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Cry Babies and Sore Losers


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: elections, republicans, tea party, losers, patriotism )

Arielle
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. (0)
Monday November 12, 2012, 8:09 am
Noted/thank you.
 

Jae A. (321)
Monday November 12, 2012, 8:33 am
If this were a liberal/anti-war protest or any other type of mob that had gather with flags upside down the rightwingers would be calling them communist and or antiAmerican radicals. They mock the Navy with their arrogence/bigotry/hate. They are more angry that it was they who helped Obama win ...as their crazy/lies/women and minority hate/misinformation/racism stirred a lot of people to make sure,that no matter what, they got out to vote for Obama ....that wouldn't have otherwise...as well as making sure that the undecided votes went Obama due for the same reasons. They aren;'t nearly as upset that he won as they are that they played a major role in his doing so...now that's not only irony ,that justice.........................................................in my opinion..

Thanks Ariellie S. for sharing this article and the anti-Americans in the picture. Maybe they'll all move to Afganastan or somewhere that someone elses religion can show them a better way to live due to their being so unhappy with things the way the are in America..
 

Jae A. (321)
Monday November 12, 2012, 8:41 am
Is it too soon to say that ...... I told them so ...as to their insaniTea efforts helping Obama more than hindering him :-).....!
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday November 12, 2012, 8:49 am

Ummm, Didn't I hear over and over and yes, over again about how badly Obama would LOSE this election? Somehow once the votes are all in our president is re-elected by a 52% majority. In any math but the Senate that is a mathematical win. Thanks Arielle this is just too fun. Humor may just be the core of the democratic party, we can laugh at ourselves and laugh at those who mock us.

Huh...no Jae it's not too soon...have at it.

From the article:

Smart people can lose. But smart people always learn.

You didn’t lose because you “weren’t conservative enough” or because the country has become full of lazy “takers” who don’t want to earn a living or just want America to “turn in to Europe”.

You didn’t lose because of Hurricane Sandy or because Chris Christie hugged the President on TV – they were both doing their jobs.

You didn’t lose because of a liberal media, liberal college campuses, liberal polls that were “weighted to Democrats” (mostly because they were accurate), or because of “election fraud”… actually, that probably benefited you this time.

No. You lost because your policies, tone, conspiracies, rigid inflexibility and irrational rhetoric helped align enough moderates, swing voters, and minority groups whom otherwise could be persuaded by Republicans, to align with Democrats and a beatable incumbent.

It’s not that you didn’t get your message out, it’s that we all actually heard it and threw up a little in our mouths.
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Ain't that just the truth....
 

Arielle S. (317)
Monday November 12, 2012, 8:50 am
But isn't it nice to see them lose with such grace and dignity?
 

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Monday November 12, 2012, 8:51 am
It just doesnot make any sense to act like cry babies. But it is there lose because the American people have let their voices be heard "We don't need stickin tea party tell us what we can or can not do"

Thanks Arielle :)mamabear
 

Arielle S. (317)
Monday November 12, 2012, 8:52 am
And thanks to Kit for finding the source for this article - showers of extra stars to both of you, Kit and Jae.
 

Just Carole (338)
Monday November 12, 2012, 8:53 am

What a refreshingly honest analysis. (I almost have tears in my eyes.)

I even subscribed to the newsletter.

THANK YOU, ARIELLE!

 

Nancy M. (202)
Monday November 12, 2012, 8:58 am
It is true that "My way or the highway" doesn't work. I guess some of them were forced onto the ghihway.
 

Nancy M. (202)
Monday November 12, 2012, 9:00 am
"You want a government small enough to stay out of corporations and banks but big enough for bedrooms and hospital respirators (see Schiavo, Terri)."

If anyone wants their family member in that condition kept on a respirator, they should pay every penny themselves.
 

TomCat S. (231)
Monday November 12, 2012, 9:03 am
They should have a little cheese. It goes so well with whine.
 

pam w. (191)
Monday November 12, 2012, 9:31 am
Tom....I'll add sour grapes to that little menu....and some well-prepared CROW!
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday November 12, 2012, 9:44 am

Sounds like a well stocked table; crow, with a side of cheese, sour grapes washed down with a screeching whine.
All that's needed a self-satisfied pout!
 

Arielle S. (317)
Monday November 12, 2012, 9:51 am
LOL - not only can I not send you all stars yet, but I can't even let you see how you've got me doubled over with laughter! Many thanks, all!
 

Val R. (254)
Monday November 12, 2012, 9:57 am
Thanks KIt - great comments and article.
 

Sue H. (7)
Monday November 12, 2012, 9:59 am
Pathetic little people need to grow up and start thinking for themselves. Get over it and get on with doing something productive for your country.
 

Nyack Clancy (452)
Monday November 12, 2012, 10:02 am
Sore losers is right- If you cant learn to loose gracefully, don't play.

I think I remember somewhere is grammar school learning about Good Sportsmanship, and accepting defeat.

But that was back in the days where society didn't really encourage bullies, anymore than they encouraged sore loosers.
 

Nancy M. (202)
Monday November 12, 2012, 10:10 am
Gosh Nyack, there are SO MANY things i learned about back in grammar school, middle school, HS, etc. that are just totally LOST from those people.
 

Kathy B. (103)
Monday November 12, 2012, 10:19 am
Is it just me or do I remember putting up with 8 years of 'W' with a heck of a lot more grace than this?
 

Angelika R. (144)
Monday November 12, 2012, 10:32 am
The greatness begins even before the article starts with that simple and wonderful, or simply womderful headline "When liberals vote, liberals win. It's as simple as that." Dig that.

"It’s not that you didn’t get your message out, it’s that we all actually heard it and threw up a little in our mouths."
You can say that again and the very same now goes for anything that McDonald would serve you! Boycott!
Thanks so much Arielle!
 

Dandelion G. (384)
Monday November 12, 2012, 10:43 am
Well stated, thanks for sharing.
 

Robert S. (115)
Monday November 12, 2012, 10:46 am
Your inability to reason, compromise, or let new facts and evidence challenge your predetermined outcomes led millions of moderates to no longer be able to stand on stage with you.

Frankly, you’re embarrassing – more so than a crazy family member at dinner, or having your mom drop you off at a high school dance.

You say stupid shit and look stupid saying it.

You pass amendments to ban flag burning and then hang it upside down and post it on Facebook when you lose.

Yep...he's got them pegged. Thanks Arielle.

If I'm not mistaken...didn't allot of right wing pols and pundits say that that Romney would win by numbers equal to what Obama ended up winning by. And didn't they describe that predicted win as a "LANDSLIDE"?

With Florida's 29 electoral votes, Obama beat former Gov. Mitt Romney 332 to 206 in the Electoral College. That's a pretty significant pounding.

Underscoring just how bad it was, Obama took eight of the nine swing states, losing only North Carolina. As The AP reported, Obama, in addition to Florida, won Ohio, Iowa, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Virginia, Colorado and Nevada. Romney and his running mate Paul Ryan failed even to win their home states, and they had three shots: Massachusetts, Michigan and Wisconsin.

These people should quit their sniveling. They got beat badly even while they cheated. And its not like the vote count was stopped and our guy got awarded the job by the Supreme court or anything...
 

Arielle S. (317)
Monday November 12, 2012, 10:53 am
"If I'm not mistaken...didn't allot of right wing pols and pundits say that that Romney would win by numbers equal to what Obama ended up winning by. And didn't they describe that predicted win as a "LANDSLIDE"?"
"They got beat badly even while they cheated. And its not like the vote count was stopped and our guy got awarded the job by the Supreme court or anything... "

Way to go, Robert! Excellent points! And if our guy had lost, you can bet he wouldn't have cancelled the credit cards and left everybody in the lurch either....
 

Nancy M. (202)
Monday November 12, 2012, 10:54 am
Kathy- we are right about "W", at least early on.
 

Tamara Noforwardsplz (185)
Monday November 12, 2012, 11:41 am
Every person on here deserves thousands of green stars! Arielle, fantastic post! I am still LMAO! There are so many statements made in the article that are so dead on that all of the cry babies will probably cry even harder when they read it. If they dare!
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday November 12, 2012, 11:59 am

"The president was committed; elected on the basis that he was not Romney and Romney was a poopy head and you should vote against Romney.... From Gover Norquist.

That was just too funny to not share.
 

Just Carole (338)
Monday November 12, 2012, 12:10 pm

"Poopy head"??????

(It's been a long time since I heard that phrase!)

ROFLMAO

 

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Monday November 12, 2012, 12:13 pm
Excellent article, thanks Arielle. The Republicans' post-election sense of reality is even more bizarre than that shown during the election. They do not accept defeat well, nor do they want to truly understand the reasons why they lost.... that would make them wrong/mistaken/out of touch. And their maturity level is pretty pathetic. I am still laughing at Grover Norquist's "poopy head" remark and finding humor that secession petitions are now flooding the White House from certain states.

I am reminded of an old Andy Griffith Show rerun I saw the other day where Opie loses a race and is pouting... he was so sure he would win, everyone told him he was such a fast runner. Well, of course, Opie got lectured by Andy and saw the error of his ways. The Republican Party unfortunately does not have a leader, a father figure so to speak, to direct them from the strange path they're taking. If they don't find someone based in reality soon, don't think their party has much of a chance going forward.
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday November 12, 2012, 12:22 pm

I do think that is considered the language of grade school bullies..."poppy head" a grown man, with a Huge axe to grind says poppy head. - Like you Carole....I am... ROTFLMAO

This too just seemed to fit this article:

Romney Never Saw It Coming....


"Mitt Romney says he is a numbers guy, but in the end he got the numbers wrong. His campaign was adamant that public polls in the swing states were mistaken. They claimed the pollsters were over-estimating the number of Democrats who would turn out on Election Day. Romney’s campaign was certain that minorities would not show up for Obama in 2012 the way they did in 2008. “It just defied logic,” said a top aide of the idea that Obama could match, let alone exceed, his performance with minorities from the last election. When anyone raised the idea that public polls were showing a close race, the campaign’s pollster said the poll modeling was flawed and everyone moved on. Internally, the campaign’s own polling—tweaked to represent their view of the electorate, with fewer Democrats—showed a steady uptick for Romney since the first debate. Even on the morning of the election, Romney’s senior advisers weren’t close to hedging. They said he was going to win “decisively.” It seemed like spin, but the Boston Globe reports that a fireworks display was already ordered for the victory. Romney and Ryan thought they were going to win, say aides. “We were optimistic. More than just cautiously optimistic,” says one campaign staffer. When Romney lost, “it was like a death in the family.”

