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8 Reasons the Duggars -- TV's Christian Baby Factory -- Are A Creepy Cult


Society & Culture  (tags: americans, bizarre, Duggar family, children, society, women, odd, religion, politics, family )

Carrie
- 593 days ago - alternet.org
Instead of recruiting members, Michelle and Bob just created them with their own bodies. Why do mainstream media outlets like Today and People treat the Duggars as though they're just an ordinary family?



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Pat A. (117)
Thursday September 6, 2012, 2:24 am
Very good article - quick to read - and make sure you don't miss page two, item 7 - where the Duggars praise the KKK!!! ARGHHHH!!!
 

Carrie B. (278)
Thursday September 6, 2012, 2:26 am
I was pretty astounded by that one too Patricia, but the entire thing was very frightening. Also imagine their carbon footprint! Yikes!
 

Giana Peranio Paz (367)
Thursday September 6, 2012, 2:53 am
Scary!! Poor kids!! I'll never complain about my childhood again! In comparison, it was heaven on earth!
 

Dave C. (204)
Thursday September 6, 2012, 6:31 am
scary.......and sad......
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Thursday September 6, 2012, 8:52 pm
Queer folks - just churning babies out like reams of paper. These kids will not be happy ones - they will be lost in the crowd - Mum/Dad won't have time to tend to all their emotional needs. This ODD couple need sterilising.,
 

Carol H. (229)
Friday September 7, 2012, 5:51 am
not a fan of the Duggars
 

bob m. (32)
Friday September 7, 2012, 8:19 am


Sad , unheathy looking buncha kids eh?.. WHAT SHINES THROUGH MOST CLAEARLY THOUGH IS THE BILIOUS CONTEMPT OF MANY HERE IN c2 land for christianity .. a (amongst other) cynical attack .. on people who yes... are not living as I would but I tend to think that most of these kids will have positive lives and most importantly have a grounding (if not always perfect) in the Name of Gods' Son to grow in.
God Bless them.
 

Terrie Williams (753)
Friday September 7, 2012, 9:13 am
Oh, Bob......The only contempt, as you put it, for "Christianity" here in care2 is NOT for Jesus or His Father....it is way more than contempt my frair, it is REVULSION for the KIND of Christianity MANY now consider the ONLY Christianity and that is Supply-side, Pseudo Christian FUNDAMENTALISM...AKA THE AMERICAN TALIBAN. As for the TRUE teachings of JESUS in the NEW TESTAMENT, which the Fundies have conveniently EXCLUDED from their warped ideology, they chucked that from their belief system a ways back, because it doesn't mesh with their WORSHIP OF MAMMON. Greed, self-involvement, self-adulation and the disgusting 'Prosperity Doctrine' are NOT what Jesus taught. It also makes of women, CHATTEL or as in Mrs. Duggar's case, A BROOD MARE. It also looks down it's nose at other human beings that are not 'the right race' as others to be persecuted, hounded, harassed, driven from their homes, lands and communities for not being white, Evangelical or Dawg forbid, not CHRISTIAN. And Bob, if THAT is what YOU consider 'Christian' I pity you for your blindness and for your small-mindedness. And IF their IS a God......you will be judged in the manner you yourself have judged others.....you better bring fixins for S'mores my frair.

We have the RIGHT to our OPINIONS and BELIEFS, Bob. So do you. If you do not like what the majority on this site opine or believe, you can go somewhere else that is in keeping with your opines and beliefs. OR, you can stay here, develop an OPEN MIND, try to learn something other than your own comfortable bubble and perhaps give your opinions on things. Maybe you will come to understand that America is made up of many and myriad thoughts, beliefs, opinions, views, yearnings, hopes and dreams....and there are people out there that want to crush all of them save their own. If you are one of those....you will find no harbour here.

All that being said, IT IS ONLY MY OPINION. My beliefs are my own but I can tell you, Bob, I adhere to NO RELIGIOUS DOGMA because, in my OPINION, they are nothing more than rules and fantasies written by MEN to CONTROL the masses and to keep them ignorant and in fear. I do not need nor want that in my life. However, though I cannot be considered a Christian or a Jew or a Hindu or a Buddhist or a Muslim or any sect, cult or adherent thereof, I try very hard every day to care for the sick, give succor to the poor, hurt not the young or lesser among us nor to dominate the world of nature but give it assistance when and how I can. I give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and what is NATURE'S unto Nature. If that is a 'God' then I worship at the feet of Nature because it is the only thing that is perfect in this world and the closest I will ever get to a "God". But this, Bob, is only ME.

As for the likes of the Duggars......like I said, she's a Brood Mare and will eventually succumb to so many births. But Mr. Duggar doesn't care. She dies or becomes incapacitated, he can always get another one. This belief that women are here solely to breed out the other races and keep the white population as the majority, is sick, inhumane, hateful, ignorant and supremacist. If Mr. Duggar wasn't a millionaire, all those children would be on welfare, food stamps and public housing......they would be exactly what they so despise.....

99% of so-called 'Reality TV' is nothing more than distraction, brain numbing ignorance, marked brutality and a whole lot of inhumane actions. I do not watch any of it more than one episode. In that one episode I find any or all of my criteria I just expressed, I never watch it again. The Duggars fit that criteria.
 

Brian M. (144)
Friday September 7, 2012, 9:50 am
The Duggars are fundamentalist Christians. They are what's known as "quiver-keepers," because their myth book, the bible, has a line in it that "children are like arrows for the lord...," or something like that. So, they breed and breed and breed and will probably continue to do so until Mrs.Duggar dies in labor.

Sure, I object to their politics and their religion, and I strongly object to their views on reproduction...but that being said, I'm not sure they merit extreme vilification. They are probably relatively good neighbors, particularly if you have a barn to raise. I just don't understand why TLC has become such a freak show for people with grotesquely large families, sister wives, little people, toddlers with tiaras and tantrums, etc., etc. Is it because of our fascination with those who are different from us. Clearly, the Duggars represent a lifestyle that most Americans would never choose.

