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Video: WATCH: Hyper-Pro-Gun Activist's Argument Gets Destroyed By Smart Lady's Calm Decency


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JL
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I LOL'd when he suggests that equipping teachers (who, apparently, are all bestowed with ninja-style reflexes as part of their inherent genetic make-up) with guns is an actual, realistic, rational solution to gun violence. What's your favorite part?



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Dalia H. (1273)
Sunday January 6, 2013, 7:48 pm
Noted, watched, and laughed. Thank You so much for sharing with Us!
HAVE A VERY BLESSED NIGHT AND WEEK AHEAD EVERYBODY!!!!
Much Love, Light, and Peace
B.D♥
 

Heidi Aubrey (16)
Sunday January 6, 2013, 8:04 pm
I watched and it was amazing how the Pro-Gun activist's logic fell apart in his face.
 

John B. (215)
Sunday January 6, 2013, 8:29 pm
Wickedly funny. The guy made no sense what so ever. "ZOOMBY free zone"????,. Where in the world did that come from? Viewed and noted.
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (272)
Sunday January 6, 2013, 8:34 pm
LOL
 

JL A. (274)
Sunday January 6, 2013, 8:41 pm
You cannot currently send a star to John because you have done so within the last week.
Sometimes we have to see it as it is and laugh--otherwise the convulsions will be from tears because it is so sad that people actually believe what they say.
 

Lynn Squance (224)
Sunday January 6, 2013, 11:55 pm
That guy is sdo far up shit creek without a paddle that he doesn't even know where he is! LOL he is an idiot!

I live in Canada where there is gun control. And I like it that way.

About 1987, I went south through Alberta on holidays and entered the US north of Browning, Montana. I was met at the border by a border patrol officer with his gun out of his holster and pointed at me. I was alone in my car and quite frankly scared. Maybe there was something going on in the area, I don't know. Did I feel guilty about something --- NO! But I was scared as I looked down the barrel of that gun.

I believe that the right to bear arms was meant for a different time and different circumstances. I would like to see the second amendment cancelled, but that is unreasonable given the long tradition of gun ownership. But I do think that stiffer gun control laws and banning of certain weapons is necessary.
 

JL A. (274)
Monday January 7, 2013, 7:53 am
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Theodore Shayne (56)
Monday January 7, 2013, 10:56 am
Noted
 

Emma S. (217)
Monday January 7, 2013, 11:28 am
It seems that you can say any stupid, crass, or inhumane thing, just as long as you preface it with, 'I believe in a free economy...'. Thanks for showing us this, JL.
 

JL A. (274)
Monday January 7, 2013, 12:29 pm
Sad but true Emma. You are welcome.
 

l r. (0)
Monday January 7, 2013, 1:48 pm
Even if we do mandatory background checks and begin testing for mental illness, once a person obtains an assault weapon, that person may develop mental problems down the line OR commit their first murder despite no prior criminal history, There is no need for ANYONE to own an assault rifle unless you are in the military. We may never be able to overturn the right for anyone to own guns but at least lets make it harder to commit mass murders.
 

Isabelle J. (87)
Monday January 7, 2013, 1:52 pm
What a moron ! LOL
 

Allan Yorkowitz (457)
Monday January 7, 2013, 2:27 pm
and there are millions who believe this insane belief - now that's scary...
 

Sheila D. (24)
Monday January 7, 2013, 2:32 pm
He's so focused on everyone having guns he can't see that most people have no interest in carrying a weapon. Even if everyone had a gun, most couldn't react quickly enough to make any difference, as in the case with the National Guardmen, who were actually trained to react. No matter what, no one outside the military or police should have assault weapons.
 

Dianna M. (13)
Monday January 7, 2013, 2:38 pm
My rebuttal question to the statement that all you need is one armed teacher to take out the shooter is, What if that teacher missed? After all--do hunters always hit the deer/pheasant/grouse/whatever they've aimed at? And there's always the possibility of hitting something you hadn't meant to.

Or are you trying to tell me Dick Cheney was aiming at that lawyer?

Because, you see, then that teacher has to live with the knowledge that a child died by his/her shoot.
 

Lynn Squance (224)
Monday January 7, 2013, 2:50 pm
Further to my earlier post, if guns were regulated like cars, letís compare:
http://www.politicsplus.org/blog/2012/12/page/2/


1) Title and tag at each point of sale;
2) Driver training vs Gun training;
3) Written test;
4) Practical test;
5) Health requirements (including mental health fitness);
6) Liability insurance on each vehicle vs each gun;
7) Renewals and inspections at intervals.

There is more potential carnage from guns, yet the US seems to consider them like toys. For that matter, some toys seem to garner more oversight /regulation for choking hazards, paint etc.than do guns.

