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His Name Is Culebro, He Was Burned in the Square of Medinaceli, Late on the the Night of Nov 13.....


Animals  (tags: shocking cruelty, suffering, sadistic tradition, VILE! )

Pam
- 1502 days ago - heraldodesoria.es
From the translation - 'Culebro', about 450 kilos in weight, the ancient fortress met last night was mandated mission in the main square of Medina and had his horns glow for 1,260 seconds.



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Comments

Pam F. (227)
Saturday November 13, 2010, 10:44 pm
PLEASE COMMENT ON THE SITE - "your opinion matters"....(Tu opinión nos interesa)

The comments are not posted immediately - there are none there yet - it will be interesting to if OUR opinions do indeed matter!

Whether or not they are published, I feel it's important to let them know how we, CIVILISED people, view this barbarity! I didn't think of it at the time I posted my comment, but it might be a good idea to state our country, let them see that the world is becoming ever more aware of this atrocity!
 

JOAN MASSETTI (11)
Saturday November 13, 2010, 10:46 pm
SICK & DEPRAVED.................LA MORTA TO TRADITION
 

Roseann d. (178)
Saturday November 13, 2010, 10:46 pm
Sadists...for a follow-up, the b*stards that do this should know how this feels...See what big brave men they are then.
 

Michel Michaeljohn (3)
Saturday November 13, 2010, 11:37 pm
Godless; pagan; satanic...
This is a "violent slap" across the face of God.
 

Michel Michaeljohn (3)
Saturday November 13, 2010, 11:45 pm
Godless; pagan; satanic...
This is a "violent slap" across the face of God.
Michel Michaeljohn; California; United States.
 

Catherine Turley (193)
Saturday November 13, 2010, 11:51 pm
done. hope it worked.
 

Janet Nelson (11)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 12:12 am
Noted and hope something can be done to stop this very sad a nd cruel abuse. Thank you.
 

NIKY NINA (49)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 12:33 am
omg this is so brutal insenstive and cruel....don't i ever hear again about human beings been civilised...shame shame shame...
 

gail dair (0)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 1:40 am
noted ty
 

AwayMerryXmas H. (274)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 1:41 am
Left my angry comment. Wake up, Spain!! Thank you, Pam.
 

Mari Thelander (27)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 2:46 am
This was my comment for the Heraldo de Soria newspaper:
"Los estadounidenses están consternados y profundamente entristecidos por esta crueldad extrema y sin sentido a los animales."
"Americans are shocked and deeply saddened by this extreme and senseless cruelty to animals."
(Thank you to translate.google.com--my Spanish isn't THAT good!!)
 

Anne T. (287)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 2:55 am
Thanks Pam.
Have just left my comments.
I guess it was just too much to hope that it might have been canceled at the last minute :(
 

Mari Thelander (27)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 3:02 am
The article in the Heraldo de Soria says his horns "glowed" for 21 minutes. What happened after the 21 minutes? Maybe they put the fire out and let him live? One can only hope.
 

Mari Thelander (27)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 3:08 am
Here's what bugs me, of the little press information that is available so far: the (translated) headline of the Heraldo de Soria's story reads:
"'Culebro', emotion and tradition together in a unique and unforgettable celebration!!"
It sounds like they're praising it!!! And the press is supposed to be objective!!!
 

. (3)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 3:20 am
Comments left and accepted, thank you Pam.

Culebro was real to all of us last night, who knew what was to come. We could see him and feel him, see his breath in the night air, feel his panic. We wanted to save him, to be there for him if we couldn't save him, to show these people that we know - that we know what they do - and all those signatures on paper, we are real too. There are many of us who have been in tears over and over at this cruelty.

This strange little place in the backwaters of Spain, a tiny population in the tiniest province of Soria, has caused immeasurable pain to many. Maybe they are proud. Maybe they are arrogant. We say this to them.

We remain, we continue, we fight on through every channel possible - our petition, the media, the EU, whatever it takes - to bring an end to this.

Good will triumph over evil. We are not the voices in the wilderness. We are many, and we are strong. This atrocity has been stopped before. It will be stopped again.
 

Pam F. (227)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 3:37 am
Excellent comment, Mari.
And the press is most certainly praising this vile thing - if you expect the Soria press to be objective, you're doomed to disappointment :(

There is no footage of this year's burning yet - but take a look at this from last year -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgDhOvy6NwY

Do you think that the bull's horns simply "glowed"?

and - this is from an article from PACMA -

""Bocos noted that the bull will not go to the burn unit after the said place celebration tonight but I'll put in a pen "with terrible pain and burns" and reused in other festivities."

I think death would be a merciful release - but they don' t even allow him that small mercy......they are obviously completely devoid of humanity or compassion.

Just see what the awful travesty of a human being mayor Utrilla is planning now - from the same website

"Utrilla plans to create an interpretive center about the Toro de Fuego

The mayor of Medina, Felipe Utrilla, advanced yesterday during the run of the celebration of the Toro de Fuego, which the City plans to create a museum Medinan on this tradition. "

That site is also taking comments, if anyone is inclined...

http://www.heraldodesoria.es/index.php/mod.noticias/mem.detalle/idnoticia.59661
 

Anne T. (287)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 4:02 am
The videos are begining to appear of this vile event.
If anyone doubts the brutality of this horror, take a look at the videos, as Pam said- to say the horns merely "Glow" is absurd!!!

Medinaceli Videos-2010
 

Jocelyn Koopmann (90)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 4:37 am
Poor bulls that live in these so called Religious country. Have they no shame? NO they don't just looking after their so called pleasure. Maybe they don't think animals feel pain & fear. Disgusting. Thanks Pam.
 

Valerie H. (136)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 5:20 am
My hearts just breaks for this poor animal....may whomever was involved in this barbaric 'event'...rot in hell! !!!!!!!!!!!
 

Esther S. (45)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 5:38 am
I went to the translation website that Pam sent me and I tried to post a comment in response to Miguel but I kept getting a message that wasn't translated into English (and I couldn't translate it) that seemed to be stating that something was incorrect. I tried to make sure that I filled in and clicked everything but it didn't help. I don't know what was wrong.
 

