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Problem: Violence; Solution: Minority Report?

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"...a solution is promoted: "science" enabling the authorities to predict who will commit violent crime. This leads to "treatment" that will keep violence from happening. In other words, if you watch movies, Clockwork Orange and Minority Report"

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Kenneth L (314)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 7:45 am
Jon Rappoport has been nominated for a Pulitzer Prize and an investigative journalist for 30 years.


Ellen m (215)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 8:01 am
They'd do better just checking on every NRA member :-/

Yvonne F (181)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 8:17 am
Interesting!!!!! Thanks Kenneth for sharing

cynthia l (207)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 8:27 am
so hmmm society wants to drug potential violent persons Oh yes Zombieland waiting to happen with drugged out brain damaged freaks. Somebody has to come up with and Educational answer before we get to this issue.

Gloria picchetti (304)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 8:40 am
Remember soma? The drug that was distributed in Brave New World by Aldous Huxley.

Thursday July 18, 2013, 9:06 am
I have to wonder how much violence can really be attributed to chemical exposures. I think a lot!

There's a great book by Carlton Fredericks entitled Psycho-Nutrition...and one of the examples is a young man who lived with his mother and every time they were in the kitchen together he became violent toward her....lalala...came to find out that when exposed to natural gas....there was a gas stove in the kitchen....he got violent.
It CAN happen!
I get cranky around certain chemicals (like in clothing stores) or from certain drugs (ie had to take valium for pinched nerves in my back many times and get very very grouchy and impatient from it) .....and I get aches and pains when in buildings with gas, oil or propane heating.
I almost died of a very low-level slow natural gas leak over a long period of time and it whacked my immune system, so it's more pronounced for me, but I bet a lot of people have similar reactions and just haven't connected the dots.

The psychiatric community would do their patients a great service if they learned about this.
Of course, the drug companies would hate it!

Birgit W (160)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 9:07 am
Thanks Kenneth.

. (0)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 9:20 am
Noted - thank to Kennet and Gloria for the fw

Nicole W (646)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 9:35 am
thank you Kenneth

Christeen A (368)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 10:02 am
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing.

Theodore Shayne (56)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 10:16 am
Interesting article but hardly original and poorly written in some places.

Alice C (1797)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 10:19 am
Thank you Kenneth.

Carmen S (611)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 10:19 am
thanks Kenneth, very interesting

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 10:28 am
Interesting Truly. Thank You, Kenneth ~~

Monica T (278)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 10:46 am
Thank you Kenneth, for sharing this very interesting article...

Frances Darcy (133)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 11:17 am
I am finding it difficult to grasp the substance ( if that is the right word) of this article ...I will have to read it a few times ... mmmmm ..

Cathleen K (73)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 12:56 pm
George Zimmerman executed Trayvon Martin after judging him guilty of 'pre crime', just like in the movie. Where individuals are concerned, past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior, which is why sane states don't issue concealed/carry licenses to people with a history of arrest for violence and a restraining order for stalking, like Zimmerman.

Cathleen K (73)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 1:50 pm
I opened the link after I posted the above, and am now scratching my head. The author's position is hard to pin down. He's anti Big Pharma (nothing controversial there - they have abused our trust lately), but he also seems to be anti scientific research, a position that is as stupid as creationism. Does he think that understanding how injuries or abnormal developments in certain parts of the brain effect behavior is a bad thing? If so, he should look up Charles Whitman, the UT clocktower shooter, and see what a brain tumor can do. If he thinks that a country where the police can't collect a cheek swab for DNA testing on a suspect without having probable cause and the permission of a judge is going to put all of us through an MRI, he just might be a paranoid schitzophrenic, well controlled by antipsychotic meds.

For those of you who are convinced that those antipsychotic meds are useless or harmful, please, spend a few weeks working on the locked ward of a psychiatric facility interacting with people who literally see monsters in every corner and sometimes mistake people for them, with the predictable results that they attack those people.

One more thing. Anyone who thinks Adam Lanza, James Holmes and Jared Loughner were not extremely mentally ill and should have been stopped BEFORE they acted is mentally ill themselves. None of them had criminal records, which made them all 'law abiding gun owners' until they committed their massacres, but all of them were sick enough that they could be correctly diagnosed as crazy by laymen, like the Wal Mart clerk who refused to sell Loughner ammo.

