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Gregory
- 1443 days ago - pol.moveon.org
Republicans are gaining support of some Democrats to cut Social Security benefits and raise the retirement age. Please sign petition, note article, and message your friends to do the same!



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Gregory Hilbert (422)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 1:17 pm
(From MoveOn.org)
"Dear Gregory,
There's growing momentum in Washington to slash Social Security. Believe it. Republicans are campaigning on benefit cuts. Conservative Democrats like Steny Hoyer are echoing their talking points.
Everyone's counting on the Deficit Commission to do the dirty work. The commission is stacked with conservatives who've embraced cutting Social Security, and both houses of congress promised to fast-track a vote on its recommendations. That means that even though no jobs bill can pass congress right now, Social Security cuts might.
To stop the cuts, we need to send a crystal-clear message to members of Congress: Americans reject benefit cuts, and we expect them to do the same. Can you sign our promise to oppose cuts to Social Security? We'll use your signature to pressure them to sign a pledge protecting Social Security while they're home in Connecticut for recess. But we need a strong response to make our point.
The petition says: "I oppose any cuts to Social Security benefits, including raising the retirement age."
The people who want to cut it are spreading lots of myths meant to make you think there is a looming crisis. Well, it's not true—there is no Social Security crisis. The program's trust fund will have a 4.3 trillion dollar surplus by 2023, and can pay all of its obligations for decades to come. Also, legally it can't contribute to the deficit—it only ever gives out benefits it can pay for.
Strengthening Social Security is easy—making the rich pay their fair share by lifting the cap on contributions by the wealthy would allow Social Security to pay all of its obligations indefinitely.
Fear-mongering over Social Security is led by Pete Peterson, a hedge fund manager spending $1 billion of his own money in a campaign to slash benefits.6 Conservatives in congress have been too happy to join him—Minority Leader John Boehner said he would cut benefits to pay for two unfunded wars, and the GOP's long term budget plan would fully privatize the program.
Social Security belongs to us, the people who pay into it every day of our working lives, and it shouldn't be cut to pay off a deficit it didn't create. If we show congress that voters won't stand for cuts to our benefits, we can make sure cuts stay off the table and instead focus on real solutions.
Thanks for all you do."
 

Anne P. (245)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 1:57 pm
Most Americans will be dead before they can collect. This is the cunning plan of the Neocons. Wake up, America! Thanks for posting, Gregory.
 

Cam V. (417)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 2:00 pm
I am very sorry for this Gregory. Both of your parties have equal responsibility in the demise of this program as do those here in Canada. Ours is a bit more secure but unlikely to survive past my generation. As well private retirement plans have raised the ages due to hits in the market. I will go see if I can sign and support this for you my friend. Keep up the good fight!
 

. (0)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 2:07 pm
SIGNED AND ACTION TAKEN, WILL POST IN SOME GROUPS
 

Nancy M. (201)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 2:14 pm
Thanks Gregory. I had read about this from Factcheck- that there really is not crisis. Very interesting.

 

Lady Flo (106)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 2:17 pm
Thank you Gregory,noted but can not sign,it seems only americans can do that,I can say keep on good work,you need changes and better system.Greetings from Sweden.
 

Teresa W. (657)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 2:27 pm
noted and signed, thank you
 

Luisa Fox (144)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 2:31 pm
Thank you Gregory, noted and signed.
 

Suzanne S. (765)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 2:39 pm
Noted, signed, shared.

Sharing of opinions and ideas and formulating a positive outcome for ALL is where the bickering politicians are supposed to be at. This current course of party against party just to spite the other, the fighting and ignorance, the failure to act FOR "we" the people has more than become old and we've had enough of it. It doesn't matter what party you feel your affiliation is with or if you're independent of a particular party. Everyone is supposed to be working together for the common good. Where has the unity gone? Greed and desperate measures are not the answer. The politicians need to pull their heads out of their you know whats.
 

. (0)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 2:42 pm
Signed.

Those of us already in middle age have paid for those benefits all our lives. We do not deserve to have them cut or withheld through all sorts of ridiculous ways.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 2:48 pm
Noted and signed.
 

Linda L. (511)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 2:55 pm
Noted and Signed, Thanks Gregory!
 

patricia lasek (317)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 3:04 pm
Thanks for getting this posted on care2, Gregory. I am a member of Moveon also and signed this in the AM. This is important for all Ametican citizens who have paid all their lives.
 

Michael Masley (5)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 3:07 pm
signed, noted and posted a Moveon.org petition to I ~ Promote on Care2
 

Alice C. (1797)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 3:09 pm
Noted and signed.
 

Jacque K. (35)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 3:17 pm
The only crisis that exists is the political circle that doesn't want to give up their free perks so the must take away from the working and elderly classes. Thank you Gregory. Noted and signed/shared
 

Bette M. (91)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 3:24 pm
Noted & signed.

Plant & protect trees for life....................
 

Jess J. (11)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 3:36 pm
Noted and signed, thanks for sharing!
 

Kathy Chadwell (371)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 3:40 pm
Noted, signed, posted it on myspace, facebook & twitters. Thank you Gregory
My comment should get their attention because they darn well know what I'm saying.

I so wanted Dennis Kucinich
We wouldn't be having to worry about this type of betrayal if Dennis was President.
Democrats party don't you dare push him out next election. I'm going door to door for that man if I have to. I want somebody who represent ME and my family. I want Dennis Kucinich
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 3:45 pm
So far I see even people I usually or often disagree with (Libertarians, Tea Partiers) and not just Dems or Independents or the rare enlighted Repub realizing how devastating, unjust and unnecessary it would be to cut benefits and/or push back the retirement age for those who need or will need Social Security to survive. And just to be clear, while Repubs are pushing this, some conservative Dems are signing on and Obama himself set the stage when he appointed a deficit commission dominated by deficit hawks who were already on record wanting to cut safety-net programs for the poor and helpless but CONTINUE tax reductions for the wealthy and annual increases in spending on Defense, Homeland Security, and subsidies to huge corporations sending jobs overseas, all of which add more to the deficit while SS has added none. There are so many things that can be done to insure SS for our own and future generations, as for example eliminating the upper income limit on which the tax is paid, which is currently $106,800. Only 5% of Americans earn more than that, and most of them earn FAR more than that and have hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions or billions in investments and property. We must stop being afraid to demand that they cease their merciless selfishness. All of those who are wealthy can well afford to pay social security tax on all of their income. Their wealth was created or increased by the labor of people paid small incomes who have a right to survive, and many of the wealthy stole from the majority legally thanks to corrupt government. I don't give a rip if people earning $106,800 to $150,000 (or whatever) will have to do without a few new clothes or dinners out or a bigger BMW or SUV so that others can have food and a roof of some kind over their heads. Decency demands they do so with gratitude for their material blessings.
 

Val R. (230)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 3:58 pm
Let Republicans live on minimum wage or disability benefits for a month!!!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 4:41 pm
Signed
 

JoAnne Perdue (50)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 4:50 pm
WELL JUST LEFT A NOTE THAT I NOTED AND SIGNED BUT IT'S GONE...HMMM?? ANYWAY THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION GREGORY...
 

Phil R. (29)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 4:52 pm
If anything SS benefits should be higher. This year there was no cost of living increase.
http://tinyurl.com/ykm9vun
When Republican politicians and pundits complain about taxation they like to point out that it's "your money" going into the government. Well they're right...so why are they so opposed to paying that money back to you when the time comes?
 

Linda G. (187)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 4:54 pm
I don't see how they can call Social Security an "entitlement" (aka welfare) program. I paid into it for 43 years and thank heavens was able to use it when I was laid off and in a small town unable to obtain any kind of job, not part time, not anything. I also caretake my elderly Mom and we would be starving in the streets without it. Slashing benefits to people who need it is just plain evil and it's being done by the wealthy. I don't know if they intentionally want to destroy the middle class but they sure are trying hard....
Signed and Noted. Thanks Gregory
 

Karen B. (289)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 5:02 pm
Thanks Gregory, noted and signed. What more can they take away from us? I, too, have worked my whole life paying into the system and don't want to worry about whether or not it's there for me.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 5:03 pm
Yes Phil, the ones who can most afford higher taxes are the ones among the gainfully employed and/or wealthy who pay the lowest share of their income and wealth in taxes, and they are expert at getting everyone else up in arms about high taxes. They are the same ones who fight tooth and nail against increases in the minimum wage. Working fulltime at minimum wage in America means poverty for those who do it, and more wealth for those who are wealthy and the wannabees who learn from them.

PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION, NOTE AND DO WHAT YOU CAN TO SPREAD THE WORD, SPEAK OUT, ETC!
 

linda b. (190)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 5:04 pm
Sorry i could'nt sign Gregory i'm not in the US. The same is hapening here in Scotland infact all of the UK and i hope there will be a public outcry. It's ok for them that sit in power with their enormous wages, i'd like to see how they'd get by on welfare or a small pension.It's a true saying "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer".
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 5:05 pm
Thanks for this, Gregory! Social Security is something I paid into all my working life, without choice, tho I would have anyway. Several times a year I have to worry that these same greedy bastards are trying to destroy it again, and without it I am homeless. Even with it I may be anyway, and there are millions more in the same boat. I'm disabled due to deregulation of safety laws and holes in what there were, and due to Drug War attacks on doctors which made the nerve damage permanent and now illegally forbid correct medical treatment that even now would allow me to work again. And it was, again, the same greedy bastards who did all of that. They just want to take ALL money available and hand it over to the corporations that sponsor them and that they may one day work for themselves when people finally get smart enough to kick them out of the government.

Ian
 

Kit H. (174)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 5:22 pm
Signed & share on FB.
 

Rhonda Maness (602)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 5:25 pm
Thanks Sir Robert!
 

Gudrun D. (398)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 5:26 pm
Action taken - thanks Gregory.
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 6:23 pm
Thanks Gregory, I was just this minute looking for a place to post this link. In this case I don't at all mind being redundant.


This Fall, Congress could vote on Social Security cuts proposed by the
conservative-leaning Fiscal Commission. Republicans - and some Democrats -
are already saying they want to cut benefits by raising the retirement
age. We need to act now, before the election, to make sure we keep cuts
off the table.
I signed a promise to oppose Social Security cuts . We need to send a
crystal clear message to Congress - can you join me?
http://pol.moveon.org/sspetition/?r_by=22411-5254208-.tkCVrx&rc=mailto
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 6:25 pm
What good is a government that focuses on how to jail & fine the youth while denying earned benefits to the surviving elderly?
If one is not a soldier, or skilled worker paying high taxes, the government is always trying to diminish your value as a human.
This government has ceased to function in it's role to serve and protect the people. Let's fire them and start over. Most of us could write a book about their stupid approach to solving problems. The only problem they recognize is protecting the wealthy corporations.
 

HELEN V. (51)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 6:25 pm
noted
 

Mary T. (188)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 6:27 pm
This is not the governments money this money was taken out of our checks every time we got paid and it belongs to all the people that has paid into it, I would love to see any one from our government to try and live on what most of the people have to live on if you are disabled or retired and just have social security to depend on, It is time to stop pampering the rich and giving all of them the tax breaks, It is time for our government to quit stealing our money that we have paid in for years it does not belong to them this is outrageous. noted, signed and pissed.
 

Bette M. (91)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 6:31 pm
Mary T..........Just love that very last word in what you wrote.

We all are........Pissed!!!!!!

Plant & protect trees for life.....................
 

Ge M. (216)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 6:53 pm
Unable to sign but have forwarded it to everyone I know in the US
 

Patricia C. (96)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 6:53 pm
Signed and commented at length; THAT was probably fruitless. And Mary T; you GO girl, I agree with everything you said.
Thank you Gregory.
 

Henriette Matthijssen (147)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 6:58 pm
Have all the supposedly leader all gone mad or just plain selfish & greedy that they are nothing but blood suckers of the working people that contributed to this & are entitled to those benefits. Greed makes one unethical in all areas & a total disgrace of ones self being! Thanks Gregory for informing & posting. I signed & forwarding to all.
 

Kathy Chadwell (371)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 7:09 pm
Jacqueline K. brings up a very good point.
I vote they pay their own insurance policies (which entitled them to life long care along with their children & spouse and exes) I vote they pay their own way to & from work like the rest of us. I vote they take a huge pay cut (they're all millionaires, check it out) I vote we no longer pay them when they leave office. None of us continue to get paid when our jobs are gone. HELL, NO WONDER THE GOVERNMENT IS BROKE:)
 

Andrea W. (39)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 7:16 pm
Noted and signed. They need to leave OUR money alone. It is not there for them to spend on wars, dirty oil contracts or tax breaks for the wealthy. It was paid for by us for our own retirements. They can go blow their own money. They have no business touching ours!
 

Naranarayan Sharma (12)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 7:17 pm
I am non US citizen. So it will be better not participate either side.
 

Kit H. (174)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 7:20 pm
How about for all with 1/2 million or more annaula income that they pay additional progressively 5% or more to reduce the national debt? And they do not receive social security benefits?
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 7:39 pm
Thank you to all signers, noters, commenters, forwarders, tweeters and Facebook relayers.

I've received several personal messages from Care2 friends bearing personal anecdotes like those of Ian, Linda, Karenbee and others in their comments above. Let me share mine: this is the first action I've ever called for on Care2 that included self-interest (if you set aside my self-interest in a sustainable earth and a compassionate world for all life). I was for most of my career among the fortunate whose income often exceeded the ceiling for social security taxes. As an educational media exec I made a lot a corporations and family-owned businesses wealthy during my careeer, never griped about taxes, never ingratiated myself to the greedy owners I worked for and the sharks I often had to work with. I paid big dues for speaking out for poorly paid employees and refusing to rip off customers and biz partners, and spent most of my savings since 2000 underwriting social causes and providing for others. Guess what? Cutting to the chase, if I can't elect lower-but-earlier retirement at age 62, I could easily be homeless by age 65 if I don't prioritize high-income employ for myself and cease all effort to make this a better world for us all. And I assure you that if such a financial situation can arise for me it can happen to the vast majority of people reading this comment if it hasn't already. Guess what else? I know too much, having worked with, around, over, under and through so many wealthy, greedy elite people and wannabees. Our whole economic, political and govermental tax system and spending is perverted and corrupted to their benefit and at the expense of the bottom 80%. Half the 80% are so uninformed, duped, mean-spirited or just plain ignorant that they hold views and cast votes just exactly the way the wealthy elite want them to, and eventually to their own detriment. It truly drives me nearly nuts that the elite1% now own almost half the entire nation's wealth, while the bottom 80% are down to a 7% share and will be at a 0% share in 5 years at the current rate of insane breaks for the rich and have-plentys given by the politicians the have-little-or-nothings vote for.

They will not relent until YOU force them to. If you are among the vast majority who will need Social Security to survive, but do nothing to demand its preservation, do not be surprised to find yourself homeless and begging for food in the future. We are not in a temporary downturn. We will be lucky to avert a depression like that of the last century. The globalization of the economy championed by the elite is enriching them and impoverishing most Americans and cannot be reversed even if it can be slowed. Taken as a whole the wealthy elite and the wannabee-wealthy-haves will let you starve and freeze, and your children too. Yes, they are as a group that ruthless. If they weren't, no bonuses would still be in the hands of the banking cartel execs, unemployment comp would have been extended in a heartbeat, there would be no pressure to renew the Bush tax cuts for the rich, and there would be no move to cut Social Security.

Please don't be as sheep led to slaughter.
 

Tim L. (86)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 8:04 pm
This whole idea is absolute insanity! When congress passed SS reform in 1987, the money was supposed used only for social security; however, congress has treated SS revenue as though it were tax dollars, and both parties are guilty. We the people are paying for two bogus wars, and we just bailed out Wall street and an incompetent banking system and a couple of automobile manufacturers. Don't tell me that social security has to be cut. Our government caused this mess. If the government can bailout the scum on Wall street, it can sure as hell bailout social security!
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 8:16 pm
Where is the Honor to our Elders?

A Nation is only as strong as the least among them, and therefore the sign of a decent society is helping those who can not, the Disabled.

Ian, this society in the way it functions has obviously let you down totally. Unfortunately, though it may be of varying circumstances too many have been let down. My heart hurts for everyone who is suffering.

Now isn't this a great week, denial of Health Care Benefits to our 9-11 First Responders, our Hero's so many in the Government stated......we'll NEVER forget YOU...... More lies by those in Government.

Now I think they have about pissed off most of us out here, watered down health care for all, wanting to deny unemployment benefits, watching our tax monies go to the Banks and Wall St. who caused much of the problems, tax breaks to the Corporations while increasing property taxes on properties in forclosure and underwater, the whistleblower goes to jail for finding the biggest tax fraud being done to the usa rather than those who did the crime, failing to protect our food, our medications, our toys to our children, spending billions to fund War....that destroys and kills but we can't fund our schools adequately, bridges fall into the rivers due to lack of repair, the list goes on and on......is there anyone we haven't pissed off yet besides the few Elites at the top?

Linda said, "I don't know if they are intentionally trying to destroy the middle class, but they sure are trying hard. Yup, and I remember another group of people that took one hit after another from England, and finally England did one thing more and it was the straw that broke the camels back. They were called Traitors by England, to us they became our Patriots.

I think it is time for more Patriotic people to step forward and start letting those know, that we are not standing up to this anymore. You see people, they keep going, they get away with one thing and no one does anything so it is easy for them to do something else. Heck, they are not even hiding it anymore. Calling those who are out of work lazy, hobo's who want unemployment, spoiled.....their buddie created the mess of no jobs and they helped them by passing laws to assist this, then those people loose jobs and they have the nerve to call them lazy and spoiled! Sure lets piss some more off.

All I can say is they in Washington have to have big ones down there, for I don't think with the rumblings going on in the undercurrents of this land I'd keep pushing my luck. But hey, the King of England kept pushing, but wasn't it determined afterwards he was mentally ill? I don't see much differance here, I think our so called Leaders in Washington are dealing with mass mental illness. With a few exceptions they should all be removed from office and given a padded cell.
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 8:22 pm
DON'T LET THEM SCREW YOU......

Myth #1: Social Security is going broke.
Reality: There is no Social Security crisis. By 2023, Social Security will have a $4.6 trillion surplus (yes, trillion with a 'T'). It can pay out all scheduled benefits for the next quarter-century with no changes whatsoever.1 After 2037, it'll still be able to pay out 75% of scheduled benefits—and again, that's without any changes. The program started preparing for the Baby Boomers' retirement decades ago.2 Anyone who insists Social Security is broke probably wants to break it themselves.

Myth #2: We have to raise the retirement age because people are living longer.
Reality: This is a red-herring to trick you into agreeing to benefit cuts. Retirees are living about the same amount of time as they were in the 1930s. The reason average life expectancy is higher is mostly because many fewer people die as children than they did 70 years ago.3 What's more, what gains there have been are distributed very unevenly—since 1972, life expectancy increased by 6.5 years for workers in the top half of the income brackets, but by less than 2 years for those in the bottom half.4 But those intent on cutting Social Security love this argument because raising the retirement age is the same as an across-the-board benefit cut.

Myth #3: Benefit cuts are the only way to fix Social Security.
Reality: Social Security doesn't need to be fixed. But if we want to strengthen it, here's a better way: Make the rich pay their fair share. If the very rich paid taxes on all of their income, Social Security would be sustainable for decades to come.5 Right now, high earners only pay Social Security taxes on the first $106,000 of their income.6 But conservatives insist benefit cuts are the only way because they want to protect the super-rich from paying their fair share.

Myth #4: The Social Security Trust Fund has been raided and is full of IOUs
Reality: Not even close to true. The Social Security Trust Fund isn't full of IOUs, it's full of U.S. Treasury Bonds. And those bonds are backed by the full faith and credit of the United States.7 The reason Social Security holds only treasury bonds is the same reason many Americans do: The federal government has never missed a single interest payment on its debts. President Bush wanted to put Social Security funds in the stock market—which would have been disastrous—but luckily, he failed. So the trillions of dollars in the Social Security Trust Fund, which are separate from the regular budget, are as safe as can be.

Myth #5: Social Security adds to the deficit
Reality: It's not just wrong—it's impossible! By law, Social Security's funds are separate from the budget, and it must pay its own way. That means that Social Security can't add one penny to the deficit.8

1."To Deficit Hawks: We the People Know Best on Social Security," New Deal 2.0, June 14, 2010
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=89703&id=22234-10454083-8rNZmox&t=4

2. "The Straight Facts on Social Security," Economic Opportunity Institute, September 2009
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=89704&id=22234-10454083-8rNZmox&t=5

3. "Social Security and the Age of Retirement," Center for Economic and Policy Research, June 2010
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=89705&id=22234-10454083-8rNZmox&t=6

4. "More on raising the retirement age," Washington Post, July 8, 2010
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=89706&id=22234-10454083-8rNZmox&t=7

5. "Social Security is sustainable," Economic and Policy Institute, May 27, 2010
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=89707&id=22234-10454083-8rNZmox&t=8

6. "Maximum wage contribution and the amount for a credit in 2010," Social Security Administration, April 23, 2010
http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/240

7. "Trust Fund FAQs," Social Security Administration, February 18, 2010
http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/ProgData/fundFAQ.html

8."To Deficit Hawks: We the People Know Best on Social Security," New Deal 2.0, June 14, 2010
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=89703&id=22234-10454083-8rNZmox&t=9
 

(0)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 8:22 pm
I remembered receiving a news contrary to this one a few weeks ago, saying that Social security is safe and that all the attempt to increase retirement age and slashing benefits are lies. Anyway, since I am not American, there is no way I can be sure of which one is true.

In this case, however, I will stand by Gregory. He is a good friend in Care2 and a wonderful fighter for human right. I have no reason to disbelief him and most of all, I am siding my friends, not accross them.

I am trying to spread the news around as much as I can among American friends.

Thank you Gregory for the heads up.
 

Pam J. (77)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 8:35 pm
Signed, forwarded and FB. Too many politicians who would love to get their hands on OUR Social Security money.
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 8:38 pm
Josephia, they want to make the majority of the people believe there is not enough for the Social Security so we will slash our own throats. That is why I put above your comment, the Myths and Reality. Those who want to take every penny they can, will not tell the truth, but spin lies.
 

Roseann D. (178)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 8:45 pm
I agree Linda...Social Security is NOT an entitlement program since we paid into it. And at our age, we've not only funded our parents generation, but our own. I'd better get every dang dime I put into it.

And it's a stupid idea to give it to Wall St.....look how they F'ed up everyone's 401Ks....plus, I don't want my money going to support the likes of Monsanto, Halliburton, Pfizer, BP, Exxon, and Big Ag, and all the rest of the corporate cronies that always cry they're too big to fail...I'd rather invest in alternative energy, and our local economy.
 

Roseann D. (178)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 8:48 pm
It's like we need their promise, written in blood, on video, under promise of guillotine if they try to cut SS.
 

Kit H. (174)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 8:49 pm
Tax those who periodically rob us with the bubbles!
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 8:49 pm
Thank you Roseann and Josephia, and a constellation of green stars to Dandelion too!

Please sign the petition, note, and take such actions as you can!
 

Roseann D. (178)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 8:52 pm
Sharon Angle said it's possible to work for less than unemployment. I think those proposing cuts (sacrificing SS, and expecting Americans to work as slave labor..) should pony up and start working for $5/an hour to show us how that's done.

The new law should be...If you propose it, you must abide by it yourself.
 

MarilynBusy WITHCHARITIES (258)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 9:00 pm
noted signed and furious!
 

Elizabeth S. (149)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 9:02 pm
Noted with anger, and gladly signed, posted on Facebook and Twitter as well, thank you for posting this as my family that lives in the U.S will be very interested to know of this. This is very bad as the rich get richer while stealing from the people who work their asses off to make the U.S what it is, so that the rich can live better. Makes me want to throw up.
 

gail dair (0)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 9:03 pm
Noted thanks
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 9:07 pm
Thanks, Gregory.
 

Nina Serman (108)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 9:17 pm
Thanks Gregory! Noted it, signed already. I support MoveOn.org and so far found all the causes justified, actually, highly needed. Their site offers tons of information and opportunities to add your voice, volunteer, etc.....participating makes me less angry and more focused :-)
 

Kit H. (174)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 9:19 pm
I am not pleased: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/07/17/Liberals-vow-to-fight-Social-Security-cut/UPI-92301279343828/

The White House fiscal commission, created to deal with the country's $13 trillion debt, plans to make fiscal policy recommendations in December. House and Senate leaders say they'll call floor votes on recommendations backed by 14 of the commission's 18 members.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., and House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, have recently suggested increasing the retirement age could help preserve Social Security. Both have also broached tying Social Security benefits to income levels and inflation.

Altman said those moves would lead to lower Social Security payments for seniors and urged new taxes to offset any shortfalls in the program.
 

Kit H. (174)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 9:26 pm
Cut Social Security To Pay For Tax Cuts For Rich?

We have a deficit because we cut taxes for the rich, increased military spending, started two decade-long wars and handed tons of money to Wall Street. The Washington elite crowd says therefore, to fix a deficit caused by cutting taxes for the rich and sending military spending up into the stratosphere we have to ... cut Social Security?

I see. And while we're at it I have a bridge I want to sell you, too.

