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Gregory
- 1585 days ago - sen4earth.org
Since Sept 11 our govt has used terrorism as excuse for war to insure access to oil, doing little to reduce dependence on oil but spending $1 Trillion and the lives and limbs of over 32,000 of our children. Govt plans another Trillion thru 2020. ACT!



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Gregory Hilbert (422)
Monday August 16, 2010, 1:52 pm
The War Costs of USA Dependence On Oil: One Trillion Enroute to Two Trillion

Almost all “get it” that among the costs of our dependence on oil are disasters like that in the Gulf. Most “get it” that burning oil adds greatly to the emissions that threaten all life on earth with catastrophic global warming or climate change. Many “get it” that the world’s oil will be for all intents and purposes exhausted in just 25 or 30 years, and that the cost of gas and things dependent on it like food production will inevitably soon skyrocket as oil grows more scarce and what is left is more costly to extract.

Not enough “get it” that the principal reason for the USA’s “War on Terror” at home and in Iraq and Afghanistan is among other things the hyped excuse for military action to insure access to oil in the Middle East.

SEN wants you to know the cost of that war atop the human carnage to date. Note that the government report mentions that CBO was asked to supply spending projections through 2020. Yes, they contemplate a doubling of the duration of the war that is already America’s longest ever. What kind of war do they imagine when other nations like China as desperate for the last of the oil as the USA?

Please sign the petition to stop this madness!
 

Mack David (100)
Monday August 16, 2010, 2:01 pm
signed and noted.
 

Alicia v. (181)
Monday August 16, 2010, 2:12 pm
Insanity indeed.
 

Alicia v. (181)
Monday August 16, 2010, 2:12 pm
Signed and noted.
 

Chris V. (267)
Monday August 16, 2010, 2:15 pm
Action taken. TY Gregory
 

Kit H. (173)
Monday August 16, 2010, 2:31 pm
signed & share.
 

Pamylle G. (462)
Monday August 16, 2010, 2:34 pm
Thanks, Gregory - signed !
 

Ness F. (211)
Monday August 16, 2010, 2:48 pm
Thanks Gregory, noted and signed!
You cannot currently send a star to Gregory because you have done so within the last week.
 

Barb Knight (1681)
Monday August 16, 2010, 2:54 pm
Thnx Gregory and Suzanne S.!! Signed...
 

Heidi L. (88)
Monday August 16, 2010, 2:55 pm
Signed
 

Eileen Novak (444)
Monday August 16, 2010, 2:58 pm
I "GET IT!"
Now let's change "it."
 

Linda G. (187)
Monday August 16, 2010, 3:01 pm
Noted, signed and shared. What else we don't "get" is that the longer we delay switching to alternate energy sources, the more the green industries jobs will be created in other countries, leading to a further loss of employment and more economic heartache here.
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday August 16, 2010, 3:09 pm
We've all heard and many believe the incessant excuses about why we can't possibly convert to sustainable fuel sources, poppycock! Many advances have been made in the last 40 years, and we could be self sustaining within 10 years. What's the catch? Who will own the sun? Unlike earth based products it's very difficult to claim ownership of the sun, you can patent ideas for transport and conversion of radiation and heat from the into usable fuel sources, but you can't own it, not that a few haven't tried that gambit. In the 60's California's PG&E did claim that any one using any form of solar power would still have to pay for the electrical power generated by the sun - the people shot that down. These days, people would probably nod in agreement, after all it is just the free-market.

All of this does directly lead to wars and manipulations in the middle east. With the will to stop these stupid and useless wars, the will to support small co-op business we could end our dependence on fossil fuels, support only co-op business and not shed a tear as the mega wealth that destroys our planet, melted into a more healthy and balanced economy.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Monday August 16, 2010, 3:10 pm
"Gregory, we ain't gonna say it again. You can't send more stars to any of the people above and if you think Linda made an important point in her comment, tell her yourself because we're busy! -- Care2 PS We like the way the petition addesses two related issues, giving Care2 users twice the bang for their effort. We also like that users worldwide can sign it, and that it's not partisan politically. But quit tryin' to send extra green stars!"
 

Patrizia S. (315)
Monday August 16, 2010, 3:17 pm
Noted and signed Thank you Gregory
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 16, 2010, 3:18 pm
Noted and signed, thanks :-)
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Monday August 16, 2010, 3:28 pm
Thanks for the green star message Kit, my last comment crossed yours, so it doesn't mention the excellent points you added re non-oil economy right after Linda's comment. No doubt the greedy mega-corporations will be looking for ways to privatize and profiteer on access to the SUN and WIND the way Google and Verizon and other wireless providers are now looking to do with the internet.

But first we gotta get the damn wars stopped and the money shifted to federal funding to reduce the dependence on oil, thank you ALL above and to come for signing the petition!
 

Maria A. (12)
Monday August 16, 2010, 3:30 pm
Signed and noted. Thank you for the article and petition.
 

Maryjane P. (43)
Monday August 16, 2010, 3:35 pm
Thank you. I signed and commented on the petition. This is a grave matter.
 

Beth FS (149)
Monday August 16, 2010, 3:44 pm
Noted and signed, once they bleed the earth dry, they will find ways to profit from the lack of it, a vicious circle. If we could just plug all the wells with their fat heads...oh.. maybe not..all that methane (sh*t) for brains would explode.
 

Jess J. (11)
Monday August 16, 2010, 3:49 pm
We need these wars ended NOW. Noted, signed and shared. Thanks, Gregory.
 

Lady Flo (121)
Monday August 16, 2010, 3:58 pm
Thank you,noted and signed,you get oil we get refugees.
 

