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Why Doesn't War Spending Count?


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Jean
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We spend $325 million every single day to fight the war in Afghanistan or almost $10 billion per month. Every single day for 10 years, we have spent an average of $220 million to fight the war in Iraq, or $6.6 billion per month.



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Brian M. (201)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 9:38 am
The United States spends hundreds of billions of dollars every day to sustain the 780 plus bases it has located around the world. We spend several times more on defense than China...and the all of the rest of the world combined. No reasonable discussion of deficit reduction can ignore all the pork presently being wasted in the name of defense.
 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 11:01 am

KUDOS, Jean!

It sickens me to listen to the endless Congressional discussions regarding reducing the deficit by cutting services to needy citizens, while the subject of our ridiculous Department of Offense [sic] budget is verboten (with only a few objections from commendable "representatives" (i.e. Dennis Kucinich) on both sides of the aisle).

 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 1:31 pm

 
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Kit B. (276)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 1:56 pm

This is not about war, not in the traditional sense. Who or what is the enemy? This is about supporting corporations. For that reason alone Congress will not make the needed cuts in the defense budget. This country is not becoming a corporatocracy it is one. It serves itself and certainly not the people.
The republicans carry water for the corporate masters and we are here to serve them, pay some taxes and not make waves. I just hope we all have the guts and fight to stand against any more of this.
 

Janet G. (109)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 2:00 pm
This is another war that's a big waste and a government sham that is all about money for the wealthy, gold in this case, oil in the middle east. This is where the majority of our money is going as well. This made up war needs to end and our soldiers need to come home and the war machine needs to be exposed for what it really is. The government created wars and the bailing out of the wealthy elite bankers is what is killing America, not Social programs as well as the pork and overspending on politicians who don't listen to us any more.
 

Angela Dubie (306)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 2:24 pm
Globalism is a virus that grew out of the several imperialistic attempts to control the known world
Wars, wars everywhere there's wars and or rumors of wars, just as the bible predicted, and well played out by the globalist!
Evil is like a pimple that has to fester and come to a head, before it will pop and go away!
We just need to squeeze a little harder, but we have to hold hands to pop it!
 

Cary Mostly-Away (94)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 2:31 pm
Sorry to break anyone's bubble, but, both your parties are corrupt to the bone and serve the hidden agenda in different ways to hide the fact.
They actually prop each other up, and make it happen.
This deception is there so everyone will have someone to blame without looking at the actual criminals who have taken over both parties since 1876.
War serves no one's interest but the no bid contractors who make everything war. The threats are mostly imagined to suck your treasury dry and give you the ongoing bill. There loyalty is obviously not with the people who elected them but rather it is with the dark side who fund their re-election campaigns. Bring the good men and women home before anymore are killed in the name of corporate profits for a few families with the right bloodlines. The sooner people realize the blanket government who overlay the original (once free) republic are the ones in charge the sooner you can take the appropriate action to bring them down through exposure and an educated public.
STOP FUNDING THE WARS and set yourselves free. Restore the republic.
 

Norm C. (74)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 2:37 pm
Imagine what we could do here at home with the money blown away in Iraq and Afghanistan! Imagine what we could do with just the money we spend every year building weapons systems ro defeat enemies that no longer exist! Imagine what we could do with the money we saved if we only spent as much on defense as our actual risks warranted!

Teachers with fewer than 20 kids in a class. Teachers that stayed with the same group of kids for at least two years. Schools whose priority was "students first"! Universal health care. Universal college education at whatever age you're ready for it. Pension plans for every worker.
 

Barbara K. (75)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 2:41 pm
That money is needed right here in our country. It is just being wasted away at our expense. We need these wars to end NOW. Actually, several years ago, they should have been ended. It is sheer nonsense that we have to sacrifice our treasury, and our children's lives, and for what? What? Nothing at all.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 2:47 pm
Senator Richard Shelby proposes a balanced budget 'except in times of war'? The 'Drug War' has been going on for 40 years, does that count too? There is always an excuse for NOT balancing the budget. Last year of Bush the Republicans were bragging about the budget being balanced 'except for the war'. This video is older but presents some graphs and info that is still relevant:Republican Tax Cuts Caused the Deficits
 

Michael Carney (211)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 3:57 pm
It doesn't count because too many Corporations, who are involved in selling their wares, to the Pentagon, count on the Cash Cow known as the Defense Dept, keeps buying their product's at hugely inflated prices, so everybody makes billions of Dollars, and the Tax Payers of this Country get screwed again...And of course a large amount of our Congressmen and Senators also make millions for themselves in these corrupt deals as well, so they aren't going to do anything to stop it...
 