When it comes to weapons, IMO the US has its priorities screwed up big time.

Very reasonable regulations and in my estimation, it does not contradict the constitution. Although I am sure that some idiot will say it does because it puts conditions on the right to bear arms.

The 2nd amendment:
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
 

JL A. (274)
Monday January 7, 2013, 5:23 pm
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Excellent comparisons worth considering by all Lynn! You cannot currently send a star to Lynn because you have done so within the last week.
 

Sheri Schongold (6)
Monday January 7, 2013, 6:22 pm
DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Kenneth L. (321)
Monday January 7, 2013, 7:16 pm
This guy's logic always ends up in the same place----guns for all the 'good people' everywhere---so you can't just put them in schools, you then have to put them everywhere else too to follow the same logic, every nook and cranny and space in the U.S., carry in cars, trucks, bicycles (you never know when a crazy person is going to attack you! etc.
There comes a time in an argument when a person sometimes is just rationalizing everything they say to make themselves right and the other person wrong. No longer interested in what is right, just making themselves right.
 

JL A. (274)
Monday January 7, 2013, 7:22 pm
Wonderful observation on the dynamics of this argument's evolution Kenneth! Green star headed your way.
 

greenplanet e. (157)
Monday January 7, 2013, 7:25 pm
"One shot" may also kill an innocent. Teachers aren't ninjas!
 

greenplanet e. (157)
Monday January 7, 2013, 7:32 pm
I like the tall guy -- "if guns don't kill people why do we need guns?" (or words to that effect). Yes, people with guns kill people.
 

JL A. (274)
Monday January 7, 2013, 8:08 pm
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Julie W. (20)
Monday January 7, 2013, 8:29 pm
I wish there was a transcript of this - I couldn't hear what they were saying.

But I am glad there is an ongoing converstion on this topic - it's not gonna go away this time!
 

JL A. (274)
Monday January 7, 2013, 8:43 pm
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Gloria H. (88)
Monday January 7, 2013, 8:49 pm
He has nothing to worry about...no self respecting zombie would want to eat this guys brains.
 

Julia R. (283)
Monday January 7, 2013, 10:57 pm
This video is so good at capturing the way these really pro-gun enthusiasts think! But in the end it always falls back on a hallow argument as they consistently assert that guns are the solution, somehow, even if you have a trillion guns out there- that the good and innocent people will always benefit! Well, this manís facetious argument soon unravels as this calm, intelligent lady and the tall gentleman show when people challenge these adament "pro-gun no reasonable gun control peopleĒ on how ridiculous their assertions that guns make the world safer (no matter what the real statistics show that good, law abiding, and innocent people are mostly the ones getting killed by guns!) so their distorted view flies in the face of reality.

Very good point made by Dianna M. about teachers being armed with guns at schools. What if they miss and hit a child instead! When there is so much panic and chaos during a situation such as what happened at Sandy Hook Elementary, that is likely to happen. And what about the time it would take to get the gun and actually react? They would have to keep the guns locked up, of course, or you might have a student accidently hurt another child or teacher! Of course, these gun fanatics just canít bring themselves to say that the best solution which will really save peopleís lives is closing the gun show loophole, banning assault weapons, and high capacity magazines. Because that just makes real sense!
 

Kenneth L. (321)
Tuesday January 8, 2013, 1:47 am
As in the video that someone posted a few days ago of a Diane Sawyer special that showed how most armed people flub it big time when put in a real situation with a shooter, and why even cops need constant training, as if teachers are going to be steel-nerved and train constantly like cops to be effective. Plus the shooter just has to wear a bullet proof vest and that reduces your chances of getting a good hit even more.
The guy in this video has a pretty constantly worried look----one eyebrow is glued upwards.all the time.

The tall guy made some good points, nuclear weapons 'don't kill people' lol! and why shouldn't everyone have Sarin gas in their home lol, and if guns don't kill people then why have guns?
 

JL A. (274)
Tuesday January 8, 2013, 7:45 am
Excellent summary Julia! Green star headed your way. Good points Kenneth (unfortunately I can't send you another star so soon).
 

James Maynard (64)
Tuesday January 8, 2013, 11:58 am
In the time a person would take to retrieve a secured
weapon, the gunman could easily shoot them and
then take their gun as well - further arming the
perpetrator. No logic.there.
Great comments from a number of people here.
 