Laura H. (903)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 6:11 am
May the evil sadistic bastards burn in hell.
This 'tradition' makes me SICK because IT is SICK.
 

Maura Graham (37)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 6:54 am
Comment submitted and accepted. Thank you dear Pam
 

Cherida Hivale (73)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 7:18 am
Sickening and saddening - I left a comment, but it hasnt shown up as yet. I will never vsit - not as long as this barbarism continues. I cannot even begin to imagine the pain Culebro felt.
 

Michela m. (3954)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 7:21 am
SHAME ON SPAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE ARE IN "2010!!! NOT in 1700!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE ALL AND ALL OUR FRIENDS AND FRIENDS OF FRIENDS DO NOT WANT TO COME TO SPAIN AS LONG AS THESE ABUSES ARE DONE TO BULLS!!!!!!!!! THIS REFERS ALSO TO BULL FIGHTS (CORRIDAS DE TOROS).
A "CIVILIZED" COUNTRY CANNOT PERSIST WITH THESE OBSCENE "FEASTS" and "ENTERTAINMENTS"!!!!!!!!!!!
SHAME ON SPAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Michela Messineo from Roma, ITALY
 

Ken L. (74)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 7:36 am
I feel ashamed to have you as my neigbouring country Spain.
You are not a civilized country yet and probably never will be.
 

Jill Vickerman (425)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 7:43 am
I feel so ashamed of my fellow human beings...how could anyone do something so horrific, and how could all those people just stand by.
 

chris b. (2474)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 8:01 am
The souls of the sadistic perpetrators of this abomination will burn in hell!
 

Thomas C. (116)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 8:08 am
Preferably extremely slowly and for aons of time!!
 

Karen B. (84)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 8:17 am
Medina,
I don't know what to say to you, would anything I could possibly say even come close to getting through to you?
I would venture to say "NO', if watching that magnificent, sentient creature of God in total pain and anguish didn't stir a shred of compassion and humanity in your hearts, what could ?
Whereever you travel in this world, for your sake do not mention that you are from Medina . . . . . . . .
 

Pamylle G. (463)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 8:26 am
Pagan practice ? Well, EXCUSE ME, Michel, but some ugly religious prejudice is showing; Spain is a country of CATHOLICS ! Cruelty is an equal opportunity behavior - and so is compassion.

Sadly noted. Poor Culebro !
 

Liliana D. (124)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 8:29 am
Noted, thanks Pam. I can only hope that I will live the day when all barbarism covered by the word "tradition" will be eradicated.
 

Tarequl M. (170)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 8:30 am
Shame, sadly noted.
 

Astro S. (19)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 8:36 am
I am SO PISSED right now!! I wrote an email to the proper authorities, and what I got back was shameful!! Their response was, (and I'm paraphrasing): "This event follows are animal welfare regulations..." Which is CLEARLY B.S.!!! I'm sorry, I never curse on here but this just makes me SICK TO MY STOMACH!!! The poor thing, I can't even beleive it...
 

Astro S. (19)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 8:45 am
*P.S. I left my comment in Spanish. (using Google translator) I want them to fully understand the severity of this barbaric crime in their own language!!
 

MARY D. (158)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 9:05 am
You can see he is scared....I noted and commented on the site. Completely unacceptable!!
 

. (0)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 9:07 am
The poor thing! No wonder they are so mad when they get into the ring!!
 

Kathleen M. (0)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 9:25 am
What a disgusting scene. If this were an accident or barn fire, it would break our hearts but to know that "humans" (?) put this poor creature through this horrific pain on purpose, for entertainment, makes any sane person doubt the decency of the Spanish people.
Kathleen, California-United States of America
 

Patricia Myers (77)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 9:31 am
HAVE NO WORDS LEFT FOR THIS USELESS&HORRIBLE TORTURE&CRUELTY VERY SADLY NOTED PAM
 

Esther S. (45)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 9:53 am
Well I finally was able to get my comment posted. However the last sentence of my comment is not accurate. I asked him if it would be okay if someone tortured him in the same way that the bull was tortured. In the last sentence of my comment, it showed it as if I had asked if it would be okay if he tortured someone else. Translation problem????
I also posted another comment in response to another comment of his but I haven't seen it yet.
 

Kelly Levans (7)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 10:08 am
This stuff just sucks. I understand tradition and culture, but surely they can find a way to celebrate that without animal cruelty.
 

Kathy Chadwell (365)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 10:25 am
Noted, posted to myspace.
I have no words to describe my anger over this sadistic evil act put on my thousands of cowards with nobody having a spine to step up and say this is wrong.
 

Jeannette A. (146)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 10:29 am
I signed with the comment:
"You cannot defend this tradition on the basis of any other cruelty in the world. If it is OK to burn a bull, is it OK to burn a child if that is my tradition? OF COURSE NOT!!! Cruelty is cruelty and unacceptable in any society that is civilized! Remember, you have the tradition of the Spanish Inquisition... so does that make it all right to put religious dissenters on the rack? Do not shame yourself by hiding behind the rights of "traditions"... be honorable and stop this torture and murder."
I did not see my comment posted although I fill out all the requested information.... will be interesting to see if it took.
 

Kathy Chadwell (365)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 10:31 am
Su comentario ha sido enviado. Una vez aceptado, recibirá un correo electrónico confirmando su publicación

I haven't received anything by email yet to confirm this. Sooo is that what this is saying:)
 

Kathy Chadwell (365)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 10:35 am
It hates me,,, took me 5 times before it showed up that I noted this:(
 

Anne K. (134)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 10:50 am
Visited site and left comment. Set all the human participants on fire. This is indefensible. It is brutal torture causing agony to an innocent being. It's a horrific crime, not a "festival".
 

Krasimira B. (175)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 10:56 am
Yes, Spain have a big problem to solve... Sadly noted, thank you Pam for posting and Genoveva for forwarding.

