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We Have a Dumb Religion Problem -- Not a Political Problem

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To get what's happening to the GOP and, to America, you need to understand the theology of the extremist frankly stupid and misinformed evangelical heartland. We don't have a political problem. We have an evangelical stupidity problem.

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Birgit W (160)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 3:11 pm
Without religions we would have less wars. Thanks.

Jeanne Young (19)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 3:24 pm
Like all simplistic "explanations" of complex social /political/religious behaviors, this one makes me queasy - - -

Beyond THAT - What keeps coming to me is "What part of freedom of religion don't we understand? And what part of separation of church and state' (yeah -No caps used deliberately)

Pograms, jihads, and_____ ?? Coercion by any other name would smell as foul - to paraphrase a writer far superior to me -

Elizabeth M (65)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 3:59 pm
Noted with thanks for sharing. Some this could be true, but in my opinion is all about big egos.
Thank You Carrie.

DORIS L (61)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 4:15 pm
Religion is dangerous.

Carrie B (306)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 4:31 pm
Not all religion is dangerous, but it seems we have been bombarded with the right wing evangelicals who are very dangerous.

Solitary E (324)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 5:04 pm
Most right wing evangelicals are convinced that they are right because they are evangelical christians. If you are not, then your argument is invalid. Period. They will not listen or change. And I know a lot of these people. The word christian is intentionally not capitalized.

Barbara K (60)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 5:48 pm
We have a Separation of church and state for a reason. They just don't mix. Get the Religion OUR of our government, and it will function properly again, and that includes those who are trying to make religion a part of the laws and our government. It only degrades both.

Laurie H (817)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 5:52 pm
Thank you so much for sharing this Carrie!!!!~~~

Jason S (50)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 6:59 pm
That why I don't religions and god should personal, Good posting, thanks

Edwin M (346)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 7:17 pm
For some religion brings comfort and hope but for the most part it creates divisiveness and has become nothing more than a political arm used to steer people in a certain direction. I can only imagine how the extremist whack jobs would treat Jesus is he were alive today and he most certainly would be rejected by the republican party and labeled as a liberal instigator. Thanks Carrie.

Marie W (67)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 8:19 pm
Most Americans have no knowledge of their own religions history nor of other religions. Pathetic.

Glenn B (197)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 8:33 pm
Could Richard Dawkins be right? Is religion not only useless but a menace as well?

Edith B (146)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 8:52 pm
Thanks Carrie, I noted this one and emailed it to friends who are not on C2. This article spoke truly to me. I was taught that true science and true religion go hand in hand, and I still believe that. Not all who are religious are nuts, but some evangelicals fit that description. I live in the Bible belt, and encounter many who would faint if I said something in the bible was an allegory.

Katie & Bill D (107)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 8:53 pm
There are two different doors they enter, one is for the religion and one for the politics. They do seem to get mixed up and preach like they are Dr's of the women, calling the shots for them.
How bad do you think these religious women get treated? Not good I am sure regardless what they preach.
They think it's one Big door! What a Free for all thru this door???
Thank You Carrie

Susanne R (235)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 11:05 pm
To me, religion is a very personal thing. My relationship with my Lord is between Him and me. I don't like or trust the blustering, big-mouthed and judgmental Evangelicals who decide what's right and what's wrong, who's good and who's bad, what the writers of the bible meant when they wrote words that could be interpreted in many ways, and the way they always diminish the role of women and people who aren't Evangelicals.

And isn't it ironic that they equate "monetary contributions" to "love of God"? The televangelists of old were little more than a joke, yet that doesn't keep new ones from taking their place. The successful ones build empires --until they fall from grace. So why do people fall for this nonsense? Why do they vote for politicians who bow to the wishes of these people?

Never trust pompous, loud-mouthed buffoons who accuse you of sinning when you're living your life based on what you feel in your heart. That's where God dwells --no matter how you describe him. No one owns my heart but me.

Gloria p (304)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 12:59 am
Jimmy Carter switches churches years ago because of fundamentalism. He's calls them fundies. He goes to the Methodist church now. I have always found Methodists quite nice. I don't know if Jimmy still teaches Sunday school but he taught Sunday school for years. Being taught Sunday school by Jimmy Carter is on my bucket list.

Past Member (0)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 1:39 am
Politics and Religion are flint to the others steel they do not mix.I have had many discussions with friends of mine who are ministers of various denominations and I have yet to meet one who listens to the other persons view I've even had to intervene in a shouting match between two of them each believing that only their view was the correct one.In this it was always the fundamentalist's who shouted the loudest and the ones who constantly interrupted other speakers and sometimes using down right insulting unchristian language.I learned from this experience that it was a waste of time even talking to them and I stopped attending anymore discussions. These people who I won't call Christian came over as a bunch of self opinionated loudmouth bullies who were full of their own self appointed importance.

