Sunday June 14, 2009, 6:23 pm

PLEASE VISIT WEBSITE!

THANK YOU!

Sunday June 14, 2009, 6:31 pm

Sounds to me like they're honing their fascist tactics by "practicing" on Natives. (Like that's something new...)

Thanks so much for posting this, Kat!

Sunday June 14, 2009, 6:36 pm
that nit good thanks ket

Sunday June 14, 2009, 6:48 pm
Warped minds, how terrible. The 'government" must assume that "we the People" do not notice such nonsense and abuse.

Sunday June 14, 2009, 6:56 pm
Kat, I had just forwarded you some info on this from a friend of mine in Canada. I also passed it on to several others. The tyrannical powers seemed to have learnt well from bushCon and his regime. Now is anything that can be done?

Sunday June 14, 2009, 7:09 pm
noted i use to buy ciggarettes from them till i had a stroke and don't smoke no more

Sunday June 14, 2009, 7:09 pm
Still being oppressed after all this time.Never ceases to amaze me....

Sunday June 14, 2009, 7:18 pm
The Facists here call the rest of us Socialists. I am glad I am. We all have to be alert to what is going on, and how misinformton is sent. Look at this news artical that tells how FOX does things. Open your eyes.

http://www.alternet.org/story/140498/

Just copy and paste.

Sunday June 14, 2009, 7:33 pm
Noted. Thank you. The OPP looked quite pleased with themselves. Very unnecessary and sad. Thank you for posting.

Sunday June 14, 2009, 7:56 pm

ALSO CHECK THIS OUT:

http://www.pacificfreepress.com/news/1/4275-state-violence-on-the-fanitno-skyway-bridge.html

THANKS CAROLE!

Sunday June 14, 2009, 7:57 pm
The world has gone mad! Thanks Kat

Sunday June 14, 2009, 8:04 pm

Wanna find out if what you're reading is damaging to the "authorities?" Google this news story. NO COVERAGE by MSM! (I had to dig for something more than a blog.)

Question anything you read in the mainstream media -- it's usually government propaganda.

Sunday June 14, 2009, 8:11 pm

Also, I want to send a very special THANK YOU to Black Tiger, for alerting me to this item; and to Kat, for jumping right on it.

I love you guys!!!

Sunday June 14, 2009, 8:43 pm
The MSM is owned by Corporations.. now is when we ALL have to record these kinds of Facist attacks & Hound the Politicians until they do something & taunt the MSM to Report the Facts! No wonder newspapers are going under, they no longer Report or Investigate - Fact-Checking is apparently too "old school", now they just publish/broadcast the party lines... I believe MOST Americans would be out-raged IF they KNEW about the Continued mistreatment of Native Americans across the board.

Sunday June 14, 2009, 8:46 pm
Very noted, very happy to see this posted, and Carole is right, there is absolutely no mainstream media coverage on this insanity. I am sharing it will all I can reach. thank you.

Sunday June 14, 2009, 9:05 pm
Makes me to mad for words.

Sunday June 14, 2009, 9:33 pm
It has reached the shores of Australia now too. I send you my moral support in these difficult times. But as I understand it, the $US dollar is due to crash around the end of this year, and the Amero is due to replace it. This means that Canada, USA and Mexico will combine like the EEC has. It may be worthwhile doing some research on this, and how it may affect you.........

Sunday June 14, 2009, 9:56 pm
Sadly noted it!

Sunday June 14, 2009, 10:12 pm
As long as this war on Terror started at 9/11 is in place they can do what ever they darn well please and get away with it as the below shows -all they have to do is use propaganda and spindoctors make a few claims like cigs to kids and their U go doubt is placed and no support because they keep U confused also all they have to say is the word Terror and tehre wqe are. So Read people and weep for the America that is dying and if this keeps up Gone

It is in reference to a bill before the U.S. Congress that targets Native tobacco retailers that use the U.S. Postal Service (USPS) for delivery of product purchased on Native land. The Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking (PACT) Act makes wild claims of tens of thousands of cigarettes mailed to children, billions in lost state tax revenue, and terrorist funding through Native retailers. No hard data supports these claims but they successfully strike at the hearts of the broad American public with kids, the economy and of course TERROR.

