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White House Weighs Broad Gun-Control Agenda in Wake of Newtown Shootings


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: White House, gun control, good news, VP Biden, government, crime, politics, americans )

Carrie
- 562 days ago - washingtonpost.com
A working group led by Vice President Biden is seriously considering measures backed by key law enforcement leaders that would require universal background checks for firearm buyers, track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database, ...



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Elizabeth M. (66)
Saturday January 5, 2013, 3:24 pm
Thanks Carrie for posting. This is such an important issue!!
 

Pamylle G. (461)
Saturday January 5, 2013, 4:47 pm
It's about time !
 

Lois Jordan (55)
Saturday January 5, 2013, 4:59 pm
Noted. Good for Joe Biden. With him in charge, I'm sure this will be handled properly and in a timely manner. I'll be keeping track, though, and pressing my Congress critters to pass the bill or bills. Thanks, Carrie.
 

Carol H. (229)
Saturday January 5, 2013, 6:14 pm
noted, thanks Carrie
 

John B. (215)
Saturday January 5, 2013, 7:37 pm
Thanks Carrie for the link to the article by Philip Rucker. A very excellent article and I'm glad to see the working group is considering a wide range of fixes beside get stricter gun laws through Congress. Read and hopefully noted.
 

Jason S. (57)
Saturday January 5, 2013, 9:15 pm
Good posting, thanks
 

Susanne R. (249)
Saturday January 5, 2013, 11:59 pm
From today's news: "A man shot and killed three people in a home in Colorado on Tuesday before turning the handgun on himself and committing suicide, authorities said."

Gun-related deaths are occurring every day. And, despite what the NRA lobbyists are trying to convince the public, guns DO kill people. People with guns kill innocent people every day. I hope the measures outlined in the article are enacted. How many victims will it take before Americans have had enough?
 

Giana Peranio-Paz (378)
Sunday January 6, 2013, 12:36 am
Noted and happy about this.
 

Nimue P. (220)
Sunday January 6, 2013, 1:19 am
Noted.
 

Diane O. (149)
Sunday January 6, 2013, 5:12 am
The FBI recently reported that more murders are achieved using hammers and knives than handguns. People with guns who have a mental disability is a bad combination but these same people without access to a gun will use any method available to them to kill.

I believe every competent American has a right to own a gun to defend themselves from crazy people who threaten their lives.

The majority of Americans polled have stated that they believe they should be able to own a gun. That said, we do need to get serious about doing thorough background checks on those applying for a handgun. That makes good sense.

 

John Gregoire (257)
Sunday January 6, 2013, 5:58 am
If something is not done concomitantly to ban biolent video games, movies and TV, then we will never turn around a young society that is self centered and thinks violence is the norm. No long gun user needs more than one shot be it hunting or target shooting and handguns are not at all needed by anyone. Selling real and toy weapons that look like assault rifles is sick but very much in demand. Check your Toys and gun shop ads. The real ones are semi-auto and not auto but they fire as fast as the shooter can pull the trigger. Thus the need to also ban multi-round clips. I was thought that if one could not do it with one shot then one should go home-target or hunting.
 

Janine H. (105)
Sunday January 6, 2013, 6:22 am
maybe or maybe not... thinking about the news, that more weapons have been sold since these terrible killings... somehow it seems, as if everything to make the rights about weapons seems useless...

somehow wild west (or middle ages?) mentality?