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 2:17 pm
Food for thought.

Bianca D (87)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 2:58 pm
If we haven't gotten to the bottom of the dynamics of violence, how can any proposed solution truly remedy the situation? If all you do is medicate them, what happens when they skip their meds or bust out of the institution? Noncompliance is one of the biggest challenges for outpatients on medication. We need to have a much better understanding so we can address the underlying cuases and where possible prevent violence before a person harms him or herself, or others.

Carlene V (202)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 4:23 pm
Big Pharma won't like this one bit. They don't care what these drugs do to people as long as they continue to profit. Some people can't cope or live in a real world without meds and I think medicating them for their own safety and ours is not a bad thing.

Kenneth L (314)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 5:55 pm
@Cathleen, you're mixing some things together here. A brain tumor is not a mental disorder. However 'paranoid schizophrenic' is a psychiatric 'mental disorder'.. I put it in quotation marks because there are NO proven causes of, or tests that can be given anyone by Psychiatry for, any of their 'mental disorders', The term itself is one created by the field of Psychiatry alone.
Rappoport is saying that there is no proven scientific diagnosis regarding 'abnormal brain development' as you put it, which would make it a certainty that someone who is diagnosed by a psychiatrist as likely to become violent WILL. So it's a 'pre-crime' gambit, which evidently the movie 'Minority Report' (from the 1956 book) was about.
Regarding your statement that Lanza, Holmes, and Loughner . "all of them were sick enough that they could be correctly diagnosed as crazy by laymen" is so loose as a supposed fact that it has no value. Ever hear of people who can't believe how somebody who seemed so 'nice and friendly and perfectly normal and rational' has just been convicted of murder or rape or violence, singular or multiple?


Kenneth L (314)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 6:14 pm
Here's what a few people have professionally stated:

"At the moment, in terms of (the problems that (SSRI) pills can cause, this issue about pills causing people to become violent is one of the greatest hidden problems and it's off the radar. People don't get to see the data, it's not being discussed, when in fact it's absolutely, it's for certain, that even the companies making the drugs have concluded that their drugs caused the problem" Dr. David Healy, Psychiatrist, Neuroscientist, Psychopharmacologist

.“There are no objective tests in Psychiatry---no X-ray, laboratory, or exam finding that says definitively that someone does or does not have a mental disorder.” Dr. Allen Frances, Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry, 46 years in Psychiatry, past Chairman of the Task Force for DSM4

"We don't know the etiology (causes) of really ANY of the mental disorders at this time" Dr. Darrell Regier, Psychiatrist, Chairman of the Task Force for the current DSM5

"The reason that psychiatry cannot be a medical science is that despite thirty years of effort and untold billions in research, not a single biological, chemical, radiological or laboratory test has emerged that can be used to confirm (or refute) the many diagnoses that are so confidently and widely applied by psychiatrists (and other doctors and mental health professionals) to anyone having emotional problems. Nor is there any scientific method to measure the impact and effectiveness of the many chemicals psychiatry puts into people's brains' Dr. Philip Sinaikin, Psychiatrist for 25 years

."There's no biological test for diagnosing ANY mental disorder" Dr. Colin A. Ross, Psychiatrist for 30 years

"There is very convincing evidence of violence induced by psychiatric drugs in a scientific review of all reports of violence and homicidal ideation made to the FDA over a 69 month period. Less extreme behaviors, such as "Aggression, Belligerence and Hostility," were excluded. Among 454 prescription drugs, 31 drugs had a disproportional rate of reported violence or homicidal threats for a total of 1527 reports. Two-thirds of drugs had no reports of violence. The drugs that most clearly cause violence included varenicline (Chantix, a smoking cessation aid), 11 antidepressant drugs, 3 drugs for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, and 5 hypnotic/sedatives (sleep aids and tranquilizers). Thus, all but one of the top offenders were psychiatric drugs. Antidepressants as a group were 8.4 times more likely than other prescription drugs to be associated with violence. This study should end the controversy. Psychiatric drugs do cause violence. As the researchers concluded:"
Dr. Peter Breggin, Psychiatrist for 39 years, psychiatric expert witness, subspecialty in Psychopharmacology


Tamara Hayes (185)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 7:20 pm
A very interesting read. Thanks Kenneth.

