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Democrats Push Back on Voting Rights (TEXT and VIDEO)


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Carrie
- 495 days ago - washingtonpost.com
After crying foul over Republican efforts to modify election laws in key states, Democrats are launching their own wide-ranging push to change the way Americans vote, kicking off the latest battles in a fight over voting rights that's as old as the...



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Arielle S. (317)
Tuesday August 20, 2013, 2:18 pm
I surely hope the Dems are pushing back...this isn't about parties, it's about all that we've fought for and worked for...it's about our freedoms and our rights as citizens. The Republicans are waging war on just about everything that matters. We have to make certain they lose these wars.
 

GGmaSheila D. (169)
Tuesday August 20, 2013, 5:27 pm
Only time will tell whether any of the unfair voting changes can be chaned. Noted with thanks.
 

Bryna Pizzo (139)
Tuesday August 20, 2013, 6:36 pm
Thank you! The democrats have been oddly quiet about the Republican attacks of voting rights.
 

Bryna Pizzo (139)
Tuesday August 20, 2013, 6:41 pm
Oops. Of should have been on. I am exhausted. We have to vote the scoundrels out of office.
 

Lona Goudswaard (78)
Wednesday August 21, 2013, 7:50 am
It's about time.
 

Joanne Dixon (40)
Wednesday August 21, 2013, 12:42 pm
Good news.
 

Gene Jacobson (256)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 12:35 pm
"Democrats have criticized the new rules as overly restrictive, making it more difficult for an eligible voter to cast a ballot. Their legislative response: Make it easier for eligible Americans to register to vote and to sign up to receive a ballot by mail."

Well, good, about time. The democrats have been largely absent from this entire discussion including last year when there were real problems in an election year. It was left to other groups to launch court battles to overturn extremism in many states. Time to stop sitting on the sidelines and get into this scrap and let the people know what we believe is just and fair and allows all eligible voters a chance to cast that ballot. Take the offensive back from the republican party on this issue and stay at it until they back down and stop trying to curtail voting. Good move!
 

Diane O. (168)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:41 pm
We are a country where a pictured ID is absolutely necessary to identify who we are. Without a photo ID none of us could cash a check, drive a car, take out a home loan, open an investment account or even apply to go to a university. We are bound by that. You can't even apply for medicare, medicare, social security without a photo ID.

So, please, understand what you are commenting on.....Americans without a photo ID literally cannot move in our country. If an American wants to vote they need to show a photo ID. How complicated is that? It isn't. This is a political argument. The minorities in our country who receive welfare, Medicaid, government subsidized housing, food stamps, taxpayer child daycare...HAVE TO HAVE A PHOTO ID.
 

Nyack Clancy (453)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:44 pm
Love the logic Diane- Mothers who can barely afford to feed their kids macaroni and cheese for dinner should run right out and buy a $300 passport.

 

Nyack Clancy (453)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:47 pm
If a birth certificate and social security card are not a valid form of ID they should stop issuing them.
 

Diane O. (168)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:48 pm
Can they drive a car? Well, there you go.... a photo ID. You make this too easy.
 

Nyack Clancy (453)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:49 pm
Because- what you are suggesting, is people must PAY some sort of fee to be able to vote.
 

Diane O. (168)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:49 pm
A passport costs around $45.00 and why would anyone need a passport unless they had the excess dollars to travel abroad? think before you write and submit.
 

Nyack Clancy (453)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:50 pm
Not every drives a car, Dianne. I dont.
 

Diane O. (168)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:50 pm
No, no fee at all, Nyack. If the "mother" has a driver's license she has a photo ID. Why are you trying to make this complicated? It is not complicated. It is basic, actually.
 

Nyack Clancy (453)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:51 pm
Why must people pay the Department of Motor Vehicles a fee for the right to vote?
 

Nyack Clancy (453)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:52 pm
Because it should not have to cost an American ONE CENT to vote.
 

Diane O. (168)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:52 pm
Well, some, very few IMO, do not drive a car. However, if they are receiving disability payments, Medicaid, social security, housing subsidized by the government (the taxpayers) they have to have a photo ID to apply for these benefits.

Sorry, Nyack, but you can't get around this one.
 

Roseann d. (178)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:54 pm
Too true Diane O....Look at all the Repubbers that have Photo IDs in Congress and are acting in treasonous UNAMERICAN ways.... Photo IDs mean nothing...even among the elected officials that have 'em.
 

Nyack Clancy (453)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:55 pm
Well- it is really none of your business, if they drive, or they dont drive.

I ask you the question again- why should a citizen pay a fee to the Department of Motor Vehicles for the right to vote?
 

Diane O. (168)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:55 pm
So, if they don't drive, don't have a bank account where their taxpayer funded welfare checks are being deposited they can ask a neighbor to drive them to the polls and vote but guess what? They need to bring a copy of their birth certificate to prove THAT THEY ARE AN AMERICAN AND THAT THEY ARE REGISTERED TO VOTE.

Next question?
 

Diane O. (168)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:56 pm
Roseann, you simply aren't making any sense. Emotional response without any merit.
 

Nyack Clancy (453)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:57 pm
Not trying to "Get Around It". Stop accusing me of attempting to do something underhanded. I HAVE My passport, thank you.

The point is- voting should not cost ANYTHING.
 

Diane O. (168)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:58 pm
If an American wants to vote they need to "register" to vote in that district. That requires a photo ID. Otherwise, that same person without any documentation via photo ID can vote 10 times.
 

Nyack Clancy (453)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:58 pm
No one in this country PAYS FOR THE RIGHT TO VOTE.
 

Diane O. (168)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 3:59 pm
Think, Nyack.
 

Nyack Clancy (453)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 4:00 pm
Everyone in this country is issued FREE government Identification. It is called a birth certificate and a social security card.

 

Diane O. (168)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 4:01 pm
It is good to read that you have a passport. You, as an American, understands that in order to vote you first have to be registered to vote. What the democrats want to do is load a bus up with unregistered voters who can vote 10 to 15 times in order to get their candidate elected.

We have a system in our country where Americans have to register to vote in their district. That requires proof of residence and that takes a photo ID. You can't get away from that fact.
 

Diane O. (168)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 4:02 pm
Well, that is well and good but you have to PROVE that you live in the district where you are going to vote. Comprende?
 