Why not making these rights more strict: someone who wants a weapon has to have a minimum age (with 16 allowed to drive a car, with 21 adult and allowed to consume alcohol, and with which age allowed to use a weapon, isn't it weird?) and why not asking for a test about mental/psychic health? Someone who wants a weapon and who wants to use it should have a GOOD MENTAL/PSYCHIC HEALTH and he/she should be completely sure about this RESPONSIBILITY, that a WEAPON IS made FOR KILLING and that he/she does not use it for killing, running amok, etc. only as protection...

as child i went through hell (sexual abuse, caused by others in school and by confirmands - the priest left me alone, and so he killed religion for me, the others killed my childhood, and me, too) and too often i wished, i would have a weapon and hold it directly at the head of each of these tormentors, NOT to shoot, NOT to kill, but to let them feel, how it is to have fear...

i was thrown in hell, and still in it, without hope... i can imagine how the girl in India must have felt...
about the families i understand that they wish their children would survive, but what a life is this when it is only the body which is still alive, when the "soul" (or whatever)is
 

Alexandra Rodda (176)
Sunday January 6, 2013, 7:01 am
Looks like America might get inline with civilized countries with regard to guns.
 

Arielle S. (316)
Sunday January 6, 2013, 7:21 am
This is a good start ~ while there will always be murders, murders by knives and hammers are hardly in the same category. You can't kill 26 people in 15 minutes with a knife or a hammer. The tired argument is that guns don't kill, people do. Well, nuclear weapons don't kill unless people make them do so - does that mean everyone should have a nuclear weapon? We so need to get past that "it's my right" mentality....other people have the right to live without fear of being gunned down by an assault weapon, too.
 

Diane O. (149)
Sunday January 6, 2013, 8:50 am
Arielle, get a clue....a weapon is a weapon....and weapons in the hands of the wrong people kill. If I'm faced with someone threatening me in my home with a gun, I will have one to use to protect myself.


Obama will NEVER be able to take away the Second Amendment. Even Obama can't get that done. The majority of Americans polled want their hand guns to protect themselves from the loons.
 

Carrie B. (300)
Sunday January 6, 2013, 10:00 am
No one is trying to take away the second amendment, but it is past time to get serious about who owns guns and what guns type of guns are legal.
 

Chris C. (144)
Sunday January 6, 2013, 12:43 pm
Carrie - you are SO right!
Diane O - relax - nobody is trying to take away your precious 2nd Amendment! Geez - give us all a break!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday January 6, 2013, 1:17 pm
Good point, Arielle! Common sense and reason are so important.
 

Deborah W. (6)
Sunday January 6, 2013, 3:05 pm
Are you really lame enough to think that guns are THE problem and not the underlying root causes of overlooked, often hidden mental instability, illegal gang activity, covert action, pure unpredictable unleashed hatred and all the other obvious flags and lack of enforcement? (i.e. Chicago gangs can tell you they don't register and continue to flourish.)

By the way, I have a bridge for sale if you're interested.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday January 6, 2013, 3:20 pm
Also true, Deborah. Reagan decimated our mental health program. It hasn't been the same since. Everything smart people built and invested in, in our country, left and right, Has or is being decimated by the Karl Rove, fascist right. Hitler would be proud to see his legacy reintroduced in a super power country. I think Eva Braun has been seen around here.
 

Paul Wellman (1)
Sunday January 6, 2013, 4:55 pm
The only people here that make sense to me are:
Diane O. - Thank you.
Deborah W. - Thank you.
Jason R. - Thanks but I would simmer down on the “fascist” thing.

Chris O. - Not so good. They are trying to take the 2nd amendment.

Everyone else gets – my Left Wing Nut Sheeple award for Bleating platitudes.

It is a fairly accepted fact that our government is totally dysfunctional.
Who then is going to pass intelligent laws that will cure the bogus, non-issue of guns ruining the nation?
It is all about our Culture of Violence.
Violence is a disease. Until we as a people realize this and demand funding to treat this epidemic we are bound to continue down this path.

If you look at the histories of all the people who are committing these crimes you will for the most part see bright men that break and (as they used to say) fly off the handle.
I urge you to read The New York Times article about Adam Lanza:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/nyregion/adam-lanza-an-enigma-who-is-now-identified-as-a-mass-killer.html?_r=2&
Hear the facts about Adams obviously terribly painful life experience and the total lack of intervention by ANYONE even though there is much talk here of the recognition of many such problems, manifested by Adam, by everyone (it seems) that knew him.
How can that be???

