Saturday October 17, 2009, 10:05 am
Definition Netanyahu -LIAR, MURDERER, DEVIOUS, GRAND MANIPULATOR, ABOMINATION, OCCULT LEADER, SERVING THE PRINCE/RULER OF THE AIR, TORTUROR, DEMENTED, CRIMINALLY INSANE, EVIL!!!!

Saturday October 17, 2009, 10:30 am
Oh this turned my stomach sooooooooooo bad...these are merely children!!!! Im more horrified by the vid Im in tears why..why..why..??? I just cant seem to understand the reasoning for all the hate going on here. Shit I got to go wipe my face off Ill be back in a miunte...

gorilly

Saturday October 17, 2009, 10:45 am
There is NO reason Gorilly but there is much denial that this ever happened, try telling a Gazan kid that?...

Israel and their 'best friend' the U.S.A. do not want prosecution to go ahead...Why is that?...The evidence of war crimes committed is obvious but once again the government/corporate controlled media tells us it's not a happening thing?

'Reality' is a forgotten thing of the past?...Try telling that one to a Ghazan survivor!

Saturday October 17, 2009, 11:00 am
PS I love you...But If you did not take the time to 'visit site' and watch the 6 minute video then PS I don't love you and your comment, should you wish to leave one, will be void.

Saturday October 17, 2009, 11:06 am
David I watched it and I cried...this is horriable truely horriable. How or why do they deny??? Pics and videos say a millin words...and it is right there...I hate my government in general...truley I do....

Big goirlly Hugs

Saturday October 17, 2009, 12:45 pm
ditto gorilly -a good man can make it to the top in the government with intelligent ideas and morals -but less than few have over come the demons that actually run the show -i can not and will not support my own country in any of this -call me un american -call me a terrorist lover -call me a commi -i do not care. pull out our troops, murderers, and rapists now!!!

Saturday October 17, 2009, 1:03 pm
i'm sorry david -i did watch it -i did and still cry -i made my husband watch it -and i witnessed the water brim up in his eyes. i will promote this in my facebook too. why are the masses zombies, why can't we get over this petty civil war crap here in the usa and stand united against such evil, and why in the h3ll would we lay down in bed with those who want it their way by slaughter/nuke/oppress/torture??? for the record -these are not god's people -the scriptures themselves and most of all their/our actions prove it.

Saturday October 17, 2009, 3:42 pm
Yes,I watched the video and my heart even more for the Palestinian people. The only thing that surprises me about this video and board is that there are people out there who are shocked and surprised! Because of the holocaust and WWII, the entire world has been blind to the stealing of land land by the Israelis, and their numerous autrocities against the Palestinians and Arab population in general. I am apalled that the American government has approved of and endorced the behavior we have been witnessing since the year of my birth! It makes about as much since as a foreign government coming into the US, deciding to give Texas back to Mexico, the rest of the southwest back to the Apache nation, and all countries agreeing with that decision, and those of living in New Mexico being herded into a concentration camp! Get a grip world, I am no more responsible for the autrocities committed against Mexicans and Native Americans than the Arab world is for WWII! American and European governments had NO right to agree to an "Israel" to begin with since it meant stealing land and displacing innocent people. I have VERY strong feelings about this and I don't mind sharing them.

Saturday October 17, 2009, 4:37 pm
The Tears of Gaza 2009

No one had the right to destroy this...
Palestine has been burnt into all our souls
the suffering has shown us all who prevailed
and until we learn to love our fellow humans
this anguished cry still rings out. "Palestine!"
Cried from the children, from all 400 that died
till all the world is filled with this cry
for a people that refused to roll over and die.

David © January 2009

I remember this video when it came out about nine months ago and yes its message is still as relevant today as it was them. Israel continues to be in complete denial about the war crimes it committed...saying that they had to stop the rockets...which killed 7 people...and to do this Israel found it necessary to use outlawed munitions like Dense Inert Metal bombs that kills all it wounds on a largely unarmed civilian population, killing over 1800 of them in the process...all Terrorists Israel claimed...well 400 were innocent children and a further 300 were women and 125 were farmers tending their land...somewhere the definition of terrorist has been confused with that of ordinary folk like you and I.
Until Israel:-
-stops stealing land in settlements
-stops killing protesters in the West bank
-stops torturing prisoners
-stops the siege of Gaza
-stops pulling down Arab houses to build their own
-stops limiting the commercial life of Arabs
-stops limiting the travel for its Arab citizens
-stops causing death by denying medical care
.......
I could go on for a whole page...but until Israel starts behaving in a civilised way we cannot have them as allies nor should we be supplying them with arms or any other kind of aid.

