Friday June 29, 2007, 6:15 pm
Duly Noted JM: It is nice to see this summary made available. Psychological war fare is only effective when we lack of sense of ourself. They ask you to give this up (( The sense of self ) as your entitlement so to do your thinking for you. In other words , why think when others are willing to do it for you ? is the quesiton we should always be asking ourselves. To give up our own sense of 'reason' is how we lower our expections which opens the door for others to exploit us at will.

Friday June 29, 2007, 6:35 pm
Politicians today are rated below used car salesmen when Truth is involved.. Nobody believes them. But the Media repeats their propaganda verbatum & questions nothing they do or say.. No wonder people of integrity stay away in droves..:(

Friday June 29, 2007, 6:41 pm
Politicans focus on Consumers where Statesmen reach out to tax payers -

Friday June 29, 2007, 6:42 pm
Great Article! Noted! Third parties need to be allowed in the major debates. Are there any petitions on this???

Friday June 29, 2007, 7:44 pm
There should be all kinds of petitions started for third party debates....Thanks/noted/ and will pass along to others...

Friday June 29, 2007, 7:52 pm

Excellent . . . and prophetic.

Friday June 29, 2007, 8:22 pm
If I told you I thought the world was controlled by a handful of capitalists and corporate bosses, you would say I was a left-winger," an anarchist 'black blocker' told me at a recent demonstration against the Afghanistan War. "But if I told you who I thought the capitalists and corporate bosses were, you'd say I was far right.

The perspective -- a broad blend of left-wing socialism and far-right nationalist and libertarian views has been slowly infiltrating both extremes of the political spectrum, particularly in the anti-globalist movement, and has been leading to a new synthesis of doctrine "beyond left and right" that is coalescing around a number of tendencies, national anarchism, social nationalism, national bolshevism; that some are calling the fastest growing ideological movement on the fringe.

Though significantly divergent in their beliefs, these ideologies are at the core of what is being called the "Third Position," a collection of radical anti-capitalist, anti-globalist and anti-imperialist views that are outspoken in their rejection of the corporate state, of social democracy, of Marxism, and of Zionism.

But just as these ideologies are gaining more adherents, they are also becoming the target of more disinformation, as the extreme Old Leftists of the anti-globalist movement call conferences to attack these ideas, and as the self-righteous defenders of neo-liberalism try to force these doctrines- square peg into their round hole of "hate" and "fascism. Decadence is fighting back, but as the proponents of these ideas steadily resist being labeled as far right by the defenders of the neo-liberal corporate-socialist status quo, the globalist power structure has found itself in a boxing match with a body of water.

Friday June 29, 2007, 8:43 pm
Libertarianism is a political philosophy maintaining that all persons are the absolute owners of their own lives, and should be free to do whatever they wish with their persons or property, provided they allow others the same liberty. Broadly speaking, there are two types of libertarians: consequentialists and rights theorists.[1] Rights theorists hold that it is morally imperative that all human interaction, including government interaction with private individuals, should be voluntary and consensual. They maintain that the initiation of force by any person or government, against another person or their property — with "force" meaning the use of physical force, the threat of it, or the commission of fraud against someone — who has not initiated physical force, threat, or fraud, is a violation of that principle. This form of libertarianism is associated with Objectivists, as well as with individualist anarchists who believe opposition to the State (i.e, government in general) is consistent with this principle.

Consequentialist libertarians do not have a moral prohibition against "initiation of force," but believe that allowing a very large scope of political and economic liberty results in the maximum well-being or efficiency for a society - even if protecting this liberty involves some initiation of force by government. However, such governmental actions are limited in the free society consequentialists envision. This type of libertarianism is associated with Milton Friedman, Ludwig von Mises, and Friedrich Hayek. Some writers who have been called libertarians have also been referred to as classical liberals, by others or themselves. Also, some use the phrase "the freedom philosophy" to refer to libertarianism, classical liberalism, or both.

