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BBC Announced 9/11 Building 7 Collapse Before It Happened


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Video of a BBC News broadcast from the World Trade Center area on 9/11 has surfaced revealing that the BBC reported the collapse of Building 7 approximately 23 minutes before it actually went down.



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Past Member (0)
Friday June 29, 2007, 9:09 am
Video of a BBC News broadcast from the World Trade Center area on 9/11 has surfaced revealing that the BBC reported the collapse of Building 7 approximately 23 minutes before it actually went down. The reporter is seen in the video apparently reading a teleprompter reporting the collapse while the building is still standing in the background behind her.
The BBC has claimed that it lost all of the video of its reportage on 9/11, but a copy of the report has been played on a British television program and is now posted on the internet. As can be seen in our full report, dozens of prominent US officials are now questioning the 9/11 story.

BBC News Editor Richard Porter has stated on his BBC News blog that "We didn't get told in advance that buildings were going to fall down. We didn't receive press releases or scripts in advance of events happening." He has also stated that the reporter involved, Jane Standley, both "has the events seared on her mind" and "doesn't remember minute-by-minute what she said."

However, what she said and when she did so is now a matter of public record despite the fact that, according to Mr. Porter's claim, "we no longer have the original tapes of our 9/11 coverage."

The report in question begins approximately 10 minutes into the BBC video. To see it, click here.

It is difficult to understand how a news organization could have made a mistake such as this, unless a pre-arranged script was read at the wrong time. The collapse was simply ignored by the 9/11 commission. It has been separately attributed to a subsurface fire. Certainly, it was not in any way anticipated.

The media, in general, tries to scoff at the idea that the events of 9/11 have not been properly investigated, but numerous present and former US government officials are not scoffing.

Senator Max Cleland - Former member of the 9/11 Commission, resigned in December 2003 "I, as a member of the [9/11] Commission, cannot look any American in the eye... It is a national scandal... this White House wants to cover [9/11] up."


Senator Mark Dayton - Member, Senate Committee on Armed Services and Homeland Security "[NORAD] lied to the American people, they lied to Congress and they lied to your 9/11 Commission...the most gross incompetence and dereliction of responsibility and negligence"


Congressman Ron Paul - Vice Chairman of the Oversight and Investigations subcommittee "the [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation"


Congressman Curt Weldon - "[9/11 Commission] there's something very sinister going on here... something desperately wrong... This involved what is right now the covering up of information that led to the deaths of 3,000 people"


Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney - Member of the House Armed Services Committee "the [9/11] Commission ran up against obstruction by the administration and non-cooperation from government agencies... the errors and omissions immediately jumped out at us"


Director of the FBI, Louis Freeh - "[9/11 Commission] findings--raises serious challenges to the commission's credibility and, if the facts prove out, might just render the commission historically insignificant itself"


Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury, Paul Craig Roberts, PhD - "Distinguished national and international scientists and scholars present massive evidence that the 9/11 Commission Report is a hoax and that the 9/11 "terrorist attack" has been manipulated to serve a hegemonic agenda in the Middle East... We know that it is strictly impossible for any building, much less steel columned buildings, to "pancake" at free fall speed. Therefore, it is a non-controversial fact that the official explanation of the collapse of the WTC buildings is false."


Assistant Secretary of Housing, Catherine Austin Fitts - "Regarding 9/11 "The official story could not possibly have happened... It's not possible. It's not operationally feasible... The Commission was a? whitewash. "


U.S. Army Intelligence officer, Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice, John Loftus ~ "The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defence of incompetence"


Foreign Service Officer, George Kenney - " I cannot believe, much as I might like to, the standard account of 9/11"


Foreign Service Officer, J. Michael Springman - "Fifteen of the nineteen people who allegedly flew airplanes into buildings in the United States got their visas from the same CIA Consulate at Jeddah"


Deputy Attorney General, State of Pennsylvania, Philip J. Berg, Esquire - "The official story of what actually took place on 9/11 is a lie. "


Major General U.S. Army, Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, Albert Stubblebine ~ "I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, 'The plane does not fit in that hole'. So what did hit the Pentagon?"


Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps - Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense,? Deputy Director of Field Operations for the U.S. Marine Corps Historical Center - "I'm astounded that the conspiracy theory advanced by the administration could in fact be true and the evidence does not seem to suggest that's accurate"


Col. Robert Bowman, U.S. Air Force, Director of Advanced Space Programs, PhD? Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering - " the official 9/11 story is impossible .. There is a cover up .. high levels of our government don't want us to know what happened .. highly placed individuals in the administration .. Dick Cheney .. the very kindest thing we can say about George W Bush .. is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder"


Col. George Nelson, U.S. Air Force, aircraft accident investigator ~ "I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident... The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from view .. with all the evidence readilty available at the pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as? alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged .. the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history "


Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army ~ "Regarding the impact at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile."


Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force, fighter pilot, commercial pilot flying 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777's.? Had previously flown Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC ~"The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple...[Regarding Flight 77]"The airplane could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall.? The airplane won't go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers at those bank angles... The vehicle that hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77"


Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force, Office of the Secretary of Defense, staff of the Director of the National Security Agency ~ "It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory, mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics.? The collapses of the World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics...There was a dearth of visible debris on the relatively unmarked Pentagon, where I stood only minutes after the impact. Beyond this strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage one would expect from the impact of a large airliner... this visible evidence or lack thereof may also have been apparent to the Sec of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who in an unfortunate slip of the tongue referred to the aircraft that slamed into the Pentagon as a ' missile ' ... I saw nothing of significance at the point of contact ~ no airplane metal or cargo debris was blowing on the lawn in front of the damaged building as smoke billowed from within the Pentagon .. all of us staring at the Pentagon that morning were indeed looking for such debris, but what we expected was not evident .. the same is true with regard to the damage we expected .. but I did not see this kind of damage. Rather, the facade had a rather small hole, no larger than 20 feet in diameter. Although this facade later collapsed, it remained standing for 30 0r 40 minutes, with the roof remaining relatively straight .. The scene, in short, was not what I would have expected from a strike by a large jetliner. It was, however, exactly what one would have expected if a missile had struck the Pentagon "


Senior Military Affairs Journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School, Barbara Honegger, MS ~ "The US military, not al Qaeda, had the sustained access weeks before 9/11 to also plant controlled demolition charges throughout the superstructures of WTC 1 and WTC 2, and in WTC 7, which brought down all three buildings on 9/11...A US military plane, not one piloted by al Qaeda, performed the highly skilled, high speed 270 degree dive towards the Pentagon that Air Traffic Controllers on 9/11 were sure was a military plane as they watched it on their screens. Only a military aircraft, not a civilian plane flown by al Qaeda, would have given off the "Friendly" signal needed to disable the Pentagon's anti aircraft missile batteries as it approached the building...Only the US military, not al Qaeda, had the ability to break all of its Standard Operating Procedures to paralyze its own emergency response system"

Capt. Gregory M. Zeigler, PhD, U.S. Army, U.S. Army Intelligence Officer ~ "I knew from September 18, 2001, that the official story about 9/11 was false. ... [A]nomalies poured in rapidly: the hijackers' names appearing in none of the published flight passenger lists, BBC reports of stolen identities of the alleged hijackers or the alleged hijackers being found alive, the obvious demolitions of WTC 1 and 2...and WTC7...not hit by an airplane...the lack of identifiable Boeing 757 wreckage at the Pentagon"


Capt. Eric H. May, U.S. Army, Intelligence officer ~ "I view the 9/11 event ...as a matter that implies either...A) passive participation by the Bush White House through a deliberate stand-down or B) active execution of a plot by rogue elements of government, starting with the White House itself, in creating a spectacle of destruction that would lead the United States into an invasion of the Middle East"


Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA, responsible for preparing the President's Daily Brief, U.S. Army Intelligence Officer, Raymond L. McGovern ~ " I think at simplest terms, there's a cover-up.? The 9/11 report is a joke...just as Hitler in 1933 cynically exploited the burning of the parliament building, the Reichstag, this is exactly what our President did in exploiting 9/11...making a war of aggression on a country that he knew had nothing to do with 9/11...that's certainly an impeachable offense...But compelling evidence for an even more disturbing conclusion: that the 9/11 attacks were themselves orchestrated by this administration precisely so they could be thus exploited."