Past Member (0)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 3:36 am

Alexandra Rodda (180)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 3:43 am
If the majority of Americans are liberal thinkers and the judiciary and politicians are religiose fruitcakes, then there must be something underhand that is promoting these odd-balls to these powerful positions. That could only be the libertarians (not themselves religious) fossil fuel billionaires.

Alexandra Rodda (180)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 4:22 am
It's a very powerful article. I guess one will need to look at using some of the expertise of the people who specialize in getting people out of cults. I don't know much about that, but will be looking it up.

Thomas M (8)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 6:39 am
The American Evangelist Imams spew hatred toward non-believers and those of all other religions. This religious movement is the single largest threat to our society, republic and democracy. Our democracy is in trouble because of these people. They have infiltrated our military, Congress, state governments and local governments. It is called dominionism. They are organized and if we do not counter their effort we will be just like Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, etc., where religion permeates everything. These people do not know what the Constitution is.

. (0)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 7:28 am
All the problems of the world could be solved if there were no religion. Thanks for sharing, Carrie.

Maggie Kearns (7)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 8:10 am
Thanks Carrie!

Stephen Brian (23)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 8:11 am
Just a couple of problems:

The numbers point entirely the other way. Biblical literalists are a smaller proportion of the U.S. population now than they were historically. Their birthrates are higher, but they lost the popular vote a long time ago to secularization even among their own numbers. The narrative just doesn't add up.

Here's a similar, outright parallel, narrative. Tell me if you can honestly call this one less likely, and why:

The Democrat Party has been taken over by people who consider liberalism to be an ethical matter: If you are openly not liberal, disagree with things like affirmative action, believe modern welfare is morally damaging and does more harm than good, think sex is the ultimate act of commitment and oppose premarital sex as an act of irresponsibility and abortion as the ultimate abandonment of commitment, etc. then the modern liberal belief is that there must be something morally wrong with you. By the commonly successful strategy of "outbidding", wherein support is gathered because people are more likely to follow the leaders who fight harder for their goals, even unreasonably hard, this faction grew to dominate liberal politics. Rather than just a philosophical question of whether society's troubles arise from formal social institutions or from ingrained cultures, Western politics has been painted by liberals as a moral fight, an atheistic "holy war".

Incomplete academia became delusional politics. The fact is that no theory, particularly in economics and the social sciences where theories are built around special cases and assumptions that are known not to hold under most circumstances, is complete. They are mostly even wrong: I went to a lecture recently (at McGill University's "Is That a Fact" symposium on epistemology and education) by a Dr. Ioannidis who studies who studies peer-reviewed publications, and his collaboration found that academic work published in peer-reviewed journals holds up to independent verification only about 10% of the time. This is generally not communicated to the general public. Liberals often now take claims presented by academics to be the "gospel" of their "holy war" while even the theories that are correct may not apply under modern conditions because the simplifying assumptions made in the social sciences, that the impacts of difficult-and-politically-incorrect-to-study culture are small, align perfectly with those of liberalism. When pundits wonder why a segment of the population seems hard to convince of basic economic or environmental facts, what they miss is that people have been forced to choose between the truth as presented to them by their daily lives and what comes out of the ivory towers of academia.

I'm not saying that this is the whole story, but I think this parallel narrative is a part of what is going on. One thing we can do about it is recognize that the core of the political division in Western civilization is an intelligent and open question, not some moral difference or form of insanity on one side or the other. We can recognize that it's not a fight between good and evil, so while there is nothing wrong with a commitment to morality, extremism in either direction is wrong.

Lona G (80)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 8:53 am
Frank Schaeffer's explanation of how the Tea Party was able to dominate the GOP with the shutdown as a result, seems very fair up to a point. The shutdown is indeed mainly a dumb religious problem because the evangelicals' outlook on the world preludes any scientific truth and is mainly based on the fact that those who are not with us, are against us.

But Schaeffer shies away from explaining why this shutdown wasn't so much against Democratic policies as against Obama on a much more personal level. This time they used the ACA as an excuse, but it could have been anything that could be attributed to him; the shutdown had been in the planning for months irrespective of a cause. Schaeffer comes close to the real reason ("One party is not dominated by leaders ready to destroy the good name, faith and credit of our country out of theological spite, nor spurred on by false claims that our president isn't a real American or a Christian.") but fails to say it out loud: racism.

