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Child Marriage: Eleven-Year-Old Girl Bartered Off to Satiate Father's Lust


World  (tags: children, girls, abuse, child brides )

Rose
- 1094 days ago - tribune.com.pk
SUKKUR: In a woman's complaint cell, barefooted, but decked up like a bride, 11-year-old Nadia told The Express Tribune of how her father had bartered her off in 'marriage' to a boy almost twice her age.



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Cheryl B. (64)
Friday September 30, 2011, 4:57 am
so sad
 

Cheryl B. (64)
Friday September 30, 2011, 4:57 am
thanks for telling the world
 

Jenny Dooley (830)
Friday September 30, 2011, 8:58 am
"...Nadia vehemently spoke about how her father is a greedy man and must have done the whole thing for money..."

Thanks for sharing this news item Rose.
 

Vivien Green (150)
Friday September 30, 2011, 2:52 pm
Noted thank you Rose.
Some people do not deserve to have children.
 

Margaret K. (19)
Friday September 30, 2011, 4:08 pm
Poor little girl, to be permitted no childhood innocence.
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (275)
Friday September 30, 2011, 11:22 pm
The poor girl so sad
 

Jim Phillips (3209)
Saturday October 1, 2011, 4:52 pm
Your "PBUH married Ayesha when she was 6 years. How dare you say that this type of injustice is common among Arabs. Muhammad (PBUH) was an arab and he personally shown us this path."

Yep, just because PBUH married a six year old, it is ok for other older men to go ahead and marry little, underage girls. It is known the PBUH prefered little girls rather than a fully developed older woman.

Small wonder why many people do not like the Muslims, Indians, Asians or other cultures, religions because of the dirty old men... who prefered little girls...

Ty, Rose.
.
 

holly masih (64)
Saturday October 1, 2011, 5:03 pm
So,what is being done now to help her and children like her? If I know what I can do,I am willing to help too, not just complain about the problem.
 

Douglas S. (1)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 7:31 am
Terrible!
 

Jayne Braby Bethard (4)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 12:12 pm
This is shameful!
 

Yvonne F. (174)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 12:28 pm
This has to be stopped! Children should be children go to school and play and have fun! None of them should be married and none of them should ever be forced to be married, ever!
 

Roger Garin-michaud (63)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 12:50 pm
noted, thanks
 

Nance N. (0)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 1:15 pm
What happens now? Thanks for the article.
 

Petra M. (254)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 1:21 pm
Some people do not deserve to have children; this is shameful !!!
 

Jacqueline H. (9)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 1:28 pm
THAT'S REALLY A SHAME FOR HER FATHER TO BE ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH THAT. WHERE IS HER MOM? THERE SHOULD A LAW CREATED FOR THE SAFETY OF YOUNG GIRLS TO PROTECT THEM AGAINST THIS TYPE OF THING. THAT'S A TERRIBLE THING TO HAPPEN TO A CHILD. FORCING HER INTO A MARRIAGE FOR PROFIT FOR HIS SORRY EXCUSE OF A HUMAN BEING. NEEDS TO BE THROW IN JAIL.
 

Penny C. (17)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 1:31 pm
Ugh, you have to really be sick abuse a child like that.
 

Gloria H. (88)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 2:01 pm
So? Doesn't this happen in America with polygamous Mormons marrying off young girls to geezers?
 

Jonjon Hoy (146)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 2:03 pm
This is child abuse and that is one SICK nation. Not to mention this happens world wide everyday.
 

Marianne C. (160)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 2:05 pm
It says a lot that the child and her mother had to be kept in a "woman's complaint cell" until the trial -- and if I understand the situation correctly, it's protective custody.

At least the men involved in this outrage are all locked up. Maybe the woman and her child can just get entirely out of the country before any of them are released. I also hope the court will nullify the marriage, lest the girl be shackled for the rest of her childhood to a man she doesn't even like.

This also makes you wonder how old the father's "new wife" is, doesn't it?
 

ewoud k. (73)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 2:11 pm
This is a girl, not a bride.

Too sad!
 

surjit k. (1)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 2:21 pm
How dare you people are speaking against this marriage? This is a common practice among muslims. Mo-ham-mad at the age of 52 married 6 years old girl Aisha. And muslims have emulated him ever since. So what is wrong with you people? Let muslims follow their peaceful religion. Now see www.rawa.org
May Allah take over USA one day.
 

Elizabeth S. (3)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 2:52 pm
yes, what happens now to the little girl whose voice was heard?! This breaks my heart. how long do these women and girls stay in the complaint cell? Are they safe there? Are they protected once they leave? I do not know enough about this culture or religion...
 

surjit k. (1)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 3:56 pm
Catherine. From Quran Sura 4:34 " Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the others, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them.Good women are obedient .They guard their unseen (parts)because Allah has guarded them.As for those from whom you fear disobedience, sdmonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them.Then if they obey you, take no further action against them.Allah is High .supreme." Women is Islam are no where equal to men ,as the equality we have in the West. Elizabeth S, please see www.thereligionofpeace.com
 

Anna M. (112)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 4:05 pm
No matter where it happens in the world, child marriage and sexual exploitation is abominable. It can happen in the East or the West, and it's all awful. Thank you Rose for raising awareness! This must STOP! Poor little girl!
 