Cathleen K (73)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 8:00 pm
Ken, please reread my post and rethink what you're saying, because it's arrant nonsense. Do you know anything about schitzophrenics? Have you ever worked with any? I can answer that question quite confidently as a big fat NO, because unmedicated schitzophrenics are ridiculously easy to spot, even without any training. Holmes was being treated for schitzophrenia when he bought his arsenal and booby trapped his apartment. Loughner was told he could not return to school after displaying obvious signs of schitophrenia and making threatening statements. His family tried to keep his guns away from him but could do nothing to help him because they're working class and AZ won't pay to treat someone his age. Lanza had the misfortune to be the child of a gun nut who bought him weapons and taught him to be comfortable and proficient with them. NONE of these young men should have had access to guns, but we live in a country that cares far more about the rights of weapons and ammo manufacturers to never miss a sale than it does about preventing crime. Pre crime, my ass.

Roxie H (350)
Thursday July 18, 2013, 10:07 pm
O my, its a blog. And thanks Kennth. I enjoy blogs very much. i find them peaceful because they don't get a bunch of trolls on them, thanks for sharing another interesting blog with us :) ( i was saying the Omy part to the other people) ..thanks friend for sharing the blog... and to the ones making an issue... just don't go back..pretty for me, i am going to

Mariann R (158)
Friday July 19, 2013, 12:10 am
Thanks, Kenneth, a very interesting story! Please feel free to send anything you like.

Jonathan Harper (0)
Friday July 19, 2013, 2:02 am

Kenneth L (314)
Friday July 19, 2013, 3:48 am
@Cathleen, a family member of mine was diagnosed as 'schizophrenic' 28 years ago and has been on a daily psychotropic drug mix every day since. So yes I know something about 'schizophrenics' from many years of experience with him. You're arrogant as heck, and an apparent know-it-all from your remarks. Yes, there IS a similarity with what is called 'pre-crime' screening and drugging. YOU need to go back and read Rappoport's blog again.
You also need to re-read the statements I quoted by various long time PSYCHIATRISTS regarding psychiatric drugs CAUSING violence, and what they have said about the field of Psychiatry, 'mental disorders', and psychotropic drugs. Let me guess, YOU are not even a psychiatrist. Since you are into comparing yourself to others, let's compare these others to yourself. So to borrow your attitude---you're an 'authority' on guns, school shooters, anti-psychotic drugs, and schizophrenics. 'Authority' my ass.


Kenneth L (314)
Friday July 19, 2013, 4:19 am
Some more quotes left out of above post----

"The weakness of the DSM5 (which is the current book of all psychiatric 'mental disorders' including Schizophrenia) is its lack of validity. Unlike our definitions of ischemic heart disease, lymphoma, or AIDS, the DSM diagnoses are based on a consensus about clusters of clinical symptoms, not any objective laboratory measure." Dr. Thomas R. Insel, M.D. Director of the National Institute for Mental Health

"There are no specific lab tests that are made to diagnose psychiatric disorders. Its really sort of diagnosis by committee...haggling and arguing over how should we describe how this disorder is going to be and what it should look like" Dr. Mary Braud, Psychiatrist

“Our diagnoses are subjective and expandable, and we have few rational reasons for choosing one treatment over another" Dr. Daniel Carlat, Psychiatrist

"“The very vocabulary of Psychiatry is now defined at all levels by the pharmaceutical industry,”
Dr Irwin Savodnik, Psychiatrst

"The (psychiatric) medications that are being given to people are, without exception, introducing chemicals that are altering the brain in ways that can be very damaging" Dr. Grace Jackson, Psychiatrist

(the DSM, Psychiatry's manual of all 400 mental disorders, including Schizophrenia) is---"a fictional manual of mental disorders" Dr. Keith Ablow, Psychiatrist

"No biological etiology (cause) has been proven for any psychiatric disorder in spite of decades of research. .Don't accept the myth that we can make an 'accurate diagnosis.' Dr.Edward Drummond, Psychiatrist

"...DSM labels are not only useless as medical 'diagnoses' but also have the potential to do great harm" Dr.Sydney Walker III, Psychiatrist

""There is no definition of a mental disorder. It's bullshit. I mean, you just can't define it." Dr. Allen Frances, 46 years in Psychiatry

"Psychiatry has no rational basis in science... (it) does not have a formal model of 'mental disorder' that would allow us to say that Psychiatry is a fails" Dr. Niall McLaren, Psychiatrist for 36 years


Carol H (229)
Friday July 19, 2013, 5:27 am
interesting!! thank you Kenneth, noted

mar l ene d (264)
Friday July 19, 2013, 6:19 pm
noted Kenneth thx!!!!!

