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Next Stage for Gay Rights: Conservative Amnesia


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JL
- 606 days ago - nymag.com
Republican strategist Rick Wilson is already skipping ahead to the pretend-none-of-this-ever-happened stage, predicting that a favorable legal opinion will stop the nefarious Democratic claim that Republicans are somehow opposed to gay rights



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JL A. (272)
Thursday March 28, 2013, 8:03 pm
Quote from the excellent copywritten article at the site:

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It is telling — and, on the whole, a happy development — that Republicans now feel compelled to deny that they have ever actually held straightforwardly anti-gay views. As Jeffrey Toobin notes, the most dramatic moment of yesterday’s Supreme Court arguments occurred when the conservative side was abruptly reminded that anti-gay animus was in fact a motive behind DOMA:

About midway through the argument, Paul Clement, who was representing the House Republicans and defending DOMA, was cruising along. He was portraying DOMA as almost a kind of housekeeping measure, designed to keep federal law consistent across all fifty states. As Clement told it, there was almost no ideological content to the law at all.

Then Justice Elena Kagan swiftly and elegantly lowered the boom on him. She said, “Well, is what happened in 1996—and I’m going to quote from the House Report here—is that ‘Congress decided … to express moral disapproval of homosexuality.’”

Of course nobody would have even thought to deny this in 1996. In 1998, the GOP Senate blocked a Clinton appointee for an ambassadorship because he was gay. Of course they disapproved of homosexuality."
 

Past Member (0)
Friday March 29, 2013, 6:13 am
Noted thanks
 

John B. (158)
Friday March 29, 2013, 7:51 am
Thanks J.L. for posting the link to the excellent article by Mr. Chait. Mr. Wilson's statement “It removes the issue from the Democratic playbook of fundraising scare tactics and political demagoguery and breaks their usual messaging dynamic of, ‘You’re a beleaguered minority; let us protect you from the evil GOP — oh, and here’s your absentee ballot,’” is absolutely ridiculous! The GOP might think that people will forget their bigotry and disenfranchisement attempts but that isn't going to happen and they will see that in the 2014 and 2016 elections. Read and noted
 

JL A. (272)
Friday March 29, 2013, 7:55 am
You are welcome Carol and John. I agree John.
 

Kit B. (276)
Friday March 29, 2013, 9:36 am

During the arguments before the Supreme Court, a point was made by Scalia that the only reason for DOMA was to protect the long cherished sanctity of marriage and that no one was responding to this issue from any form of gay hate, fear or homophobia. Last night Jon Stewart took on a little walk down (recorded) history lane. Way back Lo those many years to 1996, and the speeches given on the floor about why we needed DOMA. Pontificating Congressmen blasting the very idea of THOSE people considering themselves equal to the same rights as normal people. Remember that since the introduction of Radio and Television, every thing one has said in any public forum is recorded word for word and kept documented for history. Social amnesia will not save the Republicans nor any equally biased democrat safe from their own words.
 

Gene Jacobson (256)
Friday March 29, 2013, 10:46 am
The people, and the party, responsible for DOMA and the bigotry of the past, well, all of recorded history, but let's just limit it to the last 120 years, are the conservatives of the world. I hesitate to say world because much of the world is FAR ahead of us on this issue, though much is not as well. Even so, to have the gall to take this issue and already make it into a hateful campaign ad is just beyond the pale. But perfectly typical of republican politics. You're right, John. No one's going to forget, try as the right may IF the Court rules the way people are assuming - and that is still a big IF to me - what the republicans will say if the Court does not do what they are presuming should make for hysterical fodder for Jon Stewart and so the rest of us. Either way actually.
 

Kit B. (276)
Friday March 29, 2013, 11:08 am

Since recorded history we know that for most of human history, and there is no reason not to assume before that, sex to sex partnerships have long been considered a norm. We have, through scientific research observed, that 450 species of mammals do engaged in same sex partnerships to the point of orgasm. Historically, we must note that what is now labeled as homosexuality, is by far as normal as hetero sexuality.
 

JL A. (272)
Friday March 29, 2013, 12:19 pm
Excellent comments and discourse! You cannot currently send a star to Kit because you have done so within the last day.You cannot currently send a star to Gene because you have done so within the last day.
 

EDWARD G. MRKVICKA (0)
Friday March 29, 2013, 6:42 pm
read and noted on 3-29-13 when is all this bashing gonna stop we all are human beings in the eyes of the world we all bleed the same color, share feelings and everything else just need to learn to accept that everyone is their own person so we should not judge or make rude comments.
 