It is a given that Timothy McVeigh was insane when he detonated a truck bomb at the Murrah Federal Building. But.... What is the back story here?
Timothy was a brilliant (if shy) fellow who was awarded “most promising computer programmer” when he graduated from high school and went on in special forces to win a Bronze Star in the first Gulf War. Somewhere in there the wheels definitely came off of poor Timothy's wagon. What happened?
Could there be any similarity with the most recent shooter in Wisconsin?
What about the active Army psychiatrist shooter in Fort Hood, Texas? Think PTSD might be involved with these guys?
What about the 7/20/12 Aurora, CO shooting? James Holmes has a degree in neuroscience with highest honors (graduating in the top 1%) and worked with needy children and was on track for a doctorate before his wheels came off.
What went wrong with the Gabby Giffords shooter in Arizona?
On and on.
What the hell is going on? Why do bright young men fly off the track so badly.
Why all the hate?
Why is there no one there to catch them before they fall?
What can we learn from these tragic people?
How can we apply that knowledge to help prevent further tragedies?
Rather than shutting these poor souls away in closets until we can kill them as some sort of sick vengeance how about.....
Putting CSI quality psychiatrist's tools to work and mentally dissect these broken souls. Figure out how and why they tick and then applying that knowledge in the treatment of people found to have a similar personality and circumstances. I hear there is a lot of PTSD going around. This would do amazing things towards the abatement of violent behavior.

The Prison Industrial Complex is licking it's lips at the prospect of stricter laws as a solution to this ridiculous issue. It will feed their inhumane institutions with more poor souls which will feed their bottom line and that in turn will feed our Culture of Violence.

Around and around we go!
 

Aaron Bouchard (125)
Sunday January 6, 2013, 6:34 pm
Noted thanks
 

Deborah W. (6)
Monday January 7, 2013, 6:18 am
Let no major crisis go to waste ... this is just another distraction from the unaddressed root causes.
 

Arielle S. (316)
Monday January 7, 2013, 6:35 am
First of all, MS Diane, nobody (including Obama) wants to take away your precious guns. And second, Paul, nobody is saying guns are the be all and end all of violence - there are plenty of other issues that contribute - not just mental illness but poverty and racism and our violent society. The point is that guns are too easy to get - not just guns, but killing machines that nobody needs to have in an average home. Assault weapons - by virtue of the name, they have no business being where Joe Blow can get them so easily.
 

Diane O. (149)
Monday January 7, 2013, 7:08 am
Arielle, I KNOW no one will take away our handguns. That....I know. Obama seems to make everything a crisis and this was no exception.
 

Arielle S. (316)
Monday January 7, 2013, 7:31 am
You don't think 20 young children and six dead adults are any kind of crisis?
 

Past Member (0)
Monday January 7, 2013, 9:14 am
Paul, I"ll ease off on the “fascist” thing when we wipe the 4th reich from america. How would you know anything about the american coup of 2000? You should.
On the 2nd amendment issue. What good is it when we let a group of known nazi's take our country, its media and economy and defend them with such fervor? The time to use the 2nd amendment came and went. Meanwhile, their media has brainwashed so many people, so deeply that they don't even recognize the enemy.
known nazi's:
Prescott Bush
The bush's
Karl Rove
Paul Wolfowitz
Donald Rumsfeld
Dick Cheney
Alexander Haig
et al
Remember the Mr. Bush (mabus) administration? They are real. Fascism came to america carrying a cross and american flag.

Bone up. Your country needs you.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=steps+to+fascism
 

. (0)
Monday January 7, 2013, 11:30 pm
I support the decision of this administration to clearly address question of gun control within the US. The question of how to better support those with mental health needs is also part of the discussion, as far as the proposed agenda stands. Thus, there doesn't appear to actually be the disconnect between cause & effect that a segment of this conversational body has attested. The only clear disconnect I can see within this conversation is the inability to speak civilly to another individual when one has a differing point of view. The connection between the widespread violence of our gun-loving culture and the open antagonism displayed during discussion of gun control seems screamingly obvious to me.
 