How did the Romney team get it so wrong? According to those involved, it was a mix of believing anecdotes about party enthusiasm and an underestimation of their opponents’ talents. The Romney campaign thought Obama’s base had lost its affection for its candidate. They believed Obama would win only if he won over independent voters. So Romney focused on independents and the economy, which was their key issue. The Republican ground game was focused on winning those voters. “We thought the only way to win was doing well with independents and we were kicking ass with independents,” says a top aide. One senior adviser bet me that if Obama won Ohio, he would donate $1,000 for every point that Romney won independents to my favorite charity. (That would be a $10,000 hit since Romney lost Ohio but won independents by 10 points). In the end, Romney won independents nationally by five points—and it didn’t matter one bit.

Meanwhile, the Romney campaign was openly dismissive of the Obama ground game. Why are they wasting so much money with neighborhood offices, they asked? (In Ohio, for example, Obama had almost 100 more offices than Romney.) In retrospect, the Romney team is in awe and full of praise of the Obama operation. “They spent four years working block by block, person by person to build their coalition,” says a top aide. They now recognize that those offices were created to build personal contacts, the most durable and useful way to gain voters." - *excerpt from an article on Slate.*
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As Bill Clinton said - it's arithmetic!
 

Nancy M. (202)
Monday November 12, 2012, 12:25 pm
WOW, "Poopyhead" what is Romney supposed to do now- Sitck and Stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me?
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday November 12, 2012, 12:25 pm

Yep, those lessons learned from a Community Organizer. - Money verse People face to face, phone calls, hours of volunteer work.

 

Jae A. (321)
Monday November 12, 2012, 12:38 pm
DId I mention ......... Teabagger Klan/Republican Extremist... I TOLD YA SO ! ....as did many of us but as usual you weren't interested in facts....

Add and 's' to that ''Poopy Head' term and you've got a term that fits every rightwing/GOP'er in Congress...as well as those who blindly supported them.

At last, a thread that has positive motivation and meaning behind it ! :-)

Every Body Dance Now !
 

Robert S. (115)
Monday November 12, 2012, 1:52 pm
The idea that a poopy head (Romney)was the reason for their loss...is the banky that helps them sleep at night....

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-cycle/49794194#49794575
 

Robert B. (58)
Monday November 12, 2012, 2:01 pm
Excellent article! And OH SO TRUE! Thanks!
 

Roseann d. (178)
Monday November 12, 2012, 2:24 pm
The Left had to live through 8 years of BushCo, so quit y'er cryin'.
 

Robert O. (12)
Monday November 12, 2012, 2:25 pm
They are crybabies that living in days of whine and dead roses. They're loud, rude, abrasive, obstructionists and when it backfires on them they act like petulant children and cry foul and point fingers without even realizing that it was their actions and misdeeds that are the culprits. Thanks Arielle.
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday November 12, 2012, 3:09 pm

Let's do remember that they will be back in 2 years and again in 4 and who knows this time around they might paint on a new face. Same people same ideas, new coat of paint.

Classic example of a cry baby loser? Allen West who has lost even in the recount, but it's all an Obama conspiracy to obstruct the vote.
Hey Dopey, Sneezey and Poopy-Head are waiting for you in the "time out" room.
 

Kathy B. (103)
Monday November 12, 2012, 3:46 pm
To borrow an old cliche, Allen West is a legend in his own mind.

Adding some humor, I was just reading Rachel Maddow's blog, and according to the American Family Association, there's another excuse, er, um I mean reason they lost:

" Conservatives' failure with women this year was not the natural reaction to a mountain of tone-deaf legislation attacking their rights, and not even the result of President Obama's own considerable appeal, but instead happened because ill-informed women were unable to resist the supernatural charms of George Clooney and Sarah Jessica Parker. And this, fellow Americans, is why The Clooney must never fall into enemy hands." (This is the short reason, with a little sarcasm added.)

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/11/12/15111841-by-the-transitive-power-of-george-clooney
 

Eternal Gardener (761)
Monday November 12, 2012, 3:56 pm
Gloating! HEHEHEH....
 

Lynn Squance (232)
Monday November 12, 2012, 4:24 pm
"You lost because your policies, tone, conspiracies, rigid inflexibility and irrational rhetoric helped align enough moderates, swing voters, and minority groups whom otherwise could be persuaded by Republicans, to align with Democrats and a beatable incumbent."

For me, this says it all!

Given that the US was forced to endure 8 years of Baby Bush --- 9/11, WMD, Iraq, Afghanistan, Patriot Act, financial meltdown, increasing unemployment, Cheney and the neocons, unfair tax codes, etc etc ad nauseum --- and the Democrats didn't go on and on like spoiled children, it just shows what kind of people the Teabaggers and fanatics are! Good Old Poopyheads!!!

Great article Arielle. I have to admit that I was sitting reading it and smacking my fist on the desk with each point. If these guys want to hoist a distress flag, then move to Louisiana and secede from the union with them.
I'm sure everyone has by now seen the news, but here is a link:

http://a.abcnews.com/Politics/texas-petition-secede-reaches-threshold-obama-comment/story?id=17701519

 

Brad Miller (120)
Monday November 12, 2012, 4:32 pm
How sweet it is...
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday November 12, 2012, 5:01 pm

The Clooney factor? Count me in!
 

Yvonne White (233)
Monday November 12, 2012, 5:14 pm
The TeaBaggers are a Buncha whiney lil bitchs - they Should demand a Refund from their Daddy Warbucks!;)
 

John C. (81)
Monday November 12, 2012, 5:14 pm
Where is Diane O? Romney needs her now.....*laughing*
 

Just Carole (338)
Monday November 12, 2012, 5:46 pm

Hehehehe, John!

I had the displeasure of attempting to have intelligent discourse with her recently.

IMO, she's a poopy head.

LOL

 

Michael Sandstrom (306)
Monday November 12, 2012, 5:55 pm
LOL, great comments, I don't know if I ever heard Poopy head? But, yes, they are crying, a few montahs ago, they were laughing.. Who's laughing now? Alas, as mush as I would love to tell them all, I just smile inside and grin...
 

Robert S. (115)
Monday November 12, 2012, 6:05 pm
They cry because their candidates did not get in...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/ns/msnbc_tv-hardball_with_chris_matthews/#49795975

I have no sympathy for them.
 

Angelica C. (84)
Monday November 12, 2012, 6:19 pm
Teahadist tantrum-throwing, infantile traitors. Why don't they just leave America, since they feel so injured? They could leave and get out of our way.
 

Just Carole (338)
Monday November 12, 2012, 6:22 pm

"Teahadist???"

I LOVE that!

Thanks, Angelica.

 

Kathy B. (103)
Monday November 12, 2012, 6:23 pm
Texas seems to be serious about succeeding and has the necessary 25,000 petition signatures to get a response from the White House.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/12/15117305-petition-for-texas-to-secede-from-us-reaches-threshold-for-white-house-response?lite
 

Just Carole (338)
Monday November 12, 2012, 6:28 pm

Kit . . . Go toward the light! (I don't care if the rest of the Texas population, with a few exceptions -- like you and Gran Pat, secedes).



 

Kit B. (276)
Monday November 12, 2012, 6:29 pm

If you some how missed this:

Dear RED States:

We are pissed off at your Neanderthal attitudes and we have decided we are leaving. “Legitimate Rape”? We in New York have decided to form our own country and have decided to take the other Blue States with us. In case you have not paid attention that includes: California, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Michigan, Illinois, and the North East. We believe this will be beneficial to the new states of the ESA The Enlightened States of America.

Summation:
You get Texas, Oklahoma and the rest of the proud Slave states.
We get Stem Cell research and the best beaches.
We get Andrew Cuomo and Elizabeth Warren. You get Bobby Jindal and Todd Akin, we’ll toss in Dick Murdock.
We get the Statue of Liberty, you get Opry Land.
We get Microsoft and Intel, you get World Com.
We get Harvard, you get Ole Miss.
We get 85% of America’s venture capital, and entrepreneurs, you get Alabama.

We get two thirds of Americans revenue, you get to make the RED states pay their fair share.
Because the aggregate divorce rate is 22% lower in Blue States, we get happy families.
We the Blue States we get 80% of of the nation’s fresh water, 90% of the pineapples and lettuce, 92% of the nation’s fresh fruit and 95% of America’s quality wines. We get 90% of the cheese industry and 90% of the high tech industry. We get all living Sequoias, redwoods, condors, the Ivy League schools, MIT and Cal Tech.
You get 88% of all obese Americans along with their rising health care costs. You get 92% of the mosquitoes, nearly all of the tornadoes, 99% of Southern Baptists, nearly all of the televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Liberty University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.

We get Hollywood and Yosemite,
thank you.
The Enlightened States of America.
 

Just Carole (338)
Monday November 12, 2012, 6:29 pm

And I'm pretty much hoping that we can convince Mississippi and Alabama to do the same.

 

Kit B. (276)
Monday November 12, 2012, 6:33 pm

I'll be moving, I have friends in many Blue States or Enlightened States.

Jeez, Texas working over time on embarrassing itself.

Carole, Tennessee will not a part of the ESA or Enlightened States of America. Looks like we'll both be moving.
 

Just Carole (338)
Monday November 12, 2012, 6:36 pm

Guess I'll need to move too.

 

Jill P. (70)
Monday November 12, 2012, 6:36 pm
We ALL lost.
"The triumph of a lesser evil is still a victory for evil. "
Is This Child Dead Enough for You?
 

Just Carole (338)
Monday November 12, 2012, 6:37 pm

It'd be too SKEERY to stay!

 

Kit B. (276)
Monday November 12, 2012, 7:18 pm

It may be politically expedient to refer to Obama as the lesser evil and many of us do not care for the US policy of drone wars, but that is hardly a fair assessment of the president.
 

JL A. (276)
Monday November 12, 2012, 9:16 pm
Bernie Sanders has been calling for a return to civility for some time now. This article made its points all with a tone of civility...and so, too, this thread by and large. I am offended by upside-down flags on Veterans Day and the disrespect of the office of the Presidency we have been hearing the past four years. Patriots respect the office and duly elected even when they disagree--and communicate their disagreement or strive to persuade in respectful, civil tones. I once had the idea the South had a gentile civility as a cultural norm...if it was ever there, it now seems to be "Gone With the Wind" like any semblance of patriotism once espoused by the GOP contingency therein.
 