Kate Kenner (200)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 4:58 pm
That'w why there's birth control. Just because one can be a parent does't mean (in this case)he should be.
 

Cecilia Bowerman (183)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 5:32 pm
very sad story.
 

Colleen L. (2)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 7:16 pm
So sad to see this occur. Isn't there laws there to put a stop this? Sick idiots. I wish they;d lock up both the parent and the person who is so sick to marry a child. May they all rot in Hel*. Thanks Rose
 

. (0)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 7:25 pm
This is such a terrible practice. I hope justice catches up to those that do such things.

I wish the little girl a happier life.
 

Walter Firth (45)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 7:51 pm
Thanks for posting Rose.A sad story ,but sadder still it happens still on a large scale,this is not an isolated case.We cannot prevent it happening in Islamic countries ,but we can certainly make sure it does not happen in ours.Despite what many may think we are still a Judeo-Christian country,and should make sure we stay one and keep the values and culture which this country has enshrined.
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (275)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 8:13 pm
Thank you all for the comments I find this heart breaking
 

Susanne R. (249)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 8:22 pm
Regarding the marriage of 6-year old girls to men old enough to be their grandfathers:

"How dare you people are speaking against this marriage? This is a common practice among muslims."

What's common practice among followers of one religion is condemned by followers of most others. This "common practice," as you describe it, is referred to as PEDOPHILIA, STATUTORY RAPE, CHILD ABUSE, and SEXUAL PERVERSION in civilized countries. And it's illegal. So don't be surprised if people from other countries find it unconscionable that little girls are treated as sex slaves and personal property by old men and that this practice is not only justified, but protected by their religious beliefs.
 

june t. (66)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 8:58 pm
noted, thanks
 

Carol Dreeszen (365)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 9:04 pm
How dare you people are speaking against this marriage? This is a common practice among muslims.

This is one SICK custom among Muslims!! It's truly pathetic to think grown men don't have any more sense of direction in their lives than to be child molesters, wife beaters, rapists, child mutilators,murderers and totally disrespect women in general!!!!!


Mo-ham-mad at the age of 52 married 6 years old girl Aisha. And muslims have emulated him ever since.

And how pathetic of them!! If one jumps over a cliff do the rest follow that too!? Maybe it should be tried over there!?

So what is wrong with you people? Let muslims follow their peaceful religion.

What a line of BS this is!! There is nothing wrong with us and what you call a peaceful religion I call a travesty of life! How can a religion be called peaceful when it orders Muslims to kill/murder the infidel...yes that's me! You know what you can do with that line of lingo...correct!? Stick it where the sun don't shine!

May Allah take over USA one day.

And may your Allah rot in hell!
 

Carol Dreeszen (365)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 9:14 pm
From Quran Sura 4:34 " Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the others, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them.Good women are obedient .

God made women to stand by mans side...not to follow, or obey like a dog or be beaten or used by them and men are definitely NOT superior to women!!! The day this religion/Islam realizes that women are just as important as men and give them that respect and recognition that will be the day your entire population will find true happiness! Until then you are totally lost and in the dark ages yet!
 

Carol Dreeszen (365)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 9:21 pm
Thank You Rose!!! A tragic event!!
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (275)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 10:06 pm
Susanne,

If this was happening in a catholic or baptists would you not be outraged?

she is a child should she have to be so afraid? the thought of sexual intercourse she should be at school, playing etc

I would attack any religion who allows this Susanne!
 

Susanne R. (249)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 10:17 pm
Rose: Perhaps you misunderstood my comment. It was directed AGAINST Surjit K. and his defense of child marriage. That's why I quoted his words in my second paragraph. I am a mother and a grandmother of females. I would die before I would allow this to happen to them. Yes, I am outraged, and I was hoping that I expressed that in my comment. I'm sorry if my wording was not clear and therefore caused you to be offended, but my heart goes out to all children who suffer any kind of abuse, and I hope that justice is served and Nadia receives the protection that every child deserves.
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (275)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 10:20 pm
Susanne, I just sent you a message to say I was sorry as I realise now you were quoting!
It was my mistake not yours !
 

greenplanet e. (157)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 10:46 pm
So crap for girls.
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (275)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 11:13 pm
How dare you people are speaking against this marriage? This is a common practice among muslims. Mo-ham-mad at the age of 52 married 6 years old girl Aisha. And muslims have emulated him ever since. So what is wrong with you people? Let muslims follow their peaceful religion. Now see www.rawa.org
May Allah take over USA one day.