Penelope P. (222)
Monday August 16, 2010, 4:01 pm
I have seldom been so pleased as when I saw this Congratulations Gregory- Unfortunately was unable to access the petition could be I have XP or that Google and Verizon have already started the slowdown program.
 

Rhonda Maness (583)
Monday August 16, 2010, 4:03 pm
Thanks Greogory
 

Laurie IS AWAY S. (128)
Monday August 16, 2010, 4:05 pm
Of couse I signed!!!
Thanks Gregory :)
 

Patricia C. (96)
Monday August 16, 2010, 4:05 pm
# 31, and thank you Gregory. Like Mj P, I agree that it is a grave matter, and there ARE no excuses for our extreme dependence on oil. But at least the LAST Hummer was manufactured this year.....Bad joke, but true.
 

Mehdi H. (27)
Monday August 16, 2010, 4:26 pm
Noted
 

Linda L. (511)
Monday August 16, 2010, 4:31 pm
Noted and Signed! Great Petition! Thanks Gregory!
 

. (0)
Monday August 16, 2010, 4:39 pm

afghanistan after the war ((gallows)humor)

 

Dale Must (20)
Monday August 16, 2010, 4:40 pm
Thanks Greg! I did sign and send. If you read Tom Clancy's "Red Storm Rising" the situation is similar. So are the wars that have no clear purpose or end. Sort of like Vietnam. End the wars! If the US wants to curb terrorism in the US, it should curb immigration and scrtunize anyone applying for immigration. That's what they did during WW2. There were German spies coming in to work for armaments factories.Oil is getting more scarce by the minute. Yet our own automakers are producing gas guzzling vehicles. I just read yesterday in Autoweek that Porsche has built an electric replacement to it's Carrera, capable of 0 to 70mph in 3.5 seconds and the equivalent of 70 mpg.Wake up world and USA! When they say all the oil is almost gone, what will happen between humans and countries? Will we do something before the dominoes start falling?
 

Monica D. (580)
Monday August 16, 2010, 4:55 pm
Imagine if that money were to be spent on building a sustainable future!
 

Penelope P. (222)
Monday August 16, 2010, 5:03 pm
Besides the money saved from military outlay . The chance for thiose currently involved in producing inherently redundant war equipment would have the chance to tool up to making sustainable living equipment eg Housing for the homeless something along the lines of the Dymaxion house for those who previously made tanks..

Large sheltersfrom dome based architecture which is modular and is used in several army bases even now. Objects for generating electricity on ahome and commercial level, electrical cars .
Perhaps a grid of the sort that Tersla and Edison and Buckminster Fuller envisaged.

Another advantage of a non-petroleum based economy is that it's existence would slow down global warming.

And some of it's side effectsw like the fires in Russia, and the floods in Pahkistan,and the mudslides and floods in China, and the earthquakes in the USA region which have even slightly shaken Washington just recently as well as Canada and Chicago..

Also the starvation In Ethiopia which is at record levels due to drought.
 

Naoko I. (260)
Monday August 16, 2010, 5:16 pm
Of course signed, but only #48 ?!?! Come on, there should have been 4,800 already.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 16, 2010, 5:27 pm
Signed and noted, thanks
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 16, 2010, 5:32 pm
Signed and noted, thanks
 

Charlene S. (126)
Monday August 16, 2010, 5:48 pm
Noted and signed. It was revealed a long time ago that we were in Afghanistan to clear the way for an oil pipeline. Our troops are sacrificing their lives, not for terrorism but for oi. May they all be held accountable for each and ever life lost in the end.
 

Bruno Moreira (61)
Monday August 16, 2010, 6:01 pm
Hope it all works out!!
 

Peter B. (54)
Monday August 16, 2010, 6:10 pm
Noted signed and shared thankyou Gregory
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Monday August 16, 2010, 6:51 pm
Stop the insanity.
Demand those you elect to office push for green jobs and alternative energy sources. If they don't do it, kick them out. Start the process to get them out of office before a next election. Call them, write them, tell them that they are not at all doing what they were elected to do. Make them be accountable.
Stop the insanity.
 

Hugh M. (75)
Monday August 16, 2010, 7:05 pm
Signed. It is definitely time we removed oil as the excuse for war. If it has such deadly effects let us just give it up and use cleaner and universally available sustainable energy sources.
 

Nina Serman (108)
Monday August 16, 2010, 7:13 pm
Thanks Gregory! This is an excellent petition which I signed with pleasure. Even better, thanks to it, I "discovered" SEN (and through them few petitions I somehow missed). Looking forward to SEN newsletter! I like the Pledge very much, too, and I am planning to fullfill it.
 

Edwin M. (356)
Monday August 16, 2010, 7:16 pm
Thank You Gregory, noted,signed and will now forward
 

Tierney G. (383)
Monday August 16, 2010, 7:52 pm
I gladly signed this one! When are we going to wake these scaredy cats out of thier coma's and make them realize the far worst enemy is the planet in pain! I am sick of giving those Saudis one more red cent!!Thank you Gregory
 

Tom W. (24)
Monday August 16, 2010, 7:53 pm
Signed - Get rid of all the Lobbyists who corrupt our politicians into voting for oil dependence and we get rid of oil.
 

William K. (308)
Monday August 16, 2010, 8:25 pm
Noted and signed. Ironically (or maybe tragically or maybe karmically), Al Qaeda and the Taliban are doing to us what we, the US, trained them to do to the Soviet Union - win by bankrupting a superpower in an intractable war. Our country is decaying all around us right now. It's happening. It's been happening for almost a decade now. The only way for the US to restore its greatness is to extract ourselves from the blackholes of lives and money.
 