Monday June 15, 2009, 12:23 am
No, the world has not gone mad just lazy and on Prozac. We watch quietly while our fellow citizens are beaten to death, harmed, jailed for no reason. We watch silently while our rights and rights of others are flushed down the toilet.
Just how much watching are we going to do I wonder?
There is no longer the threat of a Police State, what happens to your neighbor is now happening to you. Quit complaining, sitting silently and get off our butts and demand we get rid of those that have intentions for a slave society. It is very simple, no need for violent revolution, no need to buy a gun, but write to your senators in masses, watch, query the bills that get enforced in front of Congress by Lobbyists with their cash handouts. Demand that we get our Constitution back, it is the only thing that will protect us!

www.downsizedc.org Read the Bills Act One Item at a Time Bill

Monday June 15, 2009, 12:59 am
noted and forwarded to others off of Care 2.
Thank you Kat & Carole....your awesome!

Monday June 15, 2009, 1:31 am
FANTINO’S SKYWAY BRIDGE BLOOD BATH TO GET EVEN WITH MOHAWKS – Is martial law here?

MNN. June 13, 2009. Commissioner Julian Fantino of the Ontario Provincial Police has a longstanding personal grudge against the Mohawks of Tyendinaga. He wanted to show his power and what he’ll do to anybody who stands up to fascism. The OPP struck suddenly early Thursday morning on June 11th. No news coverage. No pictures. It was calculated to splatter blood everywhere to send a message on how he will treat Mohawks, Indigenous or anyone who wants to demonstrate peacefully. The premeditated plan was to hurt people, draw blood and wash it down quickly. What sharp deadly instruments did they use to draw so much blood? Where have they hidden them?

Dissent has been outlawed in Ontario. They don’t want a public inquiry. They want the OPP to be exonerated. The cops came from outside the area so the locals could not recognize them. They could be special forces or commandos trained to maim and inflict injuries that terrorize the victims. This is worse than being tasered or beaten by a baton. Their orders came from some outside agency untraceable to politicians or Parliamentary scrutiny. Did it come from the Pentagon or Camp Petawawa or Fort Drum in NYS? Are elite soldiers using us to train on how to strike quickly and leave without a trace?

The Ipperwash inquiry established the principle that politicians cannot order such attacks. An unsigned letter from the Mohawk Nation Council of Chiefs or a press communiquι from the Tyendinaga Council or a letter from the Akwesasne Council are political. Using them as official authorization is illegal. The police can only enforce the law, not to push the orders of a politician.

The Mohawks were passing out information to support our people at Akwesasne who don’t want gun toting agents in our communities. They were standing side by side with the police at the Skyway Bridge.

The police had blockades at both ends of the Skyway Bridge. The squad knew we had no weapons. Chief Tim Thompson of Akwesasne went to Ottawa to speak on Parliament Hill. Minister of Indian Affairs Chuck Strahl, NDP leader Jack Layton and Gilles Duceppe of the Bloc Quebecois were there.

Jim Potts wrote a report on how to deal with us called, Nonce: Policing and Aboriginal Occupations and Protests, 2005. We are viewed as criminals for questioning their authority and jurisdiction.

The key ingredient is for the police and other military organizations to stand back at first. Different people in the community are recruited to be liaisons with the police and military, and to keep tabs on the people for them. They articulate the cops’ position of wanting everybody to tow the line and walk in lock step with the totalitarian regime that is being set up. Blame and suspicion are cast on community members.

It’s a how to on how cops can brutalize people and not be prosecuted. It’s to stop people from exercising their legal rights to peaceful demonstrations, which is a basic right in a democracy.

Apparently the government is worried that our greater well-being and higher education will generate a greater level of sensitivity that the state wants to keep in check. More sophisticated Indigenous can articulate our grievances. The government and police are looking for other ways to suppress us. Brute force has become a main option.

At Tyendinaga the armed para-military officers arrived en masse by the hundreds. They carried out a military style “shock and awe” attack against unarmed civilians. No questions asked and no qualms about inflicting bodily harm.

Military goons sent in to beat us up is illegal. Has secret legislation been passed to do this? Was this a military decision because the government has designated us as insurgents and terrorists? This operation was meant to eliminate dissent as part of martial law. People will not be allowed to protect themselves in the new world order.