Saturday October 17, 2009, 8:22 pm
I can't wait! Of course our government consists of a bunch of corrupt, evil, war-mongering criminals. Not exactly the same as "Bush and Gang", but quite similar.
Please World..... Do some justice... and besides that: Save the World, because if you let these loonies have their way, it will lead to WWIII.

AND THERE ARE MANY OF US IN ISRAEL WHOM THINK THIS WAY.... YOU JUST NEVER HEAR FROM US, BECAUSE THE RIGHT WING BULLIES ARE MEANER. (e.g. death threats, employment problems, danger of lynching, etc)

But please bring the Bastard to trail.

Saturday October 17, 2009, 8:37 pm
Thanx David...I and thousands of other human beings on this planet will never forget...how could we? ...Boycott Israel....And Take a look at this http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1229 Strangely designed "Supreme Court" Jerusalem????? Complete with pyramid and eye. And wonder just who "THEY" really are.

Saturday October 17, 2009, 8:51 pm
Please don't boycott Israel Elderberry. Why should the people of Israel be penalised for the actions of their government?...Unless of course you seriously think that EVERY man, woman and child in Israel is 100% in agreeance with the massacre???

Sunday October 18, 2009, 5:08 am
thank you tinkie -there would not be much too stand up for with out you, the good people of israel. and thank you for not judging us americans as a whole because of our own government corruption ~shalom

Sunday October 18, 2009, 12:36 pm
Irishman - A moving and artistic bit of cinema; with all the honesty of a Leni Riefenstahl film. True, these people lead a tragic existance, because of their sick culture they choose to.

They raise their children on bloodthirsty versions of Mickey Mouse, then send them out with explosives strapped to them. They choose to buy weapons over peaceful impliments. Before the unilateral pullout the Israeli greenhouses in Gaza produced bountiful crops; after, they were smashed in a nihilistic rage.

It's sad, but Gaza has only it's own to blame. I hope for their sake that when this current depraved set of leaders is killed in their tunnels, that the Gazans choose peace and coexistance with the Jews, or it will happen again.

Sunday October 18, 2009, 12:49 pm
Oh Brother Buchan, you and me are in the exactly same boat, as far as Islamists are concern. Both of us pay taxes to US government, and as such both of us are their legitimate targets. Don't be naive to ask them later: "What For?" when they decide to slit your throat and have a chance for that.

How come nobody asked Hamas: you dug so many tunnels in Gaza to move fighters all around Gaza and bring ammo from Egypt. Why didn't you build a single bomb shelter for people? Why did you set HQ in a hospital , o brave and mightly warriors? Where you hoping to get civilians and kids killed, so that you could take pictures later and show, appealing to normal people?

Israelis respect their dead enough not to take pictures to post them for PR campaign, but they wouldn't look better.

With all the pity to those innocents killed in the war, Hamas terrorists must be eliminated.

Sunday October 18, 2009, 12:57 pm
So shameful.. Israil should apologize for the world for that & the guilty should pay their depts...........

Sunday October 18, 2009, 1:15 pm
Davey Boy, this is where you and I both concur and agree. If there is ever to be a peace agreement in the ME between Israel and Palestinians (I say Palestinians instead of Palestine for there is no rightful country yet, while Isrrael continues to gobble up the West Bank) Israel has got to change course and will only do so once the US gets serious and demands that they do.

It aggravates me to no end in witnessing these images of Israel's aggression while the US blindly supports them. The US of only 5 other countries voted against the findings of the Goldstone investigations into the barbaric acts carried out during the Gaza/Israeli conflict on atrocities performed by both sides.

It's time Israel start feeling some real pressures. Yes, we all vehemently denounce the Nazi holocaust, for the Jews did suffer greatly for it. But that does not give Israel the right to perform their own holocausts onto the Palestinians. They've already ran them out of their homelands they had for thousands of years.

And if America truly wants backing for Iranian sanctions we've got to quit beligerently backing Israel for the same issues. We all know Israel has nuclear weaponery, but yet America sides with Israel everytime when they should make it worldly known and come under the IAEA watch.

What ironical rubbish is that...

Sunday October 18, 2009, 1:21 pm
"Brother Buchan,"...Not in a million years Wild C!...Australians do not pay taxes to the US government...Hamas dug tunnels to get basic humanitarian needs into Gaza, Israel closed the borders a long time ago...Israelis may well respect their dead but have absolutely no respect for the men, women and children they choose to kill...Hamas terrorists are not flavour of the month with the majority of Gazans...Israel arms every Israeli and trains them to kill (compulsory education)...Netanyahu is the depraved leader...

Enough?...Now go away, stop following me around and doing everything possible to destroy every thread you stumble on (against care2 rules) with your unwelcome trail of vitriolic, mindless destruction...Please!

