies could go a long way to reducing the national debt.
 

Jason C. (1)
Monday July 19, 2010, 9:20 pm
scary.
 

gerlinde p. (161)
Monday July 19, 2010, 9:27 pm
scary indeed, thannks for the article.
 

Jacque K. (35)
Monday July 19, 2010, 11:24 pm
ty Gregory noted. It really makes you want to cry knowing that this country is still up for sale and not even for the highest price, but for whatever we are willing to give up to get what some bureaucrat wants at any particular time.
 

Treasure Tree C. (354)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 12:04 am
Thanks Gregory.
 

z Buffypause o. (101)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 12:21 am
Note, thank you Gregory.
 

Marty H. (119)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 12:33 am
Thank you and noted!
 

Thomas C. (116)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 1:03 am
Sadly the title could be applied to virtually any state on the planet and somehow we expect better of the likes of America and indeed my own UK and so often we are disappointed that our "dream" is tainted with the activities of what should be redundant organisations! Following the simplistic intelligence requirements of the world wars and cold war the security services had to invent a new enemy with embellishments of WMDs and all the piled high obfuscation that led our two great countries into the Iraq conflict! Such is their self perpetuating unaccountability they have even gotten involved in the pursuit of peaceful animal welfare protesters and those who demonstrate against government for political reasons or any reason the grey suits of the CIA MI5 etc can think of to harass the citizen Those who appear at demonstrations have been photographed their vehicle details recorded and later found themselves the object of police stops and the like for no legal reason! It is not so absurd to believe that the intelligence "service" instigated 9/11 or killed Lady Di for their own devious self preservation agenda! The neat involvement of Muslims as the "enemy" in their plotting is somehow far too convenient for comfort in both of those situations!
 

Michael Masley (5)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 1:21 am
noted!
 

chris b. (2474)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 1:30 am
Gregory your observations have their usual insight and grasp of the action and I'm proud to count you as a friend! Hugh's observations on "Drug wars" leads me to echo the sentiments expressed by Thomas. Much of what we are told is not so much for our own good but the welfare of the security services whose ever those might be! After all they are not called cloak and dagger or smoke and mirror organisations for some empty reason and the title "Secret Service" should give us a clue to their devious agenda! What is really sad is that they exist at all and that we are conned in the process by their activities! I wonder how much of the third worlds debt and the unemployed of the US and UK could be addressed by the worldwide budget of these little boys clubs for old men! I would guess the small change would buy BP and the rest of the oil business the hidden assets would fund all of the third world debt, the coins kicking around in their fleets of vehicles would fund all the animal shelters for years! And what is the biggest secret they have kept, probably Chelsea Clinton's wedding arrangements! How about a petition to make the security services redundant throughout the world as it is likely there are no secrets left to be spied on anywhere! Unless of course they invent some!
 

Mack David (100)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 1:42 am
I agree with Thomas C above^.
Gregory a very long article ............
That reeked of $$$$$$$$$$$ being spent like children with a limitless budget in a toyshop.
Do not ever think that the government /major FATCORP care about the citizen.
I personally..
do not believe they do.
And 9/11 and terrorism is nothing more than a ploy to fool the world and get away with their barbaric games.
WHAT A WASTE OF MONEY.
I think everyone should just refuse to use the going currency and use MONOPOLY $$
Join the mentality .
 

Frank Pickens (126)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 2:41 am
There is so much explotation of our Citizens it is disgusting. You can not trust hardly anyone and never trust a bank, Lender, or any Politician. This is supoosed to be a free country, but it does not seem so anymore, and now we have a group wanting to raise mandatory retirement to the age of 70 !!!!!! That's right so we die before we can get our rightfully due SS Money. Greed is the root of all evil and we need to stop re-electing Congress people who have been in office for 20 years while they rob us blind and get their payoffs. I would not vote for any incumbant except those few Politicians who are doing good things for the American People. The longer they are in Congress the more corrupt they get.
 

Shirley S. (172)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 2:59 am
Noted with UNCERTAIN feelings.
 

Sharon Balloch (132)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 3:25 am
Noted but not surprised...
 

patricia lasek (317)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 5:41 am
Just more WASTE by oiur government started by the Bush admin. I am sorely disappointed that Mr. Obama is not doing more to clean this dirty house of ours.
Ian, I was reminded of MAD magazines Spy vs. Spy while reading this. Keystone Kops comes to mind also.

It is very refreshing to know that all have not given up hope in our Country. Start buying the biggest alam clocks you can get your hands on. Wake up America!
 

gail dair (0)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 6:04 am
noted thanks
 

Patrizia S. (315)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 6:07 am
it 's just depressing!! Thank you Gregory
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 6:09 am
Noted, In my opinion the U.S military has always been the power and is in power, not the president or the politicians, as we all know, commander and chief of military is only a post the president undertakes...he is not really the leader.
 

Elizabeth S. (149)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 6:31 am
Noted, thanks Gregory, I agree with Scott, the military is the real power running the U.S, and the military will be called in when martial law is declared to keep people like us from revolting against the corrupt powers that be.
 

Mary Alexander (23)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 6:35 am
Thank you Gregory for bring this to our attention. Great comments everyone.
 

ivonne c. (343)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 8:55 am
Thank you Gregory, it is not surprising this article...
 

Mj P. (43)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 8:59 am
This is an important article to note. The timing is great, as I watched the following documentary on Link TV last night:
http://www.linktv.org/programs/hijack
You can watch it in its entirety online...worthwhile...although I would like to see a sequel; a lot has happened since this was produced, but still worth the watch. It frames this article nicely. It gets harder and harder to watch Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc...but the whole point of controlling the masses through fear is encased in this piece. As I see it, everything is going according to plan.
This is the "Military Industrial Complex"...
 

Jason C. (1)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 9:21 am
Another thing that's secret is Meg Whitman's lies against Jerry Brown. For more info, go here.
bit.ly/honestyfail
 

Robert Champagne (10)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 9:49 am
Thank you Gregory for recognizing and bring this to light.

What people have failed to understand is our nation continues to reinvent itself in reasons to spend trillions on weapons. People also fail to recognize the havoc and mayhem we inflict on other countries in order to maintain dominance. If anyone bothered to read our history, you will soon discover corporations have long utilized our armed forces enabling them the ability of forcing themselves on other countries.

The ignorance of Americans and the majority of industrialized nation are astounding. People could not care less how we treat others. We have become a nation and nations of self serving, self indulgent criminals. People that accept the mistreatment of others are no better than the abusers.

Other countries are force to advance their weapons in hopes of defending themselves. Not much has change with humans since the earliest of times. We seek what others have and are willing to kill them for it. We call ourselves a Christian Nation; yes we are, right out of the dark ages where complete obedience was imposed. What brutally sick humans we are and neither God nor evolution seems to change the facts of our true nature.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 10:12 am
The phrase military-industrial complex was first used on January 17, 1961, by President Dwight D. Eisenhower in his farewell address to the nation in what is called his Military Industrial Complex Speech:

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
"We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."

His children suggest that in an earlier draft of the speech, he refered to the "military-industrial-congressional complex"
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 10:52 am
Janet, yes, I was close to and worked collaboratively for several years after Sept 11 with one of Ike's grandaughters (Mary Eisnehower). Ike was acutely aware of the process of pork-barreling, by which Congressmen supported huge Defense budgets because they included "pork" for their state or district. The pork to my current state of CT includes Pratt Whitney, Sikorsky, and Electric Boat (submarines). Employment for constituents (and contractor campaign donations and other bribes) for the politicians fuels the insanity. Imagine if just a fourth of all those billions for Defense and Homeland Security were spent employing people to develop and build solar, wind and biomass energy sources. We'd get an enormous long-term payback and would not be subjected to manipulation to fight wars and destroy our environment in order to insure access to oil. The huge sums going to "Homeland Security" introduce the subject of highly paid govt appointees and contractors building fiefdoms and joining the ranks of the elite who enrich themselves with the blessing of the wealthy oligarchs as a cost of doing business. Worse, we are rapidly entering the realm of 1984, a totalitarian police state every bit as controlling and oppressive as Stalinist Russia or Mao's China. In all of this I think the problem is not big govt per se, but ANY govt, whether large or small in scope and no matter its form, that is controlled by a wealthy few.
 

