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Five Numbers That Suggest Ariel Sharon Was a War Criminal - A Must Read for All Pro-Sharon Protagonists and Interested Others


World  (tags: Ariel Sharon, War Criminal )

David
- 226 days ago - huffingtonpost.co.uk
The whitewashing of Sharon's blood-stained legacy was both predictable - and predicted. But that doesn't make it any less forgivable or tolerable. - Ignorance is not bliss so Here are 5 numbers, 5 "objective facts", that suggest Sharon was a war criminal:



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David B. (38)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 6:43 pm
The whitewashing of the late Ariel Sharon's blood-stained legacy was both predictable - and predicted. But that doesn't make it any less forgivable or tolerable.

Listen to Carl Bildt, the Swedish foreign minister: "Ariel Sharon was a great leader of Israel. A brilliant military commander, but also a wise statesman seeing the necessity of peace."

Or US senator and former Republican presidential candidate John McCain: "Few statesmen have made sacrifices that were as difficult, and were prepared to make more painful sacrifices still, for the sake of peace and the security for their nation."

Then there's our own prime minister David Cameron, who said that Sharon "took brave and controversial decisions in pursuit of peace".

It was left to the Independent's veteran Middle East watcher, Robert Fisk, to point out the hypocrisy and cant:

"Cursed in life as a killer by quite a few Israeli soldiers as well as by the Arab world - which has proved pretty efficient at slaughtering its own people these past few years - Sharon was respected in his eight years of near-death.. and he will, be assured, receive the funeral of a hero and a peacemaker. Thus do we remake history. How speedily did toady journalists in Washington and New York patch up this brutal man's image."

As the Jerusalem Fund's Yousef Munayyer tweeted yesterday: "That Sharon was responsible for wanton destruction and mass civilian casualties [isn't] a 'Palestinian perspective' but objective fact."

Here are just five numbers, five "objective facts", that suggest Ariel Sharon was responsible for war crimes.

69

On the evening of 14 October 1953, a commando unit of the Israel Defence Force (IDF) called Unit 101, under the command of a 25-year-old Ariel Sharon, raided the village of Qibya, in the then Jordanian-controlled West Bank. Their attack involved mortars, grenades and shooting; the majority of the victims were civilians.

Sixty-nine Palestinians were killed that night, two-thirds of whom were women and children. Fifty homes were demolished by the Israeli commandos. Sharon later wrote in his diary that he had received orders to inflict heavy damage on the Arab forces in the village: "The orders were utterly clear: Qibya was to be an example for everyone."

As the UN observers on the ground documented: "Witnesses [in Qibya] were uniform in describing their experience as a night of horror, during which Israel soldiers moved about in their village blowing up buildings, firing into doorways and windows with automatic weapons and throwing hand grenades."

The late premier's defenders have tried to argue that Sharon was unaware of the civilians inside these homes. This is nonsense. Again, according to the UN observers, "bullet-riddled bodies near the doorways and multiple bullet hits on the doors of the demolished houses indicated that the inhabitants had been forced to remain inside until their homes were blown up over them".

49

In 1995, the Los Angeles Times reported that retired Israeli brigadier, Arye Biro, had confessed that he and his paratroops had killed 49 unarmed Egyptian prisoners of war, in cold blood, during the 1956 Sinai campaign. The paratroops' brigade commander? General Ariel Sharon.

"There were exactly 49," Biro said, according to the LA Times. "We tied their hands and made them go down to the quarry. They were startled, broken and shattered... As for the question who exactly shot or didn't shoot the workers at the quarry, why is it important? Between us, the main thing is that they shot."

The US paper said Israeli journalists had "tried to publish accounts of the killings for decades but [were] prohibited by government censors". Sharon never offered - and was never asked to offer - an explanation or defence for these killings before he passed away on Saturday.

700

Sabra and Shatila. These are the words that should lead off any serious obituary of the former Israeli PM and general. On 18 September 1982, hundreds, if not thousands of Palestinians, in the Lebanese refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila were slaughtered by the Phalangists, a Lebanese Christian militia who had been ushered into the camps with Sharon's consent, blessing and approval. (Sharon, then the Israeli defence minister, had earlier engineered an invasion of southern Lebanon to try and topple the Lebanese government and install a pro-Israeli Maronite Christian regime.)

