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Corporate Billionaire Koch Brothers Fund Tea Party and Right Wing War on Govt, Obama, Progressives


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: corporate power, conservative fronts, corruption, propaganda, politics, lies, media, news, government, dishonesty, Libertarians, Tea Party, usa, constitution, elections, economy, obama, candidates, crime )

Gregory
- 1487 days ago - newyorker.com
RED-HOT ALERT FROM MSNBC: New Yorker magazine, an icon serving wealthy elites nationwide has released an authoritative report exposing the covert war funded by the Koch brothers rivaling the overt war by Rupert Murdoch via Fox News. MUST READING!



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Cal Mendelsohn (992)
Tuesday August 24, 2010, 9:17 pm
Absolutely shocking!
I had no idea--As I often say, it's time to boycott the boycotters and expose the scoundrels too!
As the article says:
The Republican campaign consultant said of the family’s political activities, “To call them under the radar is an understatement. They are underground!” Another former Koch adviser said, “They’re smart. This right-wing, redneck stuff works for them. They see this as a way to get things done without getting dirty themselves.” Rob Stein, a Democratic political strategist who has studied the conservative movement’s finances, said that the Kochs are “at the epicenter of the anti-Obama movement. But it’s not just about Obama. They would have done the same to Hillary Clinton. They did the same with Bill Clinton. They are out to destroy progressivism.”

Thanks Gregory!
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Tuesday August 24, 2010, 9:17 pm
This article connects the dots to help us understand HOW ultra-conservative corporate billionaires -- in this case the Koch brothers -- manipulate tens of millions into supporting their merciless greed with attacks on Big Government, Regulation of Corporations, Taxes on the Wealthy, Social Security, Environmentalism, Obama and Progressives.
 

Cher C. (1469)
Tuesday August 24, 2010, 9:37 pm


You cannot currently send a star to Gregory because you have done so within the last week.


Thnx hun!

 

Cal Mendelsohn (992)
Tuesday August 24, 2010, 9:42 pm
Please forward this to all of your fiends, anyone who notes this! This should be front and center for all to see and read!!

Thanks again Gregory!
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Tuesday August 24, 2010, 10:06 pm
Cal, I am profoundly grateful that a frequent article poster of your caliber has called for forwarding and readership of this article. It speaks volumes of your character and your consistent efforts to insure Care2 readers get important information. I'm truly proud to call you friend!
 

Ness F. (211)
Tuesday August 24, 2010, 10:46 pm
Thanks Gregory....all I can say at this point...What a wicked web we weave!"Koch Bros! " Very interesting read indeed!
You cannot currently send a star to Gregory because you have done so within the last week.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday August 24, 2010, 10:56 pm
Very interesting article, thanks Cal and Gregory. Some days when I read articles like this one, I remember the saying "Scottie Beam Me Up" !! I think I am ready to go too. Knew a little bit about the Koch boys but not this much.
 

Hugh M. (75)
Tuesday August 24, 2010, 11:19 pm
It's just amazing to think that such people, with such a family background, could have the money to have an enormous influence on the minds of the gullible, using the skills in deceptive communication that have been developed to a high level by the advertising, publicity and propaganda industries. Their only aim, to falsely convince the people of the world and in particular the United States that our lives are not in danger and the conclusions of the bulk of reputable scientists are false. It is tantamount to supporting the death of millions and eventually billions worldwide as a result of neglect of true governmental responsibility.
Such people are a far bigger threat to America than any foreign government ever could be.
 

Roseann D. (178)
Tuesday August 24, 2010, 11:25 pm
A prime example of the filthy rich( filthy for so many reasons) getting the gullible and naive to be their pawns.
 

Deborah B. (65)
Tuesday August 24, 2010, 11:27 pm
Thank you, Cal. As a daily devotee of MSNBC for at least 5 hours, I just got wind of this evil cabal and your sharing this detailed account of the Koch brothers and all entities that have and continue to surround their most undesirable legacy is a true gift. I will return to this again to soak in more of the horror and gladly share this with others. Great reporting and great sharing, Cal!
 

Deborah B. (65)
Tuesday August 24, 2010, 11:30 pm
My apologies to Gregory - I didn't notice that Cal had sent this but you, Gregory, are the originator of sending out the alert and detailed article. Thank you, Gregory!!!
 

Care For All (46)
Tuesday August 24, 2010, 11:46 pm
Wiow. Thank you Gregory.

We must fight political and corporate corruption. Here are a few resources:


1. OpenSecrets.org - find how much your Senators and Representatives have received from corporate interests here:
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/index.php

2. MAPlight.org - http://maplight.org/ MAPLight.org makes connections between money and politics transparent, to help citizens hold their legislators accountable. It tracks money and influence in the U.S. Congress and the California legislature, with more states to come.

3. Corporate Crime Reporter:
http://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/

4. ProPublica: http://www.propublica.org/about/contact/
ProPublica produces “journalism that shines a light on exploitation of the weak by the strong and on the failures of those with power to vindicate the trust placed in them.”

And for the oil and energy industry:

5. DIRTY ENERGY MONEY:
http://dirtyenergymoney.com/
“Dirty Energy Money is an interactive website that tracks the flow of oil, gas, and coal money in U.S. Congress. Find out which energy companies are pumping their dirty money into politics and which politicians are receiving it.”

6. See also:
http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com and
Oil Change International - http://priceofoil.org/

7. MOST IMPORTANT -- CALL AND WRITE TO YOUR SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES. Confront those who are corrupt. HOLD YOUR LEGISLATORS ACCOUNTABLE. You can find your legislators’ contact information here: http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml

8. Ask your legislators to sign the FIGHT WASHINGTON CORRUPTION pledge.
http://www.fightwashingtoncorruption.com/

Please spread the word!
 

H Nick H. (1826)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 12:05 am
Makes me sick. Republicans and the christian right are doing everything they can to ruin Obama, and in turn destroying our country. If we don't stand up and fight this, then we all lose. Check with MOVEON.COM Join them or other progressive groups and fight this. It's serious.
 

gail dair (0)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 12:49 am
noted thanks
 

Rhonda Maness (602)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 3:05 am
Thanks Gregory
 

Mike Feenaughty (267)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 5:31 am
Noted.
 

pam w. (191)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 6:33 am
Is ANYONE surprised to read this?
 

Avonne L. (7)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 6:49 am
By far the best New Yorker article. Thank you for the article and for the links.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 6:54 am
WAKE UP AMERICA! IT IS ALMOST TOO LATE!
It is particularly offensive because the judges added insult to injury with some shocking class bias: the little personal privacy that still exists, the court suggested, should belong mainly to the rich.
 

Terry Y. (2)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 7:05 am
Thanks and noted. Isn't it amazing how some people with money out their ears belly-ache so much about taxes and anything at all to do with social programs and yet readily blow their loot on their fellow venturist conservative crackpots? It must be so boring in their tight small worlds that they would stoop to anything for attention.
 

Care For All (46)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 8:28 am
Here’s the link to MoveOn.org

http://www.moveon.org/about.html
Quote: MoveOn.org “brings real Americans back into the political process. With 5 million members across America — from carpenters to stay-at-home moms to business leaders – we work together to realize the progressive promise of our country. MoveOn is a service — a way for busy but concerned citizens to find their political voice in a in a system dominated by big money and big media.”

As Nick H. suggests (thank you Nick), join them or other progressive groups. You can sign up for their email alerts.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 8:30 am
Thanks Gregory, noted and shared.
 

Elizabeth S. (149)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 8:39 am
So are we all supposed to de-evolve now and live in caves to adapt to climate change? The picture in the article clearly shows his God complex...and if the wealthy elite want to follow him.well..who are the real monkeys here.
 

Elizabeth S. (149)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 8:40 am
Sorry...didn't mean to give monkeys a bad name.
 

Betsy Bee (1058)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 10:04 am
I am so thankful that this has been exposed. Thank you, Greg. Your article explains things well.
 

FulviaAway M. (331)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 10:15 am
Thank you, Gregory. I'll share.
 

Rebecca Y. (26)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 10:29 am
I didn't read the whole thing but nothing the very very wealthy do surprises me....how do you think they got so wealthy to begin with? Certainly wasn't because they had integrity or cared about those less fortunate. A great many of them trampled down the less fortunate to get where they are or were handed their money on a silver platter. Narcissism runs rampant in their realm of society...they aren't called the high and the mighty for nothing. The Tea party makes me sick...I've never liked tea to begin with....give me a hearty cup of coffee any time! It would be nice to see them tumble from power....so nice and so long in the coming. Thanks Gregory.
 

Alice C. (1797)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 10:32 am
Thank you for posting this very important information.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 10:40 am
Thank you all for taking the time to read this. MSNBC interviewed several people knowledgeable about the many corporations the Koch brothers owned or controlled. Many of their corporations are environmental destroyers, hence their opposition to "Big Govt" (ie govt regulation of their abuses), funding of claims that climate change science is a hoax, funding of attacks on Social Security and Medicare, funding campaign to renew the tax cuts for the wealthy. Many Tea Partiers are well intended, not all conservatives or Repubs are wealthy and greedy elites. I just pray they will see how they are being used and duped by people like the Koch brothers who operate covertly, and a man who shares their Libertarian views, Rupert Murdoch, who uses Fox News to achieve his own political and financial interests. I pray people will see how wealthy corporate elites are setting Americans against one another and gaining control of government, impoverishing the majority while destroying our poltical system, our democracy, our media, our environment, our lives.
 

Laura H. (888)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 10:44 am
I saw this last night and I wasn't a bit surprised!
Thank you for posting Gregory!!
 

Liliana D. (124)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 10:44 am
This article leaves a bitter taste in your mouth. Unfortunately manipulation of the masses having big corporations underground is commonly use in all countries. Thanks for making people aware Gregory.
 

Linda G. (187)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 10:48 am
When is too much enough? When will we get as passionate about electing those who truly represent us? This country is going to be destroyed if the uber wealthy get any more control... Integrity and facts are not real popular today....anger is. That's what's fueled this election cycle... again. Thank heavens for Care2 where we can unite our voices and bring the voice of reason back to the table. Each of us has a responsibility to participate in our democracy or we will surely lose it.
 

Dale Must (20)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 10:51 am
Thanks for bringing this to our attention, Greg! When I opened up the article, this pop up ad was advertising New Yorker Magazine. What a coincidence! We know what products to boycott. My old argument is the rich and wealthy magnates and politicians say they go to church and adhere to their religions. They say the creator made this Earth, but make gobs of money by despoiling the same planet. I would love to see organized religion confronted by having to make a public statement about what this story is all about-wealth and greed! Was Michiavelli correct in stating "The end justifies the means"?
 

Sally Ann G. (256)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 11:09 am
thanks for this, funnily enough my husband had mentioned something about Koch earlier in the week as we see his name frequently on PBS funding heavily
 

Kit B. (276)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 11:10 am
A week or so back I posted an article with a picture of the Wyly brothers in handcuffs, (and giggled) also multi-billionaires, and their shenanigans finally caught up with them. Next step is to do the same to each of these corporate thieves. They not only steal our money they are destroying the fabric of our society. These people hide under a cloak of patronage and philanthropy, when in fact they should be hung up as pirates.

If we really want it we can take back our America, though it means leaving behind, deeply ingrained beliefs of what America is and should be, tough to get some to realize just how well indoctrinated they are. The left/right is mostly out there to keep us distracted and fighting among ourselves, and it works.
 

Patricia Myers (77)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 11:16 am
THANKYOU SO MUCH FOR THIS INFO GLADLY NOTED!
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 11:19 am
Yes Kit, I just messaged you an invite to post a hotlink to the End Corporate Control group, which seeks to name the culprit while bridging the partisan and idealogical divide. I'm on the progressive side of it but wholly support the bridging effort because it names the enemy of us all.

Sally, yes, overtly the Koch brothers donate to such things as PBS to put a respectable face to the public, while covertly funding groups that would see PBS destroyed.
 

Heidi L. (88)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 11:35 am
Thank you for the article. This is greatly disturbing. A prime example of how the rich keep getting richer!
 

Mary Alexander (23)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 11:35 am
WOW, what a article. Thanks Gregory for having me read it. It was very interesting.
 

Catrina Velez (46)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 11:37 am
The fundamental problem is that Artcles of Incorporation not only grant too much power to these entities, but also endow them with the ability to shield the men behind them from accountability. Business conglomerates got too much power during the Industrial Revolution, and the era of railroad expansion, with its Credit Mobolier scandal, was just the tip of the iceberg. Finally, the Sherman Anti-Trust Act and otbher monopoly busting laws, plus the rise of unions, installed some checks against the worst robber baron practices. But, these controls are now out of date; big business has since learned all the loopholes, especially in the area of campaign finance, corporate takeover and insider trading.Since Obama started to tighten the reins, these guys are not only pushing their panic buttons, but loading their heavy artillery. We must be prepared for more attacks against the President; smears accusing him of being a closet Muslim, a closet gay, or even a closet atheist out to destroy the Ten Commandments are mild when compared with what the monopolists will devise. Remember, ignoramuses and naive idealists vote with just as much effect as informed and concerned citizenry. It horrifies me that somebody as ill-qualified as Sarah Palin could rise to such visibility and be listened to by so many people.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 11:49 am
There are so many of these gangs - and they are gangs, aren't they? They terrorize, threaten and bully.
Here is another group to watch out for: (and how in the world does a group like this get to be tax exempt?) -

The Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF) (formerly called the "Guest Choice Network (GCN)") is a front group for the restaurant, alcohol, tobacco and other industries. It runs media campaigns which oppose the efforts of scientists, doctors, health advocates, environmentalists and groups like Mothers Against Drunk Driving, calling them "the Nanny Culture -- the growing fraternity of food cops, health care enforcers, anti-meat activists, and meddling bureaucrats who 'know what's best for you.'"
CCF is registered as a tax-exempt, non-profit organization under the IRS code 501(c)(3). Its advisory board is comprised mainly of representatives from the restaurant, meat and alcoholic beverage industries.
 

Valerie W. (52)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 12:10 pm
Read & noted, thanks, Gregory.
 

Pamylle G. (461)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 12:20 pm
There was a segment today on Democracy Now! on this article with Charles Lewis, founder of the Center for Public Integrity (cut & paste link):

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/8/25/the_new_yorker___billionaire
 

Linda Thompson (16)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 12:27 pm
Incredible that money and corruption and corporations decide who gets elected in our FREE society!
 

donald Baumgartner (4)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 12:29 pm
Thanks for the article! JUST GOES TO SHOW, THE RICHER WANT MORE TO HELL WITH US "COMMON PEOPLE", They could find BETTER use with 100million then giving it to"right wing causes". Hopefully, the congress will let the "Bush tax cuts" EXPIRE!!
 

Toni C. (508)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 12:46 pm
Now the truth is starting to come out... finally!!! As soon as I saw this article, I forwarded it to friends. So much for "Tea Party innocence"!!
 

Dan Holoman (2)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 12:49 pm
Thanks for bringing this to light! Speaking Murdoch; John Stewart showed which a Saudi prince is his partner!
 