Libertarians generally do not oppose force used in response to initiatory aggressions such as violence, fraud or trespassing. Libertarians favor an ethic of self-responsibility and strongly oppose conscription and the welfare state, because they believe coercing someone to provide charity and military service is ethically wrong, ultimately counter-productive, or both. Apart from some very basic principles favoring personal freedom and free markets, there is not a canon of "official" libertarian beliefs. Libertarians may disagree with other libertarians over specific issues.

Friday June 29, 2007, 10:23 pm
NOTED!

Saturday June 30, 2007, 12:26 am
Noted! However, on one point I particularly disagree: Hate Laws. Hateful words and criminal actions based soley upon a person's race, creed, ethnicity,sexual orientation are some of the most heinous, because they blindly lash out at a group of people just for what they were born as! Men, women and children have been indiscriminately tortured, raped and killed for no other reason than they were Jewish, or gay, etc. That has to be the ultimate evil! We have also a very high rate of teenage suicide in our country--much due to bullying and hateful labels suffered at or after school! Many other young people turn to drugs, promiscuity or even unthinkable violence, when they can stand the "freedom of speech" no longer! When words become weapons,I believe the perpetrator has crossed the line of freedom just as much as if he chooses to attack a vulnerable person for "Hate Crime" reasons.

Saturday June 30, 2007, 4:22 am
Many people that didn't even know what the word Libertarian meant, ask me to explain..And exacally what they stood for...They didn't even know, or realize that there was a 3rd option to choose from and how they felt.....

Saturday June 30, 2007, 6:08 am
Thank you everyone.....

Saturday June 30, 2007, 6:36 am
I personally would like to thank each and everyone of you for noting this wonderful article and getting it to the front page, where it belongs. Thanks guys for all that you do and please feel free to ask Orion Daley on here anything that is on you mind. He is in the Presidental bid for 2008. And a very deserving one .Orion has some great issues pertaining to help "healing " of our our still great Nation. Please refer your concerns and questions to Orion Daley, and he will be glad to answer each and every one of them. Also reach him at unity2008.org. Big hugs to everyone and thank you for your note and your time. Love you guys...please pass on to others who might be interested......

Saturday June 30, 2007, 7:06 am
I BELONG TOO THE 3 PARTY!

Saturday June 30, 2007, 7:28 am
Wonderful , And you should. as everyone else stand firm in what they believe in. We all don't agree on all issues, but that is what choice and options are all about.

Saturday June 30, 2007, 7:35 am
Noted! Thanks for the info.

Saturday June 30, 2007, 7:43 am
Lawd Allmarshy this is a thought evocative article which is fantastic to say the least, yet being from Tennesse is reason enough why it is not uncommon for me to end up with more questions than answers. Certainly not trying to be a bubble buster but merely for elucidation I might ask, with one earth, one planet, and one race the human race and it all rotating in the onesame orbit how can one be anti-socialism and anti-capitalism at the same time.

With nearly 7 billion people on the face of the planet and 300 of the richest families in the world controlling approx. all wealth and all resources of this little earthly sphere - is that justifiable. Seems to me that to be justifiable creation would have to be for all instead of just an elite few or those few with billions or trillions while 90% of the rest of creation relatively speaking are homeless living under a bridge with 25 million children around the globe starving to death monthly from deprivation.

It seems with capitalism being based on greed and can never get enough that socialism would have to play a role someway i.e., giving as well as receiving to make creation itself justifiable, if there is such a thing as justice. Something like the Chinese yin-yang of 3000 years ago. Or the communal Native Americans such as when a buffalo was killed the whole tribe eat instead of just the elite leaving the disadvantaged and least fortunate to starve. Maybe a little like our socialistic highways on which we commute back and forth as we come and go over many a divide or hugh chasm permited only by a supportative uplifting little bridge that joins...something like love that does for the least of them.

There is one other thing that comes to mind and that is nuclear power and nuclear bombs. If there is not some kind of a singular race or humanitarian roll back set on this evil destroyer mankind with not have to worry about the isms for the U.S. alone in defence and protection of our nationalist state have enough nuclear bombs to vaporize our singular little planet several times over. That is as we all rotate in the onesame direction whether we like it or not without that singular bridge that joins and supports all living life of this beautiful creation....and where whill that leave the little bridge that joins......love.