Wild Thang (9)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 10:52 am
We on this tiny jewle of life called Earth are approaching the limits of our planet. This kind of waste on paranoia and the wast on the destructiveness of war cannot be maintained for much longer. We will be forces to learn for the first time in human history to live within the means of our planet, sustainably and with zero population growth and to recognize our ffinite interdependent system where the whole and the individuals have a place with equal rights but no part has a right to domiante the planet. if we cannot learn to balance our living with our planet we will be the cause of our own extinction. The is no choice in the matter, it is inevitable and the longer we wait the harder the lesson... we can no longer run our lives on the paradigm of war against each other and our planet as rape and pillage of our global village...
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 11:16 am
Noted, thank you for the posting Gregory.
 

Penelope P. (222)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 12:15 pm
The last really threat I heard of for the US was jellyfish bunging up a nuclear plantthere. Another was the gas miners in peoples backyards bunging up the4 water supply with leakages and effecting the ground water and even the US -NYork official catchment area- The enemy seems more within than without.
A nuclear plant exploding from a jellyfish bungup is still a nuclear plant exploding- The sort of local Chenoble which would make 9/11 look like a picnic.
The sort of dishonesty that the gas people reveal may be the real enemy- As long as people do not treat others honestly or decently on a national or international level- Why man we got problems an they ain't going to go away however we bloat the "security budget".
 

jodi m. (37)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 12:35 pm
thank you for bringing this to our attention
 

Michael Carney (207)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 12:58 pm
There's so many great posts, I wish I could send everyone a Star...I think since they basically blew President Kennedy's head off in 1963...The Military Industrial Complex, and the Corporations within the Complex, has seized control, of our Country, and all they want is War, so that the Defense Contractors, make Billions of Dollars, the Military budget is approaching a Trillion Dollars a year, the rich get richer, because the middle class pays for all this with their tax money... And they use these Wars, as kind of a population control device...They send our poor and middle class youth over to fight,and at the same time we kill many innocent people in the Countries we invade, as well as do a number on the Military of that Country...Then when our brave soldiers come home, broken both physically, and mentally, the military don't even want to take care of them...The only one's who win are the Rich, and the Corporations...We are left fending for ourselves, as they cut State budgets, and the Bastards are fighting tooth and nail not to fund Unemployment Benefits, to people who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own...They have gotten so greedy, to the point they'd rather let people starve, and die, and lose their homes, rather than do the right thing...I could go on, but I think mostly everyone on here knows what's happening, and it does make you want to cry, and make you angry, that this once great Country, has sunk to the low it has become...This is, in my opinion, not the United States, that our founding Fathers created, and that past generations of America have fought and died for...It has become, The United Corporations of America, and we all have become their Puppets, in the game they play...Very Sad!!!!
 

Cary Mostly-Away (94)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 1:32 pm
The USA has become the largest export country in the world.
I'm not talking about merchandise from factory workers, I'm talking about JOBS.
Globalization can't fully be implemented until the middle class is completely destroyed,
by design, in the USA.
They are almost there as all of you are witnessing.
Very soon BUSH will be able to bring out his MISSION COMPLETE sign again,
and this time keep it up permanently on the White House.
Perhaps change the color of it from RED to BLUE so it will match better with the current propaganda.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 1:50 pm
Michael, you said it well. There are of course good things to say about the USA, but increasingly they are giving over to situations and trends that no caring, thoughtful and informed person can feel good about. My own father fought in WWII, a war I think justified and necessitated by the slaughtering actions of the Nazis and imperial militarists who'd gained control of Japan. The vast majority of our fathers and grandfathers risked and gave their lives without any thought whatsoever of gain for themselves, and it pains me that a greedy elite manipulate our citizens and their sons and daughters into sacrifices of their lives and security and means to sustain their families and selves and all life on earth in the name of security for their nation and freedom and democracy for others. BUT, THERE ARE MANY GOOD-HEARTED AMERICANS STILL STANDING AND AWAKE TO WHAT IS HAPPENING. THEY STAND FOR SOMETHING WE CAN BE PROUD OF, AND THEY ARE PEOPLE WE CAN BE GRATEFUL TO HAVE TO STAND ALONGSIDE. Look around. We may be outnumbered, but we are not alone.
 

Gysele van Santen (210)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 2:25 pm
thanks, noted.
 

linda b. (190)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 3:06 pm
I think all governments are crazy,we got the Tories from hell. Thank You Gregory.
 

wendy w. (47)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 5:06 pm
Thank you Gregory. Very insightful as usual.
 

Marie Therese H. (10)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 5:56 pm
Very thought provoking article. Sure got a lot of reactions.....I wonder if it's not to late to turn the tide!
 

Magdalena M. (0)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 6:28 pm
I like what Robert Champagne and Michael Carney wrote. Every time I read about war and that somebody got killed, either from our side or the other, I just want to scream. And what I see around is a huge indifference, apathy. As if it was normal. Our soldiers die, some of them go nuts and rape and kill pregnant Iraqi women. And what I hear from people is: where is the proof? It is sick, very sick. People kill people, because rich want them to, and almost everybody is OK with that. How can be this possible? No wonder that we have to fight with an animal abuse and mass killing. There is no respect for human life.
Gregory, you said: "BUT, THERE ARE MANY GOOD-HEARTED AMERICANS STILL STANDING AND AWAKE TO WHAT IS HAPPENING. THEY STAND FOR SOMETHING WE CAN BE PROUD OF."
I don't know how many good Americans are standing and are awake, but this is what they do, just STAND.
Stand and watch innocent dying. For how many years? Almost 10. This is a very long time and many lives gone. We just had an article, that thanks to us: 100,000 Iraqi women are widows, we don't know how many children died, which is unacceptable and how many widows we have on our side.
So I just want to scream and scream and nothing is coming out. Because I am standing also and it is exactly the same as if I was killing those children and let them rape young girls. I see well what is happening. I am awake and it hurts so much, that sometimes I envy people who don't see or don't want to see and feel.
 

Magdalena M. (0)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 6:43 pm
I just read about:Demonstration to Mark Three-Month Anniversary of BP Oil Disaster. I agree it is horrible. We don't know yet how it will change the ocean and life in it. We know they killed lots of animals and my favorite dolphins.
But what about demonstration to mark those wars. Are we waiting for the third one with Iran this time just standing? We are not cats, we don't have 9 lives to live and neither they have. That is why I fight to save them, at least I can do this.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 7:09 pm
Magdelana, I am reminded of the only photo I posted on my profile page, and the "I Can See Clearly Now" music video and comment I posted in explanation of the photo. It is painful to witness the needless or inflicted suffering of innocents, whether human or animal. But we are obliged, for the sake of sparing all we can, whether immediately or on some glorious day in the future, to not only bear witness to that suffering and speak out against it, BUT TO FIND SOURCES OF COMFORT AND JOY so that we can find within us the ability to continue the struggle for justice, peace and merciful compassion for all life. Temporary despair is inevitable for many and deserves our sympathetic or empathetic support. You have mine. But permanent despair is tantamount to surrender, and translates to paving the way to even more suffering among the innocents with whom we share this earth. So I'm gonna go listen to I Can See Clearly Now a couple times, and hope you catch a few strains of it in the ether. You're well worth it. And so are they.
 

Teresa K. (33)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 7:49 pm
Thank you Gregory! Wish I could send a dozen green stars. You manage to write the words that I cant seem to find!!
 