National Intelligence Officer and Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis, William Christison ~? "there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe.? An airliner almost certainly did not hit The Pentagon. The North and South Towers of the World Trade Center almost certainly did not collapse and fall to earth because hijacked aircraft hit them...this all was totally an inside job. I have since decided that....at least some elements in this US government had contributed in some way or other to causing 9/11 to happen or at least allowing it to happen... The reason that the two towers in New York actually collapsed and fell all the way to the ground was controlled explosions rather than just being hit by two airplanes. All of the characteristics of these demolitions show that they almost had to have been controlled explosions... I think you almost have to look at the 9/11 Commission Report as a joke and not a serious piece of analysis at all... It's a monstrous crime"


?U.S. Marine Corps intelligence officer, case officer CIA. Robert David Steele ~ "I am forced to conclude that there is sufficient evidence to indict (not necessarily convict) Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and others...This is, without question, the most important modern reference on state-sponsored terrorism, and also the reference that most pointedly suggests that select rogue elements within the US Government, most likely led by Dick Cheney with the assistance of George Tenet, Buzzy Kronguard, and others close to the Wall Street gangs, are the most guilty of state-sponsored terrorism...I'm absolutely certain that WTC 7 was brought down by controlled demolition and that as far as I'm concerned means that this case has not been properly investigated.? There's no way that building could have come down without controlled demolition"


CIA Case Officer, Specialist in the Middle East, Directorate of Operations, Awarded Career Intelligence Medal, Robert Baer "Regarding the opinion there was an aspect of 'inside job' to 9/11 within the U.S. government, there is that possibility, the evidence points at it."


Counter-terrorism expert in the Security Division of the federal Aviation Administration. Team leader of the FAA's Red (Terrorism) Team in the Federal Air Marshall program, Coast Guard officer, Bogdan Dzakovic ~ "At worst, I think the 9/11 Commission Report is treasonous."


Minister of Justice, West Germany, Horst Ehmke, PhD - "Terrorists could not have carried out such an operation with four hijacked planes without the support of a secret service."


State Secretary, Federal Ministry of Defense, West Germany, Andreas von Buelow, PhD - "The official story is so inadequate and far-fetched that there must be another one...This is unthinkable, without years-long support from secret apparatuses of the state and industry."


President of Italy, Francesco Cossiga ~ "[9/11] could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and flight security personnel."


General Leonid Ivashov, Chief of Staff, Russian armed forces, Ministry of Defense ~ "Only secret services and their current chiefs - or those retired but still having influence inside the state organizations - have the ability to plan, organize and conduct an operation [9/11] of such magnitude...Osama bin Laden and "Al Qaeda" cannot be the organizers nor the performers of the September 11 attacks. They do not have the necessary organization, resources or leaders."


Foreign Minister of Egypt, Mohamed Hassanein Heikal ~ "Bin Laden does not have the capabilities for an operation [9/11] of this magnitude. When I hear Bush talking about al-Qaida as if it was Nazi Germany or the communist party of the Soviet Union, I laugh because I know what is there. Bin Laden has been under surveillance for years: every telephone call was monitored and al-Qaida has been penetrated by American intelligence, Pakistani intelligence, Saudi intelligence, Egyptian intelligence. They could not have kept secret an operation that required such a degree of organisation and sophistication."

Chief of Staff, Pakistani Army, General Mirza Aslam Beg ~ "The information which is now coming up, goes to prove that involvement by the 'rogue elements' of the U.S. military and intelligence organization is getting more obvious. Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda definitely do not have the knowhow and the capability to launch such operations involving such high precision coordination, based on information and expertise."


European Parliament, Committee on Security and Defense, Giulietto Chiesa ~ regarding 9-11 "Billions of people were given only one explanation....which is entirely false....everyone who dares to question it is treated as if he was a fool."


French Army Intelligence and artillery officer, Col. Pierre-Henri Bunel, Expert in the effects of artillery weapons and explosives ~ Regarding Department of Defense photos of the Pentagon on 9/11 "Image of the impact on the Pentagon is very instructive as to the nature of the explosion. ... It corresponds to a detonation of an explosive with high energetic power.? The explosion does not correspond to a deflagration of kerosene...suggests a single engine flying vehicle much smaller in size than an airliner...resembles the effects of anti-concrete hollow charges that I have been able to observe on a number of battlefields...lead me therefore to think that the detonation that struck the building was that of a high-powered hollow charge used to destroy hardened buildings and carried by an aerial vehicle, a missile."


Safety Engineer and accident Analyst, National Safety Technology Authority, Finland, Heikki Kurttila, PhD ~ "Conclusion: The observed collapse time of WTC 7 was 6.5 seconds. That is only half a second longer than it would have taken for the top of the building to fall to the ground in a vacuum, and half a second shorter than the falling time of an apple when air resistance is taken into account. ... The great speed of the collapse and the low value of the resistance factor strongly suggest controlled demolition."

Counter-Terrorism Officer, MI5 (Britain), David Shayler - regarding 9-11 "The available evidence indicates that people in key positions in the FBI, the State Department, the CIA and so on were not loyal to the Constitution; that they saw an opportunity in plans laid down by genuine Islamic terrorists to carry out an operation that would shock the world and would therefore justify U.S. adventurism in the middle East, particularly in Afghanistan and Iraq."


Chairman, 9/11 Commission, Thomas H. Kean, Former Governor of New Jersey - "FAA and NORAD officials advanced an account of 9/11 that was untrue...We, to this day, don't know why NORAD told us what they told us...It was just so far from the truth."


Vice Chairman, 9/11 Commission, Lee Hamilton, Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Homeland Security Advisory Council ~ "we got started late; we had a very short time frame...we did not have enough money...We had a lot of people strongly opposed to what we did. We had a lot of trouble getting access to documents and to people. ... So there were all kinds of reasons we thought we were set up to fail"


9/11 Commissioner, Timothy J. Roemer, PhD, Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence - "that panel members so distrusted testimony from Pentagon officials that they referred their concerns to the Pentagon's inspector general...We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting"


Senior Counsel, 9/11 Commission, John J. Farmer, Jr., Former Attorney General, NJ, Former Commissioner of the State Commission of Investigations ~ "Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon's initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public. I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described...The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years."
 

Eyes O. (411)
Friday June 29, 2007, 9:50 am
Thanks Johnmichael, very strange about the controversy surrounding 9/11. We need answers from those who will finally give them to us far too late to do anything about it....like always!! A "secrete" government is a "ruling" dictatorship and not a government at all. They are "above" the people, looking "down" at us.
 

Dave Kane (308)
Friday June 29, 2007, 9:53 am
Rats are most dangerous when they feel cornered.

If the mainstream media Ever gets around to The Biggest Story of the century, I would not be surprised at another "attack" followed by Martial Law and this peabrained president's roll-out of his shadow government.

I mean Cheney's roll-out of His shadow government.

IMPEACHMENT is better than they deserve.
 

Jakki S. (173)
Friday June 29, 2007, 9:56 am
Thank-You,Not old news to me!
 

George R W. (63)
Friday June 29, 2007, 10:29 am


"Video of a BBC News broadcast from the World Trade Center area on 9/11 has surfaced revealing that the BBC reported the collapse of Building 7 approximately 23 minutes before it actually went down."

And that video could not be altered in any way?
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 29, 2007, 11:02 am
"BBC News 24 also broadcast that WTC 7 had collapsed, and a corroborative time stamp was on their broadcast."

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/bbc_wtc7_videos.html
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 29, 2007, 11:15 am
Slam Dunk Evidence Of Controlled Demolition...

Electron microscope analysis of steel spheres from WTC site proves thermate, proves collapse of twin towers was an act of deliberate arson ...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/220507controlleddemolition.htm
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (465)
Friday June 29, 2007, 11:19 am
If no airplane, but a missile, hit the Pentagon; then that "disappeared" airplane, with its IDENTIFYING PARTS, and DNA FROM THE DEAD BODIES INSIDE, has got to be SOMEWHERE.
It would not be a great surprise, if it were on one of those vast ranches in Texas, owned by a Bushie family member or friend, outside of Austin. Yes, there is specific information, which it might be dangerous to reveal now. Also, of course, the plane could be at the bottom of the ocean {in which case it would have been seen flying over borders by radar and coast guards of this and other countries}; or, the plane could be hidden on a U.S. Air Force Base. But, it IS SOMEWHERE. And, there may be more than one airplane "disappeared"...... Flight 93......... Flight 77........ even the ones that hit the Twin Towers, might have been faked........... huge planes do not just turn into nothingness.
All those planes DID leave the airports -- and went where?????? By the way, GUESS WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF SECURITY FOR THE AIRPORT. You'll NEVER guess -- it was Bush's younger brother, MARVIN BUSH, and Bush's cousin. THIS IS A MATTER OF THE PUBLIC RECORD: verifiable.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 29, 2007, 12:54 pm
Tis true folks... 9-11 was an inside job. No doubt about it!
 

Cheryl Benson (390)
Friday June 29, 2007, 1:02 pm
actual VIDEO to this SUBMISSION is on the next page at
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49f_1172526096
 

Maureen S. (122)
Friday June 29, 2007, 1:04 pm
Greetings BMT . . .

That missing plane that you speak of? It's at the bottom of the Atlantic!!! It was being tracked and fighters were sent up to bring it down as it approaced D.C.; so . . . knowing that it "disappeared" off of FAA radar . . . it was either shot down (hmmmmmm . . . ) or . . . the terrorists on board ensured she went down. Either way, there is no way that we will EVER recover that one!!! There's no telling where all of her went.

The one thing that I do know is that there WASN'T a plane at the Pentagon . . . and that leaves only the deep blue sea; may the Gods protect the beloved souls who were most likely shot down by our own fighter pilots. Would that one of them would step forward and tell the truth!!!
 