My comment: "Miguel, here we don't speak about the USA or the UK. We are speaking about torturing and burning bulls alive in Spain. These practice cast a dark reflection on the image of your country. I am 100% agree with you about the arrogance of the USA and UK foreign policy. But the comments here are from ordinary people like you and me.

Victor, I boikott foie gras, fast food and many more from years. This is my way to pay respect to animals. Krasimira Buyuklieva-Darzeva from Bulgaria."
 

Ravyn Skies (91)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 11:22 am
Noted with outright disgust!!! And cross-posted!!!
 

Cindy C. (125)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 11:30 am
oh my goodness me how sadistic and evil of them to do this to innocent animals?????????????????
 

linda b. (190)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 11:49 am
I found that picture trully upsetting, and that poor bull's suffering must've been hell,it makes me sick to my stomach that so called human beings could stand by and watch this evil. God will judge these evil peple by their henious actions and i hope they burn in hell. God help these poor bulls. Thank you Pam.
 

Angelika R. (144)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 11:52 am
This despicable "tradition" is a barbaric act of inhumanity leaving the civilized world in a shock. I wish that this tragedy be brought to the attention of King Juan Carlos and Queen Sophia and ask their public statement as to why such horific practices are still allowed in their country. There is no room in the European Union for memberstates with such unacceptable practices. I demand that this be ended for good.
Angelika Roll
Berlin, Germany

I hope you all checked the box for agreeing to their privacy terms !?
If your comments are reviewed and approved they'll notify you with an email, it says
 

Vida R. (21)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 12:27 pm
I left a comment...I doubt they will publish it.
As for telling the royalty, most of them are in favour of these horrific tortures, like bullfighting and hunting.
Please tell all spanish people you know to vote for PACMA in the next elections. They are a voice of the animals.
http://www.pacma.es/
 

Krasimira B. (175)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 12:57 pm
Agree with Angelika Roll: "I wish that this tragedy be brought to the attention of King Juan Carlos and Queen Sophia and ask their public statement as to why such horific practices are still allowed in their country."

You cannot currently send a star to Angelika because you have done so within the last week.
 

Kim O. (398)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 12:57 pm
Thanks Pam!! I commented and hope it worked!! I don't understand Spanish very well! I think it worked! What a disgusting "tradition". Many tears for this beautiful bull that didn't understand or deserve this horror.
 

Robert O. (12)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 1:26 pm
Terrible!
 

Esther S. (45)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 1:42 pm
They posted my second comment! I now clicked to have them post my 3rd comment.
 

Janet R. (34)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 1:42 pm
I thought the bullfighting was horrible; this is worse. I can't believe people still do barbaric acts like this in the 21st century; mind blowing. I left a comment about this disgusting barbaric display of torment to the poor bull but so far, it hasn't shown up. Bastards, I have no interest in visiting Spain ever.
 

Pam F. (227)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 2:03 pm
Many thanks to all you lovely people who have posted comments ON THE SITE (green "visit site" button!)

I find it hard to believe there are no normal decent human beings in Medinaceli who are as disgusted and outraged by this as everyone else - but going by the demonic behaviour of those creatures in the videos, and the abusive and offensive comments on the site, I would imagine they would be far too afraid - and indeed, who could blame them!

Vote#1 PACMA! I would if I could, Vida!
 

ElenaNoFwdsPls M. (130)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 2:03 pm
It'd be great to put all those who enjoy watching this cruelty and those who support it or consider it acceptable
into the gas chamber and get rid of them!
 

Patrizia S. (315)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 2:25 pm
Noted with outright disgust!!! And cross-posted!!!
 

Marilyn M. (142)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 2:44 pm
Sadly noted. Thank you, Pam.
 

Melody Aragorn (135)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 2:48 pm
Culebro...
My brother May you rest in peace..

To each of the people who were a part of this horrible act..
Do you treat them this way because you think of them weak…?
Did the bull or its family come to fight with you….?
Did any of you silent witnesses get anything for watching this?
Today, it’s just a, you know, a bull! Tomorrow it could be YOU!!

Tradition when blind fills room for ignorance…
Why are animals hurt in traditions...? Animals aren’t commodities they are life.
There is no pride in simply burning a horn of a bull. And killing him in the end… well that’s a CRIME…

Each of you who are a part of this, look deep into your hearts and witness.
Its not the bull you wish to hurt, it’s each of you deep inside...
Did you ever realize that animals too have life, are a part of a family and have Rights…?
For me animals are a part of my family as much as I am a part of theirs...
You killed a brother of mine… one you can never bring back …

Take pride and choose to save lives…Be civilized humans.. Save them, Care for them and Let them live their lives…

If the tradition must go on then why don’t each of you Spaniards set them free? For how would you continue this tradition if there aren’t anymore bulls….
“Be the Pride of the world” by setting an example …Say no to harming an animal…treat life the way you wish to be treated.. Be proud Spaniards the Right way..

Learn from them don’t take them to be weak…
They never, stole your land or fought wars, with you…
Or hurt you in any manner..
All they did was, they Gave and Gave, their space, their land, their homes, their families, etc……., they teach you to live each day as it comes with pride and free in the same world in harmony…

Strange either ban such traditions or on that day set them free
Respect life for Today, it’s just a, you know, a bull! Tomorrow it could be YOU!!

LIVE AND LET LIVE..
Peace...
 

Laverne Wallace (59)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 2:50 pm
Done. I hope it does some good.
 

. (0)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 3:02 pm
This is the comment I posted:

Only those without a conscience, without compassion, without empathy, without ethics or morals would celebrate the painful torture of an innocent and defensless animal and that makes such people not only barbaric, uncivilized, sub-human but also very evil. All animals including human animals (yes, that is right, human are animals as well) are made of blood and bones and can feel pain. And by the way the horns of the bull DO NOT GLOW, they BURN. To top it off the poor animal is left to suffer with extreme pain to be used again for the same evil atrocity instead of at very least killing the animal to put it out of its misery. From Australia.
 

Julie P. (55)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 3:09 pm
HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE.
How can they do such a thing?
 