Social Security and the deficit are like apples and oranges. They are different things. Social Security has nothing to do with the budget deficit. As Speaker Nancy Pelosi said at Netroots Nation last week,

"To change Social Security in order to balance the budget, they aren't the same thing in my view," the Democrat said today at the Netroots Nation conference in Las Vegas. "When you talk about reducing the deficit and Social Security, you're talking about apples and oranges."
As Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said at Netroots Nation,

During a question and answer session, Reid ... argued against "fear tactics of those who say Social Security is going broke. It's not." ... "Social Security is the most successful social program in the history of the world," he said.
Don't fall for it. The way to fix a budget deficit caused by cutting taxes for the rich and increasing military spending way beyond what is needed is to ... well see if you can figure it out. Hint: get the money from where the money went.
http://www.ourfuture.org/node/48252
 

Magdalena M. (0)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 9:51 pm
Thank you Gregory. Noted and signed. Shared on Care2 and Facebook. This doesn't look good at all. From the outside it looks as if somebody was playing with people really cruel game full of lies and fake promises. We gave you a bit of health care so now we cut your benefits, so you are still poor. The whole world fights against rodeo and my wife will attend one. What a BS.
 

Kit H. (174)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 9:54 pm
Who wants to sell out on us?

… that if something is done, it will be by stealth."

"The American people wound up rejecting (Bush's plan) but it was democracy at work. He was putting his proposal out there and the Democrats were solidly against it, as was most of the country," Altman told the Washington publication. "The problem here is … that if something is done, it will be by stealth."

The White House fiscal commission, created to deal with the country's $13 trillion debt, plans to make fiscal policy recommendations in December. House and Senate leaders say they'll call floor votes on recommendations backed by 14 of the commission's 18 members.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/07/17/Liberals-vow-to-fight-Social-Security-cut/UPI-92301279343828/
 

Laurie IS AWAY S. (128)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 10:11 pm
Noted & signed Gregory. Thanks for bringing this to our attention and thanks for being a mover and a shaker to inspire others to do the same!!!. Many great comments as well! :)

You cannot currently send a star to Gregory because you have done so within the last week.
 

Michael Carney (207)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 10:33 pm
Noted, and signed...I just don't think this is one issue they are going to be able to get way with...If they did really try, then I think you would really see people with torch's and pitchforks, heading to find their leaders...I know,they'll make an effort, but I just don't think that even the low life, slugs,(No disrespect to actual slugs) who are in the House and the Senate, think they'd get away with this...The day they f*** with Social Security, I think is the day, the Revolution will start in our Country...
 

Steven Gray (55)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 10:34 pm
Signed. They are stealing plain and simple. Social Security is paid into it's own account. It is clear that nothing is sacred any longer. Ethics are completely gone as well. There really needs to be a financial meltdown so that they are in the same boat as the rest of us.
 

Agnes H. (144)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 10:58 pm
Noted and signed Gregory. Here in Australia they have been talking about raising the pensionable age since last year. They want people to work until they are 70. One of the parties is also talking about giving those people who will employ people of the age of 50 and over $6,800 every 6 months, and if that's not bribery then I don't know what is?
 

Bernell T. (235)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 11:05 pm
Noted, signed, and forwarded on to others. Bernell
 

Kit B. (277)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 11:19 pm
Thanks Gregory signed and posted on Facebook - it's really late will comment tomorrow.
 

Charmaine C. (176)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 11:24 pm
Isn't it ironic that the world now has more 'uber rich' people than ever before and they are getting together and signing pledges to give tens of BILLIONS of dollars away to charities because they have realised that 6 billion people have far, far less than they do. On the other hand you have the governments, yours, ours here in the UK and others, taking away the very survival from pensioners and the impoverished, to pay for national debts and wars! The problem is that the majority of people, if I read the blogs right and listen to my neighbours, are in favour of such cuts because they are of a mind that people who need the social services are spongers and deadbeats and need to go out and get jobs! It seems to me there is nothing more sanctimonious than the middle classes who are well off with plenty to spare, lack for nothing and hold very self-satisfied views of themselves and their achievements! For some good fortune has been a constant companion but for others it is a struggle from birth to death. Opportunity is a shrinking market for most of us. People like Bill Gates, Warren Buffet et al control the world and it's resources. Where does that leave the rest of us?
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 11:28 pm
Thanks Gregory. Signed and sent. I think I've signed this one before.
 

Frank Pickens (126)
Sunday August 8, 2010, 11:50 pm
It is truly ironic, yet twisted that the people we vote into power want to take our money from us so we can retire. They want us to keep working more years hoping we die first and don't get full benefits if any for those family members left behind. You think government is good? Those days are gone, the government wants to fleece us, take away our social security that we have paid for, and tell us we must work longer. What a bunch of Ass-Holes, I would not vote for any incumbant Politician, get this pinheads out of washington and put them to work in the private sector.
 

Carolyn Bridges (30)
Monday August 9, 2010, 1:11 am
noted and signed thanks.
 

chris b. (2474)
Monday August 9, 2010, 1:21 am
This nonsense is mirrored in the UK even before the right wing socialists were ousted by the pro hunting and super selfish party which used to be ultra right wing but now does not know whether it is punched bored or countersunk and is only in office through a tenuous coalition with the Liberal democrats who have never been terribly sure of themselves having not formed a government on their own since before WW2! One of the stumbling blocks of the Lib Dems holding office on their own account is their propensity to tell the truth in for example say tax would have to rise to pay for all the grand schemes that the other parties are inclined to introduce and send you the bill for later! Honesty of course is an anathema to the average politician and social security is a complete misnomer as any who have tried to exist on it will tell you! There are the high profile abusers who the media love to publicise like millionaire getting concil tax rebate by some fiddel or other and people like the man with three "wives" a couple of dozen children and a palatial council house built from three ordinary council houses knocked together who lives the life of Rielly with no job 26 family allowances for the children free school meals, free dental treatment, free optical fitments. no council tax to pay rent free etc etc and as he surveys the new 4x4s etc parked outside he glibly claims they are all needed to provide transport for his "family" Because this kind of abuse is uncommon it is of course newsworthy and the right wing loves to quote it as the norm for scrounging "dole bludgers" as my Aussie friends would say! The facts however inconvenient for the right or the media tell a different story many people live in abject poverty and can range from single mums or dads struggling to bring up their children in substandard accommodation with no prospect of work to one time comfortably well off families whose circumstances changed due to lay offs and loss of income. Whether one is a single skilled qualified worker, professional person or idiot the system treats all as idiots at best criminals at worst. Endless harassment which I have witnessed turns a well adjusted normal person into a gibbering idiot, criminal or results in them virtually losing their mind! There have been instances of suicide such is the relentless pressure claimants are put under to find a job from the non existent situations vacant! Those in the right wing that drive this lunacy are of course only intent on preserving their slice of the pie at the expense of all others and if it was not the unemployed or the unhealthy it would doubtless be blacks Mexicans, Poles, Romanians, Gays, Muslims etc. Scapegoating is of course the mark of all totalitarian functionaries Hitler and Nazism being perhaps the most well known example! The fact that with unemployment being around 10% in the US must mean 90% are in employment therefore the glass is a bit more than half full, thus any claim that the system cannot take up the slack of banker/politician greed induced unemployment is spurious and specious, serving only the propaganda mill of right wing vacuous rhetoric! To paraphrase the old saying "It's rich the that get the gain and the poor that get the blame"! Sadly many of those that exist on social security have paid i more as a percentage in there lifetime than any right wing politiciain will have done with their tax havens and avoidance scams ,teams of lawyers and accountant working the system for them! Even sadder these politicians are the rejects of Planet OG and perhaps they should return there rather than imposing their misery on the rest of us! They certainly seem to have no idea of hardship or the impossibility of being socially secure on benefits! I cannot see them giving up their free junkets and bribes if they had to leave politics for example! Why should someone who has been a diligent worker have their lifestyle taken awy because of the catastrophic gambling of the bankers who have not been sanctioned but rewarded for their irresponsible behaviour! We live in a mad world!
 

Chris E. (50)
Monday August 9, 2010, 1:30 am
Thank you Gregory. Signed and noted.
 

Kit H. (174)
Monday August 9, 2010, 1:50 am
It is all about stealing! This Obama, I am very disappointed in him, an US Tony Blair version? What has the change brought by him? More or less the same! Sell out on progressives! Sell out on average americans! When my husband was laid off for 3-4 months, he did not even filed for social security benefits. Now he intends to gang up with the Republicans to steal on us? He is not a fighter. He does not fight for us!

 

Shirley S. (172)
Monday August 9, 2010, 1:57 am
Signed & noted.
 

Treasure Tree C. (354)
Monday August 9, 2010, 2:14 am
Signed,noted and outraged.
 

AWAYnotHERE M. (445)
Monday August 9, 2010, 2:22 am
This is signed and noted with HOPE, but goodness the USA Social Security has been raided to much that even with me being older, probably won't be anything left with all of the hand-outs that are going on!
 

Antonio Amador (60)
Monday August 9, 2010, 2:23 am
Noted. Thank you
 

Alet Coetzee (56)
Monday August 9, 2010, 2:27 am
Noted/
 

A. Searle (136)
Monday August 9, 2010, 2:40 am
Thanks Gregory.

Does the US have hate campaigns against welfare claimants in the media the same way we do here in the UK? Constant distortion of facts, libellous slurs etc. Did you know... we have a "snitch line" over here for members of the public to report people they suspect of being "benefit cheats". Fair enough, you'd think, but for 2 things: 1. The line isn't freephone, so you have to pay the Government for the priviledge of grassing people up, and 2. Only 1 out of every 600 calls made to it turns out to have any basis in fact. That's right. 1 in 600. That's not made public - I only know because of a request made under the Freedom of Information Act. So what are the rest? Malice mainly. Hate crime against disabled people is rising again. It's inhumane.

People keep forgetting that, as has been noted by others, if the Government takes your money away for years with the excuse that it'll be used to support you if things go wrong, if when things go wrong they then refuse to give it back to you, surely that's straightforward theft? Why isn't that the scandal making national news?

I'll support any defence of social security in America, partly because it's just, but also because our politicians are obsessed with doing everything exactly the same as the US, so we ignore events across the pond at our peril.
 

A. Searle (136)
Monday August 9, 2010, 2:46 am
Also, for anyone on Facebook, especially in the UK, you might like to consider joining the Black Triangle Campaign Against Defamation of Disabled Welfare Claimants, as described/linked in my share here:

http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/1876978

Or direct link here:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Black-Triangle-Anti-Defamation-Campaign-In-Defence-of-Disabled-Claimants/117145668332176

Look, it's been called a few different things, ok? You get the gist, anyway :D
 

Ruth S. (152)
Monday August 9, 2010, 3:12 am
Done!!!
 

Arild Warud (159)
Monday August 9, 2010, 3:26 am
Signed,TY Gregory.
 

Mary Riley (939)
Monday August 9, 2010, 4:28 am
Social Security is the only program we have that actually pays for itself. Close the Pentagon and our fiscal problems will be over.
 

Barbara K. (87)
Monday August 9, 2010, 4:35 am
Thanks for your post DANDELION. I have the same article that you posted and don't believe a word out of the mouths of the Rethugs. They don't stand a chance to get any of this crap thru if they don't get voted back into power. They are the ones who screwed up the whole economy in the first place and left a debt of 12TRILLION dollars for Obama to deal with. Why in he*l would they have the gaul to think we are so stupid we'd give them back the keys to the kingdom? They've voted NO on every piece of legislature that would help us. The Dems have had to go it alone for the most part to get some programs thru to get the economy moving again and to try to save some people's homes, and to reform Wall St so they cannot do this to us again, and lots more. The Rs just want to make the rich richer and the middle class poorer. Just check their voting records or watch the Senate, as I do.
 

Anna Borsey (66)
Monday August 9, 2010, 4:35 am
Noted & read. Cannot sign as I am not domiciled in the U.S.

I agree with everything that my fellow U.K. residents Chris B. and Alice VS have written above. It is ALL true, every thing that they write about the system here in this country.

There is now a worldwide movement to ultimately "dispose of" anyone who is not wealthy, well connected, ruthless and successful. It is only too clear what they are doing. We are also told that we MUST work on until we are in our late 60s - preferably to 70 yrs of age! - as there is NO MORE MONEY for all the "endless" benefits that the state is paying out. I wonder why. Britain is teetering on the brink of bankruptcy and total economic collapse (we are told) but somehow there is always plenty of money for things like defense, large cash bonuses to certain people, salary increases for MPs, aid for banks about to fold, and so on.

Of course, there are very few jobs to be had in Britain. The official version is that "there are plenty of jobs but people are too lazy and/or want too much money". Yes. Who can afford to work for £5 - £ 6 per hour, when a typical rent is £200 - £250 per month? Not to mention the ever rising cost of food, water, gas & electricity. We are all, especially the poor, the almost poor and the not very well off, doubly taxed: first we pay tax on our small incomes and pitiful benefits, and then we pay a high rate of VAT (value added tax) on ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING, including water, energy, food and other necessities - also on work carried out by tradesmen (e.g., when we need repairs, renovation and maintenance done on our homes).

We are ALL being ROBBED BLIND by the politicians, the bankers and stockbrokers, the wealthy and the large corporations! ! !

As for Obama: I knew he would turn out to be a great disappointment, as did Bill Clinton in his way. I told everyone after Obama was elected President and millions of people were elated and charmed:
Wait and see; I doubt he is as wonderful as he is painted!
 

Barbara K. (87)
Monday August 9, 2010, 4:39 am
Thanks, Gregory, we must not let the thugs disguised as Republicants make any gains at all in our Congress, in fact they need big losses if we ever hope to get this country back on track. Our VOTES DO MATTER.
 

Edwin M. (366)
Monday August 9, 2010, 4:55 am
Noted, signed and will remember at election time
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 9, 2010, 5:14 am
Noted and signed, thank you Gregory.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 9, 2010, 5:21 am
Signed Gregory, it never ceases to amaze me as to how low republicans can sink for the sake of money at the expense of the people :-( Noted as well.
 

Michela m. (3810)
Monday August 9, 2010, 5:24 am
I AM NOT ALLOWED TO SIGN because: from outside the USA
 

frank g. (29)
Monday August 9, 2010, 5:34 am
Sorry cant sign from uk
 

Paul Harrison (25)
Monday August 9, 2010, 6:07 am
Signes & Noted and Took action,AND AM REALL ANGRY! Socail security is NOT Intitlemant! I have been working since the age of 15,and have been paying into socail security!As I understand it,Politicians don't pay into the program,nor do they draw from it! That leaves me to believe That they are sooooooo Far out of touch with average Hard working,compassionate people! This clearly proves THEY HAVE NO CLUE!!
the saddest part of all this,Is they were VOTED IN! Thanks Greg!
 

Heidi L. (88)
Monday August 9, 2010, 6:16 am
Action taken
 

. (0)
Monday August 9, 2010, 7:08 am
Signed and noted, thanks Gregory. Once again, rather than stop spending an excessive amount for wars and defense, the politicians try to make cutbacks to essential programs that actually benefit the people. Changing the rules now, after we have been paying into the system for years, is like breaking a contract. Certainly, there would have been negative consequences if WE had not kept our part of the deal and paid those taxes on our wages. I think that we must be paying the elected officials that we "hire" way too much and providing them with too many benefits, because they simply don't have a clue how to "represent" the rest of us.
 

Mack David (100)
Monday August 9, 2010, 7:24 am
signed and noted.
 

Peggy A. (111)
Monday August 9, 2010, 8:02 am
Noted and have already signed.Will forward
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Monday August 9, 2010, 8:18 am
Special thanks to Chris B, Alice, Anna, and Agnes for advising the parallels in the UK and Australia to this situation in the USA. Mention has been made of the rise in efforts to shame, ridicule, blame and harass the impoverished, unemployed, and disabled. There was a time in the USA that "welfare cheating" was frequently ranted by the right wing. It subsided for decades but is on the rise again. It starts with a few politicians and Glenn Beck media hucksters making a pandering comment and before you know it you have millions of mean-spirited and ignorant dupes saying unemployment compensation should be discontinued, social security should be cut, and babies born to non-whites, illegal immigrants, the poor, Jews, Muslims, liberals, tree-huggers and animal lovers should be made into sausages and sold in China.

It is important that those who need the safety-net programs hold their heads high and not be silenced by the manipulative pandering of rightwingers and the mean-spirited taunts they generate. Because if you do not join in fighting back with righteous anger in defense of your right to basic necessities, they will go from threatening you to denying you those necessities to persecuting you for being a homeless eyesore.

Please do not be as sheep led to slaughter. This threat to Social Security may be the last warning siren we will hear before the beast is unleashed in our midst. Please sign the petition, note the article, spread the word, do all you can.
 

Mandi T. (421)
Monday August 9, 2010, 8:19 am
Another needed post. Thank you Gregory. Such an important issue. xx
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 9, 2010, 8:29 am
Gregory=This was sent to me a few days ago in my e-mail.

Social Security info we all need to know!
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Top 5 Social Security Myths:



Myth #1: Social Security is going broke.



Reality: There is no Social Security crisis. By 2023, Social Security will have a $4.6 trillion surplus (yes, trillion with a 'T'). It can pay out all scheduled benefits for the next quarter-century with no changes whatsoever.1 After 2037, it'll still be able to pay out 75% of scheduled benefits—and again, that's without any changes. The program started preparing for the Baby Boomers' retirement decades ago.2 Anyone who insists Social Security is broke probably wants to break it themselves.



Myth #2: We have to raise the retirement age because people are living longer.



Reality: This is a red-herring to trick you into agreeing to benefit cuts. Retirees are living about the same amount of time as they were in the 1930s. The reason average life expectancy is higher is mostly because many fewer people die as children than they did 70 years ago.3 What's more, what gains there have been are distributed very unevenly—since 1972, life expectancy increased by 6.5 years for workers in the top half of the income brackets, but by less than 2 years for those in the bottom half.4 But those intent on cutting Social Security love this argument because raising the retirement age is the same as an across-the-board benefit cut.



Myth #3: Benefit cuts are the only way to fix Social Security.



Reality: Social Security doesn't need to be fixed. But if we want to strengthen it, here's a better way: Make the rich pay their fair share. If the very rich paid taxes on all of their income, Social Security would be sustainable for decades to come.5 Right now, high earners only pay Social Security taxes on the first $106,000 of their income.6 But conservatives insist benefit cuts are the only way because they want to protect the super-rich from paying their fair share.



Myth #4: The Social Security Trust Fund has been raided and is full of IOUs



Reality: Not even close to true. The Social Security Trust Fund isn't full of IOUs, it's full of U.S. Treasury Bonds. And those bonds are backed by the full faith and credit of the United States.7 The reason Social Security holds only treasury bonds is the same reason many Americans do: The federal government has never missed a single interest payment on its debts. President Bush wanted to put Social Security funds in the stock market—which would have been disastrous—but luckily, he failed. So the trillions of dollars in the Social Security Trust Fund, which are separate from the regular budget, are as safe as can be.



Myth #5: Social Security adds to the deficit



Reality: It's not just wrong—it's impossible! By law, Social Security's funds are separate from the budget, and it must pay its own way. That means that Social Security can't add one penny to the deficit.8



Defeating these myths is the first step to stopping Social Security cuts. Can you share this list now?



Thanks for all you do.



–Nita, Duncan, Daniel, Kat, and the rest of the team



Sources:



1."To Deficit Hawks: We the People Know Best on Social Security," New Deal 2.0, June 14, 2010
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=89703&id=22234-10454083-8rNZmox&t=4



2. "The Straight Facts on Social Security," Economic Opportunity Institute, September 2009
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=89704&id=22234-10454083-8rNZmox&t=5



3. "Social Security and the Age of Retirement," Center for Economic and Policy Research, June 2010
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=89705&id=22234-10454083-8rNZmox&t=6



4. "More on raising the retirement age," Washington Post, July 8, 2010
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=89706&id=22234-10454083-8rNZmox&t=7



5. "Social Security is sustainable," Economic and Policy Institute, May 27, 2010
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=89707&id=22234-10454083-8rNZmox&t=8



6. "Maximum wage contribution and the amount for a credit in 2010," Social Security Administration, April 23, 2010
http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/240



7. "Trust Fund FAQs," Social Security Administration, February 18, 2010
http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/ProgData/fundFAQ.html



8."To Deficit Hawks: We the People Know Best on Social Security," New Deal 2.0, June 14, 2010
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=89703&id=22234-10454083-8rNZmox&t=9





 

Jeannette A. (146)
Monday August 9, 2010, 8:52 am
This is the kind of greedy, reprehensible behavior we have come to expect from our government officials. It is the very thing designed to create fear and panic among the American people, in part to move us in the direction of the Tea Party. Watch one of their rallies.... the main component, masked by anger, is fear. And fearful people are much easier to control, sort of like the angry mob mentality. The amazing thing is that the political individuals who are intent upon whipping up a situation where the working man can lose everything are the people who themselves have nothing to lose and everything to gain by raping our Social Security system. As thinking men and women who wish to make our own rational decisions, we much fight these inroads with all our might. Perhaps the idea is that by taking away Social Security benefits, they take away our power and stop the kind of progress we work for in this country.... a place with clean energy, healthy and educated children, protected wildlife and an economy not build on greed, not just meant for the wealthy few.
 

Kathleen C. (18)
Monday August 9, 2010, 8:53 am
signed and posted to my facebook page. Whether or not Social Security is in trouble or not. We did not get a cost of living raise in 2010! That should tell folks something. I know that I count on that money. I live on that money. I do not have CDs, retirement funds investments etc. I would not put anything past our government re: social security money.








cds
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Monday August 9, 2010, 9:24 am
Kathleen - and the excuse they gave was that "The cost of living did not rise in the past year"! I wonder where they're living? It sure as hell can't be the US!

Ian
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 9, 2010, 10:05 am
Noted and signed, TY Gregory,and Dandelion.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 9, 2010, 10:28 am
Obama did us NO favors when he doubled the amount of SS that we were to receive in 2009 and then gave us NO increase in 2010 because as they said..."The cost of living did not rise in the past year" and that, in and of itself is totally balogna. The cost living increases every year. EVERY YEAR! All that Obama did was to give us an advancement on the 2010 year of S.S. benefits ahead of time...and then for the year 2010 leave that money in the bank to draw interest upon. Anyone who didn't see or feel the increase in living are either blind or dead. MY OPINION ONLY!
And Gregory...sorry that I duplicated that information on the, "MYTHS of Social Security" as I just read your story and posted before I had a chance to read what others comments were. If you can delete that on your end....feel free to do so! Dusty
 

catherine s. (3)
Monday August 9, 2010, 10:42 am
Scary stuff lets take our power back
 

Alicia v. (181)
Monday August 9, 2010, 10:54 am
Instead of them telling us what to do, the thing ought to be us telling them what to do and fire whoever doesn't follow. Take people's money and make them feel like delinquents or like we owe then something. When we lend them money all the time for good deeds they use it for evil and show you the finger. They don't deserve to be where they are, there sould be aparallel way of taking care of people working differently and leaving them alone, broke.
 

Yvonne White (231)
Monday August 9, 2010, 10:58 am
Anyone (of Either Party) should know by now that Social Security is the ONE thing Americans Will FIGHT for! Politicians screwing with Social Security will be cutting Their Own Throats!!!
 

Liliana D. (124)
Monday August 9, 2010, 11:01 am
Noted and signed ...... with some immagination. I will fw to my US friends.
 

MeowFoul B. (191)
Monday August 9, 2010, 11:02 am
I am entitiled to benefits, and I don't get any. Although i don't live in the US the government are just as bad here, I think people get evil with so called "poswer". I hope situations improve for us all!
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Monday August 9, 2010, 12:06 pm
Good people, I must admit I'm having one of those days where the pessimist sitting on my right shoulder -- who is usually shouted down by the ferocious optimist standing on my left shoulder -- is telling me I should give up on efforts to mobilize people to DO something, and focus more on looking after myself and my loved ones as best I can, on the grounds there are too few on Care2 willing to ACT on the imperatives to their own well being and that of others.
The few who ARE willing to act are so embattled or dispirited by the avalanche of assaults coming at them from the mountains of greed, indifference and ignorance, that many seem to be giving up or taking needed time-outs and fewer and fewer are stepping up to "cover" for those worn out or build on their efforts.

This is especially the case in the realm of politics and govt, less so in the realms of environment and animal life. But as I see it, neglect of the realm of politics and govt will doom efforts for the environment and animal life, the human animal included.

So, this is the 20th of the 27 articles I've posted on Care2 to get a Golden Note for gaining enough noters and comments to be listed on the front page of Care2. But you know what? 145 notes and 108 comments is to me very little considering how many Care2 members would suffer if Social Security is cut, and how "valuable" the threat to it is as a rallying point for action against greed and govt corruption by the wealthy corporate elite. 145 noters and 108 comments. I have that many FRIENDS on Care2 who would suffer if Social Security is cut! Where the hell is everybody else? Where are all the forwards like the tons I get when a dog needs adoption in Texas or a scumbag needs incarceration in CT? And to my knowledge this is the only article on Care2 right now alerting people to a Repub-led movement in Congress to cut Social Security, and giving Care2 readers something they can do immediately to hopefully help nip it in the bud.

Such thoughts cause me to think about a comment Kit made recently on a different article about state and local govts cutting services (while the people deciding the cuts keep their high-salary jobs). Among other things Kit was appealing to people to do MORE than sign petitions. I ask myself why people being devastated by the corruption of federal, state and local govt by the wealthy elite and selfish "haves" do not take to the streets and vandalize the Mercedes and BMWs parked on Wall Street, in Washington, and in the parking lots of state capitols, town halls, and Boards of Education across the nation.

The above gets me to thinking about those of us who like to think we are activists or small-scale leaders. And I begin to wonder if I should cease efforts on Care2 and instead stand somewhere I can hold up a sign that says "Stop the Greed of the Wealthy!" and start throwing rocks at every Mercedes and BMW I see until I'm arrested. Maybe it would make the local news and a few people would start fighting more visibly and effectively to stop the greed of the wealthy and wannabee-wealthy "haves".