Maureen S. (122)
Friday June 29, 2007, 1:23 pm
The only other thing that I would add is that when we consider how Bush sat for another 7 minutes looking like a deer caught in headlights . . . we can presume that he MAY NOT have known what the plan was!!! Can you not just imagine??? Daddy, Wolfowitz, Cheney and Rumsfeld . . . and others associated with PNAC could easily have told him "don't worry . . . it won't be too serious; just enough to justify a war!!!"

Any thoughts?
 

Yvonne White (232)
Friday June 29, 2007, 1:54 pm
Maureen, I agree that Bu$h seemed not to know to react - poor planning from his Handlers.. He could never be mistaken for the "mastermind" of anything anyway. But he's still guilty as sin & up to his ears in PNAC plots!
 

Eleanor B. (909)
Friday June 29, 2007, 1:58 pm
The BBC has lost all their coverage of something as monumental as 9/11? How incredibly odd!
 

Edwin TwoTrees (178)
Friday June 29, 2007, 2:08 pm
How can it be that there is not a huge public uproar over this? I think it is because many people just can't handle the idea that elected officials could be so vile. Also, the media is so tightly controlled that they would never allow the mere discussion of US complicity. May the moral fiber of those who know cause them to speak out and may the truth be known.
 

Yvonne White (232)
Friday June 29, 2007, 3:16 pm
I think that people have become resigned to the Fact that Politicians have (almost) all Sold Out to the highest bidders - so people already Know the Truth is the Last Thing we'll hear..
 

David Cromie (6)
Friday June 29, 2007, 4:26 pm
I watched the BBC News 24 broadcast live on 9/11. However, I did not know which building was being referred to, nor did the BBC reporter, as she moved to one side to give the viewers a better look at the scene behind her, which showed Building 7 was still standing in the background. On the question of the 'missing' tapes, let's face it, it WAS a hectic day, and I am sure proper indexing, and filing was the LAST thing on anyone's mind in all that destruction and carnage, etc. The proper question is; WHO told her that Building 7 had collapsed BEFORE it was demolished?
 

John Jones (143)
Friday June 29, 2007, 5:09 pm
The truth IS out there. Dave Kane. I predicted when Bush was first elected (not) that before he left office he would cause something to happen to declair martial law so he wouldn't have to leave. Also there was a report on 911 on one of the networks that we shot down one of the planes but they never said it again. I heard it when they said it. Kinda like when they said Gore won the election and fox "changed their minds". Maureen your probably right about Bush not knowing. Cheney is the one that runs things. Bush dont have the brains, kinda like Bush Sr running things when Reagan was prez. This might sound silly but I was watching a program on the History channel about UFO's and the presidents and Ford wanted to know more. Guess who he put in charge of getting the answers and keeping them secret? BushSr, Cheney and Rumsfield. Another thing all the debri from wts was shipped to China as fast as they could get it there. Wonder why? There was also tons of gold in a vault there, where did it go? The BIG question is, what the hell is really going on?
 

Elsa ED (231)
Friday June 29, 2007, 6:10 pm
Rumsfeld Sept 10, 2001: The Pentagon cannot account for $2.3 TRILLION
http://benfrank.net/patriots/news/national/pentagon_missing_trillions

The War On Waste
Defense Department Cannot Account For 25% Of Funds — $2.3 Trillion
On Sept. 10, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld declared war. Not on foreign terrorists, "the adversary's closer to home. It's the Pentagon bureaucracy," he said.

He said money wasted by the military poses a serious threat.

"In fact, it could be said it's a matter of life and death," he said.

Rumsfeld promised change but the next day – Sept. 11-- the world changed and in the rush to fund the war on terrorism, the war on waste seems to have been forgotten.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml
 

Elsa ED (231)
Friday June 29, 2007, 6:12 pm
THAT IS $8,000 FOR EACH PERSON IN THE USA
 

David Cromie (6)
Friday June 29, 2007, 6:24 pm
BMT, ther is an analysis of the plane's black box, from the moment of takeoff to the approach to the Pentagon, at which point the recording stops. However, the information retrieved from the blackbox data clearly illustrates that the plane was at about 173 feet up, and at the distance of about a few hundred yards from the Pentagon, travelling at 500 mph (as far as I remember). ALL the experts consulted, including the aircraft designers, have said, unequivocally, that this, or any other passenger plane, COULD NOT have dived from that height, at that speed, in the short distance it was from the building, so as to crash into itFurthermore, there were NO pieces of plane debris recovered from the site, nor was it possible for this plane to have made such a SMALL, virtually circular, hole in the facade. That there was a plane in the air at the time is beyond doubt as there were believable witnesses to testify to this fact. Hence, the question arises, what crashed into the Pentagon? From the available evidence, it would not be too farfetched to assume that it could have been a missile. The experts referred to previously, attested that only a jet fighter could have made the manoevour required to hit the Pentagon, so was it a USAF plane on auto pilot which did the damage? Remember that the anti-aircraft batteries behind the Pentagon were not alerted, even though the 'plane' was being tracked on radar, nor were any intercept planes scrambled!!
The whole 9/11 outrage was made to look like Pearl Harbour revisited - see the Official Report. As I watched on BBC, that day, and having missed the start of the coverage, I assumed I was viewing another Hollywood 'disaster movie, and then when I realised that what I was seeing was actually happening, I immediately thought, in my ignorance, of Pearl Harbour, myself!.
There is another intriguing angle; only the day before, the Secretary for Defence was forced to admit, in a TV interview, that 3 TRILLION dollars were missing from the Defence Account and could not be accounted for!! What a happy coincidence, then, that the only offices destroyed in the Pentagon, were those of the newly refurbished ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT; records, computers, and all. I am not one for conspiracy theories, but .................!! I'll bet that these arrogant Bushco twisters are sorry now that a Brit was given the blackbox print-out, under the Freedom of Information laws, fondly believing that a mere 'nobody' would never be able to get his hands on the decrypting software, which he achieved, albeit with some difficulty! If I can find the link to this expose of the blackbox secrets, I will post it here for those who have not yet seen it.
 

Jennie B. (14)
Friday June 29, 2007, 8:50 pm
Noted and Forwarded
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 29, 2007, 11:51 pm
Just so conservatives don't take it to heart. I DON'T THINK BUSH DID IT!!! Cas' he isn't that smart. He's just a stupid puppet takin' orders on a cell phone. From the same people that murdered Senator Wellstone-Immortal Technique

Read this you stupid asshole!!!!

9/11 Debunkers Hide From Slam Dunk Evidence Of Controlled Demolition...

Electron microscope analysis of steel spheres from WTC site proves thermate, proves collapse of twin towers was an act of deliberate arson ...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/220507controlleddemolition.htm

Now you listen to me you stupid prick! They can take me off of Care2 and I could give a shit less, but talk that ignorant shit to my face buddy! I'll knock your fuckin' teeth out!!! They can remove from here, but I!!!! And the TRUTH!!!!! CANNOT BE STOPPED!!! YOU WANNA MEET ME!!!! I'M READY BUDDY!!!!! HIT ME UP!!!!!
 

Jakki S. (173)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 12:31 am
John Michael,big hugs to you! I would care very much if they took you off care2 because this person hides behind a wall,just like ouir government.His banter is as effectual and bitter as an old womens!COWARD
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 1:34 am
THANK YOU JAKKI! BUT, I WILL BE GONE SOMEDAY SOON. I'M SURE OF IT. KICKED OR VOLUNTARY... CAS... FIRST OFF, PEOPLE HERE ARE ALREADY BEING PETTY... AND I WILL NOT TAKE SHIT LIKE THE POST BEFORE. JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE INTERNET!!!! I DON'T CARE!!! THE TRUTH MOVEMENT WILL MISS PEOPLE LIKE ME WHEN WE ARE RAN AWAY AND GIVE UP!!!
 

Ola H. (26)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 3:07 am
From a 2003 piece in the London Observer, about the book "The faith of George W Bush" by Stephen Mansfield:

The book also shows that in the lead-up to announcing his candidacy for the presidency, Bush told a Texan evangelist that he had had a premonition of some form of national disaster happening.

Bush said to James Robinson: 'I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it.'

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Ola H. (26)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 3:07 am


http://observer.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,,1076025,00.html


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David Cromie (6)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 4:51 am
Here is the link to the analysis of the AA Flight 77 blackbox:

 

David Cromie (6)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 5:28 am
I will try again!!

http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AsMrxaJsJY0UhxLYccvABDReDNEF;_ylv=0/SIG=12d29qjsg/SIG=12sv1sej6/EXP=1183210029/**http%3A//video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid=2833924626286859522%26hl=en-GB
 

David Cromie (6)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 5:36 am
... or this one:

http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AsMrxaJsJY0UhxLYccvABDReDNEF;_ylv=0/SIG=1425sefi0/SIG=14hdphl52/EXP=1183210333/**http%3A//video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid=-8672066571196607580%26total=66%26start=0%26num=10%26so=0%26type=search%26plindex=1
 

Jakki S. (173)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 7:36 am
Why are you still here when my friend is not?I HATE TROLLS!
 

