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Occupy Oakland Campers Defy City Demand to Leave


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: occupy oakland, OWS, freedoms, government )

William
- 1140 days ago - sfgate.com
One day after a man was shot and killed outside the Occupy Oakland encampment, activists said the killing was not connected to their settlement and vowed to remain despite a city demand that they leave immediately.



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William K. (308)
Saturday November 12, 2011, 10:12 am
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Ralph R Sutton (56)
Saturday November 12, 2011, 10:47 am
There is only one way they are going to get the protesters to leave on their own; their demands are going to have to be acknowledged and acted on.
 

Tim C. (2074)
Saturday November 12, 2011, 12:27 pm
thanks
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday November 12, 2011, 12:29 pm
Stay the course!
 

Jane H. (138)
Saturday November 12, 2011, 12:37 pm
noted--I'm really sad about the vet who was so hurt by the police, olsen. He's a hero.
 

Betsy Bee (1038)
Saturday November 12, 2011, 12:37 pm
I cannot figure out why they are doing Oakland. Oakland has been hell on protesters since the sixties.
 

Agnes N. (717)
Saturday November 12, 2011, 1:27 pm
Thanks William..noted
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday November 12, 2011, 2:25 pm
Give them jobs and they'll leave.
 

Mary G. (46)
Saturday November 12, 2011, 2:35 pm
It wouldn't hurt for everyone to listen to some of the complaints. Listening is never a bad thing.
 

Gary A L. (137)
Saturday November 12, 2011, 2:44 pm
typical police state mentality smear the people protesting and then attack seems oakland should be renamed the reichland
 

Jae A. (321)
Saturday November 12, 2011, 3:17 pm
One can only admire, due to distance, such patriotism and action as to those in the park protesting currently. I hope they stand firm and peacefully and that the cops don't go all Nazi on them for doing so....
 

Marco C. (32)
Saturday November 12, 2011, 3:28 pm
How about Occupy protestors demand protection from the Police department by other policing authorities, and Protestors join Oakland residents in demands for an FBI investigation of Imporprieties and civil rights abuses by the Oakland Police Department.

Or State and County government act to restore order in Oakland and come to the aid of Occupy Oakland to restore democracy and support peaceful democratic prinicples.

Or is this just a dream and we are all really Syrians?
 

William K. (308)
Saturday November 12, 2011, 3:46 pm
Quan was elected as a fluke in the automatic runoff voting system. She was not either the first or second highest polling candidate. However, people were very divided about the two front runners. Most people did not place the other front runner as their second choice, so a lot of people on both sides placed Quan as their second choice, and when all was tallied in the runoff, she had the majority, although no one really wanted her in the first place. So, she started her term in a position of weakness, with no real constituent base, and wavering between the will of the business people and those representing the cities many impoverished communities.

Here is an op-ed from SFGate (San Francisco Chronicle) that epitomizes the "complaints" about Occupy Oakland, and it is all spin from the business community. To take this opinion piece seriously, you would think that Occupy Oakland was all homeless people, gang members and anarchists, without nary a "real" protestor in sight. The presence of homeless people to me is perfectly legitimate. They have the right to protest about their plight; they are part of the 99%. The fact that the op-ed author sees them as not legitimate really belies his biases. Anarchists (including police provocateurs) make up about 1% (un-ironically) of the number of people at the protests, based on the numbers that were present at the general strike. To say that Occupy Oakland is not about a legitimate protest anymore and is about public health and safety is essentially asserting that media spin is reality, because the media is not reporting on what the protestors are demanding. The news cycle is not about the protest anymore, but is about these pro-authoritarian excuses to bring the police down on them. The protest is still the protest, but you would not know that from the coverage.

The polls stating that 73% of people polled disapprove of Mayor Quan's handling of the protest were undertaken by the Chamber of Commerce. The CoC does not have the protestors interest at heart, I am sorry to say. One of the comments on the op ed piece, by commentor "erniem" states: "Many of us have been saying this for a month. Oddly enough, the shooting had nothing to do with OO. The camp is the problem, and it needs to go immediately, followed by Jean Quan and Nancy Nadel. Brunner would be a nice absence as well." Here we can see an example of what is going on here; the business sector is trying to simultaneously take out two birds with one stone; the Occupy Oakland protest and Mayor Quan and others that do not kowtow to the interests of the businesses.
 