Dandelion G. (387)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 4:03 pm
Jean bless your heart for posting this article on here and Carole for the forward.

I just spent yesterday afternoon standing in soldidarity with the Teachers, FireFighters, Police, Bus Drivers, Letter Carriers at a busy intersection at Daytona Beach. We were protesting the budget cuts that the Tea Party Governor has proposed for Florida's Educational budget. It is the deepest cuts in the history of this State 3.3 Billion.

Just in the County I live in that means that at least 936 jobs will be eliminated in the Educational system alone. Florida also has one of the higher unemployment rates in the Country at 12% meaning 1.1 million people are without work. So let us add a few more onto the unemployment rolls also at the expense of our children. May I also remind we are the 4th largest populated State in the USA, so with this population that will mean a high percentage of our citizens in the USA will not be receiving adequate educations with these cutbacks, a major brain drain on this Country.

Florida had always ranked near the bottom in education for funding and also for student acheivement. As we have so many people who have moved in from other parts of the Country that had better educational systems this State has come a long way with the efforts of many on a still limited budget for the size of this State. The standards and expectations have been raised in this State and in the last 10 years marvelous things have taken place and now Florida ranks in the top 10 for the students with the highest scores.

Ten years of hard work and dedication from parents, teachers, advocates, administrators, the list goes on to raise this State from near the bottom and always in the bottom half to the top or at least number 10. What a glorious and a great acheivement has been done here.......now we want to cut out the meager funds and kick all these hard working adults in the shins for having done a great job.

It is expected with the layoffs that the individual classroom sizes will have to go up to 60 students, no new text books can be purchased, and who knows what else, they are looking at all sorts of ways of how can we do this with these cuts that will have the least impact on the students. But you know, one can only make the deck chairs on the Titanic look different, the ship still sinks.

So what did my sign read? STOP THE WAR......Save Lives.......Save Money. I did get a few question me as it was a protest to support Teachers and Education. Is when I brought up the very statistics that this article does mention and the person would go, oh you are right, money not going to the War could go to Education. I had others who thanked me and said, yes, that is the 1,000 pound gorilla in the room few seem to speak about, and thankfully a man across the street on the other corner had a similar sign, Stop the War and the budget is balanced.

Now I signed a petition to Stop the War in Afghanistan back in Aug. 2010 only asking for 1,000 signatures and yet we are barely over 800 signatures months later, to Stop a War. So I suppose we can all be nickeled and dimed to death, our Seniors go cold because Fuel Assistance is cut, our children go without a decent education, and we can keep having the same give the Most Wealthy the Tax Cuts or we will deny the unemployed their check to eat this week. The people of this Country need to start looking at the big picture here and the War Machine is part of the Big Picture.

For those who have not yet signed the petition it is at:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/end-afghan-war-oil-dependence/

And please write, call, email, stand on corners with your signs.....Stop this War.....Budget Balanced end of story.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 4:10 pm
Noted, thanks for posting Jean and Carole for forwarding. Green stars to everyone..not much left to say..at least that wouldn't get me kicked off Care2.
 

Brian Drake (11)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 5:13 pm
Military/Industrial Complex! Any people still think the government's not fascist?!?
 

patricia lasek (317)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 5:42 pm
Bernie Sanders was wonderful on the House floor today castigating everyone about spending on the war. I signed the petition Carole.

Jean, excellent post!
 

Patricia Geller (34)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 5:44 pm
We have to take our country back. Back from the corporations and the failed govt. Let's hope it's sooner rather than later.
 

Trish K. (93)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 6:36 pm
F_ War. Imagine what we could do with all the money the tea party is spending on taking women back to the nineteenth century. I will cost billions to fight. I have a feeling we won't be rolling over for them. It is going to take a revolution. We have Already been sold out to corporate america. We must be very rich to have this much money to spend on war.
 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 6:42 pm

(You made me laugh out loud, Trish!)