Nyack Clancy (453)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 4:04 pm
I have a ton of photo ID. This isn't about me. Yes- I have been fortunate enough to acquire it, but "privilege" of some sort is NOT a voting requirement- and NONE of it was free.

There are people out there that cannot afford a bus trip.
 

Nyack Clancy (453)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 4:05 pm
A PHONE bill, or an ELECTRIC bill is proof of residence.
 

Roseann d. (178)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 4:07 pm
Diane O....Emotions are what make me human....So thanks for explaining your lack of humanity...Meanwhile... once you start posting sources to back up your asinine claims, maybe you'll have an inkling of credibility...until then...it's your blah, blah, blah ad nauseum....blather.
 

Carrie B. (318)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 4:07 pm
"What the democrats want to do is load a bus up with unregistered voters who can vote 10 to 15 times in order to get their candidate elected." And of course Diane you have proof of this, right?

GOP Voter Fraud Accusations Suddenly Blowing Up In Their Faces
Posted: 10/25/2012 10:04 am EDT | Updated: 06/26/2013 7:06 pm EDT

Republican officials, who have used hysteria about alleged voter fraud as an excuse to support measures that disproportionately block Democratic voters, are furiously trying to distance themselves from a growing number of GOP voter registration drives that either submitted false applications or threw away authentic ones.

The incidents might have been overlooked if not for the GOP's clamorous campaign to restrict registration drives, purge voter rolls, roll back early voting, and pass voter ID laws that opponents point out have the effect of depressing the vote among minorities, the poor and other generally Democratic constituencies.

As one Southern California alt-weekly put it, it's turning into a story of "The Wolf Who Cried Wolf."

The latest drama began to unfold on Oct. 17, when the manager of a Tuesday Morning discount store in Virginia's Shenandoah Valley saw a man throwing a garbage bag into the store's private dumpster. Inside the bag was a file folder containing eight completed Virginia voter registration forms.

The manager described the man to Rockingham County sheriff's deputies, who the following day arrested Colin Small, 23, a voter registration drive contractor for the Virginia GOP -- and charged him with eight felonies and five misdemeanors related to the destruction and disclosure of the applications and obstruction of justice.

A few weeks earlier, the GOP had been under fire following reports of suspicious registration applications that had been submitted in 10 Florida counties by a company run by Nathan Sproul, a Republican operative who has long been trailed by allegations of voter fraud. The Republican Party paid Sproul's company, Strategic Allied Consulting, about $3 million this year for registration drives in five swing states: Colorado, Florida, North Carolina, Nevada, and Virginia.

In Palm Beach County, Fla., alone, about 100 questionable voter registrations were flagged, more than half of which involved changing a voter’s party affiliation to Republican or independent. Discrepancies were also found in North Carolina.

And a viral video uploaded to YouTube in late September showed a young woman who worked for Strategic Allied Consulting registering voters in Colorado and admitting that she was only looking for Republicans. "Well, I'm actually trying to register people for a particular party. Because we're out here in support of Romney, actually," the woman said.

Given Sproul's history, it could hardly have come as a surprise to his GOP employers that his canvassers would generate spurious applications.

And yet, because every bit of the process of voting has now become so politically supercharged, once the allegations of voter registration fraud became public, the Republican National Committee and its state chapters quickly severed their ties with Sproul.

"We've made it clear we're not doing business with these guys anymore," Sean Spicer, the RNC communications director, told Michael Isikoff of NBC News. "We've come out pretty strong against this kind of stuff -- and we have zero tolerance for this."

As for Small, who was first hired by Sproul's group, the RNC this week simultaneously denied he was working directly for them and announced that he'd been fired.

On Friday, RNC Chairman Reince Priebus told HuffPost's Amanda Terkel: "If it's true, the guy should be punished. He was fired, and he should have been fired. There's no tolerance for this stuff."

Republican Party of Virginia Chairman Pat Mullins released a statement saying Small's actions were "a direct contradiction of both his training and explicit instructions given to him."

Democratic National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, by contrast, issued her own statement, calling Small's arrest just another example of "a concerted effort by the RNC and its allies to win the game by rigging it altogether."

And three Democratic congressmen from Virginia on Tuesday sent a letter to the Justice Department requesting "a multi-state investigation to determine if a pattern of voting registration irregularities related to Strategic Allied Consulting are connected and constitute a broader conspiracy of voter registration fraud."

The frequency of allegations "would seem to suggest something more than the isolated acts of 'a few bad apples,'" they wrote.

Voter registration fraud is different, way more common and considerably less threatening to democracy than actual voter fraud. Registering Mickey Mouse to vote is easy, and a far cry from actually casting a fraudulent ballot.

The main reason voter registration fraud is so common is that canvassers are sometimes rewarded based on how many applications they submit -- which can incentivize padding. That's what happened fairly frequently with Acorn, the community group that Republicans demonized as a fraud factory after it successfully registered over a million mostly inner-city residents before the 2008 election -- with some imaginary and dead people mixed in.

Priebus himself recently cited the example of Acorn to support his argument that "Democrats know they benefit from election fraud."

But Acorn, unlike Strategic Allied Consulting, actually self-reported its canvassers' suspicious applications -- which it was legally obligated to submit nonetheless. The ones from Sproul's groups, on the other hand, were spotted by election officials.

And the Colorado video, combined with the fact that the suspicious Palm Beach applications featured so many party switches, suggest that Sproul's group might have added a new wrinkle: rewarding its canvassers for applications from Republicans or independents, but not from Democrats.

What none of that explains, however, is what might have motivated Small -- who, after all, didn't submit fraudulent applications; he's charged with throwing out legitimate ones.

Because Virginia doesn't register people by party, "it's not possible to tell a party affiliation just by looking at the voter registration form," said state board of elections spokeswoman Nikki Sheridan, ruling out one potential answer.

The eight applicants varied in age, and the rural area where they live is overwhelming white, ruling out two more.

So as it turns out, although county officials won't confirm it on the record, the most likely possibility may be that Small was throwing the applications away because he'd waited longer than the statutory 15 days after he collected them to turn them in, and was afraid of getting in trouble.

Virginia's guidelines for voter registration drives clearly state that failure to turn in completed applications within 15 days can lead to prosecution for a misdemeanor.

Small, although he was released from jail not long after his arrest, could not be reached for comment.

Sheridan, from the state board of elections, said that the eight applications found in the dumpster were processed by local officials that same day.