Sunday October 18, 2009, 2:26 pm

"Ezekiel 25:17 - The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children.

And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."”

['Nuff said]
Namaste!

Sunday October 18, 2009, 2:31 pm
Buchan, Australia is a part of coalition fighting Islamists, so we are still brothers for the Islamists, and your throat is still in exactly the same danger as mine. Or, may be even more: Remember a journalist sympathetic to Islamic causes who went to Pakistan and got beheaded? Or English lady, married to Iraqi, still who got beheaded after running local charities in Iraq for 20 years?

Hamas dug tunnels WITHIN GAZA to move fighters. Forget those 1,000-1,200 tunnels under the border with Egypt. I am talking about INTERNAL GAZA TUNNELS built for fighrers, and NOT A SINGLE BOMB SHELTER for GAZA CIVILIANS.

THE BLOOD OF INNOCENTS IS ON HAMAS.

Hamas was bombing Israel for 8 years, with THOUSANDS of ROCKETS. Does anyone believe they were not expecting a response, one day or another? They did. Why no bomb shelters? To get pictures, claim unproportional response and bring in Islamic Majority in UN. Things worked fine for them so far. They care of their civilains much less than Israel.

Sunday October 18, 2009, 2:58 pm
DEATH PENALTY TO THOSE WHO COMMITED THESE HAINEOUS CRIMES ON CHILDREN, AND TO THOSE COVERING IT UP!! Security Guard/Activist Alexandra Marcella Manolesco-Ami!!

Sunday October 18, 2009, 2:59 pm
Thank you so much, David for posting that eye-opening video. I watched it with growing anger inside me and posted it on Facebook. Netanyahu, his predecessor (Ohlmert), and all those in the current and past Israeli governments must be handed over to the International Criminal Court and tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity. How on Earth can the International Community stand by, while Israel continues its human rights violations against the Palestinian people (erecting illegal settlements, destroying homes, olive groves, etc.)? Worse yet, the UN was impotent as Israel waged aggressive war against the people of Gaza, using illegal weapons such as cluster bombs/white phosphorus on innocent civilians - mostly women and children.

And, Wild Cat, I feel sorry for you - licking up the Zionist propaganda like water. Does Hamas possess such weaponry?? Hell, they don't even have an Air Force. As for the tunnels, this was the only method Gazans could meet their basic needs - such as water, food, fuel, and medicines. BTW, Hamas is the legitimate government of Gaza, since Fatah - deep in corruption - had collaborated with Israel in its crimes against the Gazan people. Therefore, before you start jumping all over David for his defense of Gaza, watch his video again, and study it well. Perhaps, you'll lose your blinders.

Sunday October 18, 2009, 4:25 pm
"Buchan, Australia is a part of coalition fighting Islamists"...

Australia is part of a coalition, sucked into two stupid wars, one illegal, the other of unknown intent...

Keep on drinking the 'cool ade' Cat but please go away and don't spill it here any more...

Sunday October 18, 2009, 4:41 pm
Eileen, Gazans can always meet their basic needs with Humanitarian Aid, daily delivered to them from Israel by hundreds of trucks, bringing food, fuel. medicine, etc. - All this despite the state of war between Israel and Hamas. Don't forget that Hamas calls for elimination of Israel, while Israel agreed that Palestinian Arabs will get another state, besides Jordan.

International Community can easily stand by when worst atrocities are committed by other states: Russians in Chechnya, Chechens in Russia, Albanians in Serbia, Iragis against Kurds ,etc. The list if very long. Looks like the only time for awakening is when either US or Israel take an action.

Call it Zionist propaganda, but I see Israel in her full right to bomb those who were bombing Israeli civilain centers for 8 years by thousands of rockets. That was a clearly war crime, which was not punished AT ALL with the whole international community standing by. That was until Israel retailiated.

Even then, all those measure taken by Israel to protect Gazans at happended at the exactly same time when Hamas was placing Gaza civilians in line of fire to start the PR campaing. They got civilian deaths, they accurately took pictures, they posted those photos on hundreds of sites and advertized them well, and now turned to Islamic majority in UN to push things further. These are the facts to remove the blonders of Hamas apologists.

Israel vacated Gaza and transferred all Jewish population out of there hoping for peace. THe World promised Israel that from them on the border will be safe. All was BS, Hamas started the bombing soon. And some people still are jumping on Israel?

Very unfair indeed. Hamas must be taken to International Criminal Court, not Israelis making concessions to Arabs.

Sunday October 18, 2009, 5:56 pm
Both sides need to stand before World Court.