At this moment I'm thinking that if this article doesn't have over 250 noters and 150 comments by Wednesday (indicating at least 100 took SOME kind of action), I'm going to make a sign and gather a small pile of rocks. In that event, if you live in CT and drive a Mercedes or BMW, please steer clear of govt and banking parking lots.



 

Kit H. (174)
Monday August 9, 2010, 12:14 pm
Greg,
I put in one as well, could not not put one in before going to bed:
If President Obama Thinks There's Room for Austerity With Social Security, He'd Better Get Ready For A War.

http://www.care2.com/news/member/181228268/1929092
 

Penelope P. (222)
Monday August 9, 2010, 12:17 pm
In Australia in the last half dozen or so years they have raised the age for getting social security from 55 to 67
The idea has already been implemented. This was done on the grounds that we lived longer and were in better health now than ever before- must check out the truth of this.

What no-one seems to mention is that social security of all types is exactly what it says it is -social security for us all. The more broke,desperate, diseased and insane people you create in a society the less safe it is for every one.

Poverty breeds desease and insanity and desperation and crime and more desease and more insanity and spreads such through the community.

The results strike the rich as well as the poor so in what they are doing they are hurting themselves.
all the tasers and guns and outsourced prisons etc will not prevent this being so.

Insidentaly most social security was introduced in most countries as a first line safety measure for everyone but particularly the rich. It is a pity that our current legislators have not the intelligence of their forbears.
 

Suzanne S. (765)
Monday August 9, 2010, 12:19 pm
Sounds like great fun! I'll join the rock tossing crusade Gregory! I'm in an area where there are LOTS of stones and rocks, even offered by the TON on Craig's list for FREE ~ I'll fill the bed of my pickup truck and get 2 tons per load of practice pitching those rocks and stones.
 

Kit H. (174)
Monday August 9, 2010, 12:28 pm
People now are very sheepish comparing to the Vietnam war era. Or are they just apathetic? They are too much divided for the wrong reasons and loss the sight of what really has been happening. The for-profit media so not do us favor neither by not informing the public of real issues. Our 401k and retired plan being raided periodically of bubble blowers is not enough, now is the robbery of our social security benefit!
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 9, 2010, 12:29 pm
Inpeach the President! It's time that people stop flapping their jaws about how dissatisfied they are with the President, The System, the Government, Wall Street, etc. and start taking some action....domr REAL ACTION!
With all the Natural Disasters that happen and the man-made disasters that have happened (Oil Spill) our citizens are getting sicker and sicker everyday and diagnosed with new health issues every day as a result of the Government still allowing Off Shore Oil Drilling, digging for coal, etc., and the very Government that is allowing these disasters to happen want to do nothing to help the citizens that become sick as a result of their Governments dicisions and stupidity. Raising the age as to when a person can receive S.S. is utterly rediculous and lowering the S.S. is even more so stupidity as one cannot even live today of the checks that are sent out...and they paid into S.S. all their working lives. It's time that the Government stops stealing our hard-earned money!
 

Kit H. (174)
Monday August 9, 2010, 12:38 pm
The rich is building their lifeboat place for doomsday and they will try to extract every bit of money for themsleves:

"He then named about a dozen families on the Forbes list of billionaires who have already prepared for doomsday on a spectacular scale, including multiple geographic options. These were the early adopters, I was assured, and now a second and much larger wave will be in need of professional advice and on-the-ground know how.

Of course I would need to have a well-recognized partner in the armed security business, such as Blackwater. There would be guarded walls, prime farmland, renewable energy systems, stockpiles of essentials, fallout caverns, as well as necessary amenities like tennis courts and pools. Presumably, beyond the walls would be squalor, misery and violence. "

Whole article: http://campfire.theoildrum.com/node/6823#more
 

Valerie W. (52)
Monday August 9, 2010, 12:53 pm
Read, noted & signed petition, thanks Gregory. I think America is about the only "developed country", that does NOT really care about, or for, their elderly population. Too many people do NOT enjoy both a nice retirement check & a social sec. check, usually, it's only the soc. sec. check. And, unless they've been able to save or invest, that's their only source of income, unless they go out & get a part-time job somewhere. America is all about the rich, & the hell with everyone else, & the rich just keep getting richer, & the poor, poorer!!
 

Sanja T. (154)
Monday August 9, 2010, 1:01 pm
noted...
 

Jacqueline S Wolf Heart (74)
Monday August 9, 2010, 1:06 pm
NOTED/SIGNED AND WILL SHARE,THANK YOU Gregory
 

. (0)
Monday August 9, 2010, 1:07 pm
Noted, thank you!
 

A. Searle (136)
Monday August 9, 2010, 1:08 pm
Absolutely, Penelope. All this talk of claimants being lazy - what the powerful are forgetting is that the money concerned is life or death for a lot of people, and when those people are "incentivised" to take nonexistant jobs by having their welfare stopped, the wealthy will not be exempt from being mugged at bus stops or having their houses broken into. And that's just the ordinary poor. When it comes to the mentally ill, by removing their means they are stirring up a sh*tstorm (as an out-and-proud mental myself I know what I'm talking about!).

I'm very sorry, Gregory, that you are feeling so despondent. I think most people are so stressed they have to concentrate on the smaller things, the more black-and-white. That's not to say that we're not as stressed, obviously, maybe just that we're more aware of it. Anyway, the only idea I had, though I've little energy for it at the moment, was for some kind of Pride movement, basically a subversion of the Black Triangle (used for everyone labelled "workshy", including those simply long-term unemployed) as the Gay Pride movement did with the Pink Triangle. Something people could wear to show their support and pride in a country that supports the vulnerable. I don't see why people in employment couldn't wear it in solidarity. Something to remind people of the values of a civilised society. I suggested this to a leading disabled activist over here and she seemed interested, apparently she's doing something at a university somewhere in September and will workshop it there. I feel we need a rallying point, a simple message of not only compassion and basic human dignity but the recognition that people are worth more than the taxes they pay.

(The fb group isn't mine, it just gave me the idea)
 

Jacqueline S Wolf Heart (74)
Monday August 9, 2010, 1:16 pm
I AM forward to my friends.Unbelieveable.If,the economy Not bad enough Now the government wants to do this?Is IT ME,Or does it seem MORE/MORE Americans and Native Americans are getting REALLY done WRONG!!Here Elderly Native Americans dieing cause,they CAN'T afford medicines and Americans having to choose between feeding their families and meds.Elderly have WORKED HARD all their life!!THEY need this.It Wrong What happening in this Country.THEN you have HEALTHY WOMEN having kids getting welfare/financial aide,wic,WHILE you see the Elderly Suffer.I know Alot of elderly people suffering.It a SHAME what happening in this Country.I Myself don't understand anymore the way people are being treated ESPECIALLY OUR ELDERLY.
 

Jacqueline S Wolf Heart (74)
Monday August 9, 2010, 1:25 pm
Growing upI was TAUGHT you Respect the Elderly.And,you look out for them.Yes,it Saddens me to see them suffer.I go to Rest Homes to visit them.And,I look after the Elderly in my neighborhood,cut their grass,help them in whatever way I can.NOT for money but,KARMA,One day we shall grow old,or atleast I do hope to grow old be around.And,I like to think,I had people who cared and that after working HARD ALL MY LIFE,I could be ok when I get old.I have worked since a young kid started out in the fields really young.And,I hope when I am old I can relax and be ok.THIS is so wrong.I feel for the elderly.I will try to do all I can to help them.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Monday August 9, 2010, 1:32 pm
Thank you Alice, not despondent, just sharing my thoughts and feelings in hopes of provoking more action. I like the Black Triangle idea, now recall someone else commenting about it recently. Will look into it when I can.

KitH just posted a related article, and below I've reproduced my comment on it, which includes my reaction to Linda's comment there:
"Linda, I appreciate your comment and regret that based on all I know this article is essentially a correct analysis explaining why Obama put people on the Deficit Commission who wanted Social Security and MediCare on the table for cuts and promised to act on their recommendations.
It is consistent with his cave-in to the banking cartel re the Fed and financial reform. The wealthy elite have convinced him the USA (like many Western nations) is over-extended and they will not be able to sell more US Treasury debt if we don't do something to show we'll do whatever it takes to repay the buyers with interest.

In other words, they warned him of a risk of collapse of the whole system, just as they did to get the bail-out funds. The whole global financial system is in effect a ponzi scheme that relies on confidence, and in a manner of speaking can be thought of as a con game. The banking cartel and high-level politicians and the countries and wealthy individuals buying the Treasury debt know full well there is more debt than capital, and China especially doesn't want to be left holding an empty bag. They are new to capitalism but grounded in communism and therefor know enough to be wary of capitalists. And recently they warned publicly they are not afraid to play hardball with the USA.

Here's a point most people are missing.
All those trillions paid into the SS fund are not sitting there as cash. Congress and Presidents spent the cash (war, defense, govt employees, social programs, etc) and promised to pay it back. How? With Treasury Bills, ie govt IOUs with interest. Who owns the IOUs? Other nations and wealthy individuals who gave us cash in return for our IOU to repay them with interest. The same kind of IOUs as those they bought when our govt gave the banking cartel the bail-out trillion. We didn't have the cash so our govt sold IOUs to raise it. Banking cartel gets a cut cause they do the selling. China bought something like $600 billion of it. Who backs the IOUs? "The full faith and credit of the US Government". Who backs that?

Taxpayers.

The wealthy and "haves" could pay more taxes but they don't want to and they are shrewd at getting exactly what they want. Now the wealthy realize the "have nots" can't pay those higher taxes, they simply don't have the money.

So the fix is on. Stop spending on the "have nots". Cut Social Security.

Starting just a couple months ago White House staff started making public comments (and leaking off-the-record remarks) about the need to address the deficit and do things we would otherwise be loath to do.
But Obama didn't submit a budget reducing Defense, nor did he announce a need to withdraw from Afghanistan because we couldn't afford it, nor has he been outspoken in opposition to renewal of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy.

At about the same time the Repubs started talking about the deficit and wanting renewal of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy.

So the fix is on. Stop spending on the "have nots". Cut Social Security. And if the public balks en masse, horse-trade. Repubs get renewal of tax cuts for the wealthy, Dems get another year of SS intact. The fix is on, horsetrade is the fallback. But they are gunning for your Social Security and Medicaid sooner rather than later and only you can stop them.

Care2 readers, are you willing to fight for your right to survive?
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Monday August 9, 2010, 1:56 pm
Regret I can't acknowledge every commenter, but thank you Jacqueline for caring about the elderly already dependent on social security to survive, and Suzanne, if you get arrested with me for throwing rocks at BMWs, who's gonna bail me out? So, let's discuss panhandling for little gold rocks in AZ streambeds in case the bastidges cut social security and I need money for RPGs, bombs, machine guns, stuff like that. Can't you see us holed up in the Grand Canyon with a band of elderly and disabled and treehugging impoverished extremists of all ages after taking Sarah Palin and a bank-cartel CEO hostage and demanding round the clock coverage by Fox News? I'd give my last good molar for that!
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Monday August 9, 2010, 2:27 pm
Please sign the petition, note and spread the word!
If this article doesn't get 250 noters (or at least 150 comments) as of Wednesday, I have to start throwing rocks at luxury cars owned by wealthy people in govt and big corporations, esp banks!
 

Kit H. (174)
Monday August 9, 2010, 2:29 pm
A New Petition & Related Actions:

http://www.care2.com/news/member/181228268/1939956
 

Charlie L. (47)
Monday August 9, 2010, 3:58 pm
I am outraged that once again Republicans and some spineless Democrats are trying to cut Social Security and privatize it. That's what GWB wanted to do. Imagine where retirees would be now if it had been privatize. I noted and signed the petition. Under the current system I am not likely to ever collect it anyway....I get a modest VA pension check and if I collect Social Security the Department of Veterans Affairs will deduct my Social Security income from my VA check. However, I am very concerned for the people who stand to lose if this bill is passed.
 

Deanna Zimmerman (74)
Monday August 9, 2010, 4:03 pm
signed and noted. thanks
 

Jacqueline S Wolf Heart (74)
Monday August 9, 2010, 4:08 pm
Absolutely George.I care about the elderly.On weekends my best buddy[my dog] Cane and I go and visit some and even take them to the store or shop for them.I Truly care for them.The reason I do what I do is Not for money or even gratitude I do it cause,As a child My great grandma taught me so much.She taught me To love the elderly/to care for them.,,I know it the Right thing to do..,Well,Thank you George for this story and the compliment.I will sign any petition to fight for the elderly..The elderly it seems More and More are being thrown to the wind with Healthcare,Now Social Security.Thank You George and Kit for caring for them Also.I am so glad to see others who CARE about them.
 

Anna Borsey (66)
Monday August 9, 2010, 4:09 pm
My brain wasn't properly in gear when I posted my first comment in this thread!

What I meant to write was:

Many low-paid jobs pay only £5 - £6 per hour, and a typical weekly rent is ca £150 - £250 - that is, the monthly rent is £600 - £1,000. With a weekly income of £200 - £240, before any deductions such as tax and national insurance, it is blindingly obvious that this equation will not come out. Here in Eastbourne, Sussex, bus drivers are paid a little over £6 per hour, and this is in the affluent southeast of England. The conversion rate today is £1 equals ca $1.59, which means that the legal minimum hourly wage in Britain, i.e., £5, is just $7.95 (today's exchange rate).

If you qualify for social housing (there is a very complicated points system) in the U.K. you just might be able to rent a reasonably pleasant, but small, flat comprising one reception room, two small bedrooms, one small/tiny kitchen and a small/tiny bathroom for £400 per month.

Regardless of the type of accommodation you live in - social housing, private rented, owned - you also pay council tax, which is based on the perceived "value" of your home (whether rented or owned).

The only thing that is not yet taxed is the air that we breathe!
 

Don H. (0)
Monday August 9, 2010, 4:10 pm
Retired-Voters.Org. Learn how Democrats gutted Medicare to pay for their Health Care takeover. They will promise to protect Social Security to get your vote. They will kill Social Security next! Who can believe them?
 

Lynn Allen (0)
Monday August 9, 2010, 5:20 pm
The Democrats started milking SS to fund the Viet Nam war but the Republicans sure followed the same path. The retirement age has already been raised once-I can't draw "full" benefits until I'm 67. By that time, I will have paid into SS for 51 years but as I've taught school for the last few years, my "full" benefit will be cut 20%. I'm mad at BOTH parties; this isn't a Dem vs Rep issue-they are equally flawed and at fault and if you think differently, you need to get your head out of your socks.
 

wendy w. (47)
Monday August 9, 2010, 5:37 pm
Thanx, Gregory. I received a post on my FB page about this very subject saying that Social Security was not running out of money & a few other myths that are being said about SS. Signed, noted & forwarded. Keep up the good work.
 

Kaye S. (45)
Monday August 9, 2010, 5:57 pm
Signed and sealed.
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Monday August 9, 2010, 5:58 pm
Anna Borsey, give them time I'm sure they tax the air soon. We use to get free air at our gas (petro) stations for our tires, now they charge for that air.

I'm glad you clarified the wage to rentals, as I'm thinking, darn that is cheap compared to here....I figured it was too good to be true. Was looking for the next boat going over......lol

I'd say, it's monkey see monkey do, all our Countries seem to be taking the same coarse, some a little better, some a little worse. My Canadian friends may have the health care, but their food prices are higher and their gas prices, a woman from Israel has spoken to me of big changes not for the better there in the past 20 years things that I was not aware of, so this fungus of Corporate greed, politicians being bought of, and those with weatlh are joining hands around the world.

Anyone familiar with the Georgia Guidestones? Google it. Some say those stones were the Elites who gave us fair warning for it is written in various languages and states that the population should be set at a much lower figure than exists now. Of coarse others feel it means something else, none the less, the Georgia Guidestones do exists and it took someone with some type of monies to put them there.

I think it is an effort by the Elites to slowly get rid of many of us who live, starve us, freeze us, discourage us to suicide, poison our foods with crap so we sick and die, who knows what was in that so called Swine Flu serium they were so hell bent for all of us to take, the list goes on. I don't trust them.

Gregory, I told you early on when you came to Care2, it is hard to get a lot of people to do more than what they do for the animals. I LOVE animals, don't get me wrong, and I sign petitions for them all the time, but you are so correct, I get a ton of forwards for the animals, begging and pleading for them, yet seldom for other issues.

It seems that people do not "get it" that if we, the people, are homeless, jobless, hungry, we can offer little to the animals. Many families I know that become homeless have to leave their animals in shelters which most do not find a home fast enough to retrive them out, many die in the shelters. People who can't afford to feed their child is not going to have food for the family cat or dog, I know I'm helping one family now to feed their cats and dog. How can people donate to various animal causes if they do not have their Social Security, a job, or unemployment.

So I don't know what to say about Care2, it isn't just an animal place but it seems more on here gravitate that way and do little to help in the other causes. I even had one person tell me as I'm part American Indian so I do things to keep the attention upon those people who suffer greatly, the Indians to me are the Canaries in the Coal Mine, the first to go down with the greed on this land. What was let happen to them, is now beginning to happen to us all. I try to bring that fact out to others, not trying to make anyone "feel guilty" as I was told, but to wake them up, it happened to them, on this land, can't you see how it is happening to ALL now?

They are getting our homes, having more and more people dependant on the system, taking away our abilities to feed ourselves, keep ourselves warm, our schools and way of life are in jepordy, through eniment domain the Wealthy "take" prime property by stating the area is blight when it is just smaller well kept homes, but the Wealthy wanted to put High Rises there, so if the people won't sell, they claim it blight. Perhaps they are not passing out small pox in blankets, but look at what Monsanto is doing? Look at all the crap in our foods.

Does none of that at all sound familiar to what was done to the American Indian? Hmmm. Take away their ways of feeding themselves, their lands, their homes, stip them of their culture, make them dependant on the hand outs instead of offering self sustaining programs or way of living.

Instead I had one member tell me, why do you do so much for the Indians, after all some survived? Yes, well I'm glad some of my ancestors survived or else I'd not be here, so I should, what, say no more. Be a happy little quiet Indian as not all my people were wiped out. So when the last of us poor folk, middle class, white people, black people, hispanic people are depleted down to nothing, perhaps one of those Elites will look at the few left, who mow their lawns, wash their cars, take care of their kids, and say, "well what are you complaining about, some of you survived, we kept some of you around to do our menial tasks we care not to do, now go clean the swimming pool and the septic system once your done."

I don't think throwing rocks is the answer either Gregory, we need you out and about doing something beside writing your novel behind bars. I stay on here as I do reach a new person now and again who does write back to me with an A HA.....moment. It is one more person that has joined the ranks, one more person who has finally "got it." Guess, what, it is usually through my native approach.....so I'm sorry if I made one person a wee bit uncomfortable, as I told her, I'm sure many on the Rez are uncomfortable too. I was deleted as her friend. Can't win them all.

When we don't help someone else.......because you are not like them, one day it will happen to a group you do belong to. As with Social Security, maybe you don't need it today, but tomorrow you will.

This quote can be used for this situation as well, it was for another time in history, when people didn't do something for someone else.

"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist; And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist; And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew; And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."
Pastor Friedrich Gustav Emil Martin Niemoller 1892-1984

A few of them survived too, but I doubt if I was Jewish, instead of native ancestry that same comment would of been said to me. We need to learn from this history of what happened to the Jews, but we also need to learn what happened to the American Indian and IS happening, because the same principle applies....you are next.......

So Wake Up!
 

Pat B. (354)
Monday August 9, 2010, 6:07 pm
TY, Gregory for this this important issue. I signed, and will forward this on to my friends also!!
 

Jill P. (70)
Monday August 9, 2010, 6:22 pm
signed. My petition comment.

Social Security money is a pact made between the government and its citizens. It is money set aside for social security retirement and Medicare. Every administration for the last few decades has been siphoning money from this Trust fund to pay for their wars and corporate welfare. The cuts stop now! it is time for congress to pay its debt to social Security and stop giving two thirds of it to private insurance industries. The theft party is over.
Watch Social Security Under Attack: Cuts Proposed, Higher Retirement Age Suggested
It's very informative.
They keep using scare tactics that Social Security is in danger. The only danger is their continuous siphoning from the Trust Fund to fill their own pockets.
This cut is in addition to the over half a trillion Obama is stealing form Social Security to pay for his over priced private insurance bailout he calls "healthcare reform".
 

Phil Heinlein (472)
Monday August 9, 2010, 6:23 pm
We pay into this fund all the years we work... it better be there when I retire.
 

Jill P. (70)
Monday August 9, 2010, 6:44 pm

Dear Healthcare-NOW! Supporter:

At a time when this nation faces the deepest recession in decades, skyrocketing unemployment, and fiscal crisis in our states, towns, and families, the nation's safety net is threatened by a select group whose overwhelming majority have historically favoured cutting benefits or privatizing federal social programs in order to balance the budget and enriching the corporate sector.

Despite widespread public support, the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, or the Deficit Commission, refuses to consider common sense solutions such as cutting the military budget, taxing the rich, negotiating prescription drug costs, and eliminating the waste of the private health insurance industry.

As the Deficit Commission prepares to make recommendations to Congress, it's critical to remember:

Raising eligibility ages for Social Security is an across the board cut of the benefits that we pay into for our entire lives. Raising the full benefits age by three years is a cut of 20%.
Cutting benefits to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are unnecessary when more reasonable cost controls can be considered such as the hundreds of billions in savings from implementing a single-payer health care system.
Sending any portion of these federal social insurance programs to Wall Street which are intended to publicly accountable for every cent is unconscionable.
The Deficit Commission is expected to make a recommendation to the House of Representatives for a vote in December. That means that the cuts and privatization of our most effective social insurance programs could be passed during a lame duck period of Congress.

It's not the first time our social insurance programs have been attacked, and it won't be the last, but Healthcare-NOW! believes we must protect what we have so that we can expand and improve Medicare for everyone.

We need you to join us at the front lines of this battle. We need an improved Medicare for All system that will control health care costs, deliver high quality, guaranteed health care to each of us, and get our economy back on track. Now is the time to stand up to those who will sacrifice these important programs and say "Hands OFF our Medicare and Social Security!"

You can find out more at the new website - Hands Off Our Medicare.org

Sign up to get updates on the Deficit Commission. Call and write your Representatives. Get your Representative and Federal Candidates to take the Pledge (.pdf) to protect Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Join actions across the country on July 30th celebrating 45 years of our successfully providing care to those over 65 and with disabilities.

These Wall Street insiders have to wake up to the needs of the people. We can't be silent on protecting these critical programs and continuing to fight for the health care system this nation still desperately needs.



For Improved Medicare for All,
Healthcare-NOW! National Staff and Steering Committee

It is too late for the rally but there will be more. Ther are also a lot of good resources on that page near the bottom.
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Monday August 9, 2010, 6:49 pm
Gregory,

I'm as much a victim of this as the rest. I'M TIRED. And that's part of the strategy. I've said over and over again that EVERY possible cause that people care about from the environment to baby harp seals to you-name-it are ALL under attack, CONSTANTLY. Win one this month, they'll be after it from another direction next month. Meanwhile everything is getting worse; it's getting harder and harder not to just get by, but to survive at all. I'm falling down on taking care of this falling-apart house, my benefits keep getting cut, I hurt too much and am too tired to cook, much less pick up, clean and organize the place. I'm behind on every bill I've got. And I still get umpteen requests for signatures for puppy mills, to save Social Security from being raided by the "elites" tools in Congress, I need to register both vehicles though one is not working (they'll tow it as a derelict vehicle here if there's no current tag on it), and on an on. IT NEVER ENDS< AND THERE'S NO SOLUTION. Not unless we take up arms and physically raid Washington D.C. "THEY" have control of all legal avenues, most ILLEGAL ones, they own the military and can call on the U.N., and they can ignore us with impunity except for election years, and even there, they cheat with all sorts of illegal means that we can't catch them at until it's too late. Now add to that that we're being poisoned, most of us. I can't afford to buy organic, even eating one meal a day. When my wife was alive we "made too much money" and got $10 a month in food Stamps. After she died it went up to $190 a month for me. Then I got a Social Security "Widower's Benefit" - $75 a month. Now I "make too much money" again and they dropped ti Food Stamps to $38 a month; this month it drops to $16, so the food budget, nevermind cat food, including soft/canned for my toothless two who can't eat kibble, has to come out of the cash. That's after over $400 a month mortgage, $90 a month insurance and other bills - which add up to more than what comes in. That $75 cost me nearly $400, I HATE answering the phone. And all of that, with being poisoned in ways I simply can't avoid, plus the pain, medications and all... It's a neverending battle, and first time enough of us fall down on the fight, they win and the troops in black (they LIKE those SS uniforms) will show up at the door.

Everyone is in that situation to one extent or another. And I'm NOT asking for pity or money - I'm hanging my own situation out there try to explain why I don't call my Congressman as often as I maybe should, or forget to pass something along or simply decline to - because my friends are all inundated with this stuff themselves and after awhile they start deleting things without even reading them. I NOW that, and try not to send too much too often. If we don't start REALLY FIGHTING soon though it's going to get so bad, we're all going to be so damned burned out, that they WILL win.

"the wealthy will not be exempt from being mugged at bus stops or having their houses broken into."

Sorry, but the wealthy don't hang out AT bus stops, and they have security - machines, guards, whatever. What they fear are mobs of pissed-off victims, not ordinary robbers.