As it turned out, three of the applicants were already registered, and one was rejected on account of a felony conviction. But four of them will now be newly on the voter rolls in November."
 

Roseann d. (178)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 8:22 pm
Good gawd, how did the USA ever stay sovereign for 200+ years before Photo ID. It's simply incredible!
 

Roseann d. (178)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 8:38 pm
Even if the Right could make their case, which they have failed to do, I'd rather see a few illegitimate votes cast then banning tens of thousands of legitimate voters. Remember, voter suppression IS voter fraud!
 

Diane O. (168)
Friday August 23, 2013, 2:35 am
No one is banning anyone from voting. In order to vote you have to be registered in your district. You need to show a photo ID to prove you are that person on their list. It's simple.
 

Jason R. (66)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 10:32 pm
Yes they are, Diane. That's why the crazy right is doing this. You know it. Stop acting dumbed down.
 

Diane O. (168)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 5:48 am
Okay, Jason, tear up your photo ID. Now move forward in the United States trying to live your life. You are never anywhere near being a logical thinker. You seem to be hyped up on your anti-American bandstand favoring those who blame their lack of personal responsibility on the republicans.

Anyone who wants to vote in our country must register in their districts. What's the first thing they are asked when they register? That's right.....do you have a photo ID? Second question: Can you prove you live in this district by showing us a utility bill with your address on it?

Keep trying, Jason. One day you'll say something pro American.
 

Carrie B. (318)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 7:33 am
Good point Diane ~ Yes, I had to produce a photos ID when I registered to vote. I was then mailed my voter registration/ID card ~ so why do I need to produce anything other than that card at the time I vote?

Since I am no longer able to drive ~ when my driver's license expires 30 days after my next birthday, I will have to PAY for a photo ID. That ID should be free! There are many who can not afford to pay for photo ID's ~ nor should they have to.
 

Diane O. (168)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 8:02 am
It was because of your photo ID that you were mailed your registration card. Whether we want to accept it or not there is rampant voter fraud in our country. We all heard from a lady in Ohio who was bragging that she voted 10 times for Obama. That's just the tip of the iceberg. If you want a fool proof way to end voter fraud so that YOUR candidate has a fair chance of winning an election then you should be 100% for photo ID's being shown at the time of voting so that they can match your ID to your name on the list and check your name off as having voted. This is to protect your party and mine.

If your driver's license expires then you should renew it through the mail unless you have been designated as someone who can no longer have a driver's license. You should pay for these services as they are not free. It cost money to run agencies like the DMV and as Americans we know that people do not work for free.

You are NOT entitled to free anything, Carrie. That's a liberal mindset. Nothing is free in our country and why should it be?
 

Carrie B. (318)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 11:32 am
Aren't you just so special and entitled Diane? I am still laughing at your "no answer answer". I have a valid voter registration card ~ why do I need anything else? Please document your claims of "the lady in Ohio".

And my dear Diane, many of us do not have your resources, so PAYING for a photo ID is a hardship ~ YES, SOMETHINGS SHOULD BE FREE!
 

Diane O. (168)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 12:20 pm
The majority of Americans have a driver's license. There's your photo ID right there! What does it cost $9.00? I'm sorry you don't have the money to renew your driver's license but I'm glad you can pay for internet services and a computer so that you can be on Care 2. We are all a product of the choices we make for ourselves.
 

Carrie B. (318)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 12:32 pm
How do you or anyone know how my internet is paid for? Sorry Miss Privileged Diane, but $9.00? What planet do you and your privileged live on?
 

Carrie B. (318)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 12:35 pm
Sorry Diane, but I am still waiting to hear about all of your very privileged choices!
 

Diane O. (168)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 12:38 pm
Oops....to renew my driver's license in the state of Virginia cost $32.00. So, I do stand corrected on that.
 

Carrie B. (318)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 12:49 pm
Still waiting to hear about all of those really difficult choices Diane had to make. WOW! $32.00! So happy that you have that amount! Aren't you just so special?!
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 12:55 pm

It's an argument of and for distraction. Before the 2012 election many spent the money to buy new photo ID, of course now those ID would be useless in the states that are constantly changing their demands. This is not about ID, that is a fools discussion. This is simply about how to block those most likely to NOT for the slug with an (R) after their name. Photo ID is the distraction, not the essence. If this were only about photo ID, why then would be necessary to close "certain" precincts and not others? Why suddenly limit early voting in those states? Why not allow the same old rules, once you are line before 7pm on election day, let those people vote? Just a few of the many reasons why these obvious new restrictions will need to be taken to court. This is not about state sovereignty, but about how to limit those who are legally able to vote.

Twenty-sixth amendment reads:

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.
Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
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However, there is not one word about states rights, limits of voting or picture ID.

That is the current gimmick used to attempt to abridge voting rights.
 

Diane O. (168)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 12:59 pm
Rosanne, I do want to address your comments. Requiring a pictured ID is to protect both parties from voter fraud. Did you know that you cannot open an investment account unless you have a photo ID? That's right. You cannot open an IRA account OR participate in your company's 40lK. In fact, you have to update your photo ID when it expires. There's really not too much wiggle room in that respect. When you open a checking account at the bank...you have to show a photo ID. When you apply for your first driver's license you have to have a military ID or your birth certificate. Want to get on an airplane? Well, you better have a photo ID otherwise you aren't going to fly anywhere.

Want to write a check in a department store? You have to have a photo ID. Ever traveled abroad? What do you need to enter into another country? You guessed it!! A photo ID...your passport!

Want to apply for Medicare, Medicaid, social security benefits? That's a triplex....three times you'll need a photo ID. Let's say you are looking for a new apartment. They want a photo ID or you don't get the apartment! How about a mortgage loan? Better have that photo ID.

Looking for a new physician? That requires a photo ID. How about picking up your meds at the drug store? Photo ID....especially if you have been prescribed a controlled substance.

Ever had a mammogram? Photo ID. Do you want me to go on or have I given you enough examples why the vast majority of Americans have a photo ID?

It's a choice one makes whether to have one or not but when you don't have one it makes life difficult. My point is simple and clear. Requiring a photo ID to vote protects all of us from voter fraud. Neither party wants that. We don't want anyone voting 10 times for the same candidate in any state in our country. This is the world we live in.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 1:07 pm

Fraud? Voter fraud? Please do list the names of each person that has been caught and prosecuted for voter fraud in the last 20 years. There are a few about 3 for all state and federal elections. That is not a an excuse nor a valid argument. Try another tactic.
 