Steven Gray (55)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 8:23 pm
Thanks for the post Gregory. I am not surprised by this at all. An appropriate quote is in order.
" But they lie in wait for their own blood; they lurk secretly for their own lives. So are the ways of everyone who is greedy for gain; it takes away the life of it's owners." This is what our government and politicians and the other world governments have set themselves up for.
 

Matloob ul Hasan (81)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 8:58 pm
Noted, thanks.
 

Rachel D. (57)
Tuesday July 20, 2010, 10:15 pm
Teachers are being laid off, children's health insurance canceled and job training programs defunded all so this government can gives billions of dollars to contractors to slosh around and burn with no accountability. At some point this empire building crap has to end, and I prefer sooner rather than later, while we still have some semblance wealth and stability left in the country.

 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Wednesday July 21, 2010, 12:27 am
Start with 9-11 - I'm assuming everybody realizes by now that it was a false-flag op. They used it as an excuse to hijack Iraq for their oil, a position of strength in the Middle East, and Bush's ego and desire for vengeance. They declared it "War On Terror." Terror is a tactic; it isn't a country, a person or anyone or anything else that can sign a surrender or a treaty, and no matter HOW peaceful the world becomes, they can always insist they need the WOT capabilities or the terrorists could come back. In other words, IT'S FOREVER! Unless we end it. Protecting us? Bullshit! The War On Terror ALONE has done more damage to America than every terrorist who ever lived! JUST LIKE THE WAR ON DRUGS! it has done more damage to America and Americans than the drugs could if they were our sole crop and export and everyone could have as much of whatever they wanted for free! All of these resources have been used to drain the economy and with the Republican's deregulation, to destroy America's industrial capacity. It's also an excuse to allow the infrastructure to fall to pieces. With all of this computerized spying and almost a million spies or support personnel, they have no enemy to turn them on but the citizens of the US. If we were to have the same spy agencies there were before 9-11, maybe streamlined a little bit, we'd probably stand a better chance of stopping acts of terrorism than we do now.

The War On Drugs has, at the operations end of things where the rubber meets the road, a lot of well-conditioned fanatics. Where there are drugs and money involved, they see CRIME - PERIOD! Even when they're just looking at ordinary doctor/patient relationships. And they have DEVASTATED the medical field in the area of pain care, and all but destroyed 75 MILLION Americans who could be functional, productive human beings instead of the disabled, suffering burdens on the public they have no choice of becoming. At higher levels, there are some fanatics, and some empire-building cynics who don't care how many people get hurt, as long as their careers are moving forward. And at the VERY top, the "elites" are giving the order and hatching the plots that will keep Americans needy, coming up shorter and shorter, keep them afraid, now, of their own government who go after anything and anyone they have an excuse to go after, and with that sort of power, there are no innocents as far as the cops are concerned.

The same is happening in the War On Terror. The more they spend, the more capability they have, so the more they have to use. The Middle East is all but saturated with probably the most destructive, pitiless military since the Golden Horde. The ones at the top of this war have the world in their sights, and the usual well-conditioned suckers to do their dirty work. You DON'T protect a "free" people or a way of life by taking away those freedoms and turning the people over to fanatics who see guilt everywhere, and who believe, as with the drug War, that it's better to destroy 1,000 innocent lives and BURN the Constitution than to allow one would-be terrorist or one addict to get away with something. So that's NOT what they're doing.

If the government were to take a lesson from history, and do the reasonable thing and a nationalize the Fed while removing the foreign nationals and the traitors who have deliberately run the country into the ground, we could start another Conservation Corps. There's an entire country's infrastructure to repair/replace/update. We could allow teachers to TEACH, of all things, get all the idiot regulations out of the way and allow the states and the teachers to do what they know how to do. We could get out from between doctors and their patients, force reasonable prices on Big Pharma, break up Monsanto and the other Big Ag and biotech firms, and again, use the C.C. idea to start cleaning up the mess the corporations have made of our country. We could build factories again and actually have an export or two again - besides war, I mean.

If we could get "the Authorities" out of the way, Americans KNOW what to do. Farmers grow food, and if they're not being blackmailed with regs and giant corporations that want complete control of an entire industry no matter how many people they poison, we could easily feed ourselves - with actual healthy, organic food, not all of this processed, engineered food-like commodities that cause most of the diseases Americans are treated for. There are clean energy technologies available - if we get the government and the corporations out of the way. We could build a transportation system that makes Eurorail look like a toy, without despoiling the beauty of the land it passes through. We could do damned near ANYTHING. Except there are all these people who think they know what's best for us, who are so certain of it, they're willing to destroy as many of us a necessary to do it. And there are the "elites". They just want it all: all power, all the wealth, all the authority, all the land and water and everything else. They figure since they're genetically superior (proved by the fact that they're rich), they deserve it all. And we're just a step above domestic animals anyway, so what happens to us doesn't really matter as long as they have the servants they need.

So where do we start on a mess like this? Round up the Rothschilds, Rockefellers and the rest? Take everything they've stolen from America back and boot 'em out? That would be a good start. Whatever happens though, these fake "wars" against manufactured enemies that are ultimately aimed at destroying America have GOT to stop.

Ian
 

Nina L. (17)
Wednesday July 21, 2010, 2:47 am
The elite has everything they want ... but there is still something they desire,
the DESIRE FOR ABSOLUTE CONTROL & POWER.
This will be their last game. For this game they need to de-populate the planet .... what they do with vaccination, genetic engineered food, chemtrails, general pollution, prohibiting herbs, vitamins, natural treatments etc. The next thing is to erase the middle class .... no money, no jobs, because they could be dangerous for this game. And then they want to give everybody a chip under the skin, like animals ..... only pills for eating ..... and forced work.

AMERICA WILL BE THE FIRST COUNTRY to introduce it .... in case NOT enough people awaken.
I fear for the American people.
 

Beng Kiat Low (128)
Wednesday July 21, 2010, 2:48 am
thanks
 

Cary Mostly-Away (94)
Wednesday July 21, 2010, 7:27 am
We Are All One Consciousness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ltdMp_lh8s&feature=player_embedded
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Wednesday July 21, 2010, 8:15 am
Thank you all for your exellent contributions to this thread. The top 20% of Americans now own 93% of all it's wealth, and half of that is in the hands of the elite 1% who control the huge multinational corporations mostly headquartered in the USA and concentrated in banking, oil, defense (incl aerospace), pharma and chemicals, who in turn control or excessively influence most of our politicians and govt. Via deregulation, free trade, maintenance of our dependence on oil, tax breaks for themselves and huge govt contracts for their corporations they exported USA jobs, robbed our Treasury, enriched themselves and impoverished more millions. By hyping the threat of terrorism they've expanded on the huge defense spending pork barrel, extending it into the realm of security, which encompasses communications and database technology, surveillance, and policing functions.
They are merciless in their greed, keep a small fraction of the population well paid to do their bidding, and together they are highly skilled at manipulation of public opinion. And they are very close to having an ability to impose totalitarian control. Of course it would be initiated in the name of preventing domestic terrorism and civil disorder.
We have our work cut out for us.
 

Thomas D. (12)
Wednesday July 21, 2010, 8:16 am
Noted, Thanks
 

Kathleen C. (18)
Wednesday July 21, 2010, 9:44 am
Horrifying but not surprising. I do not put anything past our government. We are spied on daily without our knowledge. With cameras in malls, on street corners on th internet, Facebook, Twitter. Even here at Care2. What we post, what petitions we sign. Nothing is unavailable to the National Security Orgs, FBI, CIA, etc. Big Brother is much much bigger than we ever imagined.
 

Cher Away Personal Msgs ONLY (1466)
Wednesday July 21, 2010, 11:14 am


Thnx hun!


