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Video: Israeli Forces Fire Shots to Disperse Palestinians


World  (tags: violence, middle-east, Israel, Palestine, politics, freedoms, humanrights, Refugees&Relief )

CarrieSIC
- 732 days ago - washingtonpost.com
A video posted online Friday by Russia Today shows a few dozen Palestinians who are gathered at the border fence while the Israeli forces warn them to move away from the fence.



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Teresa W. (696)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 9:38 am
noted
 

Pat A. (116)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 10:19 am
Thanks - very like the BBC footage on the same subject. Why is it that they are shooting OVER A BORDER ?? Anywhere in the world this would cause trouble.
 

CarrieSICK B. (315)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 10:50 am
Gee Pat, do you think maybe the Israelis are trying to start something anew? Nothing like trying to provoke an incident and then blame the other side.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 12:23 pm
A mircava( tank) ,2 fully equipped military vehicles and IDF soldiers fully armed against around 20-25 unarmed Palestinians who are on the Palestine's soil. Earlier BBC reported that Israeli soldiers shot a Palestinian : 2 shots at the chest one of which penetrated his heart an other 2 shots one in his face and one in his knee. The IDF officials said that soldiers fired warning shots when they saw a group of Palestinians were walking on Gaza soil unarmed towards the border fence. Since when do soldiers shoot warning shots in the chest,face or knees ? They surely intended to kill the Palestinians. An other crime against the real owners Palestine
 

Allan Yorkowitz (447)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 1:29 pm
Carrie- make sense . Did the Israeli's kill anyone? Warning shoots were given to Palestinian fools who had no reason to be at the border. Why were these fools at the border to begin with? Is this to show macho pride?
Who provoked the incident Carrie? The Palestinians, or the Israelis? Talk to Pat A over this.
 

CarrieSICK B. (315)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 1:48 pm
Yes Allan, the Israelis did kill someone!

"Israeli troops fatally shot a Palestinian man and wounded at least 13 others Friday morning on the Gaza Strip’s border with Israel, and each side accused the other of violating a cease-fire that took effect Wednesday night.
Palestinian witnesses and human rights officials said the episode illustrated the ambiguities of the deal, which called for an examination of the safeguards along a fenced 300-meter-wide buffer zone that Israel enforces on the Gaza side of the border, as well as negotiations on ending Israel’s blockade of the territory.

Anwar Abdel Hadi Qdeih, 20, was killed on the Gaza side when Israeli forces opened fire across the border on a few dozen mostly young men as they approached the first of two fences Friday morning, according to hospital officials and witnesses in the southern Gaza town of Khan Younis.

Hamas, the Islamist group that governs Gaza, denounced the shooting. But it then took the unusual step of escorting residents out of the buffer zone, after consulting with the cease-fire’s Egyptian mediators, Reuters news agency reported."
 

Suzanne L. (153)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 1:50 pm
Is it smart to rabble-rouse against armed personnel? Is it caring to include your children and encourage them to throw stuff at the soldiers. What purpose did this serve except to bait the IDF? It's just passive-aggression.
 

CarrieSICK B. (315)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 2:29 pm
Sorry Suzanne, but I saw no Palestinians with anything in their hands, much less throwing anything. This is just another attempt by the Israelis to justify their aggressive behavior.
 

Lois Jordan (56)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 3:32 pm
Thanks, Carrie. Easy to see what bullies the Israelis are.
 

Alexa R. (330)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 4:18 pm
You're twisting the facts Carrie, to try and demonize IDFs. Here is what happened:

A video posted online Friday by Russia Today shows a few dozen Palestinians who are gathered at the border fence while the Israeli forces warn them to move away from the fence. Warning shots are fired, multiple times, while the crowd disperses a few meters away and chants, “Allah-u-Akbar.”

In a SEPARATE incident on Friday morning, Anwar Abdel Hadi Qdeih, a Palestinian man, was killed and 13 others were wounded after Israeli forces opened fire across the Gaza border. The Israeli military defended the shooting by saying that hundreds of Palestinians had attempted to breach the border fence, prompting the soldiers to shoot at them.

emphasis mine ..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/11/23/video-shows-israeli-forces-fire-shots-to-disperse-palestinians-AFTER-a-man-was-killed-at-the-border/?wprss=rss_world

 

Lynn D. (0)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 4:30 pm
Thanks!
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 5:25 pm
Carrie, what type of Islamist PR work you started to publish?