If mankind does not destroy itself first...he must become educated enough to see that we all are of a singular existence, that is so unique in our differences, and must give as well as receive making the giver and receiver the one and the same....whereas to see he that loveth not knoweth not for love is.....

Saturday June 30, 2007, 7:53 am
Thank you so much Robert for your insight and your own thought....It is true. Love for all of Mother Earth, and all it's people is what it is going to take.....Then and only then can we as a people begin to heal....Thank you.

Saturday June 30, 2007, 9:20 am
I concur with Robert too -- and while capitalism no doubt encourages innovation and invention it also encourages greed (greed Is the center of capitalism) so I would say, yes, we need a big injection of socialism to counter the inherent greed of capitalism.

And it is true that as long as we play Their game, They will be the only winners.

Thanks for the interesting post Karen.

Saturday June 30, 2007, 10:03 am
I was reading some poems (my latest hobby i reckon) and this one reminded me of the discussions on this article. Here it is:

'September 1, 1939'

I sit in one of the dives
On Fifty-second street
Uncertain and afraid
As the clever hopes expire
Of a low dishonest decade:
Waves of anger and fear
Circulate over the bright
and darkened lands of the earth,
Obsessing our private lives;
The unmentionable odour of death
Offends the September night.

Accurate scholarship can
unearth the whole offence
From Luther until now
That has driven a culture mad,
Find what occurred at Linz,
What huge imago made
A psychopathic god:
I and the public know
What all schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return.

Exiled Thucydides knew
All that a speech can say
About Democracy,
And what dictators do,
The elderly rubbish they talk
To an apathetic grave;
Analysed all in his book,
The enlightenment driven away,
The habit-forming pain,
Mismanagement and grief:
We must suffer them all again.

Into this neutral air
Where blind skyscrapers use
Their full height to proclaim
The strength of Collective Man,
Each language pours its vain
Competitive excuse:
But who can live for long
In an euphoric dream;
Out of the mirror they stare,
Imperialism?s face
And the international wrong.

Faces along the bar
Cling to their average day:
The lights must never go out,
The music must always play,
All the conventions conspire
To make this fort assume
The furniture of home;
Lest we should see where we are,
Lost in a haunted wood,
Children afraid of the night
who have never been happy or good.

The windiest militant trash
Important Persons shout
Is not so crude as our wish:
What mad Nijinsky wrote
About Diaghilev
Is true of the normal heart;
For the error bred in the bone
Of each woman and each man
Craves what it cannot have,
Not universal love
But to be loved alone.

From the conservative dark
Into the ethical life
The dense commuters come,
Repeating their morning vow,
"I will be true to the wife.
I'll concentrate more on my work,"
And helpless governors wake
To resume their compulsory game:
Who can release them now,
Who can reach the deaf,
Who can speak for the dumb?

All I have is a voice
To undo the folded lie,
The romantic lie in the brain
Of the sensual man-in-the-street
And the lie of Authority
Whose buildings grope the sky:
There is no such thing as the State
And no one exists alone;
Hunger allows no choice
To the citizen or the police;
We must love one another or die.

Defenceless under the night
Our world in stupor lies;
Yet, dotted everywhere,
Ironic points of light
Flash out wherever the Just
Exchange their messages;
May I, composed like them
Of Eros and of dust,
Beleaguered by the same
Negation and despair,
Show an affirming flame.

-- W. H. Auden

Saturday June 30, 2007, 10:15 am
WHERE'S THEIR PROFILE? ANOTHER?????????????