 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Wednesday July 21, 2010, 11:26 am
Yes Kathleen, and you left one out: cell phones. You may have seen crime shows where local police and DAs prove where the bad guy was at a given time via records of the cell tower transmitting their phone's signal. I happened to have a friend who coordinated cell tower construction crews in CT 2002, and had to get federal security clearance to get the job, and sign a secrecy document. My friend wasn't made privy to any secrets, except one: Homeland Security had access to all the cell signals so they could listen to any cell call they wished without a warrant, as well as tower encryption so as to know where the call was being made. We all know that this surveillance capability is applied to the War On Terror. We all know that it gives govt the ability to surveil and arrest anyone it wishes for such things as conspiracy, sedition, treason, etc etc. I imagine a future Pres elected with the help of Murdoch's Glenn beck or Rush Limbaugh deciding to arrest people like me. I wonder if young people realize that Nixon faced impeachment not because of Watergate, but because it led to the discovery he'd ordered the FBI and IRS to investigate, harass, and destroy his political enemies, and that the FBI and IRS were in fact in the early stages of acting on those orders.
All that said, my immediate concern is the huge waste and manipulation of public opinion into supporting war and spending on this stuff. The risk of it being used to achieve totalitarian control needs the election of a neocon or Newt gingrich or Sarah Palin to the WhiteHouse, so we have at least until Nov 2012 before we have to be afraid of that. Heck, Nov 2012 is over two years away, so we can relax. Heck, we geared up for decdes of war in the middle East in less time than that!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday July 21, 2010, 12:25 pm
I feel so safe now! Knowing that all my Constitutional Rights have been suspended and put away somewhere safe, to be protected.
Until I forget I ever had any rights...
Oh well, The United States, another failed experiment.

“The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of [private cartel] lending institutions and moneyed incorporation's." - Thomas Jefferson

 

Glenda J. (158)
Wednesday July 21, 2010, 12:48 pm
We have known this complete disaster to be a shame right from the beginning our Governement also killed Kennedy Old news but it's an awakening for thos e who need to open there minds and not be led around like lambs. Our culprit has been our Government for many many decades. READ american conspiracy (Jesse Ventura)you want to read a wake up call he will inform you on matters that have been under the rug for decades, shamefull no wonder we have been SOLD OUT TO OHTHER COUNTRIES.
 

Eric Pinto (91)
Wednesday July 21, 2010, 1:51 pm
noted
 

Cary Mostly-Away (94)
Wednesday July 21, 2010, 2:04 pm
Glenda, I am reading that book now ( Jesse Ventura) I second the motion to buy it ASAP.
Gregory,in regards to your great comments on security- the gov't has lots to hide.
If they were above board and for the people they wouldn't be so scared themselves what everyone is doing.
If you have many, many secrets to hide you get paranoid and want to know what the people are saying and thinking of you, right. I'm willing to bet 99% of us are on one list or another. It's like the tax code, there is so many rules and regulations in there everyone is breaking a law of some sort at any given time to keep us under their thumb and scared. It will get worse too unless the people realize this is there mandate and wake up.They have all the money and resources in the world to do things to us we are totally in the dark about.

Like the link above I supplied " We Are All One Consciousness " all it takes is a few sheep to say No More to turn the tide on the sheep herder and his dog for them to loose the illusion of control they have over us.
There is too many of us for them to control us effectively so they are trying to thin out the herd many different ways be it our GM food supply, or chemtrail air pollution dumping poisons on us everyday to fluoridation of our drinking water all keeping us somewhere between sick and dead. These are hard realities to wrap your minds around but they don't think like us- they are better than us- therefore we are expendable containers to them. from birth to death we are profit centers to them especially in the Pharmaceutical medical arena.
Nearly everything you think you know is fiction, and what you think is fiction is probably closer to the truth.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Wednesday July 21, 2010, 2:56 pm
John, thank you for contributing the Jefferson quote. He made many such statements in an effort to convince his fellow Founders of the need to put safeguards against corporate power and influence into the constitution.
Woodrow Wilson approved the Fed as a private corporation serving as the clearinghouse for federal borrowing. It is owned by the banks from whom we borrow. We now know as a matter of historical fact that the Fed was the product of a conspiracy of the banking cartel to increase its vast wealth, charging interest on debt backed by taxpayers for money they tell Treasury how much to print, on which they also make money selling to others, but which they themselves do not back. Yes, they make money coming and going and when they went too far, we gave them nearly a trillion, about $8 billion of which they used to pay themselves huge bonuses while we lost our jobs, savings and homes. It's all a true story, more outrageous than any fiction movie you could concoct, and it's still true! Our govt has not put one of them in prison yet, but more regular folk will be foreclosed and evicted and bankrupted this year than last year. Bankrupt. Interesting word. Bank-rupt.

Glenda, interesting, the connection of the history above to JFK and matters of "defense" and secret "intelligence" operations. He was assassinated shortly after issuing two Exec Orders, one instructing the CIA not to wage unauthorized war, the other instructing treasury to dismantle the Fed. The CIA hated JFK, felt he betrayed them by hamstringing the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba, and they were livid he did not support their plan to escalate to overt war in Viet Nam. JFK planned to order them out. LBJ hated JFK and RFK. The day after he was sworn in he cancelled JFK's CIA order and told Treasury to disregard the order to dismantle the Fed. Told Treasury he needed the Fed to finance war in Viet nam, in a way that obscured the cost to taxpayers. Also, JFK was going to can Hoover at FBI, thought him dangerous, knew he was a blackmailer and a racist, knew that he was out of control. LBJ reappointed Hoover and gloated over it as an "up yours" message to RFK. Remember Nixon getting Hoover's FBI and the IRS into destroying his political enemies. Nixon was tight with the CIA. Remember Nixon's recorded comment worrying that the CIA's activities re Cuba and JFK might be uncovered? Glenda I was always frustrated that no incontrovertible proof has emerged that the CIA arranged to have JFK killed with help from the Mafia, even though it has been documented that the CIA enlisted the mob in trying to kill Castro, promising the mob they'd help them get their lucrative Havana casinos back. But just a couple months ago care2 friend Ben gave me a link to a video I'd never seen before. It shows an agent giving the bodyguards orders to stand down just as the limo turned onto the plaza where Oswald shot JFK from behind. I've can think of no explanation for what I see on the video than this: the agent knew JFK was to be shot from behind at that point, and the two bodyguards didn't. It's not proof, but it has me more convinced than ever that the CIA had JFK killed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8

My apologies for digressing from the content of the post at hand, which is about using the threat of terrorists to build a huge and redundant set of secret operations hiring thousands of corporate contractors with over 800,000 employees involved. Nobody has any idea how much money is being spent, but it would not surprise me if it exceeds $50 Billion a year and conceivably approaches $100 Billion. I recall reading somewhere that a lot of covert/secret spending is buried in various department budgets, not all in Defense or Justice, and it's typically funneled through dummy corporations run by several different govt departments and agencies to recipient contractors.
 

Margaret M. (0)
Wednesday July 21, 2010, 3:42 pm
sneaky! thanks for sharing!
 

JoAnne Perdue (50)
Wednesday July 21, 2010, 6:51 pm
NOTED...
 

David R. (45)
Wednesday July 21, 2010, 7:03 pm
Noted, thanks Gregory.
 

Magdalena M. (0)
Wednesday July 21, 2010, 7:11 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Cary because you have done so within the last week.
 

Magdalena M. (0)
Wednesday July 21, 2010, 7:20 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Gregory because you have done so within the last week.
Thank you Gregory. Let's keep them busy, I know they are here, I don't know how fast they can read, but this section is probably well observed. If I could I would put my finger up to them.
I am not afraid, it is so many of us, and their power - army is made of us. They know it well. The same was in Poland, army joined resistance. It happened in every country in Europe. They have poisons, this I do NOT LIKE.
I wouldn't like to see: The Last Man Standing.
 

lorraine c. (16)
Wednesday July 21, 2010, 8:22 pm
Thank you, Gregory. What a sad state of affairs we will leave for the next generation.
 

