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This Is a .223-Caliber Rifle


Society & Culture  (tags: violence, society, ethics, children, abuse, americans, safety, sadness )

Carrie
- 586 days ago - theatlantic.com
Today a gunman at Sandy Hook Elementary School allegedly used a .223 caliber rifle to kill at least 27 people, including many children.



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BarbKnight SunshineLady (1634)
Friday December 14, 2012, 4:46 pm
Why didn't the gunman kill himself in the privacy of his own home? He did not have to take sweet, innocent, babies with him!! Those poor babies' lives had 'Only Just Begun.'
 

iveta cer (71)
Friday December 14, 2012, 6:09 pm
Horrible !!! I am agree Barb with you if he had problem he should kill himself and not poor innocent children and other adults . I feel very sorry for families who lost their kids in this shooting :(:( . This is very sad news !
 

Ann B. (140)
Friday December 14, 2012, 7:52 pm
:( I have shed many tears today for these babies and have prayed for their families. I agree with both of you, Barbcat and iveta. I believe everything happens for a reason but this..... doesn't make any sense. Very sad day indeed. May the Lord be with those in mourning and show his love for the families who suffered a horrific tragedy.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday December 14, 2012, 9:58 pm
Gun Control should be the USA's priority: stricter licensing laws, the prohibition on selling RPGs and mandatory practice hours yearly in a reputable club for those who do have a license.

God bless the little ones whose lives have been lost.
 

Kevin A. (68)
Friday December 14, 2012, 10:28 pm
The weapon pictured with your post is a shotgun. Not interchangeable with the .223 cal rifles. Both are issued to law enforcement along with a sidearm (handgun).

Firearm control is a topic that I disagree with many Care2 members on. The reason not to address "Gun Control" during times like this is the human tendency to knee-jerk reactions that get the populace behind bad ideas for entirely emotional reasons. Note the current US involved wars in the middle east and our voluntary surrender of some of our rights.

I would not put it past some zealot group to plot an incident like this, or worse, just to get all of our firearms rights repealed. I don't suggest that this is such an incident but some of those zealots that would strip you of all of your constitutional rights will certainly jump on this for their benefit and to pass oppressive laws. Should this incident not have that effect, expect that one day, a zealot group will stage a similar event of horrific proportions to accomplish just such a repeal of the 2nd amendment, soon to be followed by the rest of the bill of rights.

The only "gun control" that could possibly keep firearms out of the hands of criminals is for no firearms to exist, anywhere on earth. Criminals do not follow laws. They will steal the guns they want. They will trade with black-marketers if needed.

The existing laws work for law abiding people. If the only guns out there were military and law enforcement, the criminals would steal them from the police and the military and they would still have them. You as a law abiding citizen would not.
 

Carrie B. (303)
Friday December 14, 2012, 10:54 pm
Thanks Kevin. Your law enforcement expertise pointed out an internet flaw in the photo on this post, I guess.

No one one is suggesting that all weapons should be taken away from all citizens in this country, but there certainly is no need for assault rifles, automatic weapons of any kind, or even hand guns. Hunting rifles for those who are legitimate hunters is quite sufficient. Those who advocate more are only asking for this unnecessary violence to continue.
 

AniMae Chi (392)
Friday December 14, 2012, 11:36 pm
OMG!
Sending prayers!
 

Jennifer C. (172)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 4:49 am
Thanks.
 

Bill C. (354)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 9:03 am
I hate stoies that are ignorant of fact. The 223 was not used at the school, it was locked in the trunk of the car.

All were killed with 2 handguns. All guns were legal and owned by the shooters Mom who he killed with them

Fact is Conn is considered one of the 5 harshest when it comes to gun laws and was called a "safe" state.

It appears the shooter may be mentally ill and our laws are bad in the area as patient rights to privacy superceed a gun permit in many states. Where I live we require a psychiatic professional to do an evaluation but in many places a simple lie will get you a gun.

Please do not embellish a tragic event that has its own real issues r/t gun control and who has what right
 

Ioannes J. (1)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 9:09 am
American founding father wrote constitution " bear to arms", were meant to protect owner property. Back in 1700, there were no suburban or metropolitans. (country folks) People live 500 mile or more from each other. Country folks used gun to protect from predictor (Bears, Wolfe, etc) on their livestocks. But founder did not consider about changes in guns technology as well as lifestyle (Mentally and physically) changes. Back in 1700, less violence than today because wealth (rich) and manners. Today, American is a different story.
 

Jan H. (17)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 10:02 am
Why? For God's sake... why?
 

Robert O. (12)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 10:35 am
If he wanted to take his life that's his business but he shouldn't have taken innocent people with him. That's the coward's way out and I hate people that end up sucking people into their problems. As far as a the firearms issue goes, I agree with you Carrie that no one is suggesting that all weapons should be taken away from all citizens in this country. The trouble is that when the topic of gun control is brought up, the overzealous gun-toters and the conservative politicians start screaming about their rights being infringed on or revoked by liberal extremists which we know is a load of bull and amounts to silly alarmist rhetoric. People can have the right to firearms but need to use it responsibly as with any other right and realize that nobody needs to have access to high powered, military style rifles, that's just insane! The only people that "need" to are most likely the ones that are insecure and correlate firepower with control, strength, self-worth and validation as a human being in which case they need to deal with their issues without needing a dangerous crutch like a high powered rifle. Thanks Carrie.
 