In 1983, a formal Israeli commission of inquiry, chaired by president of the supreme Court, Yitzhak Kahan, found Sharon bore "personal responsibility" for the Sabra and Shatila killings; "for ignoring the danger of bloodshed and revenge" and "not taking appropriate measures to prevent bloodshed". "It is impossible to justify the Minister of Defense's disregard of the danger of a massacre," declared the Kahan commission.

And it was, undeniably, a massacre. As Al Ahram reported in 2001, "the count of victims varies between Israel's estimate of 700 to that of independent sources, who say the death toll was as high as 3,500. The exact figure, however, will never be determined."

Or remembered, it seems. Shamefully, on Sunday morning, the BBC's lead news package on the former Israeli prime minister's death didn't deign to mention Sabra or Shatila or the damning verdict of the Kahane commission.

240

According to the Israeli human rights group B'Tselem, at least 240 Palestinians were killed by the IDF between March and May 2002, as part of 'Operation Defensive Shield' - Sharon's massive military invasion of the West Bank and aerial bombardment of Palestinian towns and cities.

This death toll includes the 22 civilians who, according to Human Rights Watch (HRW), lost their lives in the much-disputed 'Battle of Jenin': "Among the civilian deaths were those of Kamal Zgheir, a fifty-seven-year-old wheelchair-bound man who was shot and run over by a tank on a major road outside the camp on April 10, even though he had a white flag attached to his wheelchair; fifty-eight year old Mariam Wishahi, killed by a missile in her home on April 6 just hours after her unarmed son was shot in the street; Jamal Fayid, a thirty-seven-year old paralyzed man who was crushed in the rubble of his home on April 7 despite his family's pleas to be allowed to remove him.."

While HRW refused to validate Palestinian claims of a 'massacre' at Jenin, or anywhere else, it did determine that "Israeli forces committed serious violations of international humanitarian law, some amounting prima facie to war crimes". Amnesty International accused Sharon's IDF of behaving as if "the main aim was to punish all Palestinians".

Or as the Israeli sociologist Baruch Kimmerling famously described Sharon's 2002 strategy: "politicide... [a] gradual but systematic attempt to cause [Palestine's] annihilation as an independent political and social entity".

73,000

Sharon has been lauded by the obituarists for his unilateral withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza in 2005, and the dismantlement of the illegal settlements in the strip. Yet, during his five-year premiership between 2001 and 2006, as Human Rights Watch notes, "the number of Israeli settlers in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights, increased from roughly 388,000 to 461,000" - that is, 73,000. According to Munayyer, Sharon "presided over the single most significant period of Israeli settlement expansion... since the [Menachem] Begin era".

HRW reminds us that "the transfer by an occupying power of its civilians into an occupied territory is a grave breach of the Geneva Conventions, and a potential war crime". Such pesky international conventions never bothered Sharon - "Everyone there should move, should run, should grab more hills, expand the territory," he said, as foreign minister in 1998, referring to the Israeli settlers in the occupied West Bank. "Everything that's grabbed will be in our hands; everything that we don't grab will be in their hands."

"It's a shame that Sharon has gone to his grave without facing justice for his role in Sabra and Shatila and other abuses," says HRW's Middle East director Sarah Leah Whitson.

I agree - but it is even bigger shame that sections of the media, allied with our leading politicians, seem bent on glossing over those abuses.
 

Elderberry C. (47)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 7:13 pm
Where is the conscience? No evidence for one..Tx for posting David....What a horrendous timeline...
 

Jennifer B. (85)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 8:00 pm
Noted
 

jess b (24)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 8:03 pm
I agree with Huffington Post's accounting of war crimes under the leadership of Ariel Sharon. There is no doubt that sections of the media, allied with our leading politicians, seem bent on glossing over those abuses."

America cannot and must not service and provide "aid" to Israel any longer for such abuses, and human rights' violations.
This must stop NOW. IT IS TIME AMERICANS WAKE UP TO WHERE AND HOW THE MONEY TAKEN FROM THEIR PAYCHECKS EVERY MONTH IS SPENT, AND DEMAND AN END TO ALL U.S. 'FOREIGN' AID TO ISRAEL, SETTLEMENT BUILDING ZIONIST OCCUPATION.

FREE PALESTINE. Contact your elected officials/President Obama. Americans would be hollering, if they knew. It is important to expose this travesty and misuse of government funds, and denounce Netanyahu, and Israeli policy, AND the recent Israeli demand for INCREASING U.S. 'AID', WHILE AMERICANS STRUGGLE TO GET BY!!!!!!!