William K. (328)
Wednesday July 21, 2010, 9:32 pm
What worries me, among other things expressed in this article, is the fact that we are outsourcing our intelligence to private contractors. That means that the intelligence being gathered is in the hands of corporations, and that the ones in the dark are the government and American people.

 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Wednesday July 21, 2010, 9:33 pm
THANKS AND NOTED.
 

Kathy Chadwell (371)
Wednesday July 21, 2010, 11:47 pm
Actually this has been going on for many years,, my opinion is that with 911 (and yes, I believe it was an inside job) it opened the door for the patriot act (which I was totally against) Dennis Kucinich voted in vain against it to the point where he asked if anybody else had bothered to read it in it's entirety.
They admitted NO... But with the patriot act what we have allowed is for more of our freedom and right to know, to disappear and for them to operate more opening in our own back yards and guess what, you're not supposed to ask nor speak out.. What bothers me is why is the Washington Post which is owned by Rupert Murdoch now addressing this issue? He helped bring this about. What is that little worms agenda?
Thank you Gregory
 

patricia lasek (317)
Thursday July 22, 2010, 4:16 am
Gregory, thank you for the video and song on your page. Start brewing that really strong coffee and WAKE UP AMERICA!
 

j C. (63)
Thursday July 22, 2010, 10:00 am
Almost 1 million employees, and they are surprised there are leaks?? So many of these million are in the private sector and they expect security?? They live among the wealthiest, who like George Bush, Sr. have no idea what it's like to be an average citizen (You remember, he'd never seen groceries scanned!?!)?? How could these elite really care about the "Little People" (to us the the recent words of BP)?? So much corruption is in the wealthy elite/corporations, yet our gonvernment trusts them with secrets?? Where is the check and balance system?!?! I'm sure every leading country has this same nonsense going on; gotta keep up--no, ahead---of the Joneses. But to what end? Did they prevent the bombing attempt of TImes Square a few months ago? No. Not just because the terrorist botched it, but because it was an average Joe that noticed a problem and called it in. Before that moment, these nearly 1 million employees knew nothing about it. Meanwhile, departments like the FDA don't have enough manpower to protect us from all the deadly crap that comes across our borders or is produced in our own country. Really!!!!!!
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Thursday July 22, 2010, 10:33 am
KathyC, that it was named the Patriot Act is so telling of the use of propaganda to manipulate perception and public opinion. Why link terrorism, security, surveillance and intelligence to patriotism? To use appeals to patriotism to get support for defense spending and war!

And sometimes to take things to the next level, which some people already want to do. Need proof? Here it is:

Just yesterday a few Repubs in the House announced formation of the Tea Party Caucus. The Congresswoman who initiated that caucus is on record that people who say the kinds of things I've said on this thread should be investigated for treason by Homeland Security. When questioned about this by a reporter she didn't backtrack or deny it, and said she meant exactly what she said. You may recall that Glenn Beck has said several times that liberals must be eradicated. Millions agree with him.

As to Rupert Murdoch and the Post: Murdoch has his libertarian political agenda, and he ruthlesslessly enforces his demand for profit from every company. but he does not enforce his political agenda on every media companies he buys. So I don't see an ulterior motive of Murdoch behind the Post expose. Even a totalitarian, terrorist-paranoid war-monger would oppose the huge waste etc of the beareaucratic redundancy revealed by the Post's investigation. So too, I think, would any Dem, Repub, Independent, Tea Partier or Libertarian, Murdoch included. It's insane no matter your political or policy views, even if you want to investigate and deport or imprison people like me. Heck, shouldn't cost more than a couple hundred a head.

William, excellent point, and Patricia, thank you, I can't afford cream these days but the spoon in my coffee cup is standing straight up!
 

Mj P. (43)
Thursday July 22, 2010, 2:25 pm
I'm confused about what it is that you are saying in regards to Rupert Murdoch.
And I understand that there is danger in opposing our government, etc. I'm okay with it. I am living my life according to my own inner integrity and I am constantly reading and learning about ways to overcome these unimaginable obstacles. We are living in a time where there will be a huge, cataclysmic event (in addition to the ones that are currently unfolding) and there is no choice but to change (humankind) or we face inevitable mass extinction. We all know that we are in for even more serious and dire (not able to be typed in simple terms) times.

I would like to share names of positive influential people - powerful visionaries - as I come across them. I heard a very insightful man on FSTV the other night....his name is "Sharif Abdullah" and he has written a few books, "Creating a World That Works for Everyone"... "Seven Seeds for a New Society." He also mentioned a book (not new really) by Daniel Quinn..."Ishmael"....I haven't read any of these books yet...any feedback?

I think that it is vital to feed our heads with ways to 'deal with' what we know and learn so that we are effective. Our psyches need to be kept in check. When I discover new information, it is important for me to sift through it, make sure that it is factual, and then let it sink in.

This is where gaining insight from people such as Abdullah is valuable...his philosophy is based on 'consciousness'. He stresses how we can list all of the world problems that we face...and try to address each one (there aren't enough hours in the day)....but it all reverts back to the same concept. 'Consciousness'....

Every problem and issue that we face is more than just the physical issue itself (hole in the ozone layer, homelessness, oil spill, etc.) We know what we need to do logically and physically to correct these issues, but the profound solution and only solution comes from the question that applies to all of our ills: HOW DID WE GET HERE?

He stated that he was basically blown away by how humans treat one another and the earth. He is right. Especially in these times, we need to think of 'inclusion' rather than exclusion, which is what the religions do...they exclude and judge and categorize as good or evil...(or use it as an excuse to go to war)...WE HAVE TO RAISE OUR LEVEL OF CONSCIOUSNESS NOW MORE THAN EVER. If we aren't already...we will be in survival mode.

I loved listening to Abdullah, it inspired me to reach inside of myself and be ready and willing to love others and help, which is an aspect of my profession...healing through transformative arts...I think it is more critical now than ever....

We (the aware) will be most effective if we can inhabit this sense of wisdom and calm, because fear is a form of violence and when living in fear, we are unable to function and are easily controlled. As outrageous as all of this is that has been going on for decades, it is key that we find inner calm before we proceed in all that we do...it isn't always easy. It is disturbing to see people turning against each other out of fear and desperation. It is disturbing to see the government and people like Glenn Beck say that liberalsmust be eradicated. Stay grounded and move forward. Fear and anger is dangerous. Those who are at the helm (elite, gov't etc.) are banking on it. Don't do it.

I apologize for digressing from the thread...but it is related.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Thursday July 22, 2010, 4:55 pm
Mj, sorry I don't have the time at present to attempt a clearer explanation of my comment about Rupert Murdoch in response to Kathy C's question, and my reading list is now backlogged a few years, my eyes having been usurped by a blizzard of internet sites and newsletters I monitor almost daily.

I personally have no fear of any "them" whatsoever, and certainly hope neither the article nor any comment of mine or anyone else causes anyone to think they should be afraid to exercise their right of free speech. And yes, it is incumbent upon all of us to find ways to celebrate our emotions as our companions but not allow them to become our emperors, and to remember what it is we are trying to achieve and why.


 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Thursday July 22, 2010, 9:10 pm
Just a quick comment - I got to thinking about this, and that size and kind of "security" operations is designed for INTERNAL SECURITY! You can't send that many spies out all over the world! Besides, we've seen how well-trained out foreign operatives are, right? No, this is for spying on, reporting on, grabbing and disappearing, infiltrating, setting up United States citizens! They're a LOT more afraid of us than they are of their made-to-order Middle Eastern terrorists!

