START A PETITION 27,000,000 members: the world's largest community for good
START A PETITION
x

Pakistan: Barely Alive Catholic Prisoner Asia Bibi Still Praying All Day Long


Society & Culture  (tags: rights, women, violence, religion, islam )

Tommy
- 921 days ago - ignitumtoday.com
Asia Bibi's cell is like a tomb, deprived of sunlight. She can see 'no more than the prison bars, the wet ground and the walls blackened by filth. An odour of grease, sweat and urine pervades everything...It is the smell of death or of despair.'



Select names from your address book   |   Help
   

We hate spam. We do not sell or share the email addresses you provide.

Comments

Ge M. (218)
Tuesday June 12, 2012, 7:54 am
Just for drinking water with "friends". Muslims charge Christian, she doesn't stand a chance!

Please sign petition http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/asiabibi
 

Bernard Cronyn (31)
Tuesday June 12, 2012, 9:13 am
Can anyone imagine the outcry from our usual gang of Care2 carers if the situation was reversed and this women was held on similar charges in the USA, UK or EU?
 

Beth S. (334)
Tuesday June 12, 2012, 9:38 am
Thanks for posting, Tommy. This is a terrible situation, and worse, not uncommon in Pakistan. I feel so bad for this woman, and I hope she is freed soon.

Unfortunately, Pakistan's treatment of Christians and women in general is horrendous. Women who are raped there have been accused of prostitution and punished again by the system.

Honor killings of females, Pakistan coming in at the top of the list of Islamic countries where it is practiced, most often let the males who committed the murders off, no questions asked.

Acid attacks against women, another list with Pakistan at the top, is another tragic distinction.

Notably, Pakistan also ranks the highest in bestiality videos rented.

This Islamic majority country has no business lecturing the West on morals.
 

. (7)
Tuesday June 12, 2012, 9:53 am
Signed petition. Thank you for posting. What a horrible injustice.
 

Elaine Al Meqdad (228)
Tuesday June 12, 2012, 10:08 am
Noted! And you can bet I'll be praying continually for her safe release!
 

Les L. (16)
Tuesday June 12, 2012, 12:16 pm
You've expressed it so eloquently and truthfully Beth Thanks.
 

Stan B. (122)
Tuesday June 12, 2012, 1:34 pm
Another disgusting episode from Pakistan, a pariah state if ever there was one. I can't understand why the US and other countries continue to pour money into this Muslim hell-hole because they just seem to be going from bad to worse. They have the worst record of abusing women and " non-believers" on the planet and that's saying something.
Noted and forwarded thanks Tommy. My prayers are with Asia Bibi.
 

Barbara K. (75)
Tuesday June 12, 2012, 1:50 pm
Noted with great sadness and disgust. What a nasty country, needs to sink into the sea and be forgotten.
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday June 12, 2012, 2:28 pm

Sorry, but this article left too many questions about this case and I finally found some comprehensive information. This gives the background and the current situation for this extremely unfortunate woman, the death sentence may be lifted, in that case I would hope another country would offer sanctuary to Asia Bibi and her family.

In June 2009, Asia Noreen, a farmhand from the village of Ittan Wali in Sheikhupura District, was asked to fetch water; she complied, but some of her Muslim fellow workers refused to drink the water as they considered Christians to be "unclean". Apparently some arguments ensued. There had already been a running feud between Noreen and a neighbour about some property damage. Later some coworkers complained to a cleric that Noreen made derogatory comments about Prophet Muhammad. A mob came to her house, beating her and members of her family before she was rescued by the police. However, the police initiated an investigation about her remarks, resulting in her arrest and prosecution under Section 295 C of the Pakistan Penal Code. She spent more than a year in jail. In November 2010 Muhammad Naveed Iqbal, a judge at the court of Sheikhupura, Punjab, sentenced her to death by hanging. Additionally, a fine of the equivalent of $1,100 was imposed.

Noreen's husband, Aashiq Fauji Masih, 51 years old, plans to appeal the verdict, which has to be upheld by the Lahore High Court.

As of November 2011, Asia Bibi remains in prison, more than two years after the alleged incident and one year after the death sentence.

International response:

Pope Benedict XVI called for clemency for Noreen, and the conviction has also been criticised by human rights groups. According to Human Rights Watch researcher Ali Dyan Hasan, "The law creates this legal infrastructure which is then used in various informal ways to intimidate, coerce, harass and persecute."

Possible presidential Pardon:

According to the Governor of Punjab who investigated the affair for the President Asif Ali Zardari, Noreen is likely to be pardoned if the High Court does not suspend the sentence. However, the local imam threatened that if she is pardoned or released, some people would "take the law into their own hands". Her family has received threats and has gone into hiding.
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday June 12, 2012, 2:39 pm

Comment lost again? I signed the petition and posted it to FB.

Here is more information about this horrible situation:

In June 2009, Asia Noreen, a farmhand from the village of Ittan Wali in Sheikhupura District, was asked to fetch water; she complied, but some of her Muslim fellow workers refused to drink the water as they considered Christians to be "unclean". Apparently some arguments ensued. There had already been a running feud between Noreen and a neighbour about some property damage. Later some coworkers complained to a cleric that Noreen made derogatory comments about Prophet Muhammad. A mob came to her house, beating her and members of her family before she was rescued by the police. However, the police initiated an investigation about her remarks, resulting in her arrest and prosecution under Section 295 C of the Pakistan Penal Code. She spent more than a year in jail. In November 2010 Muhammed Naveed Iqbal, a judge at the court of Sheikhupura, Punjab, sentenced her to death by hanging. Additionally, a fine of the equivalent of $1,100 was imposed.

Noreen's husband, Aashiq Fauji Masih, 51 years old, plans to appeal the verdict, which has to be upheld by the Lahore High Court.

As of November 2011, Asia Bibi remains in prison, more than two years after the alleged incident and one year after the death sentence.

International response:

Pope Benedict XVI called for clemency for Noreen, and the conviction has also been criticised by human rights groups. According to Human Rights Watch researcher Ali Dyan Hasan, "The law creates this legal infrastructure which is then used in various informal ways to intimidate, coerce, harass and persecute."

Possible presidential pardon:

According to the Governor of Punjab who investigated the affair for the President Asif Ali Zardari, Noreen is likely to be pardoned if the High Court does not suspend the sentence. However, the local imam threatened that if she is pardoned or released, some people would "take the law into their own hands". Her family has received threats and has gone into hiding.

Stan - thanks for the forward.
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday June 12, 2012, 2:41 pm

Sorry Tommy the latency on Care2 lately is causing many to double post. Perhaps if I explain to Care2 they will remove one.
 

Beth S. (334)
Tuesday June 12, 2012, 3:10 pm
Thanks for the very detailed history on this, Kit.

Many Christians in Pakistan have been falsely accused and punished for "insulting" Muhammad or Islam. Christian women in Pakistan have been the victims of kidnapping, forced conversions to Islam and forced marriages to wealthy Muslim men. The situation's out of control.
 

Gene Jacobson (255)
Tuesday June 12, 2012, 4:20 pm
Some ally we've got there. I don't know which is worse Al-Qaeda or the "official" government, more like they are one and the same. Thanks for the additional information, Kit. But I still find the story abominable. This from the religion of peace, of moderation? Just ask CAIR. They'll tell you how tolerant and moderate Muslims are. But they won't talk about this story, or the young man beheaded in Tunisia. Islam will be a religion of peace when it disappears from the face of the earth, not until. And, given how they behave, what they think of anyone who is not Muslim, that is likely what it will take. I read a book as a child that predicted the final world war would begin in the middle east. I thought that silly then, what nation there has any power I thought. Then came the last 40 years. You don't need a standing army to cause a world war, you just need infiltrate, propagate, subvert from within, use tactics of terror, hide in plain sight and eventually everyone else will come for you regardless where you are hiding. I can see something like that happening. When the world as a whole gets tired of the constant terroristic acts and the heinous personal crimes these criminals perpetrate as part and practice of their "religion" and their holy jihad. After all, each time one dies a martyr, 72 virgins are sent to hell to wait on the murdering fool. Yeah, peaceful. As an exploding bomb is.
 