John Goodspeed (79)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 12:57 pm
This is certainly nothing new. When I was growing up in Michigan a couple of petty crooks had launched a pyramid scheme based company and grew it into an industrial giant. They greased the right legislative palms, barely escaped being shut down permanently, and became multimillionaires. The money from their operation has bankrolled much of the far right wing, pro-industrial groups that are significantly influencing elections even as I type these words. The Koch brothers are just two more of an ever expanding group of industrial tyrants who are taking over government as we know it before our very eyes.

Once we had a Supreme Court that really did protect the people of the United States from the kind of influence that unrestrained, really big money can exert on and over politicians, but it has been carefully stacked by the very powerful and determined industrial right wing to the point that it functions for them and not us anymore.

And if we do not put our heads together and figure a legal way to end this intolerable situation, the rich will continue to get richer, and we will become nothing more than their private serfs!
 

Jane R. (10)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 1:07 pm
The Koch brothers were trained by their father Fred Koch who was one of the original members of the John Birch Society. they learned how to reap havoc in this country while keeping their identies hidden. Great wealth and greed are the worst eniemies we have !
 

Dan Holoman (2)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 1:17 pm
We will not become serfs for long. Thomas Jefferson condoned a good house-cleaning of the government was about every 20-years. We're long over due for a "correction" of our governmental system. Who knows, those serfs may become "insurgents" and "Freedom Fighters", - the have-nots already greatly outnumber the haves!
 

Terrie Lynn Balmer (19)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 1:26 pm
If there really is a devil, these guys are it..in spades. This is why those who believe in what President Obama is trying to do to restore the cpountry, need to rally again with him as they did in getting him elected, and help out wherever they can in exposing this kind of corruption. I'm north of the boarder and a Canadian citizen, therefore, I can't vote in US elections, but I sure can help to spread the word... Last of all, as trite as it may sound, the following statement is still relevant "evil flourishes when good people do nothing.."
Thanks Greg, for posting....
 

Audrey L. (37)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 1:32 pm
Thank you Gregory. It is amazing how they donate to the arts etc to make themselves look good and cover up who they really are. What nauseating people.
 

Jackie Oneil (5)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 1:41 pm
Thankyou for this piece of information it does clear up a lot, thanks again.
 

Dan Holoman (2)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 1:43 pm
I agree!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 1:51 pm
Noted and thank you so much Gregory for bringing this article into the light so that everyone can see who is backing the Tea Party and who is backing the Republican parties agenda to do away with Social Security and every other program that helps the poor disabled and elderly . This article isn't just about those who are trying to distroy this planet with their phoney science ,its also about how these people are trying to do away with the Democratic party and Progressives by dirtying the name of Obama and his administration. These people want to see the US become a country for the rich not for the people !

A word to the wise if you want to see change in government and wish to join any group in protest make damn sure that group is looking out for your best interest and not just trying to do more damage to the Democratic party . Wolves in sheeps clothing can look very innocent ,but trust me these people will use such a person to promote their agenda. No offence to the four legged wolves, I love them !
I myself am a liberal ,I became a liberal because I thought they represented the average person in America and represented my values . I always saw the Republican party as the party for the rich who honestly could care less about the average American and they have not changed that agenda one bit .
I would be very leary of anyone who suggests that I change my values to change my government.
You don't have to give up what you believe in to make changes but you may have to get rid of a few people in your party who don't seem to hold those same values or at the very least to put pressure on them to change laws which don't represent the people .
BTW anyone who suggests you throw the baby out with the bathwater is not rational ! You might have to think about that one but I think most of you will get it !
 

Lyn C. (70)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 2:10 pm
I'm almost ashamed to say that quite a bit of this information is new to me, as I've only really gotten into the looking into the backrooms of the funding outfits. The big question is how to get this type of information out to the ones who need to hear it, and more difficult still to have them view things with a trully open mind.

Having read this article, not only did I find myself so much informed, as astounded at how much information is out there that I didn't know about!

Thanks Gregory and all of you other folks for taking the time to help keep people informed.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 2:16 pm
Kit you brought up another subject here ,what America is and should be . I would love to hear your views on that and anyone elses who would like to share, because I have the sneaky suspicion where not all on the same page even those of us who claim to be in the same party .
Maybe the problem isn't so much that we have ingrained beliefs drilled into us by our parties agenda as it is we have different values which we base those beliefs on.

I know what mine are based on and I would gladly share them if others are also willing to do the same !
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 2:25 pm
Home Sales Plunge, Corporation Defense, Credit Card Reform

http://www.care2.com/news/member/534530893/2081842
 

Care For All (46)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 2:37 pm
Here’s one place to take action:

The Fight Washington Corruption Pledge has 3 goals:

1. Amend the Constitution to protect America from unlimited corporate spending on our elections by overturning the Supreme Court’s decision giving corporations the same First Amendment rights as people.

2. Pass the Fair Elections Now Act that would provide public financing to candidates who are supported by small donors so they can compete with corporate-backed and self-funded candidates.

3. Pass legislation to end the overwhelming influence of corporate lobbyists –Lobbyist Reform Act

TAKE ACTION:

1. Sign the FIGHT WASHINGTON CORRUPTION pledge. 
 http://www.fightwashingtoncorruption.com/

Over half a million people have already signed!

2. CALL AND WRITE TO YOUR SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES and ASK THEM to sign the pledge now. HOLD YOUR LEGISLATORS ACCOUNTABLE. You can find your legislators’ contact information here: http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml


Please disseminate this widely! Thanks.
 

Ge M. (217)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 2:43 pm
It is important that people abroad also know what is happening and this does help.
 

(0)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 2:47 pm
It's so sad that money can buy power...even for the most deplorable specimens of humanity.
Intelligence and fairness have no place in the world anymore.
 

Craig Zimmerman (86)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 2:55 pm
I wonder how many of the Tea Baggers know that they are doing the bidding of corporate polluters?
 

Robert S. (115)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 3:01 pm
Maddow since the first Tea-party rallies has been talking about how these guys were quietly funding those that back the Tea Party (Americans for Prosperity) while Fox was calling it "grass root" for quite awhile. Glad to see she, Olbermann and others have stuck with it and its getting talked about and seen by more people everywhere. And thanks to Gregory for bringing it to Care2 since it seemed to fly under the radar till now.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Americans_for_Prosperity#Board_members
 

Janyce S. (12)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 3:03 pm
These guys have a terrible record and it's all about the money. They don't care for anything or anyone unless it can increase their over flowing coffers.
 

Gene L. (0)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 3:05 pm
Please tell all your friends about this!!! It must stop!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 3:06 pm
Probably not too many Craig because I think half of them don't even know what they are fighting for and just got caught up in the fervor . I sure wish more people would get educated in this country then they wouldn't be so easily swayed by people like this .
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 3:12 pm
Money is their god
 

Lyne F. (103)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 3:24 pm
It is shocking to think that the world is rules by a few old farts, who don't give a dam about democracy, have no morality, show no empathy. It's sickening! Hey Koch, if you don't want to invest your money in long overdue transformations of your polluting/world destroying industries into safe/green/future saving industries, then roll over, retire to a well hidden distant place, and leave the world alone!
 

Lyne F. (103)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 3:27 pm
Forgot to use the word "paranoid" (old farts)!!! I'm so peed, I may come back with +++rude comments!!
 

Robert S. (115)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 3:29 pm
Though Koch freely promotes his philanthropic ventures, he did not attend the summit, and his name was not in evidence. And on this occasion the audience was roused not by a dance performance but by a series of speakers denouncing President Barack Obama. Peggy Venable, the organizer of the summit, warned that Administration officials “have a socialist vision for this country.”

Five hundred people attended the summit, which served, in part, as a training session for Tea Party activists in Texas. An advertisement cast the event as a populist uprising against vested corporate power. “Today, the voices of average Americans are being drowned out by lobbyists and special interests,” it said. “But you can do something about it.” The pitch made no mention of its corporate funders. The White House has expressed frustration that such sponsors have largely eluded public notice.

"An advertisement cast the event as a populist uprising against vested corporate power. “Today, the voices of average Americans are being drowned out by lobbyists and special interests,” it said"
In this, above lies the insidiousness (Rovian) way of couching themselves as the opposite of what they are. Tragically too many in this country a sucked right in. The GOP and its long term plan to render impotent our only representation (Fed Gov.), and its ability to act on our behalf, has been sold to America as "saving us" from big bad Gov... since Reagan. Our elected Gov may suck. But total Corporate control will be the loss of representation of any kind by the common person. If the Tea Party Repubs gain control this time with a Campaign of no ideas but cut taxes to feed the rich... stick a fork in us.
 

Robert S. (115)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 3:33 pm
Age has nothing to do with what these people are doing. Curb the ageist slander. You can't fight ignorance with ignorance.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 3:42 pm
Lyn C, for all I thought I knew when I first started on Care2 about a year ago, I'm astonished by all I've learned since, a great deal of it as a result of reading the posts and comments etc of other Care2 members, and some of my views have shifted as a result. I say thank God for people like you looking more deeply into things with an open mind. It's hard when many issues are complicated and there is so much deception, spin, blindly-loyal partisan sloganeering and outright misinformation to sort through, and most of us have some sort of "bias".

Linda R I think your point is valid, and it is among the key reasons it is highly difficult for rational, decent and thoughtful people just to say "Let's all unite and take back our government!" I cannot help but ask "And then what will WE do with it, exactly?. Being progressive or liberal or to the left if you will, I ask this question of those I perceive as Tea Partiers or Libertarians -- or people like the poster of the article above (Sir Robert) that sfPaul posted for reasons that escape me [sfPaul, what the hell were you thinking when you posted a link to whacko investor article about the gold standard and buying or selling gold?] -- and I never get even an attempt at a partial answer.

However I do support the End Corporate Control group because, to generalize, I believe the wealthy corporate elite to be the common enemy of the vast majority of us all, whether conservative or centrist or liberal or Tea Partier or Repub or Dem or independent leaning this way or that way. And ECC obviously recognizes that. And I do think it incumbent upon all of us to find all the common ground we can, to be willing to think critically about elected representatives or candidates or Parties, to look more deeply into what is behind the controversies and issues that get us stirred up emotionally or pander to our prejudices.

So, all that said Linda, I nonethelss agree that in addition to the stuff drilled into many or most of us, there is the reality that most of us carry underlying values and beliefs that tend to lead us this way or that. I will be happy to read of yours, but must say in advance that I am swamped readying to move and simply can't lay out all my values here or be counted on to faciliate a dialogue here among those would like to engage. But here's what I can do:

-Core Value: I believe we have an outstanding constitution except that it lacks the provisions Jefferson argued were needed to keep corporations (he also referenced "wealthy merchants") under control and out of government. I also think the Supreme Court was not made subject to adequate checks and balances, witness the recent ruling unleashing corporate money into our political process and representative form of govt.

Core Value: COMPASSION. I believe the inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness extend to the economic realm, and that it is unconscionable that the top 1% in our nation have nearly half of its wealth, while the bottom 80% have only a 7% share that is falling rapidly toward zero because of tax breaks for the wealthy and their typically huge and international corporations.

Core Value: IDEALLY, A WORLD LIKE THIS SO I COULD BE AT PEACE AND NEVER AGAIN FEEL THE OUTRAGE THAT CAUSES ME TO RAISE MY VOICE TO FEROCITY: see Hugh's appeal and the Plantagon video offered by Dandelion at http://sen4earth.org/articles/more-you-can-do/hug-spiritual-trees/
 

Intz W. (29)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 3:51 pm
You know all this is shocking, horrifying and terrifying. I wrote a long comment and the internet ate it (what big brother watching!). I guess not, it was only the local satellite program and my modem. But my final message was what are we going to do to change the ordinary middle class and poor ideas of what is right for them and the country. Koffee Klatches?? or a new slogan that they can get behind like Yes, we can! which won't work now because of all the things Obama has not been able to carry through, mostly because of the Republican obstructionists. We must do something big, we can let these right wing libertarians co-opt the political process anymore. How do we get everyone on our side, how do we counter the attacks of socialism, by calling the others fascists, which I know they are, but I don't think this will work. I'm not a person who has ever thought so deeply into political philosophy especially in reaction to other political philosophy, but it is time to do something. I just don't know what. I am looking to Gregory, Cal and Kit who seem to be able to take this to a deeper level to talk about some possible solutions. I know we need really good advertisements, I hope someone is working on that too. Thanks, Gregory and Cal for letting us know about the depth of this issue.
 

helen s. (0)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 3:56 pm
Give me a break!!! George Soros doesn't support his political friends?? Talk about a slanted article!!
 

Jacqueline S Wolf Heart (74)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 4:13 pm
SHOCKING!!Then again nothing should surprize me anymore!!Thank you Gregory,This should be Front on political news!!THIS IS HORRIBLE,I will spread the word!!
 

Kathy B. (98)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 4:13 pm
I've known of the Koch brothers infamy for quite awhile now, there was an article not long ago (tho not as in depth as this one) that had people declaring they would boycott Brawny & Lycra I'd guess the Koch brothers haven't even noticed.

Craig, any people of the Tea Party deny their group is anything but a grass roots operation and are very vocal in that denial. They have unfortunately been duped by their masters (Fox news et al) into believing their masters are absolutely right. I'm hoping that when a few of them find out their 'TV god' is partially owned by a Saudi prince that they will begin to question their faith, but I'm not holding my breath.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 4:13 pm
Intz, honestly you are doing it right now: LOOKING MORE DEEPLY, THINKING, ASKING QUESTIONS. Sure, consider the views of leaders you think have EARNED your trust, take such actions as you can, BUT ABOVE ALL GET THE INFO YOU NEED TO FORM YOUR OWN GOOD JUDGEMENTS. If all of us do that, and nothing more, we would make huge strides in achieving a govt of, by and FOR the people, and greater mercy for all the life this earth sustains.
 

linda b. (190)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 4:14 pm
Noted Thank you Gregory.
 

Care For All (46)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 4:23 pm
Take a look at the COFFEE PARTY MOVEMENT:
http://www.coffeepartyusa.com/content/about-us

Quote from their website: "We demand a government that responds to the needs of the majority of its citizens as expressed by our votes and by our voices; NOT corporate interests as expressed by misleading advertisements and campaign contributions.”

Is anyone familiar with the Coffee Party Movement?
 

Sue D. (156)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 4:32 pm
Thank you so much Gregory, for posting this article. It was a long read, but well worth it. It points out volumes of facts and information that will help sort-out the intents and backing of many 'think-tanks', political groups and even 501 non-profits that are funded and controlled by the Corporate Wealthy. Linda R, I agree with you. I have often seen posts that seem to conflict with the author's own stated beliefs and values that should support their views. I too, would willing share mine with those willing to do the same.
 

Robert S. (115)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 4:34 pm
"supporting" is not the issue. What they support and how, with how much, and how quietly they have been about doing it is the focus of this article along with denials of the Koch's having funded them at all.... The ariticle dispels as lie the notion of the Tea party being grass root in origin. If this alone were what is exposed here, it would be worth the ink. The shear amount that has been pumped into the deception that is the Tea-party and the attacks on Obama are newsworthy. Go read articles about Soros if you like but make sure they are as simply factual as is this article. Pointing out facts is not slanted in itself and much has been written about Soros. Its now time the facts were known about the Koch brothers. Long past time in IMO.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 4:35 pm
CareForAll, thank you for your excellent contributions here and elsewhere.
I posted an article about the Coffee Party not long ago that was well received, perhaps you will find some of the comments useful in answer to your question.
 