Diane O. (168)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 1:08 pm
Kit, excellent information on the 26th amendment. Glad you posted that. When a young person becomes 18 years of age they have to show proof of their birthday which gives them the right to vote. They don't take their word for it. So, this "new" voter has to bring a birth certificate to prove that they are 18 years old and can vote.

What the federal government cannot dictate is what states vote on and decide what is best for their states. We live in a world of photo ID necessity and I believe mainly since the 9/11 terrorist attacks. When we register to vote now in many states we must prove that we live in that district where we are going to vote. That requires several things....a utility bill that has our name and our address to prove that we can vote in that district and a photo ID on voting day that proves that we have voted once. One time is the key here.

Again, Kit, you posted extremely useful information.

I believe, as intelligent adults, we ALL understand that to not have a photo ID restricts our ability to live in the world we live in. If those in rural areas want to vote and are without a photo ID which may or may not be required in their state, when they appear to vote in their district they still have to bring some proof that they live in the district again a utility bill with their name and address but certainly documentation that proves they are who they say they are. Once they have registered to vote and then vote their name is checked off the list so that no one else can come in after them claiming to be them and cast another vote in the same name.

This is what we want in America. We want to eliminate voter fraud for both parties.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 1:22 pm

What voter fraud? Show me the money! Name just a couple of prosecuted cases of voter fraud.
 

Diane O. (168)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 1:24 pm
A Cincinnati poll worker admitted to an Ohio television station earlier this month she voted twice for President Obama in November. But now authorities think she voted more like six times in the election, and they’ve added her name to a list of 19 they’re investigating for voter fraud.

“Yes, I voted twice,” Melowese Richardson told WCPO-TV, explaining she cast an absentee ballot before voting in person at the polls, Fox News reported. “I, after registering thousands of people, certainly wanted my vote to count, so I voted.”

Now authorities think she may have cast ballots for four other people, too, Fox News reports. And she’s just one of 19 that Hamilton County Board of Elections officials suspect as voting illegally in the most recent election, Fox News reports.

Ms. Richardson is nonrepentant.

“I’ll fight it for Mr. Obama and for Mr. Obama’s right to sit as president of the United States,” she said when asked to respond to the voter fraud investigation that’s under way, Fox News reports.

She also denies she intended to commit voter fraud, Fox News says. Election authorities aren’t so willing to dismiss the fraud suspicions, however.

“It appears she not only attempted to vote more than once, but was actually successful at it and having those additional votes counted,” said Ohio Secretary of State John Husted in the Fox News report. “She appears to have used her position as a poll worker to cover her tracks. That would be someone who is an official in the elections process, using that position to commit a fraud. That is especially troubling to me.”


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/19/ohio-poll-worker-who-admits-voting-twice-obama-may/#ixzz2d0xRMljH
 

Diane O. (168)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 1:28 pm
Twelve thousand noncitizens registered to vote in Colorado; apparently 5,000 of those voted in 2010. A recent report in North Carolina by James O'Keefe's Project Veritas (of ACORN-undercover expose` fame) compared records of registered voters to prospective jurors disqualified due to noncitizenship, but who then voted in North Carolina in 2010. The State of Florida is suing the Department of Homeland Security to obtain a list of noncitizens in order to purge the state's voter rolls before the 2012 election, and was just sued in return by the Barack Obama-Eric Holder Department of Justice with a lawsuit for purging its rolls, which is required by federal law.

[Peter Roff: Obama Administration's Texas Decision Invites Voter Fraud]

Despite the steady reports of election fraud cases, updated regularly on the Republican National Lawyers Association "Vote Fraud Map," there persists a left-wing, Democratic Party-led drumbeat of "vote fraud deniers," who ignore the cases and complain loudly that there is no vote fraud.

And since there is no vote fraud, there is no need to try to prevent it, according to the liberal mantra.

It is a federal crime for an illegal alien to register to vote or to vote in U.S. elections. Yet, rather than enforcing federal law, the Obama-Holder Department of Justice is intent upon punishing states that purge their rolls or enact laws requiring voter ID.

[Washington Whispers: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law]

The Obama-Holder Department of Justice ignores the facts. Tennessee recently enacted a voter photo identification requirement. Its experience in its March primary demonstrates the fallacy of liberal opposition to voter ID. There were 645,775 votes cast in the Tennessee primary, and only 266 persons did not show a photo ID at the polls (including liberal activists protesting the law by appearing at the polls without a photo ID). Those 266 individuals were allowed to vote provisionally and if they returned with their photo ID, their ballots were counted. 112 of them did so, leaving only 154 voters of the 645,775 who did not return with a photo ID. That represents .023 percent of the total primary voters.

In America today, a photo ID is required to buy beer or cigarettes, get married, get on an airplane, or enter the Department of Justice to meet with Eric Holder.

Voter and election fraud does exist in America today. The Obama-Holder Department of Justice should be aggressively seeking to ensure the integrity of America's elections, instead of throwing punches at the states who are trying to do the department's job.

http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/is-voter-fraud-a-real-problem/voter-fraud-deniers-ignore-the-facts
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 1:31 pm

Not an article about MAYBE - Cite the actual cases or don't. You said voter fraud, so cite the cases. Hiding behind a article or words doesn't cut it.
 

Diane O. (168)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 1:32 pm
The liberals can deny that voter fraud exists and that's all well and good but the truth is it exists in our country. States are stepping up to the plate to put in place measures, proof of residence, proof of citizenship, and basic proof of "are you who you say you are" to stop voter fraud in our country.

Before anyone can enter into country they must show a passport. Many states are now requiring a photo ID or a birth certificate but more importantly a utility bill with your name and address on it before you can apply for a driver's license and the right to vote.

So, a young man or woman turns 18 years old and now they can legally vote. How do they prove that they have just turned 18 years old? That's a good question. What must they show to prove that they just had their 18th birthday OR that they will be 18 years old before an election an election they wish to vote in....what documents must they show to prove their eligibility to vote? You've got it....a photo ID if they have a driver's license which the majority of 18 year olds have or a birth certificate AND a utility bill with their parent's address and name if they are still living at home to prove that they are eligible to vote.
 

Diane O. (168)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 1:38 pm


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After state prosecutors embarked on a hunt to track down individuals suspected of voter fraud, an investigation into 19 possible cases is underway in Ohio.