Phillipa W (199)
Friday July 19, 2013, 6:43 pm
this is kind of how a lot of our social services over here are being run. It's an absolute nightmare. Previously something which would have been cause for concern would have led to a conversation or a bit of an investigation to determine whether or not the concern was valid. Now they act on all potential concerns arising from a sign of concern and treat it as though they were legit concerns.

Athletes have the same scientific profile as thieves.

Cathleen K (73)
Friday July 19, 2013, 6:58 pm
Ken: When Rappoport wrote "With new clinics springing up across the country, people vaguely suspected of having a propensity towards violence (lawful gun owners, for instance) will be ushered into the psychiatric arena", he lost all credibility with me, so I googled him. He's a conspiracy theorist, Alex Jones with an education and a smaller audience. Where are these new clinics? Where are these national laws that in any way shape or form impinge on the ability of the craziest among us to arm themselves to the teeth? Virginia had a law on the books that purported to prevent those diagnosed with serious mental illness from legally buying guns, but under pressure from the NRA, the legislature had not provided funding to set up the data base, so a guy who had been involuntarily committed 15 months before had no difficulty legally obtaining weapons. The result was the VA Tech massacre.

No, I'm not a psychiatrist, I'm an RN, but that doesn't mean that psychiatry being an imprecise science, subject to diagnostic fads, is news to me. Far from it. ADHD was overdiagnosed in the extreme, especially in the 80s and the 90s; let's face it - a lot of adolescents (especially boys) are just assholes - fortunately, many of them will outgrow it. The fad du jour is autism, with the side effect of the growth of a bizarre movement based on outright fraud that says that vaccines had nothing to do with the elimination of smallpox and polio. Of course medications (of all types) make it out of clinical trials and then have side effects that turn out to be unacceptable - that has always been and always will be the case; that doesn't change the fact that lot's of drugs save or improve lives.

Do I trust the pharmaceutical companies? Hell, no. They've bought politicians to enable them to put the American public in the dreadful position we're in today - as the main funders of research and development for new drugs (we're virtually the only ones who pay retail, and don't get me started on laws that prevent the largest purchaser - Medicare - from negotiating over price). Ditto for direct advertising to the public - a practice that is illegal in most countries for good reason. They work with big ag to allow most of our meat and poultry to be raised on a diet of antibiotics with a side of GMO corn, while not bothering to develop the next generation of antibiotics to fight the superbugs, those that are here and those in the pipeline, because it's expensive and has a low payoff. The difference between you and me here is that I don't see a conspiracy. I see rational business decisions made in light of a 30+ year war on the regulatory agencies that used to force more responsible behavior from corporate actors. Big business wants to make the highest profits it can, while paying the least in wages and taxes it can get away with and socializing as many of the costs of doing business as possible. That's nothing new, though taking businesses public has exacerbated the value of short term profit over long term health. What IS new is that almost half of the 'little people' who are the losers in this model have been hypnotized into thinking it's hunky dory.

You could make an argument that all psychiatric medications, and the civil rights movement for those with mental illness, have been a disaster for society as a whole - that most people were better off when societies answer to any sign of mental illness was to lock the person up in one of our big state institutions. VA Tech, Tucson, Aurora and Newtown would never have happened under the old model. Your cousin would have spent their entire adult life in an institution. In some ways, it was undeniably better. As a New Yorker who's old enough to remember when the city did not have unmedicated psych patients roaming the streets, occasionally pushing someone in front of an oncoming subway, I can see the appeal. It was the advent of these very medications that allowed people to live outside of institutions. Pretending otherwise is just that - pretending.