"...
 

jess b (24)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 8:27 pm
Thank you David C for the link to Sharon's "pastrami sandwich" comment!

http://dingo.care2.com/pictures/c2c/galleries/cache/derivative/9/8/9856590.jpg
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (273)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 8:34 pm
I agree with Jess B, Thanks David
 

jess b (24)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 8:53 pm
I agree with Rose.
Americans do not pay for Israel's/Sharon's "pastrami sandwich"!!!!!
Thank you.
 

Henriette Matthijssen (143)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 9:16 pm
The world is better off with Sharon's passing! God will reward Sharon with everything he deserves & has coming to him which is probably eternity in Hell burning for all the harm he cased to so many in his lifetime! He is no hero but a bloody criminal in my view! Thanks David for posting, Elderberry for the forward!
 

Naoko I. (262)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 10:16 pm
Free Palestine!
 

Evelyn B. (43)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 10:34 pm
Not to mention the huge sums given to settlers moved out of Gaza,"proof of his commitment to peace" - 1.5 million US$ per family (more than enough to move to West Bank, build & start new businesses there - better than the lottery!
 

Donn M. (1)
Sunday January 12, 2014, 10:53 pm
A great many leaders in that area and the rest of Africa could be considered war criminals. Sharon and Arafat have met their fates, now would be a good time for Syria's leader to meet his.
 

Alan Lambert (90)
Monday January 13, 2014, 1:08 am
I'm asking the same question I asked elsewhere that never got an answer:

Is there ANY Israeli that doesn't support complete secularization of the nation of Israel or complete abandonment of the current location of the Israeli state that you would NOT consider a War Criminal?
 

Pat A. (117)
Monday January 13, 2014, 4:40 am
I have the greatest respect for Robert Fisk - and have listened to him for years. I also remember when we first learned about the Sabra and Shatila camps - we just couldn't believe it.... it taught us to distrust governments and only trust certain ethical journalists.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Monday January 13, 2014, 8:11 am
Thatcher was also whitewashed, I'm sure when Bush and Cheney, among others kick the bucket, they too will be sent off of "how great tho art." :(
 

Arielle S. (317)
Monday January 13, 2014, 8:50 am
I believe the answer, Alan, is no. It's all enough to turn us into hermit forever and ever....
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday January 13, 2014, 1:09 pm
what's the fuss- mourning a bully butcher? thy David
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday January 13, 2014, 1:13 pm
I actually felt sorry for our brand newly appointed foreign minister having to fulfill his first duty for THAT occasion and speaking blah as was expected of him-contrary to his own personal beliefs- try to forgive him..
 

Birgit W. (144)
Monday January 13, 2014, 1:18 pm
I believe in karma. Thanks for sharing.
 

Bob A. (13)
Monday January 13, 2014, 1:22 pm
David, quoting hate monger and liar Fisk does not tell anything other than about yourself.

Now the whole Arab League may have a party, but at the end of the day they better recall that there are other generals in Israel, capable to destroying Arab armies.

Besides, Sharon gifted you Gaza for free. I have not heard a word of gratitude from any of the Islamist or Arab posters on this thread. Though I did not really hope to see it - I never heard of Palestinians or their propagandists be grateful for what they were give and now have.
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday January 13, 2014, 1:24 pm
Jess I agree totally with your points and we've had thousands of petitions and postings for exactly that. Americans do know by now, BUT more of a problem they are so divided in society that they don't even mind if the money they don't have but still give is going to "defend the Jewish state" .THAT to me appears the bigger, biggest problem. Call it paranoia..
 

Bob A. (13)
Monday January 13, 2014, 1:28 pm
Alan, lost of Islamic PR workers here will spread any lie that some of their buddies ever spread.

You can see the same garbage about "Jenin massacre" though there were no massacre. Calling Gaza "An open prison" though there are no Israelis around and Gaza borders Egypt. "Sabra and Shatila" is somehow attributed to Sharon, though it was an act of revenge by Lebanese Christians for the massacre of Damour, where Palestinians executed the whole population of that Christian town.

Elie Hobeika, who directly commanded at Sabra and Shatila was forgiven and served in Lebanese Parliament.