Yup, but more than the fact that so many middle-aged male conservatives want to regain control over women (while continuing their "patriotic" fight to prove might equals might on the backs of hard-working, but unprivileged, Americans -- who will pay through their taxes and the blood of their children) . . . I am absolutely DISGUSTED by the warped minds of the addle-brained women who support them!

 

Dandelion G. (387)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 7:00 pm
Me too Carole.
 

Steve Howard (45)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 7:08 pm
We have not left Iraq yet (and never will unless people wake up and demand it) and that's still costing money that could go towards helping instead of hurting.

Go to:

http://costofwar.com

http://costofwar.com/en/

And you can see a running count of Iraq, Afghanistan and those combined. Right now it is over 1 TRILLION dollars since 2001.

Plus anyone remember this that Rumsfeld happen to mention on Sept 10, 2001?:

Defense Department Cannot Account For 25% Of Funds — $2.3 Trillion
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml

And also, let's not forget we have troops ALL OVER the world, may times in countries where the citizens don't even want us there, but the local gov't has us there to help "protect" their and our "interests".

A short list here of things to do:

Don't spend more money than necessary for products from large corporations.

Get informed and support good companies.

Work to make sure your vote actually counts.

Be informed and NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER vote republican or democrat or tea party, those are all (except a tiny fraction) the same people, all playing good cop/bad cop.

Run for office, even if it's small and local.

Contact media:

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111

Stay vocal.

Stay positive.

Pray or meditate.

Reduce. Reuse, Recycle.

Peace
NotSilent
 

Sir Walk F. (124)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 7:13 pm
War spending doesn't count, because all this talk about fiscal conservation is just code words for de-funding our own Nation.

Make no mistake about it; "Their" agenda is to turn the US into a post-industrial third world has-been, on equal footing with Asia. "They" being the corporations who pull the strings of most of the politicians from either party.

So they defund critical infrastructure for the PEOPLE, while funneling more and more into the private sector. Get prepared for their new world order!
 

Jae A. (322)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 7:42 pm
Think maybe it's time that people join together and stop paying Fed Income Tax....Nothing in it for the good of society just the top 1% of the people in the nation so why not just 'Say No' to any more paying of Fed Taxes. Let them be on the burning end of the stick for a change. Stop the growth of government period. Currently they are increasing it by leaps and bounds instead of less it's more now that the Neocons are doing their anti-American thing big time.

Think..no money no wars for profits which don't go for the good of society anyway so why are we all being so stupid about ?
 

Bill K. (14)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 8:04 pm
if young men and women can be sent to war sacrificing years of their lives, often their mental and physical health, and sometimes their lives then during times of war corporations (since they are considered to have all the rights, and therefor the responsibility, of individuals) should also be asked to sacrifice. defense contractors should be required to provide their goods and services at cost. let's take the profit out of war.
 

Bon L. (0)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 10:41 pm
Thanks for the info.
 

Agnes H. (144)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 10:59 pm
I would come in April, but it would cost our BUDGET too much. Maybe not trillions or billions as it's costing our country. But America is our closest "friend" so we've got to stick with them. At least for the next decade! Even here cuts are being made. Luckily not as many as in America and NOT as harmful as yours, but there is a new party coming up and their leader is Pauline Hanson. She wants to cut all the help to the Aborigenals and give them as much as what the White People are getting. If they want more they have to work for it! Alright in a way I agree but who would give them a job? What Aboriginal child gets the same education? NOT MANY, so how can they work for the same amount of money? The Chinese in Australia think they're still in China and won't give the employees as many shifs as they need to get the minimum wage. Unfortunately WE are NOT in China either. We have to fight for our rights as well. And us Military Families don't have a say in Iraq or Afghanistan either.
 

Toni C. (508)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 11:42 pm
Gosh, I passed out green stars to everyone I could and wish I could've given more... just want to add one little thought to all the fabulous comments., and that is... it is our "Christian" duty to sacrifice our young men and women to save other countries from themselves... believe it or not, some people actually believe that hogwash!!
 

greenplanet e. (157)
Wednesday March 9, 2011, 11:42 pm
That money could be better spent on social equity issues such as education and cutting pollution.
 