Care For All (46)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 4:37 pm
Thank you Gregory.
 

Yvonne White (232)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 4:37 pm
Poor mis-understood Billionaires.. even the Devil needs financiers!;) It really helps if you don't ask too many questions or have any morals what-so-ever!:)
 

. (0)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 4:54 pm
Good to Know, and not surprised, just more signs of the times....
 

Robert S. (115)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 4:54 pm
diZerega believes that the Koch brothers have followed a wayward intellectual trajectory, transferring their father’s paranoia about Soviet Communism to a distrust of the U.S. government, and seeing its expansion, beginning with the New Deal, as a tyrannical threat to freedom. In an essay, posted on Beliefnet, diZerega writes, “As state socialism failed . . . the target for many within these organizations shifted to any kind of regulation at all. ‘Socialism’ kept being defined downwards.”

Until now... any attempt to keep business from hurting, robbing, poisoning us, is seen as socialist along with any social safety net along with any health insurance reform.
 

Cal Mendelsohn (992)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 4:58 pm
Gregory, what a great response by everyone here at Care2. It would also be great if those who can cross-post this to Facebook, Twitter, and other sites to spread the word on this!
 

Eternal Gardener (743)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 5:04 pm
Good on you for posting this, Gregory! Oh how I wish that money loses it's value altogether in this world, then they'll come out as the most ill-equipped human beings in every facet of real life i.e.; morally, socially, psychologically etc....! Seriously, how low can one go ethically and I can't help but wondering where it went wrong with people like this, but I guess that's a bit of a chicken or the egg question, you'll never find a satisfyingly conclusive answer... nature/nurture?
 

Bryan S. (100)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 5:05 pm
The motto of "greed is good" is getting pretty tarnished lately, so people like the Kochs put more effort into creating a fake movement against a big socialist bogey-man.
 

Robert S. (115)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 5:08 pm
let's say your dad founded a really big oil and chemical company. Let's say just for the sake of argument that it's the biggest privately-held oil and chemical company in the whole world, the second largest privately-held company of any kind in the whole country. And because your dad founded that company, and because dad's will was awesome, you and your brother are now tied in the rankings for the ninth richest men in America USA, USA. If those were your circumstances, what would make sense is that you, as the head of a giant oil and chemical company you inherited from your dad, you would do things like trying to stop the government from limiting greenhouse gas emissions. You live for greenhouse gas emissions. You'd be trying to make sure there was no tax on fossil fuels. You'd be trying to prevent chemicals like formaldehyde from being labeled as causing cancer. You make many, many millions of dollars after all from formaldehyde. You'd be doing all of these things because they would be good for the bottom line of the business you inherited from dear old dad. Now, chances are if you're sitting at home watching this show right now, you probably did not inherit a giant oil and chemical company from dad. I'm very sorry. But the brothers who did, Charles and David Koch of Koch Industries they have done all those things that I mentioned. They've done that advocacy and service of their company's bottom line, through the company, through Koch Industries. But they've also funneled a ton of money into organizations with really innocuous sounding names, groups like Citizens for a Sound Economy. Who's against that? Or Citizens for the Environment sounds like hippies. There's also David Koch's latest venture, Americans for Prosperity. Who's against prosperity? All of these groups have been started or funded by the Koch Brothers and they just happen to serve the financial interests of Koch Industries. Last summer, we discovered it was groups like Americans for Prosperity that were largely behind all of the supposedly organic grassroots tea party rallies around the country. They were paying for the buses, organizing the speakers, putting together training kits for attendees, making talking points, designing the Web sites all that stuff. However legitimate the personal fervency of the activists, tea partiers who attended these rallies, particularly the early ones, were essentially instructed to rally against things like climate change legislation by billionaire oil tycoons. But it turns out that in addition to fighting against all of that stuff specifically related to the oil and chemical industry, which make sense because that's where they got dad's money from, the Koch brothers have also been bankrolling efforts to reduce social services in America, to defeat health reform, to defeat the economic stimulus package for the economy. These are things that may have some vague connection to the bottom line of Koch Industries. But mostly, they show the Koch brothers are pursuing an agenda that is beyond just their own narrow, if very rich, corporate self-interest. They have an interest that is hardcore ideological, hardcore conservative. And dad's money to pursue that agenda, it turns out, goes a long, long way.
 

Mark H. (28)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 5:08 pm
Awesome...I love the New Yorker....although the cartoons aren't as funny...probably me....Thanks for this article!
 

Robert S. (115)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 5:11 pm
Worth repeating

However legitimate the personal fervency of the activists, tea partiers who attended these rallies, particularly the early ones, were essentially instructed to rally against things like climate change legislation by billionaire oil tycoons.
 

Tamila F. (3)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 5:15 pm
Thank you for the heads up
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 5:30 pm
Thank you Robert and Cal for selflessly going beyond the call of duty to get this story read and understood!

If only people like the Koch brothers were not among the reasons so many are so disgusted with political and governmental affairs that getting greater readership of an article in Politics & Gov were possible!

Beyond Environment to World and Animals and Human Rights and more, there is not a category or cause people on Care2 care about that is not adversely impacted by the likes of the Kochs, nor a single individual not directly impacted by their covert and deceptive pursuit of greed.

However, a number of the comments and personal messages I've received tell me that the FACTS laid out in the New Yorker story and retold by MSNBC have awakened many or added to the depth of their understanding, and so WE CAN ALL FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT.
 

Alicia v. (181)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 5:33 pm
Thanks Gregory very much. I am sharing this article.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 5:41 pm
Kudos for airing this. I'm forwarding it to everyone I can. It's all about "following the money." I was wondering how this all got started.
 

anne barusta (0)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 6:13 pm
Thanks Gregory
 

Penelope P. (222)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 6:46 pm

KOCH "fighting for the economic freedoms that made our nation the most prosperous society in history" is evidently an intelligent man- It is a pity he never seems to have realised that it was the gun and smallpox and the accident of landing on one of the richest and most fertile lands in the world and being able to exterminate it's occupants had much to do with subsequent prosperity
 

Penelope P. (222)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 6:59 pm
Koch does have a point which his own activity with his companiies and with the Tea party and with Americans for prosperity proves- Government can be subverted- Whether or not bigger givernmat is the answer is one worth considering.
The power of a totalitarian state may be to be feared with Gulags and extermination throughj sudden executions and purges but it may be worth looking at the fate of Martin Luther King and John Lennon and even the Kennedy's as a sort of parallel as to what happens to people in the world's leading democracy one could throw in Lincoln for luck.

In the place of gulags one could consider the amount of people being poisoned on the treadmill of dangerous food Frankoplants etc,dangerous furnitureFormaldahyde,lack of clean air,benzine etc,poisoned water via pesticides,fertilizers,and other petroleum derivatives,lack of jobs and money due to what Koch is advocatting as he cuts off "socialistic measures' like regulation of pollutionwith the polluter paying not the citizens in terms of their lives,
Also the sort ofirrational money draining wars,that the petrol barons require.which are draining the economy and killing Americans as well as innocent citizens of other countries.
 

Russell Smith (18)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 7:15 pm
Billionaires versus poor people. Even match?
 

Robert Tomlinson (65)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 7:29 pm
Just think of all those Tea Party members who have been persuaded that they are standing up for America by supporting thugs such as these. In actuality....they are working against America's and their own best interests.
 

Debbie G. (314)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 7:34 pm
Thanks for bringing this to my attention Gregory. I had never heard of these guys, but they're obviously not good.
 

Magdalena M. (0)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 7:45 pm
They are obviously not good, Debbie. When I saw Stalin's name involved.....wow it is very bloody money.
Stalin was just another Hitler. He killed millions of people. His hands will stay bloody forever. Whoever was with him was a bloody murderer also. Nothing to be proud of. They stole money from aristocracy and took for themselves, then they were stealing from regular people etc... etc.... This is how some got rich.
 

Care For All (46)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 7:47 pm
I'd like to second Cal's comments:

"Gregory, what a great response by everyone here at Care2. It would also be great if those who can cross-post this to Facebook, Twitter, and other sites to spread the word on this!"

So, to all who know how, please CROSS POST THIS TO FACEBOOK, TWITTER, and other sites! It's such an important topic.

Topic: Corporate Billionaire Koch Brothers Fund Tea Party and Right Wing War on Government, Obama, Progressives

Article: Covert Operations: The billionaire brothers who are waging a war against Obama. The New Yorker, August 30, 2010.

Here’s the LINK:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=all#ixzz0xfxJXs9S
 

HELEN V. (51)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 8:00 pm
Gregory thank you this information was very significant. Unfortunately the world economy is currently run by people like the Kochs and similar corportations. I have found in my experience that the economists in general are the most narrow minded unrogressive academics of all.
They talk about their models which by the way are only theory and growth. Why is the cure to an economic crisis growth and more spending. It is the cure for these corportations so they can line their pockets more, not necessarily for us .
More jobs can be created especially for the small businessman and itradesmen, if we didn't spend as much. By taking our shoes to the shoemakers, are clothes to dressmakers etc, we recycle our clothes and support our fellow citizens. We save in this manner and the small middle man gains. We also save valuable resources.

We have power over these corporations- we don't need to buy their products, we can make our own laundry soaps, perfumes if we have to! - care2 has so many tips on these. We are incompetent or dependent. We do have a choice and we do have power only we do't see it because fear and insecurity that has been instilled in us.

Obviously we can only curbiour spending and consumption- and not stop it entirely but even reducing it will be make a positive impact both for the environment and make these corporations rethink their policies.

If we conintune to let these global corporations run our lives without any reaction from us, we have every right to be frightened. I want to take control of my life and my future and do not want to play the big coporations' ball game with their set of rules because in this way I am sure to lose.

 

Bonnie A. (76)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 8:13 pm
Gregory, thanks for the article! There great strength was that they could do all this crooked evil stuff in stealth. Jane Mayer's New Yorker article and Jim Hightower's article in his "Lowdown" have brought them into the light and now we can watch them. It is more important now than ever that we get a Constitutional Amendment to make the Bill of Rights only open to bodily people not corporations. If not and the Corporations want Rights they should also get the Responsibilities of Persons--like Jail!
 

Kathy Chadwell (367)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 8:47 pm
Koch Industries owns Brawny paper towels, Dixie cups, Georgia-Pacific lumber, Stainmaster carpet, and Lycra, among other products.

What else? We are peons but if we ban together we can boycott. I know I'm boycotting.

Greenpeace issued a report identifying the company as a “kingpin of climate science denial.” The report showed that, from 2005 to 2008, the Kochs vastly outdid ExxonMobil in giving money to organizations fighting legislation related to climate change, underwriting a huge network of foundations, think tanks, and political front groups.

I may greatly disagree with GreenPeace on their stand about what terrorism is (I side with Captain Watson every time:) But GreenPeace still does some good work and I believe
them.

kkk rove's battle cry was the bigger the lie, if you keep repeating it, people will believe it:(
Thank you Gregory
Wish this jerk would do something worthwhile with his billions and save a living part of our history,
OUR WILD HORSES:(
 

Sharon S. (30)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 8:52 pm
Apalling...I hope Americans can win this one.
 

Sharon S. (30)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 8:53 pm
Appalling!
 

Kathy Chadwell (367)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 8:53 pm
Just posted it to myspace Gregory, there are many activists groups on there.
Especially during election time:)
Again thank you
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 9:12 pm
I just did a re-reading of all the comments above, and I was so encouraged to see the additions of information, perspective, distillation, personal experience, expressions of "getting it", mention of action to share with others, determination to overcome it.
Over 100 commenters and only one choosing to be blind to facts of significance to all of us, no matter what our political views or values! That's really amazing and I think it a great credit to all of you, and also to those who noted but chose not to comment perhaps for lack of a spare moment. I've messages from many who read the article and your comments!
Most recent commenters: Helen, CareForAll, Bonnie and Kathy, I loved your additions of things we can DO about this, including refusing to buy the products made by Koch industries as Kathy cited. If and when I need and can afford to buy a new carpet, you can bet it won't be Stainmaster, and whatever it is, I'd buy it at Goodwill or a garage sale (aka tag, yard, moving) and I'd say "Helen sent me."!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 9:14 pm
As neither a Democrat or Republican, I wasn't too shocked about it. Politics as usual, i.e., "Show me the money!" It always reminds me why I am an Independent. Thanx, Gregory! Noted.
 

suzanne s. (10)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 9:25 pm
follow the money and vote!
 

MICHELLE S. (101)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 10:12 pm
"Remember children, it's not polite to stare at the middle class and poor people!"
 

William K. (328)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 11:00 pm
We need to not only get the word out among the "choir," but we need to disseminate this information in tea bagger circles as well.

"An advertisement cast the event as a populist uprising against vested corporate power. “Today, the voices of average Americans are being drowned out by lobbyists and special interests,” it said. “But you can do something about it.” The pitch made no mention of its corporate funders. The White House has expressed frustration that such sponsors have largely eluded public notice. David Axelrod, Obama’s senior adviser, said, “What they don’t say is that, in part, this is a grassroots citizens’ movement brought to you by a bunch of oil billionaires.”"

And all this time I thought that it was George Soros pulling the strings!
 

Norm C. (74)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 11:15 pm
And the Kochs aren't the only ones by any means. The Wyly brothers are right there at their side. Richard Mellon Scaife has been running his own make up crap about anyone he dislikes. Then there is the "respectable" think tanks and foundations that add a veneer of credibility to the claims that black is white and night is day that are the core of the neocon scam.
 

Lynn C. (94)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 11:26 pm
Ahem..could this be a bit of the reason our president is unable to keep his campaign promises? Seems to me he has tried to do many of those things and has been consistently thwarted. And I'm sure we have no idea what he has to deal with each day just to get the emasculated versions we see.
 

Julie van Niekerk (230)
Wednesday August 25, 2010, 11:36 pm
The rulers of all countries make effort of keeping corruption very much alive.
 

Rob and Jay B. (121)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 12:06 am
Just remember these products when you shop -
Brawny paper towels, Dixie cups, Georgia-Pacific lumber, Stainmaster carpet, and Lycra "among others", but no progressive person would use paper towels or paper cups anyway, would they? And every time you buy gasoline for your guzzler you are funding either these dinosaurs or some other greedy cartel, or helping Saudi Arabia in its zeal to build mosque/missionary centers around the world. Gasoline not only pollutes our air but enriches some of the most loathesome, greedy & dangerous companies/people on this planet. Quit talking & start walking (or bussing, biking or tramming etc.) Each one of us makes a difference or not.

 

Judy C. (106)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 12:48 am
Thanks for posting this article, Gregory. It's going to get considerable exposure appearing in The New Yorker. One has to turn over lots of rocks to expose these slimey characters. They operate very much under the radar. I first read about them several months ago, and they have all the money they need to avoid any real exposure. They also have legions of ill-informed, frightened, gullible sheep who are ready and able to follow them. The more we shine the light on the Kochs the better!
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 2:01 am
We can't really comment on this matter - being Australian we do not know what is going on with America's mendacious corporate funders whose chicanery seems to be unequalled and who have made the choice between God and Mamon - Mamon being the all time winner here.
 

Arild Warud (166)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 2:06 am
Thanks Gregory.
 