The best way to vote against the Duggars then would be to change the channel. Watch PBS or something. TLC is just too weird.
 

paula eaton (30)
Friday September 7, 2012, 10:15 am
How can they give each kid the attention they need? It is creepy.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday September 7, 2012, 12:25 pm
I don't object to their religion, but I think God expects people to use " common sense " ,& common sense should tell them enough is enough! They really do need to be " spayed & neutered! "
 

Donna B. (36)
Friday September 7, 2012, 12:34 pm
Noted. Found out some things I didn't know. I don't care what anyone says, that's just TOO many kids! Thx Carrie for posting this! Very interesting indeed.
 

Beth Tatum (79)
Friday September 7, 2012, 12:38 pm
WOW! Scary people. I hope at least some of the kids will come to their senses.
 

bob m. (32)
Friday September 7, 2012, 1:14 pm


I have no particular affiliation with some more "fundamentalist groups other than my recognition of who i AM IN CHRIST AND wHO HE IS; IN RELATION TO tALIBAN ISLAM DECEIT... .. LET ME ASSURE YOU THAT THESE PEOPLE ON THEIR darkest day are not in any way comparable to the taliban.. nor are any who have given their hearts to Christ and live by faith in His Gracious Kingdom and purpose.
One is LOST ..the other Found, redeemed, saved, and eternally remembered.. under HIS Precious BLOOD.
Arrows indeed.. ..And PRAISE His Name that Holds the Bow ; Almighty in His sweet lovingkindness and Power to make each life a vessel of Giving,, a mystery amongs multitudes of mysteries lost on those wh live according to the flesh.. but designed to purposes YOUWARD ..even to those who castigate and spit upon HIS Name daily... ...for He came to save those lost even like myself who was dead in trespasses and sins .. I grow daily in His amazing grace.. as He "tramps out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored".. a wonderful saying
 

Brian M. (144)
Friday September 7, 2012, 1:19 pm
Lay off the grapes of wrath, all they make is vinegar.
 

Rosie Lopez (73)
Friday September 7, 2012, 1:21 pm
yikes!!
 

Kit B. (277)
Friday September 7, 2012, 1:26 pm

This thinking was just fine when we lived in a world where children were used as support for the family. Whether one lived on a farm or in a city, children supported the family with work.

We no longer think like that, we have new ideas and have for over a hundred years. We want our children well cared for, protected from harm and well educated so that they can compete in the market for well paying and long term jobs once they finish school. There is no justification for this insulting disregard for the health, both mentally and physically of children in favor of the parents desire to be ever pregnant and procreating in a world already very over populated.


Why is this crazy person proselytizing Christianity, on a thread about this family and their stupid ideas?
 

Kit B. (277)
Friday September 7, 2012, 1:29 pm

I have to say, Carrie I had not heard of these people and now I can't say I feel very good about them. What the hell is the TV promoting? I am so glad that I am not that bored that I watch this crap on TV. Try reading a book folks, there are much better things to do then watch crap TV.
 

Brian M. (144)
Friday September 7, 2012, 1:31 pm
"Why is this crazy person proselytizing Christianity, on a thread about this family and their stupid ideas?"

Possible answers:
1. Sincere believer
2. Armchair believer
3. Troll, insincere, just trying to stir the pot

One thing though, if they are sincere, then they are doing a poor job of selling their ideology.
 

bindy hopper (0)
Friday September 7, 2012, 1:51 pm
Bob, you're just babbling now. Really, make a point or be quiet.
I don't much like how the kids are not taught to think critically or allowed any dissenting opinions. I know plenty of good christian friends who home-school with us, and while they are Christian they would never trap their kids inside such a small world. It is a cult when you're not allowed to think, leave or have your own opinions. Sorry but the Duggars is just a smaller version of FDL, without the sister wives. Their kids grow in the same brain washing. I do think it's sad.
 

David Menard (43)
Friday September 7, 2012, 4:18 pm
Creepy fits very well nuff said
 

Emily Drew (88)
Friday September 7, 2012, 5:04 pm
Personally, I think the Duggar parents are the most selfish people I have ever heard of. This may seem harsh but seriously, they choose to focus only on their "amazing and beautiful" family and donít look to see how so many others including people and animals are suffering due to overpopulation. Plus they completely brain wash their children. And if they love kids so much they could have adopted 19 kids!!! Yes, I am very aware that it is a difficult process but if they cared about and loved kids as much as they say they do they would have been able to do it. And if you adopt from foster care there are many benefits such as getting your money back for the home study and for adopting the children plus if adopting children with disabilities the state will often pay for any extra costs for the child such as therapy. I donít understand how they think bringing more children into the world is good when there are so many children in the world who donít have a place to permanently call home.
 

Tom Edgar (56)
Friday September 7, 2012, 5:46 pm
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Oh cut it out, they are no nuttier than the rest who believe in some omnipotent God or other, it is just a matter of extremes. Catholics also believe in sex only for procreation, unless your a Priest, Americans in particular are gullible for any form of way out religion, being so indoctrinated from birth that when they wish to breakaway from their born into faith they willingly rush into another instead of seeing that freedom FROM religion is much more fulfilling, as you have to make your own morality and lifetime decisions, being answerable only to yourself and your peers. Come on in the atheistic waters are warm and welcoming, and you get to baptise yourself.
 

marie tc (164)
Friday September 7, 2012, 5:53 pm
It is quite common for a Muslim family to have 10 12 15 children and in the UK it is just accepted as we are told Islam calls all good Muslim wives to produce as many children as possible.
Yet this Cristian family I dont know but I feel it must be one of few to have so many children are causing such a fuss. I find it odd so much interest is being drawn to it.In UK we have some families similar but usually the parents do not work and live off the taxpayer so attention is drawn to them in the press.only for that reason
Personally one was enough for me ??????? I think it almost sounds as if this woman is addicted to being pregnant as she does not have much time to give to her individual off springs
 

Lois Jordan (55)
Friday September 7, 2012, 5:54 pm
Brian M. reminded me of that group they belong to--Quiverfull....or something close to that. There's a bunch of them that support this type of "parenting." And, Emily, I'll take your "harshness" and raise you one....in my humble opinion, this is a mental illness. While Drs. prescribe all sorts of pills for non-existent "disorders" with side effects worse than the so-called disease...I think what the Duggars have is truly worthy of therapy and medication. Some people call them lunatic extremists, but I'm sure there's an even more appropriate label.
 