With Sharon gone, Christians in the Middle East lost pretty much the only person, capable of defending them. For the last several years Christians became a fair game for Islamists in all Arab states, with nobody protesting a word.
 

Shanti S. (0)
Monday January 13, 2014, 1:35 pm
Thank you.
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday January 13, 2014, 1:41 pm
Get off your high horse Bob -Alexander and crawl back into the tiny squirrel you were- that suited you better.
David has broad shoulders and deaf ears to take your bashing and nonsense spreading.
 

jess b (24)
Monday January 13, 2014, 2:55 pm
You are right, Angelika, this seems to be the case. They don't seem to understand or know the implications and connection to the history, and human rights abuses.
Thanks to the mainstream media covering it up.
I saw the docu-film posted by Elderberry. They should all see this, they meaning all the pro Israel apologists, Jewish and otherwise.
I've seen and heard many reports - this shows the wretched ordeal on one family in the West Bank, and the despicable result in just this family from the occupation; the misery inflicted and two dead children, misery and toil every day, man made by Israeli apartheid tyranny and destruction of Palestine and Palestinian people's lives.
SHAME on Israel, and the U>S> for paying for this. If they only knew.. Americans should see this and call for action against all 'aid' to Israel, NOW!
 

jess b (24)
Monday January 13, 2014, 3:04 pm
Bob A. - I never heard of Israelis or the propagandists be grateful for what they were given and now have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wagging the dog again, I see. What an old and disgusting turn the tables distraction to shift responsibility and blame.

It's what Israel propagandists always do and rely on, and they know it. That's the desired and calculated intention of the whole 'fogging' of the truth about Israel human rights' abuses.
The purpose is and always has been to deflect, and feign innocence, gain time and deny. It is an old strategy, and I call you and all the others implicit in this disgusting hasbara.

What else do you have? Nothing!!
 

jess b (24)
Monday January 13, 2014, 3:12 pm
BY THE WAY - ISRAEL IS DEMANDIN THE U.S. FOR AN INCREASE, AGAIN, IN MILITARY 'AID'!!! TO FINANCE IT'S TERROR OPERATIONS AND CARRY A BIG STICK.

ISRAEL THEN CALLS THE U.S. A 'USEFUL IDIOT'. (Netanyahu's EXACT WORDS!)

THAT'S CHUTZPAH, FOR YOU... disgusting and devoid of any sense of shame or personal accountability; only pathetic and psychotic sense of "entitlement", greed and disingenuous manipulation.
no shill
 

jess b (24)
Monday January 13, 2014, 3:16 pm
THE COLOUR OF OLIVES - YOUTUBE BEST DOCMENTARY; POSTED BY ELDERBERRY

http://www.care2.com/news/member/752401167/3699491
 

jess b (24)
Monday January 13, 2014, 3:19 pm
FREE PALESTINE! FREE GAZA!
BOYCOTT ISRAEL. END THE OCCUPATION, END U.S. AID TO ISRAEL.

NO WAR ON IRAN. NO NEW IRAN SANCTIONS.
ISRAEL SANCTIONS NOW!
 

jess b (24)
Monday January 13, 2014, 3:28 pm
Here's Sharon's idea about an Israeli "pastrami sandwich" and how steal Palestinian land.
 
http://dingo.care2.com/pictures/c2c/galleries/cache/derivative/9/8/9856590.jpg
 
 
 

jess b (24)
Monday January 13, 2014, 3:46 pm
Friends of Sabeel North America.

http://www.fosna.org/
 

. (0)
Monday January 13, 2014, 4:50 pm
Very informative article. Thanks for sharing, David.
 

Colleen L. (2)
Monday January 13, 2014, 5:30 pm
Thanks David
 

Aurea Walker (192)
Monday January 13, 2014, 6:54 pm
Regardless of Ariel Sharon's "acts" the man is now dead and to berate him in death is really unacceptable. Do your homework on Nelson Mandela prior to his 27 years in prison, he, Mandela also had a lot of innocent people blood on his hands! We must learn from past atrocities and STOP those in power NOW with the blood on their hands. Little dick cheney has a LOT of blood on his hands, we here in America have mollycoddled cheney, both bush/shits also should be tried for crimes against humanity! Go after these evil creatures while they are alive, not after they are decease. By the way my list is quite short of people that need to be held accountable intentionally, were I to post all the names, my post would be longer than Gone With The Wind. Let s/he without sin cast the first stone.
 

