Friday August 3, 2012, 11:52 am
People with different cultures come to the West for the freedom and, in some cases, the benefit system!
If they choose to come to the UK then they should accept the laws, customs and traditions of their new country. No-one made them come here, they chose to and should accept their new way of life. Far too many bring their religion (no problem) but the way of life that they used to live and chose to give up. In other words, if you have a teenager then you have to accept that they willtwant to accept the way of life in this new land.
When a family refuses to become part of their new world then they will murder their children or take them abroad and forcibly marry them off. Some are honour killed or have acid chucked on them.
There are some modern parents who will support their children but some of them have traditional famililes from their original country and they will come and honour kill instead.
Friday August 3, 2012, 2:46 pm
An oft repeated tragedy occuring throughout the Islamic world. I'm so sorry to hear of the snuffing out of the life of a beautiful young woman because of the primitive, hateful and shame-based thinking that is endemic to Islam.
Friday August 3, 2012, 3:14 pm
The daughter shamed them? More like they shamed their daughter! I don't care what thier religious background is.There is NO excuse for murdering your own..Im glad our justice system worked and the parents were punished for murdering their daughter !
Friday August 3, 2012, 3:40 pm
It is so very sad that a young life just starting, is snuffed out by parents who should protect and nurture, not harangue and murder. In Canada, there was a similar case where the parents and son killed the father's first wife and 3 daughters by driving a car into a canal --- the Shafia case. Again, the family from Afghanistan was more worried about family honour. All are serving life terms, minimum 25 years. Another one involving a Canadian family --- theyoung lady met a fellow in India. Her parents arranged for her murder because in their estimation, she had dishonoured them.
Saturday August 4, 2012, 6:23 am
What kind of parents could murder their own flesh and blood to satisfy old tribal religious superstition. There is no 'honor' in any of this.
Unfortunately Islam DOES condone this kind of thing, though Muslims tend to deny it. Here's what The Reliance of the Traveller, Sunni Islam's prime text on Islamic/Sharia law, based on Islamic texts, says about killing - it's quite disturbing and chilling:
o1.2 o1.2 'The following are not subject to retaliation:'
'-2- a Muslim for killing a non-Muslim;
-3- ...killing an apostate from Islam is without consequences;
-4- a father or mother (or their fathers of mothers) fir killing their offspring, or offspring's offspring'
QUR’AN 18:65-81 This parable is used to justify 'honor' murders - a young boy is murdered by a man for his parents because‘ we feared lest he should oppress them by rebellion and disbelief.’
'Worldwide, 91 percent of perpetrators were Muslims. In North America, most killers (84 percent) were Muslims, with only a few Sikhs and even fewer Hindus perpetrating honor killings; in Europe, Muslims comprised an even larger majority at 96 percent while Sikhs were a tiny percentage. In Muslim countries, obviously almost all the perpetrators were Muslims'(Phyllis Chesler - Worldwide Trends in Honor Killings - Middle East Quarterly, Spring 2010, pp. 3-11)
Another terrible statistic that is only now becoming known is 'honor suicides' where the hateful cowardly parents push a daughter to kill herself so they can avoid punishment in western countries (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/women-told-you-have-dishonoured-your-family-please-kill-yourself-1655373.html)
A conservative estimate says there are 17,000 'honor' crimes, mostly against girls/women, in the UK each year (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/a-question-of-honour-police-say-17000-women-are-victims-every-year-780522.html)
Why are so-called feminists so silent on the demeaning abuse against women in Islam & its teachings? Whose side are they on?
Saturday August 4, 2012, 6:29 am
What a beautiful girl! All she wanted was to live like a normal human being instead of being someone's (a man's) property and kept imprisoned in the home. If their son would have done the same he would have gotten away with it.
They only got 25 years and will be out much earlier on parole. In cases like this Life should mean Life. They destroyed a young woman's life and took it away for the sickest of reasons. They should forfeit their own - that's a good Islamic law, except I don't believe in the death penalty as Islam does, but they shouldn't spend a few years in prison then be free where they will be treated as heroes in their community, most likely.
When will we ever be rid of this sort of primitive superstition?
Saturday August 4, 2012, 4:57 pm
The importance is not in what other people think.
The importance is what you think of yourself. It is possible to put people who don't understand you or who think ill of you in the past, behind you. Move on. But wherever you move on to, you are there. You can not escape yourself. And you're stuck with either being who you are now or, with the grace of Creator, changing yourself and, if you choose, you can move on to become the person you wish you were.
Saturday August 4, 2012, 5:36 pm
Culture be damned, murder is murder. It's too bad that people do not choose to rise above something that they know is wrong and continue to perpetrate crimes against their own flesh and blood. This is not about culture, this is about right and wrong. Killing is wrong, end of story.
Saturday August 4, 2012, 6:06 pm
So sad, such a beautiful girl, full of promise. A person/child is so much more valuable/precious than their Culture. The love that a parent has for a Child, must be love in Action. Love that says I care about him/her more than my Culture or what other people think or say. Love that comes first. We owe that to our Children/Grandchildren at the very least. May She RIP. May some good come out of this terrible act of violence.
Perhaps other families realizing that their Children must come first over culture.
Sunday August 5, 2012, 9:55 am
Thank you Rob and Jay B. You have far more information at your disposal than I have.
And the world wonders why people are leery of Muslims. Yes, I KNOW, not all Muslims behave in this way, yet look at the parents who together killed their daughter. Couldn't they be anyone's neighbor? Their daughter was beautiful - who could of known..
Sadly, I am becoming less and less trusting, and this bothers me.
Sunday August 5, 2012, 4:15 pm
Can not send a green star to Gillian Millar or Alan Yorkowitz as I have done so within the last week
Yes Becky not just awful horrific they are so brain washed with fear Certain aspects of Islam are truly gruesome
Where is Kenneth L not commenting ?????????
Tuesday August 7, 2012, 4:28 am
I see Robert O was here yet he said nothing but the anti-Semites who are such ardent Muslim supporters are missing. I find it difficult to support a religion where this kind of behaviour is acceptable and common.
Thursday August 9, 2012, 8:55 pm
This saddens and sickens me, that parents could murder their own child to keep up appearances in their community, and use their religion as justification. If they wanted their children to follow the Pakistani ways they should have kept them in Pakistan.