Gloria H. (88)
Friday September 7, 2012, 6:19 pm
typical dysfunctional family. The first one of them to write an autobiogrpahy "I was a Duggar" will make millions. The last one, well..."Last of the Duggars" or "I was the 2nd to the middle Duggar" may be able to sell to the tabloids..if there still are tabloids. By then we will have supported all the offspring on tax payer backs with medicare, food stamps after the promo events are all over with.
I wouldn't call this a cult, unless it is "Rabbit Rightious", "the Bunny Bunch". One thing for sure, ol' pop will never be a spokesperson for Trojans.
 

Carrie B. (278)
Friday September 7, 2012, 6:35 pm
I am sorry if I offend anyone, but I must say that I find the Duggars to be a very strange lot. I have watched the TVprogram about a half dozen times. The first time because I naively thought it was about foster families. After watching that first episode, I tuned in 5 or 6 times much later. What I discovered really repulsed me. Those poor children who are being raised by siblings because mom is so busy with yet another new baby. And good old mom who at he age of 42 (one of the episodes I watched), was so sad because her baby making days might possibly be over (this sad woman did get pregnant again and delivered #?) Who can keep track of this really weird family?

What bothers me most is that these 19 or 20 or however many children they end up with will continue in the same path. These children, who have been brain washed since birth will continue to procreate at an astronomical number! They will marry those who are approved by their parents and church and continue to breed like rabbits.

Again I ask you all to imagine this family's carbon footprint. Wow! And I ask you all to tune in to one or two episodes and watch the dysfunction this so called family offers to all. They are not only dangerous to us and the world, but to themselves as well.

Saying the Duggars are weird is putting it mildly. Their beliefs are not Christian, but self proclaimed as "The word of God". They are nothing more than self- serving egotists making money on their so called "belief in God and scripture".

If they truly believed in God, they would not need to be on a "reality TV show to spread the word.
 

Nadereh O. (5)
Friday September 7, 2012, 6:39 pm
As Americans we have the freedom to live the life we choose, however as stated in the article, these children have no choice. I also feel that at this point the age of the mother as well as so many pregnancies cannot be the safest choice. They have already had 1 miscarriage and the last baby had health issues. How many more will she have and will the health issues become progressively worse? Enough is enough. If they really want a bigger family why not consider adopting, there are so many children who need a family.
 

Russie C. (4)
Friday September 7, 2012, 6:44 pm
The fact they have so many children is creepy, they can't possibly give them the attention they need, the older kids take care of the younger kids, the parents had them they should take care of them all not make the older ones do it. They are going to have as many kids as God wants them to have, what a crock of crap, put a cork in it, birth control people. Glad I am not in that family, their poor kids, they will be having kids by the litter load too. They even got a TV show to broadcast all this crap.
 

Carrie B. (278)
Friday September 7, 2012, 7:35 pm
Tom Edgar, How many Catholics do you know or may have heard about who have this many children and are teaching them the crap these people are teaching all these children?
 

Milkah Savage (277)
Friday September 7, 2012, 7:57 pm
Carrie..No offense here..You have an opinion my dear friend. Im sorry, but here we go again using religion as a reason to do as one wills. Im sorry but it seems organized religion follows their own book of standards.. And to show this dysfunctional crap on tv is such a disgrace..so sad what this society is comming to
 

Carrie B. (278)
Friday September 7, 2012, 8:39 pm
Milkah, I really don't understand your comment here. Did you read what I and others have written? It appears that you have not.
 

Milkah Savage (277)
Friday September 7, 2012, 8:59 pm
Sorry Carrie.. I was helping my daughter make a dress and answering the post at the same time. Trying to multi-task and apparently not doing it too well at at.. I disagree with these kind of shows being on television.I don't believe they send a positive message and to be honest I feel it's just plain sad for the kds...
 

Milkah Savage (277)
Friday September 7, 2012, 9:05 pm
In others these parents need LOTS of mental help !!! I just spoke to my daughter and she said this show is WAY creepy and way scary (her words)..So why is this creepy family on TV?? (my daughter Sadona)
 

Marie W. (65)
Friday September 7, 2012, 9:24 pm
Insane people.
 

Carrie B. (278)
Friday September 7, 2012, 9:52 pm
Nadareh, The issue is not that they want a larger family, but that they want a larger family which consists of only their own children. It is not a love of all children that makes them who they are, but a love of themselves to procreate and raise children to be slaves of an antiquated belief. The Duggar parents are truly very disturbed and have no concept of what the real real world is and could give all of those children they have created. They would much rather hang on to a belief system that is not only without merit, but also very dangerous in this day and age.

The parents in this family are selfish and without conscience if they allow their children to be part of a belief system that will only hurt all of their many offspring. These children will either grow up being puppets of their parents' delusional beliefs or completely ill equipped to deal with the realities of life.
 

bob m. (32)
Friday September 7, 2012, 10:06 pm


aLL SUMMER EACH YEAR i WATCH THE MULTI AGED GROUPS OF CHILDREN IN THEIR (caps sorry)...
intheir clour coded group T shirts moving from play ground to play ground led by slightly older shepherds till the ed. machine sucks them in again.... 30 brothers and sisters to a pack.
Now I grew up a single, violently abused but rejected child (emotionally).. and knew the cold sting of perfectionism, and fear in times when mother(crazy drunk) beating was acceptable in Beaverland.. so although I see differently about many things than this famioly ; i RECOGNIZE THAT THEY WILL EACH WALK THEIR OWN PATH ;(MY fATHER HAD 9 BROTHERS...NO FATHER AFTER LAST BORN))in the depression.. but spay neutor politic aside .. and a hard personal life of my own ; I live in a very broken world that is rapidly coming to a very real revelatory and uncomfortable concllusion...
These little children at least(smiling) HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE KNOWDGE OF THE nAME OF gODS' SON TO CALL UPON AS THEY WALK ALONE DOWN THEIR OWN PATH.. I lived a hellish life as a single chil... I've seen worse than these kids lives in this world... believe me.
Happy teeter totter. to all you social engineers out there.
 

bob m. (32)
Friday September 7, 2012, 10:10 pm

Please excuse the messy typing tonight.. I'm tired, lousy glasses, I'm sweaty and maybe just a bit too careless.. Good night all.
 

jo M. (3)
Friday September 7, 2012, 10:24 pm
Patricia, apparently you read this "quick read" a little too quickly, as the Duggars are never quoted as praising the KKK. The KKK is mentioned rather too kindly in one of the textbooks that the family uses. Apparently you must actually watch this show to really begin to understand this family and it's values, as all you get is nonsense from this silly article. Having never seen this show, I can't say whether this family is dysfunctional or too strict, but it does look like these kids are way better off than a lot of other kids are. I'm very thankful, though, that most people don't have such large families.
 