Walter Firrth (64)
Monday January 13, 2014, 7:05 pm
What a lot of hate filled crap.
 

David B. (38)
Monday January 13, 2014, 7:36 pm
"Regardless of Ariel Sharon's "acts" the man is now dead and to berate him in death is really unacceptable."... Why? The man is dead, but none the less, a dead war criminal.
 

David B. (38)
Monday January 13, 2014, 7:36 pm
Don't speak ill of the dead?... Rubbish!
 

Klaus Peters (11)
Monday January 13, 2014, 7:46 pm
May GOD be the judge and decide what is the truth! Being in a coma for so long, maybe he went through hell and back. I do believe in justice in our lifetime AND after!
 

Aurea Walker (192)
Monday January 13, 2014, 8:41 pm
@David B - what part do you not comprehend of my post? WTF is going after Sharon after death his death going to accomplish? Please elucidate me on that. My largest concern is those WHO ARE ALIVE NOW, who must be stopped! You do understand that I would hope! By the way your being snarky towards my posts is very telling of you. I am not in the least bit offended, but amused yes. Add to the topic ole boy, not take digs at others. And regardless of you response I always consider the source. Elucidate on the subject instead of attacking the poster.
 

Klaus Peters (11)
Monday January 13, 2014, 9:59 pm
Well , well , well. A lot of animosity here. The losers of wars will always get the blame right or wrong, the winners have the privilege of distorting history in their favor. But the common people on both sides take the hit and pay the price. Politicians must be the worst criminals on this planet, the biggest liars and opportunists. Murder is murder, done by a sole person, a soldier or a politician hiding behind the constitution of a country. And let us not forget, politicians are mass murderers in the name of a country and simply POWER, no matter how big or small a country, look at Africa!. There are still the ex colonial powers that try to rule countries by division and sell arms to the wrong people. GB (the champion), USA, France and Russia being the main culprits, also sucking their allies into conflicts. New powers are emerging to do the same, like China. A sad world on the brink of destruction!
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Monday January 13, 2014, 11:00 pm
Thanks David.
 

Inge Bjorkman (137)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 2:10 am
Make Love not hate

Let Karma act
 

JOHNLEWIS HODDINOTT (77)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 5:06 am
ARIEL SHARON A LION OF ISRAEL.

CIVILIANS KILLED IN CROSS FIRER IS WHAT IS KNOWN AS
COLLATERAL DAMAGE, E.G AS IN LEBANON AND GAZA .

DON'T BLAME ISRAEL AND DON'T BLAME ARIAL SHARON.

ISRAEL AND THE ISRAELI'S ARE NOT THE AGGRESSORS.

R.I.P ARIEL SHARON.
 

David B. (38)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 5:09 am
"DON'T BLAME ISRAEL AND DON'T BLAME ARIAL SHARON."... Why not?
 

JOHNLEWIS HODDINOTT (77)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 6:44 am
BECAUSE ISRAEL IS RESPONDING TO ATTACKS ON THE JEWISH NATION BY AGGRESSIVE NEIGHBOUR S

EVER BEEN TO ISRAEL DAVID B. IF NOT YOU SHOULD GO AND SEE HOW PEOPLE LIVE THERE.
JUST MAY BE YOU MIGHT HAVE ANOTHER VIEW OF THE COUNTRY.

SHALOM.
 

Bob A. (13)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 6:56 am
Inge, Karma acted by the hands of Sharon.
 

Bob A. (13)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 7:00 am
Jess, wake up.

Sharon freed the Gaza in 2005 by ethnically cleansing his own people to give Arab-Israeli peace a chance. As a response, Israel got Hamas and Hamas's rockets in Gaza.

I doubt you are calling to bring Sharon back so that he would free Gaza from Islamists. Then try to be rational.
 

David B. (38)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 8:38 am
Rational? Sharon was insane.
 

Gary A L. (133)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 10:13 am
thanks David I wont try to discuss any issue when people only want to hate and blame real people have suffered and died because the sociopath politicians have their own agenda and could care less about real people they are all just useful idiots there to service whatever purpose needed while we argue who did what
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 10:49 am
There is some controversy on not speaking ill of the dead. I think that is a premise that could hold some water for a non head of State or those who did not hold positions that inflicted their policies upon others.

