Wednesday June 3, 2009, 2:47 am
"They hope the breakthrough could aid research into human disease, and the breeding of animals for organ transplants for humans.

It may also enable the development of pigs that are resistant to diseases such as swine flu.

The study appears online in the Journal of Molecular Cell Biology."

Read more at site..

Wednesday June 3, 2009, 1:03 pm
Commendable as this "idea" may seem, it is a sad pity that scientists have NOT caught on to the fact that the human body actually operates on nutrition. When the full spectrum of nutrition is worked with, it has the ability to produce upwards of billions of stem cells within the human body itself. Trouble is, this nutritional method can not be patented and make someone gazillions of dollars.

Why is it that the mighty dollar has to be the deciding factor of whether humans should have the capacity to improve their own health without using toxic chemicals which are not bio-friendly?

We are constantly being brainwashed that to improve ones health we need these toxic drugs etc so we can survive. Properly grown, organically fertilized fruit and vegetables, mostly eaten raw (some vegetables need to be cooked) and eaten within hours of being harvested, can improve the health of practically everyone. The trouble is that no one can make huge amounts of money with this method. If every family were to have their own small plot of ground and grow their own vegies using the compost and possibly worms in their soil without the highly priced non organic or non artificial fertilizers, much of our "dis-ease" would tend to go away. I guess it would do too many people out of work or is it the money that could no longer be made that would be the problem? Folks could use the barter system so that each family would produce more of a different type of vegetable and swap with their neighbors.

Just a thought.

Wednesday June 3, 2009, 2:01 pm
Idiots! Pigs are nothing like humans! SAn even if we share a little DNA it goes to show what a difference a little DNA makes! This is just another disgraceful use of animals! Who are we to say that we can use animals in this way? An animal testing doesn't show the full picture on drug induced side effects! An even if it did work as DaVinci once said, anyone who is willing to be saved by such means isn't worth saving!

Wednesday June 3, 2009, 4:41 pm
Yay Phil Yay. they have spent years telling us that we come from monkeys and now they are trying to tell us that we can be saved by the pigs. It seems that they will go to every end they can to get away from doing the right thing and eating the right things. Leave the poor animals alone. If they want to use animals, how about they try feeding them good food and seeing what a difference it makes in "THEIR" lives. But then, everyone knows that diet is just common sense and has nothing to do with whether one is well or sick. Well, according to the medical profession and the drug companies anyway. Fortunately, there are a lot of medical people now who are turning away from that silly idea and finding that in fact what we eat makes us what we are. That lack of essential nutrition can be disastrous to our wellness. Their greatest opponents are those who make money out of our sicknesses.

Wednesday June 3, 2009, 7:12 pm
Another excuse to use and abuse animals.

Wednesday June 3, 2009, 8:48 pm
I do not agree with any 'research' at the expense of animals.

Thursday June 4, 2009, 2:55 am
Sorry to you all. Wake up the future is here. If you needed a body part and they could give it to you I really think you would take it. Sitting pretty sure you will say a pig is a pig. Man is only finding out how smart a pig really is never mind how important it is to mankind. I am not sure how much you follow the stories but it is going to be saving a lot of people. To the people saying organic Food and nutrition is the way no it does not grow arms or ears or a nose. Don't worry you won't have the money to do it anyway. It will not be for middle or poor people. Do you eat pigs? You eat cows to then. You are responcible for destroying the planet. I think you all need a lesson on what our Gov. is doing. It is not about poor people nor middle class people. They do not want to save sick people only people that are in power. Another thought about nutrition did you ever hear about aireans. Poeple that live on air and just water. It is possible and for a few years at a time. Your idea about food is limited to your own thinking. We do not need to eat meat. I will even go further is you know the food we ate many years ago like suger never made people fate or sick. Never mind every persons body is differnt and they need different things. So what ever you think is right nutrition is right for thast person not everybody. I live on Rice chex, cheese, bread, milk, sugar and peas.I am doing pretty good. Why would you ask about how much a person is worth vs having good medical. Again our Gov. does not care about middle class people. They are trying to limit the population if you are not aware. Somebody said how stupid they are saying things about pigs. We use them wrong and again I will say do you eat pigs? Is that right? Sure eating food right away is good and not every body have farm land and time to farm. T-

Thursday June 4, 2009, 3:16 am
I really think people need to realize they are animals. They kill for fun not like any other animal. Animal abuse if you say that you better not be eating any meat. 75% of all our foods have some form of animal produts in them. Pigs help save one person I think it is worth it. Men are not animals? Do you know what they do to calves? Pigs are killed horrible for food. Man needs to be real if you say something you need to fight all the way. Are you trying to help save pigs help stop killing them for food. Other wise don't say they are good for food and not for stem cell research. Just like doing reasearch on aminals. Do you know how many people would volunteer if they gave alot of money to do a teast on them. Many people that use gas in their cars are destroying the planet. We are not animals we are worse. If you get sick don't go to the doctor go to your garden. It might help but see if it is better them doing research on disease. I know our Gov. is not tying to cure any sickness really. There are dotors that really think they can help people and do. The more you pay the better dotor you can get again it is about the rich not the poor. T

Thursday June 4, 2009, 3:23 am
To Tommy H- I'm not sure the point of your comment but I can say that I can assure you it will not save anyone. If animal testing worked we'd have cured cancer an such years ago. This industry is all about money. You realise that we've been able to cure cancer in mice for 35years yet so called scientists still insist on using them in their 'research'. An this is just one small example. An to your question about eating pigs or cows, I'm a vegan, I have zero animal products come anywhere near me so no I don't. However I do agree about what you say about the government.