Saturday June 30, 2007, 11:58 am
noted

Saturday June 30, 2007, 12:59 pm
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Saturday June 30, 2007, 1:08 pm
Libertarianism is nothing new. This THIRD party has been around a long time and has yet to build up enough strength to be a real CONTENDER against the existing two parties. Are we once again going to battle windmills like every other election-THIS DIVIDES THE VOTE AND ENSURES THAT THE REPUGS WIN- they count on this happening and LAUGH and it every time. WHY DO THIS? I don't understand why it is so impossible for the LEFT to see the whole picture which is the Libertarian party has had YEARS to become a REAL PARTY that provides a TRUE ALTERNATIVE TO THE EXISTING TWO PARTIES. Yes , you have the right to vote for a libertarian and waste you vote just as many have done in past elections, but mark my word, if we lose this next election because voters decided TO MAKE A STATEMENT that BTW WAS SOON FORGOTTEN AFTER THE ELECTION BECAUSE BUSH WON AND WAS IN POWER and this could happen again NOT BUSH BUT A BUSH LITE-then what will you have truly gained? WHAT? You will have show Republicans AND DEMOCRATS WHAT? NOTHING because Republicans will still be in control - the CORPS you hate will still be in CONTROL just as they are now because so many fell for this THIRD PARTY REHETORIC before-It's Republican Paliver....and you are falling for it again....and we will lose again so you can make a statement that no one will hear or care about but you. And we will lose our nation to the Republicons becasue TIME IS RUNNING OUT!!!!! Seeing the bigger picture is a damn CURSE sometimes....Sadly NOTED.

Saturday June 30, 2007, 1:30 pm
Dave i hate to say it but socialism kills inovation and invention and leads to outright death. Good examples are north korea and the old ussr. With as much land as the old ussr had it should have been the bread basket of the entire world yet they were left starving and forced to import almost all of there grains from the west. North korea on the other hand is allowing there own people to die from starvation rather than admit there government has failed. Socialism ultimately fails because governments are forced to go to war to capture needed resources that they themselfs cannot produce. It doesnt matter what type of system that you have socialist, communist, fascist, democratic whatever you will allways have elitists in all of them, that mandate they keep the masses down to continue there lifestyles and control. With our form of government at least we are able to least live a halfway comfortable lifestyle without fear. Sorry those are just the facts of life.

Saturday June 30, 2007, 2:18 pm
Suffice to say.. this only substantiates what I have written extensively about here of late. Maybe it is time we start thinking for ourselves - reading and making informed decisions based on viewing all sides - and not following like sheep to the slaughter.

Saturday June 30, 2007, 2:20 pm
BTW Who first posted and noted this? Were they captured and led away?

Saturday June 30, 2007, 3:49 pm
Politics is dead! Politicians are businessmen! Even if they have high ideals, as soon as they hit the bigtime ideals go out the window and greed sets in. Revolution is needed and a new start........

Saturday June 30, 2007, 3:53 pm
If I am hearing right socialism kills, but what about impearialism seeking to subjugate the world. To spread us -es none socialistic views a 1,000,000 Iraqis (mostly innocents) have died not counting the vast number of our own agonal casualities. And from all indications we are seeking to nuke Iran and maybe Venezula which could lead to III W.W with us -es 737 military bases around the world and 2 million troops with a PNAC GOP republican conservative neocon military budget that is incalcuable.

During the 1980s under Reaganism (which certainly was no socialist party) the CIA used profits from its cocaine smuggling activities to finance the Contras and Somaso, an exiled Dictator, to finance the murders of tens of thausands of civilians, and an attempt to disrupt the country's economy, in order to destabilize the legitimate Sandinista government. For this, the U.S. was condemned in the World Court for "unlawful use of force," and it rejected a U.N. security council resolution calling upon it to observe international law. And I might note that George Bush Sr was vice president at the time no socialist.

Then in 1971 under Nixon and Ford administrations (certainly not socialists)- a military coup d'etat was orgainized in Chile which overthrew the legitimately elected government of Salvador Allende and brought power to the regime of Genral Auguso Pinochet. This regime abducted, tortured and killed thousands of Chilean citizens in an attenpt to suppress opposition.

