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Are "We the People" the Terrorists Now?


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: war, terrorism, americans, military, news, obama, politics )

Tamara
- 613 days ago - truth-out.org
And for the most part, "we the people" have allowed all of this to happen. And now, as this war on terror turns inward and begins devouring us from within, we have to ask ourselves, "What have we created?"



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Kit B. (276)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 10:04 am

As Thomm Hartmann said, none of us can imagine that horror but all of us should. We are giving away our most basic freedoms, our rights, to a cooked up fear of terrorists. Are terrorists real? Sure and so is influenza, cholera, yellow fever, pertussis, and numerous other killing diseases, yet we still move about in public. To be removed from public transportation because of the "sound" of your name or the color of your skin, is antithetical to all we claim to be as Americans. This takes outrageous to new heights and becomes deplorable. I don't feel safer because my fellow Americans are harassed and humiliated.
 

Kit B. (276)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 10:06 am

We The People are allowing the agencies that are supposed to act to protect Americans to terrorize Americans, so yes, we are complicit.
 

Diane O. (148)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 10:28 am
Hi Kit! What would you call those men who were flying planes into the twin towers? How about the terrorist doctor in our military at Fort Hood? How about the "Underwear Bomber" or the "Shoe Bomber."

How about the four Americans killed in Benghazi? Not terrorists? If not, then what do you call them? I'm curious because I've never ever read a statement like yours before and I'm curious enough to ask you where it came from. : )
 

Richard Zane Smith (86)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 10:43 am
to be "SAFE" americans will watch others be humiliated, and even will themselves go through dehumanized humiliation. Now that diverse peoples are turned into melting-pot american citizens, they've become part of a herd, complete with herd mentality. herds need control, and authorities will do what ever it takes to create order...including culling of those who are "different"..... this is likely just the beginning.
 

Diane O. (148)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 10:53 am
Richard, you cannot be coherent.
 

Ana Passos (2)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 12:22 pm
Say Diane, should this happen to you and your kids, would you find it acceptable? Tell me, where do you draw the line? If you traveled to an Arab country and this happened to you because you could be a terrorist or.. a spy.. because there are spies too, was this treatment acceptable???
 

Marianne B. (113)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 4:26 pm
tough to live in these times when everyone one is suspect caution? paranoia?
 

Richelle Rausch (43)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 6:14 pm
Only humans commit terrorism. And it happens all over the world. Every race, every nationality, every religion has engaged in terrorism. When will it stop?
 

Edith B. (141)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 9:31 pm
This is terrifying to me, that any of us can be arrested with no real cause and detained with no access to legal help. People like Diane O. have fallen for this "terrorist" searching so completely, and there are so many like her, that we are fast approaching becoming a police state.
 

Jerry B. (120)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 10:07 pm
Noted..thanks Tamara!
 

Marie W. (65)
Thursday January 24, 2013, 11:39 pm
Now?!, we have been since 911.
 

Laura R. (15)
Friday January 25, 2013, 12:39 am
This is crazy! How can anyone let this happen?!
This is one of the reasons I would never want to live in the US.
 

Natasha Salgado (530)
Friday January 25, 2013, 1:44 am
We as a human species are a horror show. We are greedy,arrogant,callous and mostly ignorant. If you think our situation is bleak now...look at 20 years from now. This world needs a fresh start. It simply cannot survive this way.
 

Diane O. (148)
Friday January 25, 2013, 2:52 am
Natasha, I could not disagree with you more. The taxpayers shell out billions of dollars every year to take care of our disabled, poverty line individuals, and we fund educational grants....the list is long....as well as sending billions of dollars to other countries in the form of foreign aid.

In America, a person can be raised in a poor environment and have the opportunity to chart their own path to success if they are willing to put the time into taking an idea and turning it into a profitable business. We also live in the least racist country in the world.

America is not perfect but we are still the greatest country in the world. We aren't perfect because nothing ever is but we strive to be the best. Millions of immigrants want to become US citizens for a reason.

At the moment, our government is trying very hard to bring socialism to America with redistributive wealth, universal healthcare and taking our rights away from us. We are living in an era of progressive Americans who believe that government in America should be making decisions for us when, in fact, they have no business in our private lives. We are at a crossroads in our country and my guess, especially after Obama's recent Inaugural Address, is that Obama has brought America, once again, to her feet and hopefully she will react again in 2014 by replacing the democrats with more republicans.

