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I've never really understood the fear of vaccines, mostly because there's no real, hard evidence linking them to autism, autoimmune disorders, sudden infant death syndrome, or anything else.

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Kit B (276)
Saturday September 14, 2013, 1:13 pm

I was not too concerned about a few people withholding vaccinations from their children, then it became the fodder for Internet conspiracy minions and that seemed to tilt the scales just enough. In the first year we were seeing children dying from diseases long believed to be a part of yesteryear. I do not understand the sycophants that will sacrifice the life of their child for the idolatry of some blathering goof ball on the Internet.

Elizabeth M (65)
Saturday September 14, 2013, 1:20 pm
AS children at only a few months we were vaccinated, and when we started school everyone was vaccinated, wasn't until I was a teen that some parents were refusing to let their children be vaccinated. I have never had the measles, mumps, chickenpox. There was a scare in the 50's regarding an outbreak of polio and we were all vaccinated right away. I do not judge peoples religious rights, but do they not understand that God cannot save an extremely sick child with scarlet fever, and that they putting other children at risk?
Thank Carrie.

Barbara K (60)
Saturday September 14, 2013, 1:20 pm
It used to be that children could not go to school without proof that they had all vaccines. What happened to that? I hope they make it a law. Those idiots have no right to skip them and expose other children to these deadly diseases. The vaccines were invented for a reason - to stop these deadly diseases that cause death and/or blindness. Hope these parents smarten up now that their kids got sick. It is too bad that the children are the ones who pay for the dumb deeds of the parents; the children always end up paying. Shame on the adults. They should be charged with Child Endangerment.


Glenn B (196)
Saturday September 14, 2013, 6:06 pm

Suzanne L (99)
Saturday September 14, 2013, 6:54 pm
In 1998, Andrew Wakefield, a researcher with a chip on his shoulder, submitted a fraudulent paper to the medical journal "The Lancet", alleging that the combined vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella, caused colitis and autism. Right away other researchers were skeptical because despite massive vaccination programs, only small numbers of people developed colitis or autism. Subsequent studies thoroughly disproved both Wakefield's methodology and his conclusions, but vaccine hysteria found traction amongst those suspicious of doctors and ignorant of epidemiology. Now we are seeing the fallout. During the first week of Sept. 2013 there were outbreaks of measles and whooping cough that spread like wildfire in parts of Texas where people had opted out of routine vaccinations. Polio still exists in some areas of the world, as does diptheria and TB. Heaven help us if these spread to North America. Although the World Health Organization officially proclaimed the eradication of smallpox in 1979, soldiers from many countries, including the U.S. continue to receive a vaccine, just in case it is lurking in some remote corner of the world. Like Barbara K., and Elizabeth M., I was vaccinated for multiple diseases as a baby and toddller and received booster shots. There was a time when parents had to vaccinate their kids in order for them to attend school. As society loosened its rules there was still enough "herd immunity" for a lag to occur in the reappearance of highly communicable diseases. There is only one smart choice - get yourself and your kids immunized.

Vicky P (476)
Saturday September 14, 2013, 7:04 pm
ignorance kills unfortunately

Nimue Michelle Pendragon Gaze (339)
Saturday September 14, 2013, 7:45 pm
Insanity brings death. Sadly noted.

Sara V (0)
Saturday September 14, 2013, 8:18 pm
Perhaps the character of vaccines has changed over the decades. Studies on (unfortunately) both animals and humans have shown higher incidence of type 1 diabetes which precedes what is apparently called "autoimmune autism" stemming from inflammation caused by vaccinations according to this Open Access Scientific Report:

Sara V (0)
Saturday September 14, 2013, 9:05 pm
Think of it this way - who owns you? Do you own you? Should you be the one who decides what goes into your body? A Maine woman was threatened with having her child taken away because she was feeding her son raw goat's milk and celery juice rather than the doctor-approved GMO-soy formula. The parent is in charge of raising their child - they decide what is in the child's best interest until the child can make that determination for themselves. It's natural selection at work (if it's allowed to work), and if there are childhood deaths from these diseases I would guess that more people will choose to vaccinate their children. The only children endangered by any outbreak of vaccination-prevented diseases are children who aren't vaccinated. So, vaccinate your child if you want to, and rest protected. Let others decided what is right for them. I could die from the bacteria present in raw milk or eggs, but I want to decide for myself what to eat and drink.