Ian
 

Jill P. (70)
Monday August 9, 2010, 7:00 pm
"What they fear are mobs of pissed-off victims, not ordinary robbers."
You are absolutely right Ian.
That is why the Bush administration overturned the law that restricted the President and congress to ever use the military against Americans on american soil. so now they can control us and stop legal demonstrations. They just use military weapons on us.
God Bless America.
Youare right though Ian and I fully sympathize with you. many of us are in similar situations and yet you feel someitmes like you are nin a vacuum.
Do what y9ou can but take care of your needs first. it is our college students and those who can afford the time and money who are responsible for the fighting and rallying for those who can't. It is our responsiblilty to fight for those who can't. The ones who are beaten into the ground should not have to take on the Federal government. There should be voices yelling out for them.
so do what you can Ian. There are people in better positions than you who are fighting for you and others. Ther just are not enough of them in the United States. There seems to be more outrage and activism in other countries.
do your best Ian and whatever you have to to get by. you are not alone. It just feels that way.I hope the momentum builds fast enough to save us all in time.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Monday August 9, 2010, 7:22 pm
Phil, thank you, and I hope you'll sign the petition, cuz wishin' alone won't do it.
Dandelion, thank you, as always your wisdom helps. Governmental-political matters are often mind-numbing in complexity, maddening as hell, and give rise to all kinds of conflicting loyalties, misrepresentations, etc etc etc and many just don't have the time or whatever to sort through it all. I wish it could be made more simple and direct, the way action for animals or sometimes the environment can be approached, but it can't.

Heck, just had an idea. Launch an Animal Party. We help animals get elected to office. The animals will vote against cuts to Social Security because they're loyal and will feel sorry for the helpless humans who need it. If wealthy corporate elites corrupt the animals in office, no problem. The animals will remain loyal and give their kickbacks to the humans who take care of them. So at least we can protect Social Security for people who care about animals, and as for those who don't, well, let them fend for themselves.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Monday August 9, 2010, 7:41 pm
Ian, I felt badly not seeing your serious comment until after saying something for comic relief. Hey, you owe no apology, many I know on care2 are in tightening squeeze of hardship, and they owe no apology for what they prioritize or can or can't do. It's just like Jill said, those of us who are able are the ones who need to ask ourselves if we're doing enough or if we are doing the right things for those who need help. Millions already do need help, millions more soon will.
A part of me wishes I could just drop everything right now and start marching and march the rest of my life.
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Monday August 9, 2010, 7:41 pm
I agree with Jill, Ian. Do what you can. Even if it is one petition a week, it is one petition more than a lot of people are doing in the Country.

I have been pleading too, for the youth to stand up and get active. We did when we were young, the Civil Rights, Womens Movement, VietNam......the list went on. I just don't see it. What are the Professors teaching?

You are right Ian, they have come at us from all directions and we are wearing down, I'm not so young as I once was, with age all of us obtain some health issues although yours appear greater than others. But we need the youth, with their energy, to rally and get going. Is good to see some young ones on here, hope they take this knowledge and run with it.

As I explain to my own twentysomething kids, you will suffer with this a lot longer than I will. Thankful my daughter does a lot, but my son got sucked into the war machine, needs a job, health care, college monies, didn't want to be a burden on his widowed Mom, he said, even though I told him, he would never be a burden for I'd give my children my last piece of bread and go hungry myself before I let them hunger.

My daughter said it is hard to get others her age to do anything with her, they are all too busy gossiping about each other, playing video games, drinking, watching Big Brother on TV instead of the Big Brother that will matter to them learning about, or they are hanging around doing not much of anything. A lot of them don't have jobs now, but instead of using the time to be activists, they play video games or sleep, depression setting in with a lot of them, my daughter saved one of them from blowing his head off.

Our schools have dumbed our youth down, no critical thinking was taught, just learn this or that and pass this test your Junior year or Senior year of High School. Teachers teach to these tests, I know my daughter was the first year to have to pass them in order to graduate in 03. There was no "thinking" just memorize this or that.

I don't know how this is all going to turn out, but I feel it will get worse before it gets better. I'm not sure what the straw that breaks the camels back will be, but at some point it will break, that I'm sure of. Unfortunately there will be many innocents that will get caught in the crossfire, as those who have nothing to loose will take whatever it is they can find, it will not matter if you are rich or poor, if they are hungry, they will take it.

I have just tried to do what I can to keep it from getting to that point. I beg people now to do what they can now, don't wait until matters become truly out of control.
 

Rob Sullivan (86)
Monday August 9, 2010, 8:46 pm
Noted, signed and thanks, Gregory.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Monday August 9, 2010, 8:59 pm
A video of retired Sen. Alan Simpson's foulmouthed rant toward activist Alex Lawson is making the Internet rounds, as well it should: The sheer audacity and rudeness of the guy makes this clip "must-see TV."
Watch the video on this page and decide for yourself what the Obama-appointed Deficit Commission is up to:
http://strengthensocialsecurity.org/blog/2010/simpsons-social-security-video-rant-why-its-important

Below I've pasted the activist into and transcript of the video:

"But, while Simpson's outrageousness makes the video entertaining, here's what make it important: Alan Simpson is one of two chairs of a bipartisan commission created by President Obama to study the Federal deficit. His comments reveal a number of very important things about his biases, his tendency to distort and mislead, and his ideological extremism. These traits are likely to taint the Commission's work - work which has great implications for the future.

Your future.Simpson is the former Republican Senator from Wyoming, but those who hope that Simpson's biases will be offset by his Democratic counterpart are probably in for a big disappointment. As Robert Kuttner reports, Clinton Chief of Staff Erskine Bowles was finalizing a deal with Newt Gingrich to cut Social Security when the Monica Lewinsky scandal derailed their agreement.

Alan's one of the Wyoming Simpsons, although on this video he sounds more like one of the Springfield Simpsons. (D'oh!) Here's what his comments reveal, besides an irascible personality: That he wants to create a sense of crisis around Social Security, that raiding Social Security to pay for other government expenditures is perfectly fine with him ... even though he's supposedly a "small government" conservative, that he's entered an Orwellian world where cutting Social Security isn't really "cutting" it, and that he'll use absurd rhetorical games to defend his position. Jane Hamsher has the whole transcript, but here are the highlights.

The Shock Doctrine Without the ShockNaomi Klein described the "shock doctrine," where conservatives use a crisis to force unpopular ideas on the public. There is no crisis where Social Security's concerned, but Simpson and other Commission members want us to think there is. That explains exchanges like this:

SIMPSON (regarding Social Security): It'll go broke in 2037.

LAWSON: What do you mean by 'broke'? Do you mean the surplus will go out and then it will only be able to pay 75% of its benefits.

SIMPSON: Just listen to me instead of babbling ...

Simpson then goes on to affirm Lawson's statement (without apology, of course.) But he resumes the fearmongering a minute later:

SIMPSON: ... There is not enough in the system by the month ... to pay out what comes in. In other words there is more going out than coming in. That happened 3 or 4 weeks ago.

And, a few minutes later:

LAWSON: ... Social Security is separate, though, from the general budget, right? It's totally in the green.

SIMPSON: But it wasn't. Just four weeks ago, there wasn't as much coming in as going out.

LAWSON: Except you're not calculating the interest paid on the bonds, because, if you do include that, it's still in the green this year.

SIMPSON: Well you can go through all the sophistry of babbling that you want to.

LAWSON: It's not sophistry. It's just what the SSA says. So I'm just going on the numbers.

Alex is absolutely right, and Simpson's the one engaging in sophistry (if by "sophistry" you mean, to use Simpson's word, "bulls**t.") If the interest is paid as agreed on those bonds, Social Security is still in the black. And if the government pays back what's it has taken out of the Social Security coffers, benefits can be paid in full until at least 2037. But about that borrowed money ...

Big Government AlanIt's fascinating to watch Simpson suddenly defend big government expenditures, even when (make that only when people's own insurance payments - money they've paid to cover their retirement is borrowed and then left unpaid:

LAWSON: ... (W)hat about the $180 billion in surplus that (Social Security) brings in every year?

SIMPSON: There is no surplus in there. It's a bunch of IOUs.

LAWSON: That's what I wanted to actually get at.

SIMPSON: Listen. Listen. It's 2.5 trillion bucks in IOUs which have been used to build the interstate highway system and all of the things people have enjoyed since it has been setup.

LAWSON: Two wars, tax cuts for the wealthy.

SIMPSON: Whatever, whatever. You pick your crap and I'll pick the real stuff. It has to do with the highway system, it was to run America. And those are IOUs in there. And now there is not enough coming in every month ...

Simpson's capable of mustering an eloquent defense of government spending when it suits his argument (although he opposes it when it's actually being proposed). And welching on an IOU sounds just fine to him, too.

We didn't cut your benefits! Now be quiet and eat your cat food!

SIMPSON: In the year 2037, instead of getting 100% of your check, you are going to get about 75% of your check. That's if you touch nothing. If you like that, fine. You'll be picking with the chickens yourself when you're 65.

So we want to take care, we're not cutting, we're not balancing the budget on the backs of senior citizens. That's bullshit. So you've got that one down. So as long as you've got those two things down, you can't play with anymore, that we're not balancing the budget of the United States on the backs of poor old seniors and we're not cutting anything, we're stabilizing the system.

LAWSON: Thanks for being so frank. My question is: raising the retirement age, is actually an across-the-board benefit cut?

SIMPSON: There are 15 different options being discussed in here today, and why nail one of them...[inaudible]...if you would like to get one of them that pisses your people off.

LAWSON: Alice Rivlin was just on CNBC saying that that was one of the favorite methods.

SIMPSON: There are 15 of them in there.

I like the folksy "cutting with the chickens" line (although I don't know what the hell it means.) But this is the thinking: "we're not cutting , we're stabilizing." Expect to hear the word "stabilizing" used to mean "cutting" many times in the month to come - and expect your Social Security to be "stabilized" when it's time for you to retire if this ideology prevails.

Run that by me one more time?

Simpson asserts that Social Security wasn't originally intended to pay for people so far into retirement because life expectancy was low in 1935, when SSI was created. That's true ... but the program's been modified since then to adjust for increased life expectancy. That leads to this whopper:

LAWSON: ---(I)t's my understanding from actually looking at the 1983 commission (which revamped Social Security), they actually started prefunding the retirement of the baby boom by building up that huge surplus.

SIMPSON: They never knew there was a baby boom in '83.

Really? They didn't there was a baby boom ... in 1983?? They didn't know how many babies had been born in the years 1948-1964? Here's the real reason Alan Simpson says outrageously false things like that:

Read my lips: We're cutting your benefits so that we don't have to pay new taxes!

Here's the bottom line. Simpson doesn't want to force the government to pay those bonds back, because it will probably require new taxes to pay for them. The Commission's likely to recommend some new taxes, but the Simpson crowd wants those increases to be a small as possible. Here's an example of that ideology in action:

LAWSON: The government doesn't actually own the bonds, it's the government owing...

SIMPSON: Let me say things in a way so your fans will understand this, so you can go and be a hero. There is not enough in the system ... So, what do they do? They go to that trust fund and say, 'We need the IOUs out of it.' And they say, 'You can have them, but you have to pay for them' ...

Paying for them ... which means more taxes ... is exactly what Simpson and his comrades don't want.

There's more, and you should read/watch the whole thing, but that's the gist of it. It's frightening to consider the implications of Simpson's reaction - the fierceness, the ideological drive, and the closed-mindedness. Remember, his Commission has been entrusted with determining your financial future. That means your economic fate is in the hands of an angry ideologue ... and, for "balance," he's been partnered with somebody who worked with Newt Gingrich to try cutting Social Security.

As Alan Simpson might say, "@#)(@#*)(*@#)!!!!""

Gregory asks: Still think you don't need to petition Conress and Obama not to cut Social Security because they wouldn't dare?










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Robert S. (115)
Monday August 9, 2010, 9:00 pm
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/09/opinion/09krugman.html?_r=1&ref=opinion
 

Thomas C. (116)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 1:01 am
Noted and signed
 

chris b. (2474)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 1:21 am

A couple of interesting stories on the Cameron UK idea of Social Security cuts, climbing on the populist idea that claims are fraudulent! Must be the fact that most politicians fiddled their expenses therefore benefit claimants must do the same thing, thus demonstrating their complete detachment from reality!

http://www.epolitix.com/1832-blog/blog-post/newsarticle/on-the-agenda-tuesday-6/

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20100809/tuk-uk-britain-cameron-welfare-fa6b408.html
 

chris b. (2474)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 1:23 am
Gregory don't worry about those opposing little men on your shoulders they are after all on the shoulders of a giant amongst men!
 

Angelika R. (146)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 3:08 am
thanks Gregory, signed and noted-too much to read here for the moment.. but am just wondering as to why it's called SOCIAL SECURITY in the first place when some idiots then don't seem to understand the meaning of these two words and try to get their dirty hands on it...
 

luca pisaroni (0)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 3:15 am
thanks for this
 

Edward Janus (291)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 4:24 am
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I Signed and Shared This Petition.
 

Bob E. (113)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 4:33 am
Social Security and Medicare are the backbone for our elders…
That’s you and I one day…
Without Social Security and Medicare…
We would have a country of beggars and poor people…
Living on the streets…
Most workers cannot properly prepare for their future…
Many cannot put enough money aside…
Most cannot predict what will happen to them in the future...

Don’t let conservatives destroy your future…
it should NOT be changed…
But with all the baby boomers leaving the job market…
It may be necessary to increase the full entitlement retirement age…
We need to make sure the system is solvent...
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 4:45 am
Jill, Gregory and Dandelion - thanks! I know I can't do any more than I already am. It's just that sometimes I feel guilty anyway, especially when a moment like Gregory had comes along. I feel like I SHOULD be doing more. Dammit, I know more than most, I write well, why in hell CAN'T I do more? And I can't. And Gregory, don't feel like I'm saying it's your fault - it isn't. Sometimes I feel bad when causes ask for money - and i get between five and twenty a day sometimes - I feel bad that I can't afford to donate anything.

I'm not used to being this damaged, poor and generally helpless. One way or another it'll pass though. Thanks for caring!

Ian
 

Gary C. (5)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 6:50 am
noted and I'm sorry I can"t sign'....
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 7:36 am
There is much I want to say today to many, but first to Chris B: Of course my heart swelled that a person of your gifted and informed intellect said I was a giant among men, as it did the day in 2001 a group of world and national leaders and Sept 11 heroes gave me a sword they dubbed Excalibur to honor my efforts for a better world. But the truth is I am neither giant nor hero, though I often try to be and wish I was. The heroes honored in 2001 were those who risked their lives to save others in the WTC towers on Sept 11, and the families bearing the loss of those who died that tragic day. The heroes and heroines in my book these days are those like Ian who suffer great hardship but do all they can for others, and the Suzannes and Dandelions and Jills and Henriettes and so many others I could name who sacrifice and give of themselves and who lift our spirits and inspire the rest of us to do what we can. Chris, back in the 80's when Xerox promoted me to what they called a confidential-level exec, they gave me a series of IQ and other tests. The PhD consultant who reviewed the results with me said I was off the charts in two ways, one I paraphrase as capacity to see the forest for the trees, the other an inability to accept the status quo. In the matter at hand, here's what I see:

Social Security benefits are at serious risk of being cut. Congress and Presidents have in effect spent the trillions in the SS fund and replaced them with IOUs called Treasury Bills. Not even Change.org is being clear about this. Treasury Bills are not cash. They are the same IOUs the govt sells to other nations and wealthy individuals and investors (via the bank cartel and Fed, who get a cut) to get loans, ie cash advances.

The federal govt is running on a giant credit card, making payments with taxes taken in and further cash advances (proceeds from Treasury Bill sales) charged to the credit card. The SS fund's cash was used and pledged to make payments on that giant credit card.

Our nation has enough wealth to pay our debts down without cutting SS, but most of that wealth is in the hands of the rich and high income people who don't want to pay higher taxes because they are greedy and selfish. In fact right now they are manipulating the situation to press for renewal of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy that added hundreds of billions to the nation's debt (deficit, credit card balance, IOUs in the form of Treasury Bills that we are obliged to repay with interest). The war mongers don't want to cut Defense or get out of Afghanistan. Big Oil doesn't want to give up its tax breaks. The political-govt elite don't want to force salary cuts among the highly paid portion of the 1 in 3 employed Americans who work for federal, state or local govt because those 1 in 3 are a huge voting block and besides, the politicians take care of their own in govt. Andt they know the bottom 80% of Americans have only 7% of the wealth and their incomes are too low to bear more taxes.

The wealthy, and the govt elite and people earning $200K a year are not dependent on SS and most of them don't give a rats ass that 80% of Americans need it (or will soon need it) to survive. So, most of them are gunning for your SS benefits as an offset to the deficit problem. Yes, they are that greedy and selfish. They want the ponzi scheme that enriches them to continue, and must keep selling debt so the ponzi scheme won't collapse. They want to show buyers of the Treasury Bills they will do whatever it takes to insure repayment of the IOUs with interest. "Look, we're cutting social security to get our spending down so we can repay you. China, please buy $250 Billion more in Treasury Bills. Saudi Arabia, are you good for $100 Billion this year? Come on billionaires and millionaires, buy TBills, safest investment you can make, you know we're good for it."

Bob, Care2 friend, we agree on most things but on one point we don't. In isolation SS takes in more than it gives out until 2034 if no change whatsoever is made. Amazing isn't it that we are being warned of SS crisis 24 years in advance. After all, this shortsighted nation has done almost nothing to reduce our dependence on oil though every Pres since Nixon has said we must. But okay, yes, let's start doing what we must right now to insure SS takes in all it needs to pay out everything it promises for the rest of the whole damn century.

Let's impose an SS tax on earnings over $106,800, the current ceiling after which high-income people pay no SS tax at all. Maybe impose only half the tax from $106,800 through $200,000, a fourth of it through a million, a tenth of it after that. We don't want to burden multimillionaires and billionaire's too much. They've got yachts and Learjets and vacation islands and politicians to buy.

I'm serious Bob, why would you agree to cut any benefit to the 80% in this nation who now or soon enough will need it to survive, when you can raise all you need from the wealthy SOBs who can damn well afford it and still own 93% of the nation's wealth?

PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION, DO WHAT YOU CAN, THE WEALTHY ELITE AND WANNABEES ARE PLOTTING TO SLAUGHTER YOU FINANCIALLY STILL MORE AND THEY WILL NOT STOP IF YOU GO AS SHEEP TO THE SLAUGHTERHOUSE!
WE WERE CAUGHT OFFGUARD WHEN WE BAILED OUT THE BANKS AT COST OF OUR JOBS, HOMES AND SAVINGS WHILE THE BANKING CARTEL EXECS PAID THEMSELVES OVER $8 BILLION IN BONUSES WITH OUR MONEY AND OUR GOVT DID NOTHING ABOUT IT. THEY ARE NOW MOVING TO ROB YOU OF YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY, AND IF YOU GIVE THEM AN INCH THEY WILL EVENTUALLY TAKE THE WHOLE MILE OF IT.

START SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER RIGHT NOW!!!!
 

Cynthia Davis (339)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 8:26 am
Signed and put on facebook
 

Uschi Myers (2)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 9:22 am
I don't believe it.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 9:52 am
Ursula, I clicked your link to look at your profile so as to figure out if you were expressing shock or expressing skepticism that there is any move afoot that threatens social security, but got "no profile". So I'll just say this in case you are skeptical: Such reactions remind me of the millions slaughtered in the Holocaust who despite all the evidence and warnings got onto cattle trains, took their clothes off as told, and walked into "shower rooms" where they were gassed to death.

Believe it. I'm not in the biz of frightening people unnecessarily or wasting their time over trivia. But you don't have to take my word for it. You can read for yourself the documented facts re the statements and actions of the Deficit Commission chairs and from Repub senate leaders and others in recent weeks.

PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION, DO WHAT YOU CAN, THE WEALTHY ELITE AND WANNABEES ARE PLOTTING TO CUT SOCIAL SECURITY AND THEY WILL NOT STOP IF YOU GO AS SHEEP TO THE SLAUGHTERHOUSE!
WE WERE CAUGHT OFFGUARD WHEN WE BAILED OUT THE BANKS AT COST OF OUR JOBS, HOMES AND SAVINGS WHILE THE BANKING CARTEL EXECS PAID THEMSELVES OVER $8 BILLION IN BONUSES WITH OUR MONEY AND OUR GOVT DID NOTHING ABOUT IT. THEY ARE NOW MOVING TO ROB YOU OF PART OF YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY, AND IF YOU GIVE THEM AN INCH THEY WILL EVENTUALLY TAKE THE WHOLE MILE OF IT.

START SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER RIGHT NOW!!!!
 

Jim Phillips (3215)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 10:18 am
Pet6ition signed and forwarded to friends.

TY, Gregory H.
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Ann K. (113)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 12:01 pm
This is ridiculous! signed & noted, thanks.
 

Ancil S. (175)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 12:05 pm
Petition signed,cross posted to Face book,Twitter,my space,and forwarded to family and friend.
 

Julie F. (44)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 1:53 pm
Thank you
 

Nancy M. (201)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 3:41 pm
In case any of you had not noticed, I have read your comments and noticed that many of you have indicated that you don't receive full retirement until the age of 66 1/2 or 67 or whatever. It is true and I am in that bunch as well, along m=with my husband, my sister and her husband.

Yet- Look VERY CAREFULLY at your social security statement (at least they now send them out!). While full retirement might be at 66 1/2 or whatever, you will receive even bigger benefits if you don't take social security until age 70.

There it is, we already have a retirement age of 70. We just label it something else.
 

pj d. (57)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 4:30 pm
Thank you Gregory for your thoughtful contributions to this site. Action taken.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 4:38 pm
This petition seeks to protect Social Security from any reduction of benefits or raising of the early retirement or full retirement age. Signing it does not constitute support or criticism of any political party or person in govt.

PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION UNLESS YOU WANT CUTS IN SOCIAL SECURITY!
 

Kevin Miller (26)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 6:37 pm
im defiitely too young and will never see social security benefits. i know many our outraged by just the mere thought of SS being cut, well all I can tell everyone is not just something is going to give but a lot of things are going to give. Seniors for years as they grew up only assumed that SS will be there when they retire, they let the government dip into the SS fund while we were in better economic times, and they didnt care as long as they got their tax cut. Most of the population stays so uninformed, that they only get mad when they get screwed, and dont pay attention unless otherwise.
A rise in the retirement age, a gradual one at that, is only logical especially when Americans have longer lifespans even compared to a decade or 2 ago. SS was meant to only be 1/3 of your retirement benefits. The other 2/3s was meant to me a combination of personal savings and a retirement plan through your employer. People have used SS as there sole income, to some it is not there fault, but to the majority who just kept there faith in SS is completely foolish.
Dont regard my rant as one against the people. I am totally against govt mismanagement, but I am more against an uniformed populace that fails to take notice until tragedy has already struck. We are too reactive in solving any problems in the US, when we need to be proactive.
 

Jill P. (70)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 6:39 pm
I just got this today.

Dear Friend:

Social Security turns 75 on August 14th! Join the Alliance for Retired Americans in celebrations and actions (.pdf) across the country.

In its 75 years of existence, Social Security has not added a cent to our country's budget deficit. Nevertheless, even as the baby boomers begin to retire, some fiscal conservatives have labeled Social Security as "unsustainable" and in need of "serious cuts."

This year, the president established a Fiscal Commission, comprised in part of individuals who seek to reduce the funding to Social Security as a means to fixing America's budget deficit. While dealing with America's financial troubles must be a top priority, cutting Social Security is not a viable or sustainable solution.

Now more than ever, we must work to preserve this critical program from being subjected to cuts by deficit hawks.

Find a rally for Social Security near you.

For fact sheets and more information on Social Security, go here.


For Improved Medicare for All,
Healthcare-NOW! National Staff

 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 7:08 pm
Thank you Jill for your efforts to protect those not playing close attention the way young Kevin above admonishes. Kevin I'll give you a pass for certain aspects of your comment because you are young. There were many "supposed to be's". A job if you worked hard and/or smart for your employer. No wipe-out of your life savings from the biggest bank-fraud rip-off in all of recorded history. No eradication of your home equity after spending tens or hundreds of thousands paying mortgage interest and taxes. No foreclosure on it when you lost your job, income, insrance and savings. In my own case, since the bank fraud hit the fan in Sept of 2008 to date, I've lost nearly $500,000 in income, benefits, savings assets, home equity, and down-the-tubes mortgage interest. There are millions of such stories out there. Millions more of people who worked like dogs all their lives and were unable to earn enough to save, or if they did saw it wiped out by medical costs or the like. You are flat-out wrong when you say "to SOME it is not their fault, but to the MAJORITY who just kept their faith in SS is completely foolish". I realize you are not heartless Kevin, and mostly you were trying to say you yourself have wised up seeing what can happen. OK, good. Let's hope people wise up here and pay attention to the threeat to social security on which their survival depends, seldom through their own fault. On this I agree with you completely, the majority of Americans pay no attention until the bus hits them. This post is an attempt to alert them to the need to
SCREAM BLOODY MURDER, SIGN THE DAMNED PETITION!
 

Vikram Chhabra (394)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 7:17 pm
Signed and noted!
 

Robert S. (115)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 7:58 pm
http://tinyurl.com/2czebq7
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 8:20 pm
Thank you Bob. I've pasted the text of the link to Huffington you supplied so more people realize they will need SS to survive and should do all they can to protect SSm because the Obama adminsitration has people in it who won't:
"The latest job numbers are out -- and they're not good."

That's a phrase we've heard a lot lately -- and will likely continue to hear for the foreseeable future. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, while the unemployment rate remained unchanged at 9.5 percent, the economy actually lost another 131,000 jobs in July. The only reason the unemployment rate didn't go up was because so many people had quit looking and dropped out of the workforce. Tens of thousands of people throwing in the towel is definitely not good news. More "not good news": the number of Americans unemployed for 26 weeks or more is now over 6.5 million.