Shan D. (46)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 2:41 am
"TLC is just too weird" - Brian M. -

Correction: THIS SHOW is weird. This particular family is INSANE.

You want a GOOD show on TLC? Try "Little People, Big World". It's about a family where the parents and one kid are Little People, and 3 other kids are not. The show has been on for years, and the latest one had them going on a quick holiday to Australia. These are very likeable people, and they strive to show how wonderful life can be when you INclude people instead of EXclude them.
 

Barbara Erdman (63)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 3:09 am
Noted and Thanx Carrie :-0
 

Dandelion G. (399)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 6:08 am
Katheryn Joyce wrote a book called Arrows For the War , an intimate look at the Quiverfull movement. Quiverfulls are a loosely organized Protestant subculture that rejects family planning in all its forms. Even the rhythm method is considered too interventionist.

Quiverfull wives are expected to welcome as many babies as God sends them.

"Our bodies are meant to be a living sacrifice." Or, as Mary Pride, in another of the movement's founding texts, The Way Home: Beyond Feminism, Back to Reality, puts it, "My body is not my own."

So in that light of what I just wrote Terrie, you are absolutely correct, according to Mr. Duggar or any of them that follow this way, her health is NOT a consideration, it is HER SACRIFICE. Her body is NOT her own. This is a BIG difference in how most women think, that their body is a Gift given to them to use in the best way.

The best way is not creating more and more people that are using more and more resources. Why as a family do they feel they have the right to consume so much in everything while our natural resources are being pulled at all angles?

Do the Duggars care when more trees are cut for palm oil so the indigeneous families are displaced and those people are made to suffer? Do the Duggars care when the trees are cut down leaving less land for the tigers to make more toilet tissue? Do the Duggars care that more oil is used for their household consumption at a time when we all really need to cut back, conserve, and find other renewable resources?

I think it is very SELFISH upon their part to have so many children when the world is being stretched and polluted by the human population that exists now. These TV channels that make Profits for the Corporations are showing the same lack of consideration to our Earth and all our existence when they put this on the TV for ratings only to sell products. It is irresponsible, and the people need to shut these programs off for their own survival and not be drawn in to the train wreck mentality. People better get real here real soon on what is happening to their Earth or it will be to all our peril.

My Irish Catholic great great Aunt had 22 children, and died at 46 from uterine cancer according to my great Aunt that told me about her life as a child. She said her poor Mother always had one in the stomach, one on the hip and another hanging on the apron strings. The older children becoming the care givers to the younger ones, so they did never have a chance to be children long themselves. Thankful, even the Irish Catholics don't have these extreme in size families anymore despite the Pope's stance on birth control. This be fruitful and multiply stuff was perhaps handy in the past but we have a whole different set of circumstances, a finite planet, and limited resources.

A final excerpt in the book is:

Christians should fight abortion by demonstrating that children are an "unqualified blessing" by having as many as God gives them. Only a determination among Christian women to take up their submissive, motherly roles with a "military air" and become "maternal missionaries" will lead the Christian army to victory.
 

Shan D. (46)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 6:53 am
It's time that somebody started preaching that "be fruitful and multiply" means "eat organic fruit and do your best in math class."
 

Sharon F. (0)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 7:24 am
Yikes. What yucky religion is fueling their ignorance. How selfish. When you see/hear anything about them on the media, please post so we can bombard that source with messages to knock it off. I'll bet a few of those kids will grow up with a brain and reject being part of such ignorance. The husband has a 'pecker problem.'
 

marie tc (164)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 8:19 am
it is very similar to Islam

Just because they follow are a form of Christianity and not Islam we should be grateful it is not all Christians
 

Lloyd H. (46)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 8:45 am
Where to begin. First the Duggar breeding colony is not a cult, they are part of a cult called "Quiverfull", look it up these people are zealot misogynist racist homophobe bat shit crazies. Then there is the fact that common sense and religion, true believer religion not the 'I identify myself as x, y, or z, have absolutely nothing to do with each other. No one with any common sense can get through the Book of Genesis with a thinking mind and believe, you can not populate the Earth with only two people, Adam and Eve, having an incestuous breeding orgy with all of their offspring and then do it all over again with Noah.
Bob M., sorry but other than the name of the religion, name of the prophet, name of the god there is no difference between the Quiverfulls et alia and any of the equally zealous/insane Islamic sects, intolerant xenophobia is intolerant xenophobia.
 

bob m. (32)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 2:50 pm


Haha Lloyd.. hilarious........Lloyd...Lloyd?....oh Lloyd!...You there?....in those bushes?...Lloyd?... why are you hiding Lloyd?..you can come out now lloyd...tell us what you really think Lloyd .
intolerant xenophobic ? lloyd?....you in those bushes lloyd?... Lloyd?
 

Beth S. (315)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 6:33 pm
Hell of a lot better than the Islamic baby factory, putting out a record 1.8 BILLION Muslims and growing and growing and growing and growing.......
 

marie tc (164)
Sunday September 9, 2012, 5:11 am
Well said Beth this is what I did not understand why the fuss about one little set of crazies or cult or whatever you want to call them when it is the belief of the Islamic world to throw out as many babies as possible to be respected as a good wife and enough of it is going on in USA so why all this fuss about an American Christian family.
 

marie tc (164)
Sunday September 9, 2012, 5:14 am
Should have said Muslims are also American Little girls some covered heads at the age of 6 now and indoctrinated
what is the difference.
 

Dandelion G. (399)
Sunday September 9, 2012, 6:46 am
Ok Marie, we got it, you don't like Muslims. This is about the Duggar family, who are NOT Muslims.
 