And what about Operation Condor - agreements signed between the CIA and anti-Castro groups, and fascist movement such as the Triple A set up in Argentina by Jose Lopez Rega and Rodolfo Almiron. The post-junta truth comission found that the Argentine military had disappeared at least 10,000 Argentines in the so called 'dirty war' against subversion and terrorists. Human rights groups in Argentina put the number at closer to 30,000. We must note again that George Bush, Sr. was head of the CIA at the time it began and vice president at the time of its ended....and certainly no socialist not unlike the PNAC GOP republican necons

Saturday June 30, 2007, 4:13 pm
Operation CHAOS was the most vicious aggressive domestic surveillence operation conducted on Anerican antiwar groups and activists like Abbie Hoffman, whose objectives were to:
Gather information on their immorality
Show them as scurrilous an depraved
Call attention the their habits and living conditions.
Explore every possible embarrassment.
Investigate personal conflicts or animosities between them
Send articles to newspapers showing their depravity.
Use narcotics and free sex for entrapment.
Have members arrested on marijuana charges.
Explot the hostilities between various persons.
Use cartoons and photographs to ridicule them.
Use disinformation to confuse and disrupt.
Get records of their bank accounts
Obain specimens of handwriting.
Provoke target groups into rivalries that resulted in deaths.

In 2002 the CIA distorted Iraq data to the media in order to justify George W. Bush's invasion of Iraq in 2003. And again Dubya is no socialist.

Then more recent was former CIA employee, Luis Posada Carriles, who is believed to be the mastermind behind the 1976 Cubana de Aviacion bombing which killed 73 people, walked free from a U.S. court following a court ruling for his liberation.
These are only a handful of operations; there are literallly hundreds and many still classified as secret by the Bush regime - an anit-socialistic regime by the most selfish conservative sense of language.

Saturday June 30, 2007, 5:22 pm
We have alllowed our political system to fail the very people that is supposed to serve. President Bush has successfully lulled this nation into such apathy and division. I am glad that are resources such this that we can share our thoughts, our ideas openly. That there is network of people who care.

Saturday June 30, 2007, 8:16 pm
Kevin Newsom Who is this person? I find news that try's to make sense ends up making no sense at all. In order to understand what is being said one must know something about the writer. I say to much pontering and the truth slip"s in to many pieces :)

Saturday June 30, 2007, 9:30 pm
I am shocked that you can't trust politicians.

Sunday July 1, 2007, 12:26 am
War is The ultimate Drain of Resources and human Life To Feed the War machine We have to Accelerate Development and production and ignore the enviornmental and Social consequences. The USA Could Be a Commpassionate Democracy With Social programs And Sound Biz If We wer'nt Dumping Billions into Colonialism and outright Corruption And if everybody paid the cost of thier actions including GOV and Big biz Then We wouldn't need The outrageous Budgets to Cleanup Some one elses Messes.But in general the whole political Machine is about Shifting Blame So people Can continue to Profit At the Expense of others misery!

Sunday July 1, 2007, 7:55 am
So what else is new?

Sunday July 1, 2007, 11:08 am
Noted....Great Article...Thanks for sharing

Sunday July 1, 2007, 11:10 am
Maybe the one-size-fits-all theory of politics is ready for the junk heap. Maybe huge centralized systems are proving themselves unworkable because they always concentrate power in the hands of the few, the Elite.

Maybe it's time to get rid of the centralized power structure and give (Ha! -- Take) power back to smaller, regional areas that already have good reasons to stick together.

This concentration of power only serves the rulers, the large corporations, the entrenched powers first, then tosses some crumbs to the masses. Let's think smaller for a change. Big is not better. Not necessarily. I could use a smaller headache right now, for example : /

"Politics is the art of preventing people from taking part in affairs which properly concern them -- Paul Valery (1871 - 1945)"

Sunday July 1, 2007, 1:00 pm
True, they do not let us into what they do. It is almost that they don't really care about us. Politicians, they were once good people who tried to make life better for people, but they got caught up in the greed and corruption of power. They are tired and do not care for little else besides them. I do not know if you all agree or not, but that is how it looks to me...