This was not a Memorial thread, if it were such a case I'd say, yes, go to another place to air various views. This thread however was not set up to be any kind of Memorial. I leave this for everyone to ponder.
Noam Chomsky Not Speaking Ill of the Dead Imposes a Vow of Silence
 

ewoud k. (73)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 10:56 am
Thanks for posting David.

Facts like these should be known, even if it's just to show that history is never easy, and has different views on the same facts. But at least the facts should be known (as best as they can be described as even in describing facts there's a judgment -often).

To JohnLewis: allow me to say that your comment doesn't put things in the right context, stating that "Israel and the Israelis are not the aggressors" means that you forget the early years of Israel.

Note please that I'm not saying that all Israeli are aggressors, or that they're all war-hungry, I've been over there, and I know that lots of Israeli are wanting peace, and that life under constant fear of an attack isn't easy. I'm neither saying that the Palestinian side never is to blame, and I'm aware that on both sides there are people who just want to go on fighting and are not interested at all in having peace. It's just that your few lines of comment do wrong to history and are -as some other "yelling" comments- out of place here.

You're right Gary, not the right context to discuss this issue here.



 

monka blanke (74)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 11:03 am
I also believe in Karma, thanks David for the post.
 

Brian M. (145)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 11:05 am
The sheer level of delight that that man took in the massacres of refugees at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps is more than enough proof of the blood-thirsty mindset of a war criminal. The real question is how can one NOT speak ill of the dead if they are guilty of so much?
 

jess b (24)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 11:51 am
"Silence is the voice of complicity."
Thank you for the post. Sharon never faced justice for his crimes against humanity.
 

Patsy Olive (0)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 2:34 pm
Noted & tweeted.
 

Eternal Gardener (734)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 4:29 pm
A true terrorist, if ever there was one...
 

Bob A. (13)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 10:10 pm
Brian: "The sheer level of delight that that man took in the massacres of refugees at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps is more than enough proof of the blood-thirsty mindset of a war criminal."???

Elie Hobeika commanded Phalanginst militia, revenging at Sabra and Shatila for the Damour Massacre. Sharon was libeled by the Time Magazine. Later, Sharon sued the magazine and won the case.

Blaming Sharon for Sabra and Shatila is the urban legend, spread by Islamists to stir hate against Israel, and nothing more.
 

Bob A. (13)
Tuesday January 14, 2014, 10:35 pm
Jess and Angelika, you should read other sources, than Islamists writings. That will make your posts more informed and correct.

Relying on deaf ears, closed eyes and shut brain is not the way for humans to communicate. That is for zombies with broad shoulders.
 

David B. (38)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 12:28 am
Many thanks for your intelligent, 'well informed' comments Bob. Read and trashed as trash.
 

Arlene C. (125)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 8:34 am
merci pour tous vos commentaires
 

ewoud k. (73)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 10:12 am
Maybe you should read other sources as well Bob, sources that go back to before -let's say- 1930? 1870? 1250?

To get a real balanced view -if that's ever possible on a complicated issue as the Israeli/Palestinian conflict- you can't rely on "single-sided" sources, nor on (only) recent sources.

Try to have a look at the beginning, and at what lead to the beginning, and try to make a unprejudiced picture of the situation.
And most of all: no insults please.
 

Roger Garin-michaud (61)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 1:33 pm
noted, thanks
 

Abo r. (101)
Wednesday January 15, 2014, 4:35 pm
noted, thanks
 

JOHNLEWIS HODDINOTT (77)
Thursday January 16, 2014, 4:41 am
Ewoud your right we do have to look at the beginning .

So lets start with Exodus in the Holy Scriptures, here is the beginning to make a unprejudiced picture.

Shalom.
 

Bob A. (13)
Thursday January 16, 2014, 7:18 am
Ewoud,

You are welcome to bring earlier sources, as long as they are not edited by biased people.

I visited Israel several times and saw with my own eyes Israeli Arabs marching under red banners in a Communist march and Israeli police escorting them and closing traffic to all others.

I saw Arabs in their traditional dresses, people from various Christian denominations wearing crosses and coming to services - all walking freely near Chassidic Jews. All that without insults, shouting and burning churches, mosques and synagogues.

I saw how tiny Israel is.

I also have been to Muslim countries. I spoke to a lady who actually approved the Honor Killing between the families she knew and helped the murderers to collect the bribe to keep them out of jail.

This is what I am building my opinion on.

I agree with your "most of all: no insults please".
 
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