Eternal Gardener (761)
Monday August 16, 2010, 9:50 pm
Thanks Gregory, signed + noted!
 

Bob Oort (26)
Monday August 16, 2010, 9:53 pm
SPEAK OUT! Raise your voice against the ourageous insanity of this war! Help bring this to an end. Urge the International and the Afghanistan war mongers to end this insanity. Join a SAWA group in your country and support RAWA and the Afghan women who work for peace and freedom from all those who play this intolerable game for whatever self serving reason. Tell these madmen to take their weapons out of Afghanistan, for now and for good and leave these people in peace!
 

Leslie W. (42)
Monday August 16, 2010, 10:04 pm
Noted and gladly signed. Thank you, Gregory. :-)
 

chris b. (2474)
Monday August 16, 2010, 10:22 pm
Is it not strange that we i.e. the US and UK etc. always have plenty of money for war and destruction but we invariably gib at the prospect of paying for good healthcare, school and social provision for the old, young and vulnerable in our own countries! It is obviously not a coincidence that the beneficiaries of war are the oil industry and armaments makers!
 

Michael Masley (5)
Monday August 16, 2010, 10:49 pm
Noted.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Monday August 16, 2010, 11:11 pm
Have signed thanks Gregory.
Chris - don't think the UK have ever jibbed at spending money on healthcare - it has had Nattional Healthcare since 1947. You would think that the US - being the great power it is - would have provided the same for it's people long ago.
 

Sue L. (67)
Monday August 16, 2010, 11:12 pm
Let's take all the money we spend on these wars on creating sustainable energy and educating girls in rural Afghanistan and Pakistan. This is a much better way to fight terrorism and supply our energy needs. Google Greg Mortonson if you don't know who he is and what he does.
 

Andrew Melendez (6)
Monday August 16, 2010, 11:41 pm
This is LONG overdue.
 

Melissah C. (389)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 12:17 am
thanks
 

Ann K. (112)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 12:44 am
Thx Gregory! Signed and noted.
 

Kerrie G. (135)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 12:50 am
Noted, thanks.
 

Deborah B. (65)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 1:12 am
Thank you, Gregory. Now we need to get the American people to actually be willing to make lifestyle changes to help reel in the dependence on oil as we end this tragedy of a war.
 

Arild Warud (169)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 1:16 am
# 100: 9:13 am, Aug 17, Arild Warud, Portugal
TY Gregory.
 

gail dair (0)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 1:29 am
signed ty
 

Nikolas K. (94)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 2:37 am
Afghanistan was invaded so the CIA could get their heroin crops replanted, as the Taliban were very nasty in destroying them and nearly sending the CIA and Americas cash economy into a spin. We have to feel very sorry for the military /industrial alliance who need a cashed up CIA to enforce their will. Roosevelt warned Americans about this alliance, but they were all asleep during his farewell speech. The military/ industrial alliance had to go to great lengths to get our sympathy like orchestrate 9/11 and various other bombings around the world as all this costs money. What will Americans do about all this??? I live in hope.
 

Ben Oscarsito (350)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 2:45 am
Signed!
 

Ana R (220)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 2:56 am
#110@N
Hope it all works out...
 

Marty H. (119)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 3:03 am
Thanks, noted and signed!
 

Ana S. (70)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 3:15 am
Thanks!
 

mary f. (181)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 3:39 am
signed noted
 

Sharon Balloch (132)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 4:20 am
signed and noted
 

Maryjane P. (43)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 4:26 am
Nikolas...
I agree...just to add...Eisenhower also addressed this in his farewell address, he termed it the "Military Industrial Complex".
As I see it, we can never give up hope and we must continue to work vigilantly for what we believe in, which is based on integrity and moral ethics in a world that we respect and that works for all people. The glitch is when we (the super power of the era), proclaim to be a democracy, yet the leaders disregard its citizens. We are supposed to have a voice, and I will never give up...but it feels like I am spitting in the ocean when it comes to the leaders in the US and world. We are the majority, in numbers. We must figure out a way to claim our world and rights back in a balanced and just manner. The majority rules, but really...it is he who holds the gold is the one with the keys. Do they really look at these petitions? When any of them are on trial or in front of senate hearings, etc...they look completely unaffected....it's unnerving...
Love and Light
 

Maryjane P. (43)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 4:44 am
Deborah...
You are right. It is easier said than done...many people sit around wide eyed, wagging fingers and dodging the inevitable...yet they do not change their wreckless behavior. I suspect that many people just hope or think that these 'new' sustainable ways of living do not pertain to them. THIS IS VITAL...WE ALL NEED TO LIVE AND ACT RESPONSIBLY IN OUR OWN LIVES...the "Trickle Down" theory of Reagan's era did not work as far as the economy....perhaps we can use his phrase in regards to each person pitching in by living a responsible and sustainable lifestyle...and this 'trickling down' can work towards a better state of the planet. In the meantime...we must pull together as an effective cohesive unit and demand change...we must NOT BE LIKE OUR GREEDY CORPORATE OWNED LEADERS BY ACTING WITHOUT HYPOCRISY...we have a comittment to walking the walk.
 

Teresa W. (702)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 4:54 am
The page won't open. Perhaps it's available only in the U.S.
 

JustaHuman Here (53)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 5:39 am
All this is absurd. How can a clear thinking person believe that we can end the dependency on oil by a click with a mouse?

One does not need to be a prophet to know that this petition goes nowhere. To whom do you want to send it? Obama? The oil industry? The car industry? BP? The Pope?, God???

Getting independend on oil requires an immediate lifestyle like in the 18 th century for to have a positive influence on our climate and nature that is already damaged too far. Time to wake up, get kowledge, think and act.
 