YOUR COMMENT IS OUTRAGEOUS
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (275)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 11:22 pm
Surjit K The Last comment I posted was directed at you!
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 11:34 pm
Islam is all bullsh..The Qu'ran is written by men to satisfy their greed and lust. Women will always take a back seat to their ideology. Further, it is the most satanic cult ever invented by man. Using children as bartering pieces is an evil act in itself. To sell them into a marriage is nothing short of pedophilia.
 

Shirley S. (174)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 11:36 pm
This custom should be ABOLISHED.It is CRUEL & BARBARIC!
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Sunday October 2, 2011, 11:36 pm
Surjit K - you are one sick S.O.B - children are not pawns to be used in your dreadful 'games'. You need some serious treatment along with your like minded Muslims.
 

Parvez Zuberi (7)
Monday October 3, 2011, 12:15 am
It is very sad the poor little girl was forced in to marriage for sake of money by her father he should be given sever punishment
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (275)
Monday October 3, 2011, 12:53 am
I agree Parvez
 

Pat Vee (13)
Monday October 3, 2011, 2:04 am
Sad times for young and all women who live in a culture where females are valued less then beasts of burden.Rose, I dont know what we can do except speak out when we can .....
 

Brenda Towers (0)
Monday October 3, 2011, 3:31 am
Noted. This is child abuse and should be a criminal offence!
 

Marshun Outerspace (1)
Monday October 3, 2011, 4:30 am
Evil nature of man. Child brides and Child Phornography. Whats the difference? Both are prevalent in eastern and western societies respectively in all corners of the world,
 

Nola g. (5)
Monday October 3, 2011, 6:38 am
It made me sick to read this article. That poor lil girl & all those poor girls that are sold to old men to be raped.
 

alicia m. (100)
Monday October 3, 2011, 7:21 am
noted, and with kind permission

http://www.care2.com/news/member/758176533/2773389

gracias
 

Lindsay Kemp (1)
Monday October 3, 2011, 9:56 am
This just should not be happening to children of this age anywhere! They need to be cared for by their parents until they are adults.
 

Susan Dabrusky (0)
Monday October 3, 2011, 10:44 am
This story and the one about the 5 year old who was married to a 25 year old man are something from another age at least, if not from another planet. How infuriating to know that in this day and age people think so little of human life that they are willing to sacrafice their children, children to such ends. How can you not be outraged and disgusted and hurt when you read such articles. The article about the 5 year old stated that the "wedding guests" didn't think that the father had done anything wrong, that he had the right to do such a thing, The article stated that this type of behavior is allowable in Islam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO, NO, NO
 

Russell R. (87)
Monday October 3, 2011, 12:12 pm
Sick People, who follow a sick belief, but, they would all tell you the same thing, that it is a story made up by the West. Just as they refuse to admit that Moham himself took a child bride. 19, not 9, when he took her in marriage. She was six when he first seen her, a real pervert, butcher. It makes me sick to think they think, that they are a people of peace.
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (275)
Monday October 3, 2011, 3:46 pm
NO FATHER SHOULD DO THIS!!
 

Jim Phillips (3209)
Tuesday October 4, 2011, 2:11 pm

Newsletter:
UN Wire as part of the United Nations Foundation

http://www.smartbrief.com/servlet/wireless?issueid=8C112D1C-49C5-4CE0-9DEE-F02AFBD4E00B&sid=5b4ea782-23bc-4b47-af3b-d97318813299

http://girlsnotbrides.org/

Every year, an estimated 10 million girls worldwide are married before they turn 18, usually with no say in when or whom they marry. Child marriage almost always cuts girls’ education short, trapping them and their children in poverty. It often leads to early pregnancy and childbirth, putting girls’ lives and health at risk.

Girls Not Brides is a new global partnership to end the harmful traditional practice of child marriage, so that girls can fulfil their potential. Created by The Elders, Girls Not Brides brings together organisations that work to tackle child marriage at the grassroots, national and global levels around the world.

Ty. Rose.
.
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Tuesday October 4, 2011, 2:56 pm
Surjit is not a Muslim; he is very anti-Muslim as he has proven on several threads previous to this one. He has never pretended to be a Muslim before but I assure you he is a fake. It is all part of an evil plot to demonise Muslims; either he is a victim of that hatemongering or he is a propagator of it.

If you look at any of his other posts you can clearly see that he is not a Muslim. On the link below you can see where he sais this;

"I hate Islam which make you muslims act like animals/barbarians." And " ISLAM IS EVIL and will remain so." (surjit k, Wednesday July 6)

http://www.care2.com/news/member/701435920/2848586


Neither of the websites he quotes are Islamic. One is from a hate site absolutely devoted to blatant hatemongering against all Muslims and the Teachings (religionofpeace.com) and the other is a site which pretends to be Islam but is there for haters or phonies to quote when they pretend to stir up trouble against the USA. You will not find anything but evil lies about us in both sites.