This is an enormously complex subject, as is virtually everything with major public policy implications today, but the notion that a society which can't muster the political will to keep guns out of the hands of the demonstrably ill or force it's citizens to vaccinate their children (despite popular support for both) is going to force psychiatric care and medications on all of us is just ludicrous. Conspiracy theories have done a lot of damage to this country over the past few decades, and I'm sick to death of them. We're all familiar with the looniness from the right and laugh at it regularly. It's time to start laughing at the crap from the left, too. You're old enough to remember when cholera epidemics and crop failures used to kill millions of Indians on practically an annual basis. Modern western medicine, antibiotics, civil engineering and the green revolution have made those awful news stories a thing of the past, and the intentions were good. We now have 7 billion people on the planet, which is undeniably bad, but we got here because we cut infant and childhood morbidity and mortality through western innovation. Too many on the left like to forget that; I choose not to, and find it arrogant in the extreme to pretend that the past was different than it was.

Helen Porter (39)
Saturday July 20, 2013, 1:02 am
Yes, if we could learn to detect early the signs of the child who is probable to become violent, we could treat with the remedies of love and thus become a civilized people.

Kenneth L (314)
Saturday July 20, 2013, 6:22 am
@Cathleen, what a generality of a statement that 'Rappoport is a conspiracy theorist'. What a stinking generality!

So you're a know-it-all now about conspiracy theories too I see LOL. You need to contact all the various psychiatrists I have quoted and tell them they're conspiracy theorists too. Most of them have an email address somewhere on the net. Be a big girl, not just make it a 'me vs. you' thing on a thread.

As I suspected you're just a nurse, not a psychiatrist, so all anyone has to do is compare your opinion to what various psychiatrists that I have quoted have said. And I could fill this thread 10 times over with other professional statements by a whole slew of health professionals about Psychiatry and psychotropic drugs.

You're not contrite in the slightest for your bald-faced assumption that I have never had any experience with schizophrenics. But that's a know-it-all for you. Can't be wrong.

TThe occasional flak I personally get about this stuff is, I have observed, usually from those who are long-term users of psychiatric drugs, those who have been long-term labelled with one or more psychiatric labels, those who know all about it because they've 'worked with such people', or those who know all about it because they have worked IN the psychiatric field.

Well, surprise, surprise.


Ellen m (215)
Saturday July 20, 2013, 8:09 am

Cathleen K (73)
Saturday July 20, 2013, 10:39 pm
@Ken: Wow! I go to considerable trouble to lay out a lengthy and rational argument, substantiated with a lot of factual information, and in return I get "As I suspected, you're just a nurse, not a psychiatrist, so all anyone has to do is compare your opinion to what various psychiatrists that I have quoted have said." Yeah, because we all know nurses are just stupid and uneducated women, so who gives a rats ass what any of those worthless know-it-alls think, amirite? There's a couple of glaring holes in your argument, Ken. You're just a laymen, so your opinion is, by your own hierarchical definition, worthless next to mine, and I could find 1000 psychiatrists to disagree with each one of yours, and I'm lowballing that figure. You know how I know that, Ken? Because the vast majority of psychiatrists prescribe these drugs, or they wouldn't be so widely used and you wouldn't have your knickers in such a twist about them.

No mention of Rappoport's stroll down Gun Nut Lane, no mention of deinstitutionalization, no mention of the hundreds of thousands of people living on the streets of America completely out of their damned minds because they're not taking any medication. Oh, I forgot. I'm just a nurse, so any point I bring up can be dismissed because you've found a handful of psychiatrists who think otherwise.

That last paragraph is a doozy. Why don't you run it past a psychiatrist and see what he thinks it indicates about your mental health? Well surprise, surprise that people who've been helped by drugs, the mentally ill themselves, and people who've worked with psychiatric patients and seen the efficacy of some drugs up close disagree with you! How dare they! What do they know? You have a cousin who's a schitzophrenic and that's all that counts. Talk about arrogant know-it-alls.

P A (117)
Sunday July 21, 2013, 4:37 am
Very alarming article - thanks Kenneth.

Kenneth L (314)
Sunday July 21, 2013, 10:15 am
I knew you would unfortunately take that thing about 'you're just a nurse, not a psychiatrist' personally because you have a BIG EGO.
I quote psychiatrists, not RN's, because they are the standard certified practitioners of Psychiatry, not RN's. Period.