Lloyd H. (46)
Sunday September 9, 2012, 8:19 am
Bob M., first I have been out for more than 40 years, second it is a single rose bush, one of my favorites, that produces bright red 1/2" thorns, third I notice that aside from snide ad hominem you seem to have nothing to dispute what I said. Xenophobic no, but yes I am totally intolerant of the intentionally ignorant preaching their ignorance as fact.
Beth S., marie tc, sorry but just what the hell would you call having the Repug/Tea Bagged political arm of the Christian Taliban of America and all of their 1,000+ State and Federal Anti-Abortion with no exceptions, Anti-Contraceptive, Personhood, Redefinition of rape bills and laws other than a Theocratic Government forcing as many births as possible.
 

marie tc (164)
Sunday September 9, 2012, 4:28 pm
No Dandelion you are so wrong I do not like how many Muslims treat women also about how a good Muslim wife is expected to have many children Please stop being so quick to jump in the wrong direction,
 

marie tc (164)
Sunday September 9, 2012, 6:06 pm
Sorry Lloyd thought Duggers were a rare occurrence and a big fuss was being made even a TV programme
I did not take God crazy Government you mention into consideration. I felt very few American Christians had 10 or 20 children any more because OMG I dared to mention Muslims immediately I am accused of not liking any.
I was also against Roman Catholics having many many children so I suppose I will now be accused of not liking them.
The world is in such a state I am against anyone of any religion having numerous children for me I feel it is selfish and stupid. Whatever the name of the God you worship if he has any sense he will not want a woman to throw out a child every 10 months in his name.
Dandelion missed my point or perhaps I was not clear enough My point was not the religion of the Duggers but the similarity to Dare I mention Islam. without being jumped on
Its fine for others to remark but NOT for me
Lloyd this is not about being xenophobic as far as I am concerned you are all Americans regardless of religion or where you originate from I think the earth is suffering to such a degree having enormous families should be out of the question After all this I must try and tune in from UK (there is a link) to watch this Dugger show
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Dandelion G. (399)
Sunday September 9, 2012, 8:08 pm
Sorry Marie, you don't like the Islamic religion that Muslims practice. I only said it as you came on time and time again, bringing up the muslims and this is about the Duggars who are not muslim. If you made the referance once that would of been one thing, but you seem to find the need to bring it up over and over again.


 

Diane L. (104)
Monday September 10, 2012, 12:10 am
Well written article and I agree with it 100%. I saw the first thing I'd ever seen or "known" about the Duggars last year when surfing the TV and watched one episode where the Mom (Michelle?) was expecting #19. They were building a new house and claiming they received NO welfare money and no hand-outs. B.S. (I won't put in caps what that stands for), but then Billy Bob or whatever Dad's name is said they got FREE kitchen stoves, RESTAURANT stoves so now they can cook their meals all at once, and 24 new washers and 24 new dryers so Michelle could do laundry for 20 people at one time, not over a 24 hour period or two days like she'd been doing it..........tsk, tsk, ALL those diapers with 4 kids still wearing them! Their food was given to them by charities and what wasn't given was sold to them in BULK as wholesale. Building materials were given to them and the plumber, the electrician both donated their services.

Yeah, tell me Billy Bob or whatever his name is pays for everything!
 

Tommy S. (11)
Monday September 10, 2012, 2:00 am
Duggar House Guidelines

Always use soft words, even when you donít feel well.

Always display kind actions and joyful attitudes, even if you have been mistreated. Have the right response by quickly forgiving others in your heart even before they ask.

Always be enthusiastic and look for opportunities to praise others' character.

Always deflect praise and be grateful to God and others for the ways they have benefited your life.

Always use manners and be respectful of others and their belongings.

Always do what is right, even when others may not, or when no one is looking.

Thank God for how He made you, for what He has given you and everything He allows you to go through. (Romans 8:28)

Donít mock or put others down. Develop compassion and pray for others.

Never argue, complain, or blame. Quickly admit when you have done wrong and ask for forgiveness (even if you were only 10% at fault). Don't wait till youíre caught. Be sure your sins will find you out. He who covers his sin will not prosper, but he that confesses and forsakes it shall find mercy.

Have a tough accountability/prayer partner to daily share your heart with and to keep you in line (your parents, spouse). The power of sin is in secrecy.

Be attentive and look for ways to serve others with sincere motives and no thought of self-gain.

Think pure thoughts (Philippians 4:8, Romans 13:14).

Always give a good report of others. Don't gossip! Never tale-bear unless physical harm will come to someone. (Use Matthew 18.)

Never raise a hand to hit.

Never raise a foot to kick.

Never raise an object to throw.

Never raise a voice to yell.

Never raise an eye to scowl.

Use one toy/activity at a time. Share!

Do your best to keep your surroundings neat, clean and organized.

Never let the sun go down on your wrath.
(Donít go to bed angry or guilty)

Amendment J.O.Y. -
-Put Jesus first, Others second, Yourself last.


Well I guess America just isn't ready for this type of morality-- as many posters have shown
 

marie tc (164)
Monday September 10, 2012, 5:58 am
Dear Dandelion I do not like some of the aspects of the Islamic religion that only some Muslims practice and I think I have made it very clear making a woman into a baby machine for any religion is revolting.
Sorry if you disagree with me but your statement appeared very sweeping quoting all Muslims
This no way applies to all Muslims

After reading Dianes comment I now understand that the Duggers are the usual scroungers the same as in the UK and probably not even a religious issue
 

Rob and Jay B. (122)
Monday September 10, 2012, 6:41 am
Carrie, your hypocrisy is showing, dear. If someone had posted a similar article on a Muslim polygamous family with 4 wives all decked out in their burqas and kept locked up at home and used for sex and breeding, not to mention all the tiring domestic chores to take care of their sex obsessed man, and 45 kids running around, you'd be crying 'hate', 'islamophobia', bigotry and racism, wouldn't you?

You would never tolerate anyone saying the things you've said about this family against a Muslim family, would you?

You are like so many tired western leftists - you only care about women's, children's, gay's rights so long as they are white and western. You only care about freedom of religion, speech, conscience and press for non-westerners, non-Christians or non-Jews.