Sunday October 18, 2009, 6:03 pm
Thank you David I can not bring myself to say any more aghast

Sunday October 18, 2009, 6:32 pm
Irishman,if you are 'Irish' from FreeGaza Peace and much gratitude for your work. I received many of you and Ramzi's 911 emails lady year when you all were under seige by the Israeli Navy, when they murdered 15 Gazan fishermen and when Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney and, forgive me if I'm wrong on the count, 18 others were taken hostage by the Israeli Military and the USA did S$$T about it! The reality of the statistics of the murdered Palestinians V Israels was approximately 74 Israelis to > 900 Palestinians!
Netanyahu is a horrid, murderous, heinous ?person? That hasn't an iota of guilt in the Genociding of Gazans.
Inshallah !

Sunday October 18, 2009, 6:34 pm
Yes Israel has shown their true colors but only because they are caught. God only knows how many people have died due to the entitlements of the Jews. Above ALL other religions it seems that God has chosen them to go ahead and steal land from others and expect the people to rejoice at their new lives as poor and abused as the Jews claim to have suffered. Maybethis is a way of getting back at other religions or Hitler even. Why everyone picks on the Jews they don't get it, but it keeps happening for some reason. Maybe they make someone mad using ANY AND ALL MEANS to protect their precious culture. Let's see steal land and then wonder why they not like you. Oh, yeah God is the Jews God not anyone else i guess. The rationale escapes me.

Sunday October 18, 2009, 6:34 pm
A picture's worth a thousand words...peace.

Sunday October 18, 2009, 7:22 pm
Photographs can speak volumes.These images show just how evil and barbaric human beings are.We have a long,long way to go before we are truly "civilized".

Sunday October 18, 2009, 9:17 pm
Sorry.. but I could not bring myself to watch the video.. just to sensitive... but there is no excuse for human atrocities.. these two groups definitely need to sit around the table for some serious dialogue... for the sake of their children and the generations to come... we are all human beings at the end of the day.. with different cultures and and should respect this..

Sunday October 18, 2009, 9:41 pm
If Israel wanted in fact to genocide Palestinian Arabs, they would carpet bomb Gaza, instead of warning Gaza civilians to leave before bombing and killing Hamas fighters with sniper fire. Then the ratio of killed would be much worse. Israel wanted to eliminate only terrorists, not civilains, and succeseded as much as she could. NATO generals reviewed the Israeli practices and praised them for high professionalism. You know, when you have A MIGHTY WARRIOR HIDHING BEHIND A CHILD, the child is in danger, but the fighter has to be killed. Police here also kills gangsters when they kidnap somebody, even when the life of that somebody is in danger.

Blame on deaths of civilians is on HAMAS, not on Israel.

Monday October 19, 2009, 2:00 am
Thanks again, Wild Cat--you are truly the voice of balance and reason as opposed to others not to be named.
It really is selective journalism when you cover carnage on one side and not the other--no picture of dead Israeli civilians, bombed out schools and all from the rocket attacks which preceded and continued through the actual conflict with Hamas. It's like not showing it is to edit the actual facts out of existence..hmmm...that's propaganda not history!
All of this claptrap is a banal effort on the part of Arab apologists and Palestinian propaganda spin-masters to equate Zionism with Nazism. Hence the desire to go to Nuremburg.The resemblance of the legitimate right and actions of Jews to live in and defend their own homeland and the barbarous Nazi system of annihilating a people based on race, sexual preference, etc. has anti-Semitism at its core and bears NO resemblance to reality. For one thing, Palestinian refugees in the camps have it a whole lot better than the starving Nazi concentration camp internees The worst day in a Palestinian camp is better than the best day in a Nazi concentration camp based on all factors. Both are deplorable, but let's get our levels of hell straight here. If for nothing else than you never knew when the guards would just shoot you or starve you to death with the Nazis. Misery for Palestinians in refugees camps could be ameliorated by helping promote their independence as people, but Arab governments, especially Jordan and Saudi Arabia, would rather contribute funds to stir the pot, not solve the people's problems. Keeping them down in camps is better than integrating them and promoting social and political contributions. Some fear there obviously and a great deal of control also. No mention in this article of this either--very convenient and not much fun in fitting this in with the general theories of those whose approach to the system is unbalanced.

Just to be clear, not all Israelis share my opinion and not all Israeli soldiers did the right thing during the conflict with Hamas--quite the opposite. License to protect one's homeland doesn't give you carte blanche, the right to human rights violations. Let's prosecute individuals, not governments. Punishing the innocent for the deeds of the guilty isn't justice for anyone. Pretending that individual Hasmas leaders and combatant always did the right thing is fiction too--wake up and smell the coffee on this! The grounds are really burning and the odor is unmistakable.