This week, Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters announced that he is pursuing illegal voting charges against three individuals indicted by a grand jury, one of whom is 54-year-old nun Marguerite Kloos.

According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, Sister Kloos told investigators that she filled out an absentee ballot for another nun who died a month before last year's presidential election. Kloos, who stepped down as Dean of the Division of Arts and Humanities at the College of Mount St. Joseph last week, faces a sentence of up to 18 months in prison if convicted.

A 75-year-old widower faces the same sentence. Russell Glassop is accused of filling out an absentee ballot for his wife, who died before the November election.

"Both of those are very sad cases," Tim Burke of the Hamilton County Board of Elections told ABC affiliate WCPO. "There's no doubt that these individuals had the mistaken belief that they could honor their late loved one by voting for them the way they would have voted, or at least the way they believed they would have voted. But you can't do that. It's just wrong."

The third individual accused of voter fraud in Ohio is Melowese Richardson, a 58-year-old poll worker from Cincinnati. She faces eight counts of illegal voting. One of those counts charges her of voting two times in the 2012 presidential election -- once in person and once through absentee ballot.

Richardson told WCPO last month that she had voted twice because she had been "afraid her absentee ballot would not be counted in time."

"There's absolutely no intent on my part to commit voter fraud," she said.

Prosecutors also say Richardson voted on behalf of her family members on numerous occasions. However, the long-time poll worker insists that she had believed all those votes to be legal. She faces up to 12 years in prison if convicted.

"This is not North Korea," said Deters in a statement about the illegal voting charges, according to Fox News. "Elections are a serious business and the foundation of our democracy. In the scheme of things, individual votes may not seem important, but this could not be further from the truth. Every vote is important and every voter and candidate needs to have faith in our system. The charges today should let people know that we take this seriously."

These 19 cases have been causing quite a stir in Ohio and elsewhere, as advocates of stricter voter ID laws point to them as an example of a voter fraud epidemic.

However, in a Feb. 8 report, Josh Israel of Think Progress pointed out that even if "every single one of those 19 alleged cases [of voter fraud in Ohio] proved true, that would represent less than 0.0034 percent of the county’s voters."

Israel went on to point out that none of the 19 alleged cases was of individuals committing in-person voter fraud and that requiring voters to show photo ID at the polls would "do absolutely nothing" to prevent the kind of illegal voting allegedly committed by Kloos, Glassop and Richardson.

"Furthermore, these cases show that the existing laws successfully catch those who vote twice," he wrote. "While voter fraud does rarely exist, fighting these sorts of 'lightning' with strict photo ID laws that disenfranchise legitimate voters is like banning orange juice to prevent jaywalking."

The Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/12/marguerite-kloos-voter-fraud-sister-nun-ohio_n_2860497.html
 

Diane O. (168)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 1:39 pm
Bottom line: voter fraud exists in America.
 

Diane O. (168)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 1:46 pm
I would think that both parties would want to do everything in their power to prevent voter fraud in our country. After all, the pendulum swings both ways and what we, as Americans, should want, is that we have policies in place that will prevent someone from voting 2 to 10 times for a candidate in an election.

We should also, as a two party country, want to make certain that illegals, who ARE NOT American citizens are voting in an election. This would benefit both parties. Why would either party want to allow non US citizens to vote in an election when they aren't paying federal taxes?

So, my informed opinion is that both parties should take every precaution to make certain that only Americans living in their districts can vote for state and federal elections. It absolutely ensures that the votes that are cast are legal and binding votes made by the people living in a district where they are registered.

Why are liberals so against this? Well, it's a mystery until I expand my thoughts and focus on the illegals in our country who look to the liberal Americans for their shelter, food and education without investing a dime of their own money or taking the time to become legal citizens where they have some "skin" in the game....taxes as legal residents of the US.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 1:47 pm

No, there is an opinion that it might exist. As you make a sweeping generalization and offer no proof to back up your assertions we are forced to believe you could not find actual cases. There are few, very few but a few.

Because you believe something to true, but offer no fact, your argument is weak and not worthy of any attention. Try actual facts. Because you say so, that doesn't it so for anyone but yourself. Self delusion is not fact.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 1:56 pm

Your favorite retreat when you can not back up an argument. The liberals did it. Then when all is lost the current handy us of outright lies, the illegals did it. THEY are getting federal and state welfare. No they are not and this has proven, truthfully and with actual accountability on too many occasions.

First, prove the voter fraud. Okay, to may it very easy, give just two states with the names of those successfully prosecuted for voter fraud. Something so prevalent that it requires new laws, must be very easy to substantiate.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 2:00 pm

**Has been proven. ** Make it easy **

Your choice Diane, just two states and two successful prosecutions, of this extreme and prevalent curse of the voting integrity being assaulted.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 2:01 pm

I could say many things about the above opinion and informed is not one of the adjectives I would use.
 

Diane O. (168)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 2:12 pm
I don't have to prove voter fraud. People are in prison for voter fraud. My point is simple and of course you asked for proof and I gave you proof but you now put conditions on that proof because you hate being caught with your knickers down...and I provided the proof. You said "that's only two states." Lame.

Voter fraud exists, Kit. You know it and I know it. Stop acting like you don't understand the truth. It's unbecoming of someone of your publicly admitted educational accomplishments. Of course you know it exists. For you to deny it impacts the validity of your self admitted educational background. You cannot be selectively intelligent Either you are or you aren't. Denying that voter fraud exists is a perfect example of being selectively intellectual protecting a political party line.

Two states is enough to prove that it does, indeed, exist. What is worrisome is what we do not know that exists in other states since we know that it DOES exist in some states.

Voting integrity? If it can be done in two states it can be done in all states. This is precisely why we need to require a photo ID or proof of residency when someone votes in an election.

Voter fraud exists. I've made my point and you have exercised your freedom of speech to dance around the truth.
 

Carrie B. (318)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 2:27 pm
GOP Voter Fraud Accusations Suddenly Blowing Up In Their Faces
Posted: 10/25/2012 10:04 am EDT | Updated: 06/26/2013 7:06 pm EDT

Republican officials, who have used hysteria about alleged voter fraud as an excuse to support measures that disproportionately block Democratic voters, are furiously trying to distance themselves from a growing number of GOP voter registration drives that either submitted false applications or threw away authentic ones.