Agnes H. (144)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 6:00 am
I noted, signed and left a comment. But the American government is far too greedy! and why should we let our soldiers die for another country's greed for oil, and if it's true about the CIA wanting the heroin crop again to make money then they should all be given to the TALIBAN and let THEM sort the CIA out.
 

Barbara K. (75)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 6:53 am
We need alternative energies and we need it now. It is ludicrous to be at war over oil. Get our kids out of these Bush wars, that were so stupid from the first day. We've shed enough blood and nearly bankrupted our country for these wars. End them, now. There will be no winners or losers, the wars are not possible to win in these countries, we cannot win against religious ideals over there.
 

Mary Alexander (23)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 7:17 am
Thanks Gregory. I have signed.
 

. (0)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 7:20 am
Signed and noted, thanks Gregory.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 7:22 am
Ralph X, thank you for saying that I am absurd and anyone signing the petition I posted is wasting their time. If you had troubled to read the article and petition you would know the answer to your question. If you had troubled to skim any of the many pages on SEN where the article is posted you would know SEN urges everyone to reduce their use of oil and other resources, explains why we must, and provides ideas as to things they can do themselves. SEN was inspired by Care2 people who unlike you DO contructive things to make a difference and support others who do. SEN stands for SUSTAINABILITY Education Network. I observe that you lazily roam Care2 posting hostile and cynical comments that contribute absolutely nothing. You offer no information, no wisdom, no encouragement, no support, no constructive suggestion, no pointer to action, no sharing or caring spirit. Just cynical and insulting pot shots. It figures that the last sentence of your comment would be "Time to wake up, get knowledge, think and act". Take your own advice. Figure out what the hell is the matter with you. The destructive cynicism and hostility. Roaming Care2 to find places to express it. Go back to SEN and spend an hour reading. Learn to sing with choirs instead of sneering at them. If you don't like the choirs you hear, sing a song of your own. Nobody but nobody thinks the solution to horrific problems like war or dependence on oil or climate change or preservation of wildlife is as simple as signing petitions or getting the highest mpg you can when you drive.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 7:28 am
Noted and gladly signed, the war is futile and a detriment to all.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 7:41 am
Thanks, Gregory. Noted and most gladly signed!
 

Sanja T. (154)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 8:31 am
noted...and signed
 

Liliana D. (124)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 8:37 am
Noted and signed #142. Thanks.
 

JustaHuman Here (53)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 8:59 am
Gregory,

I do not need to read a lot to understand that we do not have time for a "reduction". I know that it is hard to understand that we cannot brake but must stop. I am trying to wake up people. That this is not always possible with nice and comforting words is obvious. If you want to know about me (the way you say in your aggressive comment) I advise you to visit my care2 page. By the way I offered a suggestion in my comment. I know thath this is not what people have in mind who still think they can have both, the lifestyle they are used to and saving life on this planet. It is a pitty that people just do not want to understand that. Have a closer look on what is happening on our planet while there are still people discussing if Global Warming exists.

In the past years I signed so many petitions and less than a half percent had a positive effect. So what does singing in that choir bring in the end? Of course, if I could I would do more. I see that the big nations every year discuss what to do about greenhouse gases, and nothing happens that really makes sense.

I am sorry if you do not like my comments. Other people send me green stars for it. I am not someone who is singing with choir.
 

Tierney G. (383)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 9:28 am
Now that everyone has signed the petition get going. Start by relacing all regular light bulbs with led or flourescents,unplug any electrical items not in use,look into cars that get gas mileage of 40 miles to a gallon on up,find an alternative energy company( Viridian is the one I am now using they run off of solar and wind power and will reduce my electric bills by 17% a month!) Buy only energy star rated products,when mowing the lawn use a funnel to pour gas in as to not waste a drop. Reduce use of plastic by using cloth reusable bags.( All plastic uses oil to make) when redoing a home remodeling project use recycled materials and put in energy efficient windows. Up the insulation to recycled jeans. Better insulation too. Recycle everything you can. etc etc...
If everyone started to do their share even if it is only a fraction of the population we will make a difference!! Take a stand and get going if you have not already. We must do this the heck with the disbelievers let them pay for higher electric bills. Doing is believing seeing is believing.
 

Roxana Cortijo (175)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 9:29 am
Signed.
 

gerlinde p. (161)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 9:33 am
signed thanks
 

SANDRA ROCHA (146)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 9:52 am
Noted and signed! Thank you Gregory!!
 

Nina Serman (108)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 10:44 am
I would like to write few words about petitions. Few years ago, at those rare occasions when I encountered (accidentally) a petition, I thought petitioning was waste of time at best and attempted manipulation at worst. I thought that people who "pushed" them were (almost) delusional, had nothing better to do etc., etc. Then, by pure chance, I got a job in an NGO whose mission at first seemed unattainable (mission impossible) but I liked the people who worked there. Oh boy, was I wrong! Few people can accomplish a LOT. We had a petition, and I changed my mind about how useful it can be. Yes, you don't win each time but a message does get out. I returned to US as a changed person :-). And, obviously I sign petitions, lots of them (if I support the message and if some other conditions are met). In my e-mail inbox there is bunch of "proofs" that petitions can and do succeed, but even I they would not, I would still sign them. Signing petitions does not exclude other positive actions (advocacy etc ), it is part of them. It also makes one think, define one's own position on causes of interest and beyond. Also, a petition can connects people who think they have nothing in common - if only at that moment, for that particular purpose. I will sign a good, meaningful petition even if I am not crazy about an organization or an individual who wrote it. And I'll sign it even when I know its goals cannot be met (yet), but its intent is good and it has been written by an organization or an individual I respect and support. Sometimes, one just needs to take a stand. A petition I will ignore, even if I agree with its basic idea, is the one very poorly written, without clear goal in mind or, the worst, without its content disclosed.
 

z Buffypause o. (101)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 10:44 am
noted, thank you
 

Jim Phillips (3201)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 10:58 am
Petiton signed.