Ruth R. (215)
Thursday January 10, 2013, 2:23 pm
correction. ARE WE PAWNS IN A SYSTEM THAT WOULD LIKE PEOPLE TO NOT BE ABLE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES -- AGAINST PEOPLE WHO WILL GET THESE WEAPONS -- AND AGAINST -- A partly CORRUPT GOVERNMENT-- IF IT GOES AGAINST THE CIVILIANS?
Ruth R. (122)
CORRECTION Thursday January 10, 2013, 2:09 pm
If I was about to get shot any where -- by some person who either planned it, or did not -- I sure would be grateful if some other person {wothout getting injured and without getting killed} stopped that gun from from going off. Guns are not the only kind of weapons that I would need to be defended from.
THIS DEBATE NEEDS TO BE ENDED. IT IS DISTRACTION FROM THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE WHY THE MISUSE OF WEAPONS.
THE REAL PEACEFUL DISCUSSION IS ABOUT HOW TO KEEP PEOPLE HAPPY, HEALTHY AND SANE -- SO THAT PEOPLE WILL NOT MIS-USE WEAPONS OF ALL KINDS. THEN THE ACTIONS -- THAT HELP PEOPLE STAY HEALTHY, HAPPY, WHOLE, AND SANE NEED TO BE TAKEN. THE GUN ISSUES IS A NON-ISSUE. PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS AND HAVE ALWAYS MADE WEAPONS OF ALL KINDS.
THIS DEBATE NEEDS TO BE ENDED -- BECAUSE IT IS A DISTRACTION FROM THE REAL ISSUES -- THAT CAUSE PEOPLE TO MIS-USE WEAPONS.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DEBATE MANY COUNTRIES HAVE NO GUN RIGHTS -- AND LESS DEATHS TO GUNS, 1. THEY ARE AT THE MERCY OF OTHERS WHO GET A HOLD OF GUNS. 2. THEY ARE AT THE MERCY OF OTHERS WHO ARE TAKING OVER THE GOVERNMENT. 3. THEY ARE AT THE MERCY OF THE CORRUPT PEOPLE IN THE GOVERNMENT.

WHEN THE GOVERNMENT FEAR-- HAS AWE AND RESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE, THEN THE PEOPLE HAVE FREEDOM.
WHEN THE PEOPLE FEAR THE GOVERNMENT -- THEN THERE IS TYRANNY.

WHERE ARE THE PETITIONS FROM THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE -- FREEDOM OF CHOICE OF WEAPONS -- AND KEEP THE GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS TO A MINIMUM ???

ARE WE ALL BEING USED LIKE PAWNS IN A GOVERNMENT SYSTEM THAT WOULD LIKE US TO THINK THAT WE DO NOT NEED WEAPONS --- WHEN THAT GOVERNMENT SYSTEM IS TAKING ALL THE POWER FROM THE PEOPLE THAT IT POSSIBLY CAN ???
IF YOU GO AHEAD AND BAN THOSE WEAPONS -- AND THERE WILL BE ANOTHER KIND OF WEAPON BY THOSE WHO YOU TOOK IT AWAY FROM.
IF YOU KEEP PETITIONING AND WRITING ABOUT GUN CONTROL, YOU MISS THE TRUE MATTER -- THAT OF ADDRESSING:
1. WHAT IS THE TRUE PURPOSE OF WEAPONS.
2. HOW TO HELP PEOPLE FROM MIS -- USING WEAPONS.
3. THE SELF-CONTROL AND RESPECT AND HONOR OF PEACEFUL SELF-DEFENSE.
WITH OR WITHOUT WEAPONS.
4. SINCE WHEN DID GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION MEAN THAT THE GOVERNMENT WOULD NOT BE USED AGAINST THE PEOPLE -- TO TAKE AWAY THEIR OWN MEANS OF DEFENSE -- THAT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A GUN. THERE ARE MANY OTHER KINDS OF WEAPONS.
YOU WASTE YOUR TIME ON BRING UP THE MATTER OF GUN CONTROL. GO TO THE ROOT OF THE CAUSE OF THE MISUSE OF WEAPONS.
YOU SHAME YOURSELVES.
 