. (0)
Tuesday June 12, 2012, 4:42 pm
Signed.
 

Joan H. (20)
Tuesday June 12, 2012, 6:50 pm
signed and FBed. Gene you're so right about our "allies" and we give them, what billions of dollars in aid every year. It's disgusting. I hope you're right about getting Islam abolished. The religion of peace it certainly isn't.
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday June 12, 2012, 7:06 pm

Over ten years we have given Pakistan $8,67 billion in aid for the use of their land and air space in our war with Afghanistan.

Abolish Islam? Would you abolish Christianity for the grievous injuries caused by the Catholic church? Nope, no one suggests that. Or for being in support of slavery? For screaming slanderous and vile statements against those of a different sexual orientation?

I have an article from a few days ago about a woman who could be jailed if she can't pay a very heavy tax burden because she was married to woman and not a man.

There are 1.3 billion Christians and about the same number of Muslims and because you don't know or understand that this is culture and not religion being addressed in this article, you want to abolish a religion? Way to go - really open minded thinking.

This story is without a doubt, tragic, and it's an insult to any justice system that this woman has been treated so horribly, but that does not justify wanting to abolish deeply held beliefs by nearly one-third of the earth's population.
 

Rob and Jay B. (121)
Tuesday June 12, 2012, 10:33 pm
This sad story relates to the Obama administrations recent removal of religious persecution from their State Dept's so-called Human Rights report:
http://www.care2.com/news/member/662374011/3388449 All to give in to the Muslim occupied countries' demands (not to mention his own Muslim Brotherhood 'advisers' in the White House).

Kit B, you seem to not know anything about the teachings of Mohammed vs. those of Jesus. Mohammed did teach, as does Islam, that all non-Muslims are vile creatures and to 'kill non-believers wherever you find them'and to conquer us all so 'all religion is for Allah'. Islam is not a religion of peace, tolerance, love your neighbor (let alone your enemy), nonviolence, forgiveness or not judging or stoning others. Quite the opposite.

There are around 109 verses of the Qur'an that preach hate toward non-Muslims and the ahadith and sira are even worse. Mohammed led his gang of thugs in forcing everyone in the area to become Muslims, be killed or flee. He had hundreds of Jews beheaded and killed, or he drove them out - always stealing their property as the 'booty' his malevolent deity told them to take.

Jesus never taught to force his teachings on anyone, but to offer them. If any so-called Christian uses violence, intolerance or force they are going against the teachings of Jesus, whereas if Muslims use force and violence and intolerance against non-Muslims they are following Mohammed's example (which they are told to do) and obeying Allah's commands.

Big difference. Islam means 'submission' and it isn't just rhetorical. Non-Muslims are being ethnically cleansed from many Muslim ruled lands right now. And you'll have a very hard time finding any supposedly 'moderate' Muslim who will condemn this or Islam's 1400 years of conquest, invasions, occupations, mass murders and oppression of infidels. They won't do it. Just ask them.
 

Carola May (20)
Tuesday June 12, 2012, 10:41 pm
Kit B: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land! That is their disgrace in this world and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter." 5:33(Quranic commentator Ibn Kathir intreprets this to mean those who 'criticize' or 'oppose' Islam, Allah & Mohammed)

‘Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in the world and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained...Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter. ‘ Q 33:57-61

Perhaps you can tell me where Jesus or Buddha said anything of the sort. Islam is also the only 'religion' that commands those who leave it be killed, just like the mafia.
 

Carola May (20)
Tuesday June 12, 2012, 11:09 pm
It is noteworthy that of the top 10 countries that are the worst for persecuting Christians, 9 are Muslim ruled:

http://www.worldwatchlist.us/world-watch-list-countries/

Pakistan is 'only' number 10, so isn't even as hateful as the others! And the vacation hot spot for westerners, the Maldives, is number 6. In this Islamic dictatorship it is illegal to be anything other than Muslim and no other religion or religious edifice is legal. This black hole of human rights and freedoms makes Pakistan look positively progressive!
 

John J. (0)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 12:54 am
Blaspheming muhammed -- thats an interesting concept,she must have called him a good man
 

John J. (0)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 1:28 am
@ Carola May
Your comment on quran 5.33 got my attention and reminded me that quran 5.32 is generally quoted as follows---
" if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or to spread mischief in the land-it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind”
I have heard muslims and non muslims on numerous occasions quote this verse as evidence of the compatibility of Islam with other religions/cultures
So I checked it out and can see immediately that the said quran 5.32 is being quoted incompletely with what I can only call a disingenuous purpose and is in fact a warning to the children of israel to behave or they would face the punishments of quran 5.33 as you have stated

.

 

Tommy S. (11)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 1:52 am
What incredible display of faith- this woman is an inspiration--- (God be with her)
Asia has spent close to 3 years living in the most undignified prison conditions. Whereas Muslim clerics, like Abu Hamza, responsible for some of the worst terrorist atrocities in the West, enjoy the relative comfort of prison cells with televisions and 50 channels, she is fighting for survival in conditions unfit for an animal
The difference between the civilized and the uncivilized

Abu Hamza's complaint circa 2007 to the prison authorities
that his personal care nurse was a homosexual--

 

Ira Herson (13)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 2:06 am
As I have posted before. Governments that are based on religious law and not an Independent civil court will lead to tyranny.
The Orwellian nature of thought police dictating what to believe or not controlled by the government is the total control of the people.

"Love big brother!" (love Allah) "All people are equal but some people are more equal than others".

There is no way you can convert from Islam because if you do it is treason. The thought police have spoken!
 

Alexa R. (330)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 2:44 am
Signed. Thanks for sharing Gillian and Tommy!
 

. (0)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 3:14 am
The way that this woman is being treated is nothing short of barbaric, of that there is no doubt. There are those who compare her treatment with the treatment of Abu Hamza (who is Egyptian and not Pakistani). Surely the way these two people are being treated is what seperates a civilsed country from an un-civilised one.
 

Lydia S. (71)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 5:13 am
I have signed this, and numerous other petitions ... do a Google search, there are several circulating, as her situation is becoming more and more grim & life threatening. Not only from the government's execution order, but from the conditions she is enduring, which could easily result in her death from disease. It is deplorable that this country is our so-called "ally".

As Gene Jacobson put it so well, "I don't know which is worse Al-Qaeda or the "official" government, more like they are one and the same." True, indeed!

As for those who call for "tolerance for deeply held beliefs", PLEASE understand, the Nazis also had "deeply held beliefs", which led to World War II and the Holocaust. To "Tolerate" this belief system is to defend the injustices and be complicit in the atrocities committed in the name of mohammed, allah AND "islam"!

It is a POLITICAL IDEOLOGY with GLOBAL IMPLICATIONS and an AGENDA TO FORCE IT ON THE WORLD through stealth, conquest, our "tolerance", etc. via Jihad. It is MASQUERADING as a "religion", but it is NOT a "religion" -- any more than "Fascism" was a "religion"! I have no doubt there are many good muslims in the world -- I worked with some very nice muslims, who invited me to their homes. I shared many a pleasant dinner ... but when it came to "faith", I remained an "infidel". The more "devout" the muslim is, the more likely he/she is a threat to our Western ideals of freedom!