You're one of those feminists who would never condemn Islam's demeaning teachings about women, and the commands to kill rape victims (they're evil, don't you know - adulteresses, Allah says so), gays and those who criticize or leave Islam. Wouldn't want to 'offend' Muslims now would we.

You people who are so quick to condemn those who oppose Islamic cruelty, hate and bigotry are so quick to spew your own hate against anything non-Islamic you find offensive, don't you. What hypocrisy.

At least this irresponsible, overpopulating family isn't living off the taxpayers to fund their lifestyle. Their children look well fed and clothed, unlike so many other breeders. Too bad these people haven't discovered birthcontrol devices, then they could have sex all they wanted without adding to the far too many polluting/using people on this over used little planet.
 

Carola May (20)
Monday September 10, 2012, 6:56 am
Having just read this very bigoted article, I have to agree with Rob and Jay B. This list of 'cult' attributes apply equally well to Islam, yet if anyone said that and criticised the exact same practices that are expected of good Islamic wives and children, you would be screaming about 'hatemongers' et al. What's the difference? Don't you believe Muslims are capable of improving so they shouldn't be criticised?

Here's what a Muslim wife is supposed to do (Islamic scriptures are full of insulting teachings about women, and children have no rights at all, and Islam condones their use for sex for old paedophiles - is it being 'hateful' to oppose this?)

Revered Islamic scholar, al-Ghazali, who has been called 'the greatest Muslim after Muhammad,' writes that the role of a Muslim woman is to "stay at home and get on with her sewing. She should not go out often, she must not be well-informed...she should take care of her husband... and seek to satisfy him in everything... Her sole worry should be her virtue... She should be clean and ready to satisfy her husband's sexual needs at any moment." (note her husband's 'virtue' isn't considered since he can 'marry' 4 babes to slake his sexual lust with, the woman only gets one demanding man to serve and service - fortunately).

These people are offensive for many of their ideas, not least of which is that they are creating yet more people. There are too many people, we shouldn't be encouraging people to have any more. Having this many children just shows an incredible arrogance and disdain for the environment, and that is, for me, the most offensive thing about this bunch. They aren't controlling their children's minds any more than most parents, including left wing ones, who brainwash their kids with their own values too. Is that not the same thing?

These kids will one day leave the nest and they will have the chance, like all other kids, to change their beliefs and adopt new ones. Muslim kids, mainly girls, are just as controlled, if not moreso, than these kids, and they face the threat of being murdered by their parents if they 'shame' them. Get your values straight.
 

marie tc (164)
Monday September 10, 2012, 8:36 am
Sadly I am finding so many Americans are like a lot of the English British terrified of being called a racist so what they say and what they feel and think are two entirely different issues I find it rather hypocritical.
Personally I can not understand anyone agreeing with a lot of the beliefs of Islam and then making fun and tearing the Duggers apart On this thread and many others people are terrified of being called haters .
\I am very proud to be able to stand up for abused women whatever their color race or creed.
 

bob m. (32)
Monday September 10, 2012, 8:50 am

Someone once said :" If I can but touch the hem of His garment" (Jesus'garment)..At least these Kids are living in the possibilities of Faith in Christ... under the veil of islam they would be absolutely without the covering of The saving Blood of Christ.. ...These children are on the right path...
 

Carol Dreeszen (368)
Monday September 10, 2012, 12:48 pm
The Duggar's being a creepy cult!?!? If this wasn't so pathetic it would be laughable!!! But alas......there are so many liberals who have their terms and definitions screwed up that there is no hope! Good thing there are people who can actually decipher who and what a creepy cult is.....like Muslims who prefer to and expect their women to pop out kids like rabbits just so they can out populate any other race for the main purpose of taking over!! And yes it is to take over but some people are not quite on the ball enough to actually SEE this...they prefer to live in a bubble believing that everyone in the world should bow to the Muslims and their agenda and let them live in peace while they destroy the world and the rest of us....ah yes..like an ostrich with their head buried in the sand! And on top of it this is a good Christian family who shares nothing but love for their family and friends, takes care of themselves and don't expect the government to take care of them...and the guy has only one wife to boot!! How insane of a cult is that!? Heaven forbid! This article is so pathetic!!
 

Carrie B. (278)
Monday September 10, 2012, 1:40 pm
Carol, those of us here who disagree with the Duggar family's philosophy, don't hate or fear them, like you quite obviously hate and fear Muslims. I for one feel very sorry for them - especially the children who are so brainwashed they will never know what a normal life is.
 

Diane L. (104)
Monday September 10, 2012, 10:33 pm
"...These children are on the right path... and just WHAT path may that be, Bob M? The only path they're on is reproducing like maggots and living off what is given to them by others.

As for the religious stuff, please refrain from making some connection there. Many of us are not religious, nor do we care to read passages here, nor do we believe the Duggars are spitting out children like laboratory mice because of their "faith".







 

Diane L. (104)
Monday September 10, 2012, 10:38 pm
"\I am very proud to be able to stand up for abused women whatever their color race or creed".........so, Marie, what does abused women have to do with the Duggars? The topic is about spitting out children like laboratory rats under the "guise" of faith and what is being done bordering being LIKE a religious cult. I suppose Octomom had all 16 kids because of her religion? Nope, she did it because supposedly she loves kids. The real reason was to get free money and "stuff". If she just loved kids,she could have volunteered at a childrens' home or adopted. Of course, she couldn't have qualified for adoption because she had no job and was single.......ie., no way of supporting the child, but that never stopped her from just CREATING them, did it?
 

Diane L. (104)
Monday September 10, 2012, 10:43 pm
"These kids will one day leave the nest and they will have the chance, like all other kids, to change their beliefs and adopt new ones".......quite contrare! The oldest just got married and started spitting out his own football team. He is 21. They're all still living under the same roof. Think again.
 

Diane L. (104)
Monday September 10, 2012, 10:59 pm
Oh, and as for the "color coded" and other references made which refer to life in a group home or school, yes, that pretty much describes how the Duggars "do it", but the fact that the teenage children all take care of the little ones wasn't mentioned yet. Without the help of the other siblings, life couldn't move on for the parents. I don't have any problem with older kids helping with chores or taking care of their younger siblings, but this conveyor belt life is just ridiculous. Oh, wait, Michelle spends a few minutes a day with each and every offspring, right? So does Dad.........the older boys all had to help him with rounding up supplies and building their new house. Wonder if any of those boys would have wanted to be out playing baseball, instead of pounding that hammer or operating that jigsaw for the better part of a year?

