Thursday July 11, 2013, 11:58 am
Monica and Jelena, nice thoughts but very misguided. You obviously know nothing about the true teachings of Islam and Mohammed. Islam is the only religion that doesn't teach the Golden Rule (except for other Muslims), the only one that commands the killing and persecution of those who don't belong to it, the only one that commands the killing of those who question, criticize or leave it (like the Mafia). Also the 57 member OIC (Org of Islamic Countries, those countries that are ruled by Muslims, and are the largest voting block in the UN) doesn't support the UN Universal Declaration on Human Rights because it violates bigoted Islam Sharia law which does not grant equal rights to women or freedom of religion, conscience, speech or press (Allah forbids it), does not recognize the rights of little children to not be sexually abused and 'married' to dirty old pedophiles (like Mohammed himself) and commands the killing of gay people.
Surely, you are not defending this hate, bigotry and oppression?! How can you criticize anyone who condemns this ideology of hate and oppression? There are good people who are Muslims, many of whom aren't any more religious than the average Christian or Jew, and probably most of whom who know no more about what Islam really teaches than you do. But there are nice members of the KKK, Republican Party, Tea Party, Communist Party, Nazi Party etc etc etc, so does that mean you condemn anyone who criticizes the ideologies they are members of?
Thursday July 11, 2013, 12:06 pm
Tommy I understand you are having a joke and that the link is the opposite to what it implies I see what you are saying though this is not a funny situation now is it with muslims Time the world started doing more because its affecting all the world now
Time someone started getting tough with them i read in a book in the early 1980s called the invisible hand that the third world war will be with Islam and i can see this happening the softly softly approach is not working
Thursday July 11, 2013, 12:07 pm
Isn't it funny how one can read so many anti-Christian, Israel, Catholic, and many other groups and belief systems on Care2, yet the only belief system that it is considered 'hateful' to criticize is Islam? Criticizing Israel isn't considered to be hateful, or Mormonism etc, so why is it hateful to criticize the many teachings of hate and violence that permeate Islam, the only religion that teaches killing those who don't belong to it?
There are 109 verses of hate against non-Muslims in the Qur'an alone, and more verses of hate and killing of Jews than in all of Hitler's 'Mein Kampf'. How can criticizing this hate be hateful? Some people have a very twisted sense of values.
Here are just a very few verses of hate from Islam that have abrogated (cancelled) all earlier nicer verses:
“. . . slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. . .” Q 9:5 THE VERSE OF THE SWORD ABROGATES SOME 113 EARLIER VERSES
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 327: - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
Reliance of the Traveller, o9.0:
"Jihad means to war against non-Muslims."
The Reliance of the Traveller is Sunni Islam’s authoritative volume on Sharia law. It is endorsed by Alazhar University, Islam’s equivalent of the Vatican.
"Your Lord [Allah] inspired the angels with the message: 'I will terrorize the
unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and
incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers
and toes." Qur'an 8.12
"...and never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumph) over the believers." 4:141
"O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends." Qur’an 5:51
"He (Allah) does not love the unbelievers." Qur’an 30:45
“Allah’s Apostle (Mohammed) said...’I have been made victorious with terror’” Bukhari 52:220
"Killing unbelievers (non-Muslims) is a small matter to us." Mohammed, Tabari 9:69
"O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you harshness." Qur’an 9:1
"Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah." Mohammed, Ibn Ishaq 992
"Muhammed is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves." Qur’an 48:29
"...for the Prophet said, "If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." Bukhari 4:52:260
"War is ordained of Allah."Qur’an 2:216
"Lo! Those who disbelieve our revelations, we shall expose them to the fire. As often as their skins are consumed we shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment (again). Lo! Allah is ever mighty, wise." Q4:56
How can any decent person NOT criticize this hateful evil, let alone criticize anyone who does criticize it?!