Bob E. (113)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 2:16 am
The Koch brothers don’t believe in regulations to protect others or the environment… It’s all good and easy for the rich and powerful… but put them jobless and no money and no connections and see where they go… and what they would think… The rich and powerful do have connections, accountants, lower taxes and MONEY to make even MORE MONEY… Meanwhile the poor and working class struggle to make it… I suppose they will have beautiful, shiny mausoleums that we all can admire…. But they can’t take it with them… Their money and power will end… Except they will hand it down to their offspring making them rich and powerful too…
 

Melissah C. (389)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 2:32 am
thanks
 

Edward Janus (291)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 4:55 am
Edward Janus | Disability Advocate and Activist (Disabled).
Fighting for Persons with Disabilities. Making Our Voices Heard.
Doing Daily Internet Activism for Supporting Causes of Change.

Dear Gregory,

Thanks for sharing. I posted on 'ALL' my weblogs.
 

Jytte Nhanenge (64)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 4:56 am
Great post Gregory, active debate, excellent inputs, extremely important issue to understand if we are going to survive. Thank you Gregory for informing us about these horrible activities done by a bunch of greedy individuals. Hence, these specific billionaires are trying to derail the government from doing the right thing. In other similar areas Gates, Buffet, and Rockefeller are trying to poison our food chain with GMO and chemicals. It seems to me that these rich people just cannot do any right and caring action. That of course makes sense since they got their money in the first place by exploiting others.

I found a discussion about deniers of global warming on this site:
http://www.care2.com/causes/global-warming/blog/check-out-the-new-crop-of-gop-climate-change-deniers/
I referred people to your post.
 

Mike L. (59)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 5:02 am
No surprise here...

Thanks!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 7:19 am
And this whack a do, was the only survivor of that plane crash? Because he could afford the safest seat on the frikkin' plane, thats why. All I can say is, too bad for us that he lived... oops did I say that? And he had some revelation about god too, which makes him an OK guy, here comes my breakfast, excuse me.
 

patricia lasek (317)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 7:40 am
Gregory, thank you for another excellent post. I have been following the exposure of the Koch dynasty on MSNBC and was sickened by their actions. The Tea-baggers should stop watching that self-professed "rodeo clown, Glenn Beck.
 

Care For All (46)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 7:45 am
It's wonderful to see the response here. We must continue to educate everyone!

Everyday, we see articles in our local and national media about the Tea Party, especially with mid-term election primaries going on. Here's an idea:

ACTION PLAN:

1. Whenever and wherever you see a story in the media about the Tea Party, Right Wing, Republicans, War on the Government, etc, please post about the Koch brothers and the fact that they are behind it. Include the link to the New Yorker story. Feel free to adapt the following to your posts and comments:
Topic: Corporate Billionaire Koch Brothers Fund Tea Party and Right Wing War on Government, Obama, Progressives

Article: Covert Operations: The billionaire brothers who are waging a war against Obama. The New Yorker, August 30, 2010.

Here’s the LINK:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=all#ixzz0xfxJXs9S

2. CALL AND WRITE TO YOUR SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES. Inform them of the Koch brothers. Send them the link to the New Yorker article. Ask them to take action. You can find your legislators’ contact information here: http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml

3. Please continue to cross post this information everywhere -- Facebook, Twitter, blogs, all of your contacts, etc.

Together we are strong!


 

Care For All (46)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 8:04 am
SEE:

Voter Beware: Concentrated Corporate Power Is Creating Deceptive Elections

http://www.care2.com/news/member/864072146/2085442

 

z Buffypause o. (101)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 9:00 am
noted, thank you
 

Mj P. (43)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 9:30 am
Good morning.
I cannot find the words to sum up my feelings. Recently, I was made aware of this through a few programs on Link TV and FSTV (Free Speech TV). Democracy Now, Grit TV and Thom Hartmann...

It is difficult to focus in on an area to approach this monster situation...mainly because of its power and complexity. This regime has been in force for decades and networks the entire globe. With such magnitude and unimaginable wealth fueling (no pun intended) the cause, it seems almost impossible to resolve, correct and/or overcome.

Perhaps what we can do first is to circulate the Koch's main agenda. Knowledge is power. By exposing the true nature of theses seemingly good patrons of all aspects of society, maybe the masses or recipients of their funding can possibly overlook the gains of their particular organization and re-think their connection to them. Because they have several smokescreens on an immeasurable level, it will be most difficult to expose them. For example, their support for major universities, museums, performance centers, hospitals and research centers, it would be human nature for those administering such institutions to turn away from the truth in the name of bettering and enhancing their cause(s). Therefore, this is an immediate problem...how would these administrators and power people be able to shed their own commercial, career interests and life goals for the betterment of society, world and prevention of corruption and global devastation? To the people here on C2 and the people who have integrity and can see beyond their own agenda and acquiring wealth and materialism...it is an obvious choice because we CAN see the big picture and we understand the danger.

It is quite obvious that their doctrine is self-serving and will only enhance and sustain the small percentage of the wealthy, which make up the population. They are highly educated, ridiculously resourceful and funded and have the power to keep growing and infesting like an invasive weed on miracle grow (Human GMO's, cheeky)....Yet the problem remains that our world operates in the manner that 'he who has the gold, holds the key'.

They figured this out when they failed after several attempts to gain actual control of the government, when they experienced failed elections. The American people collectively believe that the two party system is the only way, and even when standing at the ballot booth, being faced with choosing the 'lesser of two evils' (which I have heard so many say)...they somehow stay true to the two parties. It is a common belief that if you cast a vote for someone other than Democrat of Republican, that your vote simply will not count.

With this track record, the Koch regime has figured out that power in wealth is great, and keeping the wealth limited to a fraction of the population works in the country clubs and for buying votes and politicians, but only to a degree. They have finally come to the realization, that they need people...As the article states; there were too many chiefs in their world and not enough Indians. Therefore, they have remedied the situation by breathing life into the Tea Party.

This change in direction of the effective formation of the movement is brilliant on their part. Once again, the masses have succumbed to manipulation. At the recent spike in the uprising of the Tea Party, I immediately noticed that the only true common thread in the movement was 'anger'. A neighbor gave me some information on the Tea Party. I was polite and took it while declining to go to a rally. He said, "Would you at least read it?" I replied..."Of course." Not only did I want to educate myself on their true agenda and try to comprehend the exact nature of their motivation, I believe in being courteous to my neighbors. (Luckily, for me and my woodsy nature, I am back in the wilderness with my only neighbors being bears, moose and others…but wait a minute; just for the record, I am not a “Mamma Bear”).

I went back home and read it cover to cover. It was sort of like a newspaper, complete with sponsors and ads, etc. It was so plain to me, that the ideas and issues jumped all over the place. I was hoping to see a common thread and agenda, but what I saw were desperate measures. I consider this to be the reaction to the fallout of the economy, the wars and general state of the union. Yes. Things are bad and leading to horrific. The fear is running deep and spreading, branching off into other emotions including rage. After being victims of trauma, it is human nature and critical to find the root of the problem or cause so that we can correct it, make sense of it and begin to heal. A good example of this is 9/11. Which is another issue, but the same principles applied...we were traumatized, shocked and then the government jumped on it and declared war on terrorists, Saddam, etc...This was IT! Time to go to war and get REVENGE...our citizens did not question this...they were in shock; all their psyches (collectively and individually) wanted was resolution. This would only happen if we punish the abuser, bad guys...whatever, and then we have a chance of indemnifying our previous state of being. We just want it all to make sense. So it is safe for the leaders who are choreographing these plans to proceed and even come out of it as heroes, at least as long as the PTSD is still in place, and the truth has not emerged. That part takes time.

Here we are in a parallel situation. The Koch’s need numbers...those very people who they enslave to keep their lives and systems in place...are the key to the success of their movement, hence the Tea Party. It is their agenda to provoke, inflame and incite these victims (if you will) in large numbers to carry out their plan. The scattered objectives of these worker ants are a result of the fact that they were brought to it by different reasons. Amongst them are: unemployed, underemployed, racists, homeless, without insurance, afraid...afraid of...oil spills, natural disasters, Armageddon, and a multitude of issues stemming from the words spewed out into the airwaves by those such as Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Glenn Beck and other in the employment of Rupert Murdoch...

The Tea Party is growing and the good news that we can glean from this hodge podge of emotional rage is that they are unclear, not in control of their feelings, goals and objectives. They seem leaderless. A clear example is in this article where the Koch’s deny their involvement; however, they are seeding the organization and are masterminding the whole thing. There HAS to be a problem with this. How can any organization really succeed without true direction? Then again, they are operating like the mob, which we all know has been around for God knows how many years.

I am trying to find cracks and weaknesses in this. The problem is their vast wealth and influence and the number of weak followers who will be the missing piece in their ongoing agenda.

What keeps going through my mind during the past several years is that there are SO MANY people who know this, who are intelligent enough to understand the rotting of the apple, the corruption and devastation, which is at the hands of so few, yet we continue to be victims. We have numbers, wisdom and good intention not only for our own interests, but we have the compassion for others, humanity, and the planet. So we must continue to communicate, and join together, maintaining our integrity and goals for the betterment and saving of humankind.

I will conclude (as best as possible) with this quote from the article:
David Axelrod, Obama’s senior adviser, said, “What they don’t say is that, in part, this is a grassroots citizens’ movement brought to you by a bunch of oil billionaires.”

To me, this is key....a majority of those who make up the Tea Party and other movements linked to the Koch’s, ie., people in the upper echelon of society who accept unfathomable grants for their non-profits, and various others...really do not know that they are being masterfully manipulated. If this goes according to their plan, they are most definitely disposable.

I am posting the article to my facebook (almost 800 connections...because I network my writing)....and most of the people who follow my work and who I associate with are open minded artists, educators and activists, who will share it and it will open up dialogue on the site.

Thank you, Gregory, for circulating this very important article, and hopefully, the internet will not be compromised, because that will have a huge impact on vital sites such as this.

Stay focused, realize and recognize propaganda and go forth with good conscience. We must never give up.
In Peace,
Mj


 

Mj P. (43)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 9:32 am
PS
My connections are from all walks of life...all religions and spiritual beliefs, and all countries. When posting, I will ask themt to circulate as well.
 

Al Baars (27)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 9:49 am
So which is better, government by the people, or government by the rich?

The supreme court, stacked by right wing activist judges appointed by Republicans, has decided that government by the rich is best (isn't that unconstitutional?). Current Republican hopefuls for office say they want you to belive in ______ state, or America again, but what they have in mind for our future is not what their brainwashed followers think. You betcha!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 9:50 am
Noted...thanks Gregory. Boy I gave out a lot green stars on this one!
 

Gail Lopez (65)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 10:08 am
"Justice is always naive and self-confident; believing that it will immediately win once recognized. That is the reason why the forces of Justice are so poorly organized. On the other hand, the Evil is cynic, sly and fantastically organized. It never ever has the illusion of the ability to stand on its own feet and to win in a fair competition. That is why it is ready to use any kind of means without hesitation. And of course it does - under the banners of the most noble ideas."
–Vladimir Bukovsky

Do not be foolish in believing that since the New Yorker published a very detailed and fact based account your fellow citizens will take note and act accordingly. This information, although now printed in black and white in a reputable publication, will not be read by most. There are millions of Americans who refuse to read anything with the letters N E W Y O R K anywhere in its title, unless there is a negative connotation attached to those letters. There are millions of Americans who refuse to read anything that may have a Democratic, Independent, or Progressive connection or approval, regardless of the source or supporting evidence of its facts. You need to understand what you are dealing with and proceed accordingly. It takes time, a lot of time, and all of the energy you can afford to invest to open the eyes of just one person whose life and history have been entrenched in a mindset of following, not learning.

The August 2010 primary elections offer a dismal forecast for this country. The voter turnout in the few states I checked was 15 - 35 %, sad, yes?

What can you do to increase those numbers for the upcoming September 2010 Primary Elections?

What can you do to increase those numbers for the upcoming November 2010 General Election?

Contact your local officials or political party's' offices and volunteer, ask them what would be the most effective use of your time to further your cause, your agenda.

Take a few minutes to prepare your own personal infomercial and use it whenever you're standing in the grocery line or having a cup of coffee at your local coffee house. Open the lines of communication with strangers everywhere.

"Hey, how'd your candidate do in the primary? Really? That's great! I voted for (candidates name, don't be shy) I read where (your candidate) had (insert accomplishment that we all can rally behind). You learn something new everyday (be casual, keep it light, remember you're in a relaxed social setting). Nice talking to you. Good luck in November."

Respect their time, space, and choice. Show them that you are not evil, you are not a lunatic, and you are not a fanatic.

If their response leads you to believe they did not vote in the August 2010 primary, then commiserate about how busy life can be and hope that they'll be free to vote in November. Do not lecture about the importance of the electoral process. They know, but their jobs, their kids, their own daily crisis takes priority over anything and everything.

Good luck!

 

Leslie W. (42)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 12:42 pm
I wish I could say this was surprising. Unfortunately, it isn't. Thank you very much for sharing this enlightening article, Gregory!
 

Roger Garin-michaud (62)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 12:46 pm
it's again greed against the common good, high time to stop them !
 

Catrina Velez (46)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 1:16 pm
In am surprised and a little disppointed that not much has been said in this discussion about a recent Supreme Court decision that granted the same rights as a PERSON to corporations, THUS TAKING THE TEETH OUT OF MOST CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS. There have been hardly any squawks from the American Public about this landmark decision; the media shows more interest in whether or not a president's nominee is confirmed by the Senate, and news coverage focuses on the nominee's personal life and ethnicity more than his/her party affiliation or prior experience. The only group of people who have raised even a peep of protest over this decision, which endows corporations with MORE power than articles of incorporation, are the right-to-life anti abortion fanatics, who argue that a corporation now has more rights than a fetus or an embryo. Are there any lawyers out there who would like to add their own two cents about that Supreme Court decision?
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 1:23 pm
Thank you to all who've commented and noted since I last checked in. Every comment was music to my ears and to other readers I'm sure! Special thanks to Olivia for pumping out green stars and to Gail and MjP for delving more deeply and thoughtfully into the question:
WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THIS BESIDES VIGILANCE, EXPOSURE OF CONS, AND CAREFUL VOTING?