No other "religion" has adherents crying out: "Buddha is the Greatest" while murdering non-Buddhists, or Jehovah is the greatest", or Jesus is the greatest", etc. The day I hear muslim clerics RENOUNCE the very concept of killing while calling out "allahu akhbar", and CALL FOR AN END TO THESE MURDERS, will be the day I consider islam a "religion". But as long as I hear these clerics refer to muslims who DO renounce this behavior as "apostates" who are behaving "unislamically" -- I will continue saying it is a POLITICAL IDEOLOGY which is incompatible with Democracy and our US Constitution and various Progressive Free countries.

Please separate the TEACHINGS of Jesus Christ from the DOCTRINE of the "Catholic Church" -- they are NOT one and the same! Also, the injustices and crimes of "christianity" which many refer to -- are NOT happening TODAY!

Quoting MEDIEVAL history to justify the atrocities being committed in the TWENTY FIRST Century is beyond absurd and thoroughly disingenuous!
 

David E. (94)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 5:14 am
The Christian churches whether Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox do not care about Christians in Moslem countries for 2 reasons: 1) they fear Moslem violent reaction, and 2) the Christians being oppressed are not "white".
 

Berny p. (23)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 5:35 am

THE BEST THINK WE COULD DO WITH PAKISTAN IS TO STOP ALL MONEY...DO NOT GIVE A CENT.....AND SEE HOW THEY LIKE IT!
 

Lydia S. (71)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 5:47 am
Kit B wrote: "In June 2009, Asia Noreen, a farmhand from the village of Ittan Wali in Sheikhupura District, was asked to fetch water; she complied, -- but some of her Muslim fellow workers refused to drink the water as they considered Christians to be "unclean""

This is typical ... In my job as supervisor and Sous Chef, I was washing and slicing strawberries for a brunch, to be served with waffles and crepes. I saw a person whom I considered a friend, eying the berries; they were ripe and delectable. I extended a beautiful, juicy berry -- with a GLOVED hand -- to this fine muslim person. It was declined with the words, "no thanks, I'm not hungry. but they do look nice".

The cook, my supervisor said, "you are an infidel ... a muslim will never accept something from your hand. You are considered unclean". I didn't believe him, but decided to put this to the test. I left the strawberries, and ducked behind the corner to see what would happen. Sure enough, this person grabbed a HANDFUL of the berries and proceeded to scarf them down. I came out and said, "I thought you said you weren't hungry. I would gladly have given you a handful. You didn't have to steal them"! He was livid, and never spoke to me again! No loss there ;-)

Shortly afterwards, I heard one of the "moderate" Turkish muslims threaten to cut his wife's tongue out because she wanted to cut her waist-length hair. This lovely lady tried to convince me he "meant no harm! He was just kidding". I told her no decent man would threaten a woman that way; and besides, what right did he have to tell her what she may or may not do with her own hair? She said, "You do not understand our ways"!

Ironically, she was the one who gave me the koran to "prove" how kind & compassionate mohammed was, how good her "religion" was. Thus began my education!

It was an eye-opener which quickly dispelled the MYTH that islam is "peace" ... Folks, it may be "comforting" to think all things are rosy -- but do take off the "glasses" and stop burying your head in the sand. If you value your civil liberties, become educated, aware, and informed! We must stop this scourge.

There are muslims who are right now worried that what they came to escape from, is slowly creeping in to the countries they FLED TO as REFUGEES! They lived under islamic sharia -- they do NOT want to live under it again!

Read the St. Petersburg Declaration of April 5, 2007. Link below ... Five years later, only 14 muslim have signed this document! That's how "peaceful and compatible" islam is with our Western ideals!

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/ISIS
 

bob m. (32)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 8:25 am

Thanks for the brilliant pcopy Dave E ; some people just don't hava good day without a good dump...well chosen avatar.....Harvard or Cambridge ?.. thanks for grounding most here though ..even more.. your comment helps.. in reflection.
 

Rob and Jay B. (121)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 9:25 am
Berrnard C, you said "Can anyone imagine the outcry from our usual gang of Care2 carers if the situation was reversed and this women was held on similar charges in the USA, UK or EU?"

Excellent point. You, and we, know that if this was being done to a Muslim woman by non-Muslims in any non-Muslim ruled country it would be headlines, Obama would speak out and threaten to send in the Marines and even Care2 would actually CARE, but stories like these which are so common every day around the Muslim occupied world just don't matter to anyone.

Does Saudi Arabia own all the news outlets now, other than United Press Int'l? Seems so. They certainly own the White House, and have for years.
 

Kit B. (276)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 9:27 am

What tolerant group of howling dogs. A story about a serious miscarriage of justice is converted to yet one more reason to display Islamophobic ideas. If you actually had read the Quran, if you actually study the religion, the history, the tribal customs and then formed an opinion, but nope. Just spew that hate, which comes from fear and fear is from a lack of knowledge.

You think the Catholic Church didn't kill people for not converting? Ah, yes - we are a part of the western world, de facto we must be better and more reasonable. The US justice system is still killing people, knowing well that there is much evidence of their innocence, dead is dead.

Tolerance, it's not a difficult concept. Try it some time. Better yet - try some education.
 

Carola May (20)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 9:51 am
John J, I'm very glad you pointed out the Qur'an 5:32 verse because it shows one of the most common Islamist obfuscations and Taqiyya (lying to promote Islam) that they use (like another common one that is a red herring, 'there is no compulsion in religion' that they know was cancelled out by all the later hate verses against all non-Muslims) to make the ill-informed average western person, politician and journalist believe Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance, when all the evidence says the contrary. They know this and must get quite a laugh when they are away from the infidels.

The Islamists quote that verse 32 but don't tell anyone about verse 33, the 'except' portion of that first verse. This form of Islamic lying (there are 3 types that Islam condones to be used to gain advantage over 'nonbelievers') is called Kitman - lying by omission. (The third form of lying used by orthodox Muslims is Tawriya - saying what is 'technically' true, but not meaning what is actually being said).

Another common trick of Islamists is the oft repeated 'Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance', which, sadly those same westerners above accept without question when that phrase doesn't mean at all the same thing to Muslims as it does to westerners. In Islam 'peace and tolerance' are only given when Muslims are a very small minority or when conquered non-Muslims 'submit' to Islamic rule, accept second class (or worse) status in their own country and obey Islamic rulers. Then they are at peace and tolerated. Very different meaning, isn't it?
 

David E. (94)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 9:59 am
I really do not care what it says in the Koran. Of all the trouble spots in the world Moslems are involved one way or another. What we see is violence either by countries, tribes, groups and organization. Some are religiouly orientated others less so, but all Moslem. Yes, Christian were the same, but 500 years ago. Secularists,(Nazis and Communists), just last century. Moslems Today.
 

Carola May (20)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 10:20 am
Kit, I have read the qur'an, most of the ahadith and the sira. Have you? Obviously not from the naive things you say. Is it hateful to oppose hate? That is what those who have actually studied Islam are doing here, as opposed to people like you who defend this most indefensible of 'religions'.

Your constant leftist rant about 'look how bad Catholics were' is so lame. It's already been explained for the ignorant about Islam the big difference between what Jesus Christ actually taught and what Mohammed actually taught.

Jesus did not teach violence, force, hate against anyone, stoning, sex with children, killing all Jews, robbing and murdering those who wouldn't accept him, BUT Mohammed DID do and teach those things. If you had read these Muslim books you would know that.

If so-called Christians did/do any of these awful things they are going against Jesus's teachings,

Muslims doing violence, force, preaching hate, persecuting non-Muslims, raping non-Muslims etc etc are following the example of Mohammed their 'prophet' who is their example, and also obeying his and his malevolent deity's commands to do so. Mohammed captured and raped women. Even Islamic writings mention 66 women he had sexual relations with, most were rapes or made into sex slaves (which is still condoned in Islam). Is opposing this 'hateful'?

What is so hard for you blind leftists to grasp in this? Islam DOES teach hate and violence to all non-Muslims. Mohammed did teach and command these things. Jesus did not.