The Federal Government proves time and time again that it does not deserve our trust - it pushes GMOs, facilitates fracking and gross banking transgressions, makes war (having dropped tons of chemicals on Vietnam, and fired thousands of depleted uranium projectiles in Iraq.) They certainly should not be given the power to control what is put into our bodies. What about a woman's right to choose? Is that any different from deciding whether or not to have her child immunized? This is important to think about.

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 15, 2013, 12:44 am
I'm not a right wing conservative, but I withheld some vaccines from my child. It's a hard decision to take in either scenario.

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 15, 2013, 4:45 am
There is also no real evidence that GM foods are bad for people either. For that matter, there's no real evidence microwave ovens are bad (except for some kittens).

Frances Darcy (133)
Sunday September 15, 2013, 6:16 am

S S (0)
Sunday September 15, 2013, 6:23 am
Thank you.

Michael O (176)
Sunday September 15, 2013, 6:33 am
Vaccines are one of the greatest weapons that modern medicine has in its arsenal. One of our biggest killers, smallpox, was eradicated thanks to vaccines. Another debilitating disease, polio, is now virtually unknown outside of the Third World, also thanks to massive vaccination programs. And think of all the other miscellaneous childhood diseases that killed and maimed unnecessarily: measles, mumps, and rubella, just to name a few. Vaccination has reduced children's mortality rates significantly.

If you have children, don't hesitate. GET THEM VACCINATED!

. (0)
Sunday September 15, 2013, 7:16 am
I've never understood it, either, Carrie. If people would just get their kids vaccinated, none of this diseases would be coming back.

Lona G (80)
Sunday September 15, 2013, 8:21 am
This time, Carrie, I'm (un)happy to let you know that America doesn't stand alone in this. The Netherlands has its own outbreak of the measles in its bible belt. Every few years this disease comes back in this region and every time less children are afflicted because more members of these protestant splinter fractions see sense, but the debate goes on and measles are still not eradicated. And because it is seen as the lesser evil of childhood diseases such as polio which has a higher death rate and can have very debilitating consequences for survivors, the government still takes the softly-softly approach in the hope that all will finally come to their senses. In the meantime a number of children end up in hospital (none have died yet) who may end up damaged.

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 15, 2013, 10:21 am
Yes some of these illnesses are rife again now because children were not vaccinated

Kenneth Davies (0)
Sunday September 15, 2013, 12:37 pm

DORIS L (61)
Sunday September 15, 2013, 1:06 pm
Noted. Ignorance is not bliss.

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 15, 2013, 1:21 pm
Carrie, if you do more research, i think you will understand.
1. Many vaccines still contain mercury and other toxins.
2. In the 1960's, NY State required less than a dozen vaccines of school age children, today, it is more than 50!
3. As far as the flu vaccine goes, in the spring a group of scientists get together and Guess which of dozens of flu strains will be prominent in the fall, and they develop a vaccine that addresses 2 or 3 of those strains, and they are usually wrong.
4. As for the HPV vaccine, it addresses only 2 strains of the 15 or so cancerous strains.
5. As late as the 1960's, 'measles, mumps, chicken pox block parties' were held, where when a neighborhood child came down with the disease, all the neighbors would bring their kids to the infected child's house, so they could all get it at once. No one died at any of the parties i attended, nor did anything devastating happen. If anything, immune systems were strengthened.
6. Many of the law suits brought against big pharma for vaccine injuries are settled out of court, with a gag order placed on the plaintiffs, so their horror stories are never heard.
7. There are religious orders that forbid vaccines, and when is the last time you heard of any catastrophes happening to their groups because they didn't vaccinate?

Kate Kenner (215)
Sunday September 15, 2013, 1:54 pm
I'm sure I won't be popular for saying this but the reason there are disease is because they are natural forms of population control. I know people don't want to get sick or have their families get sick but that is their role.

Jamie C (282)
Sunday September 15, 2013, 1:57 pm
No increased travel to third world countries where they have poor sanitation is causing outbreaks of "dead" diseases. That and the fact that vaccines are reviving dead diseases. The polio vaccine is the #1 cause of polio and it is indistinguishable from the wild polio. It is a fact look it up. The for profit health care system has sucker written on all of our foreheads.

David C (131)
Sunday September 15, 2013, 2:05 pm
noted. thanks.