Aren't they home schooled? If not, then their education is being paid for at everyone else in their state's expense, since nobody works or holds a paying job (never did). Yeah, I know.........Billy Bob was some elected politician once. His income was therefore from taxpayer money.
 

Carrie B. (278)
Monday September 10, 2012, 11:31 pm
Once again I will say that the younger children are being raise by siblings because these so called parents are concentrating on the birth of their newest, soon to be ignored baby. The new baby will be raised by older brothers and sisters. This family is more than dysfunctional - it is completely without merit as a real family.
 

marie tc (164)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 4:24 am
Diane in my opinion she is religiously indoctrinated and for me that is a form of abuse.
There are many varied opinions on the thread and I respect them all but for me there are easier ways to get money than have 19 children.
I believe it is religion based therefore if you read my comments I did not understand all the fuss. It is quite common in UK the enormous family syndrome dare I say with certain religions Carrie it is quite common also to see the older children in charge of little ones and sometimes they all look so young I am not even sure who the mother is that is why I still do not see why these Duggers are being made scapegoats
 

Vlasta M. (7)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 7:01 am
As long as people do not expect government or their neighbors to take care of their brood, they can have as many kids as they are able to love. 17 sounds excessive, since if they are Christians, they should remember that Genesis command to reproduce was given to humans where there were only 2 of them on Earth,m Adam and Eve, and not over 7 billions as we have NOW. I am sure that God would be appalled that this family thinks that their n"seed" is so special that they should overpopulate the Earth with THEIR kind, although I agree that they are not as vile as Islamiists who create lots of babies and teach them to destroy ALL of US, while wanting to enjoy benefits of the Western civilization in Europe, Australia and North America an.
 

Diane L. (104)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 11:16 pm
Marie, the Duggars aren't scapegoats by any sense of the word. They are capitalizing on every bit of publicity they get, which results most of the time with more "donations". They have their own "Reality" TV show, for crying out loud!

Dandelion, thank you for the "Green Star"! I tried to send you a PM to thank you, but you've blocked me for some reason that I don't have a clue about as to why. I don't remember ever saying anything to you to cause that, but just wanted you to know I appreciate the Greenie!
 

Carol Dreeszen (368)
Wednesday September 12, 2012, 1:09 pm
Carol, those of us here who disagree with the Duggar family's philosophy, don't hate or fear them, like you quite obviously hate and fear Muslims. I for one feel very sorry for them - especially the children who are so brainwashed they will never know what a normal life is.

Carrie..There you go again with your accusations of me hating Muslims when in fact it is the Muslims agenda and the hate that comes from Islam and the insane Muslim extremists and their hateful agenda that I hate...but alas..you will NEVER get that part but only continue to spew out lies!! And as far as feeling sorry for that family....something tells me they do not need nor do they want your pity! That is quite uppity of you and others to judge what that family should or should not do. If more people would take care of their own lives and business I think the problems in this country and the world may be a little different...just a guess of course...but how will we ever know that because people seem to stick their noses into other peoples lives when not asked about it. It's never a good idea to throw rocks from glass houses!
 

Diane L. (104)
Wednesday September 12, 2012, 9:02 pm
I really don't think one's feelings about Islam or Muslims has a thing to do with the Duggar family, and if one bases their feelings about one because of the other, that's sad. I don't like PNB, either, so if I posted here that I HATE PNB and the Duggars, would that "compute"? Yeah, yeah, PNB is not the same as a religion, but just saying that one can dislike extremist in any religion when their actions are based on extremism, and not hate everyone who is OF that faith.

As for feeling sorry for the Duggars, who said that? I must have missed that part. The children seem to be growing up believing exactly as their dysfunctional parents and can hardly wait to set out procreating, themselves. They don't want our pity, sympathy or anything else but for us to watch their stupid TV show and for the FREEBIES to keep rolling in.
 

marie tc (164)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 1:00 pm
A lot of comparisons made on the thread are about American people. so obviously Islam has something to do with the Duggers as surely you agree they are the same nationality only different religions with some things in common.
Why cant Americans be compared with Americans
The only real hate I see on the thread is against a Christian white family not even against their faith but because they are obviously getting every buck they can according to you Diane It appears to me most of the other comments seem to be about the many children and that is where the Islamic comparisons have been made At the end of the day it is about Americans and why make such an issue against them.
Sorry Diane we all have our opinions I agree with you on many other issues but not on this one
Just have to say I feel dreadfully sorry for any women who has so many children African Hispanic etc etc whether religious ignorance lack of education or just plain stupid
I dread to think the long term affects on her health also the affects on our planet
 

Diane L. (104)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 11:47 pm
Marie tc, I made NO reference to the Duggar's religion, their race or ethnicity. I don't give a rip if they're purple with green stripes. I don't believe for one minute that their religion dictates their character as far as spitting out children like lab rats. So, you disagree with me.........fine. I'm assuming then that you are all in favor of having as many children as one's body can spit out during one's lifetime, and who CARES who pays to support those kids? Just curious..........what did I say that could be construed as "Hate"? I don't hate the Duggars. I don't HATE anyone. I have no respect for the Duggars, I am annoyed and frustrated with what they represent and I RESENT very much the fact that they exploit others to get what they want and yes, because there are 21 of them and growing, NEED.
 

marie tc (164)
Friday September 14, 2012, 5:08 am
Diane I was not referring only to you. I picked up a lot of anger from you yes I still think there are so many Americans who actually live from the state having enormous families who have never worked a day in their lives which the Duggers do not. They will be paying plenty of taxes from their TV show my point is why make a big issue of it what about others who do not earn a penny at least they are trying with their show.
There are a lot worse takers in the states doing a lot more harm to their children.
Sorry but annoyed frustrated resentful lack of respect I think you are not far off hating
Do not understand why you are even showing emotion of any kind to this family Look around there are many much worse that deserve your anger
 