Why do people like you call people who oppose hate, violence and cruelty of Islam haters? It's like '1984' with you people. Islam/Mohammed preach hate and violence and you condemn those who oppose that? What kind of warped philosophy do you have?

Do you defend and condone Islam's commands to 'kill unbelievers wherever you find them'? To kill those who criticize or leave Islam? To kill gay people? Do you defend an ideology that demeans and imprisons women and says to 'treat your women like domestic animals'? How can you ignore these ugly teachings?

Islam has never been reformed. All the ugly teachings are still as valid today as 1400 years ago when Mohammed was forcing everyone in Arabia to convert, die or flee. Nothing has changed. No other religion founder has ever spewed such hatred and evil as Mohammed. How dare you to even think they do!

Ask your Muslim friends if they renounce the teachings of hate I've mentioned. Ask them if they condemn all the atrocities committed that Mohammed/Allah commanded in the conquest of all the lands now occupied and ruled by Islam - all the millions of innocent people murdered (some estimates are 270million murdered by Islam in its lust to rule the world as Allah commands).

They will not (and never have) apologize for any of Islam's conquests, nor will they renounce the commands to kill all Jews so the Muslim Day of Resurrection can come, or to kill the others I mentioned above. THAT is hate, pure and simple and your defending it and ignoring it makes you just as much a hater and just as complicit as those who believe in these horrible tenets of hate.

I've asked your Islamist friends you hang out with here to renounce these things many times and never has one of them done so. Yet you don't call them 'haters' for supporting such hate-filled ideology, do you?

What a sad person you are if you are so blind. YOU are the one who should get a little education on Islam. There is no way you could read the Islamic trilogy, as I have, and others here, and say the ridiculously naive things you've said (as usual). It's tiring to have to try to enlighten you all the time in your self-imposed ignorance on this subject. Please read these offensive books of hate, then make some comments. What side are you on?
 

bob m. (32)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 10:46 am


5oo years ago ..europe was dealing with much ..including the invasive results of centuries of slave raiding by islam and any number of other pilgrimmages out of sheole...
Without Christ.. none are righteous .. islam is by definition antichrist...
As to the dogs ..we are perhaps just as the ones referred to as those eating crumbs from under the table... howling in the wilderness .. BEWARE ...wolves in sheeps clothing.... and howl we shall.
 

Gene Jacobson (255)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 10:48 am
"There are 1.3 billion Christians and about the same number of Muslims and because you don't know or understand that this is culture and not religion being addressed in this article, you want to abolish a religion? Way to go - really open minded thinking. "

:^), Kit. I had some small hope for Pakistan when they first elected Benazir Bhutto as prime minister, a woman! But then they framed her and after that they killed her.

I'm not really an islamophobe. I'm a religionophobe. I think they are ALL evil. All created for the same purpose, for men to exercise control over other men. I am a spiritualist, I have tremendous faith in my Creator, but none whatsoever in human institutions of religion. I think them the greatest evil ever perpetrated on humanity by men. They all have bloody histories. Most have grown past that stage. Islam never has and never will - a central tenet of that faith is that all must become Muslim or be killed and they really don't care which. So, yes, had I the power, I would abolish all religion as a detriment to humanity and sanity.

We'd be better off following the Native American path of realizing the spirit of God exists in every living creature and treating all with the reverence and respect they deserve. I'd go further even though than that, there is nothing in this universe that was not created from the body of our Creator, animate or inanimate - remember everything on this planet was first formed in the belly of a star somewhen back near the beginning of the relative universe. That universe is still expanding but will eventually come back in on itself and again be born in a cosmic orgasm of sorts. I think of this as the breathing in and out of God.

I would not impose my will on the entire planet though it would sorely tempt me had I that power. For I insist on the freedom to make my own choices unhindered, unfettered by any religion and to be true to myself I must accord that same freedom to everyone else, no matter how misguided I may think they are.

What I can do personally, and I do have Muslim friends, is advocate for peace until my dying day. This I will do. In the meantime I'd like everyone to stop persecuting and beheading and otherwise murdering God's children in Her name. That is the greatest blasphemy of all to me and if our Creator could be bothered by such things, She would be mortified by what we do here. But He is not bothered by such things, this universe is His gift to us, what we do in it is our choice, what we become in it is our choice. There is no way to "lose" this game, there is no hell awaiting us (nor 72 virgins for terrorists either, sorry guys, they got you with that one), nothing but home, where we came from and to which we all return, once again re-membered, part of the whole that we have always been, a place where love is all there is. So we're safe ultimately, it is the journey of some souls here that troubles me, not our Creator because in Her eyes, we are love that cannot be lost, no matter what role we assume here. Such is my faith that I believe Her. But I, in this form, still want people to stop hating, murdering, abusing each other and I don't care what the reason is, there is NO good reason to do any of those things.

If one must look to a book for teaching, then read and live the sermon on the mount, follow the teachings of the gentlest man to ever walk the planet. He wasn't wrong in what He taught. Nor have been the teachers that have followed him on that peaceful, loving journey. If it hurts someone else, don't do it. This isn't difficult to understand, but apparently nearly impossible to live up to. Or so we think. In this we think wrong. He said what he did, WE will do. All that is left is to do it. And we are botching that job pretty well.

With the twisted teachings of those treat hatred and murder most foul as part of their faith, who needs
enemies? Pogo said it best, we have met the enemy and he is us. That is still the truth. Live free and allow others the same freedom is the only acceptable choice, but we seem incapable of making it, our religions won't let us - because the moment we realize we ARE free to decide for ourselves, they lose their power to control us. And because they fear that most, they insist only they can speak to our Creator, as if our loving Mother would only speak to some of her children and not others - ridiculous. Speak within and listen for that quiet voice of truth. It will set you free.

 

Gene Jacobson (255)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 10:52 am
Oh and we don't actually need to abolish anything. As more and more people waken to the truth of us, relgion will fall away on its own, like a snake shedding its sking, useful no more, needed no more. Religion will do itself in over time. It is all the blood that will be shed between now and then that my heart cries for. Because it is all so unnecessary, so inhuman, so inhumane, so unlike who we really are. It is the pain that has to be borne for the world to awaken that troubles me. Silly superstitions will give way to ultimate truth and reason. I just wish we could skip the bloody part and get to the civilized part faster is all.
 

bob m. (32)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 2:18 pm


quite.. ..except a snake shedding its' skin ...is still a snake........that IS religion.
But as to bloodshed?...I believe the only Blood that saves is that of Gods' Lamb...
be as gentle ..as a Lamb.
 

Ge M. (218)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 2:41 pm
It is interesting that Kit is saying that it doesn't matter that Asia Bibi was arrested and is being ill treated because she will be released. She is saying that it is acceptable for someone to be arrested and kept in appalling conditions away from her family, for years, because her fellow workers didn't like her drinking water. I am aware that the court wanted to pardon her but the uprising caused by such a suggestion had them backpedalling at great speed. I do not believe that Asia Bibi will be freed and, in the meanwhile, both she and her family continue to suffer.

I know that Kit has fallen but this travesty of justice is just the tip of the iceberg as to the way that Christians are treated in Pakistan but it must be acceptable, Kit said so!! The rape of little Christian girls taken from their families to brothels and, if the parents are lucky they are able to ransom them back. Christians are not allowed to own land, if they do Muslims come along and build on it. There are many more such abuses some of which I have uploaded as news items. I gave up as so few people are interested in Christian suffering. I would be interested to see the comments if this was a Muslim in an American or Israeli prison! I certainly doubt that it would be along the lines of , it doesn't matter, she'll be released eventually!!!!