Bryna Pizzo (139)
Sunday September 15, 2013, 2:39 pm
Thank you for the news. Sadly, Pearson's and her followers suffer from a tragic malady otherwise known as stupidity. (n, p, t)

reft h (66)
Sunday September 15, 2013, 3:05 pm
I had chicken pox as a kid. 2 years ago I had "shingles", apparently related to the chicken pox. I say, if there is a chicken pox vaccine, have it, because shingles isn't any fun.

Carrie B (306)
Sunday September 15, 2013, 3:25 pm
Comparing the dangers of being vaccinated against those of not being vaccinated and I believe being vaccinated is best. Would you refuse chemo or radiation to fight cancer ~ or just shrug and say "I choose to die even though I have a chance of being cured."

Tom Edgar (56)
Sunday September 15, 2013, 4:28 pm
I'm old enough to remember the days when tuberculosis was rampant. One Aunt lost five daughters alone, my own mother was the only child of five sisters who lived past 21 years. Meningitis, and all the multitude of childhood sicknesses meant that in places like Canada and Australia they used to designate their past children as belonging to the first or second families. Visit any old cemetery and you will be amazed at the number of children's tombstones. So you don't want preventative medications,. then... Welcome back Polio, T B< and a host of other debilitating afflictions.

I have had too many vaccinations and inoculations to remember as I spent so many years in Africa and Middle and Far Eastern countries, but then I never contracted Small Pox,the numerous fevers, and other diseases that so often were raging and killing the populations where I visited.

Debra Tate (17)
Sunday September 15, 2013, 5:33 pm
noted thanks

Dori Grasso (0)
Sunday September 15, 2013, 5:39 pm
Robert O., NO vaccines except for some of the flu formulations, and two of the single-shot combination vaccines, contain thimerosal (and not as a preservative, but rather a minute amount in the preparation). Many of the combination vaccines are now given separately, so as to even completely eliminate even the trace amounts. Your information is extremely outdated.

As for your last point, this entire column is about a religious community with a large cluster of an outbreak of measles-- and yes, few children die from it, but even one is too many.

Debra G (0)
Sunday September 15, 2013, 5:42 pm
Wow, Robert O. Are you ever misinformed. 1. Thimerasols are used where multiuser vials must be used (e.g., Africa). Nevertheless, these preservatives have not been proved dangerous. 2. In the 1960s, only a few diseases had vaccines. Thank goodnmess we now have many more (and ask the parents of students who died from meningococcal meningitis how they feel now that we vaccinate against it) 3. Scientists don't just guess which flu strains are coming. They actually analyze data from ongoing world-wide epidemiological surveillance. There is a degree of uncertainty, just like everything in life. 4.HPV vaccination has made headlines about the decrease in incidents of infections. 5. Yeah, I went to those block parties when I was 6 or 7 and never got chicken pox there. But I did get a rip-roaring case on my 13th birthday that had me on the brink of hospitalization. My sister's eyes were affected by her case. 6. The lawsuits are nuisance suits settled in special vaccine courts. The idea is to take it out of the hands of juries so that pharmaceutical companies don't go bankrupt on sympathy judgments and can continue pursuing new vaccines. There have been a few headlines grabbing verdicts but nothing proved. 7. A Texas fundamentalist church just had an outbreak of measles last month. The only change in vaccinations that physicians have embraced from all the hysteria is that the vaccines are being spaced out a bit more - to assuage the anxiety of parents. There is NO autism connection, no governmental conspiracy, no reviving of dead viruses.

DaleLovesOttawa O (198)
Sunday September 15, 2013, 8:57 pm
Oh, well...we can let the anti-vaccination people run rampant, avoid all vaccinations to put their hearts at ease and then when the children get diseases they can throw up their hands and say, "It's God's Will." If their child should die they will then say it is what God intended and they will just have another child who could well infect others, but it is all the Will of God.

How dare science and health concerns interfere with what God 'wants?' To the doubters it's obviously far better for people to suffer even crippling and painful ailments and illnesses because some think that vaccines have dangers.