The incidents might have been overlooked if not for the GOP's clamorous campaign to restrict registration drives, purge voter rolls, roll back early voting, and pass voter ID laws that opponents point out have the effect of depressing the vote among minorities, the poor and other generally Democratic constituencies.

As one Southern California alt-weekly put it, it's turning into a story of "The Wolf Who Cried Wolf."

The latest drama began to unfold on Oct. 17, when the manager of a Tuesday Morning discount store in Virginia's Shenandoah Valley saw a man throwing a garbage bag into the store's private dumpster. Inside the bag was a file folder containing eight completed Virginia voter registration forms.

The manager described the man to Rockingham County sheriff's deputies, who the following day arrested Colin Small, 23, a voter registration drive contractor for the Virginia GOP -- and charged him with eight felonies and five misdemeanors related to the destruction and disclosure of the applications and obstruction of justice.

A few weeks earlier, the GOP had been under fire following reports of suspicious registration applications that had been submitted in 10 Florida counties by a company run by Nathan Sproul, a Republican operative who has long been trailed by allegations of voter fraud. The Republican Party paid Sproul's company, Strategic Allied Consulting, about $3 million this year for registration drives in five swing states: Colorado, Florida, North Carolina, Nevada, and Virginia.

In Palm Beach County, Fla., alone, about 100 questionable voter registrations were flagged, more than half of which involved changing a voter’s party affiliation to Republican or independent. Discrepancies were also found in North Carolina.

And a viral video uploaded to YouTube in late September showed a young woman who worked for Strategic Allied Consulting registering voters in Colorado and admitting that she was only looking for Republicans. "Well, I'm actually trying to register people for a particular party. Because we're out here in support of Romney, actually," the woman said.

Given Sproul's history, it could hardly have come as a surprise to his GOP employers that his canvassers would generate spurious applications.

And yet, because every bit of the process of voting has now become so politically supercharged, once the allegations of voter registration fraud became public, the Republican National Committee and its state chapters quickly severed their ties with Sproul.

"We've made it clear we're not doing business with these guys anymore," Sean Spicer, the RNC communications director, told Michael Isikoff of NBC News. "We've come out pretty strong against this kind of stuff -- and we have zero tolerance for this."

As for Small, who was first hired by Sproul's group, the RNC this week simultaneously denied he was working directly for them and announced that he'd been fired.

On Friday, RNC Chairman Reince Priebus told HuffPost's Amanda Terkel: "If it's true, the guy should be punished. He was fired, and he should have been fired. There's no tolerance for this stuff."

Republican Party of Virginia Chairman Pat Mullins released a statement saying Small's actions were "a direct contradiction of both his training and explicit instructions given to him."

Democratic National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, by contrast, issued her own statement, calling Small's arrest just another example of "a concerted effort by the RNC and its allies to win the game by rigging it altogether."

And three Democratic congressmen from Virginia on Tuesday sent a letter to the Justice Department requesting "a multi-state investigation to determine if a pattern of voting registration irregularities related to Strategic Allied Consulting are connected and constitute a broader conspiracy of voter registration fraud."

The frequency of allegations "would seem to suggest something more than the isolated acts of 'a few bad apples,'" they wrote.

Voter registration fraud is different, way more common and considerably less threatening to democracy than actual voter fraud. Registering Mickey Mouse to vote is easy, and a far cry from actually casting a fraudulent ballot.

The main reason voter registration fraud is so common is that canvassers are sometimes rewarded based on how many applications they submit -- which can incentivize padding. That's what happened fairly frequently with Acorn, the community group that Republicans demonized as a fraud factory after it successfully registered over a million mostly inner-city residents before the 2008 election -- with some imaginary and dead people mixed in.

Priebus himself recently cited the example of Acorn to support his argument that "Democrats know they benefit from election fraud."

But Acorn, unlike Strategic Allied Consulting, actually self-reported its canvassers' suspicious applications -- which it was legally obligated to submit nonetheless. The ones from Sproul's groups, on the other hand, were spotted by election officials.

And the Colorado video, combined with the fact that the suspicious Palm Beach applications featured so many party switches, suggest that Sproul's group might have added a new wrinkle: rewarding its canvassers for applications from Republicans or independents, but not from Democrats.

What none of that explains, however, is what might have motivated Small -- who, after all, didn't submit fraudulent applications; he's charged with throwing out legitimate ones.

Because Virginia doesn't register people by party, "it's not possible to tell a party affiliation just by looking at the voter registration form," said state board of elections spokeswoman Nikki Sheridan, ruling out one potential answer.

The eight applicants varied in age, and the rural area where they live is overwhelming white, ruling out two more.

So as it turns out, although county officials won't confirm it on the record, the most likely possibility may be that Small was throwing the applications away because he'd waited longer than the statutory 15 days after he collected them to turn them in, and was afraid of getting in trouble.

Virginia's guidelines for voter registration drives clearly state that failure to turn in completed applications within 15 days can lead to prosecution for a misdemeanor.

Small, although he was released from jail not long after his arrest, could not be reached for comment.

Sheridan, from the state board of elections, said that the eight applications found in the dumpster were processed by local officials that same day.

As it turned out, three of the applicants were already registered, and one was rejected on account of a felony conviction. But four of them will now be newly on the voter rolls in November."
 

Carrie B. (318)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 2:34 pm
Diane, once again you are proving your right to idiocy! I congratulate you on being a member of the GOP/TEA PARTY fools who have no knowledge of what is happening in our country. You are most certainly a credit to the insanity you represent.
 

Diane O. (168)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 2:38 pm
People are in jail for voter fraud. Process that.
 

Diane O. (168)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 2:39 pm
Two men and two women were sentenced Monday in St. Joseph County Superior Court in South Bend, Indiana, for their part in a 2008 scheme that used forged signatures to put then-presidential hopefuls Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and John Edwards on the ballot in the 2008 Indiana Presidential Primary. The two women entered guilty pleas and the two men were found guilty in a jury trial April 25.

A spokeswoman at the clerk of courts office told The New American details of the sentences:

Owen “Butch” Morgan, former chairman of the St. Joseph County Democratic Party, received a group of concurrent sentences, the longest being four years. Two years of these were suspended. Of the remaining two years, one year will be in prison and one year of direct commitment.

Dustin Blythe, former employee of the St. Joseph County Voter Registration office, received a group of concurrent sentences, the longest being four years. All four years were suspended. He will be under the authority of St. Joseph County Ducomb Center for one year.