Ruth R. (215)
Thursday January 10, 2013, 2:43 pm
cor
Ruth R. (122)
Thursday January 10, 2013, 2:23 pm
correction. ARE WE PAWNS IN A SYSTEM THAT WOULD LIKE PEOPLE TO NOT BE ABLE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES -- AGAINST PEOPLE WHO WILL GET THESE WEAPONS -- AND AGAINST -- A partly CORRUPT GOVERNMENT-- IF IT GOES AGAINST THE CIVILIANS?
Ruth R. (122)
CORRECTION Thursday January 10, 2013, 2:09 pm
If I was about to get shot any where -- by some person who either planned it, or did not -- I sure would be grateful if some other person {wothout getting injured and without getting killed} stopped that gun from from going off. Guns are not the only kind of weapons that I would need to be defended from.
THIS DEBATE NEEDS TO BE ENDED. IT IS DISTRACTION FROM THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE WHY THE MISUSE OF WEAPONS.
THE REAL PEACEFUL DISCUSSION IS ABOUT HOW TO KEEP PEOPLE HAPPY, HEALTHY AND SANE -- SO THAT PEOPLE WILL NOT MIS-USE WEAPONS OF ALL KINDS. THEN THE ACTIONS -- THAT HELP PEOPLE STAY HEALTHY, HAPPY, WHOLE, AND SANE NEED TO BE TAKEN. THE GUN ISSUES IS A NON-ISSUE. PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS AND HAVE ALWAYS MADE WEAPONS OF ALL KINDS.
THIS DEBATE NEEDS TO BE ENDED -- BECAUSE IT IS A DISTRACTION FROM THE REAL ISSUES -- THAT CAUSE PEOPLE TO MIS-USE WEAPONS.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DEBATE MANY COUNTRIES HAVE NO GUN RIGHTS -- AND LESS DEATHS TO GUNS, 1. THEY ARE AT THE MERCY OF OTHERS WHO GET A HOLD OF GUNS. 2. THEY ARE AT THE MERCY OF OTHERS WHO ARE TAKING OVER THE GOVERNMENT. 3. THEY ARE AT THE MERCY OF THE CORRUPT PEOPLE IN THE GOVERNMENT.

WHEN THE GOVERNMENT FEAR-- HAS AWE AND RESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE, THEN THE PEOPLE HAVE FREEDOM.
WHEN THE PEOPLE FEAR THE GOVERNMENT -- THEN THERE IS TYRANNY.

WHERE ARE THE PETITIONS FROM THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE -- FREEDOM OF CHOICE OF WEAPONS -- AND KEEP THE GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS TO A MINIMUM ???

ARE WE ALL BEING USED LIKE PAWNS IN A GOVERNMENT SYSTEM THAT WOULD LIKE US TO THINK THAT WE DO NOT NEED WEAPONS --- WHEN THAT GOVERNMENT SYSTEM may or may not be TAKING ALL THE POWER FROM THE PEOPLE THAT IT POSSIBLY CAN ???
IF YOU GO AHEAD AND BAN THOSE WEAPONS -- AND THERE WILL BE ANOTHER KIND OF WEAPON BY THOSE WHO YOU TOOK IT AWAY FROM.
IF YOU KEEP PETITIONING AND WRITING ABOUT GUN CONTROL, YOU MISS THE TRUE MATTER -- THAT OF ADDRESSING:
1. WHAT IS THE TRUE PURPOSE OF WEAPONS.
2. HOW TO HELP PEOPLE FROM MIS -- USING WEAPONS.
3. THE SELF-CONTROL AND RESPECT AND HONOR OF PEACEFUL SELF-DEFENSE.
WITH OR WITHOUT WEAPONS.
4. SINCE WHEN DID GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION MEAN THAT THE GOVERNMENT WOULD NOT BE USED AGAINST THE PEOPLE -- TO TAKE AWAY THEIR OWN MEANS OF DEFENSE -- THAT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A GUN. THERE ARE MANY OTHER KINDS OF WEAPONS.
YOU WASTE YOUR TIME ON BRING UP THE MATTER OF GUN CONTROL. GO TO THE ROOT OF THE CAUSE OF THE MISUSE OF WEAPONS.
YOU SHAME YOURSELVES.
 