You are right that our country simply cannot survive "this" way. Obama did not win this election by a landslide far from it. 47% of Americans did NOT vote for his vision for America. As we witnessed in 2010 the Republicans are down but they aren't out. The American people told us in 2010 that they aren't buying Obama's "idea" of what "his" America should look like.

So, that said, we remain a divided country. My guess is that Obama has lost the support of some of his own democrats in congress. I also believe over the next four years that Obama will morph into a party of one. Obama has over reached. All eyes on 2014 when we will know how America feels about our radical President who is now "out of the closet" and can no longer be called a "centrist" by the democrats.
 

John Gregoire (255)
Friday January 25, 2013, 5:47 am
Excuse the format but I rcvd this very pertinent email today. We have allowed our lifestyles to become terrorized and when we do, the terrorists have won. I'm so glad I grew up in the 50s!
You Know, By Today's Standards None Of Us Was Suppose To Ever Make It This Far In Life. LOL


HIGH SCHOOL -- 1957 vs. 2012

Scenario 1:
Jack goes quail hunting before school and then pulls into the school parking lot with his shotgun in his truck's gun rack.
1957 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.

2010 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

Scenario 2:
Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.
1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2010 - Police called and SWAT team arrives -- they arrest both Johnny and Mark. They are both charged with assault and both expelled even though Johnny started it

Scenario 3:
Jeffrey will not be still in class, he disrupts other students.
1957 - Jeffrey sent to the Principal's office and given a good paddling by the Principal. He then returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2010 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. He becomes a zombie. He is then tested for ADD. The family gets extra money (SSI) from the government because Jeffrey has a disability.

Scenario 4:
Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college and becomes a successful businessman.
2010 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. The state psychologist is told by Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has an affair with the psychologist.

Scenario 5:
Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school..
1957- Mark shares his aspirin with the Principal out on the smoking dock
2010- The police are called and Mark is expelled from school for drug violations. His car is then searched for drugs and weapons.

Scenario 6:
Pedro fails high school English.
1957- Pedro goes to summer school, passes English and goes to college.
2010- Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against the state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English is then banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.

Scenario 7:
Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the Fourth of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up a red ant bed.
1957 - Ants die.
2010 - ATF, Homeland Security and the FBI are all called. Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. The FBI investigates his parents -- and all siblings are removed from their home and all computers are confiscated. Johnny's dad is placed on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

Scenario 8:
Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1957 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2010 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.


Shows how frightened and terrorized we have allowed ourselves to become!

 

Cheryl O. (82)
Friday January 25, 2013, 7:11 am
I really hate to step on toes today but Diane you need to wake up. I think you really need to get your head out of the sand.
 

Sue H. (1)
Friday January 25, 2013, 7:18 am
I will never fly again. I find it unacceptable for a total stranger to put their hands on me or take a look at me under my clothing. OK at a Hospital but not at an airport.
 

Kit B. (276)
Friday January 25, 2013, 8:21 am

Clearly this article is about ABUSE of power, then again one must read the article to comprehend the story. This is not the American way of treating people and respecting their individual rights, the is the road to a police state. Nor is this the idealized or real truth of how our country is supposed to work. Sure, we want some limited increased power to find potential terrorists, that does not mean we want ourselves or fellow citizens treated as though this were some Orwellian world and WE have no rights when arrested by any police agency.

The woman of focus in this article is an American citizen, she was treated in an abominable way with no regard for human or American rights - if that does not make people think, make them want to take a long look at the new additions ( or subtractions) from the bill of rights, than I suggest they must be living in a self created Utopian - idealized world that has no basis in current reality.

Once government takes power it will not lightly return that power to the people. That will require strong and concentrated efforts by the voice of the people.

There is a lot of screaming and shouting about any limitation on gun rights. What possible good can a gun do when you have supported (Patriot Act) and the dissembling of all other rights?
 

Past Member (0)
Friday January 25, 2013, 9:11 am
@Diane
"What would you call those men who were flying planes into the twin towers?"

Those men were being watched by the FBI for 4+ years. Their file was handed over to the CIA by request. When they finally bought one way tickets, bush/cheney were notified and bush was whisked to a class room in FL. Cheney assumed command at the WH and the terrorists were LET to carry out their mission.

YOU wouldn't know that because you're on their side and don't want to acknowledge the truth.
www.bing.com/search?q=bush+let+911+happen

See for yourself if you dare open your eyes.
 