Beverly Shelton, former employee of the St. Joseph County Voter Registration office, received a group of concurrent sentences, the longest being four years. All four years were suspended. She will serve two years of probation.

Pam Brunette, former employee of the St. Joseph County Voter Registration office, received a group of concurrent sentences, the longest being four years. All four years were suspended. She will serve two years of probation.

Indiana has very complex election laws regarding ballot access with different requirements for different offices. For a candidate to be on the ballot in a presidential primary for a major party, he must have at least 500 signatures in each congressional district. Failure to get 500 signatures in any congressional district means that presidential candidate will not be on the ballot anywhere in the state.

Round-tabling

Numerous other states have ballot petition laws and establishment insiders take advantage of them to suppress non-establishment candidates and minority political parties. The practice of using forged signatures by establishment candidates is so commonplace that it has been nicknamed “round-tabling.” Former Chicago City Clerk and Alderman James Laski described this in his book My Fall from Grace — From City Hall to Prison Walls. Laski described how he and some other government employees, while on the clock for their government jobs, were sent on a political errand to gather petition signatures. It was a cold day, so they soon left the public parking lot and went to one person’s home. He continued,

Once inside his house, we all sat around the kitchen table and took part in a procedure known as “round-tabling,” in which we forged people’s signatures from the polling sheets. We would randomly select names from the different precincts in the 23rd Ward.

This would go on until we filled up all the petitions. It was always best to get five or six people at the table, so we could get a variety of signatures, and in a lot less time.

According to Laski, the degree of scrutiny for the signatures depended on who was in charge of verification. Some people enforced the rules the same for everybody and some would aggressively enforce the rules for non-establishment candidates while barely scrutinizing the signatures for establishment candidates.

This Case Went to Trial

Election fraud is rarely prosecuted. It requires reasonably well-written laws, a competent investigation, a willing prosecutor, and a willing court. If any one of these links fails, no one is charged. As a general rule most defendants, once charged with violations of election laws, plead guilty or no contest. Because of that, little or nothing more is learned about exactly how it was done or who else was involved.

The U.S. Constitution guarantees in Amendment VI that all accused persons “shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial.” While this is expressed as a right of accused persons, society as a whole also benefits from this constitutional right because the public learns how a crime was committed. That information enables society to take the correct measures to prevent a recurrence.

One recurring theme in electoral fraud is that it is rarely accomplished by a lone individual. It is usually an organized effort of political party operators working in cooperation with government employees. There is frequently at least one employee at the elections department.

A classic case of this kind of teamwork is the infamous U.S. Senate runoff election in 1948 in Texas. The circumstantial evidence was overwhelming, but those who had the authority to declare the results invalid did nothing. The confession came in 1977. With both Lyndon Johnson and party boss George Parr deceased, election judge Luis Salas felt free to tell his story on KHOU television. Salas said he was part of a meeting with Parr, Democratic Party official Ed Lloyd, and Johnson. Salas agreed to add 200 more votes and said he did it because: “I don’t want to work against the party.” Larry J. Sabato and Glenn R. Simpson wrote in their book Dirty Little Secrets, “Salas admitted that two deputy sheriffs added the extra names to the voter list, at his direction.”

Those working to expose voter fraud are agreed that what is needed is simply more prosecutions of electoral fraud to punish the guilty, identify the hidden participants, and inform the public.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/15743-four-sentenced-in-indiana-vote-fraud-case
 

Carrie B. (318)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 2:40 pm
Most, if not ALL voter fraud in the 2012 election was contributed to the GOP trying to suppress the legitimate rights of voters.
 

Diane O. (168)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 2:40 pm
video:

http://www.westernjournalism.com/poll-worker-headed-to-prison-for-voter-fraud/
 

Diane O. (168)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 2:43 pm
You would be wrong again. Voter fraud exists on both sides of the political aisle and my point here is to expose that it does exist in both parties.

It is wrong. We need to stop it. I would think that you would want it stopped as well.

I rest my case.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 2:45 pm

Who is in prison for voter fraud? That name is a matter of public record. You only have prove that your point is valid. Voter fraud is a superficial issue to get others on board the train. I doubt you have the least understanding about you are really supporting.

You gave no proof - you copied an article of opinion. This topic is open record. If we are to change a law should it not be something more than a hack writing an opinion?

I changed no parameters but to make it easier for you and I guess your limited skills for finding proof.

You say voter fraud is real. I ask you for the links or the names of those states that have prosecuted, just two successful prosecutions and you can not handle that. Again, you want to change the subject

Your favorite mantra on Care2 is that you here to offer the truth. Show me the proof. Without a copy and paste...of another opinion that offers no proof you still can not find even one name? Proof, that is the core of truth. Proof of the people that have committed voter fraud, proof. Or is asking for truth is too difficult?
 

Carrie B. (318)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 2:49 pm
Diane is great at making unfounded accusations. Once confronted with truth she usually just disappears. Thank you Kit, but I really doubt the "queen of cowardice and lies" will ever respond.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 2:54 pm

You tube? Are you kidding? You have to MAKE a case before you can you REST a case. Mental masturbation, Diane. No one case of the actual fact of voter fraud. You lose! Again. Now I'm bored.

I gave big opportunities and you still offer no real proof. I should take your opinion? I don't thing so and You tube is fun for cat videos and travel logs but for fact in an discussion? Poor thing, the last retreat of those unable to make a point.
 

Carrie B. (318)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 2:58 pm
I am still laughing at the You Tube reference. Come on Diane ~ get real.
 

Carrie B. (318)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 3:08 pm
Has anyone ever noticed that when confronted with facts little Miss Diane runs and hides? No loss ~ just a confirmation of her lack of facts and knowledge. Thank you Diane!
 

Linda C. (91)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 3:17 pm
Actually, it seems that people are not as read on this subject as they think. There has been proven voter fraud and attributed to Democrats in Washington State, Oregon, California, Colorado, Virginia, North Carolina, New York, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Maine, Indiana, Tennessee, just to name a few. Documented voter fraud.

The point that people here seen to miss is that showing picture ID is the way to prevent it from happening at all. It makes no difference; if you believe the voter fraud was committed by Republicans, then you should have no problem with this and if you believe it was done by Democrats, still not problem with picture ID.