Susanne R. (249)
Monday November 12, 2012, 10:01 pm
I love that Karl Rove wasted the money of many millionaires and billionaires! Perhaps they'll never trust him again. If the turd blossom loses his influence in politics, everyone will be better off. It's very sad that adults are choosing to act in such a juvenile manner and setting such a poor example for their children. I'm guessing that these are the citizens who never learned good sportsmanship and don't care whether or not their children do either. It's one of the reasons they're unable to compromise. With all the lies and conspiracy theories they pushed before the election, you'd think they would have satisfied their need to hate.

Speaking of behaving in a juvenile manner, when I heard Grover Norquist use the word "poopyhead" on television, I thought I had misheard because I was reading and not paying close attention to the television. I'm sure it was his way of describing the intelligence of those who voted for President Obama, but apparently it backfired. Most children stop using that word once they're in kindergarten. Apparently, the man with the muppet name and muppet voice was having a tantrum.

The better man won --in spite of all the lies and deceitful methods used to keep that from happening. It's time to grow up and get over it.

Great post, Arielle, and great comments!
 

Michael Carney (212)
Monday November 12, 2012, 11:17 pm
I expected nothing less from these sick, sad, losers...They are pathetic, and an embarrassment to all humans...
 

Brad Miller (120)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 4:49 am
Agreed Susanne, Arielle and everyone - such fantastic comments. EXCEPT that last one right above me, which I've reported as more than inappropriate.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 4:59 am

Speaking of secession, I just left the PetitionSite, where there are several petitions for states wanting to leave the union.

The most surprising one is from citizens of El Paso, who want to secede from the state of Texas because its an embarrassment!

LOL



 

Angelica C. (84)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 5:14 am
I think we should enlist the aid of the Navy to transport them, on a huge ship. to another country or some uninhabited island where they can be really really free. A one-way trip.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 5:14 am
That's funny, Carole! There are a few states that would be doing us all a favor by leaving the union....too bad we can't vote on that.
Hate is so ugly and eats at your insides so all those who think they lost in this election would be better off to just suck it up and get on with life. It might not be so bad if given half a chance.
Many thanks to all for the great comments and for your wisdom in choosing the right guy for the job!
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 5:36 am

From Austin south and most of West Texas is blue, while the area of Houston is red, the adjoining counties are mixed with a good showing of blue, most of the rest of East Texas is also red. North Texas is extremely and, uncompromisingly RED. If a petition needs only 25,000 signatures in a state with 26,403,743 population, that does not represent the attitude of sane and reasonable Texans. Should a petition reach of that importance reach the level of even half the population, it might be worthy of real discussion.

Obama's win was not marginal, but one of the largest wins since 1988 taking Texas by only 18% (the last tracking I found) so it is fair to say, that with final vote counts coming in Romney and his ideas, if not the man himself was trounced. People assume that American voters are stupid or just voting for Free stuff, government "give a ways" whatever that might mean. No matter who wins an election, the ideas and plans (the candidate's vision) for the future is what will win or lose an election.
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 5:42 am

If you have not FLAGGED that comment and the profile that vile person, then please do so - Citizen of Usa, not in your dreams. That is one demented, worthless waste of human flesh. That comment should not be acceptable to any of us at any time.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 6:32 am
It is a vile comment Citizen of USA has made - but I think I can feel sorry for that person. It must be like living in a deep, black hole so filled with hate that you cannot see anything of value. Obviously, someone like that hates even themselves - such a waste of life.
 

Susanne R. (249)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 6:37 am
I have flagged the ignorant racial slur. Throughout the campaign, the trolls always denied that their hatred was racially motivated. I didn't buy it then and I don't buy it now.
 

Nancy M. (202)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 6:41 am
FLagged the comment.
 

John Gregoire (264)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 7:16 am
Thanks for a good article. We should all remember that there's only one thing worst than a poor loser and that's a gloating winner. Better we all get down to work.
 

JL A. (276)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 7:19 am
Comment appears to be gone...such hatred and anger as all of you describe hurts the person themself the most usually (as long as they don't have AK 47s, etc. to go on a rampage). I've been wondering if anyone has analyzed Romney's results compared to George Wallace's results (racist plus prayer in the schools profile)--would be enlightening I suspect.
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 7:31 am

I have no pity for such hate-filled comments. My pity and time is reserved for those in living on the streets, fighting for scraps of food, in the this and many countries. For animals that are starving and mistreated, not for those who make a conscious decision to display hate.
 

Rita White (1)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 7:45 am
noted, thanks
 

Nancy M. (202)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 8:18 am
After Just Carole's comment about the petition site, I went to take a look. I enjoyed the one about making the southern states secede. I looked at some fo the others- man what language! Wish I could falg some of THOSE comments.
 

Terrie Williams (773)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 8:53 am
Thanks for the laughs! They all need to have a huge time-out, preferably on a deserted island in the middle of the Pacific ocean....in the middle of the floating garbage heap! Leave them there....forever.

Go ahead you willfully ignorant, hate-filled, denialist, racist, sorry excuses for people, please DO secede!!!! Then you all can feed your hates off of eachother until they consume you and your sick, twisted, disgusting, putrid idiology. Don't go away made....just....go away. Fasr away from the rest of us sane human beings.

Any Fascist operative reading this thread.....wanna buy a nice 1/2 acre lot with a 2200 sq.ft. class 3 (house classification) modular 3 bdrm/2 full bath home, fireplace, 2 car attached carport, full perimeter fenced-in yards, large 16'x26' back deck, nice front porch with ramp, concrete driveway/carport and walkway, large trees, nice out building with lean-to attached for riding mower in quiet neighborhood of like-minded Tea Baggers.....I'll give it away for 100K just to get the f*** out of Texas!!!!! Yes, I AM dead serious.

Washington state is looking better and better with each passing breath--that is where we want to go.

As for the hateful comment....I don't see it so it must have been removed....good thing....that crap amps me up bigtime (racial slurs).
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 9:04 am

(You're making my sides hurt from uncontrolled laughter, Terrie . . . but I admire your restraint.)

So witty, well-written and sincere.

Thank you!

 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 9:08 am

Oh can I ever relate to that. I could not keep an Obama sign in my yard this year. I had one for Obama/Biden and one for Senate candidate Sadler, each swiped with dog pooh, and when washed, messed up again. They were removed, each time I replaced them, removed again. I live in a neighborhood ripe with crazy right wing tea-bagging religious zealots. A few too many of the children are home schooled by mothers that barely have a high school education. Just how is that okay?

One of my neighbors an architect, swore he would never lease his land to the drillers but did, in fear the neighbors might think him a democrat. That is democracy? In what universe?
 

Robert S. (115)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 9:12 am
I commend you John Gregoire, in fact you, and a good number of your friends.... for so ably muting any sign of joy over the defeat of the irrational, and of the hateful... and just sayin.....over deceit.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 9:17 am

Hmmmmmmm . . . maybe people who are unhappily living the blue states and people miserable in the red ones could set up some type of "swap exchange" bulletin board for their homes of equal value.

(Just trying to facilitate the exodus as expeditiously as possible.)

 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 9:26 am

John Gregoire is a decent man, just a little confused about politics. Just teasing, we each have the absolute right to align ourselves with those who express our own thinking. Mine just does not and will not fall in line with the extreme stance of the current face of the republican party.

***Not such a bad idea Carole, property swaps, bet it's been done before. Get all the crazies together, and leave us alone. I have to admit that island in the Pacific, the one made of plastic trash, would be my first option, though the Sinking Pacific island Kiribati, is not one we should ignore.
 

Robert S. (115)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 10:00 am
"transport them, on a huge ship. to another country"

This sounds too familiar. One must strive to not become the monster with which we do battle.

Of course...if they are volunteering to leave, then we are not, like they did, asking anyone to go....
 

Robert S. (115)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 10:12 am
I haven't liked the FACE of the Republican party since Taft betrayed Teddy. Of course I wasn't there....but know of it. Down with book burners who at the same time have attempted to rewrite history. We won a victory against them too, this time around, though I'll attempt to temper my joy about it.

HURRAH!!!!
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 10:16 am

Nah, we are not asking them to go...pleading with them, maybe.

Whut? You don't like Hoover?
 

Robert S. (115)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 10:29 am
:) Kit.

 

Arielle S. (317)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 10:35 am
Living in a red state isn't so bad - except for the way people think (or what they call thinking anyway). I'm in the same boat as Terrie - I'd trade, swap, sell to anybody interested. I've had enough God, guns and pick up trucks to last my lifetime and then some. After this win, despite all the big money, the dirty tricks and the big powers, it's a little hard not to gloat....just let us have a week or so more to be deliriously happy and then we can go back to watching out for big money, dirty tricks and big powers again.
 

Nancy M. (202)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 10:38 am
Up here in Indiana, the only Southern state north of the Mason-Dixon line, I am starting to understand why my husband (who grew up here) says that we will not stay here when we retire (if we ever can!). Maybe back to NY for me?
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 11:00 am

Arielle...it's first and most important, guns, then god, pickmeup trucks, drunk hunting, followed by butt scratching in public, I believe that may be the thinking process, not too sure.

If you are counting on Medicare or Social Security for retirement, don't hold your breath. Those are always the first on the chopping block, no matter who is president. Keep increasing that age limit and soon we will all be dead before we can get there.
 

Barbara K. (75)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 11:06 am
Thank you, my friend. I was so excited when I watched the election results come in that I was up until 3am so I could watch President Obama's speech. Wow, that was so exhilarating that it took me a long time to fall asleep and hours to get the smile off my face the next day. lol. I hope the Tbaggers get the message soon: We don't want them, we don't need them, they are idiots and immaterial. They are Christian in name only, and selfish, self-centered lunatics. So glad to see that we are ridding ourselves of them and it does my heart good to see all the money spent was wasted. OUR country was not for sale.
 

Terrie Williams (773)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 11:24 am
Kiribati......I like that one, Kit. ;)~~~~

You forgot the ever-pervasive snuff spitting (or hawk-n-spit) that is a prerequisite for the follow-up butt scratching.

Property swaps? Hey, I'd go for that, Carole! At this point, I don't even care about equal value....we just want the hell out of here.
 

Nancy M. (202)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 11:41 am
WOW, I am so much of a Northerner that I don't even get that hawk-n-spit stuff.
 