Surely we should ignore the success that most vaccines have brought when it comes to getting rid of various once rampant diseases as the doubters clearly have everyone's interests at heart. There is nothing to fear except for fear itself and for some, the real and concrete fear is in the needle and the vaccine. This fear is more important than the children or the rest of society. Prepare to move backwards in time and embrace Polio and everything else that had once been the real fear of parents. After all, the vaccine is far worse for all concerned than Polio is. Dust off those antique Iron Lungs and rebuilt the Sanatoriums.

Charlene Rush (79)
Sunday September 15, 2013, 9:53 pm
There are consequences for all of our actions. The problem is, many people choose to blame someone else for their lack of proper parenting.
If too many of the unvaccinated children die, then and only then, might they reverse course.
Don't people comprehend history, or don't they read?

Yes, there are some possible dangers to vaccinations, but you must consider the alternative. Do you have the right to endanger, not only your own children, but, the children of others?

If life could be the way we want it, as opposed to the way it actually is,
wouldn't that be great.......or would it?

Yvonne Taylor (37)
Monday September 16, 2013, 7:14 am
Boy I am sick of so many people making everything in every subject so "black and white". I don't know anything about the religious right's objections, but they did not start the questioning of vaccinations. There are vaccinations that the public has been given for decades for childhood diseases that have been an extreme help. The problem today is varied and many. Did you know that even these vaccines that we all get as a child, there are different batches, ie some are more generic than others and usually end up in free or county clinics? Another thing, there is a problem when multiple vaccines are given together , like in the Army and sometimes through Dr.s to children, space them out a few weeks. Now to the hard's Big Pharma is not to be trusted and many deaths have occurred from some f their vaccines. You need to read up on each and every vaccine, some really are dangerous, for instance the Flu vaccines and HPV vaccines. I am not going to list studies and facts, too lengthy, but highly suggest you do some research and study on your own, this is possible with a little thing called Google. Just remember to see what site you are on and who they are affiliated with before believing anything, another words THINK and analyze what you read, not just repeat rhetoric like so many do these days :) This subject has nothing to do with the religious right, although it seems they have picked up the subject and are so stupid that they are not vaccinating their children with some of the important vaccines, apparently lumping all vaccines together, this is what I am talking about and both sides of this discussion are guilty.

Lynne Willey (2)
Monday September 16, 2013, 7:35 am
I have a large family, and all of my children and 17 grandchildren have had their shots. I am a military spouse. And all of the great number of kids in that 'family' also got their shots.

I still get updates when needed, the flu shot, and any others recommended by my doctor. I am in my early 60's have lived in other areas of the world, and have yet to meet anyone who had health problems from a vaccine. I also had my children spread out in age and was home room mother and in the PTA. This gave me a lot of opportunity to meet and talk about issues like this with other mothers.

Somebody above listed all kinds of things in an attempt to justify not having shots I suppose. No system is perfect. Maybe the HPV vaccine has limited protections, but that is at least 2 strains that my family members won't have to be overly concerned with.

Maybe doctors do "guess" about which flu strains will go around each year. But for the nearly 35 yrs that my husband has been taking them, he has not had the flu even once (the flu shot is mandatory in the military.....lots of testing there) and I get them as well. I also have not had the flu even once since taking them.

Thomas P (280)
Monday September 16, 2013, 5:51 pm
Thanks for shedding more light on this Carrie. I'm amazed reading some of the comments here, often with the justification for not getting vaccinated being that "nobody died." Apparently, the 250,000 to 500,000 people that die of influenza every year slipped some of these people's minds. Robert O...I'm curious. When someone you know of gets a cold, do all of you in your neighborhood congregate at that person's home in an effort to become immune to it? I bet it hasn't worked yet, has it? And if a bunch of parents today intended to bring their children to the home of someone who was infected with an infectious disease like the measles, mumps, or chicken pox, like they used to "as late as the 1960's" (as if that were yesterday), their children might be better served if those parents were first given a mental evaluation before they subjected their children to the potentially horrific side effects, not to mention the pain and suffering, of those diseases, all of which are highly preventable. And those 2 strains that the HPV protects against...why wouldn't we want to vaccinate people (boys, girls, and adults also, as studies show it is beneficial for adults to be vaccinated as well) if it would further prevent HPV from becoming more prevalent? I think Carrie and many others here have also done some research. Perhaps yours should come more from sources other than Michelle Bachmann anecdotes or from those who somehow view being vaccinated as a lack of faith in God, as opposed to a reliance on the evidence from medical science that many of us believe He gave us the ability to learn from.