Lois Jordan (55)
Tuesday January 8, 2013, 2:26 pm
Noted. Thanks, J.L. This conversation proves that "gun promoters" only have their talking points to stand on. When asked legitimate questions, they become baffled. This is why the NRA issues "statements" and doesn't like discussion. They literally have no leg to stand on when it comes to defending guns. Did I ever think I'd live to see the day when the problem of gun violence was answered with, "we just need more guns"....? Horrifying. Well, although I need to put my glasses on to see beyond my nose, it seems like the NRA has now gone "all in" with their rhetoric. So, now's our chance to not end this discussion and let it die....like it's done so many, many times before. Now, is our turn to ratchet up the conversation and press forward with legislation, and adequate funding to insure laws and regulations are followed.

My fmr. Congresswoman, Gabby Giffords and her husband have joined with a 500-member group of mayors across America to press for this legislation. Today marks the 2nd anniversary of the horrible shootings here in Tucson, that killed 6 people and injured 13 others. I've pledged to speak out against guns, and do everything I possibly can regarding gun control, because if I don't speak out, I'm complicit in the next terrible tragedy that happens.
 

Aurea Walker (175)
Tuesday January 8, 2013, 2:51 pm
My goodness, this "good" gun loving guy really has shown his arse to the world! His remark about the teacher getting the gun out of the safe and be able to shoot someone is too stupid for words! Fool it takes a minimum of 30 seconds or several minutes to react get the gun and THEN SHOOT the armed man? Yeah right, like the shooter is going to wait on you to get your gun. Shortly after the Sandy Hook tragedy an armed man entered a police station and shot and killed 2 armed officers inside the police station. And a police station is a shoot 1st and ask questions later kind of group. We must DEMAND THAT ASSAULT RIFLES are not needed anywhere but in the front lines of war! And yes I am also anti war, but we humans are too stupid to stop them.
 

greenplanet e. (157)
Tuesday January 8, 2013, 2:59 pm
I agree, the gun advocate guy made no sense when he suggested a teacher could go to the "safe", presumably unlock the safe, get the gun, load the gun or whatever you need to do, etc etc, if an armed person came into the classroom. As if someone with a gun was going to patiently wait to be shot by the teacher, if the teacher could even manage not to misfire etc etc. And maybe a teacher just wouldn't want to shoot someone, according to their values. We need regulations and other measures to prevent gun tragedies.

The gun lobby thing has zero logic.
 

JL A. (274)
Tuesday January 8, 2013, 3:05 pm
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Stars elsewhere for phenomenal comments where I could!
 

Sue D. (156)
Tuesday January 8, 2013, 3:42 pm
SO many great comments here! This is a topic that needs to be addressed - and this video, along with comments is one way to put our thoughts out there. This calm and rational interviewer allowed this fanatic to make a fool of himself and didn't have to even try. Perfect questions put to him and he honestly could not come up with a reasonable, let alone, intelligent answer. Just goes to show how fanatics can never really support their extreme positions because they use no logic or common sense.
 

JL A. (274)
Tuesday January 8, 2013, 4:20 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Sue because you have done so within the last week.
 

Lois Jordan (55)
Tuesday January 8, 2013, 5:11 pm
The group Gabby Giffords is involved with is DemandAPlan.org.
 

JL A. (274)
Tuesday January 8, 2013, 5:23 pm
Thanks Lois.
 

Sylvie Bermannova (39)
Tuesday January 8, 2013, 11:56 pm
How did possession of a weapon become part of the U.S. Constitution in the first place? Can somebody clarify that? Since it resembles the Wild West, the kind of violent mentality, I am afraid.

While it can be argued that the decent have a right for self-defense, especially in a climate that makes them fear for their safety, the first thing that comes to mind is that their basic right should be to live in a safe environment, with safety being ensured by the authorities. What is a case in point is somebody taking the law into their hands in order to redress their actual or imagined grievances because they feel the law has failed to serve justice. Clearly, there is something amiss here.

While there are many forms of violence (in terms of verbal or physical attacks), without any of them being truly condonable, a gun is an intrinsically deadly instrument, so, if safety and peace is the point, people cannot be told they are free to possess it, while really good people do not want to lay their hands on a thing that may cause death to another living being -- and never should they feel they must.

When you allow people to be armed and even go as far as to make it a constitutional right, for whatever reason, both the good and the bad can acquire it. It may even turn into an arms race: If somebody advocates the notion that teachers, e.g., should have the right to be armed, justifying it by the need to protect themselves and/or students from a potential attack of a brute, somebody else is likely, if not sure, to counter that they too must protect themselves, so why they should be deprived of the very same. So it seems that the prevalence of lenience for possession of guns and accessibility to them actually creates a threatful and fearful atmosphere in society. When you see the result of such a policy--common shootings at schools, e.g., and many innocent victims--, you must conclude that it looks like a vicious circle rather than a real solution to the safety issue.