Lisa H. (180)
Thursday March 10, 2011, 12:09 am
Michael has the correct answer, IMO. The people behind Hallliburton, IBM, and others who manufacture our Wars are raking in the BILLIONS of dollars of pork (like that 25% of money unaccounted for). Since these are the same people pulling the strings in our govt, war costs will not be reduced, probably EVER in our lifetimes. Follow the Dollars, they lead to the Power.
Jae, I'm very much with you on the taxes!! So, if the IRS takes my house, can I live with you? Bill K, that's the best answer! Take the PROFIT out of war, and there will be none!!
 

KS Goh (0)
Thursday March 10, 2011, 12:28 am
Thanks for the article.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 10, 2011, 12:38 am
When will people be smart enough not to take up arms or to provoke dissent to take up arms. What is freedom worth if it is used to wage war on something or off something? Nothing.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 10, 2011, 1:49 am
THE AMERICAN IDIOT
 

Arild Warud (169)
Thursday March 10, 2011, 1:52 am
It's beyond comprehension,thanks for the post Jean.
 

Edwin M. (356)
Thursday March 10, 2011, 3:08 am
The sad part is what will we have accomplished when this is finally over. These people will go back to living a way of life that has existed for thousands of years,long before there was a United States. Those that continue to promote these wars seek financial gain and in my opinion are committing acts of treason by placing our men and women in harms way for no other reason than to increase their wealth.
 

Grace Adams (40)
Thursday March 10, 2011, 3:29 am
Since defense spending is for corporate welfare rather than defense and the corporations are certainly competent to produce other products, we should spend the same money with the same corporations BUT demand something useful for the money--1) the much needed transition to a sustainable energy economy. 2) much needed repairs to infrastructure--including water and sewage systems that leak and make a mess. 3) Health care reform. 4) low income housing 5) an employer of last resort/ community service employment program with enough jobs to provide a job for every low income individual willing and able to work and not already working at a better job.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Thursday March 10, 2011, 7:07 am
I fear it's too late for common sense - it's going to take a revolution. Hopefully, a Gandhi-type of revolution but then again, better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
 

Ingrid A. (533)
Thursday March 10, 2011, 8:20 am
Thanks for the article Lisa.
 

Lin Penrose (92)
Thursday March 10, 2011, 10:54 am
Thanks Jean and the Fwd from Lisa H. Good article and poses the excellent questions of Why. There seems to be no 'one' solid answer, since there is a whole Web of factors. This country, as Trish K., says must be Very wealthy to fund the many billions or trillions being spent on 'shadow enemies'.

Another type of 'wealth' this country seems to have, is a large supply of warriors/soldiers, as do other countries who continue and promote wars. Who supplies This wealth? Women. Who encourages and sets laws to provide the continous supply of warrior/soldiers, potential tax payers, and consumers?
 

Laverne Wallace (59)
Thursday March 10, 2011, 1:12 pm
noted
 

Rosie Lopez (73)
Thursday March 10, 2011, 2:49 pm
thanks for sharing
 

Jim Phillips (3203)
Thursday March 10, 2011, 4:26 pm
“Bring Our War $$ Home” says it all.

Cut the military budget by 30% and get us out og Afghanistan, Iraq and from other countries as well.

TY "C".
.
 

Angela Dubie (306)
Thursday March 10, 2011, 4:50 pm
Hitler stated that who ever controled Afghanistan would control the world, and he ran out of gas trying to achieve his goal!
Russia followed suit, and picked up this ball and chain of destruction, and their wall came toumbling down!
Every single tribe or nation that has occupied Afghanistan, other than it's own people has fallen, and America will be no exeption to this rule!
 

Tarequl M. (170)
Thursday March 10, 2011, 8:58 pm
Thanks for the article. I have noted.
 

Henry P. (171)
Thursday March 10, 2011, 9:18 pm
Thanks Jean 4 the Post.and Carole
 

Charlie L. (47)
Friday March 11, 2011, 1:00 am
Noted, thanks for the great post Jean and Carole for forwarding.
 

Mac R. (289)
Friday March 11, 2011, 3:04 am
"This is not about war, not in the traditional sense. Who or what is the enemy? This is about supporting corporations. For that reason alone Congress will not make the needed cuts in the defense budget. This country is not becoming a corporatocracy it is one. It serves itself and certainly not the people.
The republicans carry water for the corporate masters and we are here to serve them, pay some taxes and not make waves. I just hope we all have the guts and fight to stand against any more of this. "

I couldn't have said it better, Kit!
 