His translation is from that former site. It is true that some translations differ about the meaning of 'iḍribūhunna' and I was even under the impression because of the copy that I had that it said beat but this is against everything that Islam stands for and certainly what my heart tells me. It comes from the root 'daraba' and can mean to condemn, to distance oneself from, to travel the earth, to set up, to hit and to give examples. If you ask someone who likes to beat their wives then it is obvious the interpretation you will get. Anyone intelligent will take into account the entire message of the Quran and will obviously choose one that fits with the Mercy of God which occurs in every chapter.

The word 'qawwam' or 'qayyim' (plural) is a person responsible for administering and supervising the affairs of either an individual or an organization, for protecting and safeguarding them and taking care of their needs. It is not as Surjit says and it does mean men are better than women. We both (genders) have qualities which are better than the other and it is good that we do what we are best suited to. It is strictly forbidden to beat women or any innocent person.

In the very next verse it says in serious differences, where it is feared a breach between the two becomes possible, that the couple are to involve a delegate, one from each family, to mediate in their dispute. Surely this is not a stage after a 'beating' has failed to work!

The whole message of Islam is about responding to an act with a kinder act. Righteous people obey God's laws. A woman should not obey a man unless his request is humble and righteous; she obeys God if there is any doubt. Men also have a strict set of rules when it comes to fulfilling the needs of the family.

"A husband, therefore, has the responsibility of taking care of his wife, protecting her, defending her honor, and fulfilling her needs regarding her religion and her worldly life. It does not mean – as all too many people have falsely assumed – that he has the right to behave obstinately towards her, compel her, subject her to his will, suppress her individuality, and thus heinously negate her identity." Salmaan ibn Fahd al-‘Awdah
I can link half a dozen verses and hadith that insist upon kindness to one's spouse and half the entire Quran is about kindness and mercy generally. It would be insane to suggest it is ok to be cruel then to ones wife of all people. I am delighted to link some if anyone wishes.

It should be enough for me just to prove that Surjit is a very obvious imposter but I am happy to discuss the Arabic translations with anyone even though I am not a scholar, I can research those who are. I am very busy the next few days but I will check back eventually if anyone has sincere enquires. I am not interested in setting the record straight on strings of abuse but I will always choose at least one thing to debunk from the haters, just to prove they are liars. That does not include you Surjit as I have already exposed you.
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Tuesday October 4, 2011, 3:01 pm
Islam forbids any opportunity for sexual relations except when the two consenting adults are married and they desire children. The religion is in no way to blame when people completely ignore what is obligatory in that religion. No one can be forced against their will at all.

Islam forbids a child to leave home until they are married and fully mature both emotionally and sexually. The spouse and the parents of both families all have to agree that this is the case.

As a Muslim I strongly object to any form of oppression or slavery or abuse. I am glad that only a couple of people here are ignorantly blaming Islam for sins which it forbids.

Aisha was a minimum of 18 years old when she was married. I can prove this. Can you prove that she was six? You only have hearsay from enemies of Islam that lived hundreds of years after the death of our perfect Holy Prophet (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa-'alih). Our Holy Prophet (sall Allahu ʿalay-hi wasallam) first married a much older widow (she was around 40 yrs when he was in his twenties I believe) and remained with her alone until she died.

It is a disgrace to spread such lies. If it were a living person that you slander they could put you in court.
You people who jump to conclusions about Islam when they clearly know nothing about it should be ashamed of yourselves. You encourage divisions and hatred which often lead to violence against us. Have you any idea what it is like to be hated for no reason? To endure hateful remarks and violence when you are completely innocent? If there is something you do not like about our faith then research it to check it is within the Holy Quran (or ask a Muslim to point it out if you are generally interested in knowing the truth).
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Tuesday October 4, 2011, 3:18 pm
There is a massive multi-million pound propaganda campaign against Islam at the moment. There is also an attack upon any society or group of people that can exert pressure or resistance against this globalisation and the brutal march to a single world government. Even the trade unions are getting hammered.
If we buy into their lies, we will end up trying to fight a well organised tyranny as so many individuals and that is futile. We need to join forces; I will campaign for anyone's human rights no matter what country, faith or pay bracket they are from.

Have you not heard that to win a war you need to 'Divide and Conquer' the enemy? Well in this war, the people are the enemy of the elite - the banksters and the ultra rich and the collaborators they employ. We must support those who are just, kind and compassionate to all people and I don't think anyone is so deluded that they cannot see that our 'leaders' are none of these things.

Rather than fight among ourselves and pour hatred on other cultures and creeds and faiths, shouldn't we treat everyone as individuals based upon their actions and act locally to ensure that children are safe in our areas? This is far more progressive than casting hateful remarks, widely at whole religions or cultures.


Child snatching by the state is going on globally;

Children disappear all across the world and it is known that many of them end up as sex-slaves to the ultra-rich global elite; powerful politicians, and influential people. We have even seen these paedophile rings exposed in American politics so do not think that child abuse is connected to religion; it could not be farther from it. No religious person could ever harm a child; do not forget that child abusers also have to be liars and hypocrites so some may profess to be religious.