Out of Afghanistan NOW.

TY, Gregory H.
.
 

Tom H. (36)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 11:11 am
DONE! I hope it works. Thanks, Gregory.
 

ChanTlalok C. (369)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 12:02 pm
Thanx Nicolas for the info on the CIA involvement. Great comment Kit. God Bless
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 12:32 pm
Special thanks to Nina for taking the time to write a THOUGHTFUL comment about the many useful purposes that petitions CAN serve, even those that do not have a ghost of a chance of gaining their declared purpose.

It will take a combination of many different kinds of actions by many different people to have any impact at all against the insanities of our times, and of course it concurrently takes huge numbers of people doing all they can that is within their own personal control. There are constructive ways to urge others to see what you see or do what you think they should do, even to wonder or worry aloud that the effort at hand may be futile, or to say that far more is needed. Several people have said as much, good Care2 friends included, and I fully agree that more is needed, that many different things are needed, and urgently so. I'm grateful that several troubled to remind what some of those things are! So, Ralph, thank you for explaining yourself. I have no problem whatsoever with your come-back explanation and see it as a constructive contribution. My hope would be that you continue to find ways to express your views as you did there, ie without ridiculing my efforts or the efforts of others who are trying to make a difference as "absurd" (or some other cynical and insulting characterization), but if you do, well, you know what to expect from me in response.
 

Gloria H. (88)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 12:46 pm
some day we will figure out a way to genetically engineer skin colors into green/brown or khaki/beige so our babies will grow up and be able to be better camoflaged and therefore, be more efficient as soldiers depending on where ever the current war will be next. Geez- will we ever catch on that all we are raising is canon/missle fodder?
 

Marc Bedard Pelchat (4)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 12:54 pm
Is it so difficult to live on this planet without being hooked to a car? I've lived without one for decades. If I don't want to contribute to wars, I stop using cars and re-learn to walk, bike, use the transit systems in cities. Don't make life dependant on cars with those ugly highways everywhere to bring people ever so far in the urban sprawl to consume in stupid shopping malls build on agricultural lands. The monster lives because it is well fed. We have to re-learn to live and quick. The planet won't take it much longer.
 

Gloria Maria ortegazuinaga (19)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 1:22 pm
thank you for the article. Noted and shared.
 

Eva L. (96)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 1:26 pm
Noted and signed, thank you!
 

Norma G. (0)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 1:34 pm
Canadian oil/gas companies are involved too.
But our Government says "It's not about oil"
The "Terrorist's " were from Saudia Arabia & never came through Canada.
 

Magdalena M. (0)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 1:35 pm
Thank you Gregory. Noted, signed and shared everywhere.
 

Linda Thompson (16)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 1:36 pm
Noted, signed and shared
 

Catherine Ignatowski (80)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 1:38 pm
Thanks for the article. I noted and signed
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 1:46 pm
Thank you Marc for relating the matter of oil dependence to a central obstacle. Lacking foresight in the USA and being increasingly manipulated by the corporate elite "we" built most of the physical aspect of our economy and way of life around cheap oil and cars. Most can't get to work without a car, many can't heat their home without oil, the list is long and those are big problems for most to solve and most don't yet realize the urgency of the need to solve. Worse, the culture still worships excessive consumption (huge homes, big luxury cars whose weight reduces fuel efficiency, etc) instead of home or community gardens, thrift, re-using things instead of discarding and buying new, etc. Ironically, while I deplore the hardships imposed on those suffering the greed of the wealthy corporate elite at the helm of this mess, one can say it is awakening many to ways they can in fact live with less and thus have lesser impact on earth's resources. (I'm one of them). Those who have long been earth-friendly by choice have a vital role to play teaching and inspire others, as you do with your comment.

Your comment reminded me of something, the leap to spend jobs and stimulus money on "infrastructure", which most often translates to highways. Perhaps some is needed for purposes of safety, but I'd prefer most of the spending be on reducing dependence on oil incl hiring people for "sustainability" projects (community biomass stills, solarizing local schools, creating community gardens, commuter vans, local thrift shops, etc etc) .
 

Jo Balltes (44)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 1:59 pm
Long long overdue! Thank you very much for sharing. Interesting article. x
 

Norma G. (0)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 2:55 pm
Canadian oil/gas companies are involved too.
But our Government says "It's not about oil"
The "Terrorist's " were from Saudia Arabia & never came through Canada.
 

Mark H. (33)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 3:15 pm
Again the "click to sign" button was not active! Is this happening with anyone else?
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 3:50 pm
Signed. Saw a movie about the "USA and Paul McCartney" and it of course was about the Vietnam War and the protests when thousands and hundreds of thousands took to the streets. We are now such a placid group of citizens. Granted there was a lot going on including, Civil Rights, Social Change, Questioning Authority for the first time en mass, but there were people who really got hurt but risked that for their convictions. We now sign polite petitions that are ignored, and feel we have done all we can. Is it all we can do? What will get Americans up off their easy chair to stand up for what is right? Granted there is now a police syndicate that will monitor our every move, and label everyone who speaks out as a possible terrorist, and your property can be seized up you are accused of being one. Is it safe to protest en mass now? Would you take to the streets if you wanted this war to end? Or if you wanted Monsanto to stop having control of your food? Or to bring jobs back to America? What would get your ire up?
 