Yes for every quote I make, other (and certainly more) opposing quotes could be made. So? More people agreeing about something doesn't make something true-er than less people agreeing about it.

You have contrived a whole lot of assumptions about me and what I think.

You have stated your OPINIONS about Rappoport, antipsychotic drugs, guns, psychiatric-labelled people, so other than that, there's a few billion other individuals on this planet with a few billion other opinions. Get the idea? This isn't a thread about you or your 'being right'.

Create your own internet blog site like Rappoport, create your own C2NN stories like others do, if you actually want to set everyone straight about 'the facts'

"you have a cousin..." Cousin? WRONG. I didn't say cousin. Now you're manufacturing things. ..."and that's all that counts". WRONG AGAIN. That's not 'all that counts'.
So you don't get things correctly and you make assumptions continually.
Thanks for posting..

Cathleen K (73)
Sunday July 21, 2013, 3:43 pm
You made a bad argument because of my big ego? I didn't know I had that kind of power. Thanks for admitting that the consensus in medicine is that you're full of crap. You're right - just because something is a majority opinion doesn't make it true, though when the community in question is the scientific community, you're on thinner ice. Who knows? Maybe conservatives are right and the 97% of scientists who say that anthropogenic climate change is real are just in it for the grant money.

Rappoport brought up guns, not me. Your failure to acknowledge the true looniness of his assertion that the US government is going to force law abiding gun owners into psychiatric care is all on you, however. You're a Canadian, so a degree of ignorance about the US is completely understandable; what's mystifying is your unwillingness to examine any of the real life counterarguments to your preferred narrative raised by a well educated, well informed American. Gun owners in most US states have special rights unavailable to others - see Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman and Stand Your Ground. Do some research on the power of the gun industry in this country and I'm fairly sure you'll be embarrassed. Or wait a few years - the right wing tilt of your own government should soon make Canada an open air shooting gallery. The advent of powerful antipsychotics led to mass deinstitutionalization, Ken. That's not my 'opinion'; it's just one of those stubborn facts. Facts don't seem to interest you much.

I know this is not a thread about me or facts, it's a thread about your opinions and emotions. You sent me an invitation to read this blog post and presumably, to comment. I made the mistake of bringing up a whole lot of things that are directly related to the supposition that antipsychotic medications are an unadulterated evil. Instead of trying to address ANY of my concerns, you countered with a series of personal attacks. How very mature and erudite! Your final response is to tell me to 'get off your lawn'. Congratulations. You've run the gamut from grade school taunts to cranky old man.

I suspected you would jump all over my use of 'cousin' instead of 'family member' as the only specific you would address. You lived down to my expectations.


Lois Jordan (63)
Sunday July 21, 2013, 7:37 pm
Thanks for posting this informative piece, Kenneth. I agree there's way too many pharms abused....esp. by so-called doctors prescribing them haphazardly. Far too often the side effects and adverse reactions outweigh any good that might have been. Of course when you live in a society where everyone wants things to happen "instantly," this is what you get. Far too few are willing to take the time to do proper research.

Kenneth L (314)
Monday July 22, 2013, 7:03 am
LOL. Cathleen you are a know-it-all.
You're an 'authority' on whatever you speak, and you simply keep making yourself right---on and on and on.

That's a LIE regarding 'my cousin'. As a know-it-all you simply can't be wrong, so you lie to avoid it. You're an RN?

You are still not contrite about saying "Do you know anything about schitzophrenics?...i can answer that question quite confidently as a big fat NO", and actually compound it by then belittling my experience with a family member for 28 years. Again, as a know-it-all and 'authority' you can't be wrong.
"it's a thread about your (my) opinions and emotions". ABSOLUTELY FALSE. I could care less whether someone agrees or disagrees with my personal opinions. Which is why I quote various professionals most of the time more than my own opinions. I could care less what you think of me personally lol. Not relevant in the slightest to anything.

I just noticed this gem from you "let's face it - a lot of adolescents (especially boys) are just assholes" What kind of statement is that? Is that one of your 'facts'? Than's not sexist is it? You're an RN? Is 'assholes' a technical term or just you using a generality of a putdown of adolescents, especially boys?