Monday October 19, 2009, 2:40 am
http://www.geocities.com/israeli_eyes/

A site which lists the many innocent Israeli victims of Palestininan terror. It goes for NINE pages.

The one-sided info in this post and many of the subsequent comments just go to show how easy it is to con people who don't have any real knowledge of this very complex problem.
Goebbels would have been proud.

Monday October 19, 2009, 3:41 am
A more objective report on Gaza

Commander (ret.) Richard Kemp told the UNHRC that the IDF made a strong effort last winter to safeguard the lives of Gaza's civilians during its counterterrorist operation.

"During Operation Cast Lead, the Israeli Defense Forces did more to safeguard the rights of civilians in a combat zone than any other army in the history of warfare," testified Colonel Kemp. "Israel did so while facing an enemy that deliberately positioned its military capability behind the human shield of the civilian population."

The former commander of the British forces serving in Afghanistan listed his military credentials at the start of his testimony before the UNHRC vote endorsing the Goldstone Report.

The findings of the UN investigation into Israel's war against the constant Hamas rocket fire aimed at Negev residents may soon be used as evidence against Israel at the International Criminal Court at the Hague.

The UN committee, led by retired South African jurist Richard Goldstone, concluded that Israel was guilty of committing war crimes, and possibly crimes against humanity, during Operation Cast Lead. The report also said the Hamas terrorists who control Gaza "may have" been guilty of war crimes as well.

But Commander Kemp had no doubt, testifying before the UN commission that voted Friday to endorse the report, that Israel had done its best to avoid harming any civilians. He told the commission that Palestinian Authority Arabs in Gaza who had spoken with the Goldstone commission may not have told the whole story -- or the true story at all.

"Hamas, like Hizbullah, are expert at driving the media agenda," he said. "Both will always have people ready to give interviews condemning Israeli forces for war crimes. They are adept at staging and distorting incidents."

Commander Kemp noted that the international media and international human rights groups tend to have the "automatic, Pavlovian presumption... that the IDF are in the wrong, that they are abusing human rights" -- a challenge, he said, that the British do not face.

"The truth is that the IDF took extraordinary measures to give Gaza civilians notice of targeted areas, dropping over two million leaflets and making over 100,000 phone calls. Many missions that could have taken out Hamas military capability were aborted to prevent civilian casualties," he said.

"During the conflict, the IDF allowed huge amounts of humanitarian aid into Gaza," Kemp reminded the commission. "To deliver aid virtually into your enemy's hands is, to the military tactician, normally quite unthinkable. But the IDF took on those risks."

Commander Kemp acknowledged that civilians had been killed, but pointed out that "war is chaos and full of mistakes." He added that Israel was not the only country to face such a situation: "There have been mistakes by the British, American and other forces in Afghanistan and in Iraq, many of which can be put down to human error. But mistakes are not war crimes."

Monday October 19, 2009, 4:47 am
Yes, the Palestinians were shown to be victims again but it happens everyday. Obama, stop aid to Israel until the persecution, intimidation, land-taking and water-taking stop. Behind closed doors Obama should say to the Zionists, "enough already, stop, give back the land including East Jerusalem, start negotiating or I will not sign further aid to your country".

Monday October 19, 2009, 6:13 am
War is horrific! That is why Barack Obama was elected to get the world to interact and live peacefully within their own cultures and he is making a tremendous effort (give him credit for that). Unfortunately, the main reason for war in this day and age is trying to insert their own cultures on others.

The Palestinians should look to improve and make the most of what they have and not what they want and are not entitled to.

Monday October 19, 2009, 7:41 am
Bob, Palestinians in Gaza are victims of HAMAS, not victims of Israel. Same Palestinians living in the West Bank have their lives vastly improved and much better living conditions.

Before elections in gaza, Hamas called for a war with Israel , started that war and lost it. They didn't change their platform and are in the state of war with Israel. Gazans now must get rid of those fanatical Islamists and replace them with moderates, who will pursue peace with Israel.

Monday October 19, 2009, 1:16 pm
This is tit for tat, you show me yours and I show mine. It will not be over until only one person is left alive. Or something happens to make religion irrelevant.

Monday October 19, 2009, 4:35 pm
Has anyone read the Fayad peace plan? It seems intersting

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1255547728030&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Monday October 19, 2009, 7:30 pm
I wouldn't hold your breath about the Fayadpeace plan David. Sadly, the reality is that not even Fatah, which is perceived as the moderate voice on the Palestinian side, is prepared to accept Israel's right to exist under any circumstances. See below.

Tuesday, 28 July 2009
JERUSALEM – Senior members of Palestinian Authority (PA) President
Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah have announced that their group will never
recognize Israel and will continue to call for war against Israel.