Janet G. (109)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 3:40 pm
Very sick, the sick are apparently the people that run the country! Yikes, scary to think this is allowed anywhere on the earth.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 3:46 pm
Noted and hope something can be done to stop this cruelty.
 

Aletta Kraan (146)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 4:22 pm
Too cruel for words !!!!
 

Michel Michaeljohn (3)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 4:38 pm
The Toro de Jubilo (Bull of Fire) is a grotesque spectacle that draws protests and tourism boycotts from around the world. Yet it continues to annually occur in Medinaceli, a province of Soria, Spain.

In light of the recent (July 2010) ban on bullfighting in Spain's northeastern Catalonia region, I find it shocking that officials in Soria still let jeering mobs taunt a bull with balls of burning tar or turpentine affixed to his horns. Caked in mud from legs to forehead, the animal slowly scorches. Some smash into walls to escape hours of agony.

"Some traditions can't remain frozen in time as society changes," Catalonian nationalist Jose Rull said when legislators voted to ban bullfighting. The Toro de Jubilo is frozen in time -- an archaic and senseless brutalization of animals.

Please permanently cancel the Bull of Fire throughout Spain. I urge officials to enforce laws that shield animals from all forms of abuse, including vulgar rituals and blood fiestas.

Different cultures may not understand unique customs, but everyone recognizes animal cruelty. Heritage, entertainment, art and religion never justify outright "torture."

Michel Michaeljohn; (American of Spanish Descent); California; United States.
 

Mary T. (185)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 5:11 pm
Shame on you Spain, this is so disgusting, what in the world is wrong with these idiots that do this I pray one day they get their reward and it won't be good, I don't care nothing about your heritage this is so cruel evil horror and just plain torture to these animals. Stop trying to live in the past and start caring for all animals they are not yours to torture and kill, everyone that does these things needs the same thing done to them.
 

Christine Stewart (133)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 5:14 pm
Why the heck doesn't the Pope condemn such barbarity- oh yeah, too busy gay bashing.
 

Joanna D. (216)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 5:23 pm
I'm so sorry Culebro we weren't able to save you...

 

Sherylee Harper (21)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 7:09 pm
Done!
 

Mary Ann Clark (80)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 8:21 pm
Is Spain trying to raise a generation of sadistic monsters?This is not only a horrible case of animal abuse and murder but it is also a case of child abuse.This only shows Spain in its worse possible light.
 

Marta B. (45)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 9:05 pm
Thanks Pam
 

Ivy S. (2169)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 9:13 pm
This is so terrible! I can't imagine the pain the poor animal went through. How could any one think of doing such a cruel act upon defenseless creatures??? It certainly is the height of cruelty! Thanks Pam for this awareness!
 

Corinna M. (40)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 9:25 pm
Noted.
 

Gwen Hillman (11)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 9:27 pm
Done, with pleasure - I pray they burn in hell !!!
 

Cecilia Bowerman (183)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 9:27 pm
DOne!!!!
 

Jean Lord (46)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 9:32 pm
So sad that people find enjoyment and pleasure in this type of behavior. It is not entertaining, it's cold and cruel.
 

Mari Thelander (27)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 11:03 pm
Here is one of several comments I posted as part of the comment thread in the Heraldo de Soria. I google translated it into Spanish:
Such a cruel practice really cannot be defended so, as might be expected when people attempt to defend the indefensible, their logic is all over the place.
Luis, you say everybody had a great time. Did the bull have a great time?
Choni, you say we Americans have no right to complain because we are guilty of genocide. If some of the worst members of our government have, perhaps indeed been involved in genocide and worldwide oppression, why blame us, the common folk? And what's all that got to do with whether or not it's OK for you to set a living creature on fire?
Lucia, you say that these bulls would've ended up in a slaughterhouse anyway.
Perhaps so, but ideally the protocol of a slaughterhouse is to kill the animal as quickly and painlessly as possible.
Whereas with the Toro Jubilo, the object is seemingly to kill the animal as slowly, sadistically and painfully as possible--AND then to call it 'entertainment!!!'"





 

michelle t. (41)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 11:06 pm
These Spanish intellictually challenged bastards need the same done to them and their family.What goes around comes around!!!!! Pieces of crap!!
 

Cheryl Ulrich (109)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 11:27 pm
Monsters ....
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 11:53 pm
This pushes me to the brink of my limits as a human being. If I were there, I would not be responsible for my actions. All of those involved will burn in hell for all eternity, the only fitting punishment. Like Michael above said, "Godless" and "Satanic!" There are no other words to describe this. The Devil is well pleased! There is no hope for "humanity!"
 

Veronica LACH (878)
Monday November 15, 2010, 12:08 am
A shamefull "tradition", will never understand how it is possible to happen in 21 century, maybe it was good for Midd Age, but makes me wonder, are we really in 21 century...it has to stop forever, we have to cointinue the fight, thank you PAM xoxoxoxo
 

Lisa H. (180)
Monday November 15, 2010, 12:15 am
How can any culture, any where justify such outright cruelty in the name of "entertainment" or "customs"? Evil is rampant in our world!
Note to Michael: Please don't believe that Pagan cultures would ever commit such an atrocity! Pagans worship nature and beauty, they do not destroy it!
 

Mari Thelander (27)
Monday November 15, 2010, 12:19 am
Pam has excerpted an article from PACMA which says that after the "celebration" the bull will not be taken to a burn unit but will be placed in a pen with "terrible pain and burns" and reused in other festivities.
Doesn't that imply that Culebro may still be alive? If alive, could we not band together and save him?
While we're at it we should also inquire about the fate of last year's bull, Felipe.
(No question but that the cruel mayor of Medinaceli, Felipe Utrilla, was expressing some deep psychological issues by naming the bull to be tortured and killed in 2009 after himself.)
 