William K. (308)
Saturday November 12, 2011, 3:49 pm
Oakland police say they have received nearly 790 complaints from around the world about officers' actions during a tear-gas fueled clash with anti-Wall Street protestors last month.
 

Kathy Chadwell (365)
Saturday November 12, 2011, 4:10 pm
I agree with Ralph, they didn't come there just to go home.
LOL they are protesters, not students. You can't tell them to jump and expect them to ask how high.
Never going to happen:) Thank you William
 

William K. (308)
Saturday November 12, 2011, 4:20 pm
World-Wide Condemnation of Police Action Against Occupy Oakland
 

Myron Scott (70)
Sunday November 13, 2011, 12:32 am
Thanks for the Quan back story, William. I was wondering how in hell she ever got elected.

None of the official reasons for the order to end the Oakland encampment make any sense. I've read that the both the Salt Lake City and Burlington encampments have been closed or ordered closed; but at least in those cases there's a plausible rationale in the fact that the deaths there (apparently a suicide and an overdose or accidental asphixiation from a propane heater or booth) occurred inside the camps and involved protestors, so that the camps themselves could be argued to be crime scenes. That's a stretch, of course; but the order to close the Oakland site lacks even that weak rationale. It's seems as proven as a negative ever can be proven that there was absolutely no connection between the Oakland camp and the killing there. So, that rationale makes no sense. Finally, Oakland officials have come up with the silly argument that the encampment is diverting police from stopping violence elsewhere in the city.

In other words, the city has elected to divert resources to intensively monitor the camp 24/7 (why?), which only proves that police presence couldn't stop violence from happening adjacent to the camp. If anything, this disproves the premise that dispersing the police throughout the city in greater numbers would reduce violence elsewhere.

In fact, even before Occupy Oakland, the city was one of the most violent cities in the nation. The following is from a letter from the city's police union to the protestors asking them to leave the camp: "Oakland is not an 'average city' -- we have the highest violent crime rate in California. We are the 5th most violent city in the United States -- with more shootings and homicides than any city west of the Mississippi," the letters says.

The Occupy Oakland encampment didn't create this situation and closing the camp won't cure it. Kicking Quan out of office seems a solution more likely to succeed. Improving socioeconomic conditions throughout the city might help even more; but that would mean doing something to actually benefit the 99%.
 

Pat A. (116)
Sunday November 13, 2011, 1:15 am
William - thanks for this, and for your explanation on how Mayor Quan got elected. Reminds me of the salutory tale of how Margaret Thatcher got elected - tactical voting - lots of the Tory party wanted to 'send messages' to their two front-runner candidates - and THEN look what happened!!! (eeek!). May God send we all learn from this - and don't let it happen again!
 

KS Goh (0)
Sunday November 13, 2011, 4:26 am
Thanks for the article.
 

Rita White (55)
Sunday November 13, 2011, 7:35 am
Noted,thanks for the article.
 

Myron Scott (70)
Sunday November 13, 2011, 10:17 am
Reading all William's recent news stories as time has allowed, I've gotten a clearer picture of how little Quan seems to be in control. The people pulling her strings and pushing her buttons behind the scenes look worse even than she, and that starts with the chief of police. When we have a major US city being run by the police, we might as well have juntas in control. Military dictatorships and paramilitary police dictatorships look about the same to me.
 

Joe R. (190)
Sunday November 13, 2011, 10:19 am
Noted and thanks.
 

Myron Scott (70)
Sunday November 13, 2011, 10:50 am
It just hit me (I'm slow), the real anarchism isn't in the OO encampment, it's in the Oakland city power structure, public and private.
 

Myron Scott (70)
Sunday November 13, 2011, 1:11 pm
On second thought, "anarchism" is the wrong word. "Anarchy" is the right word for official Oakland.
 

Myriam G. (33)
Sunday November 13, 2011, 5:25 pm
Thank you for raising the awareness, William!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday November 13, 2011, 11:35 pm
Thank you for the information.
 
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