Robert S. (115)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 11:42 am
I am overjoyed to see the "party line" about raising revenue, now cracking, as Rebagger are heard to say things like "it wouldn't hurt to tax the rich a little more" and "why not tax the rich more when many of them voted for Obama anyway and live in Hollywood". This is funny, when most in Hollywood have been saying "Raise our taxes" and in reality, those like the Koch bros. are the ones who are after this election....being thrown (hip hip hurray) under the right winger starve the beast, (kill govt, while making themselves rich).....bus. Elections have consequences.
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 11:50 am

Koch it's the slime thing.

Nancy, I'm so glad you don't have to understand the very public - Hawk-spit and butt scratching...sadly I do realize it's a southern thing.

Bill Maher, and so many others that do have money not Koch, Adelson money, but money they have said for a long time - tax us! Of course most do pay taxes in the United States.
 

Nancy M. (202)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 11:59 am
Well, we do have our share of "rednecks" upstate. And I remember seeing the Confederate flag flying on one house in my hometown.
 

Robert S. (115)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 12:00 pm
Rather than admit defeat on their greedy self serving issue...they are pivoting to "tax the rich liberals", as a way to save face, while their sky which never really fell, is shown as lie, and is now addressed by reality and the sober half of the peoples will.
 

Nancy M. (202)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 12:02 pm
They are probably trying real hard to figure out a way to tax you based on how many Democrats you voted for.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 12:09 pm

Yeah, it was a bit of culture shock when I moved from Los Angeles (where I spent decades of my adult life) to Tennessee 4 years ago.

But, in honesty, I love it here. Mainly, it's because I live in a large log cabin on 32 acres (yes, with indoor plumbing) nestled in the Cherokee National Forest . . . and it doesn't even have cable access. Seems the older I get, the less involvement I want with real live people -- thank gawd, cuz I'd have nothing in common with the majority of them here.

Since I'm not a "believer," I was quickly advised not to say that within earshot of others; I finally got to taste moonshine (which wasn't the kerosene I thought it'd be -- if it's made correctly); heard some great music, and adapted to a liking for country and bluegrass, instead of jazz; found some very decent, giving people; adopted many of the colloquialisms and a slight drawl; and being isolated and no longer working, I'm sheltered from the small minds I don't invite into my personal life.

That said, however, I think my brain would shrivel if I didn't have the internet.

 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 12:16 pm

After reviewing all the newly submitted petitions from folks wanting to secede from the union (from so many northern and eastern states), this morning, I realized that being a "redneck" has less to do with being south of the Mason-Dixon and east of the Mississippi . . . and more to do with a chosen mindset.

 

Robert S. (115)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 12:24 pm
All the way from north to south in the middle...but thankfully not most of the east or most of the wast.
 

Robert S. (115)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 12:27 pm
With exceptions and the exceptional everywhere...of course.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 12:31 pm

Yup, while I've always enjoyed the adventures of living in several different areas and climates, there are a few states I'd NEVER consider -- Mississippi and Alabama are two.

 

Nancy M. (202)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 1:21 pm
YEah, I was surprised to see NY but then I looked at the idiot who wrote the petition and the language he used. He certainly does not represent the state,

Yeah, mindset. I hear it even exists up in Canada, eh?
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 1:25 pm

That WAS a surprise (and Washington state, who just legalized recreational marijuana use). But, then, I reminded myself that we need to understand that New York City does not represent the entire state, and the petitioner from Washington doesn't either.

[chuckle]

 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 1:29 pm

The south is beautiful, high forests and low mountains, open ranges and fields planted, lakes, streams, parks, rivers, canyons there is so much physically beauty in all of the states...well, I was never that impressed with Florida, but many are. From Rocky Mountain highs - that does have new meaning, to Mount Rainer towering above Seattle, or the Grand Canyon, beaches on the west coast or east coast, what a savory feast for the eye and heart of those who see the beauty for themselves. Moving north, east or west this land of ours is just so magnificent, so pleasing to the eye and the being, that I honestly have a hard time imagining people not being in love with this country. The physical beauty of the United States can not be in question.

What staggers the mind is those who never leave their home town and see what this country is about. Never question what is right, what is wrong...just follow the piper as the tune is played.

I have traveled to Mexico and Canada, been to Germany when I was young, and plan to spend more time in other countries. I want to drink in the customs and creations of people all over the world, as I have done in the United States, because that is how we grow and learn, being open and welcoming to new ideas and change.

I'll have enough time to be old and stodgy, when I'm in my grave.
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 1:31 pm

West of the mountains Washington is Blue, move east where the population is low and it's very red.
 

Gene Jacobson (255)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 1:31 pm
"But I do ask this: be a real Patriot. Look at that flag you’ve hung upside down. Look at what you’ve done to it and what that means. Thousands of our bravest men and women, braver than me, just lost limbs and in many cases their lives so that Iraqis and Afghanis could vote however they see fit. I did that on Tuesday and so did you. That’s what that flag stands for – equal access to a process, not a guarantee for any of our desired outcomes.

A country that defeated Hitler, Mussolini, and bin Laden won’t crumble because the guy you wanted to be President got beat.

You lost. Now learn from it.'

Love it. This is pretty much what the right wing said in 2000 and 2004 and what got them whupped in 2012. The world hasn't come to an end, disrespecting the flag and the people who don't buy the rhetoric and hateful actions you have been about for two years now isn't going to change that. Come into the 21st century with the rest of us. We aren't going back to the 19th, no matter how much you carry on. You're either part of the problem or you're part of the solution. Your choice.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 1:32 pm

TRUTH!

(Huge hug, Kit . . . and that's why I love ya.)

 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 1:38 pm

Gene, you make some excellent points; and it's very sad that those points would be lost on these single-minded/reactive haters -- who, as Kit and I have pointed out, have chosen a mindset without evaluating the alternative possibility of something outside their very small box.

If they weren't potentially dangerous, I'd just ignore them. But, when they -- who are offended by government intervention -- wish to impose their own narrow values on other free-to-think-and-live-accordingly Americans, without realizing that they would be guilty of the same sin they oppose -- it's time to take action.

 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 1:40 pm

Thanks Carole and right backatcha!

Gene - there is an old saying...lead, follow or get the hell out of the way... I turn toward DC as I say that.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 1:46 pm

It's depressing (to say the least) to try to understand a mentality that refuses to entertain the thought that a person who thinks other than them is not evil.

Perplexing to consider that there are so many people in this country, which was founded upon the basic right to pursue happiness with freedom, who cannot accept that it is un-American to force THEIR version of correctness upon others who may believe otherwise.

 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 1:51 pm

For many comments that deserve some attention beyond a weekly green star. We need another method of acknowledging certain worthy comments one that allows those on the thread to see, a "Thumbs-Up" if you will, some way to publicly say that was well said.

So...Well said, Carole.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 1:56 pm

Without trying to lecture here, mainly just expressing my deeply-held beliefs, one of my favorite, most all-encompassing and simplistic sayings is:

"Your rights end where mine begin."

(Wouldn't it be great if the world could adopt that ideology?)

 

JL A. (276)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 2:01 pm
Mobility in this country means views formed one place move with them to a new place--and maybe spread or else remain an aberration.
One analysis of AZ is that most seem to have moved there from somewhere else--it is a common winter house locale for midwesterners escaping winter and where many Californians have moved who could not afford to retire in CA with the higher cost of living.
50 years ago it was the exception to find a non-Latino who was a native Californian. Even here there are pockets of rabid right wing--get onto dirt roads and you might even see a Nazi flag of a white supremacist or NeoNazi.
Kit, you are right about WA-Spokane is quite conservative, especially compared to Seattle, Tacoma and Olympia.
Teachers used to have an international temporary house trade to facilitate travel--but many things stopped working well 5-10 years so trust in it eroded...and so the downward spiral.
There us indeed beauty to be found in every state--but the type varies and does not necessarily appeal to all.
The phrase "United we stand, divided we fall" keeps running through my mind...
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 2:33 pm

I think most readers here understand the depth and meaning of that comment, but just in case, I'll explain it.

Once we embrace and respect our right to freely conduct our lives in accordance with our beliefs, those rights are only valid UNTIL our own standards and behavior infringe upon the rights of others to do the same . . . and on and on it progresses forward.

 

Robert S. (115)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 5:36 pm
Ever been to Michigan Kit? I haven't but I hear the trees there are just the perfect height, while it is apparently and gratefully.... also blue.. :)
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 5:40 pm

I grew up in Ohio, and I've been to Michigan (but only Detroit -- so that doesn't count).

LOL

 

John C. (81)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 5:47 pm
I don't have to be right. I learn so much when I get egg on my face. I don't like it. No one does. My greatest lessons have come from not being right.
I live in Arizona. Pretty conservative state. There are people here that I love. Animals Too. Some can't be found anywhere else. If you ever raised a Puma that had been shot, or a Cara Cara eagle that strayed over the border from Mexico maybe you would understand. If not then you just don't know, but I'm' not leaving.

Many posts here give me the heart to try a little more. I thing it is more important to be gracious in victory. There will be another election. It is us, the we of the people, that set the standard of what is acceptable. We can't accept this without having what is acceptable dictated to us beyond our will. It has always been said that politics makes strange bedfellows. So what?
 

Kathy B. (103)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 5:47 pm
I've been on a couple of sites, like the BBC & a Russian news site & they seem to think this succession stuff is serious, I wonder if they'd be horrified by how lightly we're taking it?

I'm puzzled by how/why these people choose to live with such fear and hate - something in the water - eating too many GMOs?

As a lifelong Washingtonian I will attest to the fact that the 'wet side' is liberal and the 'dry side' is conservative. I ALMOST feel sorry for the 'dry side', they keep losing the gubernatorial race
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 5:52 pm

Hmmmmmmmmmm . . . Just realizing how much I'm enjoying the peaceful conversation this has become.

(Nice.)

 

John C. (81)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 5:58 pm
On the other hand we could just keep building the border fence.....Good for jobs, and a great way to cut the budget. Make a referendum out of it. We all would like to know where you stand when it comes down to it.
"Roll up the interstates and take them home. Fix them yourself!) I certainly hope you all have "papers" so you can cross into Arkansas, Oklahoma, or New Mexico. I have not heard a thing about a Confederacy. Just spleen venting. The wind is not with you..
 

JL A. (276)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 6:05 pm
Robert, are you saying Michigan is like Camelot then?
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 6:07 pm

And, John, I agree.

I, too, have been guilty of losing sight of the ultimate goal (peace) because I was responding in kind to angry people, questioning or chastising me, usually in an attempt to break my spirit and concentration. (Only I can control that.)