According to the Smart Borders agenda and other agreements under NorthCom, the Canadian police and military are controlled by the Pentagon. Is that why Liberal Party leader Michael Ignatieff is afraid to speak? Can he or anybody be designated as an insurgent for not going along with the program? The message is that when the roundup is done, those who question the Prime Ministers Office could be taken away in the paddy wagon.

In 1997 the New York State Troopers wanted blood at Onondaga. They attacked over 100 people during a tobacco ceremony. The state searched for those troopers who hate Indians so much that they volunteered to smash heads, including women, children and even a baby in a stroller. 12 years later we refuse to take money to settle. We want the trial of the NYS troopers and the NYS handpicked pseudo Confederacy Chiefs who sent them in.

How many OPP or soldiers were questioned as to their level of anger and innate prejudice against Indigenous? Were they offered extra money as mercenaries to smash our heads or just because they hate us? Did Fantino find them? Or were they soldiers who came to search and destroy?

Some kind of law suit should be taken against this brutality. If no one holds them accountable, they will start smelling blood. They will only be satisfied when they see more. A handpicked hired gun was sent in to murder Dudley George at Ipperwash in 1995. Now, like vampires they want to drink Mohawk blood so they can sprout wings and terrorize everybody. Watch out! The police state has arrived. [See photos of attack http://letstalknativepride.blogspot.com/]

Kahentinetha MNN Mohawk Nation News, www.mohawknationnews.com kahentinetha2@yahoo.com Go to MNN “BORDER” category for more stories;

Monday June 15, 2009, 4:52 am
Noted. Thanks for the news. I thought we were above this. This story is in the mainstream news but it is sanitized and slanted. Check out this link. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090612/OTT_Protest_Dismantle_090612/20090612?hub=Canada.

Monday June 15, 2009, 5:03 am
The time honoured ceremonial usage of Tobbacco as medecine and as enlightenment tool[peace pipe]is the target of the NWO government here in Canada and the USA.If the WHO/NWO can just declare a worldwide pandenmic
without anyone noticing, there-by giving permission for the future slaughter of all people indigenous or not why not go after tobbacco and
vitamins and the list goes on......without notice or justification.
The Elders remember when the Queen sent Colborne and his henchmen to reduce the population of the natives in North America from 55 million to
a few hundred thousand.[What no holocaust?]
We are all inhabitants of this planet and will exist in PEACE.However we will ALL have to choose to do what is RIGHT or sit back and let the NWO
government take us away to ???.
Wake up Save Our Earth Now! Open your sleepy eyes from the drug induced[air,water,food]coma that is our current reality.

We are here to make change.Right? Think, say and above all...DO something!

Monday June 15, 2009, 11:25 am
Kill the Indian and save the man is the theme across Turtle island,Little is known about the American indian or what links the human soul.When the last Redman is wiped-out,the Earth shall weep and it will be the end of mankind..

Monday June 15, 2009, 2:56 pm
Cool Kat (no pun intended), once again you amaze moi. I remember Wounded Knee, that should anger us to stand-up and be counted. If we do not, when those same corporations do that to us, we'll all wonder why...

Monday June 15, 2009, 3:23 pm
The tale of the slaughter at Wounded Knee in South Dakota is [an] example too well known to require detailed repeating here, but what is less well known about that massacre is that, a week and a half before it happened, the editor of the South Dakota's Aberdeen Saturday Pioneer -- a gentle soul named L. Frank Baum, who later became famous as the author of The Wizard of Oz -- urged the wholesale extermination of all America's native peoples: "The nobility of the Redskin is extinguished, and what few are left are a pack of whining curs who lick the hand that smites them. The Whites, by law of conquest, by justice of civilization, are masters of the American continent, and the best safety of the frontier settlements will be secured by the total annihilation of the few remaining Indians. Why not annihilation? Their glory has fled, their spirit broken, their manhood effaced; better that they should die than live the miserable wretches that they are.":

David E. Stannard

So offensive and racist, yet it's still the mentality in the Americas. It must be fought by all possible means.

Monday June 15, 2009, 4:19 pm

I thank you, and my ancestors agree, for your insight, Brigitte!

The injustices must not be dwelled upon, nor ever forgotten. We need to quit asking for understanding -- it's obvious that self-serving greed will not allow that -- but "justice" is due.

JUSTICE is fair.