Myack, yes, phone bills and electric bills do count as proof of residence and I will tell you they will actually tell you to bring one or the other as they are allowed to call and verify your the person living there; they did it with me so I know they do this. But that is not all, you need a birth certificate or driver's license. The reason for the driver's license is that they have already confirmed through your birth certificate and verification of residence, so it is documentation that will work. There is a central data base where they can confirm your information such as legally assigned social security number, birth certificate that is notarized, etc.

It would only be those that do not have a driver's license and getting an official State ID card is a good thing to have regardless as there are other areas where it is needed or useful, i.e., getting a loan at a bank, opening a checking account or savings account, etc.

This is not simply a means to suppress votes, it is a means to make sure that only legally registered voters are voting; it keeps both parties honest and should be seen in that light. I just don't understand why there is any argument about this at all. Don't we all want this? Is there some reason that Democrats would not want voters to be legally registered? I do know that in Virginia the DMV is next door to the voter registration office in almost all cities. In Washington State you actually can register to vote at the same time you get an ID card, renew or get your driver's license, etc. (one stop shopping all done at once)..

Carrie, you made an accusation and when the facts were presented why did you not express gratitude to have that presented? It seems interesting that when you or liberals are presented with facts that you can't accept them, you have to either discredit them which does tend to make you look poorly, or you resort to name calling. I rarely if ever see a conservative resort to any name calling and they do back up their statements with fact. It matters not that you do not like the facts nor that you do not agree with them; they are still documented facts and believe it or not, liberals are not privy to all things factual and to imply that you are does tend to make you look very poorly as well.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 3:29 pm

Proof - not just repeating some thing you read or heard. If voter is real - prove it.

For most Americans, voting requires two steps. First, an eligible citizen must register in some manner with an appropriate government agency. Second, once registered, the citizen can then cast a ballot on or before election day. The historical record provides examples of voter registration processes as early as 1801 in the state of Massachusetts, followed by Columbia, South Carolina in 1819, the state of Pennsylvania in 1836, and New York City in 1840. After the Civil War, voter registration systems proliferated throughout the nation, especially in large urban areas of the county.

Prove why we should change a law? Opinions are like noses, we all have them. Proof!
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 3:32 pm

Most voters do not belong to country club, but in Perry Land, that is just what is proposed to change the poling places and make them all at one very inconvenient, difficult to reach polling place. Within itself that aims directly at specific voters.

Picture ID is not the point of any of the proposed changes, eliminating specific voters is, but if the best you have is more blathering about photo ID's then you have no case either.
 

Carrie B. (318)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 3:40 pm
@Linda ~ please explain what my gratitude should be to and for what.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 3:48 pm

Very simple, Diane presented no facts only articles with more speculation. Why should anyone offer gratitude for that?
 

Linda C. (91)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 3:51 pm
Kit, may I ask what qualifies you to be the all-knowing authority on all of this? Further, why do you find it necessary to discredit people, even when they supply you with facts to support their position.

If I told you that an 88 year old veteran was beaten and died as a result by 2 Black teens that were bored and had nothing better to do with their time, would you discredit this? Just a question and would like to know your answer to this as it seems that you are more than willing to do just about anything to make people think that because you state it is is factual and that no one else could possibly be anywhere as intelligent as you. You know what is said about that don't you? So why is it that critical to you? I am really interested in your answer to these questions.

Then again, forget it, I really don't want to know as you see, I have know highly educated and even gifted people in my life and they don't beat their own drum nor do they waste their time trying to tear others down to prove their intelligence or self-importance so I guess I am not impressed. Only mean-spirited people do this and that is so sad. Facts were presented and it matters not what you think of them or whether or not you approve of the source; they are still facts and documented. So there is no further need for any communication. Thank you but no thank you.

 

Carrie B. (318)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 3:58 pm
Still waiting for Linda C. to explain anything about this post. I am just curious.
 

Roseann d. (178)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 4:07 pm
I think it's just as fraudulent to have Righties with Photo ID making poor voting choices based on misinformation put out their by the likes of Faux News and the right wing propaganda machine. THAT is also voter fraud. Selling a bill of good based on misinformation should be treason for any party. Yep, that goes for the Dems too but the Righties have perfected it to shrewd and cunning perfection that appeals to the gullible masses within their party.
 

Carrie B. (318)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 4:08 pm
Linda C., like many of us ~ Kit relies on fact ~ you know fact vs. fiction. I know this may be a very foreign concept to many, but it is quite acceptable to most.
 

Roseann d. (178)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 4:12 pm
What facts is Linda C. talking about that were presented? Where are the links to credible sources to accompany statistics and findings as facts?
 

Carrie B. (318)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 4:17 pm
May I also say Linda C. ~ Kit knows more than you could ever hope, wish, or imagine to know.
 

Roseann d. (178)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 4:45 pm
I agree Carrie. Kit B. never presents herself as snarky or arrogant. She's informed and does her research.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 8:06 pm

No facts were presented just more opinion and supposition. If you declare that there is voter fraud, then it becomes incumbent on you to prove your statement.

As to question of the man beaten to death, until it was checked for facts, I have no opinion. The rest is totally irrelevant. Fortunately I do not live my life worrying about what some group of gossips might think.
 

Syd H. (48)
Wednesday August 28, 2013, 7:33 am
Seriously, I must comment on this because I am not sure I can believe my own eyes. Does anyone, including Diane herself read what she posts? Because she pretty much proved the point she was arguing against which is that Voter ID at the polls is disenfranchisement by posting the article she says proves fraud happens. This is what the end of the article which *she* posted says:

~~
Sunday August 25, 2013, 1:38 pm

...

These 19 cases have been causing quite a stir in Ohio and elsewhere, as advocates of stricter voter ID laws point to them as an example of a voter fraud epidemic.

However, in a Feb. 8 report, Josh Israel of Think Progress pointed out that even if "every single one of those 19 alleged cases [of voter fraud in Ohio] proved true, that would represent less than 0.0034 percent of the county’s voters."

Israel went on to point out that none of the 19 alleged cases was of individuals committing in-person voter fraud and that requiring voters to show photo ID at the polls would "do absolutely nothing" to prevent the kind of illegal voting allegedly committed by Kloos, Glassop and Richardson.

"Furthermore, these cases show that the existing laws successfully catch those who vote twice," he wrote. "While voter fraud does rarely exist, fighting these sorts of 'lightning' with strict photo ID laws that disenfranchise legitimate voters is like banning orange juice to prevent jaywalking."
~~


Seems this time, like a broken clock, Diane was indeed correct.
 
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