Thursday July 11, 2013, 1:41 pm
Wow, another hateful post... Yeah, just keep bashing muslims. It will absolutely help something, and not keep them apart from other religions, thus allowing to fester hate. (irony, for the egghead who did not get that)
Thursday July 11, 2013, 5:11 pm
The dissertation was a diatribe of detritus. Yes the Koran is rife with objectionable quotations AS IS THE BIBLE. Very few Christians would implement many of the hateful passages even if they knew of them, This is exactly the same with Muslims. Fortunately for the West the biggest growing number of people are those without an affiliation with religion, the main reason why we are more tolerant of those who have an intense belief. Unfortunately the Islamic world is so repressive that the average person has no realistic knowledge of NON belief, and if they did renounce their faith it would have serious consequences. The same situation arises in the U S A but the retribution is largely by social, and personal discord. The end result sometimes can be just as damaging.
Thursday July 11, 2013, 7:12 pm
So if any Muslim renounces his or her faith in Islam, Shari'a mandates that those people receive the death penalty. And if a Christian in the U S A gave up his or her faith, "the same situation arises" but the retribution is largely social and personal discord, and the end results sometimes can be just as damaging.
So being executed for giving up the faith in Islam is "just as damaging" as the social and personal discord one might experience from giving up Christianity in the U S A.
That is certainly an "interesting" thought.
I have a feeling that most people would choose the social and personal discord that might happen from giving up Christianity in the U S A versus being the Qur'anically mandated execution for giving up Islam.
I suspect that serving a prison sentence for theft might even be preferred by most people to, let's say, the Quranically-mandated punishment of cutting the arm off and also the opposite leg for the same crime, as happens so often in countries ruled by Shari'a.
But of course that may just be me projecting..... Who know, you might be right, Tom, it's all the same, personal discord/death, prison sentence/cutting off the limbs..... Glad you gave us your perspective on this.
Friday July 12, 2013, 2:06 am
It never ceases to amaze me that some people are so darn stupid they blame the hate on the victims
I would have thought at the very least outrage at these atrocities but no -- the delusionists have no concept of right or wrong only subjection
islam has changed not a jot in 1400 years and these complete asses want to make excuses for it
@ Dianna M ---
quote... refuse to jump on your bandwagon of hate. ...Unquote
Do even have any comprehension as to what is happening here ??? sorry forgot-ignore it and maybe it will go away
@ Birgit W
quote...This is just a very hateful article, and I do not approve of that. How will we be able to get ever along if we just lash out at each other?...Unquote
Ah sadly misguided,Where did you ever get the idea that we can ever get along-- the quran ,sira and sunna of the prophet are quite clear on the subject of islamic supremacism and your subordinate position under it
@ Tom Edgar
quote...The dissertation was a diatribe of detritus ...Unquote
I am sure the victims would not agree with you
So you regard this as evidence of islamic love ROFL
Friday July 12, 2013, 2:23 am
only a starter
MALAYSIA: MOVE TO LEGALIZE FORCED CONVERSION OF MINORS -- GOVERNMENT ATTEMPTS TO FURTHER ISLAMIZE THE LAW BY STEALTH [Excerpts]
In early 2009 there was an outcry in Malaysia after three children born to an Indian Hindu couple were converted to Islam by the father without the mother's consent after he converted to Islam. At that time, the Cabinet discussed the case and decided that the children of an estranged couple should remain in the "common religion of the parents at the time of their marriage." In Malaysia, Cabinet decisions are essentially unwritten laws that civil servants are obliged to implement.
Despite the April 2009 Cabinet decision, Islamic officials have continued to convert minors at the request of one parent, without the consent of the other. For example, in April 2013 an estranged husband, who converted from Hinduism to Islam in prison, secretly took his two children aged 5 and 8 to an Islamic Centre where they were officially converted to Islam and given Islamic names. When their Hindu mother sought redress she was told that because her children were now Muslims she would have to go through the Sharia courts. Believing that to be futile and possibly even dangerous, in early June she opted instead to lodge a complaint with the police. This case triggered a fresh outcry when it was exposed in the media. [Note: in Islam, the Islamic State determines and manages a person's religion; it is not a matter of personal freedom.]