Maryjane P. (43)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 3:53 pm
Wow, Judith...I saw a documentary recently about the "US vs John Lennon"...same sort of thing...there's a movie about McCartney too? I didn't realize that he was an activist too...hmmmmm
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 3:55 pm
Sorry, but I should have said John Lennon, cause that was who the film was about. Never said I was perfect.
 

David Gould (155)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 3:59 pm
War leads to destruction of people
both inside and out
War leads to greed and not need
as arms dealers smile
war is an aberation of the species
as we kill ourselves.
And all because we want and want
what they have
their oil wells and hard minerals
so we fight
and destroy that wonderful jewell
the human spirit.
David
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 4:00 pm
Thanks Gregory. Signed and sent.

Once again I suggest eliminating our use of "free plastic bags", and encouraging investment in innovations such as "The Dung Beetle", a volkswagon run on sewage.

Cheap oil has gone regardless of whether we win in Afghanistan or not. Why waste so many lives and money pursuing the unattainable? That money would be better spent on investing in oil free technologies, especially in a country with such high unemployment as the USA>
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 4:08 pm
The movie name was U.S. vs John Lennon, a worthwhile movie to rent. Could not find it on You Tube, full length version but clips of it are there. When I watched it I could see how complacent we have become. It is the chem-trails affecting us?
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 4:23 pm
Just want to say thank you to Judith, Mj, Mary and David for the rich variety of their contributions. Surely Lennon would've appreciated David's verse. Will look for that movie.
 

Ellen W. (0)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 4:36 pm
That's a great site. Lots of important information there. Thanks.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 5:02 pm
Forgot to mention that we did sign the petition Gregory - it is a very worthwhile petition and more power to your arm mon ami.
 

Maryjane P. (43)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 5:30 pm
Judith..
This was on the the Documentary Channel...very powerful...as far as the chem trails? I think that there is a definite effect, same with the low frequency vibrations from ELF towers or whatever they are...I know a great deal about the chem trails...I gave up the opportunity to spend winters on the very Southwestern Gulf of Mexico in FL (prior to the oil spill). I was having some serious side effects that I thought were nickel allergies...they went away every time I returned to NH...found out last winter about the chem trails...no more going there...(chem trails are REALLY HEAVY in SW Florida Gulf, not as bad here in NH, but still heavy when the tourists are up)...I am now at my heavenly woodsy house (Thoreau) on Golden Pond and in the White Mountains....and am dealing with hardcore Low Frequency Vibrations...to the point where I must have a fan on or music...it's really intense....what next?

OH...if anyone is interested in a very good site dealing with effects of chem trails and such please note...in fact, this site is more about coping and positive action than validation...it is for the people who know what is going on and it offers solutions...ie. diet for cleansing the liver, etc...in my case from exposure to heavy spraying of chem trails...but it covers everything and more that we address on Care 2...it's "Surviving the Middle Class Crash"...http://survivingthemiddleclasscrash.wordpress.com/
 

Lyn Z. (290)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 6:36 pm
Thanks Gregory. Signed
 

Rhonda B. (0)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 6:44 pm
I hate war!
 

Aletta Kraan (146)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 7:01 pm
Noted and signed , thanks !
 

HELEN V. (52)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 7:02 pm
Noted action taken oettion signed. And I commend you for this action. Even though this will not be enought to stop them.. at least we can show the government what we really think of this war.. Unfortunately it is going to take a lot more on our part to stop them.
 

greenplanet e. (157)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 7:36 pm
War / invasion / military build-up also uses great quantities of fossil fuels and creates CO2 emissions, environmental destruction and pollution (even radiation). The planes alone use many gallons of jet fuel per second/ minute/hour of flight.

"The U.S. Air Force consumes 2.4 billion gallons of jet fuel each year."

The taleban has got worse since invasion.
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 7:38 pm
You know that was not really a movie I was speaking about "U.S. vs John Lennon", but was a two hour documentary as Mj P. stated. Actually as a documentary it had many clips throughout about how John encouraged peaceful demonstrations and his songs reflected that. The police made them violent however, and then there was the demonstrations at Kent State when they shot and killed students. I wanted to correct my post so I will be a reliable commenter here. Another mea culpa due You can rent the movie on the internet and under the Google short clips they give the web site if you want to see it.
 

gary leigh (0)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 7:45 pm
LET YOUR NUMBERS BEARD!
 

Kaye S. (45)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 7:58 pm
Signed, noted, thanks
 

Jacqueline S Wolf Heart (74)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 9:02 pm
SIGNED/NOTED/PASSED..I AGREE Gregory.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 10:44 pm
John Lennon was a peaceful activist - and his song 'IMAGINE' reflects this. Sad that he was vilified by those in Authority.
 

Mike L. (59)
Tuesday August 17, 2010, 10:52 pm
Thank you Gregory and signed!
 

josie lim (131)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 12:17 am
Petition signed. I am Indonesian, not an American, so US Authority should not concern me, but their rootedness of oil destroy my mountains, their gigantic oil company capitalizing in my forests and my deep sea, and their greed is corrupting my government. I wouldn't have wanted them into my land and grope us further.
 

Charmaine C. (176)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 12:19 am
Grogory thanks for including all of us in these important actions that have a global impact.

The status quo has always been "No interest, No action!" All the wars throughout history have been asset based wars. If anyone believes differently, ask yourself why it should change now and all of the sudden become altruistic, when human nature is basically unchanged and greed and self interest has increased exponentially?
 

luca pisaroni (0)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 1:28 am
thanks
 

luca pisaroni (0)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 1:28 am
thanks
 

luca pisaroni (0)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 1:29 am
thanks
 

Yvonne K. (0)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 1:30 am
Thanks.
 