By doing so, I was a traitor to my own self.

 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 6:16 pm

I'm goin' off to bed, but I must say that this has been an awakening discussion, in more ways than the article's subject matter.

Thanks to all.

 

Robert S. (115)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 6:20 pm
Just having a bit of fun remembering an inane compliment Romney gave to Michigan about the trees.... while campaigning there. He probably wasn't talking about Detroit trees...thats true.

I just saw Lincoln tonight. Brilliant, thought provoking and informative.

Thank you Nancy. I just learned something new because or your description of Indiana, causing me to look and learn that which I hadn't known before

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Indiana

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_in_the_American_Civil_War

And because of the movie, of course, I became more curious about Illinois.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_in_the_American_Civil_War

Most interesting, highlighted in the film, and though I new of it before, is how the parties changed positions over time.
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 6:27 pm

Yes, I've been to Michigan, lived in Lansing and all the trees were just right. It was not all that bad, and I wasn't there very long, but did make trips around the state including the Upper Peninsula. I was living there when they had a massive snow storm, for Texas gal that was a bit exciting.

Thank goodness Robert, I was so afraid of a spoiler alert about the movie. Thought you might tell us who died.
 

JL A. (276)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 6:34 pm
Thanks for clarifying Robert.
 

Robert S. (115)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 6:36 pm
I will tell you who I was most impressed with aside from of course the lead... Tommy Lee Jones.. Great work by all though.
 

Robert S. (115)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 6:44 pm
Most interesting is a look at Lincoln's views on Presidential power, and then a look at how the holdout votes to get the 13th amendment passed were won. You will love it. Nothing new under the sun.
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 6:48 pm

I just gotta know...does the character played by Daniel Day Lewis, die?

I don't have much hero worship of president's, with one exception. From the beginning they have all been politicians first.
 

Robert S. (115)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 7:02 pm
Of course not. What? Did you think this was a french film?
 

John C. (81)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 7:15 pm
In my opinion there was not an American that could be found to play this part. They found an Irishman instead, and he did Lincoln proud. That's all that matters to me. You just have to read. You will never "get it" online.
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 7:24 pm

Duh....Yeah. I did. Le Lincoln...Ouais?

Yep, he is Irish and an excellent actor. I'm going tomorrow. I also want to see the new Denzel film..."Flight".
I've read many Lincoln biographies. I look forward to the film, in french of course.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 8:09 pm
Are we witnessing the demise of the GOP? I really don't see much of a future left for these Grandiose Old Poopyheads?

Thank you Arielle.
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 8:22 pm

nah, M J, just a regroup...maybe a renewal of the Tea party or maybe this time they will get smart? Time will tell.

mmmm......You said Poopy head...I'm gonna tell....
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 9:04 pm
Well, we’ll just have to do something about that. Let’s ask them to talk some more about rape..


 

Arielle S. (317)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 6:55 am
You guys are terrific - funny, insightful, kind, and on the ball - wish I could give you all the stars you deserve.

I've always thought it would be a good idea to make it mandatory for every child in the US to become an exchange student for at least 6 months. If we all were exposed to other countries, other cultures, we just might not be such a bunch of banana brains. This country is beautiful, north and south, and the other countries I've been fortunate enough to see are also beautiful - the problem as I see it is that people are kind of half dead. They don't SEE, they don't HEAR - too many move around as if they are robotic and they miss all the wonder of the world. You guys, of course, are all different - you're awake, fired up and ready to go (smile). But how do we wake up everybody else?
 

Nancy M. (202)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 7:39 am
Hey Robert. Thanks for all those links. I had heard that about Indiana while living out east. Mostly heard it from Hoosiers who left. Including my husband (whose mother has that twang).

I think southern Indiana (I live in a giant blue dot down here and was surprised at how many counties did love for Obama and especially for Donnelly for senate). It is perhaps a bit "Hillbilly" similar to the mountainous regions of Kentucky, Tenn., NC and SC. Many pentecostals, southern baptists, and anti=evolutionists. At least when you get out of town. You can tell because you hear dueling banjos off in the distance.

I grew up in Upstate NY, an rea that claims to have been Republican before Lincoln and that they joined with him. I laugh at all the attempts of the Tea Party. They have generally failed and turned the area Democratic. Yes, the parties have changed. Proud to say my old county and the one next to it, both quite rural, voted for Obama too.
 

Sandra M Z. (114)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 9:40 am
Interesting article and love the comments.

We are all at different levels of growth, so glad the Internet is moving us all to cutting edge information that will benefit all Beings by higher thinking actions. Interesting how the whole world was watching this election. We are all connected and affected by what is done anywhere on Earth, cooperation in spite of differences is key. In great crisis, all differences are forgotten and people come together. Red/Blue=Purple the Highest Color!

"Come Together, Right Now!"

Noted, Thank you Kit.
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Sandra M Z. (114)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 9:42 am
Thank you Arielle.
 

Diane K. (132)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 10:26 am
Well said. Thank you
 

Lois Jordan (58)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 6:13 pm
Thanks for posting, Arielle--and thanks for the link, Kit. This was a wonderful article that really said it all. I guess I should've expected the upside-down flag and requests for secession. I felt that way during 8 long yrs. of Bush; but don't understand why these angry people didn't confront him during his terms? Did they just save it all up for Obama? I think very little of their actions, but their intentions shouldn't be taken too lightly. If they just shut up and go away, that will be great. But, if they take it to a higher level, I wonder if there will be a response. Let's not forget there's still a lot of nuts out there waiting for "Doomsday"--(12/21/12).

In AZ, the Phx. area has been solid red for such a long time because of the Mormons in the "satellite city" of Mesa---huge group there. We down south in the Tucson area are steadfastly blue. Although moving sounds like a good idea, I love living here all my life and refuse to let the crazies win. I will stay and fight with the huge number of Progressives we have. We aim to turn AZ blue. Seems like we might be having some success at this. There are many young people in the Phx. area who are very energetic, vocal and active---right now making sure all the Early & Provisional ballots are counted...I've heard around 600,000 for the state. In fact, I think the "youth vote" had quite a bit to do with Obama's win. Gloat? Who me, gloat? No time for gloating here, still much work ahead.
 

Robert S. (115)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 10:43 pm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#49832101

The NRA had a 0.?? return on their investment in races this election. but you know who had great return....like 99% on money spent?..
Planned Parenthood..... ha ha he he ha ha
 

Arielle S. (317)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 6:15 am
I watched Rachel last night, too - great numbers, eh? ha ha ha is right! Also watched The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell who I rarely watch but last night he called out Liar Lindsey Graham and John McCain for their attacks on Susan Rice.... great coverage and praise for President Obama's press conference, too. I'm liking this new side of the President and I think there are many who do.... enough of the angry old farts...
 

Kit B. (276)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 7:08 am

For a guy that's only 57, Graham sure does act like a grumpy old man, not unlike McCain, who is 76, and still has temper tantrums. Their new scape goat to feed the frenzy over Benghazi is Susan Rice, both and Fox News know that she was given a report, and fed that back to the news "interviews". Could it be...that because she just might be a democrat, and of black heritage that she is unacceptable for Secretary of State? They really want to keep feeding their base of racists. Both are clowns, nasty clowns but clowns.
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 7:20 am

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm . . .

Good point, Miss Kitty.

(Could this be the reason so many people suffering from "clown-phobia?")

 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 7:23 am

[I, admittedly, really need to re-check my own posts before hitting "submit."]

That last line should read ". . . so many people ARE suffering . . ."

 

Arielle S. (317)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 8:11 am
LOL - yes, Carole! It IS clown-phobia!

I've already written to both Graham and McCain asking them to check the election results again - they obviously missed the part where the American people said they were sick of the GOP garbage. I suggested they might want to try adult conversation for a change....
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 8:24 am

Maybe, after an adult explains that to them, they will (hopefully, in this next decade).

Not holding my breath though.

 

Kit B. (276)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 9:03 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=h0q2eGAjyGg#%21
 

Robert S. (115)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 10:03 am
LOL, Kit.... thanks for my morning laugh.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 10:40 am
That was almost worth looking at Mitt again - what they can do these days! Thanks for the giggles, Kit!
 

Kit B. (276)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 10:49 am

I aims to please. If we do not laugh at this farce than we get suckered into the insanity.

McCain, Graham and their compatriots are missing one skill that I fear it's just too late to teach them. Critical thinking. The ability to be objective and examine evidence without an emotional context.
 

Robert S. (115)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 11:03 am
McCain, Graham, know just what they are doing. It's cynical, dishonest, and disgusts me. I like the Obama reaction. Its expresses the same disgust I feel. Glad we are, in step, in this and other things...we do not fight stupidity, with such an open hand.
 

Kathy B. (103)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 6:51 pm
I'd guess that the latest report that says the demographics of our nation are changing hasn't 'trickled down' to these 2 angry white men yet?
 

Kit B. (276)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 6:56 pm

These two "angry white men" didn't bother to show up for the State department briefings today. It must be marvelous to be in a position to judge and not need any fact based information.

Carole hit it - CLOWNS!
 