This certainly speaks for stricter laws, law enforcement, and gun control, thus making it hard, if not impossible, for most people to get a gun. More needs to be done for prevention. This is, at least, my humble opinion.
 

Sylvie Bermannova (39)
Wednesday January 9, 2013, 12:13 am
In addition, it is obviously of critical importance to solve this matter. There is some hope in seeing that it is attracting attention and is being discussed (even though one may wonder how this could be otherwise with a number of tragedies that preceded this) -- it will look even better if some action follows. May the situation improve eventually!
 

Patricia H. (468)
Wednesday January 9, 2013, 8:38 am
thanks for sharing, noted
 

Michael M. (58)
Wednesday January 9, 2013, 11:40 am
THe pictured interviewee clearly is familiar to those who studied and have experience with alcoholism. The presentation is unmistakable.

For those of us who know that people kill people, a wonderful statistic is that gun ownership is associated with 3 times the likelihood of dying by gun violence. Since I am not a partisan of continued human proliferation (after all, people kill people) you may find my adjectives offensive.

Perhaps the idea of killing for sport is an area where antigun advocates could pay more attention. The denial of consciousness or ability to feel pain, or desolation (clearly shown by responses of many social or bonded animals) in other animals may well be a gateway to such denial by those like the subject, who certainly feels that his definition of bad, although it likely differs in part from any other person or being on earth, is valid.

Revenge is a common motive for violence.
Possession leads to expansion of that motive to cover far greater numbers of others.

Thank you, Kenneth L., for several insightful comments.
 

Karen R. (87)
Wednesday January 9, 2013, 1:36 pm
fool! bless that woman for her patience
 

Rosary G. (3)
Wednesday January 9, 2013, 1:49 pm

What a MORON!!!

I couldn't even finish watching the video. Un-freaking-believable.
 

Kit B. (277)
Wednesday January 9, 2013, 1:57 pm

This guy is so over the top that he makes no sense. Americans have long forgotten that the second amendment is meant for a militia, not that any jack ass that wants a gun should have one. I saw a short clip of Alex Jones on Piers Morgan - now that was indicative of someone who should not have a gun within 100 yards of his hand.

I once taught CHL classes, I quickly learned just how little people that qualify for the right to carry a concealed gun, know about guns. That is really scary. They don't know how to clean a gun, most can not load the gun without help and they don't fully understand the different safety mechanisms on each type of gun. That's like sending a 6 year old to high school because he knows the alphabet - but not how to read.

If we decided to force all teachers to have a gun in the classroom - where is that gun kept? How quickly can he/she get to that gun should a crazy walk into that classroom? How does anyone, even with training know how that teacher or principal will react to a gun man? Why didn't those who had guns at many of the mass shooting in the past shoot the gunman? Shock, reaction time, and most important - a clean shot that will not accidentally kill more civilians. The important issues are sidelined for the quick and dirty answers.

Violent movies and video games do not make people prone to violence, this has now been studied for years. Though it does tend to make children less involved with school work. The mentally healthy viewing audience does know the difference between entertainment and reality.

As for gun shows - if you have never been then go to one, watch how easy it is to obtain any weapon your heart might desire. No ID nothing - most are unrecorded cash transactions.
 

JL A. (274)
Wednesday January 9, 2013, 2:24 pm
Marvelous comments! Stars headed where I can but, unfortunately:
You cannot currently send a star to Kit because you have done so within the last week.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday January 10, 2013, 3:50 am
True Kit Cheers JLA.
I would have told him to shut up
 

Mike m. (9)
Thursday January 10, 2013, 12:00 pm
I'm an ex-NRA supporter. I think I'm still kinda neutral on this issue in some ways. Am I opposed to the NRA idea of an armed guard in schools? Not really. I think it would be a good place for ex-cops or War Vets to get employed in something beneficial. (Chime in Tea Party Whining "whooooo will PAYYYY for it????"). Then again many TPartiers are NRAs too. Would I mind a trained Marine from the Iraq War defending my school? No chance in hell. BUT. We still need to get some common-sense thinking about gun ownership. Some self-styled "conservatives" want to take the ballot away from convicted felons, while giving them the "right" to own .50 caliber machine guns. (Consistency? Really?) Of course the conservs are deflecting like crazy...violent videogames? Really? Mental health? Well, you have a point there, but with mental health issues, I hear crickets on increasing funding. (Cue up Tea Party whining... Whoooo will PAYYYY for it????" Sheesh.
 

Jaime A. (32)
Thursday January 10, 2013, 1:46 pm
Noted, thanks.
 

JL A. (274)
Thursday January 10, 2013, 9:45 pm
You are welcome Jaime.
 
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