“Fatah does not recognize Israel’s right to exist, nor have we ever
asked others to do so,” said senior Fatah member Rafik Natsheh, a
close associate of Abbas.

Media reports, according to which Fatah has recognized Israel and has
called on Hamas to do the same, are false, Natsheh said in an
interview with the pan-Arab daily Al-Quds Al-Arabi.

“It’s all media nonsense. We don’t ask other factions to recognize
Israel; we ourselves do not recognize Israel,” he said.

Fatah controls the PA in Judea and Samaria, and is the party of Abbas.
Unlike the rival breakaway PA led by Hamas in Gaza, the Fatah-led PA
has agreed to recognize Israel, although it will not recognize Israel
as a Jewish state.

The PA recognizes Israel because if it did not, it would not be able
to “serve the Palestinian people,” Natsheh explained. However, Fatah
does not have such constraints.

Not only will Fatah never recognize Israel, but it will never end its
call for armed struggle against Israel, he said.

“Let those who are deluding themselves hear: this will never happen,” he said.

A second senior Fatah member, Azzam el-Ahmed, agreed that Fatah would
not drop its call to wage war on Israel.

Natsheh and Ahmed gave interviews in advance of the Fatah general
assembly in early August, in which the organization will meet to
discuss its goals and to hold elections. The meeting will be the first
in about 20 years.

Last Updated ( Wednesday, 05 August 2009 )

Who can Israel realistically negotiate with?

Tuesday October 20, 2009, 7:51 am
My comments will be posted shortly.Till then those who say that Netenyahu lied are wrong and here is the proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNrHE24Y43g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkVd3P5CXrM&feature=related
http:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_JB2b5YAMo&feature=fvw

Tuesday October 20, 2009, 7:58 am
For the time being I quot " IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF CIVILIZED NATIONS TO AGREE THAT IF THESE TYPES OF CRIMES HAVE BEEN COMMITTED, THEY SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE "
Mark Ellis
Executive Director
International Bar Association

BUT WHO SAID THAT ISRAEL IS A CIVILIZED NATION ?????????????????????????????????

Tuesday October 20, 2009, 8:01 am
peace will only be achieved when the two of them are decided to do it.i Hate very few things,but politics yes!it's all wrong,not honest,the medias give just what they choose to put on our screens,50 years later you may know what really was happening!may be...these pictures are all to horrible to look at.it's a shame for humans,they lost their "human"condition!their "human"capacity of thinking,just watch if you want to loose your time all the movies about violence!every day on every screen and at any time!it seems just "normal"!
Peace on earth,watch the birds,plant a tree,work with your hands in your little garden:)and still hope!

Tuesday October 20, 2009, 3:41 pm
Abdes, I say Israel is a civilized nation, and for many reasons. Those reasons are well understood by other Egyptian Arabs, trying by TENS OF THOUSANDS to marry someone from Israel to move to Israel after. I never heard of some Jews trying to marry someone from Egypt to move live in Egypt.

And who said Egypt is a civilized nation?

Tuesday October 20, 2009, 3:59 pm
Israel, a civilized nation? A nation in existence only because of STEALING land from others, and then inflicting the same pain and suffering on the rightful owners of that land, that they have condemned the world for doing to them! The very uncivilized nation of Israel exists only because of the guilt felt by others!

Tuesday October 20, 2009, 4:24 pm
"If Israel wanted in fact to genocide Palestinian Arabs, they would carpet bomb Gaza, instead of warning Gaza civilians to leave before bombing"...

Gazan citizens could not leave because Israel closed the borders and they were trapped like animals in cages...

Please go away and drop your mindless drivel on another thread WC.

Tuesday October 20, 2009, 7:21 pm
Not a very smart response David. What you seem to be saying is if you don't agree with me you shouldn't get to express your view. Kinda reminds me of the reasons we have conflict.

Tuesday October 20, 2009, 7:31 pm
Whats gonna happen when all the good people who want peace and change are all killed and it is just the rotten governments and the military left???

That cannot be good...

Big gorilly Hugs

Wednesday October 21, 2009, 2:15 am
Wildcat
Egypt ,CERTAINLY,is a civilized country.Egypt tough the world.Everybody knows that except some blind people.Are you one of these?

Wednesday October 21, 2009, 2:19 am
You will no later or may be your children will know in the future why are Egyptians getting married to Israeli women !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They marry Arab women holding Israeli passports who are the owners of the land where Israel exists now temporarily

Wednesday October 21, 2009, 3:31 am

Goldstone rejects Israel protests
UN human rights investigator Richard Goldstone has rejected Israel's claim that the peace process would be harmed by his report on the offensive in Gaza.
Judge Goldstone said there was no peace process at present and Israel's foreign minister DID NOT want there to be one.