Ann B. (140)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 8:26 pm
thanks - do they even know the flag is upside down... LOL
 

Jill P. (70)
Friday November 16, 2012, 8:15 am
I don't know what everyone is celebrating or fighting over.
The Democrats are conservative and push conservative policies. They make Nixon a liberal by comparison which is disgraceful.
so you defeated a conservative so a conservative could hold office.
Theonly difference is this conservative was on your "team", the blue team.
What difference does blue and red states make. Both similar parties put on a show for the public of sparring and hating each other so we all fight amongst ourselves and ignore the real issues that are killing most of us and will get the rest later. I found Democrat supporters and republican supporters care nothing of the issues but only whos "team" commits these horrid acts.
so what are you all celebrating. Massive expanded surveillance? Your Constitutional rights stripped? Antother Free Trade agreement that will send the last of the jobs out of the country? Drone strikes on innocent civilians. Killing journalists to shut them up? prosecution of whistle blowers? How about forcing citizens to buy private goods and services from corporations the President decides on? Maybe it is his "Kill List" that has everyone excited?
Everyone of of these would have been carried on and expanded by Romeny. So what have you won?
Obama and the Democrats now know with absolute certainty that there is not aone thing they can do that will make self proclaimed liberals and progressives rise up to stop them. They have free reign and they know it...and so do the republicans. Obama had to win becasue only he could get away with the cirmes he has committed and will expand. Only he could have cut Social Security so many times I lost count. He is now cutting it again and raising the retirement age becasue you all siad "YES" to him, the Democrats and their Draconian policies. Only Obama and the Democrats can get away with these things becasue self proclaimed liberals and progressives don't dare rise up and protest against their "team". Forget the issues, it is the team that matters. Right?
Sure you ruble and complain a bit but when push comes to shove you will always support them and what they do, no matter what.
THIS is why we are in the awful situation we are all in and many are suffering and dieing for. All becasue Americans don't care about issues, only whos team wins.
Did you ever stop to think that all thses invasive, unconstitutional and deacxly policies the Dumms and Almighty Obama have put in places are now ready and waiting for the Repugs to step in and use? You cannot complain about it though. If it is ok when the Deumms do it it has to be just as ok when the Repugs do it. Otherwise it is just hypocrisy.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Friday November 16, 2012, 10:09 am
Jill, I am celebrating because I feel the better man won. It cannot be easy to the President of the United States and we ordinary people cannot know the pressures, the stress, the difficulties involved. But I feel we have a man who will give his best all the time. As he said himself, "I am not here to celebrate an election, I'm here to work". Perhaps this letter explains it better than I can:

Dear Mitt and Paul,
I wanted to clear something up for you.
I have seen the debate about what went wrong, and why you lost this election. As a voter I want you to know that my voting against you had nothing to do with the fact that you are both rotten people.
It was not because of your crazy religions.
It had nothing to do with Eastwood’s empty chair, or the hurricane, or the liberal media telling me bad things about Bain.
I did not vote against you because I am a minority.
I did not vote against you because I live in an urban area.
I did not vote against you because of the cheese wiz in your veins or the elevators for your cars.
I did not vote against you because you are bullies and bigots.
I did not vote against you because you are rich hypocrites.
It was not because of Chris Christie, or Colin Powell, or Bill Clinton, or Anne Coulter, or Chris Mathews or Rachel Maddow or Meygn Kelly or Jon Stewart or Brian Williams, or anybody on tv.
I didn’t vote against you for any of those reasons because, I didn’t vote against anybody.
I voted for someone.
I voted for a man who brought my childhood friends home from war that they could kiss their wives and tuck their kids in at night.
I voted for a guy who loves New Jersey more than he dislikes Chris Christie.
I voted for the guy who looked in the mirrors of his daughter’s eyes, questioned himself, and changed his mind about marriage equality.
I voted for the guy who called Sandra Fluke and told her that her parents should be proud.
I voted for the guy who honors the women in his life by ensuring them trust to make their own reproductive and health choices and opportunity to work through glass ceilings with equal pay.
I voted for the guy who signed the stimulus that paid for the hearing aids that allowed me to hear my children clearly.
I voted for the guy who gave my sister the ability to buy health insurance in spite of pre existing conditions.
I voted for the guy who picked Joe Biden for a VP. Joe’s love for his country, his willingness to give of himself, his smarts and experience are top notch.
I voted for the guy who was smart enough to put a ring on Michelle Obama’s finger.
Most importantly, I voted for the guy who will continue to place America and what is right for her first.
I trust him.
When he hears a lone voice in a crowd of plenty shout, “I love you!” He shouts, “I love you back!”
See Mitt, Paul, it’s not you… It’s him.
I did not vote against you.
I voted for Barack Obama.
I voted for Joe Biden.
I voted for Michelle and Sasha and Malia.
I voted in favor of my self and my spouse and our sons and our future.
I voted in favor of the best tomorrow for America available.
You can blame polls, and weather events, and skewed electoral votes and biased media and urban minorities who supposedly want free stuff till you actually turn into the slow moving regressive elephants who represent you if you wish but no manipulating the facts.
You lost not because you are losers but because Barack is a winner.
Sincerely,
Sarah Zacharias
The Bucking Jenny
 

Kit B. (276)
Friday November 16, 2012, 10:19 am

And that Arielle sums it all it nicely. For just a little while I do want to bask in the light of at least a little celebration that the person we chose to continue his leadership is re-elected. There will be so much negative to discuss, mull over and consider in the coming weeks, months and years. Just give a moment or two to feel releif.
 

Robert S. (115)
Friday November 16, 2012, 12:10 pm
Some of us, while aware of disappoints, are none the less aware of reasons to be pleased. Thank you Arielle for reminding us of some of those reasons. They do indeed exist. We do not celebrate blindly, but when we can.
 

Robert S. (115)
Friday November 16, 2012, 12:21 pm
I appreciate the intro to Bucking Jenny who's words I now read. A bright mind there. Thanks again Arielle. You are a gem.
 

Yvonne White (233)
Friday November 16, 2012, 2:31 pm
You cannot currently send a star to "damn near Everybody" because you have done so within the last week.
I still think Deporting the dumba$$ TeaBaggers to some nice Northern, nearly all white country would be fun - FINLAND would never see it coming!;)...hmm..Finland doesn't ICBMs, does it?
 

Robert S. (115)
Friday November 16, 2012, 2:59 pm
I wouldn't think of doing that to Finland. Cruel and unusual.
 

Marilyn M. (142)
Friday November 16, 2012, 3:25 pm
Noted. Thank you for posting, Arielle.
 

Matt L. (23)
Friday November 16, 2012, 3:52 pm
Well to be fair, I kind of wanted to secede when Bush Jr. was reelected, though I didn't go as far as actually signing petitions. lol Apparently the states with the most signatures happen to be among the biggest recipients of federal funding in 2010.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/11/states-with-most-signatures-to-secede-took-millions-in-federal-money/

"All the states petitioning to secede from the United States that obtained enough signatures to elicit a response from the White House — with the exception of Alabama — were some of the largest recipients of federal funding in 2010."

There is a petition for the "State of Canada" to secede from the US too, lol, hopefully a joke.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/ten-amazing-white-house-petitions
 

Robert S. (115)
Friday November 16, 2012, 4:21 pm
It seems to tease Canada, based on its position, relationship with and power relative to, the United States.
I get it.
 

Marianne B. (113)
Friday November 16, 2012, 8:15 pm
noted thanks
 

Jill P. (70)
Friday November 16, 2012, 9:25 pm
violating the constitution isn't a "disappointment". it is a tragedy and violation of human rights.
ignoring the global crisis is unthinkable and now a tragedy that can no longer be averted.
That letter is the sentimental fabricated dribble that fuels his campaign...and it worked...again.
I just will never ever understand condoning killing innocent people, violating human rights, and raping and pillaging the planet for financial gain, etc...
Yet, marrying Michelle and calling Sandra Fluke (for political grandstanding) makes up for all that.
he has committed high crimes. The same and more as bush and Cheney. yet when Obama does it liberals look away and celebrate his success (at getting away with the crimes I guess). Like bush, he should have been standing trial for impeachment NOT running for President. Yet, impeachable Presidents are the "in" thing now..as long as he is on your "team".
But for me, wrong is wrong, breaking the law, violating the Constitution is breaking the law and violating the Constitution. There is no exception, no "compromise", no excuse. I don't care who it is. fi it is wrong for one person to commit these crimes it is wrong for ANYONE to commit these crimes. it was wrong when Bush did it and it is still wrong as Obama commits it. I don't make excuses for one "team" and condemn the other for the same crimes. Wrong is wrong.
You are wrong. The last four years were not his best. These next four years will be. God help us all.
The elderly, disabled, innocent victims in Pakistan, journalists, human rights, environmental and animal rights activists in Homeland Security prisons, the prosecuted whistle blowers now and those yet to be killed or prosecuted, the indefinitely detained innocents, etc... all thank you. They were hoping their persecution would continue under the Democrats. It's better than the Republicans doing it.
 

Betty Kelly (4)
Friday November 16, 2012, 11:42 pm
From my point of view Romney lost because of lies and lack of care for the lower and middle clas and the large number of tunel visioned radicals that support him whether they like him or not. I don't want bigots and racist as friends or policy makers.
 

federico bortoletto (36)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 7:05 am
Notato,grazie.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 9:54 am
"You cannot currently send a star to "damn near Everybody" because you have done so within the last week." LOL - exactly, Yvonne! And you almost all deserve a ton of 'em....
Jill, you sound very angry - the President is the first to admit there is a whole lot of work to do yet. As Kit said in another post, he was elected president, not Jesus. He cannot do it all in one day or even one term and much of it cannot be done by one man even if that man is the president. IF there is blame here, it must be shared by all of Congress and yes, even by the Americans who have allowed Congress to become what it is - and then there is Faux News for its propaganda and lies.....lots of people to share any blame.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 10:17 am
Jill - and everyone - you can go to http://www.whitehouse.gov/engage to not only see what is going on with the President and the White House but leave your questions, thoughts and comments as well. You can sign up for daily photos and updates. Watch news conferences. Stay informed. There was nothing like this during the Bush administration - we have it now and we should use it.
 

Dotti Lydon (112)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 10:34 am
I got to this thread just this morning as I have had company and neglected my Care2ing 'till this A.M. Great article, Arielle. and all the comments.
 

Dotti Lydon (112)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 10:49 am
Just had to return and give an added thanks to Kit for the Dear Red States. I received that some time ago and put in my Keeper file. Read it when I need a laugh and always wish that it could really happen.
 

Robert S. (115)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 10:55 am
I will only say to you Jill, that you should do what you can do including not voting for Democrats... as I do what I can do including voting for certain Democrats. I don't excuse Dems by the way, but its easy to point out problems...and less easy to find ways to make progress toward solving them within this system, where you may have noticed...one does not work within a vacuum, and the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
 

Matt L. (23)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 1:39 pm
@ Jill P. I voted for Jill Stein myself. I doubt Obama will be much better when it comes the various atrocities and constitutional rights violations carried out in the name of the "War on Terror" and "War on Drugs". Still at least for gay rights and womens reproductive rights, educational funding and some other issues, I think he is better than Romney. Obama is maybe less likely to start an all out war too, since he seems to favor smaller, more targeted military operations. I think if nothing else the failure of Romney's strategy to reach out to right wing religious extremists is worth some celebrating. On the downside liberals tend to overlook human rights violations more when a Democrat is in the White House.

Maybe we can keep riding Obama's ass and can work on getting some real liberals in office at lower levels so one has a chance of becoming president one day. There's a lot of money in the "War on Terror" with weapons manufacturers, mercenaries and others who have a vested interest in a permanent "state of war". Grossly exaggerating the threat of terrorism as making a lot of people rich. It's going to be difficult to change. Voting for people who don't get corporate funding might help.
 