Palestinian mobs tries to break a border with Israel, and you expect border guards to watch it with a smile? Just after a recent war started by Hamas?What if these guys decide to shoot at Israelis from within a crowd?


 

CarrieSICK B. (315)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 6:46 pm
Break a border with no arms and several feet away? Bob, get a grip and face reality! The Israeli government and army are nothing more than war mongering thugs!
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 1:41 am
@Carrie----"The Israeli government and army are nothing more than war mongering thugs!" Well, you are revealing yourself more and more Carrie. From posting several articles from 'Stop The War Coalition' website which is clearly simply an anti-Israel website, plain and simple, not balanced, not unbiased, not unprejudiced----to now using any and every possible motivation you can find to support your personal opinion and generality of "The Israeli government and army are nothing more than war mongering thugs! "

It's amazing how 'the truth' always ends up being full of one's opinions. Opinions end up being put forward as 'the truth' as much as anything else.. Same old, same old, human crapola.

 

Past Member (0)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 3:44 am
They have been attacked like this before so what did they expect to happen.
 

natalie n. (164)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 5:29 am
Whether or not you would like to admit it, the Israelis have increasingly encroached on Palestinian territory over the years and if you actually took a look at the map, you will see how the Palestinians have been evicted from their land to what little space they occupy now. With the US backing Israel in this cause, its no wonder the middle east has been waging on the states and its allies.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 8:43 am
Carrie, how do you know if Arabs trying to break the border with Israel were unarmed, or did not have a bomb? Did you forget that they blew up Israeli bus a few days ago?

To continue your point and assuming that Arabs were indeed unarmed, what business did they have to break a border with a country their rulers are at war with, except to create a provocation by having someone killed? Do you again take for granted that Palestinian Arabs have no mental capacity? That must be very insulting to them, you know.

 

Alexander Werner (53)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 8:46 am
Natalie, Arabs living in Palestine have no more rights to that land than Jews living in Palestine. Arabs never had a state of their own, and never owned much land over there.

In fact, Arabs are much more skilled squatters than Jews, because every time they steal Israeli land and are evicted from it, they claim "ethnic cleasing" and other nasty things, while Jewish land thieves can claim nothing. In comparison, when Hamas was evicting Arab land thieves, things went much faster and more quiet.

 

Alexa R. (330)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 9:10 am
natalie n. (154)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 5:29 am
the Israelis have increasingly encroached on Palestinian territory over the years and if you actually took a look at the map,

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Yes, actually look at a map Natalie and you might be surprised to find that you've been led to believe brazen lies.

The British Mandate stretched from the Mediterranean Sea past the Jordan River, with double the width of land past the Jordan River (called Trans-Jordan Palestine). Trans-Jordon Palestine (now simply known as Jordan). The first two state solution the British established was for East Palestine for the Arabs (independence from Britain in 1946) and West Palestine for a Jewish homeland.

West Mandate of Palestine included Israel, West Bank, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights and Sinai Peninsula. Israel exchanged Sinai Peninsula and parts of Golan Heights in the hope of peace with its neighbours Egpts, Lebanon, Syria. (Israel’s subsequent Camp David Peace Accords with Egypt in 1978, and its total withdrawal from the Sinai peninsula in 1982, marked a partial fulfilment of UN Resolution 242.)

Jewish leaders accepted the partition plan of the Western Palestine Mandate proposed by the UN in 1947 (one year after the British had alread split the Mandate into two (West Mandate of Palestine and Trans-Jordan Palestine for the Jewish homeland and Arabs of the area respectively), which further divided Western Mandate of Palestine into West Bank, Gaza and Israel, but the Arabs did not accept this partitioning by the UN and declared war on Israel. The Arabs rejected the partition plan approved by the UN which would have assured the permanent status of the West Bank as Palestinian sovereign territory.