I will noodle as to what I might be able to do in the future via Care2, mindful of Gail's comment and limits imposed on me by my upcoming move from CT to AZ and other demands.
MjP I think you've introduced an important thing to think about as relates to the Koch brothers and other wealthy elites whose donations to respected institutions, charities and orgs serve both as cover and means to buy the silence or de facto complicity of literally hundreds of thousands in the non-profit sector.
I'm personally most familiar with that process in the K-12 education sector, but increasingly see it at work in the realm of environmentalism. The most shocking example I know of is the greenwashing of Walmart by the Environmental Defense Fund. Walmart is owned by the multibillionaire Waltons. You can read a summary or details here, and also a Nation article making it clear the problem is not limited to EDF and Walmart:

SEN and GEN Condemn Environmental Defense Fund's Outrageous Greenwashing of Walmart

What especially upset me about EDF is their ongoing practice of taking huge sums from giant corporations while also soliciting donations from many individuals of modest means. They issue emails appealing for donations for high-profile causes like the Gulf or Polar Bears but do very little with it except take credit for the work of other orgs and imitate the corporate execs they serve. Big salaries, lots of costly travel promoting themselves. Examine their website as to officers and the like and you'll pick it up quickly. It's the exec suite all over again. In the meantime the orgs that are not complicit with greenwashing corporations are desparate for donations and grants and cannot match the reach of the giants like EDF. (There are exceptions of course, Greenpeace, Defenders of Wildlife, etc). I'm proud to report we learned that the SEN-GEN-Care2 campaign condemning EDF's greenwashing of Walmart cost EDF hundreds of thousands in small-donor donations, though we were unable to get enough national attention to deal a crippling blow to the $100 Million coffer EDF generates from corporations and foundations. To this day EDF says it took no money from Walmart. EDF does not disclose that Walmart strong-armed a number of it's biggest corporate suppliers into making huge donations to EDF.
Bringing this back to your main point MjP, we have to deal with the fact that the wealthy corporate elite have some millions of sub-elites in govt, politics, and the for-profit and non-profit sector. Bear in mind that the top 1% own 43% of America's wealth, but that the next 19% have 50% of its wealth. (Yes, the bottom 80% have only 7%, and that's falling fast). So there is literally an army of nearly-wealthy and highly-paid power-holders and influentials to contend with. Many of them are wannabees (wannabee wealthy) quite happy to serve the elite and they know exactly what they are doing. Others rationalize that they have no choice. Others are so absorbed in self-indulgence (etc) that they are oblivous to what they are doing to the bottom 80%. And so on.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 2:24 pm
Thank you to all who've commented and noted since I last checked in. Every comment was music to my ears and to other readers I'm sure! Special thanks to Olivia for pumping out green stars and to Gail and MjP for delving more deeply and thoughtfully into the question:
WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THIS BESIDES VIGILANCE, EXPOSURE OF CONS, AND CAREFUL VOTING?

I will noodle as to what I might be able to do in the future via Care2, mindful of Gail's comment and limits imposed on me by my upcoming move from CT to AZ and other demands.
MjP I think you've introduced an important thing to think about as relates to the Koch brothers and other wealthy elites whose donations to respected institutions, charities and orgs serve both as cover and means to buy the silence or de facto complicity of literally hundreds of thousands in the non-profit sector.
I'm personally most familiar with that process in the K-12 education sector, but increasingly see it at work in the realm of environmentalism. The most shocking example I know of is the greenwashing of Walmart by the Environmental Defense Fund. Walmart is owned by the multibillionaire Waltons. You can read a summary or details here, and also a Nation article making it clear the problem is not limited to EDF and Walmart:

SEN and GEN Condemn Environmental Defense Fund's Outrageous Greenwashing of Walmart

What especially upset me about EDF is their ongoing practice of taking huge sums from giant corporations while also soliciting donations from many individuals of modest means. They issue emails appealing for donations for high-profile causes like the Gulf or Polar Bears but do very little with it except take credit for the work of other orgs and imitate the corporate execs they serve. Big salaries, lots of costly travel promoting themselves. Examine their website as to officers and the like and you'll pick it up quickly. It's the exec suite all over again. In the meantime the orgs that are not complicit with greenwashing corporations are desparate for donations and grants and cannot match the reach of the giants like EDF. (There are exceptions of course, Greenpeace, Defenders of Wildlife, etc). I'm proud to report we learned that the SEN-GEN-Care2 campaign condemning EDF's greenwashing of Walmart cost EDF hundreds of thousands in small-donor donations, though we were unable to get enough national attention to deal a crippling blow to the $100 Million coffer EDF generates from corporations and foundations. To this day EDF says it took no money from Walmart. EDF does not disclose that Walmart strong-armed a number of it's biggest corporate suppliers into making huge donations to EDF.
Bringing this back to your main point MjP, we have to deal with the fact that the wealthy corporate elite have some millions of sub-elites in govt, politics, and the for-profit and non-profit sector. Bear in mind that the top 1% own 43% of America's wealth, but that the next 19% have 50% of its wealth. (Yes, the bottom 80% have only 7%, and that's falling fast). So there is literally an army of nearly-wealthy and highly-paid power-holders and influentials to contend with. Many of them are wannabees (wannabee wealthy) quite happy to serve the elite and they know exactly what they are doing. Others rationalize that they have no choice. Others are so absorbed in self-indulgence (etc) that they are oblivous to what they are doing to the bottom 80%. And so on.

Catrina, I'm not an attorney so I'll just say this: Campaigning to do something about the Supreme Court ruling was intense here on Care2 and by such orgs as MoveOn, Public Citizen, and so one, because we saw it for the disaster it was. In fact, it led me to launch with others a Care2 group known as March On Washington, which was reorganized and persists today as End Corporate Control. Only recently we've begun to learn of the imflammatory cases of corporate political contributions like Target. There will be more of course, but also literally hundreds of millions if not billions that will get little or no national publicity if we don't get more in-depth expose articles and reports like that of the New Yorker and MSNBC posted here. At present, the majority of today's Senators appear to me sufficiently "bought" by corporate money and power that ultimately the answer is weeding them out and replacing them with candidates having enough integrity to pass the needed legislation and commence the long-term process of gaining a constitutional amendment. To get that we truly need what I'd call a revolt having 4X the magnitude of the Tea Party. (But note, I recall a few Tea Partiers who were gung-ho to do something about the Supreme Court, and to abolish the Fed also.

FYI for those not familiar, the Federal Reserve is the for-profit corporation owned by the mega-banks we bailed out. Yes, the ones who cost millions their jobs, homes and life savings and paid themselves over $8 Billion in bonuses with bail-out money. The Fed was the product of a conspiracy of the banking cartel magnates who met in secret at an island mansion one of them owned. That's a fact, not a theory. Honest, you can research it online and find ample documentation. Check Woodrow Wilson quotes if you do. He admitted he'd been conned and said it was the worst mistake of his entire public life, one he feared would make him infamous among future generations of Americans. Look at any bill in your wallet or purse. The Fed tells Treasury how many to print. The megabanks currently pay 0.0% to 0.025% commission to lend out the money we back as taxpayers, for which they charge 3.25% interest to their most credit-worthy customers, maybe 6% to 29% to folks like most of us. They make a huge profit, the more debt they sell, the more they make. Except when people can't repay their debt. Then their ponzi scheme can collapse fast, as it threatened to do in Sept 2008. Hence the bail-out. Not to worry because now Congress passed Bank Reform? Guess again. The banks were carrying tons of derivatives that were headed to bad debt "off the books", they were not broken up by anti-trust action, and their trading in derivates was not made illegal. So, now they want us to get the deficit down by cutting Social Security benefits for little people (ie like us) while renewing the tax cuts for the rich, ie themselves.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 3:25 pm
Dear MoveOn member,
Thanks to your work on the Target boycott, millions of people now know about corporations' new power to buy elections. But here's the problem: Target's donation only came to light because of a state law in Minnesota. Under federal law, corporations can still spend money in secret to influence elections, using shadowy front groups.

How much of a problem is this? The Associated Press reported yesterday that the chamber of commerce is planning on spending so much for Republicans in this election that it constitutes a "virtual third party" in America.1 And other groups like Karl Rove's American Crossroads will spend millions more. Enough, potentially, to swing the whole election. All on behalf of secret corporate donors.

Congress has a bill—the DISCLOSE Act—that wouldn't stop these donations but would at least drag these donations out into the light by forcing disclosure of the donors behind the front groups. Republicans have blocked it once, but recognizing how many Americans are angry about the Target case, Sens. Charles Schumer and Patrick Leahy are leading a call to bring the bill back for another vote.

Can you call your senators today and ask them to support Sens. Schumer and Leahy in bringing back the DISCLOSE Act?

 

LeMoyn Salmonsen (90)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 5:13 pm
Finally someone in the corporate media has mustered the courage to step up, pull back the curtain and report what they found there. FSTV has been reporting this information for months.
 

. (0)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 5:45 pm
Thanks, Gregory, for putting this article in the mainstream. More than interesting, a must read for all. I am forwarding. Thanks to my friend, Nick, for the www.moveon.org link. It took a while but I read most of the great comments as well.
 

Cal Mendelsohn (992)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 6:26 pm
I just submitted this article to MichaelMoore.com for hopeful inclusion in their news section.
Thanks Gregory!
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 6:41 pm
Great initiative Cal! If I can cobble together the time, SEN has friends who are regular-featured bloggers on Huffington and have twice made a Care2-SEN effort the basis of their article or a key part of it. They would push hard on the motives and role of the Kochs in promoting the slogan that global warming is a HOAX. No coincidence that Genn Beck chants that on Fox, and so does Palin. It's one thing to say the science is to some extent uncertain or arguable as to magnitude and timing, but quite another to get millions of idiots chanting it's a hoax. Has all the earmarks of highly specific Rovian-style planning. "Make the lie big and keep telling it, say it's a hoax!".
 

john pierce (79)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 7:02 pm
Great article! Thanks.
 

Charlene Rush (2)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 7:11 pm
It's very simpel. I want to know the products, produced by the Koch brother, in order, that I will not buy their their products.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 7:22 pm
CHARLENE, the ones I know of are Brawny paper towels, Dixie cups, Georgia-Pacific lumber, Stainmaster carpet, and Lycra.

MARY ELLEN, pls see my comment above on Thursday August 26, 2010, 6:41 pm
 

Janet R. (34)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 8:55 pm
Thanks for the article. These Koch brothers are disgusting; they have so much money and they do use some of it to help people but only so they can pay less taxes. Their ideals are crazy. I can't believe how anti-environmental they are. Can you imagine their America? Companies would be free to do what they want. Old people would be dying in the streets from lack of food while these pigs ate whatever they fancy. I was wondering about the orgins of the Tea Party. I hope some of those people aligned with the Tea Party read this article and see how they are being manipulated.
 

Kaye S. (45)
Thursday August 26, 2010, 10:59 pm
Proof?
 

Care For All (46)
Friday August 27, 2010, 12:22 am
Look VERY CAREFULLY at who is REALLY FUNDING the Tea Party and your elections.


Voter Beware: Concentrated Corporate Power Is Creating Deceptive Elections
http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/08/voter-beware-concentrated-corporate-power-is-creating-deceptive-elections/

Do we still have a Democracy?
 

Vikram Chhabra (394)
Friday August 27, 2010, 7:45 am
I always suspected a powerful hand behind this. This article has confirmed my suspicions. Thanks Greg for posting this. I commend your efforts to keep truth alive.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Friday August 27, 2010, 10:03 am
Kaye, sorry but I'm not sure what you are asking, and of whom. If you are asking me whether the article is factual, verified, and documented, and thus whether the headline of my post is proven, yes absolutely.

In fact, if I had it to write over again and could fit it all, the headline I would say proven is this: "Sons of Oil Tycoon and Corporate Billionaire Koch Brothers Fund Tea Party and Right Wing War on Govt, Obama, Progressives, Plant Lie That Global Warming is a Vast Hoax, All to Propagate Their Self-Serving Libertarian Ideology and to Preserve and Increase Their Vast Wealth"

And there would be a subhead: "Is it Coincidence that During the Same Period That the Fox News Owned By Corporate Billionaire Libertarian Rupert Murdoch Has Pursued Almost Exactly the Same Agenda, Deploying Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck and Others?"

Obviously, Kaye, I think it no coincidence, but I don't think wei'll find proof in the form of an email exchange or videotape of Rupert Murdoch and the Koch brothers saying 'Yes, let's do this, and let's get word to Rove and our Repub friends in Congress so they can do their part! Tea anyone?".


 

Past Member (0)
Friday August 27, 2010, 11:00 am
Greg I most certainly agree with you that we need to stop the large corporations from taking over our government by stopping these lobbiests . So we are on the same page there .
I would also go on to say I believe this country should not engage in any more of these wars for oil and those secret assinations or kidnapping foreign leaders who wish to remain autonomous countries and not be controled by the US ,,Venezuela for one , Nicaruagua , Irac ,Afganastan is another one and there is a long list .The military industry should be downsized ,we give way too much of tax payers money to fund these senseless wars and corruption .
I believe we should make sure that church and state are seperate ,which to me lately it is not as there is much talk of Christianity in the Republican party when they defend their bills .I know they are just using these right wing christians to promote their own agenda which is the corporate one.
Lastly I don't want to see Social Security touched or any of the social programs that help the elderly ,disabled and poor . We can curtail abuses in these programs without throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Sue D. that is exactly what I am talking about ! I too read posts with conflicting views writen by the same person or people which makes me wonder what they truly do believe in . This is why I say be careful if your going to join a group and make sure you know whose backing that group .

I do however know we do have to join together and do something to stop the corporate takeover of our government. They already started when the Republican judicial system voted to make corporations people so they can pour as much influence into politics and candidates as they want. This is un- Constitutional and we should get a petition out to Obama to fight this law under the laws in our Constitution. If our votes don't count then we have lost the whole ball game before the first ball was ever tossed so we need to start there before the 2012 election .Time is running out ! Anyone here who knows how to start a petition I would be greatful and the first to sign it.
 

Kathleen C. (18)
Friday August 27, 2010, 1:32 pm
I am sorry to say that this is just one more of the greed and power that money holds over over our government I wish I could say I was surprised. It has been going on for decades and will not stop until we the people take to the streets and demand the changes in government that are necessary for this this kind of corporate control of our government process. Voting is not enough. Because our candidate are funded by big business. Until this practice stops we the people will never have a say in in our democracy or our goervenment
 

Michael Masley (5)
Friday August 27, 2010, 2:50 pm
signed, noted and not surprised
 

Trish K. (93)
Friday August 27, 2010, 3:05 pm
This American Taliban take over seemed to be a bit to complex for the followers who seem so ignorant and angry.
Like a fart in a clown suit. It just smelled a little funny.
There is a light at the end of the tunnel and it is the Truth that will set us free.
 

Laurie IS AWAY S. (128)
Friday August 27, 2010, 4:03 pm
Took me quite a while to read through this. Excellent article and excellent comments Gregory!!! Even just a balancing of the scales would be a nice place to start right now. I fear that when you hit AZ, your 3rd core value is going to be stressed a bit and you are going to want to raise your voice to ferocity!! But I know that Suzanne will be here to keep you in check.HA Just kidding ~~~big smiles :)
 

Peggy S. (16)
Friday August 27, 2010, 4:51 pm
thanks
 

Suzanne S. (760)
Friday August 27, 2010, 5:28 pm
Well Laurie, I don't know that I could ever keep Gregory in check! lol... maybe I'll just join in the ferocity ~ I can roar pretty loud when I want to too :)
 

Penelope P. (222)
Friday August 27, 2010, 5:47 pm
Looking at this I cannot forbear thinking about interesting historical facts which should be made known to Tea Party people
1 The teaparty and subsequent revolution was as much about the freedom to go West and landgrab from the Indians as the cruelty of the British government in asking them to pay taxes for services.that the British public was providing for them
2 The British were protecting the Indian lands to some extent.