Cindy Black (61)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 1:41 am
Of course the Iraq war was for oil... But that was just the catalyst. NOW we've got something much bigger on our hands and I believe we may be in real danger now. So I was "for" this war, this lesser-evil among the greater evils we need to circumvent. However all indications are that we are pi**ing against the wind in Afghanistan; we're in a no-win situation. And so with some sadness I signed. We need to cut our losses. As for living green, I do a DARN good job of that but could never live without my car. My No.1 solace is the wild places, and without a car it's much harder to travel to and hang out in the wild places. Anyway, THANK YOU, Greg.
 

Joy Wong (76)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 3:52 am
Noted, thanks.
 

Tim L. (86)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 5:52 am
Signed and noted. I was against this stupid war before it started, but the loud mouth neo-cons convinced the terminally ignorant of this country that this war was patriotic. So here we are with two disastrous wars, an economy that is in the toilet and the US on the way to becoming a third world country.

As far as breaking our dependence on oil, I'm all for that. But, how do we go about doing that. I know there are a lot of geniuses who propose raising fuel prices as a solution. I am totally opposed to that idea, because it puts all of the burden on the poor and middle class; these people can't afford more financial burdens. I find it absolutely disgusting that every solution must always be at the expense of those who have the least.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 6:29 am
I just wanted to share how encouraged I felt this morning to read the comments posted here and on SEN since Kaye's comment last night (ie from Jacqueline, Patricia, Edward, Mike, Josephia, Charmaine, Luca, Yvonne, Cindy, Joy, and Tim above). I see people thinking, making connections, asking questions, seeing the need to find ways to slow and stop the assault of greed on humanity and the earth that sustains all life. Futile war will not get the oil drill dislodged from our throats nor convince the ignorant to cease murderous hate. The wealthy elite who perpetuate these things do not suffer the consequences along with the rest of us. We must see them for what they are: merciless.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 7:11 am
"The nations raged, but Thy day of retribution has come. The time has come to destroy those who are destroying the earth." -Revelation 11:17-18. War destroys the earth in every way...through loss of life (especially those of innocent civilians,) environmental damage, and eco-system destruction. We speak of war as being "over there," and we try to distance ourselves from it, but we can't.

Chief Seattle said, "Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect."

Signed, noted, and passed on. Thanks Gregory!
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 7:27 am
Andrea, thank you for your wonderful expansion of the perspective on this article to that of all life, and for passing this on to others so that more signatures may be obtained.
 

Amr A. (29)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 7:47 am

Hopefully, an increasing number of people have started to realize the naked truth about these U.S. wars (reasons and effects)...

Thanks Andrea.
 

Gary C. (5)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 8:07 am
noted and signed thankyou
 

Chandra Mohan S. (0)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 9:05 am
Signed, but guess its not counting in my vote
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 9:35 am
Chandra sometimes it takes Care2's computer system awhile to process, I checked and found your signature, thank you!
 

Jennifer M. (78)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 10:37 am
Signed and noted. I hate that a big argument is if we don't have oil the economy will hurt and jobs will be lost. What a crock!! Green technology has the potential to employ hundreds of thousands or more I'm sure! Oil is nasty and disgusting and these companies are running the country. It's got to stop!!
 

linda b. (190)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 1:11 pm
Signed and notedd Thank you Gregoey.
 

Cindy C. (125)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 1:44 pm
DEFINITELY SIGNED IT.
 

Rebecca T. (1)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 2:13 pm
Gregory, thank you so much for bringing this issue to light. As a species, our overall behavior on this planet is abhorrent, and war is a prime example of this. Not only is it destructive to individuals, families and societies, it is a tearing down of any hope for a harmonious existance on this planet. At it's core, it is about much more than the people involved. It is esentially the blatant rape of Earth. And in the name of what? Greed, Power and Dominance.
I often wonder why history is even still being taught in our school system. I thought the primary goal of studying our past is so that we may learn from our mistakes. Clearly we are quite incapable of this when financial and/or territorial gain is at stake. We have so richly infused our global community with a sense of gluttonous self entitlement, that it has quickly and steadfastly become the norm. I have signed this petition with great hope that a change may come about, but I wouldn't be being honest if I said I didn't have my doubts. Our government is as gluttonous as they come, and their entwinement with the oil industry is so thickly woven, breaking through will extremely difficult. That being said, kudos again, Gregory, for bringing this up and at least giving us all a shot at making a difference.
 

Jason C. (1)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 3:51 pm
NOTED AND SIGNED. we've been fighting there for too long.
 

Jessie H. (75)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 7:06 pm
Thanks Greg! Noted & signed.
 

Kit H. (173)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 8:15 pm
We are fighting an asymmetric war, precisely guerrilla war. We are fighting with our stupidity while the other side is with smartness. It is totally against the principles of the golden rules of General Sun(孫). We can throw all our money and will get very small result. The cost benefit ratio is dismal. If we really want to fight this, we need to fight a symmetric war on a microscopic level not letting war-profiteers coming in. Our army is not good at this. How can we use elephants to catch mice?
 

kryzstyna P. (1)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 9:45 pm
Noted and will sign
 

Manojkumar Bhoyar (29)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 10:28 pm
end war, but kill all talibanis.
 