Monday June 15, 2009, 4:47 pm
I must ask forgiveness for what I am about to post. When my tour with the 82nd Airborne was ended in 09/63, laid my weapon down and vowed the only time I would never pick my weapon up again unless My life was in grave danger (actually I have a "Big Stick" I have used rarely, but is still right behind my front door; or the life of a loved one or member of my family. In my eyes, the Mohawk Nation is family. Just as the Lokota, as is the Cherokee Nation. To die for oneself is meaningless, but to die protecting a Brother or Sister must and will be vindicated. For that, I will gladly side with our true family and defend them with anything and everything within my means! I can not sit by and watch them suffer any longer -- I will fight and will kill any man who dares invade onto their sacred land. Gung Ho is a chinese word meaning with great spirit. My Great Creator will stand by me if killing becomes necessary -- I don't give a rat's ass what our so-called laws say. And still at sixty-five, I can pick-off a rodent running at 300-meters. But as I always say, violence solves nothing. It is either them or my family. And I am not afraid to die for a just cause, my fear has always been dying without a just cause. ~Peace~

Monday June 15, 2009, 5:39 pm
I don't know what politics are in play in Canada, or on the reservations in the USA for that matter.. I've never been able to prove any Native American blood in my ancestral lines, though I wish I could. I've always had great empathy with them. And it became fashionable in the 60's.. I think most baby boomers have read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, and I made my kids read my copy when they were teens..
I always thought if the tribes united as a political Union that they could force a change. I know that's never been successful Before (otherwise my people would've been forced back to Germany!), but this is the 21st Century & communications are better/faster.. what if Every Protest was attended by Representatives of Every tribe? Co-ops could fund the sending of 2 or more Representatives (with Camera phones, camcorders, etc.) to every protest called by any tribe.. the Media would HAVE to Pay Attention then!!!

Monday June 15, 2009, 5:43 pm

Very wise words, dear Yvonne. Hopefully, more will realize that wisdom and band together.

Because, just as Americans are being purposely distracted, any group united for a common cause becomes weak when fractured by smaller diversions.

Monday June 15, 2009, 11:18 pm
I agree with you Yvonne W.It's a great idea,but I believe the US.govt wants to keep-us divided and bickering among each other.It was his plan along,and he loves it.Even the political prisoner.Leonard P.is stll locked-up.But we still have spiritual powers which can't be seen or destroyed,to be continued....

Tuesday June 16, 2009, 10:52 am
BOOBY TRAPPED ROAD TO FASCISM

MNN. June 14 2009. Fascism is when the oligarchs put together enough force to enslave society in the interests of a few. It starts with fervent nationalism. Scapegoats are picked. Genocide is planned. Properties, authority and resources are seized. Territory is expanded.

THE LEADER is charismatic and backed by huge corporations. He’s an ideologue with an uncompromising belief system. He seizes power and directs the state to implement his ideas on how the world should operate. He becomes the supreme commander of the armed forces and the high court until a new election is called, if ever.

A strong central government is created under a hard line paternalistic leader. Appointees must submit to him. Rivals are silenced or eliminated through wild unfounded accusations and smear campaigns. Members of the government vote in favor of these measures in return for protection. Otherwise they could be barred from attending sessions.

The constitution is suspended by declaring emergencies. Checks and balances are removed. No questions can be asked. Power is exercised through emergency decrees blamed on an unworkable parliament or congress. Laws and decrees are passed to protect the dictator from criticism, corruption charges, criminal activities and abuse of power. His term becomes indefinite.

Other parties are banned or dissolved. State and provincial governments are abolished.

MILITARY AND PARA MILITARY power takes over the national police and military. Old army officers and reserves are called into service. Stockwell Day suggested that all agents and government employees wear uniforms.

SCAPEGOATS are created. Some are attacked and almost beaten to death. Public anger and frustration are focused on one target who have been labeled terrorists or insurgents to cause hysteria. The military takes them out of the civil court system, i.e. Guantanamo Bay. Their communities are boycotted. Agents are sent in to vandalize their properties and make them look bad. Strict penalties are set for anyone who conducts alleged phony “economic sabotage” such as protecting the environment, resources and territories.

PROPAGANDA is brainwashing to support the views of the fascists. The occult or forced conversion to one world religion causes confusion, conformist thinking and escapism. Non-followers can’t get jobs or food or services.