Mr Goldstone's remarks came in a conference call with American rabbis.
"It's a shallow, utterly false allegation," Mr Goldstone said of Israel's attempt to brand his report as an obstacle to peace.
"What peace process are they talking about? There isn't one. The Israeli foreign minister DOES NOT WANT ONE," Mr Goldstone said.

"If the Israeli government set up an appropriate, open investigation, it will really be the end of the matter. That's where the report would end as far as Israel is concerned," he added.

He was speaking days after Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman spoke of his belief that the Arab-Israeli conflict would not be resolved in the coming years, and people should "learn to live with it".

Palestinians and human rights groups say more than 1,400 Gazans were killed in the 22-day conflict that ended in January, but Israel puts the figure at 1,166. Thirteen Israelis, including three civilians, were killed.
In the report, Mr Goldstone calls for the war crimes allegations to be referred to the International Criminal Court at The Hague unless the parties to the Gaza war investigate them.

If the report comes before the UN Security Council, the US is expected to veto any call for ICC action against Israel.
Favourable
On Tuesday, Israel's Security Cabinet hardened the country's rejection of an independent inquiry.
Earlier reports said discussion about setting up an inquiry had been on the agenda of the meeting, which brings together seven ministers with security responsibilities.
However, an official said it was blocked by Defence Minister Ehud Barak( WANTED ), an architect of Israel's winter onslaught, supported by Benjamin Netanyahu( WANTED ), who was elected prime minister in March.
Both men have called the UN report one-sided and said it undermined Israel's right to defend itself. They argue internal investigations by the Israeli military are already dealing with a small number of violations.
"Our struggle is to delegitimize the continuing attempt to delegitimize the state of Israel. The most important sphere we need to work in is the sphere of public opinion in the democratic world," Mr Netanyahu was quoted telling the cabinet.
Foreign and justice ministry officials are reported to favour setting up an investigation in the hope of defusing an international row which is widely seen to have done damage to Israel's reputation.
Instead, ministers agreed on the establishment a legal-diplomatic panel to handle any possible war crimes prosecutions against Israel or its citizens.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/middle_east/8316770.stm

Published: 2009/10/20 16:58:09 GMT

From this BBC report we know:
1- Israel as I said before is not ready for peace and the foreign minister has no plans for any PEACE NEGOTIATIONS.
2- Despite the USA president Obama's speech in Cairo on 4 June 2009,the American Administration is still adopting the G.W.Bush administration towards Arab and Islamic world.Israel will continue to be the 51 american state.The proof is vote results before the UN council for human right against the Goldstone report and the expected veto before the UN security council.
3- Israel,despite the quiet situation didn't move a foot toward peace negotiations and most probably will not.
4- What is left is "the right of Palestinians to resist the Israeli occupation by ALL means"
5- NO BODY CAN BLAME THE PALESTINIANS OR ARABS AND MUSLIMS AT LARGE.THEY WERE TOO PATIENT AND ONLY ISRAEL IS TO BE BLAMED IF THE WORLD IS BRAVE ENOUGH TO SAY : STOP to Israel.

Wednesday October 21, 2009, 4:22 am
Yes Michael Dewye .Let us send both sides to the court.The court will certainly compare between fire works of Hamas with white phosphor of the Israeli criminals.Will compare between the freedom fighters and the criminal Israeli occupants.Will compare between a new NAZI state and helpless hungry women and children. We all are sure who is the innocent.

Wednesday October 21, 2009, 7:38 am
"This draft resolution saddens me as it includes only allegations against Israel . . . There is not a single phrase condemning Hamas as we have done in the report. I hope that the council can modify the text."

So said none other than Judge Richard Goldstone himself to the Swiss Le Temps newspaper on Friday before the UN Human Rights Council passed a resolution (without modifying the text) endorsing the Goldstone Report, clearing the way for discussion in the UN Security Council.

Goldstone also said in an interview with the The Forward,

If this was a court of law, there would have been nothing proven. I wouldn't consider it in any way embarrassing if many of the allegations turn out to be disproved.

Wednesday October 21, 2009, 7:45 am
Abdessalam,

Have you ever actually read a book on the rise of Nazism? If you had you would know how ridiculous this comparison is. I would suggest "The Rise and Fall Of The Third Reich" by William L Shirer or "The Third Reich A New History" by Michael Burliegh.

Wednesday October 21, 2009, 7:53 am
While you're reading you might check out yesterday's NY Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/20/opinion/20bernstein.html?_r=2#

October 20, 2009
Op-Ed Contributor
Rights Watchdog, Lost in the Mideast
By ROBERT L. BERNSTEIN

AS the founder of Human Rights Watch, its active chairman for 20 years and now founding chairman emeritus, I must do something that I never anticipated: I must publicly join the group’s critics. Human Rights Watch had as its original mission to pry open closed societies, advocate basic freedoms and support dissenters. But recently it has been issuing reports on the Israeli-Arab conflict that are helping those who wish to turn Israel into a pariah state.