Thursday June 4, 2009, 3:31 am
Again to Tommy H-Of course I realise they are animals I'm not stupid! However this makes zero difference! They have the ability to feel pain an suffer an they are not ours to use full stop! An as I said it won't help anyone so therefor is not worth it! An I repeat I'm vegan I don't eat animal products. An yes people are animals! You're not making any sense here, you keep contradicting yourself.

Thursday June 4, 2009, 7:01 pm
They used to make insulin from some part of the pig and I am glad they did , otherwise our only daughter would no longer be with us , some virus that was left after she had the whooping cough , caused the diabetes , she was ten years old at the time . She bore two healthy children and is now the grandma of a beautiful granddaughter .

Friday June 5, 2009, 5:05 am
To Aletta Kraan- I understand completely the way you feel, it would be the same for me, for example I'd rather a stranger die in order for my mother to live etc etc. However I'd like you to read the following:


Weren't lab animals responsible for the discovery of diabetes and development of insulin?

Pro-animal experiment contingencies always cite the development of insulin as support for continued animal testing, asserting that insulin harvested from slaughterhouses saved the lives of many diabetics. This is true. But the use of animals in the search for the cause of diabetes has been overwhelmingly counterproductive.

Diabetes affects in excess of 125 million people worldwide and is a leading cause of blindness, amputation, kidney failure and premature death. Physicians in the late 18th century first linked the disease with characteristic changes in the pancreas seen at autopsy. As this was difficult to reproduce in animals, many scientists disputed the pancreas' role in the disease. When they removed the pancreas from dogs, cats, and pigs, the animals became diabetic. But their symptoms led researchers to conjecture that diabetes was a liver disease, throwing diabetes research off track for decades. In 1922, outraged scientists spoke out against the animal experiments that many were claiming had proven the existence of insulin:

"The production of insulin originated in a wrongly conceived, wrongly conducted, and wrongly interpreted series of [animal] experiments."[14]

They pointed out that human autopsy had in fact shown the pancreas to be the vital organ in diabetes, and that in vitro research had isolated insulin - not animal experiments.

Scientists later modified the in vitro process they had used to isolate insulin, successfully mass-producing pig and cattle insulin reaped in slaughterhouses. This animal-derived insulin indeed saved lives, but not without complications. It also created allergic reactions and exposed patients to serious health risks. Had they recognised these dangers, scientists would have hastened to develop human insulin.

Insulin is only a treatment for diabetes, not a cure. The exact biochemical process through which insulin regulates blood sugar is yet to be discovered. If the funds devoted to studies had gone to human research, would we still have this plague?
RESULT:

Lab animal tests threw diabetes research off track for decades.

Wednesday June 10, 2009, 8:58 am
Phil that is not true..What you have submitted here is just a spin from animal liberation websites..

There has been great strides made in medicine..treatments..and surgery from the research.. for both humans and animals as well..

Wednesday June 10, 2009, 9:05 am
To Dee- Actually this isn't from anything in the slightest bit related to 'animal liberation' it's from The Safer Medicines Campaign formerly The Europeans For Medical Progress who not only have no links to ANY animal rights organisations but is run an supported by countless scientists an people that happen to be meat eaters, not very animal rights eh! An if you'd like to show me evidence to the contrary I'd be happy to read it, do more research an get back to you. Also, would you like to name some of these 'great strides'?

Wednesday June 10, 2009, 9:29 am
It is just as simple to look up the truth as it is to look up propaganda..I won't waste my time searching for your satisfaction and or approval..as you're mind is set on what you choose to believe and feel..

There are those who are against animal testing and it is there right to feel and choose as they do..However.. I think it is pretty safe to say that there is not one among us that have not benefited from this research in one way or another..

Wednesday June 10, 2009, 9:36 am
To Dee- I didn't ask for you to gain my approval or satisfaction I asked you to prove your point. An by your choice to not 'waste' your time seems to show your lack of commitment to your so called truth. But then people do hate to be proved wrong, don't they! If I think I'm right, I'll go to great lengths to prove it, as you can see on here! An again I'll ask you how people have benefited from this research? Not that I expect any reply of course!

Wednesday June 10, 2009, 9:53 am
Well again that is your choice..I don't feel like I have to prove anything to anyone..The facts speak clearly and loudly for themselves..

There is no commitment in this..at least not for me..Unlike you ..I do not have any need to commit myself to convincing anyone of anything..

Again the fact of medicine are there..When you take your pet to a Vet..there are the facts that everything they do or give to your pet came from animal testing..Should someone have even such a simple need to take an aspirin for a headache..again all of the research done in labs are responsible for that..