Media and access to information is controlled.

Small groups are infiltrated, especially the youth. Obama has created a youth corps to keep an eye on their parents and neighbors. A snitch line has been set up like the 911, Crime Stoppers and hot lines to spy on anyone anonymously.

Party supporters are sent out to distribute information and to recruit. Frequent meetings are held to feed into the frightened state of mind in troubled times.

Public meetings are stormed. Declarations are made. Destruction of opponents is demanded. Suggestions are made to set up or support a new strict government. Organizers cause dissention inside dissident groups.

Agents set up a coup-like atmosphere like marches and demonstrations. They wear out the people and give police and military practice in controlling and scaring the public.

The state makes decisions over peoples’ lives and gathers information from the cradle to the grave. Microchips from central data banks contain information on medical records, licenses, education, social services, travel, etc.
AN ECONOMIC depression is created. If the head of Bank of Canada or Bank of America disagree with the emperor, they are replaced.

Local business interests are forced to cooperate with the fascists. Large multinational companies like Wal Mart are brought in to destroy small businesses.

Appeals are made to the working class, petit bourgeois like bank clerks, middle management and those who are ambitious. They see fascism as a way to rise up in the system and become heads in the new regime. Industrialists, monarchists and the monied class fanatically support fascism. Foreign collaborators, rich authoritarians, opportunists, media moguls and business men finance the party.

Labor unions are brought under control or wiped out.

Economic engineering includes debt flotation and military expansion. Financing is based on currency manipulation including credit debts. High unemployment is maintained. Arms production is accelerated. Built are dams, highways, railroads and civic works like prisons, labor camps and holding facilities for indefinite periods.

More cops are hired. Court workers and judicial officers are increased. Legal aid, social assistance, housing and other social services are cut. Child welfare agencies are given more power to seize children. Prison sentences are longer. Control mechanisms include more probation officers, judicial supervision, conditional sentences and supervisory court orders.

Women stay home. The state takes the kids. The Fuhrer becomes their father. The standard of living is kept down. Wages are reduced. People are told to make sacrifices for the mother land.

AGGRESSIVE LAW AND ORDER campaigns are started to keep the fascists in power. Periodic demonstrations like the Nuremberg rallies are set up so the head honcho can give long confusing public speeches.

HABEAS CORPUS is suspended. Freedom of speech and assembly are suppressed.

REVOLUTIONARY DEALS are kept secret. The people have to be kept asleep so they don’t ask questions.

PRETEXT EVENTS are staged like 911 to justify bringing in anti terrorism laws and repressive measures to take away liberty in the name of security.

FOOD RATIONING is established. Hydroponic centers chemically produce food to replace farmers.

EUGENICS - Get rid of “Useless eaters”, anyone who refuses to become part of the laboring or slave class is dispensed with. Pressure is put on people by limiting access to their needs.

WAR - Adjacent territories are taken over and become protectorates as part of empire building. Everybody becomes a citizen of the world under one global order. Cultures and languages are wiped out. Americans and their supporters declare themselves to be carrying out their manifest destiny.

Government must appear to be moderate. Everybody else is being stubborn. While they call for peace, these inhuman tyrants start small local conflicts before going into a large war. If you think this is a conspiracy theory, it’s already happening. Look for yourself!

Kahentinetha MNN Mohawk Nation News, www.mohawknationnews.com

Tuesday June 16, 2009, 12:07 pm
The Mohawk Nation has been dealing with (as other First Nations) the arbitrary division of their land, dealing with prejudice and violence on both sides.

Today people are hysterical about the possible reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine, claiming it will infringe on Freedom of Speech. Supposedly, our media are fair and balanced !

So, why then, is this story, with its abuses and injustice NOT BEING COVERED ? The Mohawks have been dealing with these outrages for years. Thanks, Kat for spreading the word.

Tuesday June 16, 2009, 12:59 pm

The Fairness Doctrine would NOT force MSM to cover all news . . . It WOULD, however, make it much more difficult for small publishers (such as the one who DID cover this issue) to present ANY news.

All the Fairness Doctrine would do is to STOP news outlets from presenting coverage of certain issues; especially, smaller ones, who would have to use much smaller budgets and press time making sure that both viewpoints were presented.