The land of Israel has had Jewish families living there uninterruptedly for over 3500 years. As none of the ruling occupiers of the land of Israel, the British, before them the Ottoman Empire, before them, Crusaders, before them Romans evacuated all Jewish people living in the land of Israel. Before the Romans, Israel was under Israeli kings. Yet, in 2005 Israel was expected to evacuate and make Judenfrei Samaria and Judea (now called by some the West Bank Part A and Gaza) even Jewish families who have lived in these areas for over 3500 years! West Bank Part B is not under PA rule/government nor Israeli rule/government, it is currently still disputed land under negotiations and with Jewish and Arab settlers, both of which have lived in these areas before 1948.

One of the stipulations of the “The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in cooperation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including state lands not required for public use….”

The territory to which this refers includes the area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea ie including the modern ‘West Bank’.

During the period 1920-1948 (ie before Israel was re-established), Jews settled in locations like Neve Ya’acov, the Etzion Bloc and other areas in the West Bank. Meanwhile, Jews had had a virtually uninterrupted presence in the West Bank town of Hebron for well nearly 2000 years. Hebron and other West Bank towns play a significant role in the Jewish national heritage. Jews moving to live in these places were not carrying out “illegal settlement”. They returned there lawfully, and their presence was considered legitimate by the Mandatory powers and the international community.

The presence of Jews in these locations was often ended by massacres carried out by Arabs (for example the Hebron massacre of 1929, and the Etzion Bloc massacre of 1948).

But neither massacre, nor the Jordanian policy of refusing all Jews entry between 1950 and 1967, can extinguish the right of Jews to settle there, and their connection.

Furthermore, just like Israel evacuated EVER single Jewish family from Gaza and West Bank Block A in the hope for peace in return, making West Bank Bloack A and Gaza 100% Judenfrei today, so will Israel evacuate as requested any settlers from the disputed areas of West Bank Block B once peace negotiations had been agreed and according to the agreed borders.

Israel has no desire to 'rule the world', take over many countries and subdue ever single person to convert to Judaism or else ...
 

Elizabeth M. (67)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 10:10 am
Noted. Thanks Carrie.
In the video I saw a lot of very young men (teenagers even). They were warned and the crowd should have dispersed, but there are always fired up rebels in these crowds to keep the crowds riled up.
I feel that the problems between the Palestine and Israel will keep happening for many years to come.
Count the years this has been happening ...seems forever.
 

Allan Yorkowitz (447)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 10:30 am
Sorry Carrie, I meant to write did anyone get shot that wasn't warned...sometimes I type too quickly without proof reading.
 

Jeannette A. (146)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 2:47 pm
This makes me wonder if there is anyway there will ever be peace.... and to shed tears over all the future generations on both sides that will never see each other as anything but the "enemy".
 

CarrieSICK B. (315)
Sunday November 25, 2012, 3:02 pm
Jeannette, you are so right. Innocent Israelis and innocent Palestinians are being caught up in and even killed over the actions of their leaders. The innocent will continue to die and never learn the humanity of their neighbors.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday November 26, 2012, 8:28 am
Jeannette, you are so right. Unfortunately, Islamist doctrine precludes peace, because it demands all lands which once happen to be under control of Muslims must be returned to the rule by Muslims. Unfortunately, Turks ruled Palestine, and now all followers of the radical Islam, like Hamas, Egypt, and pretty much all other Arab countries have destruction of Israel on their agenda.

It is impossible to make peace with people devoted to their religion which demands your destruction. Peace will come when the Muslim world becomes moderate in its majority.
 

CarrieSICK B. (315)
Monday November 26, 2012, 5:11 pm
Kenneth L. and so many others have missed the point! The innocent are suffering because of Netanyahu and Hamas! What idiots!
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Wednesday November 28, 2012, 6:21 pm
Carrie, are you playing a little trick here, equating Netanyahu and Hamas? Equating a victim and a murderer, because the victim picked up a fight?

No, Carrie, innocent are suffering because of Hamas and those who feed them: Iran-Ahmadinejad, Saudis, now Qatar.Islamic extremists are to blame for death on both ends.

 
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