Suzanne L (99)
Monday September 16, 2013, 10:35 pm
For the naysayers, do your research well, don't rest all your opinions on one website. The truth is that in North America and most European countries there are NO, and I mean NO vaccines administered to children that contain mercury. This has been the case for many, many years. Initially when researchers were developing vaccines in the early 1900's they found that bacteria could grow in the vaccine, so they added a miniscule amount of mercury as an anti-bacterial. A minute amount of thymerisol replaced mercury for the same purpose. Also, because some people were allergic to vaccines grown on egg embryos this has stopped and vaccines are now grown on caterpiller cells with no know allergic reactions.
As for the flue vaccines, it is somewhat of a best guess as to which strains will erupt, however, it is not correct to say that researchers are "usually wrong".
Gardisil, the HPV vaccine used in Canada, provides protection in girls from HPV types 6, 11, 16, and 28. In anatomical terms this translates to protection of the cervix, the vulva, the vagina and the anus. In boys Gardisil offers protection against anal cancer, genital warts and abnormal anal legions. We're talking about serious protection against serious diseases - CANCER. What child-centred parent would not want to take whatever precaution they could for their kids lives?
While most children do not succumb to measles, mumps, or chicken pox, a small percentage of children develop severe complications from these diseases, usually pneumonia. Whooping cough is also very serious in young children and can morph into pneumpia. In adults these diseases are much more serious. Mumps in adult men can render them sterile. Chicken pox in adults can kill if not identified and treated aggressive and quickly..
I don't know of any religious orders that forbid vaccines. The Motherhouse of the St. Vincent de Paul nuns located in my city provides the best health care to their population, including vaccination.
If you read legitimate studies a higher incidence of Type 1 diabetes occurs in the children of women who have developed Type 2 diabetes from poor diet. The telomeres (the ends of chromosomes that protect them from degradation) are compromised and this genetic degradation is strongly linked to a susceptibility to Type 1 diabetes in the children of those women.
I agree that we each own our own bodies to the extent that we have a choice in matters that affect only our own bodies and will not cause harm to others. If someone decides to terminate a preganancy, drink raw milk, or things of this nature, widespread disease will not ensue. However, I do have a problem with parents who deny their children a blood transfusion when necessary to save their life, or a parent who would refuse other life-saying treatment to a child. That is not child-centred parenting, it is parenting that prefers to place some kind of belief ahead of life. I also have a problem with people who have no concern for their communities in helping to prevent widespread outbreaks of disease.

Tom Edgar (56)
Monday September 16, 2013, 10:53 pm
Over the early years of my existence I travelled a lot between Iran and the Far and Near East, on occasions I had the same vaccinations within a week of each other, especially when the areas into which we sailed was in the process of an epidemic of smallpox and other nasties. "I've just had one." was no excuse. At times I felt more like a pin cushion but I never caught those diseases. Remembering back, those syringes were not disposables either, and the vaccination scratches were made with the same blade, albeit after a quick wash through some repeatedly used disinfectant. So I am a little sceptical regarding close proximity of any of these procedures to each other as being dangerous.

Tom Edgar (56)
Tuesday September 17, 2013, 1:32 am
Jamie Clemons. It is misguided people who claim the ANTI polio vaccine causes Poliomyelitis, in the thirties and forties Polio was rampant worldwide, and the vaccines had not even been discovered. Australia led the world and eliminated this, and tuberculosis, long before the U S A. A massive hospital in Brisbane was erected just for T B sufferers alone. Now just one ward is in intermittent use for immigrants who arrive with the disease, the rest of the hospital is now mainly used for open heart surgery.

Sara V (0)
Wednesday September 18, 2013, 2:28 pm
The point is that IT IS A CHOICE. It doesn't matter if you or someone else has had good or bad luck with vaccinations. Do whatever you want. This is supposed to be a free country in which no one (and no majority) can decide what you put into your body. Imagine a society in which we were all forced to be injected with whatever a majority thought was good for us. It's like a horror film!

In a republic (like this one) the rights of everyone are protected (even the minority). Representatives are elected democratically, laws are not made that way - they are to be weighed against the constitution. We are to be secure in our persons. If something is a bad idea, it will die out. The only time they don't is when they are mandated.

DORIS L (61)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 2:41 pm
Hey Religious Right: God gave you a brain. Try using it.
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