Marty H. (119)
Friday March 11, 2011, 4:02 am
Thanks Jean and Carole and noted! Pretty sad alright! Lied and manipulated to get into Iraq and what did we end up with? Oil contracts. Been in Afghanistan longer than Vietnam and what are we really accomplishing there again?! Protecting the poppy fields? May above said it well! Thanks y'all!
 

Henriette Matthijssen (148)
Friday March 11, 2011, 4:30 am
Cary, I am with you on every word you have written! Such Wisdom my Friend!
When will the American people wake up to this being the game that have been played on them & have been loosing ever since!
 

Cary Mostly-Away (94)
Friday March 11, 2011, 7:41 am
Thank you Henriette,
you are amazing for all you do to help people.

The United States was actually incorporated in 1871 in Delaware,
my bad, I said 1876.
A lot of damage was done in those first 5 years and look at where we are today because of those in office who sold us out 140 years ago.
 

Angela Dubie (306)
Friday March 11, 2011, 8:25 am
How is stealing the resourses of other countries and killing their citizens making America safe? It is making America hated and marked for revenge, but making the corporations rich!
Our troops took an oath to uphold and defend the constitution from foreign and domestic enemies of the constitution, but the constitution forbids foreign occupation and imperialism and globalism!
Our troops are fighting the wrong enemy, if they are fighting for our protection and freedom, because it is our own government that has taken that from us!

 

Ramona Thompson (210)
Friday March 11, 2011, 10:30 am
Awesome story; awesome comments. Wars have made trillionaires over the decades.

I guess the "mind control" hooplah has died down. Not too many seemed to take it seriously. However political blackmail, coercion, and twisting the arms of Americans to make us think we must "sacrifice" more for these Corporate People (CPs) to continue their financial gravy trains seem to be the method to the madness.

Join the protest groups nearest you, but if you don't have one consider this group or promoting this group in your area. They are growing in 50 states:

http://pol.moveon.org/event/events/index.html?action_id=239

I hear ya singing the song of Estonia Dandelion. It's catching on sister and friend.
 

Alicia N. (87)
Friday March 11, 2011, 10:25 pm
noted and action taken, thanks.
 

Jose Ovidio Perez Morel (44)
Friday March 11, 2011, 11:04 pm
Noted................
 

Betsy Bee (1043)
Saturday March 12, 2011, 8:22 am
Yes, Arielle, you are right. It is going to take a revolution. I sent you a green star. I am a grandmother but I am quite sure that it will not be a grandmother type of revolution. The conditions in our country since the Federal Reserve Act was passed are the reason I oppose gun control. We must be armed and belligerant to take our country backj.
 

Angela Dubie (306)
Saturday March 12, 2011, 9:11 am
Everyone has been voting for progress since Reagan made that his catch prase, but very few ever asked 'progess toward what?
This is what America wanted, a GLOBILIST STATE, and that meant unliminited military invasions and spending!
 

Phyllis P. (398)
Saturday March 12, 2011, 8:46 pm
It is insane.
 

Mary L. (138)
Sunday March 13, 2011, 5:15 pm
At this point I'm very frustrated. I saw a pie chart a few days ago with a great article showing that social programs actually do take more than defense. Since I can't find it, I found three articles.

The first is about the honesty of Robert Gates current Secretary of War and the budget he wants and needs at this point. http://www.slate.com/id/2243297/pagenum/all/#p2.

The second is an Op-Ed piece by Paul Krugman with a graph about defense spending actually going down. http://tinyurl.com/4w7rquq

The third is an example of how the Senators and Representatives can block needed budget changes and moving money around and what will save lives versus what's good for the "district" of the particular congress person. http://tinyurl.com/6b7rofz

Sanity will never prevail as long as the congress is that venal.
 

Abdessalam Diab (150)
Thursday March 17, 2011, 10:50 am
Where are the Americans in this mess.I remember the American public had a very effective role in putting an end to the war in Vietnam. Why can't they do it again? cn't they organize a daily march on the streets,surround the Capitol hill and the white house continously till a decision is taken according to their will to end the war.I am sure they can.WHY DON'T THEY START AND PROVE THAT THEY ARE THE PEOPLE?
 

michael sullivan (1022)
Sunday March 27, 2011, 3:12 pm
What we spend on our wars is ludicrous!
 
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