Because the bill bypassed the Cabinet it was introduced into Parliament without any scrutiny from the Cabinet's non-Muslim members, leaving non-Muslim MPs feeling betrayed and marginalized. Malaysia is 50 percent ethnic Malay and 60 percent Muslim, but a significant proportion of those Muslims would be nominal or secular. The government was wrong if it thought it could get passage of this bill by stealth, for the bill has caused an outcry, particularly amongst Malaysia's non-Muslims. Despite this, the government is standing firm. On 1 July Deputy Prime Minister Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin insisted that the bill would proceed despite its being contrary to the April 2009 Cabinet decision, maintaining it is based on the Constitution, court precedents and present realities.
The Malaysian Chinese Association (MCA) has slammed the "stealthy" tabling of the bill. As MCA vice president Gan Ping Sieu notes, "It contains controversial provisions that affect the constitutional and religious rights of the non-Muslim. This will seriously and irredeemably affect the religious harmony and national unity of our country." According to the Malaysian Bar Council President, Christopher Leong, the unilateral conversion of minors is unconstitutional. Roman Catholic Bishop Paul Tan Chee Ing comments: "I understand this amendment contravenes a decision by the Cabinet announced on 23 April, 2009, that a single parent cannot convert a minor. If so, this would not be the first time that the Cabinet is overridden by civil service functionaries -- the main drivers of creeping Islamization in this country."
Friday July 12, 2013, 2:49 am
meanwhile back at the ranch
Saudi princess accused of enslaving maids in Calif. home
Meshael Alayban, who was arrested July 9, 2013 in Irvine, Calif., for allegedly holding a domestic servant against her will.
The victim, a 30-year-old maid from Kenya, and four other women from the Philippines, were allegedly being held by Saudi national Meshael Alayban, who is accused of stealing their passports and work contracts and forcing them to work long hours with little pay, according to Lt. Julia Engen of the Irvine Police Department.
but I guess that's ok - after all how can we show tolerance if we don't accept slavery
worst case scenario --- she is sent home to receive a standing ovation from the Sauds
Friday July 12, 2013, 6:23 am
just for the "delusionists" as they have been rightly called...... A chance for those from the ranks of the uninformed to improve their knowledge
Friday July 12, 2013, 2:18 pm
To those who say this is spreading hatred, please consider this.
Was it hatred for people who understood and tried to spread the word about what the Nazi’s plans were for the Western world?
Hopefully your answer is no. The people that did see the writing on the wall and tried to tell people to save them did the right thing, and often did so at their own peril.
If you do think it was hatred to warn others, do you think it was okay for Nazi ideology to approve of and execute plans to kill millions of Jews, Roma, homosexuals, Christians, the crippled, the mentally impaired, the Partisan resistance?
Was it okay that Nazis enslaved populations of “racially inferior” Poles and Slavs to help the Nazi war machine?
Because Hitler said he was going to do it, and do it he did.
Do you know that Islam calls for the deaths of people who are not monotheistic and won’t pay “protection money” called Jizya and agree to submit to numerous humiliating laws as second class citizens?
That means atheists, agnostics, socialists, Sikhs, Baha’i, Buddhists, Hindus, Zoroastrians, Rastafarians, Native American Indians, etc.
Are you on that list? Is it okay that the majority of the world’s Islamic leaders say that their plans are to establish Global Sharia and kill these people?
Do you know that you, female or male, could be kidnapped and taken as a sex slave according to Islam? Do you know that millions of people are NOW slaves as well as working and beaten slaves to Muslims? Because Muhammad did it, and he was the “perfect man, it is perfectly acceptable to Islam.”
We are just beginning to touch on the truly heinous precepts of Islamic ideology that are PRESENTLY being perpetrated. If someone who thought your daughter should be a sex slave or steal all her belongings, stone, kidnap, rape, forced to convert, would that be okay with you?
If Islamists were coming to do that to your child would it be “hatred” to warn you?
Islam is a religion with an inseparable political totalitarian, supremacist ideology.
Islamists are making huge inroads in the West, mostly via the Saudis and the Muslim Brotherhood into politics, in litigious warfare, the media, rewriting-whitewashing Islamic history in history books from grade school through university, rewriting security, military and law enforcement agencies in order to delete any reference to Islam and Jihad? Is this okay?
This is an ideology/religion that tells its followers to “Smile at non-Muslims, but hate them in your heart.”