Then we can look at the fairness of the treatment of Christians in any Muslim controlled country....absolutely none. There are thousands of Coptic Christians fleeing Egypt, I wonder why! It might have something to do with the removal of the terrible dictator, Mubarak (who ran a liberated country) and the introduction of the extremist Muslims who are turning the country backwards. They are starting as they mean to go on, the harrassment of Christians, the changing of marriage age for women from 18 to 9........
 

bob m. (32)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 4:53 pm


she may go to her eternnal home.. a very bright inheritance. I pray her tormenters turn from their ways and are saved.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 5:46 pm
It amazes me that the person here slamming the Catholic Church, and who calls herself an athiest, is always so quick to defend Islam ~ the "religion of peace." Seems to be the trend of many over the last few years. Perhaps she hasn't noticed that the stoning of women to death, the hanging of homosexuals, and honor killings, are things that happen in Muslim countries.
 

Beth S. (334)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 6:50 pm
No, Lost Account, she hasn't, or more precisely, she does not want to. Thanks for noticing and pointing this out.
 

Vicky P. (466)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 7:51 pm
I agree Kit, the same people jump out when there's a story on Muslims or on Israel, I don't see these bigots on anything else other than these stories.
 

John B. (122)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 8:42 pm
Thanks Tommy for posting the article. Read, noted and petition signed. To Kit, Gene and all the others thanks for all your postings. One hell of a disscussion going on. This story realy "stirred the pot".
 

bob m. (32)
Thursday June 14, 2012, 8:38 am

Call'em fire fighters Vicky: pretty well adept at smelling and recognizing and responding to smoke before it becomes a raging fire...
There is a Holy fire though ....but this isn't it.
If responding in disagreement, through study , experience and observation to a historicaly verifiable movement (cult) by bringing it to open criticism is bigotry; in the face of open rage and death threat and murder (cultishly required) .. then I surmize that pretty much every issue on C2 must in some way be labelled one form of bigotry or another...
. I am sure we need standards to aspire to.....I.believe God is Love (john 3:16.).. but as there seems to be a fox in the chicken house and so many sit like the 3 monkeys.. see no evil..etc...while the devourer works..
Many put aside the standard of God which is Love ; for compromise... for a luke warm "peace".. and even raise their young in a tepid formless response to life . broad is the way that leads to destruction.
So they curl up in their beds with liars and sorcerers ;seduced even in the face of common evidence that not only is it necessary to do a laundry ; but that a completely new covering is required.
The Lord once said to me.."the child whose NO was never heard; becomes the adult that doesn't understand how to ask".. .... Love stands at the door of our hearts and knocks... .
Most here recognize the difference between Love (true Peace) and the counterfeit seductions of islam (the world).. it is written ..1 John 2: 22, 23.....As for me I say NO.. in the face of it... to dancing with the devil now.
Even so; I know that Love never fails...Though I fall...For I am purchased with precious intent .. priceless Grace.... A Love which my fleshly temple kneels in awe filled incomprehesion of....in deep tearful heartfelt gratitude... it is beyond measure beyond our prideful perception... GLORY....to the LAMB... He IS Lord.
 

Janet G. (0)
Thursday June 14, 2012, 10:09 am
I pray for Asia Bibi and for the people who persecute her.
 

Beth S. (334)
Thursday June 14, 2012, 10:43 am
The same two people who are complaining about others here alerting readers to the dangerous human rights violations all over the Islamic world are the same two people who voraciously engage in almost every shark-feeding frenzy attacking Israel.

And they also appear to be too haughty and self-righteous to notice that they are hypocritically not only doing the same thing they accuse others of doing, but are doing it to a country that is engaged in protecting its very existence.

Getting a taste of their own medicine.
 

Marena Chen (200)
Thursday June 14, 2012, 2:33 pm
I've been real busy sending Green Stars (sorry Rob, couldn't send you one because I had already done so this week - but you deserve one) I feel really sorry for you Kit B. for you very strange attitude...You know absolutely zilch about Islam and the truly evil and vile commands/demands etc it's adherents are compelled to practice constantly (not ONLY in the dark ages - BUT NOW IN THE 21st CENTURY) I've studied Islam for 61 years and tell you this - YOU ARE SO WRONG and NAIVE to boot...READ some of the comments made here (and I DO mean READ them) Read a authorized translation of the Q'ran and the 5 Hadiths (AGAIN I mean REALLY READ THEM) and lastly, stop bashing the Church - they gave up those sort of barbaric practices centuries ago...(and please don't bring up the child sexual abusers among the clerics) We are witnessing the true evil of Islam in the case of Asia Bibi...She did NO ONE any harm and she did NOT blaspheme the Prophet at all...it was just a convenient way for these muslim women to get the upper hand over this most unfortunate christian woman... Muslims don't need any witnesses - all they have to do is , make a report and they are believed...I pray to God that He will have mercy on her and get her released...God has a Mighty Right Hand...!!!
 

Vicky P. (466)
Thursday June 14, 2012, 4:27 pm
I'm sorry folks, but care2 is not a bible thumping site, you need to go elsewhere to spit your hatred, and bible verses because the only ones you are convincing are yourselves and other Christians.
 

Florence Eaise (132)
Thursday June 14, 2012, 5:32 pm
sadly noted! I dont think religion is to blame, you cant fault an entire religion because of the way some of its followers behave! Otherwise christianity would be long gone! Blame the person not the faith! also thanks kit for your comments they shed alot more light on the issue!you write t he BEST articles!!! thanks
 

Florence Eaise (132)
Thursday June 14, 2012, 5:33 pm
also if you dont agree with someone thats fine its your right to do so however NOONE has the right to insult or berate someone because they think or feel differently! Our differences is what makes us all so interesting
 

pam w. (191)
Thursday June 14, 2012, 10:22 pm

Vicky Pitchford (147)
Wednesday June 13, 2012, 7:51 pm
I agree Kit, the same people jump out when there's a story on Muslims or on Israel, I don't see these bigots on anything else other than these stories.

+++++++++++++ Really, Vicky? Then I suggest you're not looking. And it doesn't matter, does it? This is a terrible story about a woman imprisoned in a government which considers her a criminal because she's the "wrong" religion! And whether or not she's released....the fact is this---Islam does NOT tolerate other religions, freedoms of speech, thought or artistic expression. And...by the way....calling people who disagree with YOU "bigot" just confirms your adherence to the "rules of defending Islam."

1. Deny, deny, deny. Pretend none of this is important....defend anything an Islamic state does to citizens just because they differ from the Islamic line.

2. Insult, insult, insult....label those who disagree with Islamic oppression as "bigots" or "Islamophobes," racists, anything else you can think of....try to cast doubt on their intelligence, experience or morality.

3. When all else fails....blame Jews.

To Florence....have you ever traveled in a Muslim country? You may talk about tolerance and "blaming the person, not the faith"....but when you're actually IN a Muslim country, you realize that the government IS the religion! There is NO freedom of speech, religion, etc....NONE. It's a system of total control over the citizens who live there.

Don't tell us not to criticize....not when human oppression is the result of these primitive "governments."
 

Robert Hardy (68)
Thursday June 14, 2012, 10:30 pm
the power of an idea. the fear of the unknown. the ignorance of the faithful.
 

bob m. (32)
Friday June 15, 2012, 12:55 am
The empty rhetoric of the 'running dog reactionariy"..
..The tour guides commentary on stone throwing .. from a glass house.
the seal of the mocker.
vainglorys' receipt
 

Vlasta M. (7)
Friday June 15, 2012, 5:57 am
US should stop issuing visas to Pakistani diplomats, politi9cians and businessmen until they work on their human rights. Pakistan is a basket case country of corrupt cynical rulers, military and fused with Islamists who are taught to hate by imams and mullahs and in their madras. There is no reason that US should support those guys who are hell bent on destroying Western civilization and are well on the way of destroying themselves.

Islam itself is incompatible with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and thus all Muslim-majority countries that had refused to sign it, should be kicked out of UN as unfit to serve until they correct the human rights abuses in their h9ome countries. US could simply refuse visas to those diplomats politicians and other top dogs in those countries.
 