Pamela Salomon (255)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 7:40 am
Noted.( Don't feed the troll.)
 

Louis L. (0)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 7:46 am
Thanks friends,

Despite I knew already about this from the Italian investigators who found this BBC-case and made the copy-video, it is nice to see the meanings of a lot of important people in the US about those crooks and murder in the White (Black) House of the New Old Under World Order. Hope and expect their best times are gone now because the world has seen some truth and resist now: http://www.larouchepac.com/pages/breaking_news/2007/06/28/london_financial_times.asp
being one of the big number of scandals.

Being the 9/11-scandal already one of the biggest scandals in history and alone already reason enough to send this whole gang of murderer and warmongers to their own concentration camp on Cuba for a very long period of interrogation, torture and water games as well for perfect isolation from the civilised world with just 1 round/day as a dog on a chain with a promise to kill them one day on a long rope. Of course all of their stolen money and wealth should be seized, so their family (if not also in jail as accomplices) can also experience how to live in misery and poverty.

BTW. One of the known secrets was that on the 23 nd floor of the WTC-building there was a big store of gold being an enormous amount in gold stolen from the Iraq bank in Bagdad in the first days of the war by a special command of 100 marines. Of course the criminal Neocons kept this carefully secret and of course the CIA took care for those 100 marines that they did not survive the war shortly after this gold-operation.

It is reported that within 1 hour before the WTC was blowing up (inside CIA-job instead of an AQ-operation) and the Bin Laden family leaved the USA within 1 hour after the blow, a number of trucks leaved the WTC with the gold. It is realistic to assume that the Mr.Goldfingers are the Bushes/Cheneys and their gang which stole also over 4.5 Trillion Dollar on gold from Ambassador Manta (see below) , being a part of 27.5 trillion dollar in gold belonging to the American people (Treasury).
They stole also gold for an amount of 2.4 trillion dollar belonging to the Queen of England (see same report of Worldreports below).
For those reasons Paulson was arrested in Germany last December in order of the International Court of Justice and was released at 2 January.
Those 2 facts where in fact the main subjects on the G8 (not the climate) where Bush tried to cheat again the international community with falls promises of payment of the 4.8 trillion in gold (which Bush senior Stole) , reason why Bush junior he got a very cold reception and stay in Germany. Of course those facts where and are not reported by the main stream press.

But friends, perhaps we see very soon all the big Neocons in jail as a result of the Mantagate-scandal. This can be seen as the biggest financial world manipulation
with the stolen gold and all manipulations to keep it.
With Greenspan, one of the first big Neocons and the biggest scammer in the world selling and printing worthless US-dollars fiat money, behind bars now without bail it might be just the beginning of the end of those crooks. It seems that the biggest crook ever being Cheney is already ‘hiding out’ because he fears for his live and of course for following Greenspan in jail without bail. And there are other scandals where he get problems.
Reed the full story on : http://www.worldreports.org/news/66_cheney_hides_out_as_ which delivered a ‘Writ of Mandamus’ now and big problems for the Neocons.

Take some days off and take the time and read it all very carefully because with all this a lot of other things will be very clear. And friends please spread this news as much as possible because I mostly have not time enough for that. Whit this other scandal beside the 9/11-scandal, the things move perhaps in the right direction quickly and hopefully all the Neocons land in jail without bail for very long time being a survival of the free world or …….we have a dictatorship, police-state, Worldwar 3 very soon after another covered up operation.
Other very well trusted and very good sources for me are:
1. Globalresearch.ca (see http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=COH20070626&articleId=6157 )
2. A very well respected source is from Carolyne Baker at: carolyn@carolynbaker.org
3. Senator Lyndon Laroch as a worldwide respected economical expert delivering always the latest news as a well informed and integer source:
at http://www.larouchepac.com/pages/breaking_news/2007/06/28/coming_fall_cheney.asp and also:
http://www.larouchepac.com/pages/breaking_news/2007/06/29/more_congressmen_impeach.asp question is if Cheney can be jailed or must be
impeached first.

Good luck to all and regards

Louis
 

Louis L. (0)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 7:50 am
Thanks friends,

Despite I knew already about this from the Italian investigators who found this BBC-case and made the copy-video, it is nice to see the meanings of a lot of important people in the US about those crooks and murder in the White (Black) House of the New Old Under World Order. Hope and expect their best times are gone now because the world has seen some truth and resist now: http://www.larouchepac.com/pages/breaking_news/2007/06/28/london_financial_times.asp
being one of the big number of scandals.

Being the 9/11-scandal already one of the biggest scandals in history and alone already reason enough to send this whole gang of murderer and warmongers to their own concentration camp on Cuba for a very long period of interrogation, torture and water games as well for perfect isolation from the civilised world with just 1 round/day as a dog on a chain with a promise to kill them one day on a long rope. Of course all of their stolen money and wealth should be seized, so their family (if not also in jail as accomplices) can also experience how to live in misery and poverty.

BTW. One of the known secrets was that on the 23 nd floor of the WTC-building there was a big store of gold being an enormous amount in gold stolen from the Iraq bank in Bagdad in the first days of the war by a special command of 100 marines. Of course the criminal Neocons kept this carefully secret and of course the CIA took care for those 100 marines that they did not survive the war shortly after this gold-operation.

It is reported that within 1 hour before the WTC was blowing up (inside CIA-job instead of an AQ-operation) and the Bin Laden family leaved the USA within 1 hour after the blow, a number of trucks leaved the WTC with the gold. It is realistic to assume that the Mr.Goldfingers are the Bushes/Cheneys and their gang which stole also over 4.5 Trillion Dollar on gold from Ambassador Manta (see below) , being a part of 27.5 trillion dollar in gold belonging to the American people (Treasury).
They stole also gold for an amount of 2.4 trillion dollar belonging to the Queen of England (see same report of Worldreports below).
For those reasons Paulson was arrested in Germany last December in order of the International Court of Justice and was released at 2 January.
Those 2 facts where in fact the main subjects on the G8 (not the climate) where Bush tried to cheat again the international community with falls promises of payment of the 4.8 trillion in gold (which Bush senior Stole) , reason why Bush junior he got a very cold reception and stay in Germany. Of course those facts where and are not reported by the main stream press.

But friends, perhaps we see very soon all the big Neocons in jail as a result of the Mantagate-scandal. This can be seen as the biggest financial world manipulation
with the stolen gold and all manipulations to keep it.
With Greenspan, one of the first big Neocons and the biggest scammer in the world selling and printing worthless US-dollars fiat money, behind bars now without bail it might be just the beginning of the end of those crooks. It seems that the biggest crook ever being Cheney is already ‘hiding out’ because he fears for his live and of course for following Greenspan in jail without bail. And there are other scandals where he get problems.
Reed the full story on : http://www.worldreports.org/news/66_cheney_hides_out_as_ which delivered a ‘Writ of Mandamus’ now and big problems for the Neocons.

Take some days off and take the time and read it all very carefully because with all this a lot of other things will be very clear. And friends please spread this news as much as possible because I mostly have not time enough for that. Whit this other scandal beside the 9/11-scandal, the things move perhaps in the right direction quickly and hopefully all the Neocons land in jail without bail for very long time being a survival of the free world or …….we have a dictatorship, police-state, Worldwar 3 very soon after another covered up operation.
Other very well trusted and very good sources for me are:
1. Globalresearch.ca (see http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=COH20070626&articleId=6157 )
2. A very well respected source is from Carolyne Baker at: carolyn@carolynbaker.org
3. Senator Lyndon Laroch as a worldwide respected economical expert delivering always the latest news as a well informed and integer source:
at http://www.larouchepac.com/pages/breaking_news/2007/06/28/coming_fall_cheney.asp and also:
http://www.larouchepac.com/pages/breaking_news/2007/06/29/more_congressmen_impeach.asp question is if Cheney can be jailed or must be
impeached first.

Good luck to all and regards

Louis
 

Louis L. (0)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 8:15 am
Hello friends,
Just another very interesting view. Vic Gold, a long time republican close friend of Busch Snr. Declare his view on Cheney being a guy ‘out of control’ and described Cheney as “a “mega-maniacal paranoid” whose secret empire within the government had captured the Bush presidency and helped bring the Republican Party to the brink of ruin”. But I think not only the Republican Party but the USA, Iraq and perhaps the world as a whole.
Read on MSNBC/Newsweek: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19507575/site/newsweek/ for the whole story.
Looks like we all are pretty right for long time.
Regards
Louis
 

Laura Hovland (129)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 9:25 am
john micheal, please come back, and this time, control your emotions, please! We need your research capabilities.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 9:26 am
THIS IS NEWS?

THIS HAPPENED YEARS AGO YOU FUCKING TARDS.
 