. (3)
Monday November 15, 2010, 1:28 am
Dear All

We are up against a mindset and all the other problems that come wtih these sorts of issues. If it were only straightforward, it would maybe be easier to solve, but Pam and Anne have been trying for a long while now, and I am fairly recent to the group - but between us and the loyal regular group supporters such as Esther, Margaret, Mary, Catherine, Pat, Jane, Maria, and deepest apologies if I have left anyone out, we have pursued - and continue to pursue this - from every angle. Letters and emails to the government, to the province, to the municipality, to the King and Queen - at best we receive the standard formatted reply : The Catholic church says nothing, from the Pope down ( in my part of the world ) to the Archbishop of Westminster : we have written and emailed MP's who have done little but sympathise and do nil else : our one ray of hope is the European Union and the MEP's - we have a few who are trying with us to end this. There are animal welfare groups within the EU who are vocal on this and write letters, and one was sent to the Mayor of Medinaceli. . . .

We now try to pursue the EU funding aspect, which again is not straightforward, and again, we have MEP's totally opposed to the twists and turns of funding, say for example, that pays farmers subsidies, including those who rear bulls to kill in bullfights etc., - and also funding towards ' village/rural restoration ' - as explains, I imagine, the EU stars and written evidence of EU funding on the plaque in the Medinaceli building where this atrocity takes place each year.

We see front page stories on the tabloids, and broadsheets, that pale into insignificance compared to this, and the impact that those dreadful photos have - I don't know why The Sun, The Daily Express and others don't want to know ? These I notified last week, before the event with info and photos : zilch. Over yesterday, I forwarded the latest photos to them, and also The Independent and The Daily Mail. . . . .

But put a few unknowns on a stage, or in a jungle, for a TV show - hey, that's important? Front page.

We're all still here. We're not going anywhere. Good will triumph over evil - and evil tradition.
 

Anne T. (287)
Monday November 15, 2010, 2:42 am
Well said Simone!

Ahh..Mari ..if only it were that simple! You really think they would just hand him over to us?? If only!!

Also we need to remember that poor "Culebro" represents one of the many, many victims of brutal Spanish fiestas.
There are many bulls used in "Firebull" events, and similar appalling atrocities, committed upon this poor ill fated animal.

This is a long and difficult battle!!
But...as Simone has pointed out, we are still here!!!
 

Ritva J. (111)
Monday November 15, 2010, 3:27 am
This is appalling. Sent a message - hope they think about all the euros they are losing. It is obvious they don´t have any higher values, I just hope money talks loud enough to teach decency to them.
 

Esther S. (45)
Monday November 15, 2010, 3:28 am
I got an email confirming that my third comment was posted, but when I go that website I no longer see any (not just mine) of the comments. I don't know why.
 

Pam F. (227)
Monday November 15, 2010, 3:54 am
Same with me, Esther, and also on the other site I posted in the group, declaiming that Utrilla, the mayor*yuk* was going to create an interpretive centre for the Toro de Fuego.
I received the email confirmation, but when I clicked on to it, it took me to a long article glorifying the abomination:(((
But as Ritva was just able to post a comment - I wonder if they are blocking us!
 

Julie van Niekerk (230)
Monday November 15, 2010, 4:12 am
All I can ask - "where is God?" - We need the help for the animals on this planet!
 

Lynda K. (35)
Monday November 15, 2010, 4:18 am
Barbaric, completly uncivilised - Í found a link where you can comment


http://www.pacma.es/n/10848/page:1

 

Carlos L. (1)
Monday November 15, 2010, 4:28 am
Why don't they burn other Spanish idiots? Why are they so coward and take it upon an innocent animal?
 

Lisa Neste (710)
Monday November 15, 2010, 4:51 am
Dispicable!!!!! There is something genetically wrong with these morons. How on Earth can you stand there & burn an innocent creture of God and call it entertaining????????????? Sick Sick Sick
 

Pam F. (227)
Monday November 15, 2010, 4:56 am
Thanks, Lynda - that's the hand over of our petition.
I already commented - this is me -

17. Vedelia. Publicado el miércoles 27 de octubre.
People all over the world are disgusted and horrified at this shocking treatment of an animal for ENTERTAINMENT! All countries have practices which are shameful, true, but none approach this for sheer horrific cruelty. It's a tradition that dates back to the sixteenth century? More like the Dark Ages!And it's past time this dreadful practice was consigned to the history books, just as the burning of witches, bear-baiting , public executions, and many other archaic and outdated traditions have been.
Puntaje: +7

I'd be very interested to see if anyone can access the Medinaceli site, with the comments - it seems strange that it doesn't show for Esther and me - please post here if you can (or if you CAN'T!)
 

Jane B. (29)
Monday November 15, 2010, 5:24 am
As Pam and Esther have aaid - the comments on the Heraldo de Soria site are no longer there, or are at least blocked to some.
I've emailed the town site where they advertised the event:
http://www.medinaceli.es/ in Spanish using Google to translate and asked them if they know whether the bull has suffered burns to his face and body or been injured during this 'event; (which he surely must have), and whether he has been treated for this.
I'll ask other sites too - don't know if they'll bother responding but I wanted these stubborn sadistic people to know that we give a damn about his fate.
 

Esther S. (45)
Monday November 15, 2010, 5:31 am
Pam, I also got a couple of emails that were put into my junk mail . They were addressed from
Nobody (nobody@server.typicallyspanish.com)

I was given the warning that the contents may be dangerous and so I could not see what was in those emails. I don't know if there is a connection to my posting those comments.
 

Anne T. (287)
Monday November 15, 2010, 5:34 am
Same here!! Can't see any comments at all..only the article.
I wanted to post again and can't!!!!!
 

Ken L. (74)
Monday November 15, 2010, 5:43 am
The comments on Heraldo de Soria site are no longer showing ,maybe its not in their best interest to do so,as hatred for the people of this area is growing ,these cruel sadistic spaniards who harm innocent animals and call it fun and tradition .
 

Valerie S. (70)
Monday November 15, 2010, 5:58 am
Sick abuse veiled by the word 'tradition'! Disgusting practice should be banned everywhere, I will persist with each petition, letter, note...that I see regarding burning of the bull and bull fighting too.
 