Now you're an authority on guns in Canada? re " the right wing tilt of your own government should soon make Canada an open air shooting gallery" You make GENERALITIES all over the place! You put forward opinions as FACTS. Joke!

As I said, the number of people agreeing about something DOES NOT make it true, or more true, than less people agreeing about it. Science? Psychiatry has been called a pseudo-science by not a few psychiatrists and health professionals, including medical doctors. Btw, any psychiatrist speaking out professionally against Psychiatry in some way, is liable to being ostracized by peers, their reputation harmed, their practice harmed, being ridiculed, shunned, frowned on by the American Psychiatric Association, the status quo, and 'agreed upon concensus'. Screw that. Meaning there probably would be more speaking out if this wasn't the case.

As I said, be a big girl, have some fortitude, if you REALLY are serious about people getting 'the facts' create your own personal blogs and your own C2NN news stories. And then field the opinions you get about your articles and what your opinions are, as opposed to other's opinions. Put your money where your mouth is.



Kenneth L (314)
Monday July 22, 2013, 7:17 am
There is NEVER going to be any 'authority' who posts on any of my threads, or even whom I come across elsewhere on the net, who thinks their opinion is automatically more right or they know better than anyone else, about ANYTHING. That is called authoritarianism. It's control of others and counters the freedom of others to think whatever they want regarding anything, No one's going to FORCE AGREEMENT on anyone about anything.

Kenneth L (314)
Monday July 22, 2013, 7:40 am
@Cathleen, do you have much experience on threads? Because I am not here to 'address your concerns' as you put it. I am not here to do anything regarding you. It's not a 'me vs. you' opinion debate forum because anyone familiar with threads knows that just goes on forever, no matter the topic. Everyone else gets pushed aside. Unfortunately I got sucked into it with you here. This thread is so old it has dust on it, and virtually everyone else has come and gone days ago.

Kenneth L (314)
Monday July 22, 2013, 1:02 pm
No, it WAS a lie. You can't be that big of a dweeb who 'tests' people to see if they 'fail' or fall into little 'traps'.of yours? LOL! Grow up! My comment about you being 'just a nurse vs. psychiatrist wasn't a 'trap' or 'trick' or 'test' of mine. I just wondered after I posted it whether you WOULD take it the wrong way, like it was a jab against nurses or something. And you did. That's exactly what occurred.

And yes it is sexism regarding your generality of a put-down that 'most adolescents are assholes, especially boys'. Be a big girl and spread that little gem of wisdom of yours around on the net, and see what you get in response. Have some courage.

An RN who peppers her speech with phrases like 'assholes' 'head up your ass' 'full of crap' 'my ass'. and now the 'f' word...ROTFL! (oh by the way, your last post will be flagged by me for the f word'. Sorry, even noisy RN's aren't above C2 rules of conduct And I've even flagged my own post above this it contained the full 'f' word from your post).

You're one of the most ignorant, arrogant, self-important, know-it-all blowhards I've encountered in Care2 in the years I've been here.

As I said, be big and put your money where your mouth is, create your own internet blogs and your own C2NN stories. Don't just be a big mouth like you're in some one on one contest with me lol.

Myself, I will be redoubling my efforts to provide various articles and quotes by various psychiatrists, psychologists, medical doctors, neurologists, and other health professionals who have stated their professional opinions regarding Psychiatry, the value or efficacy of psychotropic drugs, their role in CAUSING a litany of behavioral problems, physical problems, emotional problems, whether or not Psychiatry is even a science---and anything else I choose to, regardless of who agrees or disagrees with it. It's not there for any one person (Nurse Cathleen attention), it's for anyone and everyone to view, read, and make up their own mind about.

Susan N (34)
Tuesday July 23, 2013, 7:30 pm
Noted, thanks -

Karen Martinez (17)
Friday October 11, 2013, 7:56 pm
Not at all surprising. Instead of having teenagers who take drugs for entertainment, as when I was growing up, we now have a society of children who are given drugs because their parents/teachers don't want to deal with them 'being kids' and causing educators to deviate from preparing for standardized testing. Aerosmith hit the nail on the head when they said, "Something's wrong with the world today...."
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