Jill P. (70)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 3:04 pm
No one will ever explaing tome why, when Bush commits these crimes it is an outrage and when obama commits the same crimes, all impeachable, "liberals" pretend they are not happening or make excuses.
This nonsense of he can't do it all and it takes time. he has not done one thing to hold Wall Street accountable for detstroying the world economy. He, all alone, by himself, took single payer healthcare off the table and guarenteed private insurance comapnies millions of more customers, the Bill The CEOs wrote. He has a kill list, ramped up drone wars, something Bush could not get away with, has prsecuted MORE whislte blowers than ALL Administrations in US history COMBINED!!!!! He attacks those who speak the truth and expose his cirmes. What does that tell you.
The list goes on....
And all I hear from self proclaimed liberals who are supposed to stand up for equal rights, human rights, not tolerate vioaltions of the consitution like privacy and freedom of speech and due process (all of which obama has done away with), etc...he's the best man for the job and no one is perfect. Boy is that an understement.
he is a criminal in the highest sense at the highest level.
Why did allt he liberals want Bush impeached then? if these crimes are now considered OK?
I do not understand the hypocrisy. That is why I sound angry. I am beating my head against the wall trying to understand why people who claim to stand for human rights, justice, due process, freedom of speech and the environment support and defend somone who is clearly opposed to all of those values. Or why they opposed them from 200 to 2008 when Bush was in office but support and defend them now.
It is hypocritical and contradictory. So I will never understand it becasue it can never make sense it is only human dysfunction which I will never grasp either.
 

Robert S. (115)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 3:18 pm
ho hum....why don't you just repeat your outrage again. It will make you feel better one can only hope. You're comments border on disappointment that the Baggers didn't win. Your inability to note ANY positives of keeping them from winning is IMO eroding your credibility just as your lack of answers to problems you point out, makes your complaining ring not only shrill, but hollow.
 

Robert S. (115)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 10:16 pm
http://www.real-time-with-bill-maher-blog.com/real-time-with-bill-maher-blog/2012/11/12/overtime-november-9-2012.html

Listen to Ms.Cup who is a Conservative....and tell me who here she resembles in terms of talking points.
 

Matt L. (23)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 2:17 am
@ Jill P. A lot of high level government officials probably deserve to be impeached and imprisoned. You pretty much have to sell your soul to the highest bidders to get elected to high positions, you simply won't get enough TV time to compete without funding from rich corporations and super-pacs. I think we need to to change the system so only individuals can donate say a maximum of $100 ea. to a candidate to have any real chance of getting people who represent The People instead of corporations and the military industrial complex.

Obama's kill list and efforts to eliminate due process for those "suspected" of aiding terrorists are disturbing, but he's just trying to grab more power like Presidents before him. All recent presidents have expanded on the powers their predecessors grabbed. It's a very disturbing trend. As bad as the constant drone bombings are they probably kill less innocents than bombing entire cities at least. McCain and Romney may well have done even more needless killing. I think the system of legalized bribery we have creates a situation where only bastards can become president.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 7:35 am

One thing I think we all know by now. When anyone attempts to tell us how to think or feel toward a given topic chose one, politics, religion, health, climate change, war and conflicts. We each become intractable on the topic, even should we agree. Consistently most just do not want to be told what to think or how to react. While our agreement may be a grudging, acceptance of the facts, there is a time for that discussion. For now, I will make the choice to wait and see if the president is going to govern as he did, or attempt to tackle the problems from a new choice of action. Like or not, and most sane people do not like it, our government from the the top down is strongly influenced by out side money. This is not a new phenomena, but now is the almost total ownership of wealth by the few, it is so much worse now then in the past. We must gather our strength to combat this intrusion into our governing bodies .

We do have a two party system, all to often a third party, while welcome by most to table, they wait too long to build a strong and meaningful grassroots effort. The president, while seen as being all powerful, does in fact have limited powers.

Jill I am sorry you feel so bitter about the outcome of the election however, given our real choices; I think we did elected the best choice from the two.
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 10:24 pm
Here is an example of the kind of crap Teabaggers were eating up.....just before the light went on...

http://www.policymic.com/debates/18479/electoral-map-romney-will-win-presidency-with-325-electoral-college-votes

 

Phyllis P. (389)
Monday November 19, 2012, 8:59 am
OMG....great article
 

Jill P. (70)
Monday November 19, 2012, 10:13 am
While I am profoundly diappointed about the outcome, mostly it is about the hypocrisy. We are defined by our actions NOT our words.
Calling yoursef Vegan does not make it so if you eat meat. You are stil a meat eater.
Just the same I don't understand how people call themselves liberal or progressive while supporting conservative policies.and candidates. That is what I find frustrating.
Even more so are the excuses. "Oh, they all do it." "IF Obama didn't do it the Republicans would have."
How does that excuse or justify breaking the law and violating the consitution?
From this thread I now realize this is what Americans want, moving ever so closer to the
far right. Stripping people of their constitutional rights and doing away with the constitution all together. Americans do not want accountability as long as the perpetrator is a corporate backed rich politician.
It is all about team, not issues. Each team fights the other. Who cares what innocent people get caught in the cross fire. Who cares who gets killed without commiting a crime, no due process., Who cares whose children die from illegal drone strikes as long as it isn't ours.
Who cares as long as the person commiting these crimes is on our team...even if our team turns on us as well.
Move to whatever state you wish. It doesn't matter. America is 99% conservative even if they call themselves by a different name, Republican or Democrat. Their policies are the same. The results are the same. No rights, no social programs, privatization, no free speech. That is the end goal of 99% of Americans. The 1% is going against the grain. They want justice, the constituion restored, due process, democracy. We are fighting the 99% who want what we are getting.
A Letter to Obama Supporters
"While we are on the subject of legal issues, I am equally fascinated to learn of any excuse you may offer for President Obama’s continuation of Bush’s violations to constitutional law and demolition of civil liberties. George Washington University Law Professor Jonathan Turley called Obama the “most disastrous president in our history for civil liberties.” As President, Obama has increased warrantless wiretapping and military tribunals. The prison at Guantanamo Bay remains open, and Obama has made no attempt to reinstate Habeas Corpus as a foundational principle of American law."
Support the Democrats, support the Republicans. There isn't enough of a difference so you will be happy with either, it just may not be YOUR team. But just don't support conservative policies and call it liberalism. It sin't. There is nothing liberal or progressive about obama. There is nothing liberal or progressive about supporting him either.
The dysfunction can only continue as long as we ignore it or call it something pretty like progressive. Calling the Democrats liberal only continues the criminal dysfunction whcih is crippling our economy, our society and killing our citizens.
Now while you celebrate winning your "game" many of us have to prepare for more cuts to Medicare and Social Security, more indefinite detentions, civil rights violations, expensive wars and the privatization of every branch of government under your conservative team leader who is now poised to finish off the end game with your permission...blessings. Thanks.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Monday November 19, 2012, 12:54 pm
Dear Jill, I must respectfully disagree with you. What you see by this thread is not Americans moving ever so closer to the far right. What you see are people who still expect and will demand much from this president. The difference is that with this one, we have a chance of getting what we want - with the other candidate, we never would. If you believe the 1% cares one whit about anything other than the 1%, you are living in fairyland.
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday November 19, 2012, 2:15 pm

Exactly Arielle, it is a political system. We can not have what we want or hope for, it's is system of compromises, of accepting less than you want to get at least some of what you believe to be better, more honest, and we hope more fair than it would be, otherwise. Is Obamacare what I hoped for? Of course not, but it might be the best we could get in this current political climate. We don't have to like what is going on, we do have to find those who will earn our trust (to some degree) and will fight for a more balanced approached.

Cuts in Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid are the best damn political football money can buy. About every four years this happens no matter who is president. GW Bush wanted to fully privatized both, that as we now know would have ended the Social Security program. This country took a right turn when Reagan was elected to office, and much of the country wants to turn even farther to right. We have to struggle for the goal of at least a more neutral ground. Obama is not, contrary to what the right believes, a socialist nor even leaning very far to the left, but he does propose ideas that are workable, even in this environment.
 

Jill P. (70)
Monday November 19, 2012, 7:57 pm
If he or Bush never pay for their crimes, the constitution is never upheld and you end up with the out of control lawlessness we have now. Badd, criminal behavior is reinforced. i just don't understand why you all feel it is ok for the President to commit high crimes, strip citizens of their constitutional rights and never be held accountable for it. Then you can never criticize the Republicans for doing it.
Anyway, I am done. i cannot argue with people who feel commiting crimes agaisnt the nation and its people is acceptable and should not be prosecuted.
There is nothing more to say when Nixon is too liberal for the Democrats and the "liberals" cheer.
I refused to support a tyrant like Bush so I naturally refused to support a tyrant like Obama. Same tyrany, different tyrants. I reject both and wish they had both been prosecuted as an expample to future tyrants. Instead we have all shown that tyrants are encouraged, protected and supported.
Obama is NOT neutral ground and has moved closer to privatizing Medicare. These constant cuts are making more and more doctors refuse Medicare patients, forcing Medicare recipeints to turn to God awful private supplement plans. THAT is how he privatizes medicare. He took the Bush prescription drug plan, forcing people to buy private insurance or else, and expanded it to all citizens. Something Bush and Romeny could NEVER get away with.
Certain atrocities need to be done by a Democrat because if a Republican tried it the liberals would fight back. They don't fight it when a Democrat does it.
Anyway, if Nixon is more liberal than obama then how can you possibly say this country is not moving ever to the right. The "left" is now so right the right had to move to crazy land to stay to the right of the Dems.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday November 19, 2012, 8:52 pm

Election Over: 5 Hard Realities Progressive Have to Face About Obama.

Democrats must start mobilizing their own agenda now. And the first step is to face the truth about Obama's record.

 

Jill P. (70)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 7:01 am
"They’ve sworn these oaths before, but after each election, they persuade themselves to give the leadership another chance. Soon the next election is upon them, and they line up for their marching orders."
That is why at least when a Republican is in office they don't get away with as much and are held accountable for thier crimes, or at least try to, becuase liberals look the other way when a Democrat commits them.
If romeny had won liberals would have fought him on cutting Medicare and other social programs and would have fought him on drone strikes and massive surveylance. With obama the liberals are eerily quiet. Becasue it is not about issues, law or morality. it is about teams. Crimes are acceptable as long as it is commted by your team.
THAT is the disgrace in all this. US citizens are morally bankrupt. They don't care if a US President commits impeachable crimes. Let him go. Who cares. As long as it is our guy.
Immoral.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 7:21 am
You cannot currently send a star to MJ because you have done so within the last week. -
It is obvious, Jill, that we are not going to change your mind about anything. Time will tell who makes the most sense here....
 