Ian
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Thursday July 22, 2010, 10:03 pm
Something else, here folk: in a way, there are essentially two Americas. The largest group is We the People. We're taught patriotism from the beginning, and American exceptionalism. It
s difficult and made so deliberately for Americans to travel to Europe or other places that are "too far away." Most of lower and Middle Class America didn't and doesn't travel widely. A European vacation is for upper-Middle class. The rest of us watch National Geographic, the Travel Channel and such things. A vacation is a trip to another state. We're actually kept pretty isolated that way! That helps a lot when the propaganda comes onto the tube, the radio and into newspapers and magazines. When they set up a war in some other country, a few people might pipe up with, "Wait a minute - it isn't LIKE that there, not at all!" But the rest of us don't know any better. We get little or real news from areas our military is invading - just the managed picture they want us to have, and the reasons have gotten more and more flimsy. This "policeman of the world" BS is a crock - we've been the bully on the block who shows up, shoots who we want, sprays farmer's crops poisoning everything and everyone in sight, and as far as we citizens are concerned, no one says a thing! People don't even question our "bringing Democracy" to other countries. How?? We don't have it ourselves! and what business do we have even trying to accomplish something like that? Not that it's what's ever really happening. we topple any genuine republics and democracies and replace them with dictatorship, which are MUCH better for corporations to deal with. Bring democracy? Hell, we arm and train death squads to terrorize the people who oppose our pet dictators! What are they calling the School of the Americas now?

That idealistic center of America is the one our wannabe totalitarian government is afraid of now. You can't create patriots like that and then just tell them to turn it off, shut up and get in line with the program, we're a dictatorship now. Yet that's almost exactly what they're trying to do. Look at their lists of "potential homegrown terrorists" and what kind of people they're comprised of: self-described patriots, veterans young and old, anti-war dissenters and protesters, "gun freaks" (anyone who owns a gun), We're taught to be proud of the Constitution and the liberties we have that we're told no one can take away - and then they take some more of them away every time some idiot sets his boxer shorts on fire or something. Their problem is that while Americans are uninformed, and many have gotten lazy where political participation is concerned, most of us are NOT cowards. They've been drugging us, conditioning us in various ways continually, poisoning us, all of which drains our health and our energy, and STILL they know damned well that if they push to far, too hard, too fast in the wrong direction, there wouldn't be enough firearms and super-weapons on earth to protect them from a conscious and betrayed citizenry! If the knowledge we all have here were to get out generally, proofs and all, and the majority of citizens understood and believed, it would be over before it began, and they know it. That's why the lack of transparency, the attacks on whistleblowers, the protesters being attacked, the poisoned vaccines, the added fluoride and on and on and on. That's why all the divisiveness, all the attacks on every cause under the sun - to keep us ignorant, ill, separated and not working together. They screwed up and allowed us to see what we could be when we pulled together, when red tape got cut and tossed aside and everyone was working toward the same goals during WWII. We went from a mostly rural, farming country to the greatest industrial power that ever existed. It's taken them almost seven decades to tear that down, dumb us down, "prove" to us how hard it is to make a decent living, how "necessary" a central authority is - if we're going to be kept down and quiet. I think the "elites" are chewing their fingernails to the elbows trying to make sure they can kill off enough of us and make the rest sick enough that they CAN pull of this takeover. And you know, I think they're probably going to jump the gun, AND with an excuse, yet another Pearl Harbor, a Reichstag Fire, Lusitania or 9-11, and it's going to be so FAKE that even Joe Farmer, even the semi-literate high school and college kids and all the rest of us won't be able to miss it for a change. It's going to have to be horrendous, and instead of making us afraid, it's going to show ALL who the real enemy is. THAT'S when the Internet will get shut down. And that's when we start looking amongst ourselves and to Hell with the lying government for new leaders and for some plans for self-defense and rebuilding.

I hope. It's sure starting to look that way though.

Ian
 

Michael Carney (207)
Friday July 23, 2010, 1:08 am
Gergory, thanks for your kind words, regarding my comments, from yesterday...My Father, too was in the Army, and fought in WWII, and I completely agree, WWII was definitely a justified War, and was fought for a noble cause...And I also agree with you, that I know there's still a lot of good people, in this Country, and many great things about it...But, the Powers who make the real decisions in this Country, are also making War, on these very people, and things in our Country, that made us the good guys for so long...That just blows my mind, that they have so little regard for We The People, or I should say, We The People who aren't Rich...That they are systemically, stealing everything, they can from us...The Corporations, and the Rich are making Billions, if not Trillions off the plundering of the Middle Class... Or to quote that prophetic line from that Traffic song "The Man In The Suit Has Bought A New Car, From The Profit's He's Made On your dreams"

"They" are certainly bleeding the poor and middle class to death, and they are so insulated, that no one even really knows who they are, and they have the 540 Stooges, in the Congress & Senate, to take the blame for them...Until that changes, I don't see how any of us get out from under their feet on our throats...I just keep hoping for a miracle...And the Military are using the Troop's who basically come from the Poor and Middle Class population, to go fight and die, so they can make even more money for the Corporations, and then as a token of the Corporations, The Military gets roughly a Trillion Dollars a year, from the budget, to play with...You almost have to give them credit, for a brilliant plan...Except, their little game, is destroying us, and the rest of the World...If that don't make you want to smoke a joint, what will? And the F**kers even mess with you for that...

 

Michael Carney (207)
Friday July 23, 2010, 1:10 am
Gregory, sorry for the misspell...
 

Angelika R. (146)
Friday July 23, 2010, 1:48 am
Well, first a big thankyou to Greg for posting this very interesting and enlighting series of articles. Reading it all AND these numerous comments here leaves me in a state of shock and is scary as hell. I'll tell you what I felt when reading facts and this public outcry here: It STRONGLY reminds me of and resembles the former huge STASI apparatus of the former GDR. Hard to believe it's about the USof A, land of the free, the country we Germans are used to idolize. Sorry, I can't find anything left now to idolize.. You people are crying out loud in desparation but willpower to fight for and defend your rights, just the same way those GDR civil rights groups had once come together in a united effort- AND WON in the end! KEEP IT UP- it's worth it! But it's a crying shame things had to come this far, my God..
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Friday July 23, 2010, 4:52 am
Ian, Michael, and Angelika, thank you, I found myself touched by your comments, and also encouraged. Angelika reminds that tyranny is inevitably overcome, Michael reminds that behind the obsession with terrorism and risk of tyranny in the USA is the greed of a very few for increased wealth and power, and Ian points to the challenge of pulling ourselves out of the dumbing down of politics and our citizenry, just as Mj does to the need for raising consciousness. Elsewhere others are doing what we are trying to do here, and while there's great grief ahead, we won't be alone with it, and a day will come this wall of insanity being erected in the USA will come down.
 

Mary L. (138)
Friday July 23, 2010, 3:52 pm
Thank you for posting it here. When you have that many agencies who are fighting for more of the pie. scaring each other into seeing terrorists behind every shrub around what else could be expected? The Washington Post is also to be commended for investing the time, the money, and personnel to this very important story.
 

Leixa M. (0)
Friday July 23, 2010, 6:36 pm
NO surprises there....God only knows what kind of profiles are created, people flagged, privacy invaded...our very words here monitored...big brother watching
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Friday July 23, 2010, 7:37 pm
Every now and again this little piece seems appropriate for a thread. I hope you'll forgive me if I'm wrong:

Evil is as Evil Does


Evil is as Evil does;
Evil doesn’t change
And what was Evil long ago
Is Evil still today

We feel it in our heart of hearts
With voice like Conscience Stilled
When what was ours is stolen,
Or when those we love are killed

Now you who live with blinders on
All bide behind Fear’s Wall,
And see no part of what we must
Whose “Us” is part of “All”

It’s never that when Evil’s done
The black or white remains;
It’s which we choose as our default
The chooser’s soul engraves

And when the ones we follow lead
Down Half-Truth’s twisted path
Then who still follows? Who is free?
Who dares, demands - who asks?