Clearly, we're not in the middle of a normal recovery. Wall Street may have its casino up and running again, but Main Street shows no signs of bouncing back anytime soon. From foreclosures to unemployment to household debt to bankruptcies, the American middle class is under assault -- and America is in danger of becoming a Third World nation.

I detail all the ways this is happening -- and the reasons why -- in my upcoming book, Third World America. Just as important, I also talk about the steps we can all take to help stop the slide. As soon as I finished writing the book, I knew I wanted to keep telling the stories of the middle class families whose lives have been turned upside down by the economic crisis -- and to provide interactive tools that would allow people to get involved.

That's why HuffPost is launching a "Third World America" section to bear witness to what is happening to the American middle class in small towns and big cities all across the country. And we will, every day, focus on the solutions that are making a difference in the lives of ordinary Americans.

And we want you to be a big part of this section. If you or someone you know has been struggling with unemployment, foreclosure, bankruptcy, or credit card debt, we want to hear about it. Visit our interactive map, share your story, and leave your mark.

Though it is far from what dominates the debate in Washington, every day brings fresh evidence of the new reality that America is entering. And it's not just about dismal unemployment figures and gloomy foreclosure numbers. As the New York Times reported last week, Hawaii has gone beyond laying off teachers and has begun laying off students -- closing its public schools on 17 Fridays during the last school year. In the Atlanta suburb of Clayton County, the entire bus system was shut down. Colorado Springs turned off over 24,000 of its streetlights. The Philadelphia Inquirer reports that Camden, New Jersey is soon to permanently shutter its entire library system. And last month the Wall Street Journal reported on the trend of cash-strapped states and counties giving up on the idea of maintaining paved roads, allowing them instead to turn back into gravel. And those localities that can't even afford to put gravel down are just letting the roads, as the Journal put it, "return to nature." A seminar at Purdue University on this trend was entitled "Back to the Stone Age."

Though the particulars of our country's transformation are painfully real to the rest of the country, Washington and Wall Street remain blind to our trajectory toward Third World status.

Witness the joint appearance on Fareed Zakaria's CNN show by former Treasury Secretaries Paul O'Neill and Robert Rubin. According to both of them, we don't need a second stimulus. "We are moving forward at a pretty gradual pace," said O'Neill, "but I don't think things are terrible." Is "not terrible" the new definition of success? And I don't doubt that things are not terrible for O'Neill -- in fact, I bet the roads leading to most of his houses are still paved.

As for Rubin, he "wouldn't do a major second stimulus, because I think...we run a risk that it could be counterproductive in creating a lot of additional uncertainty and undermining confidence."

Uncertainty? I guess that's true in the sense that the nearly 15 million people without a job are currently quite certain they don't have one; if a new stimulus bill were passed, there will at least be some welcome uncertainty as to whether they would be one of the lucky ones getting hired.

In Rubin's mind, what would create more "certainty" is -- drumroll, please -- deficit reduction. "I would try over the next six months to put in place a very serious beginning of deficit reduction that would take effect at some specified time in the future," he said. "I think that could do a lot for confidence."

As Duncan Black writes:


"Can someone get me some of the Very Serious Person crack rock so I can understand the very sophisticated economic model such that all that matters is 'confidence' and that confidence could be undermined by fiscal stimulus?"

But Rubin's reasoning begins to make sense when you remember that he is only concerned with the confidence of a few hundred of his friends on Wall Street. And though he wasn't officially speaking for the Obama administration, he doesn't have to, since so much of the economic team at Treasury and the White House is composed of Rubin's acolytes. Here, for example, was Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner in his recent New York Times Op-Ed celebrating our wonderful recovery: "we are on a path to growth," but "uncertainty is still inhibiting investment."

It's not uncertainty that is stopping business from expanding capacity -- it's a lack of customers. Because the potential customers don't have jobs!

With this kind of muddled thinking by our "very serious" establishment, we're in for a long, bumpy ride. But you have to at least give Rubin credit for gall -- after all, he's one of the people responsible for the continued misery that millions of Americans wake up to every morning. And now he's back arguing against a practical solution to the mess he helped create. Talk about chutzpah.

The O'Neill and Rubin Continue-The-Misery Show certainly proves that this is not a left-right issue - the willful lack of awareness of the reality being experienced by so many Americans is truly bipartisan.

But it's going to take more than a new stimulus to stop our slide into Third World status. While pushing those in charge to do the right thing, we're also going to have to push ourselves.

In Waiting for Superman, his new documentary on America's failing public school system, Davis Guggenheim (the Oscar-winning director of An Inconvenient Truth) tells how the project began. Every day, while taking his children to their top-flight private school, he would pass several troubled public schools, filled with children not nearly as lucky as his own -- trying his best to not see the tragedy staring him in the face. Finally, after, as he puts it, "every morning betraying the ideals I thought I lived by," he decided to stop not-seeing the problem and do something about it. At the moment, our country is afflicted with an epidemic of not-seeing (indeed, it would seem to be a requirement for the job of Treasury Secretary).

Which is why we created our "Third World America" section. There, the crises will be seen and the stories will be heard. And there will be many ways for you to get involved -- things we can all do to make sure we never find ourselves living in Third World America.

You can start by taking our Pledge for the America Dream.

As the section continues to expand, you will also find ways to: share your story; bounce back from adversity; build your financial literacy; stay informed; become an American Dream watchdog by monitoring the behavior of business leaders and politicians; connect with others to take action; help others build skills, finds jobs, and save their homes; and more.

Unemployment, foreclosure, bankruptcy -- these are all isolating experiences. And that isolation takes its toll. A 2002 study by researchers at Yale found that "high unemployment rates increase mortality and low unemployment decreases mortality and increases the sense of well-being in a community." Indeed, the recession has coincided with an increase in the suicide rate.

So we all need to do our part. The attack on the middle class may be ignored in Washington, but we can see it -- and do something about it -- in our own communities.

Though we can't let our leaders off the hook -- or fail to speak out when they, and/or their former mentors who got us into this mess continue to put forth policies that will hasten the decline of America's middle class -- we have to take responsibility for our communities as well.

So take the pledge. Send us your stories. Resolve to stop not seeing what's going on in your community. And take action.
If we don't change course -- and quickly -- Third World America could very well be our future.


 

Dandelion G. (381)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 10:05 pm
Ian, yes you are an articulate and intelligent man, so write when you can on the subjects that Care2 offer. If you can not do more, then let your words inspire others who do have more able bodies to do the leg work on your behalf.

In every effort there are many posts to be filled, in an eatery, not all can be the cook, someone must do the dishes, serve the food, clean the tables. So write my dear friend, pass along the knowledge you have to the reader who will be enlightened by your words.

I thank you for the Honor Gregory that you bestow. It is a real compliment coming from someone such as yourself.

Now raise the trumpets and go at those who would slice the throats of the millions of Elders and Disabled across this land. Not only sign the petitions, but write your Rep's a personal letter, snail mail it, that still holds more weight to them......they figure for every 1 letter they receive on an issue, there are 99 others who feel the same but will not take the time to write. So think of your letter being 100 letters....that should motivate you.
 

K R (4)
Wednesday August 11, 2010, 2:09 am
SIGNED! AND AM PASSING THIS ON TO EVERY PERSON I KNOW!
 

Jytte Nhanenge (64)
Wednesday August 11, 2010, 11:09 am
Great efforts Gregory! Although you may not be satisfied, people’s attention, appreciation, and comments are impressive. I think that the 14 million Care2 members are divided into many small pockets of interests and therefore many will not even see your important post. But nevertheless, it does not mean that they will not protest if it actually comes to reality that their social security is taken away. Therefore, keep up the good work and do your best.

I believe (regretfully) that this possible exercise from your government is a logical extension of the neo-liberal policies. The neo-liberal policies are inherently dominative, exploiting society and nature, while directing resources for profit making to the political and economic elites. These policies will end live on Earth unless we stop them. Thus, the real problem is the fundamentalism of the neo-liberal political system, not that your government want to remove your social security. The latter is a consequence of neo-liberalism. Many in this world are fighting the evil neo-liberal system. Activists are ongoing showing their protests at every G8 meeting. Thus, we are many who are doing our bit in the struggle against neo-liberal exploitation. As you know, I have written a book, in order to inform about its cruel side-effects of poverty, war, human rights abuses, and environmental destruction. Many others are also doing what they can to inform and make people aware that they do not live in a democracy as long as we have neo-liberalism because the system is based on dictatorship.

I think that non-cooperation is the best way of showing one’s opposition to governments’ poor policies. If it is done peacefully then the action also has the opportunity to teach the government that people are not anymore willing to cooperation with their poor leadership, judgment, and actions. Gandhi knew that well, when he developed his Satyagraha movement in India. I believe the following quotations make his point clear:
“In my humble opinion, non-cooperation with evil is as much a duty as is cooperation with good.” Mohandas K. Gandhi
“Truth (satya) implies love and firmness, (agraha) engenders and therefore serves as a synonym for force. I thus began to call the Indian movement Satyagraha; that is to say, the force, which is born of truth and love or nonviolence.” Mohandas K. Gandhi.
Hence, if it comes to the worst, I believe Americans will take to the street, protest, and hence end their cooperation with their government. Without the people, a government is nothing.
Maybe the whole issue will end in something good because as the South African poet N. P. van Wyk Louw said, “Revolt is just as necessary to a nation as loyalty. There is no danger when a rebellion fails; what is dangerous is that a whole generation may go by without protesting.”
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Wednesday August 11, 2010, 12:21 pm
Thank you Jytte, and I do agree time has come for a citizen's rebellion, but alas no such rebellion will arise until the bottom 80% of Americans who are down to 7% of its wealth are further crushed toward 0% by loss of part of their social security, more jobs losses, more homeless, further costly and unwinnable and unjustified "war" in Afghanistan, fleecing by the banking cartel and its Federal Reserve that everyone things is a govt agency, and so on.

As to this article and my efforts, it is my nature and moral obligation to be dissatisfied. This post was ranked number one on all of Care2 for two days, thanks to all those who noted, commented, forwarded and so on. Care2 has 1.5 million or so who visit the site at least once in a typical months, but a core of about 1,000 who do most of the posting and noting and commenting, and their attention is spread across thousands of articles and messages posted daily, and a great many of those are worthy. When I "yell" it's at the people who aren't listening or reading, but of course the ones who read the "yell" are not the ones I'm yelling to (or yelling at)! Like I say on my profile, sometimes I truly am the stupidest person I know!

To the few who will see this article after today: Please sign the petition!
 

Nancy M. (201)
Wednesday August 11, 2010, 12:26 pm
Well Gregory, I had previously signed. But I just forwarded the petition to friends and family. Thanks to you and your "yelling".
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Wednesday August 11, 2010, 1:09 pm
"Gregory, you idiot, how many times do we have to tell you you cannot send another Green Star to Nancy (and Jytte, and Dandelion, and ..,Capisce?) ?!?!!!" --Care2 Committee to Combat Stupidity
 

Carmen S. (69)
Wednesday August 11, 2010, 1:41 pm
Yes I also signed somewhere else and here too. I also added they should cut the salaries of our Congress and some of their perks. That is what is helping to make a big deficit in our budget. SS does not add a thing to it. Also posted on Facebook.
Gosh if all those people above did sign and it went to Congress that should set off a red light that they had better not tangle with the American people on SS.k
That should also tell Republicans not to vote for them because that is what will happen if they get into power. They hae been trying for years to end SS or put it on the stock market. God borbid.
 

Nancy M. (201)
Wednesday August 11, 2010, 1:42 pm
Gregory- I just sent you so many green stars that one might be tempted to say that there are "a thousand points of light" in the sky.

(But I know better!)
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Wednesday August 11, 2010, 1:54 pm
"they let the government dip into the SS fund while we were in better economic times, and they didnt care as long as they got their tax cut."

Kevin, when they raid SS they din't ASK us us farts, and they don't bother to TELL us either. We usually hear about it in passing later, or in relation to something else, and no matter HOW MUCH we tell them to keep their damned hands off this money that has NOTHING to do with them or their pet projects, they still continue to act like kids with a cookie jar right where they can reach it. We've done everything but execute the raiders, and that probably wouldn't work either. Somehow we have to get the robber barons and their tools OUT of the government before things like this are going to change.

Ian
 

SuS NoMail Plez P. (244)
Wednesday August 11, 2010, 2:44 pm
Thank You Dearly Gregory...from all my heart.
 

Lyn Z. (297)
Wednesday August 11, 2010, 6:39 pm
Thanks Gregory = Signed a couple of petitions online a couple of days ago.
 

James Travers (44)
Wednesday August 11, 2010, 7:19 pm
Wow. The comments on this page! When I signed the petition I reminded the politicians of that old adage about Social Security being the third rail of American politics. From the amount of comments here it seems that adage still holds true.
The armed rebellion comments here bother me a tad. There is a better approach which would be as successful and much less bloody if not less scarey. Basically, and I mean no disrespect to Conservatives, we must take a page from the Republican filibuster playbook and just say no. We have to shake up the elite who in my opinion are the ones responsible for this attack on the rest of us. We need to have a mass strike. Don't work, don't spend. It wouldn't be pleasant but not nearly as destructive as a rebellion and it wouldn't take nearly as long. But we all have to do it at the same time.

I see Congress, the President and the Fed in general as actors. They are just following a script. The elite are playing us all against each other and as long as half the population feels one way and half the other way nothing will ever improve. For me this last election was a wake up call. One party got the White House and super majorities in both houses of Congress and nothing has changed. As someone who believes all political zealots are wrong AND all political zealots are right, I've noticed that both sides are basically accusing each other of the same things. Sort of a Pee Wee Herman "I know you are but what am I?" deal. This shows me that there is a deeper problem. And that problem is the elite.

We need to make them sit up and notice that the sheep are not behaving as they expected us to. We need to see that we all are being manipulated. We need to see that we have a common enemy. And that enemy has no political, ethnic, religious or geographical distinction. And not to scare folks but it is my belief that we need to do this soon. The population is getting too large for the elite to control efficiently and they are going to change the playing field. It's already begun.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Wednesday August 11, 2010, 7:38 pm
Um, James, I use the term "rebellion" loosely above (ie "rebellion" doesn't equate to violent overthrow of government), and MOST people I know on Care2 agree that "the greed of the wealthy corporate elite" (or similar expression) is the common enemy of all but 5% or less of the entire USA population. So I'm trying to tell you that most commenters and noters of this article more or less agree on that score.
 

James Travers (44)
Wednesday August 11, 2010, 8:01 pm
I wasn't just refering to your use of the term Gregory, altho I respectfully disagree with your definition of rebellion. I believe it does denote violence in most cases. There is also "Not unless we take up arms and physically raid Washington D.C." by another poster. And it's not just on the comments on this page or on Care2 in general where I have seen many such remarks. Violent overthrow and civil war comments are spreading like wildfire around this country.
I agree that most responders on this article agree with the common enemy theme. I didn't say otherwise.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Wednesday August 11, 2010, 8:40 pm
Fair enough James, and just so that I'm not being dishonest, I have elsewhere intimated that (1) I think we need some protests that get a bit "unruly", and (2) many, myself included, think there is a mounting risk not of the type of rebellion I would like to see right now, but in 1 to 3 years an outbreak of violence of the type that preceeds civil war in countries where govt cannot exert the control it can in the USA. And as much as I give my all to foster change both peacefully and via loud "rebellion" of the kind that's peaceful (ie protests, votes, marches, civil disobedience, strikes), I think it may be the case that we will not see change until the situation gets ugly and sometimes violent. That's not what I'm advocating, but what I'm warning often happens when people do not act until masses are desparate and angry.
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Thursday August 12, 2010, 2:20 am
I think that quote was me, James, and I think I hung that out there as something unlikely. Frankly though, the more I learn about how BADLY the American people are being used, abused and outright MURDERED by the "elites" and their tools, the more it seems to me that there isn't going to be any kind of flashpoint until the citizens realize that they ARE being murdered, robbed and treated as utterly valueless. With all the drugging plus people's efforts to survive, and considering that our government now simply ignores the law, even the Constitution as though it didn't exist, I think there may actually BE a physical flashpoint, a real, bloody-handed rebellion. God, I hope not, but when over 300 million people see that they have absolutely no access to the government that means anything, what do you think they'll do? If that realization comes before everyone's so sick they just lie and die or go home and go to bed, it could be a real mess.

Ian
 

Kevin Miller (26)
Thursday August 12, 2010, 6:59 am
Time for me to chime in a bit on this. I dont think a physical rebellion will ever happen for one in the US, Ian. We have become to lazy to even strike, or protest. Just look at the difference between the 60s and the modern era. Today we have become complacent, and the government needs to do is call there corporate buddies and push a new product like an iPhone, iPod, etc or whatever. Corporations are using America's materialism and dire need for the latest tech products to their advantage. The youth does not vote, and all they care about is what happened on "jersey shore" or some other idiotic so-called "reality" TV.
The only thing that will change America is a total cultural and mindset shift. To be more moderate in the lifestyles we live and to stop buying and feeding money into the corporation. Until that happens, I believe their really is no hope, Ian. Just look at the power and wealth Wal-Mart and the Walton family has immensed themselves with in the past 2 decades. They are trying to hit all angles of the market now and invade small towns and run out small businesses, yet no one cares as long as they get their cheap Chinese products and have cheap gas to fuel up there cars.
 

Jill P. (70)
Thursday August 12, 2010, 7:09 am
"We need to make them sit up and notice that the sheep are not behaving as they expected us to. We need to see that we all are being manipulated. We need to see that we have a common enemy. And that enemy has no political, ethnic, religious or geographical distinction. And not to scare folks but it is my belief that we need to do this soon."
I fully agree James, but when I say it people get real upset. Too many Americans are still entrenched int he Party loyalty. They don't vote based on issues they vote based on Party. Even within their own party they only vote, in the Primaries, for the two candidates the corporate media has chosen for them. They don't even support the few candidates within their party who refuse corporate donations. The result? What we have now.
It does not matter which party is in office or which is the majority. We get the same trash and no change, only a change in gurad. America keeps putting in corporate picked shills to be puppets for the elite. Americans refuse to support candidates who refuse corporate bribes. They call it "throwing your vote away."
Supporting corporate owned candidates, the kind we've had for a few decades now and still have, I call "throwing your future away."
 

Jill P. (70)
Thursday August 12, 2010, 7:25 am
This is what happnes when you allow corporations to own tv and newspaper media like congress did several years ago. You cannot trust a word out of their mouths. They have corporate agendas to push on the public and have the mass media to do it. it's called propaganda not news.
I got this from FAIR
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Subject: CNN's Social Security Scaremongering


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Situation Room Scaremongering
CNN's Social Security crisis

8/11/10

The August 5 reports from the Social Security and Medicare trustees declared Social Security's long-term financial outlook mostly unchanged from the previous year, and the projections for Medicare were greatly improved from previous forecasts. But on CNN's Situation Room, this news amounted to a crisis in Social Security and a threat to the country.

On the August 5 broadcast, host Wolf Blitzer announced: "Social Security reaches the final financial tipping point. The system is now paying out more than it's taking in. Will Washington do anything anytime soon to fix this problem?" Blitzer was referring to the fact that this year Social Security is paying out more in benefits than it receives in tax revenue--a mostly meaningless fact, given the system's $2.5 trillion long-term surplus (CEPR's Social Security Byte, 8/5/10). But Blitzer turned to a single guest, Beltway fixture and former presidential adviser David Gergen, to echo his alarmism.

"We're getting disturbing numbers now once again on Social Security," Blitzer declared. "We seem to be getting these every few years, and people sort of just kick this can down the road." Gergen responded that government debt will "seriously threaten the future of the country." He acknowledged that the trustees' reports suggest the programs are "in good shape," but as a self-described "deficit hawk," he still saw a crisis looming, since "the government is going to have to put more and more money into it...and therefore, the cost to government will go way up and the size of the national debt is going to continue to go up."

When Gergen says that the government is going to "put more and more money" into Social Security, he means that the government is going to start paying back some of the trillions of dollars it has borrowed from the Social Security system. He and Blitzer see this as a crisis; others would see it rather as the deserved and anticipated return of enormous amounts of wealth to the working people who contributed to the surplus over the last three decades, specifically so that it could be paid back now as the baby boomers begin to retire.

Gergen complained:



The liberals have seized on this new report about Social Security and Medicare, these reports, and said we don't need to touch these, they're solvent. Go away, don't do this. But the deficit hawks are saying, wait a minute. If you don't deal with Medicare and Social Security, if you don't reform them, the deficit is going to go higher and higher. The national debt is going to reach proportions we can't stand, and it's going to bring all sorts of problems to the country.

Gergen's conflation of Social Security and Medicare can only mislead viewers. Social Security over the long term is expected to consume a constant share of U.S. GDP, about 6 percent--roughly 1 percentage point more than it does now. This increase can be paid for with minor adjustments to the program, such as raising or eliminating the cap on income subject to Social Security taxes (currently $87,900). These changes can be made decades from now, when the trust fund is finally depleted. Medicare, by contrast, really is growing unsustainably--because medical costs in general are growing unsustainably, and need to be brought under control to avoid general economic collapse. To treat the two programs as being similar problems completely obscures the very different solutions each requires.

The August 5 segment does not seem to be an outlier for the Situation Room. An August 9 report from Lisa Sylvester, for instance, suggested two possible approaches to Social Security: raising the retirement age or increasing the tax rate, which "could hurt small businesses and low-wage workers." As Sylvester put it, "There are just no easy answers." But one option that would be much easier--raising the cap on income subject to the tax, which would not affect low-wage workers--went unmentioned.

And on July 16, CNN commentator Jack Cafferty mentioned that politician have "run out of options on how to pay for Social Security, which is broke." That statement is completely false, unless a program with trillions of dollars in assets, sufficient to fund its obligations for decades to come, is "broke."

On the August 5 show, Gergen pointed out that this year will bring plenty of opportunities to talk about Social Security: "We at CNN and others can really help people understand what the choices are facing the country because they are tough choices, very hard choices, and a lot of Americans are going to be startled by just how serious some of this is."

If CNN's Situation Room program is serious about covering Social Security fairly, they need to balance the views of Cafferty and Gergen with experts like economist Dean Baker of the Center for Economic & Policy Research, or Nancy Altman from Social Security Works, who can give viewers an informed, clearer-eyed assessment of Social Security's finances.


ACTION:
Ask CNN's Situation Room to bring on Social Security experts who would challenge the alarmist views featured recently on the show. Social Security is an important subject that deserves balanced reporting.

CONTACT:
CNN's The Situation Room
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ACTION:
Ask CNN's Situation Room to bring on Social Security experts who would challenge the alarmist views featured recently on the show. Social Security is an important subject that deserves balanced reporting.

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Robert S. (115)
Thursday August 12, 2010, 8:45 am
Great Share Jill

It highlights what I think is among our greatest problems. A National media that is owned and operated for the furtherance of the right wing Corporate agenda. I remember The Times reporting during the drumbeat toward the invasion of Iraq and MSNBC taking Donahue off the air because he spoke out against it. We have very little left of what was once a free press. From Reagan to the present our media has been co-opted for the use of the right as a pure propaganda tool, changing laws about media consolidation and balance to achieve that end. At times, it is very clear. At other times they attempt to keep the illusion of unbiased reporting alive, but more and more they don't bother, i.e., Fox News.

Thank you all for whatever you do. Fight the phony Tea-party revolution pushed by Fox worlds Corporate agenda.

http://www.freepress.net/media_issues

 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Thursday August 12, 2010, 9:04 am
Excellent contribution Jill, 10 green stars!
However Jill, as you know, this post has had its run, so very few people will see the information in your comment. To me it is very upsetting because most see Blitzer and CNN and Gergen as credible sources, and this confirms my fear that the megabank-Fed cartel and deficit-hawk elites in govt and politics are gaining ground in their drive to make cuts in Social Security benefits to reduce the deficit rather than raise taxes on the wealthy or tax-doding corporations or reduce Defense spending by withdrawing from Afghanistan, etc.

Jill, we face these huge problems in campaigning to protect Social Security:
---Getting people to understand that Congress and the past Repub and current Dem administrations don't want to let it be clear that they collectively have raided all the SS cash to pay for other govt spending, so that what's sitting in the SS fund are IOU's called Treasury Bills, the same as the rest of the huge deficit.
---Getting those who are loyal to Dems and/or Obama to realize that Obama's chief economic adviser was one of the banking cartel execs (who personally made $100 million) who gave us the debt-driven crisis that led to the trillion-dollar bail-out of the cartel which was financed with Treasury bills ie iOUs ie deficit. Getting them to realize further that Obama created and appointed the bipartisan Deficit Commission whose Co-Chairs both want cuts to SS. Obama pledged in advance to act on the recommendations. They've set up a special process for the Obama adminstration and Congress to decide which recommendations to act on. The characteristics of the process are two: (1) soon and fast, and (2) as little public view as they can get away with. As to recommendations involving Social Security I watched the videotaped interview of Co-Chairman Simpson (a former Repub Senator, who said there were 15 different SS cut options currently on the table. He did not say how many they would recommend in their final presentation to Obama and Congress. The other Co-Chair is a Dem who under Clinton was working on a SS privatization bill that Bush later tried to get passed.
---Getting people to realize that the elite (banking cartel, govt elite, wealthy who don't want to pay the taxes they can afford) are targetting to cut SS, the threat is real and imminent.
---No doubt Obama doesn't WANT to cut SS, but as we have seen repeatedly on issue after issue he is fast to compromise with "the enemy". For God's sakes they just cut food stamps to pay for the teacher jobs bill! Obama loyalists and Dem loyalists need to see they must pressure Obama and Dems (ie apppeal to them) not to compromise on Social Security.
This is the bottom line of my message to activists seeking to protect Social Security: If this appeal comes across as an attack ON Obama rather than an appeal TO Obama, many Obama loyalists will feel a need to defend him and won't sign petitions to protect SS.