The statistics are largely unavailable but it is well know that child abuse and disappearance is massively increasing. The government are covering it up and the media is complicit. The state is even accused of stealing children from perfectly good parents through corrupt courts.

This is a very important issue that we need to talk about. It is everyone's duty to protect children. Please watch this harrowing and shocking interview and study all the evidence that Brian Gerrish provides so that you know what we are up against. There are thousands of children being stolen and the law says that we cannot even talk about what happened or see any documentation because of government gag orders across the board.

http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dzx01abIKSWg

From the report;

"In Britain today, a secret court system is stealing and trafficking peoples children. The author Jack Frost summed it up in his book Gulag of the Family Courts. Other journalists have described it as Child Stealing by the State. When a small community newspaper, the UK Column, was set up in Plymouth to expose massive public sector fraud and corruption, the volunteers had no idea of what was to come. They were shocked at reports of child stealing sent in by parents from across Britain."

"In the beginning it was hard to accept some stories as true. Some mothers and fathers appeared traumatised. Could their claims be believed? And then the first mother with evidence arrived in the UK Column office. Ring files of letters, emails and court documentation. The evidence was overwhelming lies, false evidence, perjury, false psychiatric assessments, kidnapping, psychological pressure, police threats, blatant collusion of defence and prosecution legal teams against the parent, failure to prosecute the perpetrators of medical incompetence and child abuse, and blatant victimisation of the innocent parent the mother."
Recorded: February 11th, 2010
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Tuesday October 4, 2011, 9:04 pm
I think the Qu'ran needs to be re-written - by decent Muslim Imams- because I do not think for one moment that a Prophet of God would write such garbage.. Who would condone child marriage, sharia law, killing and maiming - certainly not MY GOD!
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (275)
Tuesday October 4, 2011, 11:01 pm
I agree Patricia and Edward
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (275)
Tuesday October 4, 2011, 11:02 pm
Thank you Scott for your coments
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (275)
Tuesday October 4, 2011, 11:03 pm
Jim thank you for much for that link!
 

Mary P. (157)
Wednesday October 5, 2011, 3:50 pm
Its disgusting that due to greed this father disobeys the commands of the Holy Quran which clearly states that no girl or boy should be Forced to marry anyone they dont wish to. The permission of both the girl and boy is required otherwise the marriage is invalid. The fact that this man who has a muslim name wont even obey a simple command shows how much his religion really matters to him.


Pat/Edw, The Quran was not written by Our Beloved Prophet(PBUH)as he did not know how to read or write. It was divinely revealed to him by GOD Almighty through the Angel Gabriel. There is no need to re-write the Holy Quran as it is perfect; its the misinterpretations of Ignorant individuals thats the problem. Pat, remove the log from thine own eyes before you dare to give other religions false labels of your own. Know that no true believer in GOD Almighty would ever criticise or demonise another religion of GOD Almighty out of his own ignorancy.It does not mean that just because YOU call it a cult then it is a cult. The least expected from a True Believer in GOD, is that he do Not Judge another's beliefs nor does he show disrespect to the beliefs of over one billion people. BTW there is no such thing as 'Your' GOD and 'My' GOD as there is only ONE God and HE is the GOD of us all.

BTW, Pat I really believed you when you said on other posts, that religions are not to blame and we find maniacs in all religions; but unfortunately here you go again blaming Religion, GOD and The Holy Revelations for the deeds of these maniacs.


Rose, Thank you for agreeing with Pat's Ridiculous Suggestions. I would like to see your reaction if you were a Devoted Christian and some other ignorant individual suggested that your Holy Bible, that you so sincerely believed in and know that it was revealed through angel Gabriel and is THE TRUTH, BE REWITTEN by man. Sure way to keep people divided; blame religions and holy revelations, for ignorant human's evil behaviours. Btw Surjit is not a muslim, he is a Islam and Muslim Hater.


Susan Dabrusky,
Did you even read the article? Please show me where in the article does it say "this type of behaviour is allowable in Islam". You love to add in your own words and spread LIES. Nadia vehemently spoke about how her father is a greedy man and must have done the whole thing for money, had nothing to do with Islam.
 

Mary P. (157)
Wednesday October 5, 2011, 5:34 pm
Jim Philips,

Morality varies from culture to culture and society to society. What is perceived to be moral in USA may not apply to other parts of the world, such as Africa or Asia. Morality is also linked to time, sexual intercourse, and dating not long ago was regarded as a matter of shame for the family and was almost never spoken of. However, now this is a common, dating could start as early as at the age of 10. You often see children going out with other to pizza parlors or cinemas. The way people dress has changed a lot over time also, people used to dress very modestly in the early 19th century, and that has completely changed now.