You, placing all you know and hope
With those whose “truths” can’t last
In innocence may shelter, but
Blame’s not so simply passed

Our children will see all the truth
Or theirs, or theirs again:
That you who abdicated knew,
And let the Evil in.

For Evil is as Evil does;
Still Evil has not changed
And what is Evil in our time
Will stain tomorrow’s day



Ian MacLeod
2/9/06
Oregon

 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Friday July 23, 2010, 7:46 pm
Thank you Ian, your words are both appropriate and powerful. I am struck by the fact that with the substitution of just a few words, one would find the hopeful mirror image centered in the words "Good" and Goodness". The light that pushes back the shadows and shows the way.
 

Jose Ovidio Perez Morel (44)
Friday July 23, 2010, 8:00 pm
Thanks for this information....
 

Dominic C. (8)
Friday July 23, 2010, 10:51 pm
Gregory and Magdalena, thanks for the good read. All the while I know Western Governments have such high classified facilities for defense, security and research. You have excluded two other places...Boeing and IBM, they also have facilities belonging to this highly classified research and defense. Some universities as well...not necessary your Ivy league schools but more likely big schools which have extensive state and federal research grants.
I am not paranoid and I know the information from you guys is awareness for the general public. But also I feel secure because the America is keeping the country safe in various ways not just from our enemies but also within our borders and also I would also think we might need technologies to keep us safe from organisms that are not human as well be it biological and chemical from our earthly environment or from our universe.
As long as the Government respected the rights of Americans and preserved our borders and well being with integrity...hey any technology and research is fine and to a certain extent we need them (as a precautionary measure). It may or may not wrok within our disposal but its a resource for our self preservation and continuity.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 24, 2010, 7:41 am
Just a thought !
If nobody signed up to go into the military there would be no more wars ! Even if they inforced the draft ,if everyone refused what could they really do ? The problem is the parents who have instilled in their children from birth that to join the service is patriotic and macho .These are the people who need to rethink what they are doing to this country and their own children .
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 24, 2010, 7:45 am
BTW I don't think its an accident that this all comes out on Obama's watch either, when this investigation goes back to the Bush administration .
I think Obama is a safer target for them than the Bush and Chaney families. Or maybe its because Obama really does want the truth out ?
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Saturday July 24, 2010, 8:33 am
Dominic, while it appears to me that naivete can lead to missing the point of the article, thank you for your comment. The USA may need secret surveillance and domestic security against terrorism, but the grossly excessive redundancy we have now (and are still expanding) is (1) contributing to our bankruptcy and (2) putting us at risk of totalitarian repression of future dissent by govt and misuses and abuses by for-profit corporations.
Throughout history and no matter the nation or culture or form of govt, excessive domestic security has ultimately been turned against the citizen majority by a powerful elite minority. Moreover it is well documented that very little has been done to safeguard the USA population from terrorist acts against nuclear plants, power-grid stations, refineries, water supplies, harbors, etc. The fact is that these corporate contractors exist to make a profit for their owners, and you only need to look at banking and big oil to learn how far you can trust them to protect the interests of the common man. Last, you have to consider all this in the context of using terrorism as an excuse for ongoing USA war for the sake of access to oil. It just breeds more terrorists in every Muslim nation in the region. America would be vastly more secure investing in reduction of our dependence on oil, and doing so would have the vital benefits of contributing to an earth that can sustain life worldwide and give the next generation of Americans sources of energy the common man can afford. Look around. You cannot identify an issue in America where the interests of the common man are being served well and fully. But I can rattle off a litany wherein the interests of the wealthy corporate elite are being pursued mercilessly and with rising momentum, scale and scope -- all with the help of govt and the majority of its elected politicians.
 

JackieLynn D. (15)
Saturday July 24, 2010, 9:04 am
Wow, thanks for article & all the comments, I have learned a lot today. Thank u all. Noted
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Saturday July 24, 2010, 9:13 am
Linda, the whole strategy re war and obsession with security and "privatization" of govt is a product of Bush-Cheney. I personally think it would be unfair to pin it on Obama, and as I've often said of late, I think Obama is better than anything the Repubs or Tea Party have to offer. However, as we have seen on issue after issue, Obama has appeased the wealthy corporate agenda, compromised with it, and in some cases bought into it, more so re war in Afghanistan and maintaining the obsession with terrorism and spending on defense and domestic security than any other issue. In case after case on almost every issue he has said he doesn't have the votes and has failed to get out front to fight, to lead, to generate public support and to get those votes, despite having a big majority in both houses of Congress and the power of the Presidency and entire Exec branch of govt. Yes I know what he's up against from conservative Repubs and Tea Partiers and corporate power. All the more reason to fight hard for what is right. They are slaughtering him despite his compromising and appeasement and legitimate complaint over lack of bipartisanship. When Bush-Cheney were in power they used their positions and a phalanx of spokesmen to press their message to the public every day of every week. I personally think Obama a prisoner of what he may feel is his obligation to show a minority Pres is not a socialist threat to the establishment, ie the wealthy and powerful and not-coincidentally white. He appears unable to learn the lesson that the elite on the right are not remotely interested in the well-being of the common man. In short, Obama has squandered his power, and first did so when he tread softly with the banks despite the huge cost to the common man and the outrage of the overwhelming majority over the banking-exec bonuses siphoned from the bail-out at the common man's expense. Coming back to the matter of terrorism, defense, Afghanistan and domestic security, he bought the Bush-Cheney excess hook, line and sinker, I think in part out of his eagerness to show a minority Pres can be patriotic and accomodating to the establishment (ie wealthy corporate) elite.
 

Jean A. (14)
Saturday July 24, 2010, 2:40 pm
I don't think Obama realized the strength of the 1% all right wing wealthy love wars people. But we have to remind ourselves what Franklin Rossevelt said "All we have to fear is fear itself". Stand up!! My concern is what Eisenhower said about the military, be careful that you don't allow the Congressional, Industrial Military Complex and that is exactly what we have. We be in big trouble because of it. The elite love wars because it makes them richer and gets rid of people that are considered fodder. the troops. My fear is a Republican president in these times, it will be the end of this country as we know it. Be careful who you vote for. Much propaganda by big oil/coal out there. Lies everywher in this corrupt Congress and lobbyists.
 

Joel Scott S. (17)
Saturday July 24, 2010, 2:48 pm
What worries me when the government and the big corporation become one unit, the door wiil be open to spying on innocent people, especially in the middle and poor classes. Even the corporations can use the military against us.
 

C. G. (1)
Saturday July 24, 2010, 2:58 pm
noted and thanks
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Sunday July 25, 2010, 12:21 am
I don't think it will matter whether the next president is a Republican or a Democrat. They look a bit different outwardly, they approach things a little differently, but the end result seems to be pretty much the same. The Dems HAD a majority. They never ONCE made the Republicans filibuster. And it took only ONE senator to hold up someone almost EVERYBODY else said they wanted. Just one. Does that sound right? If we have to write in a Third Party candidate, we HAVE to elect someone different this time. And we have somehow got to start getting like-minded people together to work the important stuff. Right now, the "elites," the multinational banksters or whatever you call them, are typing up all the loose ends they can find before America hit the bottom of that cliff we rolled over awhile back. We need communities that support each other, community gardens in back yards, neighborhood watches, wells and water filters, stored food, first aid supplies. And we need a plan for the next elections. This time we need to send the message that we aren't taking any more BS, we're not playing victims any more for these sociopaths perverts.

In short, we need to take care of each other, and we need to take care of business.