Right now, many of us rely on alternative media for news that is not covered by MSM. The "Unfairness" Doctrine would only stifle them further. We must protect freedom of speech by making sure that its expression is not bogged down with red tape, serving in the end only to silence some.

Tuesday June 16, 2009, 2:01 pm
From: WomenDiverseOrigins
Jun 15, 2009
Solidarity message and Open Letter from Women Of Diverse Origins

OPEN LETTER TO THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT AND SOLIDARITY MESSAGE TO THE
HAUDENAUSAUNEE WOMEN OF AKWESASNE, TYENDINAGA AND SISTER COMMUNITIES

We, women of the Montreal-based, March 8th Coordination and Action
Committee of Women of Diverse Origins (WDO) express our profound
solidarity with the Haudenausaunee women and their communities as they
struggle to stop the ongoing annexation and illegal occupation of
their un-surrendered lands. We extend our deepest respect to th! e
Haudenausaunee people of Akwesasne who have courageously defied the
Harper government's plan to arm the Canadian Border Services Agency
(CBSA) border guards at the Kahwehnoke border crossing (Cornwall
Island).

We ardently denounce the brutal attack and vicious arrests of members
of the Tyendinaga Mohawk community on June 12, 2009, who were standing
in solidarity with the community of Akwesasne by blocking access to
the local Skyway bridge in Southern Ontario to demand that the Federal
Government enter into meaningful discussions with the community of
Akwesasne.

The Canadian state has been built on violence against Onkwehonwe women
and their families -- sexual violence, genocide and on-going colonial
repression. Harassment by border guards against Akwesasne community
members is only a recent form of aggression in a long history of
colonialism. Hundreds of complaints have been filed against the CBSA
for incidents like ! conducting a cavity search on a teenager,
subjecting a preg! nant woman to repeated x-rays and interrogating
children after forcibly removing them from the care of adult family
members. The position of the Federal Government that it refuses any
discussion with the community of Akwesasne is ludicrous and will only
engender further mistrust and frustration.

We, Women of Diverse Origins, support the call for the Federal
Government to enter into meaningful discussions with the community of
Akwesasne. Moreover, we, insist that the Canadian government respect
the people of Akwesasne's demand to NOT arm the CBSA border guards at
the Kahwehnoke border crossing. We demand that the Canadian government
respect Indigenous sovereignty and Indigenous people's right to
self-determination.

We demand that the community members of Tyendinaga, who face
criminalization for standing in solidarity with their sister community
be released immediately and that all charges be dropped.

WDO brings togethe! r feminist, migrant justice and women's groups, and
individuals as to organise International Women's day events celebrated
on March 8th, from an anti-imperialist, anti-capitalist,
anti-patriarchal, anti-colonial and anti-racist perspective. We are
women who are committed to a peace that brings genuine justice and
freedom for all, and a peace that flourishes in a world without
interpersonal or state violence. Solidarity is paramount to this
commitment. We believe that solidarity transcends borders, and that
mutual respect in the struggle for justice brings about a society
without violence against women and our communities. As Women of
diverse origins, many of us, our families and communities have faced
the brutality of border guards when attempting to migrate with
dignity, after being forced off our lands by governments and corporate
interests that cater to the global free-market economies. We
acknowledge that the struggle, for our d! ignity, as (im)migrants,
second-generation immigrants and as non-Nat! ive women, must be built in
solidarity with Indigenous struggles for justice. We believe that
these ties make us stronger and reinforce the struggle against the
colonisation of your lands. We therefore extend our solidarity and
support to the Haudenausaunee women, who have for years, courageously
been risking their lives in self-defence of their land and
communities. We understand that these decisions are not taken lightly,
but that a stand must be taken for your communities and the
generations to come.

We stand with Akwesasne, in your struggle against the arming of CBSA
border guards and with Tyendinaga in your solidarity with sister
communities and your struggle for self-determination. We recognise
that a stand made by Indigenous communities against racism and
colonial violence is a stand made for humanity.

In solidarity and sisterhood,

The March 8th Coordination and Action Committee, Women of Diverse Origins
Mon! treal, 14 June 2009

comite8mars@gmail.com

Wednesday June 17, 2009, 10:42 am
What happened to free speech, angrily noted, thanks Kat