So obviously societies change quickly, so we need to examine the age of marriage in history and judge Prophet's marriage from that. Historically, the age at which a girl was considered ready to be married was puberty; this also was the case in Biblical times. In an article called "Ancient Israelite Marriage Customs", by Jim West, PhD - a Baptist minister writes:

"The wife was to be taken from within the larger family circle (usually at the outset of puberty or around the age of 13) in order to maintain the purity of the family line."

While discussing the meaning of the word 'almah, which is the Hebrew word for "young woman" or "adolescent female", Gerald Segal, in his book "The Jew and the Christian Missionary", Ktav Publishing House, 1981, page 28 says:

"It should be noted, however, that in Biblical times females married at an early age."

The Campaign To Raise The Age Of Consent, 1885-1994 (http://womhist.binghamton.edu/teacher/aoc.htm) [note the education domain] states:
"American reformers were shocked to discover that the laws of most states set the age of consent at the age of ten or twelve, and in one state, Delaware, the age of consent was only seven."

It was completely normal to be married at a young age. This is why the people of Quraish and other tribes at Prophet's time found absolutely no fault in their marriage. These people hated Islam, they did everything to demonize the Prophet, they tried to stop Islam from spreading and even tried to kill the Prophet and these same people made no objection to the marriage of the Prophet to Hazrat Ayesha since at those times such a thing was not considered immoral.

Most narrations carry misstatements about the age of Hazrat ‘Aishah Siddiqah at the time of her marriage to the Holy Prophet,(PBUH). They place this marriage in the tenth year of the Call and state that Hazrat ‘Aishah was only 6 years old at that time. On proper sifting of the material facts, these statements turn out to be incorrect and it becomes evident that she, in fact, was about 19 or 20 years of age when she arrived in the house of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as his wife in 2 A.H.

Maulana Muhammad Ali, M.A., LL.B., in 1924 in his 'Muhammad the Prophet', wherein he wrote:

"The popular misconception as to Aishah’s age may be removed here. That she had not attained majority is clear enough, but that she was not so young as six years of age is also true. In the first place, it is clear that she had reached an age when betrothal could take place in the ordinary course and must therefore have been approaching the age of majority. Again, the Isabah, speaking of the Prophet’s daughter Fatimah, says that she was about five years older than ‘Aishah. It is a well-established fact that Fatimah was born when the Ka’bah was being rebuilt, i.e., five years before the Call or a little before it, and so ‘Aishah was certainly not below ten years at the time of her marriage with the Holy Prophet (pbuh) in the tenth year of the Call. This conclusion is borne out by the testimony of ‘Aishah herself who is reported to have related that when the chapter entitled ‘The Moon’ (the 54th chapter) was revealed she was a girl playing about and that she remembered certain verses then revealed. Now the fifty-fourth chapter could not have been revealed later than the fifth year of the Call, and therefore the report which states her to have been six years old in the tenth year of the Call when her marriage ceremony was gone through cannot be correct, because this would show her to have born about the time of the revelation of the 54th chapter. All these considerations show her to have been not less than ten years old at the time of her marriage. And as the period between her marriage and its consummation was not less than five years, because the consummation took place in the second year of the Flight, it follows that she could not have been less than fifteen at that time. The popular account that she was six years at marriage and nine years at the time of consummation is decidedly not correct, because it supposes the period between the marriage and its consummation to be only three years, while this is historically wrong.

One source states "Hazrat ‘Aishah was a widow and she passed 40 years of her life as a widow. The last days of Khilafat (Caliphate) of Amir Muawiyya were the last days of the life of Hazrat ‘Aishah and her age at that time was 67 years." Now if we deduct 40 years of her widowed life from 67 years then we find she was 27 years of age at the time of the passing away of the Holy Prophet in 11 A.H. and not 18 years as reported by some. Since the total period of the Call is 23 years, therefore, according to this account she was born about four years before the Call and not in the fourth year of the Call. Consequently, her age at the time of the Nikah in the tenth year of the Call works out to 14-15 years and not 6 years. According to this account, Hazrat ‘Aishah’s age at the time of consummation of her marriage in 2 A.H. works out to 19-20 years and not 9 years.


Other Sources:
There are other important events recorded in history which provide definite evidence about the age of Hazrat ‘Aishah.

1. The well-known historian Ibn Jareer al-Tabari writes at page 50 of volume 4 of his 'Book of History': "Abu Bakr married two ladies in the days of ignorance (pre-Call era). Fateelah daughter of Abd al-Aza was the first, from whom Abdullah and Asma were born. Umm-i-Rooman was the second, from whom Abd al-Rahman and ‘Aishah were born. All the four children of Abu Bakr were born in the days of ignorance (Jahiliyyah, i.e., pre-Islamic days) from the above-named two ladies.


2. It is a well-known fact of history, that Abu Bakr’s son Abd al-Rahman fought against the Muslims in the battle of Badr. His age at that time was 21-22 years, and although he was older than ‘Aishah, there is no evidence to show that the difference between their ages was more than three or four years. This fact lends support to the view that Hazrat ‘Aishah was born four or five years before the Call.