At Human Rights Watch, we always recognized that open, democratic societies have faults and commit abuses. But we saw that they have the ability to correct them — through vigorous public debate, an adversarial press and many other mechanisms that encourage reform.

That is why we sought to draw a sharp line between the democratic and nondemocratic worlds, in an effort to create clarity in human rights. We wanted to prevent the Soviet Union and its followers from playing a moral equivalence game with the West and to encourage liberalization by drawing attention to dissidents like Andrei Sakharov, Natan Sharansky and those in the Soviet gulag — and the millions in China’s laogai, or labor camps.

When I stepped aside in 1998, Human Rights Watch was active in 70 countries, most of them closed societies. Now the organization, with increasing frequency, casts aside its important distinction between open and closed societies.

Nowhere is this more evident than in its work in the Middle East. The region is populated by authoritarian regimes with appalling human rights records. Yet in recent years Human Rights Watch has written far more condemnations of Israel for violations of international law than of any other country in the region.

Israel, with a population of 7.4 million, is home to at least 80 human rights organizations, a vibrant free press, a democratically elected government, a judiciary that frequently rules against the government, a politically active academia, multiple political parties and, judging by the amount of news coverage, probably more journalists per capita than any other country in the world — many of whom are there expressly to cover the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Meanwhile, the Arab and Iranian regimes rule over some 350 million people, and most remain brutal, closed and autocratic, permitting little or no internal dissent. The plight of their citizens who would most benefit from the kind of attention a large and well-financed international human rights organization can provide is being ignored as Human Rights Watch’s Middle East division prepares report after report on Israel.

Human Rights Watch has lost critical perspective on a conflict in which Israel has been repeatedly attacked by Hamas and Hezbollah, organizations that go after Israeli citizens and use their own people as human shields. These groups are supported by the government of Iran, which has openly declared its intention not just to destroy Israel but to murder Jews everywhere. This incitement to genocide is a violation of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.

Leaders of Human Rights Watch know that Hamas and Hezbollah chose to wage war from densely populated areas, deliberately transforming neighborhoods into battlefields. They know that more and better arms are flowing into both Gaza and Lebanon and are poised to strike again. And they know that this militancy continues to deprive Palestinians of any chance for the peaceful and productive life they deserve. Yet Israel, the repeated victim of aggression, faces the brunt of Human Rights Watch’s criticism.

The organization is expressly concerned mainly with how wars are fought, not with motivations. To be sure, even victims of aggression are bound by the laws of war and must do their utmost to minimize civilian casualties. Nevertheless, there is a difference between wrongs committed in self-defense and those perpetrated intentionally.

But how does Human Rights Watch know that these laws have been violated? In Gaza and elsewhere where there is no access to the battlefield or to the military and political leaders who make strategic decisions, it is extremely difficult to make definitive judgments about war crimes. Reporting often relies on witnesses whose stories cannot be verified and who may testify for political advantage or because they fear retaliation from their own rulers. Significantly, Col. Richard Kemp, the former commander of British forces in Afghanistan and an expert on warfare, has said that the Israel Defense Forces in Gaza “did more to safeguard the rights of civilians in a combat zone than any other army in the history of warfare.”

Only by returning to its founding mission and the spirit of humility that animated it can Human Rights Watch resurrect itself as a moral force in the Middle East and throughout the world. If it fails to do that, its credibility will be seriously undermined and its important role in the world significantly diminished.

Robert L. Bernstein, the former president and chief executive of Random House, was the chairman of Human Rights Watch from 1978 to 1998.

Thursday October 22, 2009, 7:03 am
Can some one tell me about the human right watch opinion regarding the following:
1- The Israeli occupation of Syrian,Lebanese and Palestinian land since 1967?
2 - Driving the Arab Palestinians from their land and homes since 1948 ?
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The list is too long. How can you compare a freedom fighter or a resistance movement with IDF armed with the latest technological killing machines ?
There is one simple question to those who describe freedom fighters as"terrorists". Do you deny the right of these people to resist the occupation?
Dare you answer the question?

Friday October 23, 2009, 7:45 pm
It is illegal to deny the Holocaust so can you say hypocrital?

Why was it wrong for the Nazi's to torture and kill people if it is okay when Israelis or Americans do it?

Executing Japanese for waterboarding is considered just.

On behalf of all torture victims I call for identical treatment regardless or race, creed or nationality.