Beverly T. (82)
Friday January 25, 2013, 9:17 am
May 27, 2011
"President Barack Obama signed into law a four-year extension of post-Sept. 11 powers to search records and conduct roving wiretaps in pursuit of terrorists."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/27/patriot-act-extension-signed-obama-autopen_n_867851.html

Dec 28, 2012
"Congress gave final approval on Friday to a bill extending the government’s power to intercept electronic communications of spy and terrorism suspects, after the Senate voted down proposals from several Democrats and Republicans to increase protections of civil liberties and privacy.
Related
The Senate passed the bill by a vote of 73 to 23, clearing it for approval by President Obama, who strongly supports it. Intelligence agencies said the bill was their highest legislative priority."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/29/us/politics/senate-votes-to-extend-electronic-surveillance-authority-under-fisa.html?_r=0

These are two I could find. There might be other bits and peices of these laws that must be acted on seperately too but this is quite enough to prove the point.
No fanfare, no discussion, no media coverage DONE,

And there ya have it.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday January 25, 2013, 9:20 am
"How about the four Americans killed in Benghazi? Not terrorists? If not, then what do you call them?"

What do you call the people you invade that retaliate?
What do you call the person that invades your home because he's so down and out from poverty that he has no choice but to rob people with money?

Why do you go along with selectively fearing what the media tells you to fear while you have no fear of home invasion, which is more likely?

Great issue, Tamara! We don't talk about the fascist coup of america near enough.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday January 25, 2013, 9:25 am
@Beverly
"President Barack Obama signed into law a four-year extension of post-Sept. 11 powers to search records and conduct roving wiretaps in pursuit of terrorists."

Have you considered the power the media has over this "keep us safe" issue? If Obama undid everything the republicans built up, can you imagine the slaughter fest they would have in alarming the sheep who cower in fear at the telling?

Have you heard about the 4th reich? Do you forget who and what Karl Rove is?
 

Past Member (0)
Friday January 25, 2013, 9:29 am
@ John...Perfect. This is what fascism has done to us.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday January 25, 2013, 1:00 pm
"Are "We the People" the Terrorists Now?"
We have been since the National Defense Appropriation Act of 2011, which made our backyards part of the battlefield in the "War on Terror", (we should call it a 'war of terror').
 

Ray Lovelace (1)
Friday January 25, 2013, 1:06 pm
During the Battle of Britain, July-Dec 1940, London was being bombed daily by the Luftwaffe. 23,002 were killed and 32 thousand wounded. The King's advice: "Keep Calm and Carry On". On the other hand, with far fewer dead, the USA has turned into something the 1940's Allies would have seen as the same as Nazi Germany. Our domestic terrorists are consistently underestimated. Additionally, we are bombarded with ever-increasing amounts of pesticides and herbicides, many of which began their corporate lives as antipersonnel weaponry. We allow poisons to be pumped underground which then migrate to our drinking water, not even to recover natural gas for ourselves, but for sale for the profit of a very few. We have planes crossing our sky spewing God knows what, because we've been systematically lied to, claiming they're "just contrails," when anyone who looked at the sky a couple of decades ago knows better.
Yeah, we've got domestic terrorists, but they won't ever even be questioned by the TSA. "Our" government is in full collusion.
 

Allan Yorkowitz (453)
Friday January 25, 2013, 2:51 pm
In this case, this woman was treated as a possible terrorist by name only. There was no probable cause to subject her to this level of humiliation.
Diane- you know I am on your side, but, the 9/11 bombers, although this has not been discussed to my knowledge, in part the fault of Emory Riddle to allow them into their flight school.Their profile should have been a red flag. Again, how could Ft. Hood been detected? This was a well respected doctor.
My point is, this woman was dealt in an outrageous manner. This should have been an incident of investigation, not integration to the point of humiliation.
 

Joanne Dixon (38)
Friday January 25, 2013, 4:17 pm
You don't even have to have an "ethnic" name or appearance to be humiliated by these morons. I knew a veteran who lost a leg while in the military, fighting for us and for our rights. I would describe his name as White Celtic Catholic, which, while not WASP, is still extremely mainstream. He was so humiliated the first time he flew after 9/11 that he will never fly again as long as he lives. I did not request so do not have details, but I saw the pain in his eyes (not a normal facial expression for him) and, frankly, I didn't want the details.
 

jo M. (3)
Friday January 25, 2013, 10:03 pm
Things have definitely changed, haven't they John?
 

Diane O. (148)
Saturday January 26, 2013, 2:33 am
Allan, Fort Hood happened due to "political correctness." Many observed him as being a Muslim (prayers, his comments, etc) but they opted not to get involved....to just leave it alone because it they pressed it they would've been charged with some form of racism. Political correctness has ruined our country IMO.