 

Dandelion G. (381)
Thursday August 12, 2010, 9:45 am
Gregory stated: Getting those who are loyal to Dems and/or Obama to realize that Obama's chief economic adviser was one of the banking cartel execs (who personally made $100 million) who gave us the debt-driven crisis that led to the trillion-dollar bail-out of the cartel which was financed with Treasury bills ie iOUs ie deficit. Getting them to realize further that Obama created and appointed the bipartisan Deficit Commission whose Co-Chairs both want cuts to SS.

This is a problem, but one the Elites love, this party loyalty, without looking BEHIND the scenes. The old days of what each party represented is gone. Both have been infused with the Elites agendas that has created the issues at hand today. Those who BLINDLY follow, simply because it is a color or symbol, need to look at the boarder issues at hand.

As you said, this thread is about on its' last legs so I want to thank everyone for their contributions, a great thread, and Jill, I'm waitng for the TBA in Orlando, I will be there, better believe it. Gregory as always, great input on here, very knowledgable.

Just one final point I would like to make concerning the increase of age in order to collect full benefits in the Social Security. We keep hearing, well people are living longer as an argument to do so. Perhaps the people who love their work, those who have desk jobs, staying at work may be something they want to do or is a possible thing for them to do.

But for millions who toil in the labor market, standing on their feet all day waiting on tables, climbing ladders doing roof work in the hot sun, or down in the coal mines, and a host of other back breaking jobs, their bodies ache from years of this, and believe me by the time they hit 60 they are feeling every bit of those years.

It is perhaps easy for those who have had good health care all their lives, the heaviest thing they lift is a cell phone or briefcase, they can sit in comfort at a desk, or stand at a podium to talk, they can feel, hey, whats the problem I can do it. Throw them a shovel, hammar, or heavy tray of dishes and let them do that job day after day and see how they feel at that point about raising the retirement age. People are so self absorbed with themselves they fail to look out at what others truly do to put food on their table and keep this Country going.
 

Robert S. (115)
Thursday August 12, 2010, 10:01 am
Personally, I am sickened by the degree to which Obama has compromised on the mandate given him and on which he was elected. I too am exhausted but continue as many of us here do to meet the ever growing standard of what we must do to achieve goals which we thought we elected Obama to institute. "WE" never seem to be doing enough...and now, the Obama spokesmen tells us we and our small portion of representative media should be more grateful. Grateful.... Well yes...I am. Grateful, but not pleased. In spite of what some would have us believe, it could be much worse. The Dems and Repubs are not "the same". And "the right" is going full bore with its Phony revolution, and its huge share of media ownership and the idiot masses who think Walmart is a good thing.

I am not an Obama loyalist, as he would know if he read my letters, but I do see that in order to take away the strength of the Democrat excuses ( some valid, some not). We must double down on the hand we hold, taking the power to betray us away from the blue-dogs and their ilk. The next two elections will decide who is in charge of this country for the foreseeable future. What would these last two years have looked like if we had more true liberals in office? Just replace some who have betrayed us on key votes and what do we have? If we had not had to deal with one filibuster after another? (A record number, never seen in our history.) I ask my liberal friends to not throw the baby out with the bath water. Lets get what we want. One last push for our future...near and far. Its time to suck it up, fight with what we have for that we want. If we are not smart, we loose it all. They are at the gate and this is the endgame.
 

Robert S. (115)
Thursday August 12, 2010, 10:57 am
"We keep hearing, well people are living longer as an argument to do so. Perhaps the people who love their work, those who have desk jobs, staying at work may be something they want to do or is a possible thing for them to do.

But for millions who toil in the labor market, standing on their feet all day waiting on tables, climbing ladders doing roof work in the hot sun, or down in the coal mines, and a host of other back breaking jobs, their bodies ache from years of this, and believe me by the time they hit 60 they are feeling every bit of those years.

It is perhaps easy for those who have had good health care all their lives, the heaviest thing they lift is a cell phone or briefcase, they can sit in comfort at a desk, or stand at a podium to talk, they can feel, hey, whats the problem I can do it. Throw them a shovel, hammer, or heavy tray of dishes and let them do that job day after day and see how they feel at that point about raising the retirement age. People are so self absorbed with themselves they fail to look out at what others truly do to put food on their table and keep this Country going."

Dandelion,
So well said and so true, it is worth repeating. Hitting 56 and having worked at physically demanding jobs most of my life, I feel you. Often, those with less and those without the knowledge of experience including the young will settle for less, help break your Union, underbid you and work for no benefits. It is a sad fact that is exploited by those who gain by it here in the jungle. It is the reason behind the way Unions are characterized in this country. Organizing = power, and when we do that, its a communist plot to undermine the American way... dontcha know.
Enter...the "right to work" states. Translation...the "right to work" for less with longer hours and no benefits. Just like the "clear skies act" allowed Big coal to spew more waste into the air. Clever devils these right wingers. |Walmart/Fox nation does not even notice until they too get older, and sometimes...not even then.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Thursday August 12, 2010, 11:00 am
Robert and Dandelion, thank you for wise comments, both of which speak your unique language but have a translation in common. It will not be easy to shed light in a way that help others see what is happening so that they can make informed, discriminating choices. The storm troopers are at the gate unlocked by manipulation of both duplicitous and well-intended compromise and behind them are the rabid wolves, the most greedy of the wealthy and powerful elite. The engame has arrived.

Dandelion, building on your compassion for those employed who would suffer if the retirement age were raised yet again, just two days ago I saw reliable data to the effect that the life expectancy of low-income people is 4 or 5 years less than that of the rest. To that I would add the millions who are or will become unemployed in their sixties, most of whom will need Social Security to survive.

Last, I will shortly be turning my attention to a series of Grand Canyon posts on Care2 and SEN that Suzanne is spearheading (these have some uplifting appeals that all of us on Care2 need in relief from mounting concerns and stressors), and then commencement of dismantling my home for packing and move to AZ in Sept or early Oct. So I won't be able to do much on Care2 re Social Security or Politics Govt, despite the cruciality incl Nov elections. I HOPE FREQUENT POSTERS ADEPT AT GAINING SUPPORT WILL UNDERTAKE AN ONGOING "NO CUTS TO SOCIAL SECURITY! TAKE ACTION!" CAMPAIGN NOW THRU DECEMEBER!
 

Audra R. (31)
Thursday August 12, 2010, 5:04 pm
Unbelievable and unfair!!! signed and noted!
 

Terrie Williams (759)
Friday August 13, 2010, 2:25 pm
Signed, noted and frwrd.
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Friday August 13, 2010, 3:46 pm
Kevin MIller,

Do you suppose that's laziness, or massive poisoning various "mind control" techniques like the Lilly Wave? If you're right and my generation and a little youngre are all who are left to get really angry, well... Hmmm - just saw a flash of future history: 'The Rest Home Rebellion," in which old farts with walkers, wheelchairs and canes take out an entire shift of D.C. police and a chunk of Congress before being wiped out by a Predator bombing run.

Home sweet home. Shit.

Ian
 

Patt Tashjian (50)
Friday August 13, 2010, 5:11 pm
Isn't it most ironic that the men and women that benefited the most from the bailouts and the TARProgram the most now want to break into the S.S.A.system of funds. They have no plans to make it stronger and better, but only to weaken it for those not as well off as they are. Stealing other peoples money is against the law!!
 

Kit H. (174)
Friday August 13, 2010, 5:50 pm
When is it a law passed to raise Retirement age? Who has the authority to decide and implement the raise on the retirement age?

From socialsecurity.org

Retirement age considerations

Full retirement age

For persons born during the years 1943-1954, the full retirement age is 66.
 

Debra Van Way (12)
Friday August 13, 2010, 6:30 pm
I don't imagine any representative who votes in favor of cutting Social Security benefits and/or raising the retirement age will have a future in government office except maybe as a dog catcher. I don't think they should even count on that.
 

Carole K. (199)
Friday August 13, 2010, 8:26 pm
Duly noted & signed with relish! The Republicans want us all to die before we retire so that all Social Security ever pays out is a $255. death benefit for all the contributions put in over a lifetime of working. The common working person is taken advantage of yet again if citizens of the US don't stand up for the government benefits provided by law to retirees. Remember & vote your senior status in the fall.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Friday August 13, 2010, 8:29 pm
That's the stuff Debra and Carole!
 

Kit H. (174)
Friday August 13, 2010, 8:58 pm
When my husband called this afternoon, the social security person said the law was passed earlier this year. We have never heard about this law.
 

Sue D. (156)
Saturday August 14, 2010, 4:20 am
Phil R. - "When Republican politicians and pundits complain about taxation they like to point out that it's "your money" going into the government. Well they're right...so why are they so opposed to paying that money back to you when the time comes?"
100% correct Phil!!!
And Linda G - I'd give you another green star, and on another post, but I can't :-( We all know that Social Security is not an 'entitlement' (welfare), but we also know that they DO want to destroy the middle and lower income. God forbid anyone who is not wealthy get any kind of benefits due them or assistance of ANY kind.
 

Gene Sengstake (69)
Saturday August 14, 2010, 5:44 am
Social security was one of the best ideas our government has ever had. If politicians had just kept their greedy little fingers out of it's coffers - it probably would have ranked as one of the most successful programs ever. So now - even if it is true that bad times may be looming on the horizon - leave it alone - as hindsight says that all you will succeed in doing is screwing it up more - - -
 

Glyn P. (58)
Saturday August 14, 2010, 7:59 am
MAYBE I'M BEING FOOLISH ---- BUT I THOUGHT OUR GOVERNMENT WAS FOR THE PEOPLE ---- IT CERTAINLY DOES GIVE ONE CAUSE TO PAUSE .>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I SIGNED >>>>> THANX GREGORY
 

Charles Webb (11)
Saturday August 14, 2010, 8:51 am
Noted
 

Robert S. (115)
Saturday August 14, 2010, 9:28 am
Todays note from me to O,
I hope you realize that raising the age at which I can get SS, is not for me an acceptable compromise. Much like some other of the so called bi partisan kisses given to those who we supposedly beat in the last election, this would destroy what little is left of that warm fuzzy feeling many of us who worked so hard got for the idea you would reject Bush. Too much compromise and accommodation tastes of betrayal. Trust me. I speak for many.
 

Jose Ovidio Perez Morel (44)
Saturday August 14, 2010, 5:02 pm
Noted and posted............
 

Robert S. (115)
Saturday August 14, 2010, 11:27 pm
I wouldn't be surprised if this has already been posted.
Social Security is under attack and we need to fight back against the lies.

Have you heard that Social Security is going bankrupt? Driving up the deficit? In crisis?

Well none of that is true. These are all myths that opponents of Social Security have been spreading to scare people into accepting benefit cuts this fall. But the myths are taking hold—so we have to fight back with the facts.

So we've put together a list of the top five myths about Social Security, along with the real story. Can you check out the list and then share it with your friends, family, and coworkers?

Share the list by going to http://pol.moveon.org/ssmyths?id=22234-5254208-IU5jhYx&t=1 If you're on Facebook, share it by clicking here. If you're on Twitter, tweet it here.
Top 5 Social Security Myths

Myth #1: Social Security is going broke.

Reality: There is no Social Security crisis. By 2023, Social Security will have a $4.6 trillion surplus (yes, trillion with a 'T'). It can pay out all scheduled benefits for the next quarter-century with no changes whatsoever.1 After 2037, it'll still be able to pay out 75% of scheduled benefits—and again, that's without any changes. The program started preparing for the Baby Boomers' retirement decades ago.2 Anyone who insists Social Security is broke probably wants to break it themselves.

Myth #2: We have to raise the retirement age because people are living longer.

Reality: This is a red-herring to trick you into agreeing to benefit cuts. Retirees are living about the same amount of time as they were in the 1930s. The reason average life expectancy is higher is mostly because many fewer people die as children than they did 70 years ago.3 What's more, what gains there have been are distributed very unevenly—since 1972, life expectancy increased by 6.5 years for workers in the top half of the income brackets, but by less than 2 years for those in the bottom half.4 But those intent on cutting Social Security love this argument because raising the retirement age is the same as an across-the-board benefit cut.

Myth #3: Benefit cuts are the only way to fix Social Security.

Reality: Social Security doesn't need to be fixed. But if we want to strengthen it, here's a better way: Make the rich pay their fair share. If the very rich paid taxes on all of their income, Social Security would be sustainable for decades to come.5 Right now, high earners only pay Social Security taxes on the first $106,000 of their income.6 But conservatives insist benefit cuts are the only way because they want to protect the super-rich from paying their fair share.

Myth #4: The Social Security Trust Fund has been raided and is full of IOUs

Reality: Not even close to true. The Social Security Trust Fund isn't full of IOUs, it's full of U.S. Treasury Bonds. And those bonds are backed by the full faith and credit of the United States.7 The reason Social Security holds only treasury bonds is the same reason many Americans do: The federal government has never missed a single interest payment on its debts. President Bush wanted to put Social Security funds in the stock market—which would have been disastrous—but luckily, he failed. So the trillions of dollars in the Social Security Trust Fund, which are separate from the regular budget, are as safe as can be.

Myth #5: Social Security adds to the deficit

Reality: It's not just wrong—it's impossible! By law, Social Security's funds are separate from the budget, and it must pay its own way. That means that Social Security can't add one penny to the deficit.8

Defeating these myths is the first step to stopping Social Security cuts. Can you share this list now?

Thanks for all you do.

–Nita, Duncan, Daniel, Kat, and the rest of the team

Sources:

1."To Deficit Hawks: We the People Know Best on Social Security," New Deal 2.0, June 14, 2010
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=89703&id=22234-5254208-IU5jhYx&t=4

2. "The Straight Facts on Social Security," Economic Opportunity Institute, September 2009
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=89704&id=22234-5254208-IU5jhYx&t=5

3. "Social Security and the Age of Retirement," Center for Economic and Policy Research, June 2010
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=89705&id=22234-5254208-IU5jhYx&t=6

4. "More on raising the retirement age," Washington Post, July 8, 2010
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=89706&id=22234-5254208-IU5jhYx&t=7

5. "Social Security is sustainable," Economic and Policy Institute, May 27, 2010
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=89707&id=22234-5254208-IU5jhYx&t=8

6. "Maximum wage contribution and the amount for a credit in 2010," Social Security Administration, April 23, 2010
http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/240

7. "Trust Fund FAQs," Social Security Administration, February 18, 2010
http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/ProgData/fundFAQ.html
8."To Deficit Hawks: We the People Know Best on Social Security," New Deal 2.0, June 14, 2010
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=89703&id=22234-5254208-IU5jhYx&t=9
 

Robert S. (115)
Saturday August 14, 2010, 11:48 pm
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/opinion/01stockman.html?_r=2&ref=contributors&pagewanted=all
 

Dany Strakova (119)
Sunday August 15, 2010, 10:08 am
noted it but didn`t signed because I don`t live in the USA. But I really hope everything works out!!
 

. (0)
Sunday August 15, 2010, 5:13 pm
If you don't think they will take SS from you your wrong they cut me $4.00 this year I ask them why they said because my insurance raised I told them I know that and I'm paying for it but that is what I was told. So I guess they can take it.
 

Kit H. (174)
Sunday August 15, 2010, 5:52 pm
IT MUST BE KNOWN THAT THE GOVERNMENT TRY TO REDISTRIBUTE WEALTH FROM THE ORDINARY

AMERICANS TO THE RICH, THE ELITES. WORKERS AND THEIR EMPLOYERS PAY EVERY WEEK, MONTH,

EVERY YEAR INTO THE FUND THAT THE GOVERNMENT ACTS AS A CUSTODIAN. IT IS COMPARABLE TO A

SAVING RETIREMENT ACCOUNT. IT IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG FOR THE GOVERNMENT CUTS TAX FOR THE

RICH AND THE BIG CORPORATIONS AND DIPS INTO THE SOCIAL SECURITY ACCOUNT FOR THE

REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH FROM THE MIDDLE CLASS AND THE POOR TO THE RICH.

NO REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH TO THE RICH FROM THE DISADVANTAGED, THE ORDINARY AMERICANS.

the government can pass a law making the rich pay the tax retroactively.
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Sunday August 15, 2010, 10:16 pm
"Isn't it most ironic that the men and women that benefited the most from the bailouts and the TARProgram the most now want to break into the S.S.A.system of funds. "

It's not "ironic," Patt - it's sheer GREED! And it shouldn't be tolerated. THey want EVERYTHING. All for them, NOTHING for us. I wonder how many times my idiot countryfolk are going to buy the "It's for your own good, and there's just no other money to pay for it" routine, delivered as they're walking off with the LAST several billion bucks. Washington has become a club of the wealthy who are aiming to become billionaires by selling the blood of their constituents.

Sir Robert, I'm afraid that this time I'm voting for ANYTHING but democrats or Republicans. That's a zero sum game and I'm tired of playing it.

Ian
 

Robert S. (115)
Monday August 16, 2010, 7:15 am
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/16/opinion/16krugman.html?src=me&ref=general
 

Charlene S. (126)
Monday August 16, 2010, 7:41 am
Noted and action taken, plus e-mailed to every single person in my address book outside Care2 with a note if there is more than one member in their household to have each one take action. Social security would be solvent if the congress and senate would repay all the IOU's they have put in there over the years so it is my suggestion that the funds be removed from the congress/senate's retirement funds and put back in our social security fund.
My message was threatening if they even considered cutting my benefits afer I contributed for 47 years. Just seeing the face of that Republican senator in the picture above, makes me want to give him a pie in the face. He is one of the big ramrods of this attempt. I reminded them they bailed out Wall street but we lost 50% of our IRA that we saved a $2,000 a year for most of our lives, we get no interest if we were able to save any during out lifetime and our supplemental coverage to Medicare had huge increases in premiums and our drug coverage, what a farce, raised their premiums and deductible and then there is the famous "doughnut hole". Americans must take our country back from all the crooks and thieves in Washington. I am tired of getting the "shaft".
 

Cathi Hartline (248)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 9:53 pm
Thank you so much Gregory, and all my dear friends who sent me the link too!
Blessings,
 

Seth E. (57)
Friday August 20, 2010, 9:34 am
Got to it a little late, but noted and signed just the same.

Thanks, Gregory!
 

Jill P. (70)
Friday August 20, 2010, 6:13 pm
AMEN Ian!
We need to show these dirt bags in congress we are willing to NOT vote for them or be forced to choose between the lesser fo two evils. 20 years ago I heard the idea of having a "None of the above"option on the ballot. If enough people voted for that they would have to come up with new candidates and let us vote again. This would force the greedy scum to do better and give us options.
No one runs against my idiot in my distrcit. Last election my family and I did a write in for my dog. If I had thought of it earlier I would have had enough votes for him to win. He is certainly smarter than my Rep (I don't mean to insult my dog with such a comparison). Certainly his priorities are straight. Food, family shelter take priority. (I know food comes first but I am not certain of the order of the last two.
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 4:00 am
It just happened again. I just typed a long, beautiful idea, and unlike my usual habit, I'm tired and hit "submit' and the damned screen froz. Then it blinked, the whole thing was gone, and there's not even a back button available.

Basics, then I have to crash:

Start a National Newspaper, with nationl-level distribution. Ask for breaks from suppliers, find type-setters, etc., who are all as sick of being lied to by a complicit, corporate MSM as we are. CHarge only enough to get the next paper out, and do all we can to make sure it gets handed around far and wide. Have lawyers who believe as we do ready to help, and make sure the public knows as soon as the goivernment tries to shut us down. Print things like the info on this thread, with backup. Every time they try to sell the public another line of fertilizer like this, this paper would print the truth, and make sure it's checkable.

It HAS TO BE a newpaper - something old Ward Cleaver can read at the breakfast table, or sitting on his La-Z-Boy after work. Something physical that can be spread all over kingdom come.How many good journalists, other workers do you suppose we could find to make this work? People who'd volunteer time, find sponsors, backers, whatever we needed. There are a LOT of Aamericans fed up with the bullshit who'd cut us a break on this, that and the other thing. And every time a piece of bullshit like this Social Security attack came up, there the truth would be, on a few million newspapers all over the country. How many people would help, do you think? What would it take? How would YOU feel about finding a newspaper that wasn't owned by Rupert Murdoch, that printed the truth, with footnotes and other evidence, every time the government tried to lie to the American public? And maybe it could carry a copy of the Constitution in every issue, or alternate with a copy of the declaration of Independence>

Close enough; that's the idea. COmments? I'm going to bed. Wish me luck. *sigh*

Ian
 

Robert S. (115)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 7:05 am
Ian, Hope you slept well. Try typing your stuff first on something like notepad +, then of course you can save it, edit later, or just copy and paste to here with less chance of heartache. Love the idea by the way. Takes alot of money to start a paper, but I like it. I think some blogs/sites are more or less doing that without the paper though.
 

Robert S. (115)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 7:21 am
Social Security turned 75 last week. It should have been a joyous occasion, a time to celebrate a program that has brought dignity and decency to the lives of older Americans.
Fred R. Conrad/The New York Times

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But the program is under attack, with some Democrats as well as nearly all Republicans joining the assault. Rumor has it that President Obama’s deficit commission may call for deep benefit cuts, in particular a sharp rise in the retirement age.

Social Security’s attackers claim that they’re concerned about the program’s financial future. But their math doesn’t add up, and their hostility isn’t really about dollars and cents. Instead, it’s about ideology and posturing. And underneath it all is ignorance of or indifference to the realities of life for many Americans.

About that math: Legally, Social Security has its own, dedicated funding, via the payroll tax (“FICA” on your pay statement). But it’s also part of the broader federal budget. This dual accounting means that there are two ways Social Security could face financial problems. First, that dedicated funding could prove inadequate, forcing the program either to cut benefits or to turn to Congress for aid. Second, Social Security costs could prove unsupportable for the federal budget as a whole.

But neither of these potential problems is a clear and present danger. Social Security has been running surpluses for the last quarter-century, banking those surpluses in a special account, the so-called trust fund. The program won’t have to turn to Congress for help or cut benefits until or unless the trust fund is exhausted, which the program’s actuaries don’t expect to happen until 2037 — and there’s a significant chance, according to their estimates, that that day will never come.

Meanwhile, an aging population will eventually (over the course of the next 20 years) cause the cost of paying Social Security benefits to rise from its current 4.8 percent of G.D.P. to about 6 percent of G.D.P. To give you some perspective, that’s a significantly smaller increase than the rise in defense spending since 2001, which Washington certainly didn’t consider a crisis, or even a reason to rethink some of the Bush tax cuts.

So where do claims of crisis come from? To a large extent they rely on bad-faith accounting. In particular, they rely on an exercise in three-card monte in which the surpluses Social Security has been running for a quarter-century don’t count — because hey, the program doesn’t have any independent existence; it’s just part of the general federal budget — while future Social Security deficits are unacceptable — because hey, the program has to stand on its own.

It would be easy to dismiss this bait-and-switch as obvious nonsense, except for one thing: many influential people — including Alan Simpson, co-chairman of the president’s deficit commission — are peddling this nonsense.

And having invented a crisis, what do Social Security’s attackers want to do? They don’t propose cutting benefits to current retirees; invariably the plan is, instead, to cut benefits many years in the future. So think about it this way: In order to avoid the possibility of future benefit cuts, we must cut future benefits. O.K.

What’s really going on here? Conservatives hate Social Security for ideological reasons: its success undermines their claim that government is always the problem, never the solution. But they receive crucial support from Washington insiders, for whom a declared willingness to cut Social Security has long served as a badge of fiscal seriousness, never mind the arithmetic.

And neither wing of the anti-Social-Security coalition seems to know or care about the hardship its favorite proposals would cause.

The currently fashionable idea of raising the retirement age even more than it will rise under existing law — it has already gone from 65 to 66, it’s scheduled to rise to 67, but now some are proposing that it go to 70 — is usually justified with assertions that life expectancy has risen, so people can easily work later into life. But that’s only true for affluent, white-collar workers — the people who need Social Security least.

I’m not just talking about the fact that it’s a lot easier to imagine working until you’re 70 if you have a comfortable office job than if you’re engaged in manual labor. America is becoming an increasingly unequal society — and the growing disparities extend to matters of life and death. Life expectancy at age 65 has risen a lot at the top of the income distribution, but much less for lower-income workers. And remember, the retirement age is already scheduled to rise under current law.

So let’s beat back this unnecessary, unfair and — let’s not mince words — cruel attack on working Americans. Big cuts in Social Security should not be on the table.

Krugman
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 9:11 am
Thanks Robert for putting this on. I had mentioned that very fact earlier on this thread about how for some workers, raising the level to 70 is hard to achieve when they work with a shovel all day or wait staff on their feet all day carrying heavy trays of food.

Another thing statistically is that more women depend solely on Social Security than men do, so again, lets attack the life givers of this Country. Many of those women had low income wages jobs, or stayed at home to care for the children.

This is a good fact check website:

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=531

Fact 4 is of particular interest:

Fact #4: For two-thirds of the elderly, Social Security provides the majority of their income. For one-third of the elderly, it provides nearly all of their income.

This last fact takes in both male and female........and we want to lower it or make it too high for others to ever receive. The Elites with their investments, comfy jobs, so on and so forth, of coarse want to again have those with the least pay for their GREEDY mistakes. They've gotten many wonderful breaks from this Country but they don't want to share a crumb of it with those on whose backs they stepped up on.

They are already preparing, behind their gated communities and Blackwater enlisted protectors to keep the masses at bay. Buying up water resources, land to grow their foods around the world, and will heavily guard those things. They would rather keep themselves isolated behind iron fences with heavy guards than allow a more balanced and harmonic world to exist.