Jakki S. (173)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 11:31 am
"TROLL/HARASSER/STALKER PETITION"

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/392688631
 

Lovebug Honey (35)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 11:53 am
9/11: Total Proof That Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings!

VDare
Friday June 28, 2007

Bombs, explosions, secondary explosions, explosive devices....how many more times do we need to hear these words being said by 9/11 witnesses before we start asking questions about what really happened on that awful day?

Video Here http://infowars.net/articles/june2007/290607Proof.htm

Now let's see some people despute these facts, these are actual clips from the morning of 9/11 where tv reporters all report hearing bombs going off.
 

Judy Cross (83)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 11:54 am
Robin Hordon a former Boston air trafic controller said at the Vancouver 911 Truth conference that Flight 77 disappeared from radar contact over Ohio. Then much later, a blip showed up on DC radar just before the Pentagon was hit. t
The blackbox that was found at the Pent.could have been planted .

John-Michael was obviously set up. Trolls rule areound here.
 

David Cromie (6)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 12:15 pm
Hello Judy, of course, the black box was a plant, it is just that Bushco did not think anyone outside the military, Boeing the plane's designers, etc. would be able to crack the code. They were arrogant, and stupid, enough to release the code, thinking they would get away with it. Had they thought otherwise, access would have been denied under Homeland Security, or some such pretense, and an embargo for the next 50 years, or more, placed on its release.
Thanks to Lovebug for the link!
 

Dusty F. (1339)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 12:44 pm
So.........how do you all explain the 3rd plane, which no one has mentioned thus far??? No one has mentioned the 3rd plane....the lives that were lost trying to SAVE others. Is that another "plant"? Gee....guess those that were at the pentagon (my mom included) need glasses or something. Please do more research .......not everything is as it seems.
 

Lovebug Honey (35)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 1:03 pm
The two planes that hit the WTC
Or missiles dressed to look like airplanes?
Or I just downloaded a movie and saw that a planes never did hit the buildings it was all trick photography
I think Elsie E mentioned above how the colors switch in the videoes from 9/11
First the plane is black, then it is light? what color were they?

third Plane (shanksville or Pentagon)?
Norman Mineta admits Cheney knew flight path of flight 93 and did nothing

We will go with shanksville
Rumsfield said twice Flight 93 was shot down Once
Twice

I beleive Cheney said it one
We also have "911 Loose change" has data record of Flight 93 landing in Ohio and the passengers were escorted out of the plane and into a NASA building off to the side.
This is probably where all the cel phone calls came from as well

The plane that hit the Pentagon, Never hit the pentagon, it flew over it and shot a missile into it, that is why there was no wrecking.
As we see from the above article that I posted about the flight box in flight 77, it clearly states that the plane went over a gas station and not, close to the five knocked down poles, that no one cared to notice when the works were placing, in fact they could have been placed that early morning, and no one paying attention saw them laying there.
There is a video on Google, about the Pentagon flight and it's last clip, Is of two Pentagon Police officers, that were at the gas station when the plane flew overhead. Very credible witnesses.

So there are the four accounted planes and what happen to them

www.911weknow.com
 

Lovebug Honey (35)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 1:20 pm
The two planes that hit the WTC Watch This
What is Helicopter 4 doing?
What are the four bright flashes?
Why does the building collapse as soon as he clears the plume of smoke?
It is either a FEMA Helicopter or a NYPD Helicopter
There are no more rooftop rescues allowed after 1993 CIA bombing of the WTC
Guiliani admits explosions on morning of 9/11
Some news clips from the morning of 9/11

Or I just downloaded a movie and saw that a planes never did hit the buildings it was all trick photography
I think Elsie E mentioned above how the colors switch in the videoes from 9/11
First the plane is black, then it is light? what color were they?

third Plane (shanksville or Pentagon)?
Norman Mineta admits Cheney knew flight path of flight 93 and did nothing
Norman Mineta admits a lie in the 9/11 commission report
We will go with shanksville


Rumsfield said twice Flight 93 was shot down Once
Twice
I beleive Cheney said it once

We also have "911 Loose change" has data record of Flight 93 landing in Ohio and the passengers were escorted out of the plane and into a NASA building off to the side.
This is probably where all the cel phone calls came from as well

The plane that hit the Pentagon, Never hit the pentagon, it flew over it and (Rumsfeld)shot a missile into it, that is why there was no wrecking.
As we see from the above article that I posted about the flight box in flight 77, it clearly states that the plane went over a gas station and not, close to the five knocked down poles, that no one cared to notice when the works were placing, in fact they could have been placed that early morning, and no one paying attention saw them laying there.
There is a video on Google, about the Pentagon flight and it's last clip, Is of two Pentagon Police officers, that were at the gas station when the plane flew overhead. Very credible witnesses.

So there are the four accounted planes and what happen to them

www.911weknow.com
 

Lovebug Honey (35)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 1:27 pm
Let's not argue about typos and symantics, the proof is all there
 

Kevin Carty (10)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 1:40 pm
If there is more then one person involed in anything a secret cant not be kept, it makes for good for a good conspiracy fiction novel, but if was even the slight bit true the SECRET would have blown wide open, but it would make a good (WAG THE DOG) movie, About as interesting as michael moores SHITO movie.
 

Lovebug Honey (35)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 1:54 pm
9/11's Trainer in Terrorism Was an FBI Informant

Peter Dale Scott
9/11 Blogger
Thursday, December 21, 2006

If I had an hour, I would talk to you about how the 9/11 Report failed to reconcile Dick Cheney's conflicting accounts, which cannot all be true, of what he did on the morning of 9/11 in the bunker beneath the White House. But that story takes two whole chapters of my forthcoming book, The Road to 9/11. So instead I will expand on what I spoke about a month ago in Berkeley, concerning Ali Mohamed, Washington's double agent inside al-Qaeda, and also a chief 9/11 plotter.(1) I want to add important new material tonight. Ali Mohamed, an Egyptian, was a close ally of Osama bin Laden. As he later confessed in court, he also aided the terrorist Ayman al-Zawahiri, a co-founder of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, and by then an aide to bin Laden, when he visited America to raise money.(2) It is now generally admitted that Ali Mohamed worked for the FBI, the CIA, and U.S. Special Forces.

Patrick Fitzgerald, who testified to the 9/11 Commission about Ali Mohamed, knew him well. In 1994 he had named him as an unindicted co-conspirator in the New York landmarks case, yet allowed him to remain free. This was because, as Fitzgerald knew, Ali Mohamed was an FBI informant, from at least 1993 and maybe 1989.(3) Thus, from 1994 "until his arrest in 1998 [by which time the 9/11 plot was well under way], Mohamed shuttled between California, Afghanistan, Kenya, Somalia and at least a dozen other countries."(4)

What I first wrote in 2004, and again in 9/11 and American Empire, has to my knowledge has not yet been in the US press: it is that in 1993 Ali Mohamed had been detained by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in Canada, (when he inquired at an airport after an incoming al Qaeda terrorist who turned out to be carrying two forged Saudi passports). Mohamed immediately told the RCMP to make a phone call to the FBI in the United States, and the call secured his release.(5) This release enabled Ali to go on to Kenya, take pictures of the U.S.. Embassy, and deliver them to bin Laden for the Embassy bombing plot.

In August 2006 there was a National Geographic Special on Ali Mohamed. We can take this as the new official fallback position on Ali Mohamed, because John Cloonan, the FBI agent who worked with Fitzgerald on Mohamed, helped narrate it. I didn't see the show, but here's what TV critics said about its contents:

Ali Mohamed manipulated the FBI, CIA and U.S. Army on behalf of Osama bin Laden. Mohamed trained terrorists how to hijack airliners, bomb buildings and assassinate rivals. [D]uring much of this time Mohamed was ... , an operative for the CIA and FBI, and a member of the U.S. Army.(6) ... Mohamed turned up in FBI surveillance photos as early as 1989, training radical Muslims who would go on to assassinate Jewish militant Meir Kahane and detonate a truck bomb at the World Trade Center. He not only avoided arrest, but managed to become an FBI informant while writing most of the al Qaeda terrorist manual and helping plan attacks on American troops in Somalia and U.S. embassies in Africa.(7)

That Mohamed trained al Qaeda in hijacking planes and wrote most of the al Qaeda terrorist manual is confirmed in a new book, The Looming Tower, by Lawrence Wright, who has seen US Government records.(8) Let me say this again: one of al-Qaeda's top trainers in terrorism and how to hijack airplanes was an operative for FBI, CIA, and the Army.

But what we have heard so far is a fall-back cover-up of even worse truths. Peter Lance, who first wrote the script for the National Geographic special, told about Mohamed's detention and release in Toronto. This important detail, along with others, was cut from the program. Lance withdrew from the project and complained on his website about these and other cuts, such as this one:

"Within days of 9/11 Cloonan ... interviewed Ali, whom the Feds had allowed to slip into witness protection, and demanded to know the details of the plot. At that point Ali wrote it all out - including details of how he'd counseled would-be hijackers on how to smuggle box cutters on board aircraft and where to sit, to effect the airline seizures."(9)

So let us sum up what we know so far about Ali Mohamed:

A key planner of the 9/11 plot, and trainer in hijacking, was simultaneously an informant for the FBI.