Jane B. (29)
Monday November 15, 2010, 6:45 am
Esther: I occasionally get emails from the Typically Spanish site ('as 'Nobody') - I left a comment there some months back about some youths who killed a young bull, an email comes through if someone else leaves a comment, so I don't think these are to do with the Heraldo site.
 

Esther S. (45)
Monday November 15, 2010, 6:57 am
Jane, thanks. I clicked the link that they had in the email that they sent to me and this is what I found -

http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_26259.shtml

I have a feeling that there might be some kind of connection because it seems that I got their emails after posting my comments on that other site which was the translated version. If there is a connection, it is not in a negative way.
 

Terry B. (649)
Monday November 15, 2010, 8:00 am
Another place that needs to be sprayed with HIV, influenza, or anthrax to get rid of human beings, god's despicable "crown of creation."

Get your butt back to the drawing board, old fool!
 

Gary C. (5)
Monday November 15, 2010, 8:35 am
I'm really starting to hate and despise the spanish , I hope they all burn in hell for what they let happen in their country , if they're not stabbing and burning these poor bulls they're hanging dogs, a more blood thirsty bunch of mongrel bastards I've never met.....
 

Barbara K. (75)
Monday November 15, 2010, 9:01 am
The Spanish are a cruel and sadistic society. How they can consider the torture of any animal as fun is beyond the belief of civilized people. This is so sad and sickening. Hope they end dying the same way they do to the bulls and other animals there.
 

. (3)
Monday November 15, 2010, 9:05 am
With all our grief, and anger, and disbelief, and hurting - for the poor bulls that continue to suffer - what we have had to be mindful of, is that we are trying to help the anti-cruelty groups within Spain who are constantly trying to put an end to all the bull cruelties ? It is their country, and there are many good people in that country who want an end to the cruelties - but we take our lead from groups such as PACMA.

When our petition was handed over by a representative from PACMA, there was TV presence and reporting, and likewise on Saturday, it was reported on Spanish television and Silvia Barquero from PACMA was on camera speaking too. We have to help raise the profile, and keep it in the global eye. This is our job in supporting people who have the most chance of making the difference.

I hope I explained myself clearly. We all know our own gut feelings, and what we, personally, would like to do and achieve, but we aren't there ? We are observers, guided by those who know what is the best way.

There are elections in Spain at the end of November, I believe, and PACMA have a candidate, Aida Gascon, standing for election in Catalonia.
 

Hana T. (7)
Monday November 15, 2010, 9:14 am
I still don’t get it why the EU hasn’t put an end to it yet – bull fighting, bull running, bull burning. This has been a burning topic for many years now, hundreds of petitions have been signed by people from all around the world, and this atrocious entertainment goes against EU stance on animal welfare.
I always do my best to see both sides of the story and yes, I hear the Spaniards screaming ‘tradition’ but I’m sorry, that’s just not good enough. The ancient South American tribes practiced human sacrifice and even organized games where captives we hunted and killed for entertainment. If they kept their traditions until this day, would we just look on and say “oh, it’s not very nice but it’s a very old tradition, you know.”
This is simply barbaric cruelty against animals for PURE entertainment. Other countries have evolved and banned their centuries-old traditions giving way to a more humane and advanced societies. I sincerely hope someone’s gonna wise up soon.
 

. (3)
Monday November 15, 2010, 9:33 am
Sadly, Hanka, this is outside EU jurisdiction - I have had quite a few written conversations about this recently with EU MEP's.

Yes, animal welfare is high on the agenda within the EU, but there is a clause, where ' cultural, regional, traditional heritage events' are excluded from the protection of the animal welfare blanket. It is difficult to grasp and comprehend, and it gives many MEP's grief, as they rightly complain about it.

It is why the only other angle we are left with is the angle of the EU funding. Bullfighting, in general, is not aa popular as once it might have been, and money is a problem within the 'industry'. We have the issue that with EU funding, current legislation rewards farmers/livestock farmers - and bull farmers fall into this funding category ? We in the EU help line their pockets ? So we have to try a financial angle, where to stop funding the cruelty may be the first step in ? If you have a look at the Medinaceli page on F.A.A.C.E. website, you will see a photo there, that shows a plaque indicating that funding towards renovation of that building. That's where Saturday's atrocity took place, and takes place annually. It falls in the funding box of ' village/rural renovation '.

So you see how we tread one step forward and two back - but patience and truth and good will win in the end.
 

Eli T. (90)
Monday November 15, 2010, 9:57 am
That poor animal. How sick and cruel people can be. I cannot understand how any person with a heart can stand by and watch this barbarism.
 

Christene Du Preez (37)
Monday November 15, 2010, 10:01 am
when you look at his eyes, can you imagine what he is going through, the terror, the pain, the trauma, the confusion of why? Now i would love to know exactly what about this is so entertaining for spain, not all of them but the people who like it, good God that last thought just sent shivers down my spine, torturing an animal in any way for the purpose of entertaining is shallow, soulless, heartless but then these people are beings without souls walking the earth, you could say the are primitive beings with no reasoning and no feelings, evil fills their useless hearts and they certainly shall suffer the pain they have inflicted upon these animals, they are like the devil's little minions, i have no respect for them at all, i regard them as devellish bastards who should not be here. it breaks my heart to see these bulls suffer like this. not right. really are some of the people of Spain so blood thirsty? despicable to say the least! actually i would like to set their balls / breasts on fire, and watch them burn for pure amusement, lets see if they then still find this cruelty entertaining.
 

Ramona Thompson (210)
Monday November 15, 2010, 10:35 am
Idiotas barbaro! Sadico! Sent email to editor at newspaper and SNF.
 

Pam F. (227)
Monday November 15, 2010, 1:18 pm
It's OK, Esther - there is no connection .

That is an article you commented on, and whenever anyone else leaves a comment there, you are notified. I get them quite often.
 