The terrorists who entered the flight school in Florida entered the country legally. Remember The Patriot Act was put in place after 9/11 and it's still in place today. The Patriot Act is instrumental in having businesses alert the government when excessive bomb supplies are purchased. The Beauty Supply business has to report when "acetone" is purchased in large amounts, etc. But, I do agree with you that there were many red flags but remember we didn't have a reporting/alert system in place at that time. Now we do.
 

Madeleine watt (256)
Saturday January 26, 2013, 2:25 pm
May the witch with a b rot in the hot place down below. This is what she would condemn the women of her state to spend the rest of their lives. so this is where she should spend eternity.

I realize this is not enlightened. I should envision her having an epiphany and suddenly becoming enlightened, but at the moment I just want to slap her. Maybe tomorrow?
 

Madeleine watt (256)
Saturday January 26, 2013, 2:26 pm
I published this in the wrong place somehow. Sorry! This was supposed to go with the NEW MExico legislator!!!!!
 

Charlie Rush (55)
Saturday January 26, 2013, 9:11 pm
Sometimes, there's a 'fungus amongus'.

And, yes, we are creating terrorists among us.
I don't particularly like tattle-tales, but, in this case, an exception must be made.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday January 26, 2013, 10:48 pm
Why there as many racists as there are people that watch fox as "the only news".

"they opted not to get involved....to just leave it alone because it they pressed it they would've been charged with some form of racism. Political correctness has ruined our country IMO."

And still more of your idiocy:
"The terrorists who entered the flight school in Florida entered the country legally."

The terrorists were WATCHED all the way from start to FINISH, Diane. Are you seriously trying to have a conversation about 911, while tip toeing around the 2,500lb elephant in the room? It's so obvious that you are trying to be relevant while being so useless at the same time.
I'm surrounded by people like you. 42% of americans think and act exactly as you do. All avoiding the elephant because fox hasn't given the word. They're not going to. They are paid not to!

Please donate via PayPal to my fund to relocate at:

getmethef*ckoutofhere@fourthreich.org
 

Diane O. (148)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 2:55 am
Personally, I believe this is more excessive "drama" from the left wing. Jason you are still allowing one news outlet, Fox News, to take possession of your body. Don't like Fox News? Don't watch it. There are so many biased left wing media outlets that it's hard to know the actual number. Do you see the republicans obsessing over them? No. We know they are there and, yes, we do read the comments to better understand why the left is incapable of criticizing Obama's many failures but we don't attack one of your news sources. Why? Because it's simply a waste of time and unimportant.

Always remember that 47% of Americans did not vote for Obama. These people aren't racists. They simply have never believed in Obama's vision for our country.

And, yes, the terrorists who entered our country prior to 9/11 entered our country legally whether you want to believe that or not. We didn't have The Patriot Act at that time. That came later.

You seem to have a problem having a discussion without personally attacking someone who doesn't think like you. Personal attacks can get you into trouble on Care 2. Just state your case, like an adult, without personal attacks and you'll find that you can actually have an adult conversation with Care 2 members.

What a concept!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 9:12 am
Yeah, yeah, Diane. You keep saying that and I keep telling you, we have to watch what the enemy of democracy is doing. Get that through your skull. Name the many left wing media outlets. It' 9 to 1 fascist. Nothing there.
"Do you see the republicans obsessing over them?" Are you kidding? You do it all the time. It's being talked about on the Sun. new talk today.

"Always remember that 47% of Americans did not vote for Obama." How do we know what the real numbers are with the rampant right wing election fraud? It was most likely closer to 42%.

Heard that Krauthammer liar this morning refer to the 50 years of progress and prosperity as "the 50 years of liberal ascension". WHAT planet is he on? The ascension didn't start until Reagan elitism!

"You seem to have a problem having a discussion without personally attacking someone who doesn't think like you."
Like me or like 52%+ of the people?
My case can be nothing but an attack. We are being assaulted with stupidity and austerity! You don't have conversations. You're a shill and troll. You're here to defend the indefensible.

See how I address your smoke screen and how you selectively duck what you don't want in the conversation?

911! They let it happen! Isn't that important to you?
 

Diane O. (148)
Sunday January 27, 2013, 11:33 am
It's hard to respond to a radical, Jason. You are an attack machine. Obviously you don't have enough confidence in your own ideas to share it like a confident adult.

The rest of the garbage you posted is not worth replying to.....
 
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