I remember saying to friends, way back in the seventies, that by the time I'm an Elder they will be taking us out into the pastures and shooting us. Most would just laugh, thought I was speaking crazy, well now I don't think so many would actually laugh at that thought. Each step to deprive others the ability to live, obtain shelter, food, medications, is one more step to finally just saying, well your not useful to us anymore, so slowly suffer or step into this pasture and we'll take care of things right quick for you. It's a slippery slope here people, best keep your eye on the ball.
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 9:15 am
Should of clarified better.....they want to lower the amount of money, while at the same time raising the age level higher.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 9:20 am
Robert, I do hope people are reading your outstanding comments here and on other threads. I make it a point even when I'm swamped and am always glad I did.

Ian, ditto, I like your idea and wish I had a buck for every time I regretted not doing as Robert suggests, writing in Notepad or Word so my effort doesn't dissappear. And even if it's just not possible for a group of dedicated souls to bring the idea to fruition, it helps people understand the nature of the problem and the need to search good sources for info, online and elsewhere, like The Nation, a magazine. And you never know, maybe some bright young person reads your idea and years later gets a chunk of some billionaire's 50% or launches some "kick-ass" app for cell phones.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 9:28 am
Dandelion, your comments also are always enlightening, and if you ran for Pres you'd have my vote. I hope you'd make Jill your Social Security czar, she's doing a great job trying to protect it.
 

Robert S. (115)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 9:49 am
Your welcome Dande Lion, I thought of you when I read the article and wondered if Krugman perhaps reads your stuff. You both have pointed up something the Pols never knew or forgot. A life of hard work takes its toll and I resemble those remarks and am glad to see this reality given its turn in our discourse and mention by the precious few of those who have integrity and wisdom in our MSM.
 

Robert S. (115)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 10:42 am
http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/tedkennedy.htm
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 10:42 am
" I think some blogs/sites are more or less doing that without the paper though"

That's the problem- all they's have to do is sbotage the website or even shut down the Net and that would be the end of that project.Real paper isn't so easy to stop.

Ian
 

Robert S. (115)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 11:30 am
For better or for worse, the paper as we have known it seems to be almost extinct and once noble publications bought and used as propaganda tools. Paper is not immune. Whatever the medium...its the commitment to the integrity of true Journalism or not, that decides what shall be the mornings news. A paper can be started on a small scale and grow, like El Diario did or one can buy one back from the Aussy if he would sell. But the whole point for him seems to be to corner the info market. So he prob won't sell. Hell, he is still buying. He wants all the news to reflect a positive view of the right wing rape of our country and the world.

Thats why some hate Soros so much. He is one among some of the rich who might finance a start up who's goal is true balance or god forbid a left wing perspective. Therefor he is portrait as the devil. Booga booga.
 

Robert S. (115)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 12:24 pm
Watch this and see/hear what some other working class people think.

http://pol.moveon.org/ss_cuts/?id=22757-5254208-VY4Tofx&t=1
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 2:29 pm
Bob, funny thing aout the ultra-wealthy ain't it? Most aren't satisfied with a few billion, and the ones agreeing to leave half their wealth to charity (though not till after they are dead) are worshipped even though they are leaving billions to the next generation of their elite offspring. Yes I know there are exceptions, and it's better they leave 50% when dead than nothing ever, but still. The people I worship are those who have little or are themselves impoverished but manage to selflessly scrape together some acts of kindness or a couple bucks.
I must admit, I'd really like to see non-violent class warfare, culminating in permanent illegality of ultra-wealth worldwide. And there are days I wouldn't mind seeing some non-murderous violence to achieve it. I'd love to spit in Rupert Murdoch's face after giving him a good slap, maybe hold him hostage a month and make him eat nothing but beans and dog food. Maybe some dried-out bread with sugar on it once a week just so I could say I showed him the God's mercy he shows nobody.
 

Robert S. (115)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 5:42 pm
Inventing a widget or just having a knack for being able to sell it and accumulate wealth should not enable you to run the world as you see fit to the detriment of any unable to buy influence. When they changed the law so that a media outfit did not by law, have to give both sides of a given issue. The rich began to win the war of minds through fear more effectively delivered and relatively unchallenged. As fox points out, what they deliver gets ratings and the others notice and greed is a powerful motive and when NEWS has become little more than entertainment/propaganda, we have a real problem not seen outside of nations ruled by dictators, till the right got its way and even cut back public TV's funding because it did not tow the right wing line.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 5:57 pm
You got that right Bob. FCC became a tool of the wealthy corporate elite. Fairness Doctrine was abandonned. Murdoch was given a license. Here we are and it's getting worse. CNN is shifting. More hosts and commentators even on MSNBC are talking heads who don't press against spins and lies.

A few days ago I did some research. Virtually all of the anchors and hosts on all of the commercial TV outlets are making $1 million and up, incl the ones I like. At some point even a compassionate and aware talking head loses sight of what things are like for the bottom 80% of Americans. I myself was only half aware until I became one and started heading toward the low end.
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 6:11 pm
Dandelion, your comments also are always enlightening, and if you ran for Pres you'd have my vote. I hope you'd make Jill your Social Security czar, she's doing a great job trying to protect it.

Thanks Gregory......If I was President......I'd not hesitate in a moment to have Jill fill that spot and for the job to do a Universal Health Care program of some type. I KNOW she'd get it right!

Your welcome Dande Lion, I thought of you when I read the article and wondered if Krugman perhaps reads your stuff.

Robert, as I am just an unknown person in this world, who is in her humble way, doing the best I can, that perhaps I am one of the butterflies in the butterfly effect, then if Krugman had stumbled by chance across my writing, then we've added some more butterflies that are flapping their wings. However, if one person has an idea, there is always another who shares that same thought, he can just be more far reaching. I was delighted when I read what he said, and addressed that issue that few do speak upon, but is so very real to people who have toiled hard all their lives.

Love to both you men......and to Jill too if she happens to read this thread.
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 8:27 pm
Robert S. - I usually type it in MS Word; I was just dead tired and spaced it. Oh, and it's "TOE the line." :>)

"FCC became a tool of the wealthy corporate elite."
As has the FDA and every other regulatory agency. Corporations - and the "elites" who own and/or command them - have NO ethics, no compassion, nothing but greed and hubris. I think they really believe they're gods now, and to them, we're nothing but out-of-control domestic animals. And you see how domestic animals are treated.

Ian
 

Robert S. (115)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 10:02 pm
Thanks Ian, Funny. I envisioned as I wrote it boats pulling all the same way, forgetting totally the precise meaning of the expression but getting it sort of right in spirit.
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 5:29 am
It is understandable either way. It's just that I know it comes from the military. When you stand to muster, you "toe the line" - eberybody put your toes on the same line so you're standing shoulder to shoulder. Then it's "Right dress, RIGHT!" You put your right arm out parallel to the ground until you're touching the next man's shoulder so you're an arm's length apart. There you go: all nice and neat, fresh from the sardine can. :>) Just the way they like it. If they could run everybody through a press so the troops all looked exactly alike the military would be even happier.

Anyhow, it's just my nitpicky self when it comes to the language, and there's so MUCH incredible ignorance these days it gets on my nerves sometimes. About once a year I write a screed about it and feel better for fivr minutes, then usually manage to wait anbother year... Would it be entirely inappropriate if I posted one here, just for entertainment - a quick lightening of the mood for a moment? It's a thought. I'm thinking of one called "English As She is Mangled." Let me know if it's okay, and Robert, thanks for your good grace with this.

Ian
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 5:42 am
And please excuse the typing. It's an old keyboard I'm no longer used to and the keys stick sometimes.

Ian
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 7:29 am
"nitpicky self" I think fly-specking more aptly describes the activity.

"keys stick"

Oh sure fine... mechanical difficulties.

Me too; a loose nut behind the wheel.

As to appropriateness, i.e., should we continue on this tangent? I can only suggest that my willingness to indulge, does not answer your question but rather, shrugs at it with a smile.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 8:27 am
Ian and Robert, I love reading your comments, they are the kind that keep me from going nuts over the acquiescence of those who don't "get it" and help explain why the bottom 80% of this nation go as sheep to slaughter and sometimes bleat "slaughter me, wealthy elites, I still have a can of beans in the cupboard and if you don't slaughter me I might eat them and your trillions would be threatened", whether the subject is Social Security, tax cuts for the rich, huge bonuses to bank execs paid by taxpayers, the war in Afghanistan, dependence on oil, radiation poisoning of the Grand Canyon drainage basin from uranium mining, Fox news, Sarah Palin, privatization and corporatization and corruption of Homeland Security and and politics and government. Slaughter us please, before terrorists, big government, Muslims or taxes sheer us of our wool!

But here's the thing. This article has run its course, and there ain't nobody reading what we say except us. It would be selfish of me to egg you on here, even though I could use a good scree or rant or bloody-murder scream or diatribe against the rotten systemic slaughter of the many by the wealthy few.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 9:44 am
I just received this wonderful message from a friend I'll not name because she may not wish to be identified:
"
I am still reading this discussion Gregory! And I would like to see it continued. But I think it's gone a little too far afield, left tangent if you will. Can it get back on track in discussion of Social Security cuts & what to do about that? Can we find some new information that will arm we senior citizens not to fulfill the role of useless old sheep? I'm trying to stay informed here, so I'm not some wealthy guy's mutton. Misused analogy, as probably rich people only consume the best & youngest animals. I don't know what they would do with an old ewe like me. Anyway, Thanks! You guys have confirmed my already pre-conceived notions about the social security issue. Any final proposed action courses left unexamined? Just being alert; so that the ramp I see does not become a loading shutte in the blink of an eye. Keep on keeping on!"

I just checked for updated news and regret finding this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/saul-friedman/looks-like-obama-is-consi_b_690262.html

I hope people sign the petition and pass it on to friends!
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 9:46 am
"nobody reading what we say except us"

Looks like a green light to me Ian.
 

Charles Webb (11)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 11:00 am
I'll tell you one damn thing. Messing with old people will be their biggest mistake. We don't have jobs. We don't have a bunch of responsibilies, families to raise. We can take off any time and go to DC by the busloads. A million oldsters, many with wheelchairs, walkers, and canes in front of the capitol would be a hard thing to ignore. The press isn't going to ignore us either. They mess with our money, they will live to regret it, I can assure you.
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 12:10 pm
left tangent? Whatever. Good article, worth posting.

I will add that I have posted new info to fairly old seemly dormant topics and gotten response. Many run out of things to say, including myself sometimes... (as hard as that is to believe), yet still get, and read things written in said posts. Quiet is not necessarily death.


 

Dandelion G. (381)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 2:49 pm
Way to go Charles......our generation isn't dead yet!
 

Dalia H. (1274)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 2:54 pm
Noted, signed (twice), and Thank You so much my Beloved Gregory for posting and sharing with Us.
HAVE A VERY BLESSED SATURDAY EVERYBODY!
Much Love,
B.D♥
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 3:30 pm
Way to go Charles

Seconded.
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 3:38 pm
What the hell - it can always be removed:

English as She is Mangled
By Ian MacLeod


Anglophiles are notorious for mangling other languages, especially, for some reason, names. Lately though, Americans have evolved in their conspicuous inability to adapt by mangling even their own English language. The new talent, or more accurately, the new verbal pathology, seems to be most acute in newscasters and other professional speakers, though I have to say that bloggers have their own unique contributions to make.

My wife and I watch a local news show every morning – it’s the only local TV news there is here in this small farming area. In general we enjoy the program. For me, though, there’s an unfortunate tendency that I see - well, hear - happening that seems to be getting worse very quickly: careless use of the language, mispronunciation, and running words together to the point that my wife and I both have to think about it to figure out what the anchor actually meant to say. It isn’t limited to our little local station either. In these times of “framing” by major news networks in order to drive the current dangerous, fanatic “neocon” agenda (no, I don’t like George W. Bush, just to be really clear), I have to try to translate slanted statements anyway. When I’m half asleep and trying to listen to announcers who apparently speak English as a second language, It just makes it more difficult.

I suggested in a letter that the station might want to consider hiring a university English language professor as a coach. I pointed out that it would reflect well on their management and improve their programs (it helps when you can understand what the announcer is saying). Even if people don’t notice it consciously, they are bound to figure it out when their audiologist tells them they don’t need hearing aids after all. As it is, much too often (properly pronounced “OFF-en – the “t” is silent, dammit!) it sounds as though they occasionally hire high school dropouts or people with speech impediments even beyond the usual anglophile lingual provincialism. It took me almost a month to learn a new young lady’s name, for instance, because she spit it out so fast and run together that my wife and I couldn’t understand it. There should be some separation between words, or even syllables sometimes, don’t you think?

So - below are some fine spoken examples:

”SORE-ded” – sorted (or perhaps “sordid”)

”DAY-uhd” or ”dahd” - dead (Not spoken by a Southerner); one “modern”
tendency is to leave the mouth wide open for vowels, Valley Girl style.

”Pitch-er” – picture

“GOV-er-mint” – government (NOT a stomach settler)

”Shstring” – string (how do they get that extra “s” in there?)

“HAM-booger” - for hamburger (NOT an appetizing pronunciation)

”IN-uh-graded” - integrated

”STOH-wer” – store

”El-em-EN-uh-ree” or “el-eh-MEN-tree” – elementary

“ik-SPRESS-oh” – espresso

“R” - our

Ick-SPESH-uhl-lee” - especially

”CAL-vuh-ree” – cavalry

“”VET-rin” - veteran

”Fla-MING-go” – flamenco One will leave a mess on your windshield; the other is hard on floors.

”MAN-jer” – manager

“brang” - brought

”TEMP–uh–cher” for Temperature

”So-suh-CURE-dee” (run together quickly) - Social Security (That’s SIX syllables, not four). What really irks me is when the people in charge of it can’t pronounce it.

What’s REALLY scary is when the people in charge of our nuclear arsenal can’t pronounce IT either and say, “NEWK-you-ler”.

Presin-eye-STASE (run together quickly, sometimes missing the first “t” in “states as well) - President of the United States
TAIR-ist - Terrorist

Kuh-PILL-uh-rees - capillaries
(The speaker was not a Brit).

“i-NUN-day-ded” – inundated; the accent is on the FIRST syllable, “in”.

Long-Lived (short “i”) – long lived (The “i” is long, as in “life”. Ask an English professor).

WUH-kum” – welcome

Loke-uh-LERT – local alert

Dill-ers – dealers

“then” for than or vice versa



Usage Errors

“your” for “you’re” and vice versa; “yore” has nothing to do with either word!

“To, two and too” are not interchangeable!

“Their, thier, there, they’re” are not interchangeable, and there is no such word as “thier” or “thair”!


Spelling

”perpartradid” for perpetrated

“partison” for partisan

“enviromint” or “enviremint” or “inviremint” for environment

“supprise” or variations for surprise

”hassel” - hassle

And no one does anything “alot”. It’s “a lot”

“everyday” for every day – The first is synonymous with “mundane”; the second is more about scheduling or frequency of occurrence.


Mrs. Malaprop & Family:

One does not, for instance, have a “cross to bare”, (unless one is a flasher, a streaker, or a mooner with a tattoo of two lines at 90 degrees to each other in an anatomically strategic location); “grin and bare it” unless, again you’re talking about a happy flasher (it’s “Grin and bear it,” meaning tolerate it); nor does one “go bear” on the beach. One should not write that something is just “to” hard “too” do, and things cannot be done “everyday” because it’s “to frequent too”.

“Reigned down on” for “Rained down on”

“Reign in” or “rain in” (honest!) - rein in (Pull the horse’s reins in toward yourself and control the horse more tightly)

“Tow the line” for “Toe the line”

“one in the same” for “one and the same”

“honest sole” for “honest soul” (Though granted both generally get stepped on these days)

“spayded” for “spayed”

“Should/would/could of” for “should/would/could have”

“case and point” for “case in point”


English is NOT German (Usually written):

There’s a tendency to run words together until you get what you want; again, mostly a written problem:

“Iam” for I am

“alot” (again) for a lot

“everyday” (again) for “every day”

Pet Peeves:
Carry-OAK-ee - Karaoke - Pronounced Kar-OAK-ee; from “kara” (from the Japanese word for “empty,” same as in karate), and “oke” (orchestra). A carioca is a form of samba from the mid 1930’s, introduced in the first pairing of Rogers and Astair in “Flying Down to Rio”. I have to say that the popular mispronunciation of “karaoke” is especially crazy-making for me; I’ve been a martial artist all my life and know a bit about Japanese, and besides, no one says ”karry-AH-tee” instead of “karate” do they? Also, for a short time in Texas (my birth state), I participated a fair amount. (It gave me a good reason to spend a lot of time in bars drinking with pretty Southern gals, and to me, making sweet musical harmonies can be much like making love; sometimes even better!). There is no such thing as “Carry-OAK-ee”. It’s like “brang”, “skunned”, “spaded” for “spayed” and so on. It just sounds ignorant, and brings to mind a picture of someone giving a hillbilly a piggyback ride, like “spaded” makes me picture someone smacking a cat with a pointy-ended shovel (which is called a spade, by the way).
Now, I give credit where credit is due, and Mr. Bush has provided me with the first new oxymoron (how appropriate!) I’ve seen in a long time: “humanitarian bombing”.
Thomas Jefferson once wrote, "Information is the currency of democracy." In light of Mr. Jefferson’s observation then, I have to say that we are rapidly going lingually broke here, people, and it’s at least partly because we can’t understand each other!

Ian MacLeod
September 14. 2006
Updated September, 2007
Updated again March, 2008




 

Dandelion G. (381)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 4:10 pm
Ian you can thank our dumbed down school system for this. My children got caught into that and what a mess. We have a generation of students who were taught without phonics.....nice, eh? That's Canadian for hey......lol. My daughter, a bright child, wasn't reading, so I taught her the "old fashioned way" as the schools were calling it. My son, insisted that the teachers knew what was best so wouldn't cooperate with me, until he was 10 years old and still could barely read and not speaking very clear either. Not wanting to feel stupid, as he was now recognizing that, he got with my program and we had him up to speed right quick.

Now one might ask, how could a child reach age 10 and not be able to read very well. I will tell you, they did not send homework home, no book reports, and all they cared about was that come your Junior year you'd be taking a test to graduate from High School, the school will worry about it then.

Do you think I was living in the middle of nowhere? No, I was living only 35 miles north of Boston. Thank goodness we also moved to Florida, about the same time my son wanted to learn another way. Everyone was telling me, don't move there, the educational system is horrible. Guess what, they backed me up 100% and also taught my son with phonics.....it was the best move we made, he got a better education in Florida.

I was the generation they taught "new math" to. I never understood what the heck they were trying to do and I struggled for years and years with math. I hate to think how many hours I cried and thought how stupid I was until I got a College Professor who spoke to me and asked me some questions. When he found out I had my beginnings with "new math" and they just pushed me along as well, he began the process of teaching me the so called "old fashioned" way. It was like a lightbulb came on, and suddenly "I got it!" All those years, so when my son finally started to learn how to read after his stuggles, he too had his "I got it" moment and I knew exactly how he was feeling. I'm so tired of this educational system using us as their experiment.

I do not know if that is the full reason Ian, but I'm sure it has a bit to do with it.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 5:06 pm
Ian, I'm going to take a brake from seriousness to say I am ROTFFLMAO and am reminded of my pet peeve newspeak word: "incentivize" in lieu of "incent". To paraphrase pertinent examples I've heard or read, from people whose words drool of trickledown economics (to which I say "No thank you, I prefer to sit ON the throne, not beneath yours."):
-- "We must reduce taxes on corporations and upper-income citizens to incentivize them to invest in job creation."
--"Unemployment compensation incentivizes its recipients to refuse the many unfilled jobs available to them."
--"Privatization of Social Security would incentivize self-reliance and revive our ailing financial industry."
--"Raising the Social Security retirement age will incentivize the young and middle-agers to resist dependence on big government."
--"Reducing Social Security benefits will allow us to incentivize confidence in America among foreign investors."

 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 5:55 pm
Dandelion - I too was a victim of "New Math." Plus my dad, trying to "help" me with homework, made me sit for almost ten hours to do math homework that HE didn't get either. I was doing more advanced math and coming up with the answers but couldn't tell them how I knew - I just knew. Between Dad and the schools I ended up with a math block, thank you very much. Hell, I'd asked to be taught to read when I was three, but Mom had read Dr. Spock who said not to teach kids beyond their peer groups. I ended up teaching myself.

Gregory - the upshot of all that is, "Take everything away from people and put it in the pockets of the wealthy, then tell the folks you just robbed, "It's Root, hog or die, sucker!" That's all any of it amounts to. And I like your throne metaphor! Sorry, but when someone wants to piss in my punchbowl and insists that HIS urine will be good for me I tend to get suspicious... What they're talking about is leaving nothing but minimum wage (NOT a living wage) work and force people to take that and die slowly instead of quickly. Clinton forced women just weeks away from a degree to go back to work sweeping floors and then bragged that he had gotten SO many families off of welfare! THAT pissed me off so badly I wrote a nastygram and sent it to the White House that was so coldly angry I'm surprised I haven't had Secret Service at my door. That kind of lying, cheating "help" is obscene.

Ian
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 6:09 pm
And tow/toe was actually one of your pet peeves. Who"d a thunk. I think if people were more conscious of language it would affect the effect sloppy usage has on communication.

I enjoyed reading it Ian. Here is something that also made me smile today and is my pleasure to share.

http://www.colbertnation.com/full-episodes/tue-august-17-2010-barry-levine

Sounds like all Bush above Gregory. Is it?
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 6:23 pm
Something you folks might get a kick out of is a rebuttal with footnotes I sent to the VA. The Director of my nearest VA hospital wrote a reply to my brother that was so full of BS, outright likes and such I HAD to tell my brother what he was doing AND tell him that I saw through it. See what you think. I changed the names to protect, well, the guilty. I called MY doc "Dr. Ghudgai," and the jerk who almost killed me and caused my wife's death much sooner than it had to happen "Dr. Legree." I wrote this back when she was still alive and the VA was forcing me out and almost caused us to choose suicide. Oh - I named the Director of the VA "Dr. Tuchus," a play on his actual name:
http://www.painreliefnetwork.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=626

Ian
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 6:48 pm
Articulate and eloquent are you Ian, and from knowledge, clearly, are your arguments made in that which I read, so far...
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 7:01 pm
I'm with you on the New Math or should say I remember it with no fondness. I was thankful to have the SRA readers to make me feel better.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 7:08 pm
Love your stuff Ian and Robert, reminds me of Mel Brooks in Life of Brian, "It's good to be king!"
All Bush? Funny thing about the fraud mantra of the wealthy elite and Repubs. They all say the same thing: "Please be gullible enough to help me impoverish you further."
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 7:32 pm
Thanks Ian, sorry you, and Robert as well, got caught in that "new math". I'm finding more and more of us admitting to that, so many of us, suffered on that one. I did mean to say on my children got caught in the "whole language" way of reading, same disaster as the math. We got the math, our kids got the reading. In any case, Gregory, on top of things as usual. Guess we are entertaining you now......but this has been a great thread.
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 7:53 pm
I've enjoyed it myself, and the wit and camaraderie of intelligent people! Obviously we each had the native intelligence to come through the attacks on our developing intellects intact regardless, though I have to wonder what my IQ would have been had I NOT been a "Crest Kid" and been experimented on with the fluoride toothpastes and fluoride in the water and exposed to the garbage in everything on various military bases and in various vaccinations. I tested out at 163 last time, whatever that means, a 74 on the military's GCT that averages 50, 60 is VERY high, and over 70 almost unheard-of. Still, I was often jusdged to be "below average in intelligence" by the school system until they actaually ran tests, and then I was called "lazy."

If you do read that piece I wrote in reply to the idiot in charge of the local VA hospital, let me know what you think. I've even had one doctor ask permission to include it in some medical journal or other! Never got an answer back from the VA though. I'd bet money it's not in my records...

Well, take care, my friends. Somehow (I think I'm making up for three years of little to no sleep) I managed to sleep 13 hours - after getting to sleep about 5:30 this morning, and I had taken my meds a couple of hours before that, so I was over 15 hours out from my last dose, and they're supposed to be 8 hours apart. That means they'd worn off, all of them. Another half hour to get to the bathroom using the cane, holding onto walls and furniture and trying to avoid stepping on anxious cats who were trying to tell me they were starving. Been an interesting day so far, but I think I'll send it back and get another one. Still feel like I've been beaten with a baseball bat (had that happen once; I know what it feels like). Can't believe I slept that long! Usually two hours at a shot is doing well. Think I'll go try for some more.

Ian
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 8:00 pm
Yes, you've all informed, enlightened, inspired, staved off a full-blown rabid rant, and now even entertained, I'd call that "an unprecedented tour de force on a single thread by a dynamic Care2 trio", and I thank you!
 

Suzanne S. (765)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 8:31 pm
... and I've enjoyed reading all of your comments :)
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 11:57 pm
Friends, finest kind! :>)

'Night!

Ian
 

Robert S. (115)
Monday August 23, 2010, 7:22 am
I thought of one that I hear all the time...
Pundant for pundit. It seems, the pundits can't say this. The why of that is a mystery, yet I hear it over and over again. Palin is a prime mangler (she must eat Crest by the case) and got me listening to how others say it. She is far from alone. They all seem to follow each other over the cliff...in more ways than one.

Peace out, at least for now...
 

Robert S. (115)
Tuesday August 24, 2010, 2:44 pm
Speaking of math...

http://www.capwiz.com/peaceactionwest/issues/alert/?alertid=16120206&type=CO
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Tuesday August 24, 2010, 3:24 pm
Bob, thank you, I went to the url in your last commeent above and signed the letter to be sent to my Congressman, and urge anyone still reading this thread who wants to protect Social Security to do the same.