Marianna molnar woods (9)
Friday June 15, 2012, 7:26 am
she is in my prayer
 

Beth S. (334)
Friday June 15, 2012, 12:48 pm
Vicky, you sound very much like you are an anti-Christian bigot and a hypocrite. No one is thumping the bible in a mean way here. Those who do, do so lovingly.

If this article were about a muslim in a Christian country somewhere, surely you'd be croaking a different tune.

Thanks again, Tommy for posting what you wanted at your own discretion. Great job.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Friday June 15, 2012, 6:24 pm
Terribly sad - she has NO rights and - it seems - no-one is able to help her. All Church leaders of all faiths could join together in one voice to have this WRONG PUT RIGHT.
I do not believe - in spite of her protestations - that Kit know much about the Qu'eeran - since she percieves it as a book of Love and Peace -......in your dreams Kit. Thanks Tommy
 

Carol Dreeszen (362)
Friday June 15, 2012, 8:50 pm
May God give her strength!! Just horrible!!!! I pray this woman can be set free soon!!
 

Mary P. (157)
Saturday June 16, 2012, 1:50 am
Its sad that humans continually oppress one another! If its not with wars then its in
cases like the above.

Florence E, "I dont think religion is to blame, you cant fault an entire religion because of the way some of its followers behave!"

Words of wisdom! Some 'howling dogs' here need to educate themselves! Thank you Kit for the 'label' I would
call them 'vultures' waiting to eat the flesh of the bones. Really pathetic!
 

zora b. (94)
Saturday June 16, 2012, 2:41 pm
This is really horrible situation for her! I hope she will be set free.
 

Ira Herson (13)
Saturday June 16, 2012, 10:08 pm
It is not really a matter of religion.

I could not give a rat's a*s about what some clown in a cave wrote. It is always a matter of control. The dictators want to control the way people think and act. So they call on the biggest bad boy on the block - god - to back them up and use that authority to control the masses.

It really does not matter what you believe. it is how you act. If you are horrible to people you are horrible. If you are good to people you are good.

Some people on the list wonder why the USA pours billions in to Pakistan. It could be that they have nuclear weapons controlled by an Islamic nation. If they do not get their money from the USA the they are free to sell them to whom so ever they like. Hmmmm. food for thought....
 

David E. (94)
Saturday June 16, 2012, 11:12 pm
Ira,

How did Stalin and Hitler do it? They had nothing to do with religion.

"The dictators want to control the way people think and act. So they call on the biggest bad boy on the block - god - to back them up and use that authority to control the masses."
 

Lydia S. (71)
Saturday June 16, 2012, 11:24 pm
@ Kit B, who wrote: "Tolerance, it's not a difficult concept. Try it some time. Better yet - try some education. "

Kit, I know you're "sincere" ... but that is not enough. Educate yourself on islam. Read the koran. hadith & sunnah. Open your eyes to what is going on -- not only in islamic countries, but in countries with significant muslim populations. To call for "Tolerance" in the face of horrific violence & INTOLERANCE -- is to be complicit in these crimes against humanity! To bury your head in the sand and pretend islam is "peaceful" and must be "tolerated", when it poses such a threat to all humanity -- is foolish indeed!

A few good quotes from a genuinely wise, great man ...

A nation or civilization that continues to produce soft-minded men (and women), purchases its own spiritual death on the installment plan. ~~ Martin Luther King, Jr

He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it. ~~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. ~~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter ~~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. ~~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

The ultimate tragedy is not the oppression and cruelty by the bad people -- but the silence over that by the good people.
~~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

This last one is my favorite, because it is SO TRUE!

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. ~~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Islamization is a GLOBAL threat ... it is an issue which matters ... it is incompatible with all the finest ideals of Western Civilization, and therefore, must be confronted! Human Rights must be defended -- against those who would violate them. Islam violates Human Rights, Women's Rights, Children's Rights, Religious Rights, LGBT Rights, Animal Rights, etc.

Every Human Rights organization which keeps records of Human Rights abuses -- the TOP offenders are almost EXCLUSIVELY islamic countries! Then you have N. Korea & China. The African countries are frequently islamic, where human beings are bought and sold..

There is no getting around it! That is not to say that all muslims are bad -- NO! IT IS THE IDEOLOGY WHICH MUST BE STOPPED! Tolerance of Evil is NOT noble. good, or MORALLY RIGHT!

 

Lydia S. (71)
Sunday June 17, 2012, 12:02 am
@ Vicky Pitchford: I am always intrigued when someone defends islam ... especially, when they are a Western Female. I try to understand, HOW, & Why, they defend the indefensible -- particularly, when they post the sort of Christian Bashing comments, exposing their bigotry against all faiths EXCEPT islam!

I see you "Care" about -- "Violence against Women; Women's Rights, Animal Welfare, Slavery Today,", etc How do these "Causes" mesh with your defense of an IDEOLOGY which is the antithesis of the above? I suppose you think "the GOP is waging a war on women" -- but the Taliban are cool? And Halal slaughter is okay too, since an imam is saying magical words, so the animals don't suffer as much?

I see in some of your photos, you are dressed "Immodestly" -- and carrying a bottle of beer ... and you're in a "Committed" / unmarried "relationship"!

Tell me, How long do you think you'd last in an "islamic" paradise, erm, country ;-) ?? Do you enjoy your civil liberties?
 

Alexa R. (330)
Sunday June 17, 2012, 2:36 am
Thanks for all the apt ~~ Martin Luther King, Jr. quotes Lydia! If I could star you again I would have ..
 

Ira Herson (13)
Sunday June 17, 2012, 2:47 am
David E.
Writes Ira - How did Stalin and Hitler do it? They had nothing to do with religion.
I a not sure what your point is. My comment did not say that use of religion was the ONLY way to control the masses but just one of many very effective ways. There are many ways and are not confined to just the Imams. They also use Armies, secret police and inciting people to riot.

There are many ways to control the masses. Hitler used his "Mine Kumph" and the threat of the Communists. The scapegoating of the Jews/Gypsies/gays etc. SO since you asked I guess you did not know these things.

Stalin used the ideology of Communism coupled with the fear of the west and the use of the authority of the state. I find it hard to believe that you did not know that.

So again what was your point? Is it that you think is it OK to treat people that have expressed independent thought opposed to that of the state sponsored religion should be imprisoned? or is it that religion is not being used by the state to control the masses?

There are other dictators that did not use religion, Pol Pot demonized the intelligentsia and killed by the millions. Hallie Salasie of Ethiopia's title was the "lion of Judea and the Shadow of God!" cool huh. He also backed himself with a powerful army that would throw dissenters in the gold mines to work. (there was no gold but it was the thought that counts).

But religion is a great way to do it. nothing like a fear of hell in the afterlife to keep people on track. Yes you can be punished in this life but we can make you suffer in the afterlife as well. No escape. But if you do what we want you can go to heaven and have anything you want. even a heavenly brothel. And the best part of this whole thing. It costs them nothing! God foots all the expensesl. Wow talk about skipping on the bill.
 

Brenda Towers (0)
Monday June 18, 2012, 2:12 pm
Noted and signed, and prayed for.
 

Mary P. (157)
Tuesday June 19, 2012, 11:43 pm
People of the World, please Wake up and see the bigger picture of Who wants
To destroy Islam? And Why? Some of the Hate mongers here, have jumped on the band-wagon
of demonising Islam because of their inner hate and fears!

Here is an interesting article worth spreading as an eye to those who wish to SEE:

Why the Bankers Created The War On Terror! Islam is the war on terror ! (The war on terror is a war against Islam).

?

Posted by Parsifal Rain Satori on June 20, 2012 at 12:25am

?View Blog.