3 It was the French who were largely responsible for the success of the Revolution.

4 In most places at that time the majority not only had no vote but were expected to pay taxes without representation.
5 The USA did have some government representation on the premises.
6 The Revolution was lost by Britian ironically for the same reason that Vietnam and probably Iraq for instance have been lost by the USA- Control and command was situated too far from where the war was being conducted
 

C. G. (1)
Friday August 27, 2010, 5:47 pm
noted and thanks
 

Laurie IS AWAY S. (128)
Friday August 27, 2010, 5:48 pm
Yes Suzanne, I believe that you & Gregory will make a formidable team which is sorely needed out here in the wild wild west!! :) :)
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Friday August 27, 2010, 6:24 pm
Laurie, don't get me going on the damned uranium corporations and MMS all set to poison the entire Grand Canyon drainage basin with radiation! Not here on this thread anyway. Not unless you get some information the Koch brothers own some uranium mines or companies that build nuclear plants. Wouldn't surprise me to learn that they did, the polluting con-artist SOBs. Hmm, now you got me wondering what billionaire(s) own or have a big stake in uranium and nuke-building corporations, and just what fronts and politicians THEY are funding! There has been a behind-the-scenes effort by some in Congress to give tens of billions in subsidies to for-profit nuke builders and operators. Obama asked for $80 billion but it got quiet when the whole climate and energy bill stalled out.
 

Penelope P. (222)
Friday August 27, 2010, 6:24 pm
There are also some interesting economic but fairly random facts worth bearing in mind. They are like all facts open to debate

1 The essense of Capitalism is accumulation. From very early on when an English speaker spoke of "a man of substance" he meant a wealthy man . This need to accumulate comes partially from people all doing what they believe they are expected to do and doing it because they know that they will be respected if they do it.
2 The ubiquitous quality of the cumulative urge manifests itself to a large extent in"keeping up with the Joneses"

3 Accumulation is largely done through getting something cheaper and selling it for more-cf the nasty man's apple story". After that getting the goods or whatever one wants.again as cheaply as possible.
The gap between what one sells what one has got for and what it costs one is "profit" or what one has accumulated on the deal. This deal also includes the selling of ones own labor as well as the buying of that of of others in order to produce.. We are therefore all in the accumulation game.if we live in a Capitalisti economy.
4The human being is in fact fairly flexible when it comes to needs and habits.This applies to accumulation too.

Anthropology provided some very interesting examples of how humns varied and this due to voyages etc from the C16 on led to the idea that the way people lived had a strong element of choice in it. This choice extended not only to what they considered "neccessary" but also how they allotted their group resources iether sharing or accumulating ,also how they organised their government and sexual practices everything from a strict authoritarian regime to an almost complete anarchism of a communal sharing variety came into evidence. It was the conviction arising from the variety of display provided that fired the French Revolution to some extentand even to some extent inspired the American one. What became evident was rthat things as they were were not inevitable.

5The British contributed to thsi conviction by beheading their king.and installing a republuic for a short time-They also illustrated when doing this how deeply entrenched self intererest and corruption could be whatever the system.

6Probably the most important fact is that more rather than less government control can be beneficial in some ways used in a capitalist situation. The Socialism current in Capitalist Swedemn now proves that the sharing of resources and centralised control can work.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Friday August 27, 2010, 6:58 pm
And Suzanne, you use whatever voice you like, though you know I think it's your kind of hope-renewing and peace-giving cheerfulness in pursuit of cause(s) that the world needs most these days. I mean, look, read all these comments, a lot of people "get it", in spades, and they know what we're up against. Ferocity may set more people climbing the mountain, but this one will take us all a lifetime, and we ain't gonna ever make it to the peak without hope and joy along the way. Heck, here I am singing to the choir again. Like I said on my profile, truly, sometimes I'm the stupidest person I know.
 

Gorilly Girl (339)
Friday August 27, 2010, 7:01 pm
Naaaaaa u aint stupid....people are just hardheaded and stuck in thier ways and thats the way they are...including me...lol

Big Gorilly hugs
 

Robert S. (115)
Friday August 27, 2010, 7:15 pm
https://secure.colorofchange.org/turnofffox/sticker/
 

Robert S. (115)
Friday August 27, 2010, 8:17 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/25/media-matters-fox-ad-reject-republican_n_693887.html?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=082510&utm_medium=email&utm_content=NewsEntry
 

roseann s. (220)
Friday August 27, 2010, 9:43 pm
IT'S TIME!
 

Bernard Cronyn (31)
Saturday August 28, 2010, 1:35 am
In the USA and here in the UK on the day that wealthy individuals and companies where encouraged to and permitted to donate large sums of money to political parties, democracy died.

Human beings have an immense capacity for believing steadfastly in what they like and an infinite capacity for rejecting, ignoring or modifying the facts that are unpleasant or that conflict with their entrenched mind-set. “We are the world’s leaders in democracy and justice” is hammered into our skulls from the time we can talk. Yes we have a better system than some countries in the Middle East Asia and Africa but it is not the perfect systems we are brainwashed into believing it is. The selling and buying of politicians, judges, district attorneys, policemen, city counsellors and mayors is so much part of our society that unless a particularly over-the-top example like this emerges we all quietly ignore it. We all know that justice is applied totally differently to the rich than it is to the poor. We know deep down that regarding a local issue the big corporation that donated 10 million dollars will get a more favourable decision than the 10 000 voters who signed a petition but we buy into this fairy tale because our brains have been programmed to do just that. There are countries like some of the Scandinavian where no political donation over a certain size is permitted – and it works better than our systems. This planet has arrived at a cross roads caused by an excess of population, resource usage, waste, pollution, selfishness and the inability to think farther than the next dividend, bonus, new car or football match. If you think our present system of ersatz democracy will rescue us you probably also believe in leprechauns, lottery wins and sky fairies. We need a drastic fundamental change in our democratic system and the first one should be the outright banning of any donation by a company or individual over the sum of $5000.
 

Rita A. (10)
Saturday August 28, 2010, 4:13 am
Thank you, Cal, for taking on the "W" questions so well. No, not the questions re. George W. Bush, poor, dumb puppet whore of our billionaire rulers, the greed and power addicted few who have mangaged so well the coup de etat in our M.I.C.T.'ed society (Military/Industrial/Corporate/Terrorism complex of which Pres. Ike warned us as left office).

The "W" questions you've so well taken on in this article are the classic underpinnings of journalism: who, what, where, when. And, I'll just throw in a theory of mine on the most difficult to answer of all the "W" questions: the yuestion of Why.

My theory is quite simple, as am I in a whole lot of ways. What I see here is addiction, in this case to greed and power. And, where (another "W" question) does this addiction come from? Unfortunately, as the history or manking has shown us, over and over again, in selfishness and the capitol sin of all sins, PRIDE.

For years I've moaned as I've heard persons of all and no political perusasions push the "me" philosophy: more self esteem, more self confidence, more self control leading to more control over others, etc., etc., etc.. And, strange as this sounds, I feel very,very sorry for the Koch's and all their cohert billionaire ruler buddies. They are failures of the first order, failing to recognize that CONTROL IS AN ILLUSION. The only way to measure any person's worth is simple - see how little they care about acquiring money and the things money can buy, and how willing they are to back away from any and all power.

My hero to end all heroes? A man/God named Jesus Christ, who did not have two coins to rub together, and booted the money grabbers out of the temple. And then He gave up all power, all compromising with the power elite,and gave himself up to be tortured and humiliated and hung to die on a cross, not thinking of himself, his 'self' this, that, and the other thing. But rather thinking about us, all of us in the world.

Yeah, I confess - I'm a humanitarian, and the Prince of Peace is my hero. And his real McCoy followers are my heroes too. And so are the beautiful people in the world who seek God, Allah, The Great Spirit, etc.(a.k.a.good, peace and justice for all), are compassionate givers who pay out their money through taxes and more taxes willingly, so that their human brothers and sister can eat and survive with all the basics (i.e. social security, healthcare not warfare, etc.), and reject greed and power, and all the evil trappings of same.

UP with GOOD, and DOWN with EVIL (and also down with those merely pretending to be good in order to serve their own self-serving, greed and power addictions).

 

Joel Scott S. (17)
Saturday August 28, 2010, 6:56 am
Greedy capitalism must eat shit and die!
 

Linda Wallace (24)
Saturday August 28, 2010, 6:56 am
Frightening!
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Saturday August 28, 2010, 9:08 am
Thank you all recent commenters and noters, and special thanks to you Rita for an excellent contribution.

I think you spoke for many on Care2, including those who seldom comment perhaps because they are humble or are conditioned to suppress expression of their religious, spiritual, moral and ethical beliefs in public discussion of political and governmental affairs.

I'm grateful for your "confession", proud to call you friend, and am delighted to follow your lead with my own confession: You spoke for me also!
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Saturday August 28, 2010, 10:17 am
Special thanks also to Robert for again enriching this thread with links to further sources of information, and to Kathy for messaging me a link to Media Matters research bearing the following info:

"Right-wing media rush to defend Kochs
Following a New Yorker article that reported on David and Charles Koch's funding of "stealth attacks" on the Obama administration, right-wing media, including recipients of the Kochs' largess, have rushed to defend the Kochs.
Right-wing media rush to Kochs' defense following New Yorker article
Wash. Examiner's Hemingway -- who has been funded by Koch -- calls article a "shameful attack" on Kochs. In an August 24 post, The Washington Examiner's Mark Hemingway wrote that The New Yorker article was a "shameful attack," "sensationalist," and "laden with bias an [sic] distasteful innuendo." In his post, Hemingway also noted:

In the interest of disclosure, I should note that for the past few summers I have mentored young journalists as part of a program funded by the Koch family. I have been paid a largely inconsequential honorarium for my significant investment of time. I can honestly say that I wouldn't do this if I didn't believe in the program, and as for the Koch brothers' supposedly covert war, I will note that if I had any doubt about who I was working for, the program is called the Charles G. Koch Summer Fellow Program.

Erickson: New Yorker article part of a "coordinated character assassination against Koch Industries and the Koch brothers." In an August 23 post, RedState editor-in-chief Erick Erickson wrote that the article "is a coordinated character assassination against Koch Industries and the Koch brothers for daring to use their money to prevent the destruction of the American economy at the hand of a bunch of effete socialists in the White House." Erickson further wrote:

When Darryl Issa takes over as Chairman of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform in the House of Representatives, this will be one more thing he will need to investigate. It is way too convenient to be coincidental that Mr. Obama attacks Americans for Prosperity and, within days, the broadside is extended not just by left wing groups, but allegedly objective journalists.

American Spectator calls article a "violent assault on the Koch brothers." An August 23 American Spectator post called The New Yorker article a "violent assault on the Koch brothers" and stated that the article "paints an [sic] grim portrait of the Koch brothers without actually reporting anything objectionable that they might have done."

NewsBusters: Article a "hit piece." In an August 23 post, NewsBusters' P.J. Gladnick called The New Yorker article on the Kochs a "hit piece" that "demoniz[ed]" the Kochs for the "thought crime of supporting conservative causes."

Kochs have founded, funded numerous right-wing organizations
Koch brothers founded Cato, Citizens for a Sound Economy. Media Matters Action Network has noted that Charles Koch assisted in founding the Cato Institute, while David Koch co-founded Citizens for a Sound Economy, which is now known as FreedomWorks.

Koch foundations fund numerous right-wing organizations. Media Matters Action Network has further noted that the Koch foundations -- which include the Charles G. Koch Foundation, the David H. Koch Charitable Foundation, and the Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation -- "make substantial annual contributions to these organizations (more than $12 million to each between 1985 and 2002), as well as to other influential conservative think tanks, advocacy groups, media organizations, academic institutes, and legal organizations, thus participating in every level of the policy process."

Think Progress: Kochs "are the wealthiest, and perhaps most effective, opponents of President Obama's progressive agenda." In December 2009, Think Progress reported that "David and Charles Koch are the wealthiest, and perhaps most effective, opponents of President Obama's progressive agenda. They have been looming in the background of every major domestic policy dispute this year." Think Progress further noted:

At the dawn of the Obama presidency, Koch groups quickly maneuvered to try to stop his first piece of signature legislation: the stimulus. The Koch-funded group "No Stimulus" launched television and radio ads deriding the recovery package as simply "pork" spending. The Cato Institute -- founded by Charles -- as well as other Koch-funded think tanks like the Heritage Foundation, produced a blizzard of reports distorting the stimulus and calling for a return to Bush-style tax cuts to combat the recession. As their fronts were battling the stimulus, David's Americans for Prosperity (AFP) spent the opening months of the Obama presidency placing calls and helping to organize the very first "tea party" protests."

Good people, when I look at all this, the Koch brothers, Rubert Murdoch and Fox News starting the Tea Party and conning millions into support of their ulterior agenda, Repubs allied with it, the coming torrent of corporate money to "conservative" candidates, ads, front orgs, and media manipulation unleashed by Repub appointees to the Supreme Court, I AM TRULY FRIGHTENED AT WHAT WILL COME WITH THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS AND ON IT'S HEELS IF WE CANNOT COUNTER THIS ORCHESTRATED ONSLAUGHT. TRULY FRIGHTENED. WE MUST NOT LET OURSELVES BE IMMOBILIZED BY FEAR OR THE ODDS, BUT NEITHER CAN WE BE NAIVE AND UNWITTINGLY COMPLACENT.

Among other things here on Care2 I feel we must find more ways to awaken others to what is happening, to ask friends to attend to this increasingly grave threat to all of us. It pains me to see so many frivolous articles in Green Living and Society and Culture, so many messages and posts centered on a single animal or criminal or local situation.
God bless the people doing it, but we need to have the courage to ask them to see that a tidal wave of slaughter of every cause on Care2 is rushing toward us. We need to ask them to see that if we do not stop it, there will be a huge increase in impoverished people, abandonned and abused animals, destruction and depletion of life-sustaining resources, war, hate, conflict, and suffering.
 

Mj P. (43)
Saturday August 28, 2010, 10:39 am
Mighty oaks come from acorns. We must harvest them and plant them now, or the forest will disappear.

The comments, ideas, suggestions and insight offered in this thread (for the most part) equal positive energy. There is also a general sense of disbelief, fear and some anger. Making information known and public is critical in beginning to approach an issue as devastating and horrific as this. When I first started discovering what is happening all around us, (chem trails, elf towers, Monsanto, etc…) it was that feeling of being in extreme danger in a town with a crooked sheriff. Where can we turn to for help? Suddenly the people who are and have been entrusted to keep everything in check and balance are, in fact, the common enemy. Wow. This is the ultimate level of abandonment and betrayal. After all, most of us grew up under the false umbrella of safety and security, thinking that everything was done in the name of patriotism and the greater good of our people. We were trained to believe that our country was batting for us because we didn't have to deal with what we saw in war torn, third world countries. (That’s way over there; we’re good). We were somehow insulated from all of that. The ultimate dream was to have that sweet house with the white picket fence, station wagon, dog and 2.3 kids (not necessarily in that order).

Images of wars that our leaders created, perpetuated and profited from by sacrificing the lives of our own and the ‘enemies’ were kept away from us. (Military Industrial Complex). Again, the filtered and manipulated media continued to brain wash us so that we worked tirelessly, for lower wages and more hours only to sustain their system and keep it in place. The trouble is, if we step off the treadmill, everything in our own personal lives collapse, so we hop back on to survive and keep lining their pockets with profit margins that are over the top as the gap widens steadily.

I think, from reading all of the articulate and powerful responses here, that we understand what has and is unfolding. The scale of it is shocking to many; actually, we have been in literal shock therapy for at least a decade. We have been used, abused, betrayed, abandoned and tricked. Now we face the climactic finale. The design of their self-serving and devious plan has been exposed, the history and the objectives as well.