Kathy Chadwell (365)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 10:54 pm
Noted & signed with thanks Gregory
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Wednesday August 18, 2010, 11:36 pm
http://www.care2.com/causes/environment/blog/biodiversity-loss-threatens-global-economy-can-corporations-save-us/

Can I ask the readers here to look up the article I linked above this line. It is Titled Biodiversity Loss Threatens Global Economy, Can Corporations Save Us. Please read my comments and view the links to Google films about Monsanto control of seed and animal supply. The videos are most important I referenced there. They are long but the issue is urgent. Our biodiversity is more at risk than I possibly could have imagined and an American company and our laws are permitting this to happen world wide. Wildflower seeds now have been identified to be genetically modified. What will happen to our birds, our bees have already declined significantly. 90% of our soybeans are GM by Monsanto. So much to read, and I do not like to take away from this interesting subject but fear not enough people will read that topic to get a movement going. We need contacts. Much to discuss. Please help.
 

Peggy S. (16)
Thursday August 19, 2010, 8:20 am
Noted signed shared
 

patricia lasek (317)
Thursday August 19, 2010, 1:29 pm
Thanks Gregory. I can't believe mine is only the 389th signature. Come on people! Sign this one!
 

Heidi L. (88)
Thursday August 19, 2010, 3:15 pm
Signed
 

Debbie G. (311)
Friday August 20, 2010, 8:49 am
Thanks Gregory. Signed and noted. (Sorry I got here late to the party.)
 

(0)
Friday August 20, 2010, 2:57 pm
signed and noted thanks
 

Juan Pablo de la Torre (5)
Friday August 20, 2010, 3:03 pm
Signed!
 

Lynn D. (0)
Friday August 20, 2010, 3:05 pm
Very interesting and I did sign! Thanks!
 

Past Member (0)
Friday August 20, 2010, 3:24 pm
In the region of Afghanistan where the fighting against the Taliban is the fiercest, geologists have found an oilfield that potentially contains 1.8 billion barrels of crude oil. How long has its presence been known? Could the geological features normally associated with oilfields have been detected from space by satellite or shuttle?
Will the USA really leave Afghanistan while all that oil, all that wealth, all that satisfaction for the greedy is still beneath the ground? I have my doubts. How about everyone else here?
 

MICHELLE S. (101)
Friday August 20, 2010, 3:38 pm
Enough! End it NOW!! >:(
 

gary leigh (0)
Friday August 20, 2010, 3:45 pm
SOME GREAT IDEAS! WE CAN FIX OUR PROBLEMS BUT WE HAVE TO MOVE AWAY FROM WAR TO SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS. WE LIVE IN A DIVERSE ENVIRONMENT FOUND NOWHERE IN THIS SOLAR SYSTEM. THE MONEY WE SPEND IN WAR COULD BE USED TO CLEAN WATER , PROVIDE FOOD, BUILD HOMES AND BUSINESSES IN OTHERWORDS REMOVE THE REASONS DICTATORSHIPS START IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT'S ECONOMIC PROBLEMS THAT POWER OUR WORLD PROBLEMS. WE CAN DO GOOD OR HARM WITH HOW WE USE THE POWER OF MONEY AND FINANCE. TO FIX OUR OWN ECONOMY WE NEED TO EMPLOYE THESE APPROACHES. FIGHTING AMONGST OURSELVES KEEPS THE CYCLE ALIVE.
 

Jose Ovidio Perez Morel (44)
Friday August 20, 2010, 4:49 pm
Signed and posted.........
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Friday August 20, 2010, 6:26 pm
Thank you all who've signed, noted, commented!
John, the articles I've seen cite a re-discovery of surveys the Russians did during their war and occupation, and refer to "mineral deposits". I've not seen anything about them finding indications of oil deposits, nor to my knowledge have there been any test mines or drilling. Will watch for further reports, but in the meantime note the irony that Afghanistan was the straw that broke the USSR's back.
 

Jinny L. (72)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 4:10 am
Noted and signed - Thank you!
 

Joel Scott S. (17)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 8:50 am
Find other alternatives to oil and coal. Enough of this war in the Middle East. Money should be used on urgent needs in this country and new techniques to reduce pollution. NOW!
 

JoAnne Perdue (50)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 2:46 pm
noted and signed...
 

Rob Sullivan (86)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 3:25 pm
Noted and signed. /thanks, Gregory
 

Leanne C. (9)
Tuesday August 24, 2010, 11:07 pm
Gladly signed,thanks.
 

Seth E. (65)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 3:16 pm
Noted and signed.

Thank you!
 

Mervi R. (74)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 3:55 pm
noted, signed
 

Mandi T. (431)
Sunday August 29, 2010, 10:53 am
Mandi, You signed on August 29, 2010.
Your signature has been delivered to:
Congress and President of the USA
Tks dear Gregory!
 

. (0)
Sunday August 29, 2010, 12:55 pm
s&n #452 x
 

Angelika R. (144)
Wednesday September 1, 2010, 3:10 am
Thanks Greg, great work as usual! Of course I had read the article, signed and noted this post upon appearance, but just wanted to wait till the star bank reopens. Sorry I am late for that reason.
Besides any news on drilling for oil, what I personally have been waiting to hear in the news is some more deatils on all the mineral treasures they discovered several weeks ago. That was breaking news then, however no more mention ever since... I wonder WHO will be grabbing for those riches first..
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Wednesday September 1, 2010, 8:59 am
Thank you Angelika, but please don't go to so much trouble just to greenstar me even though I appreciate such extraordinary kindness. I've not seen anything further yet re the mineral deposits, but if they are there to the tune of a trillion as claimed, we both know the answer. I hope to God uranium is not one of the minerals, because if it is, the security and intelligence gang will insist we have to maintain control of Afghanistan to keep it out of the hands of Iran, etc.
 

Milena K. (244)
Wednesday September 1, 2010, 10:59 am
Thanks Gregory. Very well said! Signed.
 

Nadia -currently inactive- (8)
Friday September 3, 2010, 12:15 am
wow
those are some huge numbers.
signed
 
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