Cynthia H. (108)
Monday November 15, 2010, 2:58 pm
The pain, the angish - Spain is not an unintelligent country. There is no excuse for the continuantion of cruelty under the title "tradition". It is hard to believe that in 2010 they are still doing this - with so much knowledge that animals do have feelings, do feel pain, do feel fear. It is easy to hate people when they are so cruel.
 

Nancy Anderson (19)
Monday November 15, 2010, 9:55 pm
How can anyone find the terror and agony of this animal entertaining? How sad that these people have lost their ability to be compassionate. It is my hope and prayer that someone will put an end to this horrid practice.
 

Michel Michaeljohn (3)
Tuesday November 16, 2010, 12:34 am
‎(For anyone who may be interested), "Webster's New Dictionary" defines the word "pagan" as: "heathen."
"Heathen" meaning: "uncivilized."
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 16, 2010, 1:09 am
As I keep saying, all those involved with any of these atrocities in these Catholic-predominated countries, need to be instantly excommunicated! Doing this would not allow people to get married or receive the sacrament of communion or last rights! I think people would change fast if the Catholic Church actually got involved! (And I am Catholic....)
 

mary f. (182)
Tuesday November 16, 2010, 1:21 am
iall creatures can feel pain and terror and we know when were inflicting this on animals how can they do this?
 

Andrew Butt (84)
Tuesday November 16, 2010, 1:51 am
I really cannot understand the mentality behind this? Is this supposed to be a macho thing to do or to prove yourself a man, this is not man thhis is more monster, it is completely and utterly deplorable. Bullfighting is archaic and dispicable as well but this is just pure evil, the bull does not have any chance at all and it it extreme cruelty of the highest order.

I thought that bullfighting was proving a mans' worth and that (although I hate it) the bull was revered as a worthy opponent to prove that.

Therefore with this act in mind, it is no longer about 'tradition' but this is murder under the 'guise' of tradition.

Can someone feedback to me how I get into this petition please, Thanks Andy.
 

Pam F. (227)
Tuesday November 16, 2010, 2:37 am
Well folks - here is the latest article - and many of us get a mention! Don't expect to be flattered - they are NOT complimentary!

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldodesoria.es%2Findex.php%2Fmod.noticias%2Fmem.detalle%2Fidnoticia.59791

IF you wish to comment again - use this second link - and google translate!!!


http://www.heraldodesoria.es/index.php/mod.noticias/mem.detalle/idnoticia.59791
 

Pamylle G. (463)
Tuesday November 16, 2010, 2:48 am
And the OED - a more in-depth dictionary - shows that the word "pagan" comes from the the Latin "pagani" or "paganus", which simply means "country dweller". Used as a blanket term for non-Abrahamic religions, Peter Brown observes:

"The adoption of paganus by Latin Christians as an all-embracing, pejorative term for polytheists represents an unforeseen and singularly long-lasting victory, within a religious group, of a word of Latin slang originally devoid of religious meaning. The evolution occurred only in the Latin west, and in connection with the Latin church. Elsewhere, 'Hellene' or 'gentile' (ethnikos) remained the word for 'pagan'; and paganos continued as a purely secular term, with overtones of the inferior and the commonplace."

In an age where many have reclaimed the term "pagan" in a more positive light (such as that of an European Earth-centered spirituality) , I find its use here to describe an atrocious, inhumane practice - tolerated, to boot, by a nation of "civilized" Christians, rather OFFENSIVE.
 

Pam F. (227)
Tuesday November 16, 2010, 3:59 am
Andrew - the petition link -

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/firebull---stop-the-burning-of-live-bulls

But at this stage, keeping up the pressure via emails, comments, and other actions etc, is just as important.

We post them regularly in the Firebull group -

http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/FireBull

 

Northern Light (51)
Tuesday November 16, 2010, 5:24 am
14/11/10 15:38)

There are no words which can describe how horrible, sick, primitive this is, what is that you celebrating by monstrous torturing of poor innocent and supreme animal soul you disgusting savages...

I am thinking what to write to ambassador of Spain in my city, I am still full of grief hate and rage, I hope I will come down these days....
 

Jane Parker (70)
Tuesday November 16, 2010, 6:56 am
The majority of Spanish are greasy, vile and cruel (NOT ALL). They love to see animals suffering which is why I haven't been back to Spain for many years. What is wrong with these morons. Do these idiots have families and what do they think? Is the bedtime story to their children "today I set fire to a bull and I enjoyed watching it die in agony". Creeps the lot of them!
 

TRISH GEIDEL (214)
Tuesday November 16, 2010, 8:08 am
I Have No Words Left In Me, Been Too Busy Trying To Calm Myself Down !!!!!
I went on the site & commented. Wish I could Do More. !!!
I couldn't watch the vid, Pic was enough to set me off !!!
 

Michel Michaeljohn (3)
Tuesday November 16, 2010, 12:42 pm
What "matters" here is the "ceasing" of the "immense suffering" of the magnificent; beautiful; "innocent" bull(s),
not the "time-wasting; insecure personal problems" with Webster's New Dictionary "definitions" of "words" by the "self-appointed" Care2 "post/word" police.
(This is the "last" I am going to "bother" with this "stupid" subject.)
Wishing "everyone" a "Good Day."
 

Julie van Niekerk (230)
Tuesday November 16, 2010, 8:57 pm
To view this and enjoy it tells me that there is something seriously wrong with these people. Are they perhaps experiencing some sexual pleasure from it.????
 

Pam F. (227)
Thursday November 18, 2010, 2:42 am
I agree with Michel here - on an issue of such horrific cruelty, it's disappointing to see quibbling and nitpicking over the exact precise definition of a WORD :((
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday November 20, 2010, 4:34 am
i signed the petition in the hope that there would be a miracle and people would see sense and have compassion but once again i have been proven right with regard to how i feel about the human race we are a sick parasitic species that whos time will come like the dinasours and then maybe other species will have some peace if there are any left bytrhe time we are finished ,digusted and angry and to many other feelling sthat i dont have the words to discribe
 

Cecilia Bowerman (183)
Saturday November 20, 2010, 5:24 am
It makes mi sick to see this image, I will pray for them.
 