The owners-of-the-world.inc see their power and the goal of total world domination, the full spectrum dominance, in other words, the new world order, threatened by the Muslims.

Therefore, this religion is weakened and damaged.

The global financial elite are atheists; they only pretend belonging to one of two Western faiths.

They abuse the biblical values and faithful people for their purpose.

In fact, they think they are gods themselves.

The global evilists believe in ‘GOD’, but it is written as:

G for gold means control over the money.

O for oil means control of the entire economy.

D for drugs means the control over the people.

If one governs these three things in their perverted way, then control the planet.

So everything is being fought what threatened their monopoly on power.

Islam is a great danger for GOD.

?That is why this religion is assailed, and the ‘war on terror’ with its artificially invented enemies is the means. 

What makes Islam so dangerous for the elite?

GOLD
The first part of their god is made of gold and of course money is meant to and control over the entire financial system.

This system is based on the simple principle that money is lent for interest.

It is an extremely good deal; actually it is the best, because lenders have to do nothing about it, just sit there, watching every month as the interest and compound interest on the account and the capital flow is increasing.

The more the world is indebted, the more they earn.

What a fantastic money making system.

It must of course be defended at all costs.

And if people can no longer pay the loans and interest rates then be collected the collateral that real estate, land, fixed assets, and thus the money lenders even have more of the earth.

This way people still are in debt as the debt still is not redeemed, but the interest will accrue on and on without end.

A perfect system to enslave humanity and relieve them of all their assets.
?

The power of the monetary industrial complex is so enormous; they have the protection by the states for the right to produce money out of air, and demand interest.

They have secured their monopoly on the supply of money and how much the interest rate is.

But their greed was so great that limits to the rapacious usurer had to be set.

Only these laws not really restricted the bankers, and they have simply found new ways to circumvent the rules, where they built fantastic financial constructs that allow them to continue plundering the people and rule them.
?

This unlimited greed of the financial elite and their subtle interest rate system throughout history of humanity has led to disaster, countries forced into bankruptcy, wars, killed millions and is the reason for the financial disaster we face today, with the imminent total collapse the value of money.
?

These criminal Wall Street bankers and financial sharks in the City of London, in their fine pin stripe suits will again escape with the loot from this disaster they have caused, while their victims losing their homes and everything and end up destitute on the streets.

The absurdity of this crime is the same culprits that cause this mess, offer as a solution the hiring of more loans, and then can collect even more astronomical interest rates.

To save it, the central banks pumped billions of them (1000 billion in 2008) in the global financial system, which means that we-the-stupid-people have to pay the losses at the end, the financial gangsters have caused.

?

Now the question, because the Koran forbids the charging of interest on loans could be one of the reasons for the war in the Middle East and in general against all Muslims and destroy Islam because it opposes the practice making money by lending money ?

This principle in Islam is a tremendous threat to the power of the moneyed elite. Imagine what would happen if there was no more interest and compound interest system ?

That would be fantastic, and really the solution to all problems of the world.

Thereby these bloodsuckers would have no power over us anymore.

We would escape this vicious circle of ever-increasing debt and interest slavery.

So who has the greatest interest to fight the Islam, to fight wars, invents enemies to be killed, as it means the greatest threat to their power structure ?

It is the global financial elite, the big bankers, all of which earn silly and stupid by money lending, credit, debt and the resulting interest.

Islam is opposed because it prohibits interest-based economy.
 

Mary P. (157)
Tuesday June 19, 2012, 11:50 pm
Contd: 2

OIL
In addition to the monetary control over resources such as oil for the elite, the second important element is what makes the God they worship.

Is it not interesting that the very countries which have large oil reserves, coincidentally all Arab or Islamic, allegedly harboring ‘terrorists.’ (*1

On the other hand, it is telling that in all conflicts in the world, it almost only goes to the natural resources which the country has.

Wars are fought and enemies invented to plunder them.

?Of course, lies will be dished-up one after the other; it involves the removal of an evil dictator in order to protect the nation from a tyrant, for democracy, for human rights.

Or we are told fictional stories about weapons of mass destruction, nuclear programs, and missiles threaten us and other horror stories, and therefore these countries are bombarded and captured.

Every time when a government does not subordinate the pressure and extortion, does or want to be raped and plundered or fit the predatory capitalist, then this country and the head of state is explained the axis of evil.

You can look wherever you want, whether Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Nigeria .... and even Kosovo, wherever it comes to oil or other essential natural reserves.


The global money elite invent and create enemies and then has a reason to plunder the countries in which they want to be able to intervene.

Therefore, the Islamic terrorist was invented by the ‘war on terror’ cause.

Without enemies, threatening oneself or the whole of humanity, they could not suppress the criticism of the aggressive wars and bring to silence any debate about it.

?It is the excuse for any criminal act; it legalized the dictatorship and the establishment of a police state and is the best cover for the criminal actions of the elite.

Here, the alleged terrorists of the elite themselves hired, trained and paid for as long as they were useful to them to lead as the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan.
 

Mary P. (157)
Wednesday June 20, 2012, 12:02 am
Contd: 3

Al-Qaeda is in fact an invention of the CIA + Mossad + MI6.

Islamic terrorism has been created by western intelligence and Bin Laden (aka Tim Osman) was their agent, and finally their scapegoat for 9-11.

Islam is being attacked because the Muslim countries accidently sit on the largest oil reserves in the world.

DRUGS
The third element that makes up the God of the elite are the drugs.

Using drugs is not only illegal.

With ‘drugs’ are meant not only such as heroin and cocaine, but everything that makes humanity addictive as the pharmaceutical industrial complex, entertainment industrial complex, porn industrial complex, casino industrial complex, and then of course the whole, the entire media industrial complex in general.

So that people can be controlled and restrained.

On the one hand with illegal drugs, but also with the legal drugs.

It is known that the biggest drug dealer in the world is the elite itself. They have a monopoly on that !

All of them are active in drug trafficking and money laundering with their banks.

?

This tactic is used for a long time, just think about how the British Empire with the Opium War, millions of Chinese people were drug dependent, the economy was paralyzed forcing the Chinese Empire to its knees.

With the help of the controlled governments, and military intelligence, the cultivation and production is protected and allows the transport to the consumer countries.

What does the allied forces other than guard the opium fields in Afghanistan ?

?

This is their real mission on behalf of the global elite.

It is a gigantic business opportunity, also making people will-less and dependent.

First, people get fixed and then cashed.

Then we have the legal drugs like tobacco and alcohol, which are a huge business, but puts millions of people into trouble and cause the society very high health care costs.

What is the pharmaceutical industrial complex other than a huge, state-licensed drug trade, which to immobilize humanity as well, controls and makes dependent ?

The Pharma corporations really want to heal ?

?

Of course not, that would be bad for business.

They want us to treat only, and thus make lifelong addict customers.

Keep us in a condition somewhere between sick and death.

And with all psychotropic drugs they produce a society of zombies who are sedated, not dance out of line and function well-behaved.

Then of course the elite dominate all the other addictive drugs such as entertainment, leisure, and entire media landscape.

?

They operate the casinos where addicts useless gamble away their money, they distract with their films, sporting events, shows and fantasy worlds from real life, they are forcing people into an addiction for more and larger stimuli.

They are behind the porn industry and also promote a hunger for fantasies which do not exist in the real world.

With all this is generated a discontent which even by more consumption and increased cineaste effects never can be really satisfied.

The Elite has all the media, newspapers, magazines, radio and television, and thus control the opinion of society, all we see and hear.

They determine what we should think what is politically correct, what to buy, to do and what we shall find - oh, so cool.

?

They write the history and correct as to how it suits them, portray themselves as good and as victims, all others as perpetrators and evil.

They convert the society and determine morality.
 

Mary P. (157)
Wednesday June 20, 2012, 12:07 am
They have invented feminism, pitting the men against the women who want to destroy the family, dominate the souls of the children and make a society consisting of selfish singles and thus the ideal consumer.