Sunday July 1, 2007, 11:57 pm
I have finally had time to read the article in full. It certainly is food for thought and something we should all consider, but as pointed out it would also be good to know where the writer "comes from". That said though, the writer does indeed encourgage the readers to do their own research and to make up their own conclusions. Some excellent sources were listed, and there are a lot more out there. This topic is too important to just have it put on the backurner. We all have a moral obligation as rational thinking beings to consider these issues and act accordingly to our own research and conclusions we made from that.

Monday July 2, 2007, 8:23 am
Now we come to the crux of the real battle. Diversionary tactics. Getting the people to concentrate on a small blaze in front of their eyes-, while you burn the forest behind them. Reactions instead of actions. Especially when something attacks the source of our pride - our assumption that rights do not include responsibility.But I believe that you ultimately reap what you have sown- the "spirit" with which you have lived your life and once the fire starts- who can ever put it out. It will consume you too. Where do you go from the earth? And really-why can't we all just get along? Willingness. And no-one can force you to change your mind- or can they?
Please read this article. Answers are there. And then you decide. For yourself.

Wednesday July 4, 2007, 2:30 pm
Can you imagine in this reign of FUBAR some people are just waking up to what these thieves are really doing to our country.

Wednesday July 4, 2007, 4:15 pm
I wonder if most of the people here even understand what the article is about or even read it. I always start people on the road to understanding the politics and government by getting them to make a commitment to watch what many call the greatest documentary ever made. Go to Google Videos and watch all 4 parts of the BBC documentary "The Century of the Self". See how governments are manipulating the masses using the theories of Freud. You then understand why the Left - Right is a deception and how we are being decieved.

Enjoy (or be profoundly disturbed by) the documentary and then come back and post your comments.

Wednesday July 14, 2010, 10:19 am
We are ruled by an Oligarchy - A political system governed by a few 'people'.
These 'people' are Corporations, Churches and Politicians.
Divide & conquer is their simple plan.
As long as Americans can be divided, they will remain controlled.
Control is the central idea.
Our American Constitution was created to defend social and political diversity. In other words; to believe, act and live in a variety of ways; Free from being forced to conform to state/church-sponsored social customs and religious beliefs.
'American patriots' are those whom defend our right to diversity.
'American extremists' are those whom demand strict conformation with their social customs and religious beliefs.

'American extremists' have spent decades convincing the public they are the 'patriots' and anyone who disagrees is an 'extremist'. That is an often repeated lie.

It is time for ALL true American 'patriots' to stand together an defend our diversity and our Constitution. Progressive Democrats, Tea Partiers, Democrats, Libertarians, Green Partiers and Independents must unite or collectively lose their Constitutional Rights to the American Oligarchy.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Corporations, Churches and Poiticians are not individual citizens (people) and should not be ruling America.

I say 'ruling' because they are making those who disagree with their policies pay a terrible price; jails, institutions and death.
Those who drink alcohol have no moral superiority to those who smoke marijuana, but which group occupies our prisons in record numbers?
Single people pay higher taxes than those married in the churches.

All American people are going to have to unite against the non-people that would take away our freedom.
Diversity is our key.
I am defending ALL Freedoms here.
Freedom to own or not own a gun.
Freedom to get or not get an abortion.
Freedom to smoke or not smoke maijuana.
Freedom to choose you own lifestyle.
Your freedom, all of you.

But forcing your beliefs on others is an 'extemist' view, I cannot defend that. Forcing your own personal choices on others is criminal, unpatriotic and un-Americn!

Americans, unite now under the cause of individal freedoms or lose forever your Constitutional Rights to do so! Your neighbors deserve their freedom also. The world will not get any worse if you quit bashing each other for a lttle while.

“The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of [private cartel] lending institutions and moneyed incorporation's." - Thomas Jefferson

Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."
~ Thomas Jefferson

"The Constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper."
~ George W. Bush 2005 Capitol Hill Blue

" The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone: it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. " - Patrick Henry

" I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do as he pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so far as it in no way interferes with any other men's rights. " - Abraham Lincoln After he enacted the first tax on income in the United States.