Below's something that came to me today from the Center for Media and Democracy. We need to "tip" them to pay attention to the campaign to cut Social Security.

"This week I signed a letter asking the White House Correspondents Association to strip Fox News of its privileged front row seat in the White House briefing room following the $1,000,000 donation by its parent corporation to a partisan political organization. Fox News continues to use its muscle to help spread misinformation and advance the extreme agenda of its owner, News Corp., the corporation of right-wing billionaire Rupert Murdoch, the 132nd richest man on the planet according to Forbes.

I'm proud you and I are standing up, with allies at Media Matters for America and Public Campaign, to this latest development. We do need your help to have the research staff to monitor new corporate partisan spending and spin this fall.

Fox News has been in my sights since before I joined the Center a year ago. I'll never forget the day I was working as chief nominations counsel in the U.S. Senate when we learned that the Republican leader's office had sent word to Senators to stop all Senate business so that Fox News could lead its evening news with live video footage of Republicans marching onto the Senate floor to protest delays in confirming their extremist judicial nominees.

As I have documented on the Center's SourceWatch site, in November 2003, Senator Frist's lead nominations advisor, Manny Miranda, wrote "FOX News channel is really excited about this marathon. Brit Hume at 6 would love to open with all of our 51 Senators walking onto the floor. The producer wants to know we will walk in exactly at 6:02 when the show starts so they can get it live to open Brit Hume's show." So disgusted were some of the recipients of that email suggesting that the U.S. Senate schedule the public's business according to the partisan agenda of Fox News and the Republican leadership that they sent the email to the other side of the aisle. (And Manny was later forced to resign in disgrace, not for helping to coordinate these tactics but in the face of revelations that he had secretly accessed hundreds of my files and the files of my colleagues as part of his efforts to help the Bush White House win Senate confirmation of right-wing ideologues like John Roberts who is now Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, but that's a story for another day.)

Even though I routinely saw Fox's coverage of the nominations issue echo and reinforce partisan talking points, I too was shocked to see evidence of the extent of the coordination with partisan politicians in Manny's e-mail. Fox has grown even worse since then, and now we are seeing even more direct evidence of the true partisanship at Fox.

The decision of a news corporation to put not just its opinions but literally its profits into a partisan political and electoral agenda is just too much to bear. And, we should not stand silently in its face.

I know there's a long, checkered past of robber barons using the papers they own to push their agenda and even push the country into war. But, we've had numerous legal reforms over the past 100 years to try to limit corporate corruption of the political process, and the field of journalism has developed ethical standards that are supposed to mean something. Unfortunately, corporations have grown more powerful in the news world and elsewhere, and the partisan domination of the Supreme Court for the past three-plus decades has led to expanded corporate influence on our government, in matters of war and peace and everything else.

We saw it in the health care debate, despite the desires of many Americans and the efforts of the Center's own Wendell Potter who helped secure some important improvements. And, we saw it in the Wall Street reforms, with the Center's Mary Bottari fighting and winning some key changes despite the lobbying of the Banksters. And, we are seeing it in the BP dispersants, Marcellus Shale drilling, toxic sludge, and other issues we've been covering on PRWatch and SourceWatch.

I've also been speaking to people across the country about the effects of the U.S. Supreme Court's recent decision in Citizens United, and what we can do together to respond to this assault on our democracy. We are already seeing increased money being spent by companies, like Target and Best Buy, to directly influence who is elected as a result of the Supreme Court's claim that the American people cannot limit corporations from using their profits to distort our elections. But, like you and Abraham Lincoln, I believe in "government of the people, by the people, for the people." Not the best government corporate profits can buy. Nor the "best" government one of the richest men in the world can procure with his "News Corp."

To fight the Supreme Court's decision, to monitor the corporations that are increasingly attempting to use their great wealth to distort our public policy, to stand up to Fox News and its billionaire boss, we really need your help. If you'd like to send us a tip about partisan corporate activity in your city or have the Center to speak about these issues in your community, please send an e-mail to tipline@sourcewatch.org.

Thank you for helping to make all these efforts possible!
Sincerely,
Lisa Graves, Executive Director of the Center for Media and Democracy"

Ian, I commented on your Sharebook, proud to call you friend. And Dandelion, thanks for the comic relief roasting the Exxon Valdez ship captain, which of coruse conveys a serious message.

 

Charles Webb (11)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 12:43 am
Gregory. Tell me how Fox has lied. Please name off the lies.
 

Sue D. (156)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 2:29 am
I have enjoyed the comments here. Ian, loved your "English as She is Mangled" contribution! Robert, you are always a 'good read' with some great links too.I also went to the link in your last comment and signed the letter. Gregory, a great inspiration and solid information, as always. Thank you all and Dandelion too!
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 8:30 am
Charles, I am truly overwhelmed right now because I am packing "pods" to leave my home in CT and then move to AZ, and there are many other demands on my time. So I can't take two hours to give you a list of Fox News lies and distortions. And if you are a fan of Fox News it is highly unlikely you will see it differently no matter how many instances of lies and distortions and so forth that I list.
Here's a link to one (scroll down to the Fox News portion): http://sen4earth.org/articles/demand-govt-action/boycott-corps/
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Below I've pasted an email I received today telling of a few others:

Dear Gregory,

A year ago, Glenn Beck called the President a racist who had a deep-seeded hatred for White people.1 In just over a week, he says he will "reclaim"2 the legacy of the civil rights movement by holding his "Restoring Honor" rally at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, DC — on the same day and place as Dr. King's "I Have a Dream" speech.

You can get mad at Beck. You can protest and try to prevent him from stepping on Dr. King's honor for one day. The reality is that the next day — and five days-a-week from there on out — Beck will be back on Fox News, speaking to millions and spreading hate, lies, and fear, as he does every week.

The real problem is Fox News. Fox News gives Beck his platform, and Fox promotes his events — all despite Beck losing virtually all of his major advertisers in the last year.

Fox's rhetoric is not just divisive; it's dangerous. Last month, a heavily armed man got into a gun fight with police after he was pulled over on his way to kill people at the Tides Foundation4 — a non-profit that was little known until Glenn Beck repeatedly demonized it, claiming it to be the center of a great conspiracy. Last year, Kansas doctor George Tiller was gunned down while at church after Bill O'Reilly called him a Nazi, a "baby killer," and warned of "Judgment Day."
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Fox News and the Koch brothers fomented the Tea Party with gross deceptions, duping millions into supporting an agenda serving their Libertarian political agenda and to increase their corporate wealth. Here's an article I posted last night about the Koch brothers, and bear in mind the expose was done by the New Yorker, a magazine that serves the wealthy elite that could hardly be called a magazine with a liberal bias:

http://www.care2.com/news/member/606472831/2079884

 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 8:33 am
Robert, Ian, Dandelion, anyone else still tracking this thread, sure could use your note and comments (heck, copy and paste of some above would apply well) on this late-breaking story re the Koch brothers:

http://www.care2.com/news/member/606472831/2079884
 

Jill P. (70)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 1:18 pm
Noted it Gregory.
Thank you for the nomination several comments ago. Dandelion, if elected, i would much prefer the appointment as Department of Interior Secretary. I have a strong biology background and ecology. That Department needs a lot of clean up and much more money (no more budget cuts) as well.
I would have loved dealing with BP and refusing more offshore drilling leases,, even with Obama's insistance. That would be fun. Telling BP and Obama "No!" HA HA!
I find I have to do this often but... I'm sorry. I am good at math. but I used my "powers" for good. I tutored students in math and science at the community college in Miami. I saw their lightbulbs go off as well. Many were labeled as "learning disabled" but they just were not taught properly. I had one student ask me "Now why can't my professor explain it that way?"
I don't know.
I saw one student go from 4 consecutive Fs in Algebra to an A on her fifth and last chance to pass. I did nothing special. She was not "learning disabled". She was smart. All she needed was someone to actually explain it. Her professors just sucked. They don't know how to teach or don't care.
That is all most students need...someone to just ecplain it to them. Instead teachers rely heavily on very poor text books and tell students to read the chapters and answer the questions at the end.
Then what is the teacher for? We could all stay home and just read the text books and answer the questions. I used to tell my students to ask questions and bug them after class. Make them work for that paycheck.
I have tutored students here in Cairo, GA. The schools here are...nightmare does not begin to describe it.
They make 5 year olds take an entrance exam to enter Kindergarten! What the hell????
It makesw them feel like they have high standards but once in, the schooling is awfull. Most people here are either iliterate or read at about a third grade level. Those are high school graduates. They make out college graduates as evil people. The high school drop out rate is over 50%. I have yet to meet a child who is NOT on ADD medication.
 

Jill P. (70)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 1:20 pm
Dandelion, if you did make me President I would not only enact Medicare for All, end corporate lobbying, but I would also push Congress to pass a "Wild Law" that recognise that other members of the Earth community have rights (right to life, food, water, shelter and safety), and secondly, restrain humans from unjustifiably infringing those rights . Other countries are doing it.
How is that for a platform?
Oh, I would also put an end to the open bar in congress. Having a bunch of hardly working drunks making laws that affect milions of peoples' lives put us where we are today.
I would bring in "riff raff" in Washington and we could all party at Martha's Vineyard. Drive the rich nuts.
 

Suzanne S. (765)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 5:22 pm
You'd get my vote Jill !! :)
 

Robert S. (115)
Friday August 27, 2010, 1:01 pm
Social Security has worked for 75 years and does not contribute one penny to the national debt. It has no business being part of the White House debt commission's deliberations.

Yet debt commission co-chair Alan Simpson has used his position to repeat lie after lie about Social Security, clearly signaling his intention to support unnecessary benefit cuts that would undermine our nation's retirement security.

Alan Simpson called Social Security "a milk cow with 310 million tits" in an email Monday to Ashley Carson, executive director of the Older Women's League. But these insulting comments are just the latest example of a long career spouting misinformation about Social Security. He has no place co-chairing the White House debt commission.


http://action.ourfuture.org/action/sacksimpson
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Friday August 27, 2010, 1:16 pm
Thank you Robert for bringing the Simpson outrage over to this thread for benefit of anyone searching Social Security on Care2 and finding this article, comments and links.
 

Robert S. (115)
Friday August 27, 2010, 1:22 pm
And another,
http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/fire_simpson/?r=5995&id=10726-211873-LBJWgLx
 

Robert S. (115)
Friday August 27, 2010, 1:24 pm
and more,
Can you call the White House and tell them that Sen. Simpson needs to be removed from the deficit commission?

The White House—(202) 456-1111
http://pol.moveon.org/call?cp_id=1443&tg=652&id=22899-5254208-boBM47x&t=1
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Friday August 27, 2010, 2:01 pm
Sorry, Gregory, am behind on everything on here. Came down with a whopper of a case of bronchitis and have been laying in my recliner just trying to breathe, let alone comment. My brain still is in stupidville, so just came on to read the comments, afraid I dare not comment back on anything for fear of not sounding intelligent right now. Good luck on the POD's and moving, having just done it myself I know the work and grateful for your continued contribution on here.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Friday August 27, 2010, 5:36 pm
Dandelion, you just rest up and get well, we all need you for the long haul. And speaking of long haul, it was way back in January you took the trouble to give me some very helpful advice re the matter of short sales etc, which helped get me oriented in the right direction. As you know, it all takes months, the process is crazy-making, still uncertain if I head to AZ right after Labor Day or a few weeks later, feel like I've been talking about this "upcoming" move forever!
 

Robert S. (115)
Saturday August 28, 2010, 10:18 am
"I can't take two hours to give you a list of Fox News lies and distortions. And if you are a fan of Fox News it is highly unlikely you will see it differently no matter how many instances of lies and distortions and so forth that I list."

This below would be more funny if not for the reality of Fox's influence on those with limited cognitive ability and those people's right to vote.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35eRxxZ-Ar0&feature=player_embedded#!

http://www.cracked.com/funny-192-fox-news/

 

Charles Webb (11)
Saturday August 28, 2010, 3:14 pm
Yeah, right. I knew you couldn't come up with any of what you call Fox News lies. But check this out:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Obama-Democrats-got-88-percent-of-TV-network-employee-campaign-contributions-101668063.html
And what is disturbing is Chris Mathews who said it was his job to see that Obama was successful! Huh? I thought it was his job to present the facts. Did MSM report on Rev Wright? or Bill Ayers? Or any of Obama's associations with criminals? How about the fact that Obama has never released his college or medical records, or his official birth certificate. Of course the latter, even Fox isn't going into. I am guessing that what you call "lies" are points you disagree with, not really lies.
 

Robert S. (115)
Saturday August 28, 2010, 4:06 pm
official birth certificate

Thanks for making it perfectly clear who we are talking to.

As far as lies...all you have to do is Google Fox lies. No one should have to do that for you. Just like thinking. You will have to do it yourself.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Saturday August 28, 2010, 8:05 pm
Charles, what disgusts me about what you've done is that you asked a question I troubled to answer. You come back without having had the decency to read it, and THEN you have the gall to reveal that you are a dyed-in-the-wool Obama-hating FoxNews-dupe of the same Koch brothers and Rupert murdoch THOUGHTFUL people are troubling to learn about and discuss at http://www.care2.com/news/member/606472831/2079884

Do not ever again waste my time. If you have a mind it is cemented shut with the lies you obviously WANT to believe. Thats what frosts me most, people like you DEVOUR all that hate-Obama crap because it's easy and it feeds all your resentments. It's all you know and all you want to know and you don't have a twit of information or facts to contribute on the subject of Social Security so you roam around looking for excuses to spit the Obama hate the Fox News con-artists feed you. Go spit somewhere else, the topic here is Social Security and the masters pulling your strings who want it gutted and privatized so they can make fortunes with our money the same way the banking cartel and their Fed did with our Treasury.
 

Charles Webb (11)
Saturday August 28, 2010, 9:14 pm
Oh, give me a break. If it wasn't for Fox news we would know nothing about this man who is running this country. All the mainstream media media reported was fluff. We wouldn't know abuot his ties to communists like Frank Marshall Davis. and radicals like Farikan. We know nothing about this man. We don't know his name (Barry Soeteros?), where he was born, what kind of grades he got in college--even if he WENT to college, How his health is, or anything. You were the one to bring up Fox News. You were the one to go off topic. Then you go ballistic when someone dissagrees with you. Typical liberall response.

The truth is that SS is dependent on people working. The unimployment was lowest when Bush was in office until the midterm. Dems took over congress, and unimployment went up. Now that Barak is in, it is soaring and there is no end in sight. Bush came up with plans to help people take control of their own retirement, but Dems want people dependent on the gov't tit.
 

Sue D. (156)
Sunday August 29, 2010, 1:28 am
Charles - Is there ANYTHING or ANYONE that you DON'T hate? OH, I mean other than Right Wing Propaganda, and those that spout it? You should be ashamed of yourself listening to and blindly spouting garbage that proves just how UN-informed you are. IF you honestly 'checked' anything that is said on EITHER side, you would at least have some kind of 'intelligent' defense for your statements. When you are given a source to look ANYTHING up, you don't even bother, and it SHOWS. You are not blind, you are simply a talking head who doesn't WANT to SEE - if you're not being paid for making a fool of yourself, you should be. You have ZERO credibility here - move on to a site that WANTS to listen to only Republicans, Big Oil, Tea Party, and the Corporate Wealthy propaganda, you give them the only kind of audience that will. I know from another post of yours just how much you admire and support the extremely wealthy - you must have a Rich Uncle that you're the sole heir of and count on him to die soon, because that's the only way you will EVER enjoy the privilege of wealth. (Unless you ARE one of them, then your comments make perfect sense.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Sunday August 29, 2010, 3:47 pm
Charles, I try to give others the same wide berth I want for myself, and you have now taken yours TWICE to express the Obama hate Fox News feeds you. But consider this a WARNING: You are harassing OFF TOPIC on this post in violation of Care2 rules of conduct. This post urges people to sign a petition to protect Social Security against cuts. Take your Obama-hate elsewhere, to any post having Obama as the topic. I will not warn you again.
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Sunday August 29, 2010, 4:32 pm
I just happened upon this news story off of Care2, but my mind went bingo. I had mentioned about jobs that are hard jobs to do, and that raising the Social Security for many workers is difficult at best, a death sentence for others. Notice this man was 70 years of age. This is what they would like for all of us, this shouldn't even been for this man, but as he had been locked out of pension plans he was forced to stay on the job. The new increase to 70, if it should pass, would put many more workers into this unfortunate workers situation. Shame on those who vote for the raising the benefits to age 70.

Fatality Rate: 25.2 per 100,000

Median Wages: $32,070

Martin Luther King was assassinated in Memphis Tenn., when he came to support black sanitation workers who were striking against unequal treatment.

Ironically, 40 years later, that conflict continues to have an impact on the health and safety of Memphis sanitation workers.

According to Warren Cole, the president of the union local, black workers were frozen out of the city pension plan years ago, leaving them only social security. Many have had to keep working at this demanding job much longer because they can't afford to retire.

"We lost one of our workers last week," said Cole. "Emmite Johnson had finished running his route. Memphis has been averaging about 100 degrees with high humidity, and he fell waiting for a bus. He was 70 years old."

Summer may be tough on sanitation workers, but they also endure hazardous wastes all year long. Cole said a new peril is from portable meth labs, which are set up in vans or automobiles.

Explosive bi-products are discarded in garbage bins or alongside roads, a lethal danger to sanitation workers.

There's also the heavy equipment, like compactors, that can grab and crush workers if they're not careful.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Sunday August 29, 2010, 5:50 pm
Dandelion thank you for bringing this thread back to relevance to the topic, and with factual information and compassion. Since you first raised this aspect of this issue I've seen several factual data sets showing that the life expectancy of those most dependent on social security -- ie lower income -- have significantly poorer health in their sixties and lower life expectancy by several years.
 

Robert S. (115)
Monday August 30, 2010, 4:48 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/28/deficit-hawk-survey-false_n_662001.html
 

Sue D. (156)
Tuesday August 31, 2010, 1:34 am
Robert, another good link. There just may be a light at the end of the tunnel (if only a dim one) since the survey was relatively small. Seeing that it was conducted during the earlier 'Town Hall' events that so many TPers attended across the US, it does make me wonder.

When the FINAL results say "No option to reduce benefits received support from a majority of participants," it tells me that even TP people don't really want Social Security benefits decreased, privatized, or moved to age 69 to start collecting.
So.... why don't they "see" who is pushing the destroy Social Security agenda? Got me, maybe they will begin to pay more attention, but they DO need to help stop the agenda to attack it. As the article said, "the survey of 3,500 people show a decidedly progressive populace. Sixty percent supported raising the cap to tax more income. Currently, income above roughly $100,000 avoids paying Social Security taxes. A full 85 percent wanted cuts to defense spending. A majority supporting raising taxes on the wealthy and a carbon tax and 50 percent backed a tax on financial transactions."

Will the Deficit Commission accept the voice of the people, or just the voice of the ultra wealthy who will never need Social Security, and the Republicans that support them?
 

Jill P. (70)
Tuesday August 31, 2010, 6:28 pm
Robert, watch what Dean Baker, economist and co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research says about Alan Simpson.

"Well, a commission is very, very worrisome. It’s chaired, you know President Obama picked Alan Simpson, former senator from Wyoming, who’s made a career out of beating up on old people—he thinks it’s cute. I don’t know if he’s delusional or what, but he talks about how old people drive into their gated communities in their Lexuses. Maybe his friends do. "
I love how he tells it like it is.
He goes on to say...
"Well, it’s really absurd on the face of it. I mean, the program has a separate stream of financing. We all pay a Social Security tax when we work, 6.2 percent of our wages, and employers contribute 6.2 percent on behalf of workers. And that actually has been running a surplus. We’ve been paying more into the program than benefits have been paid out. This was a design that was put in place by the '83 Greenspan Commission. They raised taxes. They also raised the retirement age. It is going up to sixty-seven, now sixty-six. And the result of that is that there's been this huge surplus run, over two-and-a-half trillion, over the last roughly twenty-five years. And the program is supposed to continue to run a surplus for a bit more than a decade, at which point we’re supposed start drawing down on the money in the trust fund, the money that we’ve accumulated. So this idea that somehow we can’t afford this, we’ve actually been paying more than was need for benefits, and according to the Congressional Budget Office, the program, as it currently stands, could pay all scheduled benefits through the year 2039 with no changes whatsoever.


Now, when you go further out—2049, '59, ’69—at some point you are going to be facing shortfalls. The main issue there is people are living longer. And at some point, you're either going to have to increase what you pay in, some source of revenue—you could raise the cap, there’s different ways you could do that—or some cut in benefits or raise the retirement age. But this is well into the future. So the idea that, you know, five years, ten years, fifteen years out, that we’re facing some crisis, that’s just simply not true. And everyone who’s familiar with the situation knows that.

You can see the interview at Democracy Now. Very interesting.
Social Security Under Attack: Cuts Proposed, Higher Retirement Age Suggested
and
Part II: Social Security Under Attack: Cuts Proposed, Higher Retirement Age Suggested
From July 19, 2010
Worth watching!
Watch and learn. I am sick of the government..BOTH Parties...using seniors and the disabled as scapegoats. That covers everyone but the top 5% rich folks. We are ALL going to need social Security to be there for us someday.
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Tuesday August 31, 2010, 8:43 pm
You'll have to copy & paste this link. But there is a petition on Care2 which only has 250 signatures as of this writing. It is titled Stand Up For Our Seniors.....to prevent the dismantling of the Social Security program. Fit in with this thread. Please check it out and sign.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/614/079/498/
 

Robert S. (115)
Saturday September 4, 2010, 1:43 pm
the 75-year projection of Social Security's finances shows that under fairly pessimistic assumptions about economic growth, the shortfall in Social Security's finances is just over half of one percent of GDP. Lift the cap on earnings subject to Social Security taxes, and the problem disappears.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-kuttner/simpsons-tits-are-the-lea_b_698383.html?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=083010&utm_medium=email&utm_content=FeatureTitle
 

Robert S. (115)
Saturday September 11, 2010, 1:22 pm
http://act.boldprogressives.org/cms/survey/ssletter_main/?rd=1&source=e2&t=1&referring_akid=2047.214238.jtvKLE
 

Kathy Javens (104)
Sunday September 26, 2010, 10:07 am
Noted. Thank you. How can social security be broke when there are so many of us working out there. They are once again trying to feed us a big heaping spoonful of s--t. S.S. is not going broke. And the fact that many of us will (and some already are ) working until we are 70, well, that gives us enough time to earn it and for somebody to bury us with what little we may have left. The government must work together to put our finances back on the right track.
 

Susan Pernot (75)
Sunday September 26, 2010, 10:38 am
Signed and noted
 

Janet G. (109)
Sunday September 26, 2010, 10:55 am
Signed! These representatives for the people are nothing less than self-serving zealots that have been pilfering social security to make up for their over-spending, lush lifestyles thinking no one would notice and now they want to take the money from the people that earned it and deserve it! I say we need NEW representatives that are are not above or below the common, everyday individual and get these people out of the house that WE are Supporting!!!
 

Janet G. (109)
Sunday September 26, 2010, 11:13 am
Greg, here is another petition against this that I received this morning fyi: http://www.democrats.com/dont-cut-social-security
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday September 26, 2010, 5:18 pm
Jan G, 2.

Submitting to Kirsten E. Gillibrand . . .

Done!

 

Glenda J. (158)
Monday September 27, 2010, 12:30 pm
They just don't know when to quit..Thanks Gregory for sharing
 

Michele Hollow (185)
Monday September 27, 2010, 6:38 pm
Done. Thanks. We need Social Security.
 

Pat B. (354)
Monday September 27, 2010, 6:42 pm
TY, Gregory for this important petition! Definitely signed!
 

Bonnie A. (76)
Monday September 27, 2010, 10:26 pm
Thanks Gregory! Signed (you better believe it!) and noted
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday September 28, 2010, 9:48 am
Noted and signed, thanks
 

Betsy Bee (1045)
Wednesday September 29, 2010, 9:48 am
Noted, signed, shared. Thanks, Gregory.
 

Richelle R. (65)
Thursday September 30, 2010, 4:12 pm
I've heard that SSA isn't in jeapordy on it's own. It's the greedy right wingers who want to tap into it that's causing the scare. And the extra low-blow is that they're blaming the Dems, even claiming that the Dems want to kill all the senior citizens. WHAT!
 

Jill P. (70)
Monday October 4, 2010, 2:28 pm
We cannot blame just the Republicans for Social Security woes.
The Dems have been siphoning form our Trut fund for decades.
This article and petition are up now because the Democratic President and the Democratic Majority are taking more money form our Trust Fund. obama is already making seniors pay for half of his expensive barbaric "Health care" Law.
Here is another petition that everyone needs to sign. It is another barbaric way our government has been siphoning money from our seniors. It is not just the banks foreclosing on people and putting them in the streets. You can never own your home, you only pay for it and maintain it only to have your state government take your home, property and clean out your bank account once you die. it is Medicad Estate Recovery Program MERP. It was enacted in 1993 (Yes, by Clinton and Gore and the Republicans have done nothing to change it since. Both Parties are responsible for this predatory loan.)
If you ever use Medicaid to pay for your home health care or nursing home care, which most Americans do, you forfeit your property, home and all assets to the state government to pay back your debt, which you have no control over.
Please sign this petition. The mainstream news media WILL NOT report on it. No one is to know about it until it is too late.
Stop congress from Stealing Your Home
 

Robert S. (115)
Monday October 4, 2010, 2:58 pm
A pdf regarding and explaining OBRA 93

http://www.ssvlegal.com/pdfs/obra.pdf

I have not completed reading it yet.