Ruth R. (215)
Thursday January 10, 2013, 4:18 pm
What I Was Trying To Explain.
HOW TO UP-- ROOT THE MISUSE AND USE OF WEAPONS IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND THE BALANCE OF POWER IN SOCIETY.
5:02 the latest correction and maybe the last to my thought at this time on gun control may be a distraction. There are other issues: how to uproot the causes of the misuse and the use of weapons in the first place???
Do we remember the fight for freedom and the steps to downfall that took place before the natzi's tried to take over in world war two?
correction. Are we pawns in a behind the scenes system that would like people to think that they do not have to defend them selves and their loved ones -- from people who could and would if they could get these weapons -- and defend themselves and others from -- A partly good and partly excellent government system-- if the government turns against the civilians?
Do we remember the fight for freedom and the steps to downfall that took place before the natzi's tried to take over in world war two?
If I was about to get shot any where -- by some person who either planned it, or did not -- I sure would be grateful if some other person {without getting injured and without getting killed} stopped that gun from from going off. Guns are not the only kind of weapons that I would need to be defended from.
THIS DEBATE NEEDS TO BE ENDED. IT IS DISTRACTION FROM THE ROOT CAUSE OF WHY THE MISUSE OF WEAPONS.
The real useful conversation is about how to keep people happy, whole, healthy and sane -- so that people will not misuse weapons of all kinds. Then the actions need to taken -- that help people stay healthy, whole, sane and happy, and at peace. THE GUN ISSUES IS A NON-ISSUE. PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS AND HAVE ALWAYS MADE WEAPONS OF ALL KINDS.
This conversation needs to change it's course -- because it is a distraction from the real subject: The cause of the misuse of guns and weapons.
If you would like to have a peaceful conversation: Many countries have no gun rights --and less deaths and injuries to guns 1A. they have many other kinds of weapons and ways to fight. , 1. They are at the mercy of other who get a hold of "better" weapons -- if trained and self-controled civilians do not have those better weapons. 2. They are at the mercy of those who are taking over the good in the government system. 3. They are at the mercy of the corrupt people in the government system or behind the government system --for example -- raw milk and organic produce being taken by government officials and dumped and trashed.

When the governments and/or the eu and/or the un have FEAR-- HAS AWE AND RESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE, THEN THE PEOPLE HAVE FREEDOM.
WHEN THE PEOPLE FEAR THE GOVERNMENT -- THEN THERE IS TYRANNY.

Where are the petitions from the people who would like -- freedom of choice of the kind of weapons they have -- and keep the government regulations out of this matter and/or to a minimum???
Are we being used like pawns in a system making us to think that we do not need weapons --- when that government -- by nature -- may or may not be taking all the power from the people that it possibly can ???
If you go and ban those weapons -- there will be another kind of weapon -- by those who you took it away from.
If you keep petitioning and writing about gun control, you miss the true matter -- that of addressing:
1. What is the true purpose of weapons -- needs a list and to be peaceful conversations.
2. How to help people use weapons for the only the correct reasons.
3. how to stop the misuse of weapons.
4. The self-control and respect and honor of self defense -- peaceful or not --
without or with weapons.
5. Since when did government intervention mean that the government will not be used against the civilians -- to take away a means of their own self -defense -- gun or other weapon?
 
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