Esther Z. (96)
Friday March 29, 2013, 10:09 pm
The Republicans are the great revisionists of the 21st century, and also don't forget, just because they said it doesn't mean it was "intended as a factual statement."!
Regardless of their revisionary talents and problems with their short term memory, I can promise you that a large percentage of the LGBTQ community wont forget how they were treated, maligned, accused of horrible and disgusting behaviors AND denied their civil rights. Nope, we wont forget!
As for research on human sexuality, don't forget the Kinsey Scale, where most normal sexual behavior, or orientation, falls between the scale of 0-6. Zero being 100% heterosexual and six being 100% homosexual. Most people fall in- between and are considered part of the am-bisexual or bisexual group; meaning sexuality can be fluid and covers a wide spectrum depending on our innate preferences, experiences and environment. Since most extreme right Repugs have a hard time understanding or even accepting science, or most scientific research, I wouldn't be surprised if the Kinsey scale was rejected, and considered just another liberal agenda to destroy the "fabric of society'!
 

JL A. (272)
Friday March 29, 2013, 10:17 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Esther because you have done so within the last day.
 

BMutiny TheCorporationsEvil (467)
Friday March 29, 2013, 10:56 pm
Well, this is SORTA related to the GOP "Amnesia" -

The Roman Catholic Hierarchy will just have to adjust somehow to a different world - they are LOSING, in spite of putting TONS OF MONEY from parishioners' collection plates {that the parishioners thought were going to "Charity"}, into all the NO-Gay-Marriage efforts and propaganda. Threatening Nuns that did real Charity work, rather than put their efforts into anti-Gay-marriage. THREATENING EVERYBODY who believes in their nonsense, with HELLFIRE FOR ETERNITY. {Wonder why THAT made no impression at all!}
Threatening politicians who voted for Equality... didn't seem to scare them like it should have.
The Roman Catholic Hierarchy is just a LAUGHINGSTOCK now - and there is talk of an actual SCHISM in the Church, new Pope or not, people are still LEAVING in droves... all over the world...
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Yeah, the Roman Catholic Church will probably ALSO try to make us FORGET all their Fire-and-Brimstone anti-Gay messages DURING THIS LAST ELECTION CAMPAIGN -

the MORMONS are ALREADY quickly back-pedaling on Homosexuality and have set up a "Gay-friendly" website? {I haven't actually gone there.}

Something tells me that Change, which is already happening REALLY FAST, will reach AVALANCHE PROPORTIONS in the next couple years - Bigots will want to HIDE, just like Racists now try to HIDE at least in their Public Statements!
And this Repukelican tactic is a huge sign of this...

 

Anna Undebeck (205)
Saturday March 30, 2013, 12:51 am
Noted! thank you JL!
 

JL A. (272)
Saturday March 30, 2013, 6:12 am
You are welcome Anna!
 

Allan Yorkowitz (447)
Sunday March 31, 2013, 3:18 pm
I would like to see GOP progression from 1996!
 

JL A. (272)
Sunday March 31, 2013, 4:25 pm
The majority of Americans of each political self-definition also would like to see them progress a lot further Allan. You cannot currently send a star to Allan because you have done so within the last day.
 

Robert O. (12)
Monday April 1, 2013, 11:33 am
One of the biggest problems with conservatives is they have selective memory and remember only that which is to their benefit or convenience. That's just par for their selfish, holier than thou course. Thanks JL.
 

Paul Clark (1)
Tuesday April 2, 2013, 1:23 pm
The pro SSM lobby claim that "love" is all that matters, well, in that case, where will it end, because in future, how can someone who wants to marry their own brother, sister, mother or father be denied? On what grounds can anyone object to incest if both people involved claim that they "love" each other? I love my dog, so why can't I marry it?
The point I and millions of others are making is this; WHERE IS ALL THIS LEADING TO? If you look back into history you will discover that all the GREAT civilizations were destroyed by homosexuality and the breakdown in society and it looks like the Western world is on that road of SELF DESTRUCTION
This view isn't driven by homophobia or discrimination as LGBT claim; it is driven by all those who say enough is enough. LGBT are guilty of racial discrimination when they accuse anyone who disagrees with them of homophobia. The Gay Labour MP, Mr. Bryant always challenges anyone who objects to the SSM bill, with the question and I quote "would you have voted for the abolition of slavery".....I consider his comparison of slavery with SSM as a racial insult, because what he is really saying is that he believes being black and being homosexual are the same (if you believe in evolution, being black is more normal than being white) ....slavery was a crime against humanity, whereas the SSM bill, if approved, will be a crime inflicted on humanity.
 

JL A. (272)
Tuesday April 2, 2013, 3:11 pm
Thank you for the perfect example of what Mr. Bryant was talking about Paul and why the legislation is needed.
 
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