This operative trained the members for all of the chief Islamist attacks inside the United States -- the first WTC bombing, the New York landmarks plot, and finally 9/11, as well as the attacks against Americans in Somalia and Kenya.


And yet for four years Mohamed was allowed to move in and out of the country as an unindicted conspirator. Then, unlike his trainees, he was allowed to plea-bargain. To this day he may still not have been sentenced for any crime, and may even be in witness protection.(10)
Peter Lance has charged that Fitzgerald had evidence before 1998 to implicate Mohamed in the Kenya Embassy bombing, yet did nothing and let the bombing happen.(11) In fact, the FBI was aware back in 1990 that Mohamed had engaged in terrorist training on Long Island; yet it acted to protect Mohamed from arrest, even after one of his trainees had moved beyond training to an actual assassination.(12)

Mohamed's trainees were all members of the Al-Kifah Center in Brooklyn, which served as the main American recruiting center for the Makhtab-al-Khidimat, the "Services Center" network that after the Afghan war became known as al Qaeda.(13) The Al-Kifah Center was headed in 1990 by the blind Egyptian Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, who like Ali Mohamed had been admitted to the United States, despite being on a State Department Watch List. (14) As he had done earlier in Egypt, the sheikh "issued a fatwa in America that permitted his followers to rob banks and kill Jews."(15)

In November 1990, three of Mohamed's trainees conspired together to kill Meir Kahane, the racist founder of the Jewish Defense League. The actual killer, El Sayyid Nosair, was caught by accident almost immediately; and by luck the police soon found his two co-conspirators, Mahmoud Abouhalima and Mohammed Salameh, waiting at Nosair's house. They found much more: There were formulas for bomb making, 1,440 rounds of ammunition, and manuals [supplied by Ali Mohamed] from the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center at Fort Bragg marked "Top Secret for Training," along with classified documents belonging to the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff. The police found maps and drawings of New York City landmarks like the Statue of Liberty, Times Square -- and the World Trade Center. The forty-seven boxes of evidence they collected also included the collected sermons of blind Sheikh Omar, in which he exhorted his followers to "destroy the edifices of capitalism."(16)

All three had been trained by Ali Mohamed back in the late 1980s at a rifle range, where the FBI had photographed them, before terminating this surveillance in the fall of 1989.(17)

The U.S. Government was thus in an excellent position to arrest, indict, and convict all of the terrorists involved, including Mohamed.

Yet only hours after the killing, Joseph Borelli, Chief of NYPD detectives, struck a familiar American note and pronounced Nosair a "lone deranged gunman.."(18) Some time later, he actually told the press that "There was nothing [at Nosair's house] that would stir your imagination ... ..Nothing has transpired that changes our opinion that he acted alone."[19]

Borelli was not acting alone in this matter. His position was also that of the FBI, who said they too believed "that Mr. Nosair had acted alone in shooting Rabbi Kahane." "The bottom line is that we can't connect anyone else to the Kahane shooting," an F.B.I. agent said."(20)

In thus limiting the case, the police and FBI were in effect protecting Nosair's two Arab co-conspirators in the murder of a U.S. citizen. Both of them were ultimately convicted in connection with the first WTC bombing, along with another Mohamed trainee, Nidal Ayyad. The 9/11 Report, summarizing the convictions of Salameh, Ayyad, Abouhalima, and the blind Sheikh for the WTC bombing and New York landmarks plots, calls it "this superb investigative and prosecutorial effort" (i.e. by Cloonan and Fitzgerald).(21) It says nothing about the suppressed evidence found in Nosair's house, including "maps and drawings of New York City landmarks," which if pursued should have prevented both plots from developing.

Almost certainly, the 9/11 Commission knew more about this scandalous situation than they let on. It cannot be just a coincidence that they selected to write the staff reports about al Qaeda and the 9/11 plot, and conduct the relevant interviews, Dietrich Snell, who had been Fitzgerald's colleague in the Southern District of New York U.S. Attorney's office. (Thus Snell presumably drafted the praise for the superb effort by his former colleague Patrick Fitzgerald and the FBI). Of the nine people on Snell's team, all but one had worked for the U.S. Government, and all but two for either the Justice Department or the FBI.(22)

If you go to my website, www.peterdalescott.net, you will know that: Shortly after 9/11, in October 2001, U.S. and British newspapers briefly alleged that the paymaster for the 9/11 attacks was a possible agent of the Pakistani intelligence service ISI, Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh. There was even a brief period in which it was alleged that the money had been paid at the direction of the then ISI Chief, Lieutenant-General Mahmoud Ahmad.(23)

Others have since argued that Saeed Sheikh worked for both America and Britain, since "both American and British governments have studiously avoided taking any action against Sheikh despite the fact that he is a known terrorist who has targeted U.S. and UK citizens."(24) The claim what Saeed Sheikh was recruited by MI-6 in Great Britain has been made by myself, by John Newman, and by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed; recently it has been pointed to in the new book by Pervez Musharraf, the President of Pakistan.(25)

And there may have been other double agents. Last month Robert Baer, a former CIA officer, told an Australian newspaper that ''In 1996, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed [the al-Qaeda mastermind of the 9/11 plot] was in Doha [the capital of Qatar], the CIA found out about it, and wanted to arrest him and people in Washington stopped them. That has never been answered in the 9/11 commission report, why that arrest was stopped."(26)

One week after 9/11, in a story for Pacific News Service, I wrote the following (which is still on my website):

It is important to learn from the serious mistakes made by the United States and CIA in the past. The usual CIA mode of undermining foreign governments it does not like -- from Russia to Cuba to Iran -- has been to organize and train their opponents in criminal activities, including sabotage and smuggling. But time and again this strategy backfires. The problem is that as soon as the United States loses interest in its agents' cause, the sabotage techniques it has taught will more than likely be turned back against it.(27)

This is what happened with al Qaeda.

When I wrote this I did not yet know about the scandal of Ali Mohamed's tolerated terrorism. In 2004, when I did know, I reported a story in the London Independent (but not this country) that Mohamed was on the U.S. payroll at the time he was training the Arab Afghans, and that the CIA, reviewing the case five years after the first WTC bombing, concluded in an internal document that the CIA itself was "partly culpable" in the World Trade Center attack.(28)

I cannot tell you whether (as I would like to think) Mohamed and Saeed were examples of rogue agents out of control (in which case we have a CIA problem), or whether they were agents not out of control (in which case we have of course a much worse CIA problem). One way or the other, we have a fundamental and on-going problem, for which we need a more serious remedy than just putting a Democrat in the White House. As has happened after past intelligence fiascoes, our intelligence agencies were strengthened as a result of the 9/11 Commission, not brought under control, and their budgets were increased.

It's time to confront the reality that these agencies themselves, and their own sponsorship and protection of terrorist activities, have aggravated the greatest threats to our national security. Scott Ritter and others have written that, at this very moment, CIA-backed bombings are being undertaken in Iran by the Mujahideen e-Khalq (MEK or MKO), an opposition group listed by the United States State Department as a Foreign Terrorist Organization.(29) It appears that, as if having learned nothing, the CIA is still sponsoring terrorists.

I want to admit, in all fairness, that certain notable victories have been achieved in the narrow pursuit of al Qaeda. At the same time, after five years of the new broadened war on terrorism, we can say with confidence that the net result to date is a far more dangerous world than we had before.

Peter Dale Scott's latest book (co-edited with David Ray Griffin) is 9/11 & American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out (Olive Branch Press, 2006). His website is http://www.peterdalescott.net.