To achieve their greatest obstacle, to total control over the individual is the patriarchal family, as in Islam, where men and women meet their traditional roles and the healthy family provides a protection to the outside world.

Systematically, this - for thousands of years - well functioning form of life is demonized with in the media propaganda machine, misrepresented as exploitation and oppression of women.

Hostile family lifestyles are promoted as well, all under the guise of oh, so political correct ‘tolerance.’

Also adds up that Islam promotes a sense of community and puts spirituality, wisdom and the soul higher than property values.

This is in contrast to our Western religions which play in the foreground the egoism, individualism, materialism and greed for more and more at the expense of all others.

(To make it clear - I do not belong to any of the organized religions, I simply found a way to communicate with my Higher Self, you can name her/he/it Creator, God, First Source - up to you.

For about a decade I have lived in the Middle East and so experienced the ‘true meaning what makes a family’ and the interactive coherence of the family members - there is nothing which oppresses either females or males, both they have their roles in society and try, according to their Koran to carry out their assigned tasks as good as they can.

What I have seen, the concept of ‘Extended Family’ works very well).

Even the alcohol waiver, the prohibition of gambling and lead a chaste life prescribed in the Koran, is not at the business interests of the elite and is non-conducive to making big profits with all the stimulants.

Islam is being attacked because it advocates the protection and family unity, supports the sense of community, provides for the traditional roles of men and women and by abandonment of drugs and abstinence is not good for business.

Summary
?As we see Islam from the perspective of the ruling elite is a dangerous threat to their power.

Therefore by the tool of ‘the war on terror’ The Banking Industrial Complex have declared the Islam the enemy.

- By way of prohibition of interest and compound interest the main source of capital and opportunity to keep people in slavery is destroyed.

If the concept spreads, then the domination of the global financial elite will end.

- The Islamic countries are sitting on the largest oil reserves in the world.

It is totally unacceptable for the elite, that the Muslims possess and determine the strategically most important resource, which keeps the entire world economy running.


- And by the strong cohesion of the family in Islam, mutual assistance in the relationship, long-established principle of roles of men and women, the elite does not affect the people and the lies and propaganda are not valid.

?
Therefore, a war is being waged against Islam, so it is demonized, denounced all Muslims as violent, uncivilized, hateful villains.

It is this religion, if just studied and properly exercised that which is peaceful, tolerant and fair for all.


But justice is the greatest enemy of the owners of the world.

Islam will not make war against us, it is just the opposite.

The global elite have declared war on Islam.

It is not a war between civilizations, not a religious war like indoctrinated onto us.

They are also not against us because of our ‘freedom’, which we have not anyway, because we are slaves of the monetary system.

They are not a danger to us, but it is only a war of godless money elite against the ideas which embodies Islam that threatens their power.

The Christianity Banxters have already destroyed, it is become a facade for capitalism only.

What our Western consumer society has to do with the message of Jesus ?

?

What part of ‘Thou shalt not kill’ the puppets of the elite do not understand like Bush, Blair and all the other war criminals who appeal on the Bible ?

Are they Christians ?

If measured by what they do, certainly not.

They are mass murderers !

Now they are just about to attack Islam.

Next comes Asia then turn to the Hinduism and Buddhism, the next enemy has to be destroyed by the elite.

Until now with their poison spraying media still can not really undermine this cultures, but they are the best way to get there.

Is it not ironic that the Chinese asked the members of the money elite to become consultants to their house, which has led the global financial system to the brink of the abyss ?


‘As long as a strong man who has to have good weapons, defends the house, no one can steal something.’ - Luke 11:21

(*1 Update:

Venezuela - Oil richest country in the world:

Venezuela: A Threat to the Security of the USA?

"They accuse us over and over again of plans to attack the US"

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28622

Why Afghanistan? It’s pipelines, not terrorism.
Welcome to
Project Nsearch

 

David E. (94)
Wednesday June 20, 2012, 1:58 am
Mary P. Let's cut out all the lengthy rhetoric which nobody takes the time to read. Just look around the world at most of the trouble spots, violence, and wars. Who is mostly involved - Moslems!
 

Ira Herson (13)
Wednesday June 20, 2012, 5:40 am
Mary P.
The story featured here is not about the benefits of Islam or religion. It is about a woman the government has imprisoned for not believing what the government says to believe. It is oppression of the worst kind as it enforces thought as a crime.
 

Marena Chen (200)
Wednesday June 20, 2012, 8:09 am
Good Grief MARY P....what the heck are you on about...??? I've been living in a Muslim majority (with sharia ruling some of the states here and applying to ALL muslims in the country) for 48 - yes - 48 years... Your rhetoric (which I'm sure did NOT originate from you and the contents of this article you re-produced, seem to be way over your head) has absolutely no bearing on the issue under discussion here...This is about a poor, defenseless Christian woman (could be ANY woman) rotting in a jail in Pakistan...Get a grip on yourself and show some compassion for a fellow human being who is suffering beyond measure - UNJUSTLY...You'd make a real good, heartless Muslim...
 

Lucie G. (40)
Wednesday June 20, 2012, 9:12 am
This is so sad. My heart goes to this woman and her family.
 

bob m. (32)
Wednesday June 20, 2012, 12:19 pm

None need declare war on islam Mary .. it is perfectly busy in self obsorbled ' self destructive denial of Truth .. AND Righteousness...
1 john 2: 22..23.
 

Mary P. (157)
Wednesday June 20, 2012, 3:54 pm
Sorry!! Hate mongers, I know, I know you all hate hearing the truth about islam;
please stick to being fans of the islam hate sites!

Marena Chen , The Article was about this poor defenceless woman not about Your inner fears and hatred
For islam; which had u kept in check I wouldn't have had to write my lengthy comments! Anyways no one
Is forcing any one who do not wish to know the truth to read my comments! To the uninterested ones
please ignore my comments or maybe you all can get together and flag my
comments like you all normally do when the truth is told.!
 

Mary P. (157)
Wednesday June 20, 2012, 4:09 pm
David, open your eyes and see who (America) waged Wars on Iraq, afghanistan, libya, vietnam, Hiroshima, Nagasaki
etc etc. Find out who (america -Oil) is behind and involved in every middle east conflicts. Educate yourself by
reseaching for the Truth of situations instead of blindly believing all the lies your
Main stream feeds you.
 

Carol Dreeszen (362)
Wednesday June 20, 2012, 4:19 pm
Mary P..You are one heartless...selfish..inconsiderate...blinded.. non-compassionate person and so much more...if only your heart had half the beauty of your avitar that would say something more in a positive light about you!! But alas......you've proven yourself incapable of being that way! SAD!!!
 

Carol Dreeszen (362)
Wednesday June 20, 2012, 4:23 pm
"Luv amongst all mankind. All Humans are the Creation of GOD Almighty."

And this being on your profile is a farce compared to what you are showing on here!! Hypocritical to say the least!
 

Mary P. (157)
Thursday June 21, 2012, 4:33 am
Carol, " Hypocritical"

Really!! Why the silence from you when hate mongers go off the topic and attack the Religion of Islam instead of the sic perpetrators ? Who is the hypocrite?

Btw thank you for your kind words! Says a lot about your own character doesn't it?
 

Mary P. (157)
Thursday June 21, 2012, 9:52 pm
You, Carol D are the same person who stated on one of your group chats, that EVERY muslim should be blown off the face of the planet. Compassionate Bigot indeed!!!!!
 
Or, log in with your
Facebook account:
Please add your comment: (plain text only please. Allowable HTML: <a>)

Track Comments: Notify me with a personal message when other people comment on this story


Loading Noted By...Please Wait

 

 
Content and comments expressed here are the opinions of Care2 users and not necessarily that of Care2.com or its affiliates.