3. The well-known historian and scholar ‘Allama ‘Imad-ud-Deen Ibn Katheer writes in his 'Al-Badayah' about Sayedah Asma’ daughter of Hazrat Abu Bakr’ (Allah be pleased with him) (and we hope Maulana Syed Abul Ala Maududi must have seen it as he referred to 'Al-Badaya' in his article): Asma’ died in 73 A.H. at the age of 100 years. She was ten years older than her sister ‘Aishah. Now according to this report ‘Asma’ would have been 27-28 years old at the time of Hijrah and since she was ten years older than Sayedah ‘Aishah, therefore the age of Sayedah ‘Aishah would have been 17 or 18 years at the time of Hijrah. Accordingly, her birth falls about four or five years before the Call, and her age at the time of the consummation of marriage in 2 A.H. will work out to 19-20 years.


4. The author of the well-known collection of Hadith 'Mishkat al-Masabeeh', Sheikh Waheed-ud-Deen, writes in his well-known book 'Ahmal fi Asma’ al-Rijjal':


"At the time of the consummation of her marriage Sayedah ‘Aishah’s age was not less than 18-19 years."


All the above quotations give ample refutation to the common misconception that Sayedah ‘Aishah’s age at the time of her Nikah was 6 years and at the time of consummation of marriage it was only 9 years. If Muslim scholars of the present era deem fit to make an objective research instead of beating the old track, they will find ample material in the pages of history to arrive at a correct age for Sayedah ‘Aishah. This indeed would be a great service to the cause of Islam. – Islamic Review, December 1980, U.S.A.









Even in our times in certain parts of the world the age of marriage is still relatively low. According to a chart on (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#Ages_of_consent_in_various_countries) the age of consent in Mexico and Philippines is only 12. In Guyana, Japan, South Korea, Spain and Swaziland the age of consent is 13. Hence even in 'Today's Times' a young marriage is not abnormal, as some in the west think.

Should the people of the United Kingdom, where the age limit is higher, be correct in slandering the people of Philippines/Mexico where the age limit is much lower and thus married at young age? Of course not! Or if within few centuries the age of marriage rises up to 20, then should those people have a right to slander those who lived at our times and married before 20? By the same token, we should not criticize the marriage of the Prophet based on the norm of our time.


History shows that the age of the marriage was lower and relative to older times, the marriage of the Prophet was normal and there was nothing immoral about it. It was a norm at Biblical times to be wedded at puberty or earlier, the age of consent one century ago in a 'modern country' was as low as 10 or 12, even 7 in Delaware! Even in our times, in certain societies, the age of consent is as low as 12 or 13. In the light of historical evidences, the marriage cannot be criticized.


Joseph and Mary (Mother of Jesus PBUH) Marriage. According to the information below He was 90; she between 12 and 14.

It is probably at Nazareth that Joseph betrothed and married her who was to become the Mother of God. When the marriage took place, whether before or after the Incarnation, is no easy matter to settle, and on this point the masters of exegesis have at all times been at variance. Most modern commentators, following the footsteps of St. Thomas, understand that, at the epoch of the Annunciation, the Blessed Virgin was only affianced to Joseph; as St. Thomas notices, this interpretation suits better all the evangelical data.

It will not be without interest to recall here, unreliable though they are, the lengthy stories concerning St. Joseph's marriage contained in the apocryphal writings. When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and had six children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James (the Less, "the Lord's brother"). A year after his wife's death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age. Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph, and two years later the Annunciation took place. These dreams, as St. Jerome styles them, from which many a Christian artist has drawn his inspiration (see, for instance, Raphael's "Espousals of the Virgin"), are void of authority; they nevertheless acquired in the course of ages some popularity; in them some ecclesiastical writers sought the answer to the well-known difficulty arising from the mention in the Gospel of "the Lord's brothers"; from them also popular credulity has, contrary to all probability, as well as to the tradition witnessed by old works of art, retained the belief that St. Joseph was an old man at the time of marriage with the Mother of God.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Wednesday October 5, 2011, 8:51 pm
Thank you dear Mary. It is wonderful that as a Muslimah, you can deal with such horrific lies about our faith and remain patient with our false accusers. It is upsetting when one has to endure slander and hatred so often but it is a testament to your piety and moral strength that you can respond to insults with calm and patient explanations in return. This is the Islam I know and love and it thoroughly warms my heart to see it being practiced so diligently. May Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) reward your patience generously.

I would also like to add to this thread that there is no such thing as a law book from Islam; no 'Shariah Law' as such. There is the Holy Quran. Living by its principles is called Shariah; literally it means "The Path to the Watering Hole" but it is the pious life of enjoining good and rejecting evil as described in our Teachings.

I am sure that the Holy Quran protects children, young women and society in general perfectly if only everyone would live by its lofty principles.