Notes

[1] I discuss Ali Mohamed in a book I co-edited with David Ray Griffin: David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott (eds.), 9/11 & American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out (Northampton, MA: Olive Branch Press, 2006), 74, 76-77.
[2] This admitted connection to al-Zawahiri has led some to identify Mohamed (Abu Mohamed al Amriki) with the al-Amriki alleged by Yossef Bodansky to have acted as go-between between Zawahiri and the CIA: "In the first half of November 1997 Ayman al-Zawahiri met a man called Abu-Umar al-Amriki (al-Amriki means "the American") at a camp near Peshawar, on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. High-level Islamist leaders insist that in this meeting Abu-Umar al-Amriki made al-Zawahiri an offer: The United States would not interfere with or intervene to prevent the Islamists' rise to power in Egypt if the Islamist mujahideen currently in Bosnia-Herzegovina would refrain from attacking the U.S. forces there. Moreover, Abu-Umar al-Amriki promised a donation of $50 million (from unidentified sources) to Islamist charities in Egypt and elsewhere. This was not the first meeting between Abu-Umar al-Amriki and Zawahiri. Back in the 1980s Abu-Umar al-Amriki openly acted as an emissary for the CIA with various Arab Islamist militant and terrorist movements ... then operating under the wings of the Afghan jihad ... . In the late 1980s, in one of his meetings with Zawahiri, Abu-Umar al-Amriki suggested that Zawahiri would need "$50 million to rule Egypt." At the time, Zawahiri interpreted this assertion as a hint that Washington would tolerate his rise to power if he could raise this money. The mention of the magic figure, $50 million, by Abu-Umar al-Amriki in the November 1997 meeting was interpreted by Zawahiri and the entire Islamist leadership, including Osama bin Laden, as a reaffirmation of the discussions with the CIA in the late 1980s about Washington's willingness to tolerate an Islamic Egypt. In 1997 the Islamist leaders were convinced that Abu-Umar al-Amriki was speaking for the CIA -- that is, the uppermost echelons of the Clinton administration" (Bodansky, Bin Laden, 212-13). As we shall see, it is the case that Mohamed was allowed to travel to Afghanistan even after his designation as an unindicted co-conspirator in 1994 (San Francisco Chronicle, 10/21/01).
[3] Peter Lance, "Triple Cross: National Geographic Channel's Whitewash of the Ali Mohamed Story," Huffington Post, 8/29/06, http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20060829/ cm_huffpost/028270. Unfortunately Lance's book on Mohamed, Triple Cross, was not yet available as this book went to press. Cf. Lawrence White, The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11 (New York: Knopf, 2006), 181-82; Daniel Benjamin and Steven Simon, The Age of Sacred Terror (New York: Random House, 2002), 236; Lawrence Wright, New Yorker, 9/16/02: "In 1989 -- Mohamed talked to an F.B.I. agent in California and provided American intelligence with its first inside look at Al Qaeda."
[4] Raleigh News & Observer, 10/21/01, http://www.knoxstudio. com/shns/story.cfm?pk=ALIMOHAMED-10-24-01&cat=AN.
[5] Toronto Globe and Mail, 11/22/01, http://www.mail-archive. com/hydro@topica.com/msg00224.html; Peter Dale Scott, "How to Fight Terrorism," California Monthly, September 2004, http://www.alumni.berkeley.edu/Alumni/Cal_Monthly/September_2004/How_to_.... Mohamed's companion, Essam Marzouk, is now serving 15 years of hard labor in Egypt, after having been arrested in Azerbaijan. Mohamed's detention and release was months after the first WTC bombing in February 1993, and after the FBI had already rounded up two of the plotters whom they knew had been trained by Ali Mohamed.
[6] Dave Shiflett, Bloomberg News, 8/28/06, http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=aNWwkZYujCIs&refer=h....
[7] Glenn Garvin, Miami Herald, http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/entertainment/columnists/glenn_garv...
[8] Lawrence Wright, The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11 (New York: Knopf, 2006), 181. The Report claims (56) that "Bin Ladin and his comrades had their own sources of support and training, and they received little or no assistance from the United States." But Wright reports that Mohamed, while on a leave from the U.S. army, went to Afghanistan and trained "the first al-Qaeda volunteers in techniques of unconventional warfare, including kidnappings, assassinations, and hijacking planes." This was in 1988, one year before Mohamed left active U.S. Army service and joined the Reserve.
[9] Peter Lance, "Triple Cross: National Geographic Channel's Whitewash of the Ali Mohamed Story," Huffington Post, 8/29/06, http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20060829/cm _huffpost/028270.
[10] According to publicity for the National Geographic special, Mohamed is "currently in U.S. custody," but "his whereabouts and legal status are closely guarded secrets" (Rocky Mountain News, 8/28/06, 2D). Lance wrote that Mohamed was put into the witness protection program. "David Runke [Ruhnke], a defense attorney in the African embassies bombing case, says, ``I think the most likely thing that will happen is he'll be released, he'll be given a new name and a new identity, and he will pick up a life someplace.''' (Shiflett, Bloomberg News, 8/28/06). As of November 2001, Mohamed had not been sentenced and was still believed to be supplying information from his prison cell.
[11] "Ali Mohamed had stayed in [El-Hage's] Kenyan home in the mid 90's as they plotted the bombings. Another agent in Fitzie's squad Dan Coleman, had searched El-Hage's home a year before the bombings and found direct links to Ali Mohamed and yet Fitzgerald failed to connect the dots" (Lance, "Triple Cross," Huffington Post, 8/29/06).
[12] Peter Lance, 1000 Years for Revenge (New York: Regan Books/ Harper Collins, 2003), 29-37.
[13] Robert Dreyfuss, Devil's Game: How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam (New York: Metropolitan Books/Henry Holt, 2005), 278; John K. Cooley, Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, America, and International Terrorism (London: Pluto Press, 1999), 87-88; Lance, 1000 Years for Revenge, 29-31; Independent, 11/1/98.
[14] Rahman was issued two visas, one of them "by a CIA officer working undercover in the consular section of the American embassy in Sudan" (Peter L.. Bergen, Holy War, Inc.: Inside the Secret World of Osama bin Laden [New York: Free Press, 2001], 67). FBI consultant Paul Williams writes that Ali Mohamed "settled in America on a visa program controlled by the CIA" (Paul L. Williams, Al Qaeda: Brotherhood of Terror [[Upper Saddle River, NJ]: Alpha/ Pearson Education, 2002], 117). Others allegedly admitted, despite being on the State Department watch list, were Mohamed Atta and possibly Ayman al-Zawahiri (Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed, The War on Truth: 9/11, Disinformation, and the Anatomy of Terrorism [Northampton, MA: Olive Branch Press, 2005], 205, 46).
[15] Wright, The Looming Tower, 177.
[16] Lance, 1000 Years, 34.
[17] Lance, 1000 Years, 31; Peter Lance, Cover Up: What the Government Is Still Hiding about the War on Terror (New York: Regan Books/ HarperCollins, 2004), 25.
[18] Newsday, 11/8/90; quoted in Lance, 1000 Years, 35.
[19] New York Times, 11/8/90; Robert I. Friedman, Village Voice, 3/30/93.
[20] New York Times, 12/16/90.
[21] 9/11 Report, 72.
[22] Kean and Hamilton, Without Precedent, 273 (chapters); Lance, Cover Up, 212-20 (reports). Snell was assisted by Douglas MacEachin, the former CIA deputy Director for Intelligence.
[23] Peter Dale Scott "Who Paid the 9/11 Hijackers? Al-Hawsawi? Mahmoud Ahmad?" GlobalResearch.ca, 10/14/04, http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/SCO410A.html. Cf. David Ray Griffin, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions (Northampton, MA: Olive Branch Press/Interlink, 2004), 104-07; Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed, The War on Truth: 9/11, Disinformation, and the Anatomy of Terrorism (Northampton, MA: Olive Branch Press, 2005), 137-44; Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed, The London Bombings: An Independent Inquiry (London: Duckworth, 2006), 169; Peter Dale Scott, "The CIA's Secret Powers: Afghanistan, 9/11, and America's Most Dangerous Enemy." Critical Asian Studies, 35:2 (2003), 233-258.
[24] Ahmed, The War on Truth, 142; cf. John Newman, Remarks, Omissions and Errors in the Commission's Final Report, Rep. McKinney 9/11 Congressional Briefing, 18 August 2005, http://911readingroom.org/bib/whole_document.php?article_id=422.
[25] Pervez Musharraf, In the Line of Fire: A Memoir (New York: Free Press, 2006), 225: "It is believed in some quarters that while Omar Sheikh was at the LSE he was recruited by the British intelligence agency MI6. It is said that MI6 persuaded him to take an active part in demonstrations against Serbian aggression in Bosnia and even sent him to Kosovo to join the jihad. At some point he probably became a rogue or double agent."
[26] Courier Mail (Australia), 9/23/06; cf. Robert Baer, Sleeping with the Devil (New York: Crown, 2003), 18-19.
[27] Peter Dale Scott, "Made in the U.S.A. - How the U.S. Manufactures Terrorists," Pacific News Service, Sep 19, 2001.
[28] Peter Dale Scott, "How to Fight Terrorism." California Monthly, September 2004; citing Andrew Marshall, Independent, 11/1/98, http://billstclair.com/911timeline/1990s/independent110198.html.
[29] Scott Ritter, "The US war with Iran has already begun," ZNet, 6/21/05, http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?itemid=8126.: "President Bush has taken advantage of the sweeping powers granted to him in the aftermath of 11 September 2001, to wage a global war against terror and to initiate several covert offensive operations inside Iran. The most visible of these is the CIA-backed actions recently undertaken by the Mujahadeen el-Khalq, or MEK, an Iranian opposition group, once run by Saddam Hussein's dreaded intelligence services, but now working exclusively for the CIA's Directorate of Operations. It is bitter irony that the CIA is using a group still labelled as a terrorist organisation, a group trained in the art of explosive assassination by the same intelligence units of the former regime of Saddam Hussein, who are slaughtering American soldiers in Iraq today, to carry out remote bombings in Iran of the sort that the Bush administration condemns on a daily basis inside Iraq." I have not yet seen Scott Ritter, Target Iran: The Truth About the White House's Plans for Regime Change (New York: Avalon Publishing Group, 2006)..