Ian
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 25, 2010, 6:43 am
Gregory I wasn't blaming Obama I said I don't think it wasan accident that this all comes out of the press on Obama's watch. What I meant was that Bush and Chaney + families are far to and the press feared them .Obama on the other hand would probably want to see these things come into the light of day so the press is more relaxed with him.
Bush and Chaney ruined this country ,they put the last nail in the coffin that opened the door wide open for corporate America to have full control.Look at the latest ruling signed by a bunch of Republican judges making corporations people ,so now our votes are worth nothing and only money can buy a vote. If we thought their influence was bad before well now they have total control of this country and Bush and Chaney appointed those judges for just that reason .Everything was planned for a complete corporate take over of our country .I think every Republican should hang their head in shame for being an accomplice to this take over by voting against the American people in favor of big corp .
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 25, 2010, 7:01 am
This might to some sound off topic but has anyone ever given some thought as to why the government makes you pay for a license to hunt and fish even though your not a commercial fisherman ? I don't think its just for the revenue . Who does this effect mostly ? The poor and who does government fear the most ? The poor ! All uprisings have started with the poor when they have had enough of government trampling on them. So government doesn't want to give the poor too much so they won't become strong . Over price your food ,clotheing etc. make sure every dime you make is spent so you have no resources to rise up against them .Sounds to me like its working pretty well for them !
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Sunday July 25, 2010, 10:01 am
Hi Linda, I entered a long response but it didn't appear when I submitted it. Perhaps it will later. Suffice it here to say I didn't think you were blaming Obama for creating the redundant and costly monster that is Homeland Security. We all know it was created as part of the Bush-Cheney scheme that manipulates fear of terrorism for the sake of gaining support for policies and actions that benefit the wealthy corporate elite. That said, I fault Obama for buying into so much of it, and it is growing on his watch. In fact, I believe that while he's better than the Repubs and Tea Party, he has appeased and compromised with the corporate socialism and power of the wealthy elite on the Right on so many fronts and issues that he has betrayed the Center+Left base that got him elected.
Public enemy number 1 of the American people is the growing power of the wealthy corporate elite and that enemy is destroying us from within. Does anyone doubt that almost all of the security contractor corporations discussed in the Post article are owned and headed by that 1% of Americans who own nearly half of all it wealth, or that they are owned and headed by that individuals among that 2.5% of Americans who earn $200,000 or more a year?
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Sunday July 25, 2010, 10:33 am
Correcting the typos in the last paragraph of my comment above:

"Public enemy number 1 of the American people is the growing power of the wealthy corporate elite. That enemy of the vast majority is destroying us from within. Does anyone doubt that almost all of the security contractor corporations discussed in the Post article are owned and headed by that 1% of Americans who own nearly half of all of America's wealth, or that they are owned and headed by individuals who are among that 2.5% of Americans who earn $200,000 or more a year?"

And while there may be exceptions, those elites are not driven by patriotic fever to keep YOU safe, but by a fever to gain more wealth taking advantage of your fear of terrorists at home while they or other elites make a killing waging war against them overseas, while other elites make a killing keeping us dependent on oil, while other elites keep us dependent on their health insurance cartel, while other elites keep us dependent on their banking cartel, while other elites....
 

D B. (35)
Sunday July 25, 2010, 5:06 pm
Read and noted. Can we all say 'paranoia'. Sounds like something out of a spy novel. Scary it's so true.
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Monday July 26, 2010, 1:26 pm
Keep in mind that the "health insurance cartel" ALSO doesn't have our best interests at heart. Doctors are MIS-trained in many ways. lot of the medications they use are damaging. They may handle a lot of symptoms, but they also CAUSE symptoms, and often the trade-off isn't worth it. Allopathic medicine, I'm learning, is good for emergencies, and that's almost all. If you have a broken bone or you're bleeding to death, you want an ER and a surgeon. For longer-term problems, I think diet may be most of the answer. We are being inundated with toxins in our food supply, our water, in addition to those in the air, plus microwaves of other RF. It's no damned womder we're ill!

The cops have been getting billions of dollars in military gear for decades now, too, and norm Stamper, the ex-cop who was in charge at Seattle back when, says that cops are increasingly being taught to look at "cotozens" as The Enemy, people who need to be "controlled" and "shown who's boss." They're isolating the police from those they are supposedly there "to protect and to serve." At these protests, ALWAYS now, there's one small incident that the cops themselves cook up and carry out and use as an excuse to attack the crowd, and it's always done BRUTALLY. They use devices and chemicals that are too often deadly for some people, and ALL the crowd is doing is exercizing their First Amendment rights. Police, especially in large cities, are now paramilitary, fascist enforcers.

Ian
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Monday July 26, 2010, 3:31 pm
Ian, last night a "Modern Marvels" about latest weapons caught my eye, so I watched. Sure enough, most of the weapons bally-hooed were related to crowd control (non-lethal to most, but sometimes lethal or causing permanent injury): long-distance microwave beam scatter-guns that penetrate clothing of crowds of people and instantly super-heat their skin to depth of 1/64th of an inch, plastic and metal-BB machine guns, pain-inducing noise machines, immobilizing and nausea-inducing light-pulse guns, large-area pepper-gas cannon.

Of course these can be used to control prison rioters and the like, but in several instances they showed police and other domestic law enforcement personnel being trained in their use AGAINST SMALL CROWDS OF EMPLOYED ACTORS WHOSE CRIME WAS SHOUTING AND HOLDING SIGNS PROTESTING AGAINST WAR. I think it telling as to how the obsession with terrorism evolves to run-amok spending on internal security and then conditioning law enforcement to prepare for suppression of non-violent protest. It creates a mentality whereby almost every dissenting citizen is considered a possible or probable enemy of the state who must be assumed to be one, and where the concept of "law and order" is applied to the non-elite by an elite that controls the laws.
 

Nina L. (17)
Monday July 26, 2010, 3:42 pm
This discussion is mainly between the informed people, people who know already more about the sinister background of the "development" in America. And I am impressed how many people know it!!
This discussion is amazing!!
And I think Ian MacLeod has the right recommendations what TO DO NOW !!
Another option would be to leave the country before it is too late. I would do it ... better do leave all my belonging behind than facing the tyranny!

But what about all the people WHO DON'T KNOW ??? What about the people who are in denial.
Who will do the work to inform, to educate people, to support them???????
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Monday July 26, 2010, 4:33 pm
Nina, I think it true that most of the commenters and noters of this post are far better informed and awake to what is happening in America than the vast majority of its citizens. There are millions of others out there who see the developments for what they are, but we are in the minority. Collectively we cannot be assured of awakening enough people to soon turn the tide in the direction of sanity and the common good, reversing an evolution from corporate socialism benefitting a wealthy elite to a complete tyranny which that elite and its wannabees impose by governmental force and intimidation. But we can say that if we do not all do that we can to inform, educate and obtain the action of those others oblivious to what is actually happening, we can be certain of the inevitability of that tyranny with full force.
In other words, the answer to your last question above is "People like us."
 

(0)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 10:16 pm
Noted.
Speechless, can't stop shaking my head.
 

Tsandi Crew (95)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 8:48 am
I agree with Gregory. We are among the few. And we've known for a long time.

I'm glad this article was printed for more people to read. And I'm also glad the "Leak" leaked about the 91,000 logs regarding the actions in Afghanistan.

It's all "suspicions confirmed."
 

liz j. (53)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 11:56 am
1984... and all that goes with it.... been happening forever.......
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (732)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 12:42 pm
noted,thamx
 

Shaheen N. (64)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 2:03 pm
Noted, its scary. Thanks Gregory
 

Henriette Matthijssen (143)
Tuesday August 3, 2010, 3:09 am
The writing was on the wall way back when the human race were too interested/busy working in having it all & blinded by those working evil! Humanity attempting to rule by power, control, force, greed, wars, wealth, cruelty! We can have it all by prayers, compassion, caring, respecting, protecting, sharing, kindness, helping. I know Good will overcome Evil, as God created this world! I will continue my faith that all will be as it should!
 

Julie van Niekerk (230)
Friday August 6, 2010, 6:26 am
Is there enough good people to save the little bit that is left.
 
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