Carrie B. (303)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 1:10 pm
Bill C, the medical examiner has stated that all of the victims died as a result of multiple rifle shots.
 

Kevin A. (68)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 6:55 pm
There are strict gun controls laws throughout the country, none of which affect the ability of persons set on committing a crime with a gun from obtaining one. The only way you are going to affect the ability of criminals to obtain guns is to eliminate the existence of all guns. Changing the existing laws will only make life more difficult for those that follow the laws. They have NO EFFECT on CRIMINALS who will steal the guns they use or buy them from black market sources who also ignore the laws.

Centuries ago, the Ruling class disarmed the citizenry so all of their swords were taken. Only the Samurai, in service of warlords had weapons. The point was control of the masses. In response a host of farm implements were re-purposed by the peasant class for use in defense against the Samurai and their swords. Again, the point is that the criminals will get the weapons they want or they will make use of a more primitive weapons regardless of what is done to the laws. .

Victims are dead because a person made a decision to kill them. He could have killed these helpless children with a baseball bat if they could not escape. Blame the people for their crimes, not the tools they use.
 

Carrie B. (303)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 8:14 pm
Stricter gun control laws would save many lives! A baseball bat would not have done the damage we saw yesterday. Denying that is being unrealistic and promoting more gun violence. The firearm (s) used in this case were obtained legally. That says something about what is made legal to our very violent society. Time to make some changes.

This is not about criminals, but about a very disturbed and violent society, who call themselves "collectors". Collectors are more interested in firearms of the past.
 

Matloob ul Hasan (81)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 8:28 pm
Violence anywhere makes me sad! Kind of disillusions about our humanity.
 

jo M. (3)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 10:28 pm
This particular case is not about criminals, but about one very disturbed individual. It also has nothing to do with collectors, who are not by definition either disturbed or violent. I don't personally believe stricter gun controls would have stopped this boy from committing this horror. Anyone can steal a gun and there is only so much a gun owner can do to prevent it.
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 1:51 am
Kevin, then explain why countries that have far fewer guns, such as Canada, where essentially the only people who have them are cops, the military, hunters with long guns, and oh yes, some criminals, has less crime than the U.S. (notwithstanding population size)? Which would tend to blow to bits the sale of goods that if you don't have tons of guns there will be a ton of crime. We have crime, but it's a lot more peaceful in general here than the U.S.
 

Madeline L. (1)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 7:26 am
When the collective consciousness is raised, our gun control problem is solved. Wake up world!
 

Lois Jordan (55)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 1:56 pm
As I scrolled through some of the comments below the article, I could see the problem. I can't tell a .223 caliber from anything else, but those knowledgeable about the subject seem to love expressing that. The feed into and off each other to endlessly promote this weapon. My deceased dad was a WWII vet, a hunter and a trapshooter. His first rule was, "NEVER point a gun unless you're going to shoot." As children, my boys loved Nerf guns, and that rule included Nerf weapons, waterguns....as well---in my home. ( I guess I did my job, since as adults they have no interest in any weapons). But, since the media has decided "now is NEVER the time to discuss the subject," we must take it upon ourselves to contact our Congress critters and demand a reinstatement of the Assault Weapons Ban, outlawing gun shows, and stopping production of those multiple clips.
 

Kevin A. (68)
Monday December 17, 2012, 11:45 pm
Kenneth, I do not have the statistics that support your position. I did just recently post a video from Australia that directly contradicts your statements.

Carrie, a man with a baseball bat could easily wade into a group of terrified children all huddled together and could make just such a mess. I have dealt with bludgeoning deaths and they are every bit as gruesome as those that were shot. The majority of the gunshot cases, fatal and otherwise, that I dealt with were self inflicted.

Right now one sector of the media is bleeding the recent tragedy for all that it is worth. They are pushing for further controls on the legal guns and law abiding owners. Nothing done to increase controls on legal firearms will have any effect on criminals and their ILLEGAL possession and use of firearms.

If you want to deal with the violence in our society put an end to the video games and violence worshiping movies that are raining down upon our youth. Our children, with access to these violent games are being taught that life has no value. They practice killing people again and again. What do you expect them to do when they get access to real weapon? Their victims in those video games will be back to be killed again the next time they play. Iíll leave it to the shrinks to follow up on that.

Get behind laws that will enable law enforcement to rid our lands of street gangs and put an end to letting convicted felons be idolized as pseudo musicians or actors. When I was a child these people were the bottom of society rather than a part of the mainstream.

There are clear and obvious reasons for the violence out there. A criminal idolizing generation that we allowed to start, grow, and fester among us that has convinced honest law abiding people that it is wrong to report crimes; that it is okay to get away with crimes if you donít get caught; that the police are the bad guys. Focus your anger on these ills and fix the society.

Disarming your neighbors who might otherwise have come to your defense will simply leave you at the mercy of societyís worst.
 

Kevin A. (68)
Tuesday December 18, 2012, 12:06 am
Loannes, the second amendment was meant to keep our government honest by ensuring that its citizens would always be able to defend against any would be dictator. One Japanese general in WWII is said to have told his peers that it would be folly to attack the US mainland because there were (he believed) guns in every home that would be used against them.
 
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