Robert S. (115)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 9:59 am
Jill said, "Anyway, I am done."....but I knew it was not so. Jill likes too much to wag her finger at us, while never voicing a viable, and I stress VIABLE, alternative Jill tells us nothing....NOTHING...we have not already known going into this election. The difference between she and we, is that her ANSWER to the rain, is to curse the sky....while we attempt find a somewhat drier place from which we may yet work toward our goals. Within this analogy....AGAIN were well aware, that the place we fought for was not a cozy one of our choosing, but better than where many were hoping to take us, i.e., the drowning pool, or standing with fists in the air waging finders and nothing else, like our "friend" Jill here. I do not, have not forgiven Obama his betrayals. I use him toward my ends. Its called being IN the game, and its the tactic toward which I put my efforts in the aim of not further loosing. Of course Obama winning, is in some ways loosing for us. For almost half of this country, a Romney victory would have been a win. I am proud to have helped deprive them of their joy.

Thank you MJM. Your contribution lays out below clearly what we have done, and why. And also reminds us of what has ben done at times in the past after such holding efforts. I do not know, if this marginal victory is prolog to a continued decent for us. I only know, we have bought time in an uphill battle against the destructive folly of about half of our own people. Moma never told me it would be easy.

"Terrorized by the prospect of a complete takeover of the U.S. government by right-wing reactionaries—progressive Democrats swallowed their unhappiness with Barack Obama throughout the campaign. They gamely defended his policies on the economy, health care, budget priorities and other issues on which they felt betrayed in his first term."

"complete takeover of the U.S. government by right-wing reactionaries"

Yes. Thats exactly what we faced, and facing it, we used Obama, so we might live to fight another day, perhaps toward for more green and liberal house peoples house, and on and on, who knows whats in the cards. One things for sure. Obama will be picking the next Supreme Court nominee or two...and for me, that's about as clear cut a victory, in an extremely important way, as I'm about to ever see in my lifetime.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 11:48 am
For those of you who might have missed it - this is Michael Moore's letter to the President - I suspect we agree with much of what he says....

An Open Letter to President Obama …from Michael Moore

Monday, November 19th, 2012

Dear President Obama:

Good luck on your journeys overseas this week, and congratulations on decisively winning your second term as our president! The first time you won four years ago, most of us couldn't contain our joy and found ourselves literally in tears over your victory.

This time, it was more like breathing a huge sigh of relief. But, like the smooth guy you are, you scored the highest percentage of the vote of any Democrat since Lyndon Johnson, and you racked up the most votes for a Democratic president in the history of the United States (the only one to receive more votes than you was ... you, in '08!). You are the first Democrat to get more than 50% of the vote twice in a row since Franklin D. Roosevelt.

This was truly another historic election and I would like to take a few minutes of your time to respectfully ask that your second term not resemble your first term.

It's not that you didn't get anything done. You got A LOT done. But there are some very huge issues that have been left unresolved and, dammit, we need you to get some fight in you. Wall Street and the uber-rich have been conducting a bloody class war for over 30 years and it's about time they were stopped.

I know it is not in your nature to be aggressive or confrontational. But, please, Barack – DO NOT listen to the pundits who are telling you to make the "grand compromise" or move to the "center" (FYI – you're already there). Your fellow citizens have spoken and we have rejected the crazed ideology of this Republican Party and we insist that you forcefully proceed in bringing about profound change that will improve the lives of the 99%. We're done hoping. We want real change. And, if we can't get it in the second term of a great and good man like you, then really – what's the use? Why are we even bothering? Yes, we're that discouraged and disenchanted.

At your first post-election press conference last Wednesday you were on fire. The way you went all "Taxi Driver" on McCain and company ("You talkin' to me?") was so brilliant and breathtaking I had to play it back a dozen times just to maintain the contact high. Jesus, that look – for a second I thought laser beams would be shooting out of your eyes! MORE OF THAT!! PLEASE!!

In the weeks after your first election you celebrated by hiring the Goldman Sachs boys and Wall Street darlings to run our economy. Talk about a buzzkill that I never fully recovered from. Please – not this time. This time take a stand for all the rest of us – and if you do, tens of millions of us will not only have your back, we will swoop down on Congress in a force so large they won't know what hit them (that's right, McConnell – you're on the retirement list we've put together for 2014).

BUT – first you have to do the job we elected you to do. You have to take your massive 126-electoral vote margin and just go for it.

Here are my suggestions:

1. DRIVE THE RICH RIGHT OFF THEIR FISCAL CLIFF. The "fiscal cliff" is a ruse, an invention by the Right and the rich, to try and keep their huge tax breaks. On December 31, let ALL the tax cuts expire. Then, on January 1, put forth a bill that restores the tax cuts for 98% of the public. I dare the Republicans to vote against that! They can't and they won't. As for the spending cuts, the 2011 agreement states that, for every domestic program dollar the Republicans want to cut, a Pentagon dollar must also be cut. See, you are a genius! No way will the Right vote against the masters of war. And if by some chance they do, you can immediately put forth legislation to restore all the programs we, the majority, approve of. And for God's sake, man – declare Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid untouchable. They're not bankrupt or anywhere near it. If the rich paid the same percentage of Social Security tax on their entire income – the same exact rate everyone else pays – then there will suddenly be enough money in Social Security to last til at least the year 2080!

2. END ALL THE WARS NOW. Do not continue the war in Afghanistan (a thoroughly losing proposition if ever there was one) for two full more years! Why should one single more person have to die FOR NO REASON? Stop it. You know it's wrong. Bin Laden's dead, al Qaeda is decimated and the Afghans have to work out their own problems. Also, end the drone strikes and other covert military activities you are conducting in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Colombia and God knows where else. You think history is going to remember the United States as a great democracy? No, they're going to think of us as a nation that became addicted to war. They'll call us warlords. They'll say that in the 21st century America was so in need of oil that we'd kill anyone to get it. You know that's where this is going. This has to stop. Now.

3. END THE DRUG WAR. It is not only an abysmal failure, it has returned us to the days of slavery. We have locked up millions of African-Americans and Latinos and now fund a private prison-industrial complex that makes billions for a few lucky rich people. There are other ways to deal with the drugs that do cause harm – ways built around a sense of decency and compassion. We look like a bunch of sadistic racists. Stop it.

4. DECLARE A MORATORIUM ON HOME FORECLOSURES AND EVICTIONS. Millions of people are facing homelessness because of a crooked system enacted by the major banks and Wall Street firms. Put a pause on this and take 12 months to work out a different way (like, restructuring families' mortgages to reflect the true worth of their homes).

5. GET MONEY OUT OF POLITICS. You already know this one. The public is sick of it. Now's the time to act.

6. EXPAND OBAMACARE. Your health care law doesn't cover everyone. It is a cash cow for the insurance industry. Push for a single-payer system – Medicare for All – and include dentistry and mental health. This is the single biggest thing you could do to reduce the country's deficit.

7. RESTORE GLASS-STEAGALL. You must put back all the rigid controls on Wall Street that Reagan, Clinton and the Bushes removed – or else we face the possibility of another, much worse, crash. If they break the law, prosecute them the way you currently go after whistleblowers and medical marijuana dispensaries.

8. REDUCE STUDENT LOAN DEBT. No 22-year-old should have to enter the real world already in a virtual debtors' prison. This is cruel and no other democracy does this like we do. You were right to eliminate the banks as the profit-gouging lenders, but now you have to bring us back to the days when you and I were of college age and a good education cost us little or next to nothing. A few less wars would go a long to way to being able to afford this.

9. FREE BRADLEY MANNING. End the persecution and prosecution of an American hero. Bush and Cheney lied to a nation to convince us to go to war. Manning allegedly hacked the war criminals' files and then shared them with the American public (and the world) so that we could learn the truth about Iraq and Afghanistan. Our history is full of such people who "break the law" for the greater good of humanity. Army Specialist Bradley Manning deserves a medal, not prison.

10. ASK US TO DO SOMETHING. One thing is clear: none of the above is going to happen if you don't immediately mobilize the 63,500,000 who voted for you (and the other 40 million who are for you but didn't vote). You can't go this alone. You need an army of everyday Americans who will fight alongside you to make this a more just and peaceful nation. In your 2008 campaign, you were a pioneer in using social media to win the election. Over 15 million of us gave you our cell numbers or email addresses so you could send us texts and emails telling us what needed to be done to win the election. Then, as soon as you won, it was as if you hit the delete button. We never heard from you again. (Until this past year when you kept texting us to send you $25. Inspiring.) Whoever your internet and social media people were should have been given their own office in the West Wing – and we should have heard from you. Constantly. Need a bill passed? Text us and we will mobilize! The Republicans are filibustering? We can stop them! They won't approve your choice for Secretary of State? We'll see about that! You say you were a community organizer. Please – start acting like one.

The next four years can be one of those presidential terms that changed the course of America. I'm sure you will want to be judged on how you stood up for us, restored the middle class, ended the s***ting on the poor and made us a friend to the rest of the world instead of a threat. You can do this. We can do it with you. All that stands in the way is your understandable desire to sing "Kumbaya" with the Republicans. Don't waste your breath. Their professed love of America is negated by their profound hatred of you. Don't waste a minute on them. Fix the sad mess we're in. Go back and read this month's election results. We're with you.

Yours,
Michael Moore
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 12:38 pm

Thank you Arielle, I read this in my email a couple of days ago and just read it again. Maybe the most important point in the letter is:
10. ASK US TO DO SOMETHING

Keep us mobilized, write letters, sign petitions, demonstrate, call your elected officials including the president.
 

Robert S. (115)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 12:47 pm
Yes, Michael said it well. Thanks, and see you later.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 11:34 am
I was surprised to be still getting Dashboard announcements - and there was the survey which asked which issues you'd be willing to help with. So, it would appear that the President has every intention of continuing to keep us involved and working (smile).
 

Kit B. (276)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 11:46 am

I got that announcement as well, that's a smart way to go, and to keep a new "political machine" working. Keep us working and supporting ideas or causes. A good reminder that a vote is only the first step, stay involved.
 
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