What do we do now? Pertaining to this dilemma exclusively, and likely suffering from the first phase of shock, we must take a step back and asses our options. I try to avoid shock now that I understand that it is a highly effective tool of mass manipulation. I know that by being enraged and suffering from PTSD that they will be able to carry through more successfully with their plans. Therefore, I think that it is vital for us not to allow the fear, rage and other negative emotions to rob us of the energy and empowerment necessary to resolve this and turn the tide. Do not give your power away. Also, as the Koch regime has demonstrated, there is power in numbers. Fortunately, for us non-followers, we cannot be used to further their agenda. We have our own agenda based on integrity, ethics and sound judgment.

To me, this means that effective communication and devising realistic strategies are to be heavily considered. In order to attain effectiveness we need a certain mindset. Fighting fire with fire is a provocation that we must avoid. I believe it to be more effective to confront this dilemma by depriving the ‘fire’ of oxygen. By spreading the word – knowledge – we are informed and know what we are up against. I know, it feels like David confronting Goliath without a stone or slingshot, but there must be a way. Remember, this did not happen over night. It took decades to arrive at this place, so it will not be resolved instantly. It will take drastic measures to correct and heal; we will function better with steadfast, consistent, small steps.

One idea that occurred to me (in addition to informing others), is to make it a priority to educate the youth. As adults, we comprehend what is happening and it is quite overwhelming. Can you imagine how incomprehensible this is for teenagers and young adults who are beginning to navigate their future? I can only assume that their brains slam shut. Look at how it affects you…as an adult. What they see are what the mainstream media puts out there and what they hear from their parents. Many will not learn of something such as this or only fragments because it is too traumatic and complex to absorb.

It is basic human nature (and yes, healthy) for teenagers to rebel against their parents and/or adults. It is a time for them to assert and test their independence. I compare the teenage years with the tempestuous two-year-old syndrome – old enough to do it themselves but still needing a little help, hence frustration sets in.

I believe that it would be advantageous in the big picture, for young adults to be included in the transformation of a corrupt and devastating agenda that will have a direct impact on them. In order for this concept to be successful, it would be necessary to enlist their help as volunteers or interns in grassroots programs to educate their peers and be an operational movement to instill and transform the current direction of our society and culture.

Of course, this requires a great deal of patience, skill and carefully thought out proposals and choice of forum to succeed, but the children indeed are the future. I am aware of the immediacy of this and other situations and the rapid deterioration of the world as we know it, but weaving those [youth] into the process would strengthen our efforts and assure a continuum.

Perhaps with a fresh outlook and with even more at stake for them (in a time line sort of way), they could break through to their parents who are operating on fear, anger and desperation. Although I am and have been independently spiritual and liberal, when my daughter was fifteen years old, she suggested that I watch “Outfoxed” and one of my sons bought Michael Moore’s video “Bowling for Columbine” home and shared it and recently my other son told me about “Zeitgeist” (although I have not seen it yet) . It is possible to enlighten parents.

Many parents are set in their ways, and perpetuate their beliefs in their children. I have seen some cute video clips of preschoolers talking about whom they were voting for in the last election, and it was clearly recitations of parents. They were articulate and using words that they clearly did not understand, and were obviously quoting parents. This is a bold example of how children are products of their parents. I am not saying that we should kidnap children and brainwash them. I am suggesting that we educate them and provide the opportunity for them to form their own opinions based on the big picture, their future and the possible outcome. Perhaps they will be proactive and instead of burying their anger and fear in drugs, promiscuity, or video games or whatnot, they themselves will be offered an alternative road to empowerment. (We owe it to them).

Our culture has made a sharp divide between parents / adults and children, similar to the divide between the rich and the poor. Much of this is due to the loss of the nucleus of the family structure, divorce and decay of public education and society in general. Today’s children suffer from severe attachment disorders and many are in survival mode almost immediately following birth. Also, with the lack of options in their future (college too expensive, capping student loans and grants, lack of jobs, leaving the military as the best option…the dangling carrot to prolong the wars)…we owe it to them to include them in some serious reality and game changes. No wonder they don’t trust adults or ‘the system’. The deck is stacked. It would be worthwhile to educate our youth so that they can act accordingly, not when it is too late or when we are on the brink of self-destruction. (tick tick tick). Let’s give them a little credit instead of throwing them under the bus.

I would like to add that I work with youth. I am a facilitator of “Transformative Language Arts” programs, which include journaling and poetry writing for female prisoners, at risk youth, the juvenile justice system and others. It is a program that allows safe expression, anger management and healing through the written word. I also have three grown children who I have always shared an open dialogue. I emphasize independence, integrity and being positively free spirited, and all three of them are different yet respect each other. I have always kept them as informed as possible without being obsessive. (I try to stay off of my soapbox). My thoughts are based on experience and my psychology degree in this specific area.

I know that engaging youth productively in regards to their future is possible and overdue. Their role in our culture has largely been a great loss; we do not tap into their fresh and creative minds. I am not talking about the lucky ones from the high-income bracket who can effortlessly obtain a good education without the stress of trying to navigate our crushed economic system. (The ones who are likely influenced by the Koch Regime and the likes and who can afford to and will likely carry the torch). I am talking about everyone of all levels of our society having the right to know what is happening, where they stand, what they have to lose, and how they can make a difference by simply being fairly informed. (No Rupert Murdoch).

Can you see the pattern here? College is becoming less and less attainable for average and below average income families; therefore excluding them from higher education and degrees which are the prerequisites for opportunities to run large corporations, have careers in law, finance, politics, the medical field, accounting, engineering, etc. The gap continues to close in on the future. More and more kids are opting out of college and going to war or resigning themselves to the fact that they have to be enslaved in the corrupt system. Apathy begins to grow like a cancer, because without hope, what is left? So, in this setting, we sustain the numbers of only a ‘certain few’ having power, and the situation deepens. It is division rather than inclusion. The American Dream is only attainable and beneficial for a select few and a becomes a nightmare for the rest.

The system and many parents are too busy coping with their own lives and can barely manage their offspring. Perhaps young people would be resourceful and have greater purpose (and my workshops would have fewer participants) if they were given a voice. I have observed that many of the participants in my programs (young societal victims) are excellent thinkers and have never had a true voice or had anyone take the time to listen or engage authentically in their lives.

I am thinking aloud as I type, because what I am reading on this thread are offerings of wisdom blended with fear and a sense of hopelessness and validation. Once again, knowledge is power. We must be resourceful and find a new approach, new lens and vision.

A giant hug to all.





 

Eileen Novak (444)
Saturday August 28, 2010, 11:04 am
WOW! Gregory, you certainly opened a wonderful discourse! Great job. (Pinches your cheek.)

*You cannot currently send a star to Gregory because you have done so within the last week.*

Wanting to send you, and all the other thoughtful folks here, all the stars in the sky. It's been a pleasure reading this daily.

Bravo to ALL of you!
 

Robert S. (115)
Saturday August 28, 2010, 12:05 pm
As I contemplate the Koch brothers agenda and Fox's hand in selling it, I pause and consider that even as I am disappointed with the Obama administrations efforts and or the fruit produced, he is attacked by them with such fervor and hatred. Why? They are obviously not getting from him what "they" want. And when the Koch brothers agenda is not being met, we win, even as we are being disappointed. We IMHO must temper our feelings with this reality. Those who's interests involve the most egregious wrong to this world hate Obama. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

 

Robert S. (115)
Saturday August 28, 2010, 12:06 pm
I wanted to to post this in that above and so...
http://www.cracked.com/funny-192-fox-news/
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Saturday August 28, 2010, 1:50 pm
Yes Robert, I agree, I fault Obama for compromising and/or trying to compromise with the right, for not taking them on more boldly and forcefully in public view, but the common-citizen Obama haters among the Tea partiers are generally pursuing the agenda of the Kochs and Rupert Murdochs and other wealthy corporate elites and Rovian Repubs, most without realizing they have been manipulated and conned into supporting their own financial slaughter, ie tax cuts for the wealthy, cuts and privatization of Social Security, an even freer hand to the banking, oil, and health insurance cartels, even faster export of jobs overseas, more whipping up fear and frenzy against Muslims and terrorists to justify war to get their oil and keep us spending more on Defense and Homeland Security than the rest of the world combined, adding to their profits and keeping us focused on an external enemy so we don't see the enemy within: the Kochs, the Rupert Murdochs, the Roves, the Cheneys, and the roles of their puppets, the Boehners, Palins, Becks, and Limbaughs.

From the standpoint of the politics of it, we need to do everything we can to expose how a wealthy and powerful few are duping and manipulating millions into pursuing their agenda. It's not a question of being partisan Dems or being for or against Obama, it's a question of being against the wealthy and powerful few who are the enemy of us all and have conned Tea Partiers into their unholy alliance with right-wing Repubs.
 

gary leigh (0)
Saturday August 28, 2010, 4:09 pm
WOW! IT GOES ON AND ON! THERE SURE IS ANGER OUT THERE. I WISH I GOT THIS MUCH RESPONSE LOCALLY IN L.A. YOU ALL ARE DOING AND THINKING THAT'S GOOD. A PLAN MUST HAPPEN TO CHANGE THE DIRRECTION OF THIS COUNTRY AND THE WORLD. IT STARTS WITH CONTAINING CORPORATIONS AND THERE INFLUENCE. THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM SINCE THE 20TH CENTURY AND LEAD TO ALL THOUGHS WARS. THE PROPLEM ISN'T OWNED BY REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATES BUT BY AN ELITE WHO RUNS THOUGH'S PARTIES. LINCOLN WAS THE FIRST REPUBLICAN HE WROTE HIS OWN SPEECHES YOU KNEW WHAT HE FELT. THAT DOESN'T APPLY TODAY. THE TEA PARTY MAKES SOME POINTS BUT GO OFF COURSE ON OTHER ISSUES. THEY BASICALLY HAVE DIVIDED THE REPUBLICAN CAUSE. CONSERVATIVES ARE NOT BAD BUT LIKE ALL PARTY CANDIDATES THEY SIGN PACTS WITH BAD PEOPLE YOU DON'T SEE. THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEMS LIE. ONLY REFORM OF THE POLITICAL PROCESS HAS A CHANCE TO STOP THE SELLOUT.
 

Kathy Javens (104)
Saturday August 28, 2010, 4:49 pm
Noted. Thank you Gregory. What lives some of us lead. There is a comment I put on my care2 personal page: KARMA CAN BE A BITCH. And one day karma is going to take a big bite out of his butt.
 

. (0)
Saturday August 28, 2010, 9:43 pm
One thing for sure I'm good at Boycotting and this I will do big time against these rick people. But they can suck my money from my disability check each month. Thanks Gregory Hugzz may as well give them big hi ho and tell them to Bite Me!!! oopppsss being a while but they dseerve it.
 

Arthur Short (3)
Sunday August 29, 2010, 7:17 am
Does the name George Soros ring a bell with anyone? Or are we living in glass houses and throwing rocks at the neighbors?
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Sunday August 29, 2010, 9:59 am
Arthur, I see you are a friend of Tea Partier Northern with whom I've long had a respectful rapport even though we see most things very differently. Recall a scene in the movie Full Metal Jacket: I tell Northern that if he would just stop watching Fox News he'd discover there was inside him a liberal just waiting to come out. I also see posted on your profile comments from a friend Laurie I think highly of, so I trust you are not a neocon like the SirRobert who posts articles claiming Soros is the leader of a vast PROGRESSIVE conspiracy to rule the world, and elsewhere posts articles urging Care2 readers to renew tax cuts for the wealthy on behalf of the same Repubs who want to cut or privatize Social Security. If you are, suffice it to say I'll never trust you again.

That said, I take your comment and question at face value and say, "Fair enough Arthur, I may regret the wealthy Soros' failed to get Bush defeated in his bid for a second term -- think how better off the USA would be today if he'd succeeded! -- but we cannot have it both ways. If we are to rid ourselves of the scourge of the wealthy corporate elite and regain govt of, by and for the people, we cannot be selective, we must ban them all from using their wealth to buy the media and political process and government, and yes, that includes Soros."

Having stipulated that, here's some of the wikipedia info about Soros, for benefit of those who know little or nothing about him.

"Soros has been active as a philanthropist since the 1970s, when he began providing funds to help black students attend the University of Cape Town in apartheid South Africa, and began funding dissident movements behind the iron curtain.

Soros' philanthropic funding includes efforts to promote non-violent democratization in the post-Soviet states. These efforts, mostly in Central and Eastern Europe, occur primarily through the Open Society Institute (OSI) and national Soros Foundations, which sometimes go under other names (such as the Stefan Batory Foundation in Poland). As of 2003, PBS estimated that he had given away a total of $4 billion.[25] The OSI says it has spent about $400 million annually in recent years.

Time magazine in 2007 cited two specific projects - $100 million toward Internet infrastructure for regional Russian universities; and $50 million for the Millennium Promise to eradicate extreme poverty in Africa — while noting that Soros has given $742 million to projects in the U.S., and given away a total of more than $6 billion.

Other notable projects have included aid to scientists and universities throughout Central and Eastern Europe, help to civilians during the siege of Sarajevo, and Transparency International. Soros also pledged an endowment of €420 million to the Central European University (CEU). The Nobel Peace Prize winner Muhammad Yunus and his microfinance bank Grameen Bank received support from the OSI.

According to National Review the Open Society Institute gave $20,000 in September 2002 to the Defense Committee of Lynne Stewart, the lawyer who has defended alleged terrorists in court and was sentenced to 2⅓ years in prison for "providing material support for a terrorist conspiracy" via a press conference for a client. An OSI spokeswoman said "it appeared to us at that time that there was a right-to-counsel issue worthy of our support."

In September 2006 Soros pledged $50 million to the Millennium Promise, led by economist Jeffrey Sachs to provide educational, agricultural, and medical aid to help villages in Africa enduring poverty. The New York Times termed this endeavor a "departure" for Soros whose philanthropic focus had been on fostering democracy and good government, but Soros noted that most poverty resulted from bad governance.[32]

He received honorary doctoral degrees from the New School for Social Research (New York), the University of Oxford in 1980, the Corvinus University of Budapest, and Yale University in 1991. Soros also received the Yale International Center for Finance Award from the Yale School of Management in 2000 as well as the Laurea Honoris Causa, the highest honor of the University of Bologna in 1995.

Political donations and activism in the United States
In an interview with The Washington Post on November 11, 2003, Soros said that removing President George W. Bush from office was the "central focus of my life" and "a matter of life and death." He said he would sacrifice his entire fortune to defeat President Bush, "if someone guaranteed it." Soros gave $3 million to the Center for American Progress, $5 million to MoveOn.org, and $10 million to America Coming Together. These groups worked to support Democrats in the 2004 election. On September 28, 2004 he dedicated more money to the campaign and kicked off his own multi-state tour with a speech: Why We Must Not Re-elect President Bush delivered at the National Press Club in Washington, DC. The online transcript to this speech received many hits after Dick Cheney accidentally referred to FactCheck.org as "factcheck.com" in the Vice Presidential debate, causing the owner of that domain to redirect all traffic to Soros's site.