We are conditioned to thing it is WRONG to learn about other religions and ideology and call attention to when they are out to destroy or subjugate others.
Please remember also that Islam means “submission” and not “peace.”
And those are Islam’s plans, what they are working very hard on now: to make everyone, including you, submit to Islam, whether by force or by Stealth Jihad.
Maybe they won’t accomplish it in your lifetime, but at this rate, by your children’s generation, they very likely will.
To tell you this information is not hatred. The hatred and contempt, because that’s what Islam has for non-Muslims is coming from their “holy” books and leaders. Just as the hatred of the Nazis did not come from those who tried to warn others about the oncoming perils, but from Nazism and its adherents themselves.
You have a responsibility to learn, to hear from Islamic clerics mouths themselves, to read what the Qur’an says. You are being warned.
It doesn’t mean that all Muslims are like this. Many Muslims don’t even know what the Qur’an says. Many Muslims are good people, and they refuse to participate in this war on the Kufar. Just like there were Germans who worked against the Nazis.
About “hate sites”:
One can find hate sites from the KKK, Neo-Nazi groups, and the most plentiful hate sites are the Islamist ones.
These REAL hate sites tell their adherents how to make bombs, how to kill the most people in the most efficient manner. These hate sites tell their readers that they MUST go out and humiliate, rob, demonize, injure, and kill the “others.”
These hate sites tell their followers that they must hate.
The Fort Hood massacre happened because the good doctor watched and listened to hate messages from Islamists. Jihadists all over the world have access to tens of thousands of hate sites telling them to kill. THESE are hate sites.
Tommy’s article is not. It is a warning of what is coming. It is a clarion call to find out what plans are for you and yours. It is an opportunity to take advantage to learn what Islam is really about, not from the people who smile at you and hate you in their hearts, who lie, because Islam says it is righteous to deceive non-Muslims.
You have the opportunity to find out now, but you can behave ignorantly and self-righteously, but you will have no one to blame for the disaster that you ignored.
Tens of millions of Egyptians KNOW what it was like living under the oppression of the Muslim Brotherhood and Shari’a. They said NO with their mouths, hearts and even lives.
Friday July 12, 2013, 2:32 pm
Is the misleading headline intended to suck readers in and then shock them? I prefer honest to disingenuous. None of the religions of Abraham or Mohammad could be considered peaceful and tolerant; Not if you actually read their religious tomes. At the same time condemning or judging all followers of a religion for the actions of some gets us nowhere.
Friday July 12, 2013, 3:40 pm
Oh, you mean like all the Islamic leaders who tell the uneducated, good-willed, naive people in the West that Islam means "peace," when they know that Islam means "Submission"? That kind of duping?
Friday July 12, 2013, 5:57 pm
Amazingly, although I am not surprised, my thoughts were deliberately misconstrued and objectively emasculated. As a lifelong atheist ( I am in my late eighties) I am no apologist for Islam nor any other misguided religion. My analogous comparison that there was a similarity for apostasy in Islam and some Christian sects having end the same results is borne out by factual accounts . Apostasy in Islam in SOME places can mean excommunication, banishment or even execution. Quite often the first two are practised in the Fundamentalist religions, and too often this has led to the excommunicates and banished being the victims of suicide, the end result, to my mind, is very similar. "Deserters" from Scientology, S Baptists, Mormons, Brethren, Jehovah's Witness, readily spring to mind. The Catholic Church is unsparing in its own particular revengeful attitudes. Atheists of course do not have a course of actions for those who convert but they do understand why and pity them.
So do not place thoughts in my head that never resided there. I have no time for religious beliefs but do not have hatred for those who digress, as long as they don't impose those beliefs upon me and mine, and I would prefer that they didn't do it to any young children so that their particular doctrine has a continuous cycle .
Sunday September 1, 2013, 11:21 am
Please educate yourself about Islam before slandering the entire religion. Islam is a religion that teaches peace. The Qur'an gives rights to many people, especially women, that were not given prior. Although there are people who pervert Islam into something of hate, and there are extremists out there, this is the case in every single religion. It's the same with Christianity, with Judaism. So please educate yourselves instead of blindly hating every single Muslim, just because of what a few people have done.