IDONT EATFLESH IDONT DRINKPUS (4)
Saturday November 20, 2010, 5:37 am
FUCKING DISGUSTING EVIL SADISTIC SPANISH WANKERS! WHO-EVER DOES THIS PATHETIC ANIMAL ABUSE NEEDS THEIR HEADS SET ON FIRE AND LEFT TO BURN, DISGUSTING EVIL BASTARDS - YOU'RE GONNA ROT IN HELL, DISGUSTING SPANISH PRICKS!
 

IDONT EATFLESH IDONT DRINKPUS (4)
Saturday November 20, 2010, 6:32 am
WHY DO PPL LET THIS HAPPEN IF I WAS THERE I WOULD BE SURE TO PUT THE FIRE OUT ON THESE POOR BULLS, WHY ARENT PEOPE THERE WITH BUCKETS FULL OF WATER FFS! WHY FUCKING NOT? OUT OF 90% OF PEOPLE THAT DONT AGREE WITH THIS, WHY DOES NO ONE PUT THE FUCKING FIRE OUT ON THE BULLS
 

Catalina D. (26)
Saturday November 20, 2010, 8:43 am
Is horrible! please write to Medinacelli council and let them know (in a polite way) we are not agree with this barbaric celebration!
 

Luis Martins (0)
Saturday November 20, 2010, 9:29 am
This is a SHAME for Humanity. It´s a SHAME for Spain. STOPO this barbaric event NOW!!!!!!
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday November 20, 2010, 12:27 pm
I cannot comprehend how this is still allowed to happen........ SHAME ON THESE MONSTERS, on this BARBARISM, on this slow and painful TORTURE
 

Laura Boro (0)
Saturday November 20, 2010, 3:47 pm
I am from Spain and I hate my country for this.

I think not coming to Spain is a good pressure tool to help animals but PLEASE TELL YOUR TRAVEL AGENCY WHY YOU DON´T COME. TELL THEM YOU DON´T WANT TO COME TO THIS SADIST COUNTRY THAT HAVE HORRIBLE "TRADITIONS" THAT INVOLVE ANIMAL CRUELTY.

Fortunately many people in Spain is against this and fights against this, like me, but there is so much more to do.
 

Pam F. (227)
Sunday November 21, 2010, 6:13 am
Laura - lots of actions and information here -

http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/FireBull
 

Andrea Barlow (31)
Sunday November 21, 2010, 10:11 am
I grew up in Spain 50 years ago and there was Bull fighting and cruelty then!! I remember hitting a man where it hurts because he was hitting his Donkey and I was only 4 years old!! Things have not changed, mentality of people has not changed,despite generations growing up with a better way of treating Animals, there are still too many in Spain (as well as other countries) of Morons,stupid low lives who have no respect for Mankind, let alone a beautiful beast as this Bull. What amazes me is how many COWARDS behave this way to an Animal.Maybe the Internet brings it more to our attention, but there is more cruelty and violence in the World today and more people indulging in this.There are not enough people being Animal Activists which is what is needed as Actions will do more than words,,,so who are the Cowards? The people who do it, or the people who say how bad it is? I an an Animal Activist,very much alone in a very backward EU country, and am always in trouble, but at least I hold my head up high to know I WILL do something about it...they make me angry enough when I see cruelty on a daily basis to DO something about it..so should all those in Spain who feel anger and sadness as to what happens to these Bulls. What did they ever do to deserve such torture etc...what do these perverted cowards get from doing this? SICKOS!!
 

ChanTlalok C. (369)
Sunday November 21, 2010, 6:01 pm
thanx Pam for posting, a lot of great comments. Does anyone know how old this tradition is? It's kind of sad to say but whenever I hear that a bull has socked it to a human being at one of these bull events I am happy for the bull. Blessings!!
 

TRISH GEIDEL (214)
Monday November 22, 2010, 4:19 am
ANDREA Barlow, YOU GO GIRL !!! KEEP ON Fighting The Good Fight For The Animals. Don't worry about the cold hearted MORONS around you !!!
I Love it that you Kicked a guy in the Family Jewels for hitting his donkey, when you were only 4 yrs old.!!!
Hope he was in pain for many days & he has never forgotten how a little girl brought him to his knees !!!

I remember when I was only 8 yrs old, growing up in a small country town in South Australia : I had to throw a real humdinger of a tantrum, to save the lives of my Cat's newborn kittens, who were about to be thrown into the ocean in a hession bag !!!
Sadly, that was the mentality of country folk back then; some are still like it today. !!!

The kittens became a nuisance to my parents, not something cute & beautiful & wonderful.!!!
I found good homes for them later on & my cat went to the vet to get fixed !!!

Andrea, you deserve a green star & I made sure you got one.!!! WELL DONE GIRL.!!!!!
 

Heidi L. (88)
Wednesday November 24, 2010, 7:16 pm
This breaks my heart
 

Ana M. (0)
Thursday November 25, 2010, 9:58 am
what kind of demons find pleasure and fun in this. It is a disgrace to the human race, and to think that it is happening in Europe is unbelievable. Strongest protest possible to the EU, and Spanish Government.
David conquered Goliath, and we animal activists will bring down the giant devil who stalks the earth murdering our animals and wildlife. Thanks for the caring wonderful people who will stand together to destroy this sick perverted tradition!!
 

Peggy A. (109)
Wednesday December 1, 2010, 12:15 pm
I am way on behind,but I left my comment.
 

Elm Morrison (357)
Saturday December 25, 2010, 2:39 pm
This was my reply to that moron whose only answer to the charges of animal cruelty was to swear at the protesting care2 members.

Roberto Ortega if all you can answer to the charges of animal cruelty is: 's -c -r -e -w you folks' then I guess our input has hit a nerve. You don't answer the charges, you simply swear at those who protest this cruelty. What a joke you are and what a joke are those who still live in the dark ages, who sanction animal torture under the banner of 'culture'. Unfortunately this is no joke for the burning animal.


The morninc neanderthal on the Heraldo de Soria
 
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