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2006/211206Informant.htm
 

Marci Marcel S. (326)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 3:09 pm
Gee Bush and Cheney, who gave them that info?
 

Jakki S. (173)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 4:24 pm
ok,then it's no tjust me?Wheww...I thought i was seeing spooks are every corner today!!LOL!
 

Rebecca Forste (475)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 4:51 pm
There is no member available by the id 636727877.???
 

Yvonne White (232)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 4:51 pm
Bu$h doesn't know or care which end is up - Cheney's PNAC crowd will do what needs doing for themselves - the MainstreamMedia changed it's stories within hours that day & nobody was allowed to tell anything but the Government Propaganda thereafter. We all had plenty of questions - none where adequately answered.. CONservatives don't care, it worked for them!
 

Maureen S. (122)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 4:58 pm
Greetings all . . .

There are a couple of things here that are really making me scratch my head; perhaps it's my computer, though I don't think so. I cannot read ALL of the posts that are here!!! It's like part of them are cut off by the "pink" area; moreover, what happened to the person who posted this news story? Has he been deleted? If so, this is quite bothersome. I shall return to this thread because there are so many fascinating posts.

In the interim . . . I would sure like to know what's going on here??? Anyone know? I received something from BMT as regards David and wonder if that is what it is??? Someone message me please and let me know what's going on? I find this incredibly disturbing!!!
 

David Cromie (6)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 5:01 pm
Gosh!! This news item really has flushed out some rats from their holes. That alone would put the seal of validity on the article!!

By the way Kevin, in response to: 'If there is more then one person involed in anything a secret cant not be kept, it makes for good for a good conspiracy fiction novel, but if was even the slight bit true the SECRET would have blown wide open, but it would make a good (WAG THE DOG) movie, About as interesting as michael moores SHITO movie'

In case you had not noticed it THE SECRET IS OUT. and the lies have been blown wide open. That is what this article is all about, you idiot! Even the official Commission enquiring into the 9/11 events, had to admit that they were lied to, or is that some Republican plot too? I am not into conspiracy theories, any more than the BBC News 24 was in its original , live, coverage. At the time the enormity of the atrocities of 9/11 were such that no one, apart, perhaps, from seasoned conspiracy theorists, would have dared to believe that this could have been an inside job - some still can't. Think of it, who would believe that their government would have sacrificed innocent lives, just to manufacture an excuse for an invasion of a other country that was not the least threat to their own country? What a mad idea? Yes, mad is the right term here. I deal in facts, and the balance of probability arising from those facts, where direct evidence is not available. In the case ot 9/11, we now have enough facts, and plenty of evidence, to conclude that this WAS an evil, cynical, inside job. ALL of the facts are not clear, regarding 9/11, and Bushco have a lot to answer for, but this in no way invalidates the direct evidence and testimony of those there on on the ground on the day. As for the plane which came down in a field, there is some doubt about the phone calls, on the part of some people. We do not have the black box from that flight, so speculation is just that; speculation. Were there parts of the fuselage, seats, or engines, for example, recovered from the wreackage? Were any bodies found? I have not ever seen any reports of these things. Who recovered the remains of that aircraft, and where are they stored? Was there a specific enquity into the fate of that particular flight? Perhaps this was the only REAL flight, set up as a red herring!! Does anyone have any answers? I woulkd love to have more information on this crash.
 

David Cromie (6)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 5:07 pm
The right-hand side ot the comments column has been cropped off, making it difficult to read the replies to
this item (I have used the 'return' key to keep the text in view, this time). How does one get the missing
text back? Solutions, anyone, please!!?????
 

David Cromie (6)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 5:08 pm
Still cropped the message, I see!!
 

Eyes O. (411)
Saturday June 30, 2007, 7:20 pm
Thanks for mentioning that David. I've noticed this many "many" times. I have difficulty reading the comments. Irritating....to say the least!!!
 

Al Amjad Tawfiq Isstaif (75)
Sunday July 1, 2007, 2:45 am
See this video, it is very important

http://www.care2.com/news/member/726835551/412429
 

Ola H. (26)
Sunday July 1, 2007, 3:01 am
To read the comments:

Highlight them and copy them to the submissionsbox at the bottom,
or into a word document.

David, as I see it, the 9/11 truth movement should abstain from speculation (as you obviously do). Of course, it would be interesting to know, for example, what happened to United 93, but we´ll probably never know, and in any case, I think that public debate and wild speculation about issues where hard facts are unavailable just give the proponents of the official story a chance to turn our own arguments on ourselves and say "what this guy claims is incorrect, and I can prove it" and thereby dismiss the whole argument for government involvement in the eyes of those who wish so hard for that scenario not to be true that they do not WANT to see the facts if they point in that direction.

The 9/11 truth movement should point out all the inaccuracies and contradictions in the official story, and draw attention to all those pieces of information that the US government is trying to bury, that´ll be sufficient to reach the goal of exposing the whole thing, wild speculation will probably just help those who try to cover it up (a general rule of disinformation is that it should be 80% accurate...)

...
 

David Cromie (6)
Sunday July 1, 2007, 5:31 am
Ola, thank you for the tips!! Care2 should do something about this glitch - I wonder why it only happens on some stories, and not others.

What you say on the subject of disinformation, is absolutely correct. I have not seen the Commission of Enquirey's full Report, and am thus a bit in the dark on the details, apart from what has been highlighted by several critics of the official story, and an interview with the Chairman of the Commission. It should be bourne in mind that, in attempting to unravel a story as complicated as this, especially in the early days of the investigation, there will be minor inaccuracies due to the web of lies which only a plotter with priveledged access to the media can implant in the minds of the ignorant/credulous. These peripheral inaccuracies, where such exist, do not, however, detract from the main thesis, derived from the overall picture of indesputable facts, pointing unerringly to an attempted cover-up of an inside job in the case of 9/11. Thus, I am yet to be convinced otherwise, having reluctantly, at first, considered the possibility of this incredible outcome.

It should be noted that John Michael and Lovebug have been VERY helpful in their research, and we owe them a big debt for their detective work on behalf of those of us who wish to get at the truth of 9/11.
 

Andrea H. (6)
Sunday July 1, 2007, 7:51 am
The whole 9/11 situation is a set up. Our govt. thinks that we are so stupid, that we will believe what the media and our govt. tells us without questioning. I have watched a lot of under ground videos about how our leaders made plans for a long time to blow up the World Trade Center because of a number of reasons.
1) The World Trade Center was an asbestos disaster. The only way to fix this multi- million dollar problem, DEMOLITION IT! Even though everyone would see and hear the evidence, THEY DON"T CARE!
2) This whole 9/11 catastrophy was to impliment strict laws to INSLAVE us. Like the NEW 2008 ID, for anyone working inside the U.S. This is to move us toward an EYE SCANNING, MICRO CHIPPED SOCIETY!
3) These videos show demolition plumes, indicative of exlposives used to collapes the towers and all of the other World Trade Center buildings that had nothing to do with the plane crashed. Like Building 7, this building was nowhere close to the Trade Center,this builiding housed all the planning for the attacks on the trade center and that is why it had to go. It somehow collapsed nicely onto itself just like the Trade Centers
4) The Trade Centers both fell at the speed of gravity...this says that there is no way for a building of 110 stories to fall faster than a free falling object. It would first have to collapse the floors under itself before it could fall freely. THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE!
5)Even the fire fighters said in recordings that there were "isolated pockets of fire" on the floor that the plane crashed into,the fire fighters were heard saying that they could get the fires under control with just 2 fire hoses. The World Trade Towers were the first STEEL structure in history to collapse because of fire.

This isn't my opinion this is science. My own family doesn't believe that our country would do this. BUT IT"S TRUE!
Look, there is plenty of info. out there about how we are moving very fast toward the ultimate inslavement of our people. Watch or order videos from PRISON PLANET. God bless ALEX JONES!
 

Maureen S. (122)
Sunday July 1, 2007, 10:36 am
FOR ALL HERE STILL COMMENTING ON THIS THREAD . . . BE ADVISED THAT IT'S NOT SHOWING ALL THAT WE ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THIS!!! AAArrrggghhhhhh!!!

Accordingly, we would all be more informed of each other's comments if we just read what is on the mssage relative to the comment! And then we need find out what the heck is going on and why this thread in particular is being blocked??? Not what I paid for!!! Don't imagine it is for anyone else either!

TRUTH IS OUT . . . and has been for some time. Now, the question is (once again), what can we DO about it?
 

David Cromie (6)
Sunday July 1, 2007, 6:25 pm
Hello Maureen, I have been having the same problem, as have others, with the clipping of comments. I hope you will have read Ola's solution above, which works, even if still annoying. This is a problem which Care2 should be doing something about!!
 

Elle J. (282)
Saturday July 14, 2007, 3:15 am
Read and noted! I honestly do not know what to believe anymore. However, I do have a lot of questions that havent been answered.
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Friday July 20, 2007, 11:47 am
Noted
 
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