Dogs today with cancer..now have a drug to help them..You can thank the research done for that..I know I am glad for it..especially having lost a dog to cancer..
Now you can continue to post away and deny those facts all you wish to..But the very simple truth here is facts are facts..You can try to spin them..deny them..even down right lie about them..But that doesn't mean anything..

I think you are the one who hates to be proved wrong..And look don't get me wrong..I wish there were another way for researches to do these things..but until they do this is all there is..and I am for anything that will help those who need it be it an animal or a human..for better medicine..less diseases..and or even hopefully cures for so many diseases..

Medicine has come a long way..with many thanks to those who do the research..

Wednesday June 10, 2009, 10:20 am
Look you're really not helping yourself here, you keep mentioning these fact yet you can't seem to show them..? An I commit myself not to convincing people but to educate them. As people like you clearly need it! An I don't have pets, I'm against that too! But drugs for animals haven't come from testing as such, i.e ridiculous research that basically comes down to torture, but through treatment an observation not through force feeding 50 different doses of a drug to see how toxic it is! An as for aspirin, according to animal experiments it actually fails to be effective in humans! Yet we all know that aspirin won't kill us! So I wonder how many years aspirin was held back from coming on the human market due to animal testing? An I don't try to spin anything! Every point I have made can be backed up with scientific fact, an you believe yours can too I'm assuming so PLEASE present it! As for me hating to be proved wrong actually I beg you to! Because I know you can't do it! An actually there are plenty of other ways to test the effectiveness of medicines an treatments such as invitro testing, cell chip testing, computer modelling, cadaver(spelling?) testing, micro dosing, cell cultures, tissue cultures, organ cultures, synthetic membranes, MRI scanning, Murine Lymph Node Assay (LLNA), these are all accepted forms of testing the safety of products an finding how humans react to new medicines. An you say 'with thanks to those who do the research' like these people care! They are only doing a job that they get paid for! An all, the companies they work for, care about is money! Animal testing gives more data which means they can write more essays for medical journals which means more money! And we're talking about billion dollar companies that spend an average of 11% on research an development yet around 30% on marketing to sell their products! Very compassionate!

Wednesday June 10, 2009, 10:32 am
Sorry Phil..you will just have to go else where and find someone who cares..to continue your silly rant..

Thanks anyway..

Wednesday June 10, 2009, 10:58 am
An here's you saying you are all for the things that people need i.e the advancement of medicine an treatments yet now you say you don't care? Hmmm! This isn't a 'silly rant' this is truth an truth will out! The reason you won't look into this an do your own research is because you fear your findings!

Wednesday June 10, 2009, 11:16 am
I think it was really very clear in what I said and what it meant..but for you I will explain seeing as you didn't "get it"

What "I don't care" about is sitting at my computer and continuing this silly rant of yours..Do you understand now..Not sure how I could make it any clearer..but I am sure you will twist this all around to somehow convince yourself that you are right and I am wrong..lol..Have fun..knock yourself out..

Wednesday June 10, 2009, 12:05 pm
No ranting would be me spouting information that isn't true an all I have said has significant fact to back me up! You clearly have no clue about the subject matter otherwise you would have presented evidence to back up your opinion.

Saturday June 13, 2009, 2:57 am
Gee isn't that a surprise.. turns out Phil W was just a troll..lol..

Phil W. (0)
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Saturday June 13, 2009, 12:57 pm
Internet Trolls, Trolling, What Is a Troll,

Saturday June 13, 2009, 2:50 pm
'On the Internet it's simply too easy to be hateful towards or dismiss someone you don't know, someone who you can't see, someone whose story, despite their bio and writing, is basically a mystery to you.'

I don't hate you, that's a bit strong! I just think you're a little miss guided. An not once have I dismiised you, I've simply asked you to explain your view on the above subject providing evidence on why you came to it, so we could have an adult discussion about it. But you're the one that has been dismissive saying you don't have the time etc in which case I, if I was you, would never dream of presenting a view without the willingness to back it up. An the fact that you have called me a 'troll' on a public forum to try an discredit my views is just plain childish! Lol!

Monday June 15, 2009, 2:45 pm
Gone again..Its a post and troll..
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Monday June 15, 2009, 2:58 pm
I'm sorry since our previous convos have you lost the ability to read? I told you I DO NOT HAVE A PROFILE ON HERE AND THAT IF YOU WANT TO FIND ME GO TO www.myspace.com/combichristrule

Monday June 15, 2009, 3:05 pm
Why on earth would I want to find you..I am hoping you will go away..lol

And you do have a profile here..you just keep hiding it..
Why..I have no idea..but whatever works for you..

Hopefully Care2 will catch up with you eventually..

Monday June 15, 2009, 3:10 pm
I'm not hiding it, or if I am I don't mean to. If there's away then please tell me how to stop it an I'll happily do it. An you say 'why would I want to find you' then why the hell have you tried to find my profile??? An when I say I don't have one on here I mean I've never filled out any info about myself an never pursued one I've just put in my email an made a password so I can comment on peoples' stories. I don't have the time to create a profile.

Monday June 15, 2009, 4:26 pm
Thank you Care2..much appreciated..