Diane L. (104)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 5:34 am
Marie, no anger from me at all. Anger is an emotion that involves far more work than I feel the Duggars deserve, that is, from me. What I feel towards them is disgust. Am I frustrated........YES, and annoyed.........YES, because taxpayers LIKE me are supporting their entire brood. I'm glad I do not live in their state, but I'm probably still paying to support them because I pay for my satellite TV service which runs the reality show they "star" in, so my rates include paying to carry that dumb show. If you think that annoyance and frustration equal hate, then maybe you are out of touch and maybe a dictionary could help clarify reality for you a bit. I am frustrated when I can't open a jar, but I don't HATE the jar. I am annoyed when I hear my neighbor's dog barking all night, but I don't hate the dog, nor my neighbor. I hate houseflies, mosquitoes and slugs. That's about the extent of MY "hate". I don't even HATE extremists or terrorists. Not sure what an appropriate term for what I feel about terrorists might be, but while I hate the act of terrorism, I don't HATE the people that get sucked into it.
 

marie tc (164)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 6:25 am
Please re read my comment your comparisons are most odd.
compared to jars and dogs mosquito slugs
"Not even sure what appropriate term for what I feel against extremists or terrorists .
I suggest you are the one who should look in the dictionary it should not be that hard to find an appropriate word to HONESTLY express your emotions and feelings.
Why the Duggers I am sure in your state there are plenty of hangers on
I think it would be better for you if you directed DISGUST FRUSTRATION ANNOYANCE to someone or sonething that is deserving of those dreadful words
Last of all perhaps you should use the dictionary to look up the true meaning of the words you have used
DISGUSTING loathsome nasty repulsive abominable revolting repel repugnant
Perhaps plain old hate is not so cruel
I do know that sometimes people are so angry they just type away without too much thought and too much emotion and I do not know why these people seem to have rattled you so much.
If it is not anger you have shown I would not like to be on the wrong side of you if you ever get angry.
Taxpayers like you are supporting a lot worse than the Duggers

 

Carrie B. (278)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 8:13 am
Marie, just exactly why are so angry with those of us who feel the Duggars are quite a pitiful bunch? I mean really, have I not said that I feel these poor unfortunate children deserve nothing but love and compassion. It isn't their fault they were born in to a family of over zealous, misguided fanatics who want nothing more than to over populate the world with their equally misguided offspring. The Duggar children will know what freedom of thought is because they have been taught from birth what to think and how to act. Unfortunately, those thoughts and actions have nothing to do with reality.
 

marie tc (164)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 8:57 am
I feel so much anger is being released on to this family and it is misplaced. Has anyone asked are they victims of their parents I only see anger and attack towards them
You appear to not find anger in other comments only mine because mine showed genuine comparisons
These people do not deserve to be pulled to pieces they are hurting themselves as well as their children but no compassion for them some even feel disgust.
\What a SAD world
 

Carrie B. (278)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 9:44 am
Since Papa Duggar has decided to exploit his family, they will all get what they deserve.
 

Diane L. (104)
Monday September 17, 2012, 2:07 am
Why should anyone feel compassion for this family? They're raking in millions in the way of donations and "goods" that they haven't worked a single minute to pay for, nor are they contributing to society in any way except to USE everything society has to offer THEM in the way of publicity and free stuff. Marie, I'm sorry you lack the ability to distinguish between anger and disgust and annoyance at having to put up with such stuff as turning on the TV and finding yet another "story" about the Duggars, or Octomom or somebody else abusing and USING the system to live from, while the majority of us work hard for what we have and many go without even while working hard. I bet half the people who are forced to use my local food bank and are barely getting by, some of whom are facing having no roof over their head soon have little compassion for these people. Maybe they should start reproducing more kids and getting themselves on TV?
 

Diane L. (104)
Monday September 17, 2012, 3:16 am
"Please re read my comment your comparisons are most odd.
compared to jars and dogs mosquito slugs"......Marie, I re-read your comments several times, and they make no more sense the 2nd or 3rd time than they did the 1st time. I don't "get it" why you think my comparisons are "odd" nor do I undersand your failure to comprehend them. I don't hate a jar because I can't open it, and barking dogs are equally annoying, so are train whistles and low flying aircraft. I don't HATE the jars, nor the dogs, nor anyone flying the aircraft. They are ANNOYING, or nuisances. I also don't HATE the Duggars. I find them annoying and as I said, disgusting, and yes, if one uses a thesaurus for acronyms, there are some such as "loathsome" that can be substituted for "disgusting", but HATE is a powerful emotion that simply doesn't "fit" in the same category. "Nasty", "repulsive" .......maybe. I find SUPER GLUE on my fingers "disgusty" and "nasty", but I don't HATE it, well....maybe I hate having my fingers stuck together so I peel the skin off trying to separate 'em!

As Carrie asked, WHY are you so defensive of the Duggars and WHY are you trying to twist what I've said arouund and put words in my mouth when I say I find what they have done to publically exploit themselves and their kids "disgusting"?
 

Diane L. (104)
Monday September 17, 2012, 3:43 am
"Sorry but annoyed frustrated resentful lack of respect I think you are not far off hating...........Do not understand why you are even showing emotion of any kind to this family Look around there are many much worse that deserve your anger"......for the umpteenth time, Marie, I am not "angry" and now you can add yourself to the list of what annoys and frustrates me. I do become annoyed and frustrated when people put "words in my mouth" when I have said over and over that I am NOT angry. This is a simple online "blog" and it's a discussion involving a situation, where we, as members have a right to comment about what we think. You're doing the same thing, so why are you any different than I am, or anyone else because you've stated YOUR opinion on the topic?

Yes, of course there are other situations worthy of my lack of respect, my disgust and my frustration, and yes, I do what I can to address such situatins if I can do anything at all. If I could, I'd have the TV reality show about The Duggars taken off TV, but all I can do is not watch it, which is exactly the case, AND send a comment to the channel/network that aires it, which I've also done (Discovery Channel).
 

marie tc (164)
Monday September 17, 2012, 5:06 am
Before attacking them did anyone look into their backgrounds
 

Diane L. (104)
Monday September 17, 2012, 5:17 am
We, who find the family's behavior as exploitation and taking advantage of what "the system" can provide for them, pretty much have done just that, Marie. The background is pretty common knowledge. May I ask if you have done the same? "Google" them. It's all there.
 
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