Soros was not a large donor to US political causes until the 2004 presidential election, but according to the Center for Responsive Politics, during the 2003-2004 election cycle, Soros donated $23,581,000 to various 527 groups dedicated to defeating President Bush. A 527 group is a type of American tax-exempt organization named after a section of the United States tax code, 26 U.S.C. § 527. Despite Soros' efforts, Bush was reelected to a second term as president.

After Bush's re-election, Soros and other donors backed a new political fundraising group called Democracy Alliance which supported the goals of the U.S. Democratic Party.[36] Soros supported the McCain-Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002, which many hoped would end "soft money" contributions to federal election campaigns.[citation needed] Soros has made soft money donations to 527 organizations that he says do not raise the same corruption issues as donations directly to the candidates or political parties.
In August 2009, Soros donated $35 million to the state of New York to be ear-marked for under-privileged children and given to parents who had benefit cards at the rate of $200 per child aged 3 through 17, with no limit as to the number of children that qualified. An additional $140 million was put into the fund by the state of New York from money they had received from the 2009 federal recovery act."

BUT LET'S BE COMPLETELY FAIR AND CLEAR: Soros failed to have much impact. The Libertarian wealthy Koch Brothers and Rupert Murdoch, thanks largely to the Fox News Murdoch owns and alliance with the Repub right and the corporate and wealthy interests they champion and social fears they manipulate, have not only had a great impact, they are literally driving America along the course of their agenda. They are, right now, winning the war they are waging.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Sunday August 29, 2010, 10:19 am
Another thing about Soros. He is out in the open. He is not conning people into supporting an agenda to increase his own wealth. He wants a better world for others, specifically the vast majority who do not enjoy the privileges, power and wealth of elites like himself. He warrants no demonization whatsoever. If WE THE PEOPLE could trust all the powerful wealthies to have his motives and compassion, we wouldn't need to bring them under control. But we all know we can't trust them, excess power corrupts, about that there's no argument.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Sunday August 29, 2010, 11:40 am
Arthur, I just checked and found that of the 127 poorly-read articles you've posted, most were Tea Party crap of the Fox News type. Tea Party crap of the Fox News type. You take your cue from Beck and Palin. Figures. A Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch dupe. A total dupe of the kind completely lacking in integrity and ability to think for himself.
 

Jose Ovidio Perez Morel (44)
Sunday August 29, 2010, 1:50 pm
Read it and take it.............
 

Charmaine C. (177)
Sunday August 29, 2010, 2:41 pm
Fascinating reading Gregory. The Koch brothers care nothing for the very people off whose labor and sweat they built their empire and their fortune. They are hypocrites of the worst kind with no morals apparent in any direction. Theirs has been and is an insidious journey into the hearts of Americans to corrupt absolutely and is driven entirely by self interest. It is frightening that a powerful government's agenda is fueled by a few narrow interests and can so easily be bought by the promise of money. What happens in American politics impacts everyone globally. People should know.
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday August 29, 2010, 4:36 pm
George Soros.

Rings a bell. Yup. He's the guy "the right" has been crying hysterically about for years because he spoke up about Bush's lying us into war with Iraq. Soros is the rare bird who actually tries to do some good in the world with his money. Meanwhile all the time the Kochs have been doing there dirty deeds very quietly and without a peep from Fox about them... while they certainly have plenty of paranoid bull to say about Soros, i.e., the link below.

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201006210049
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday August 29, 2010, 5:23 pm
http://www.dscc.org/gopmoney
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday August 29, 2010, 8:33 pm
http://fairelectionsnow.org/
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday August 29, 2010, 9:04 pm
http://www.dscc.org/meetthegop
 

Sue D. (156)
Monday August 30, 2010, 1:41 am
Thanks Robert
 

Suzanne S. (760)
Wednesday September 1, 2010, 6:55 pm
I hope that everyone has seen yet another post following up to this of Gregory's - the latest posted by Cal following on the heals of this first story. Please see this new article on the scandalous right-wing politics and activities of the Koch Brothers: http://www.care2.com/news/member/193692282/2268783
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (80)
Thursday September 2, 2010, 9:55 am
So many great comments & links! Impossible to respond to each one that inspires me, especially this late in the day -or the debate- but I will say that Care for A has left us with some important links where we can take action and/or incite our Congressional representatives in both houses to do likewise in fighting corporate corruption & trying to roll back that Supreme Court decision. Robert S, too. And Gregory himself -- I like your defense of Soros, at least how he spends his money & does so openly.

I was just disgusted reading the opening of the NewYorker piece, where you find Koch on the stage of the NY Metropolitan Opera House receiving praise, applause & honors for his patronage of the arts. His presence prevented Michelle Obama from attending the event, but not Caroline Kennedy, who shared the stage with him: What's a nice girl from a traditional Democrat family doing on a stage with a Koch??
Well, either she's not so nice...or people do not have the nerve to refuse !

These brothers should be shamed & ostracized now that their covert operations have been denounced.
Why can they not be treated with the same sort of public opprobrium we reserve for, say, rapists...or pedophiles? ...or Nazis?? Why not?

I had no idea about this connection & mass funding to the Tea Partiers -- I, too, was led to believe that it was a 'spontaneous', grassroots movement. How naive I was!

Well, much thanks to Gregory for opening up our eyes with this post!

In the last few days, I have noticed that articles about the Koch brothers have appeared elsewhere: an op-ed in the NYTimes by Frank Rich, on ThinkProgress (Yesterday, under the heading 'Radical Right Agenda,' ThinkProgress had guest blogger Joshua Dorner, Communications Director for Progressive Media, for this piece: "Koch-Funded Organizations Launch New ‘Rally For Jobs’ Campaign To Protect Big Oil Profits") AND on the Alternet:

The Alternet published a post that is in fact a New York Observer original investigative piece by Yasha Levine. The Alternet poster, who has rebaptized Yasha Levine's report, 7 Ways the Tea Party Sugar Daddy Billionaire Brothers Are Ripping Us Off (whereas Levine's title is 7 Ways the Koch Bros. Benefit from Corporate Welfare) claims that Yasha's article is "MUCH MORE DEVASTATING" than the New Yorker article by Jane Mayer which we have all found shocking, because according to him "the only real punch in Mayer's New Yorker feature was to link to David Koch being on the National Cancer Advisory Board while his company lobbyied to prevent the E.P.A. from classifying formaldehyde as a carcinogen. The Kochs produce 2.2 billion pounds of it a year." (He says, "Most folks are going to miss that, because in typical East Coast elite journalism fashion, it was buried deep near the end of the article").

He says: "Levine’s article lands real punches." I must admit that the investigation has a much better layout that makes it easier to read than the NYorkers piece..and I am particularly impressed with Yasha's
IN DEPTH: An Illustrated History of the Koch Bros.' Socialist Links and Penchant for Government Handouts, which is linked to from the main body of the article.

The Alternet blogger also credits Levine with the very first piece connecting the Koch bros to the Tea Party - It was Yasha Levine & his partner Mark Ames who documented "the birth moment of the Tea Party," when no one else was paying attention, and the first to tie it to… the Koch-funded Freedom Works... in FEBRUARY 2009!! Published in Playboy, the February 2009 article, Exposing The Rightwing PR Machine: Is CNBC’s Rick Santelli Sucking Koch?, which was later taken down from Playboy's site after possible libel claims, exposed the connection between the right-wing group FreedomWorks and the online Tea Party. This led to a whole controversy, a Media Dust Storm, I have just found out, involving CNBC pundit Rick Santelli, (whom I personally had never heard of, but who appears to have 'kicked off' the Tea Party movement on TV, from what I now read on Alternet), with authors Levine & Ames responding & connecting the dots on their site, which has evolved a special section called Santelli Watch.

Also on their site, I discover: "The real Koch Industries story nobody will touch: old school leftie investigative journalist (Charles Lewis, founder of the Center for Public Integrity)
drops bomb on DemocracyNow!
radio show, says Charles and David Koch “planted a very fawning profile of the Koch brothers in the New York Magazine days before as a way of preempting the New Yorker article”… Let’s repeat that: a very credible source says that the Kochs planted (as in, paid money/pulled strings to publish) a pro-Koch article in the New York Magazine… As this country declines, we’re seeing that American corruption looks no different than Russian—hell, even Nigerian—corruption… "
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (80)
Thursday September 2, 2010, 10:09 am
My friend Pamylle had linked to the Democracy Now! show that featured Charles Lewis (way way up there...), but without telling us about the bomb he dropped on it !!

It's true that when you read about the Koch's & all the Tea Party lies & distortions about Obama you do want to run to his defense...but there are too many wrong moves, compromises, etc that have positioned what he is doing far from any progressive agenda.

And when I read, "the Kochs are “at the epicenter of the anti-Obama movement. But it’s not just about Obama. They would have done the same to Hillary Clinton. They did the same with Bill Clinton. They are out to destroy progressivism.”" -- I raise my eyebrows : Bill & Hillary progressives?? Com'on ! Puh-leze don't use a nice word like progressive for those two corporation lovers.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Thursday September 2, 2010, 10:47 am
Fair enough, Peasant Diva, the headline was not intended to say Obama is a progressive, and I would agree Bill Clinton was not a progressive either. So, more accurately, the Koch brothers et al are waging war on centrists, moderates, and the liberals and progressives to their left, and of course the socialists and communists to the left of all the foregoing.
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Thursday September 2, 2010, 11:15 am
Peasant Diva, forgot to say thank you for your first comment above, outstanding contribution, I hope you'll copy and paste it onto the more recent article Cal posted re the Koch brothers, see Suzanne's comment above for the link.
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (80)
Thursday September 2, 2010, 1:49 pm
Oh, my god, Gregory ! I'd love to agree to your request, but when you copy & paste, the links don't come out as links, so it means re-making ALL those links in my comment, & I don't think I'm feeling up to that right now: once a night is about it for such a time-consuming comment, because we are two to share our computer.

What is infuriating about the Tea Party is that they mindlessly repeat total crap, horseshit, if you'll pardon my French, such as Obama is a 'radical' or 'the MOST radical president in the country's history,' when there is really nothing to back that up in reality. When I read the signs some people carried at demonstrations during the health care reform debacle, I just couldn't fathom how supporting something as basic and urgent, something as unmitigatingly GOOD as affordable health care for all could make people accuse Obama of being a Hitler or a Stalin.

What these people, the string-pullers, the masterminds, are doing is convincing the brainless that even moderate positions are flaming radicalism!
What would these people do with real socialist or communist positions?

What I would like to know, now that we know who is footing the bill, is who is writing the script; who is conceiving the slogans... The Tea Party crowd seems to be an army of brainless puppets, with ventriloquists doing the talking.
 

Robert S. (115)
Thursday September 2, 2010, 2:19 pm
"They did the same with Bill Clinton. They are out to destroy progressivism."

Just look at the reaction to Obama. As he tries to compromise they kick him in the teeth. Even as we think he is centrist, or of the Neo lib Clinton bent, they hate him which shows that even as left has swung right, it is not enough by far for the Far right. Clinton should have been a lesson. Hope it is written large enough on the wall to be seen now. They are not into compromise when they can sell fear to so many with their very own Media which has no integrity... and win it all.
 

Robert S. (115)
Friday September 3, 2010, 3:49 pm
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599201368300
 

Robert S. (115)
Friday September 3, 2010, 3:51 pm
Sorry. The above link takes you to "How Obama's Stimulus Is Changing America" Time Magazine.
 

Mark May (0)
Thursday September 16, 2010, 7:27 pm
Many thanks Greg for bringing this article to our attention. I knew the lobbying in Washington was bad but this article just blows my drawers off! Sure there's a lot of folks unhappy with the way our government is being run, but no one seems to have the nuts to go after the real problem which is the lobbyists. Bums like the Koch brothers have to be exposed and stopped. We should march on to their headquarters by the thousands and hold them accountable for holding our nation hostage. How much more are they going to get away with before we get pissed off enough to PROTEST?
 

Sylvia W. (46)
Saturday September 18, 2010, 5:21 am
Wow! I am impressed with the level of intelligent thought and insight in this thread! Thank you, Gregory, for posting this; thank you Care For All for sending me the link that got me here (I have not been active lately due to family health issues so I would have missed this without your message) and thank you all for giving me plenty to think about for days if not weeks to come. Most of what I might have said has been said already, and probably better than I could have, so my only comment is this;

I have long credited a life-long love of SF as a staple of my recreational reading (as opposed to my educational reading) for keeping me from getting 'future shock' as I get older. I was prepared for ATM cards, hand-held computer devices and ecological disaster from human indifference/stupidity/greed. It also prepared me for Big Brother - arriving later than expected, but here nonetheless (phone taps that work even when the phone is not in use, internet crunch to prevent free dissemination of information anyone?).

Now the creeping change from national government to multi-national corporate government. In time, if the people don't see what is happening and stop it, and assuming the planet survives the next few years of climate change, we could well be pledging allegiance to corporations rather than the countries of our birth. That, I admit, was one SF vision I hoped never to see come about, but if people don't see it happening and act. it will. People like the Koch brothers currently act mostly behind the scenes, but will come out of hiding to tip the balance given the chance - we can't give them that chance!
 

Bonnie B. (103)
Sunday September 19, 2010, 9:48 pm
Thank you for posting this article, Gregory. When the Supreme court ruled that corporations were individuals I was horrified. They blatantly gave license to the wealthy to buy elections openly...and probably now take it off their taxes. I wrote to my reps and signed every petition against it that I could and will continue to do so.

It's not like this hasn't been happening for a long time, but for it to be made legal by the Supreme Court! I must admit I'm surprised more comments here do not refer to this action. So in any protests are made by the people here please keep this event in mind!

I would also like to ask you to check out a post I submitted today (it's in Recently Submitted) that also speaks to this problem in the US. It is an op ed from the NY Times and is called The Secret Election. I think the people commenting here may be interested in this article as well. I'm new to posting articles and not quite up on how to create a link here. (I would be glad for some instruction on the in and outs and links of posting!)

Another op ed you might be interested in was on the last (sob) episode of Bill Moyers Journal. Mr. Moyers spoke elequently on the plutocracy that now runs the US. You may be able to find it on the PBS webcite archives.

I will look forward to more articles, ideas and sites that deal with how to put a stop to the Selling of America. It is not only Americans that are being sold down the river, it is the entire world.
 

Richelle R. (60)
Thursday September 30, 2010, 3:23 pm
This is a late post, but I feel that the tea party movement are as scary & threatening (if not more so) than the terrorists the right wingers are still trying to use in their favor to scare us and gain our confidence in their ways. The tea party folks are terrorizing us too, one dollar, one job & one right at a time.
 

Charlie L. (47)
Wednesday October 13, 2010, 8:24 pm
Noted, thank you Gregory, Cal and Dandelion. Some things it seems never change except that what is scary just keeps getting scarier.
 

. (0)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 5:03 pm
I really don't give a rats butt about any of them in Congress, The President, None of them the lie through the skin of there teeth. What really anger's me is they always have to bring God into it and I will be dag gone if I will sit back and not listen to it and not defend him. Tell me what did he ever ever do to any of you? Some call him the Great Spirit, Creator, its all the same. I'm telling you one day he is going to walk this Earth again so laugh if you will but you will see who's laughing in the end. None of these stinking people are going to help me in any way at all. No bama, None. If you don't like what I say or me then do what you have to do. I will speak out from now on I'm tired of being stepped all over and I won't be any more. If your mu friend then be if not then don't. Thanks Cal.
 
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