It is better for the slanderers to know the Teachings well before they try to malign them. I have rarely come across people who criticise the real Islam but this I can deal with happily - they have every right to deny our faith if they wish but the vast majority create or repeat lies first and then use them to cast their hatred upon. This requires that we gently explain the truth so that people will not be led to hate us or God forbid, become violent to us because of those lies.

It is recommended that we advise those mischief makers that it is a very serious offence to use falsehoods to slander any of God's religions. It is even said that they reserve a guaranteed place for themselves in the Hellfire. Please repent all you who have engaged in such practices and do your best to mend your hard hearts with charity and love. I will help wherever I can; I only want what is best for all. I hate the thought of people being led into hatred and damnation by this evil campaign to justify wars against our brothers and sisters by the globalist elite. The propaganda is obvious to us because we know our own faith and I can easily forgive those less familiar with Islam who are fooled into believing propaganda but my forgiveness is irrelevant; they need to ask God for forgiveness.
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (275)
Wednesday October 5, 2011, 11:23 pm
Thank you Mary, for you comment
 

Sandra T. (126)
Thursday October 6, 2011, 12:19 am
Thank you dear Mary and Scott. I applaud you for this wonderful post dear sister. It is clear proof that slander and false accusations are purposefully directed at our great religion, and I would love to say that is purely out of ignorance which can be remedied by very simple research, and while that may very well be the case for some; it becomes more evident each time that it is arrogance and pure evil at work against Islam.

The good news is, all false claims can be very easily refuted. The religion of Islam is perfectly open to scrutiny and criticism and will not fail to provide an answer for a question or proof of falsehood against slanderous and malignent accusations.

I have also prepared some comments previously to yours, so some it what you have already stated is repeated, I will post as it was prepared.

There are several historical facts that prove that Aisha was no less than 15 or 16, but probably even older at the time of her marriage.According to almost all the historians, Asma the elder sister of Aisha, was then years older than Aisha. Asma died in 73 Hijra at 100 years of age, which means that she was 27 or 28 at the actual time of Hijra, and that makes Aisha 17 or 18 at that time, which is the time of her marriage, at 1 AH or 2AH.


Also Fatemah, the daughter of Prophet Muhammed(SAWA) was five years older than Aisha, and Fatemah is reported to have been born when he was 35 years old. When taking this into account, Aisha could have been no less than 14 years at the time of Hijra, and at least 15 to 16 at the time of marriage.


Most of these narratives that Aisha was six years old are reported only by Hisham ibn’ urwa, reporting on the authority of his father. No other from Medina, which is where Hisham had lived the first seventy one years of his life had narrated this same event, eventhough in Medina his pupils included people as well known as Malik ibn Anas. All the narratives of this report have been reported by narrators from Iraq, where Hisham is reported to have lived after his 71 year life in Medina, already of fairly old age.


Tehzib’ul thehzib, a man who was one of the most well known books on the life and the reliability of the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet(SAWA) said the following about Hisham ibn’urwa’s narrations:
“Narratives reported by Hisham are reliable, EXCEPT THOSE THAT ARE REPORTED THROUGH THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ. “(Surely there were reasons why he didn’t trust the people of Iraq at that time)
Even the earlier mentioned pupil of Hisham objected on those narratives of Hisham which were reported through the people of Iraq (Vol11. Pg48 – 51).

Now we have to remember that most of his life there was no mention of such a hadeeth of Aisha having married at the age of six. By the time he left to Iraq in addition to that he was known for having short memory there, and this was even mentioned in a book written by Mizan’ul –ai Tidal, another book of the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet Muhammed. He says of Hisham in his very book:
“Hisham’s memory suffered quite badly” (Vol4. Pg.301 -302)

So here we can conclude, that merely relying on hadeeths which were later adopted by Bukhari and others knowing the very history of Hisham, the ONLY narrator of this hadeeth after 71 years of his life is more than just unreliably.

It is a big mistake, and has no verifiable source as well as no historical background to back up this claim of Aisha's very young age at marriage. Aisha was no less than 15 or 16 but probably even older than that.
 

Sandra T. (126)
Thursday October 6, 2011, 1:13 am
Scott, I just now saw that you also posted on the fourth of October. Thank you very much, and very well stated.

Surjit is very likely someone else's fake second profile. How outrageous pretending to be a Muslim, while stating complete falsehoods about Islam and on top of that leading to a hate site. Have you no shame at all?!?

You have exposed yourself for who you really are, a mischievous fraud and liar. None of us Muslims would EVER say what you have!! May God Almighty forgive you for this severe deception!
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (275)
Thursday October 6, 2011, 3:22 pm
Thank you Sandra
 

Charlene Rush (2)
Sunday October 9, 2011, 6:18 pm
Sometimes, it's arduous for us to comprehend such Neanderthal behavior.
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (275)
Sunday October 9, 2011, 10:57 pm
so true Charlene
 
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