Part of the evangelicals religious views is unabashed racism, which undoubtedly is fuelled by taking the bible 'literally' and the "special information [] visible only to the faithful". If Obama had been a white Democratic president, the shutdown would not have happened. The fact that he is an African-American elicits a hatred that overrides all facts as being born on Hawaii and being a Christian.
Yes, dumb, racist religion is definitely a problem.

Lona G (80)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 8:57 am
Sorry first paragraph: "preludes" should be "precludes".

Past Member (0)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 10:51 am
Let me get this straight. Islamic Fundamentalist states in the Middle East are BAD, but a Christian Fundamentalist state in America would be GOOD. Did I hear that correctly?

Roger G (154)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 12:34 pm
noted, thanks

Joanne Dixon (38)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 12:37 pm
Unfortunately, Henry, your hearing is right on. That is the "dumb" in "dumb religion." I guess to "false equivalency" we now need to add the logic error of "false non-equivalency."

Bryna Pizzo (139)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 12:41 pm
Thank you for the post, but I have to state that the poor little Republicans weren't taken over by extremists. They created the Tea Party to align themselves with the segment of the country that thinks in that manner. The Catholic church supports much of the platform. They made their bed, and frankly, I hope it's filled with bed bugs that eat them alive.

Past Member (0)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 12:49 pm
Joanne: Whatever you said, RIGHT ON!

James Maynard (84)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 12:51 pm
We simply must get the religious
fundamentalists out of our State
Houses and the Congress.

Carrie B (306)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 12:55 pm
Some excellent comments here and all are appreciated. Henry Hudson ~ you said exactly what I have thought for a very long time. Susanne R. ~ I have to agree with you statement "My relationship with my Lord is between Him and me." My feelings exactly, and I resent those who try to tell me what I should feel, believe, and think.

In my opinion ~ many use religion as a moral justification for thoughts and actions they know to be wrong, or at the very least questionable. It's a security blanket covering them on their path to heaven. As long as that blanket is pulled up over their eyes they are sure to enter the heaven of their dreams. They need to be told and reassured that all of their hatred, bigotry, intolerance, and dishonesty is really what the Lord wants from them. No rational person could possibly believe that these hateful feelings and actions even remotely resemble what was taught to all Christians in "The Sermon On The Mount", ~ but as long as there is a preacher telling them that they are right and everyone else is wrong, ~ then God must certainly be on their side.

Conclusion ~ vote for those who stand with them and their very non-Christian views, ~ but tell all who will listen that this is what God wants.

Sheila D (194)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 2:19 pm
What's really sad is that millions believe the claptrap spouted...but the ones at the very top of the heap know better. They're educated, power hungry, and it's doubtful they believe their own crap. Then you have the Bishop Sheens and Billy Grahams of the world and therein lies the problem - they believe every word they spout and that's why people follow them.

Add to this mix corporate money to urge the Evangelicals on and our Democracy has been compromised - the corporations can take over quietly, while the rest of us are busy trying to get rid of the TP and Extremists.

If you take a look at the Democratic party, it's not as liberal as it used to be. It's changed, evolved into a more conservative liberal...many are now pro-birth, want to drop the budget deficit by having everyone tighten their belts just a little...except the Big Baddies. Thes conservative Democrats believe that the corporations need these subsidies in order to bring new products to the market, to do proper testing, etc...

My MN Rep Colin Peterson is one of these and I bet if you look deeer at your senators and reps you'll find the same. Democrats are no longer Liberal...And we no longer have a Democracy. A Corpocracy.

Sheila D (194)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 2:22 pm
Sorry...last paragraph should be, "...if you look deeper at your senators and reps..."

Judy Davey (14)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 2:49 pm
Love the title, it's so true. And very sad & scary.

Mitchell D (87)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 2:50 pm
Glenn B,. Laura S., and Lona G., Henry H., and Bryna are all spot on.
Thank you Carrie, this may be one of the most educational and valuable posts around.
I have said, many times, Henry, that the fools who want a Theocracy here, have no idea how dangerous that could be, that if they, or anyone, wants to see a Theocracy in action, just look at Iran!
And they are totally delusional! But, will kill to "Prove" their point of view.
We have St. Reagan, to thank for the Billy Graham presence, followed by Gerry Falwell, pat Roberson, etc in politics. He brought them into the White House as no one previously had, along with his equally delusional astrologer.
Does C2 still have an astrology section? I never understood such a thing's presence here.
Yes, Bryna, The Republicans sought out the Tea Party freaks, and I hope your hope is borne out.
Dawkins is totally on target


Mitchell D (87)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 3:03 pm
Marie W., it may not matter what one's religious history is, in the long run, as long as people are willing to fight to the last person because they "KNOW" that their view is the only right one.
In Jared Diamond's book, The World Until Yesterday, What can We Learn From Traditional Societies," he says that our ancient search for the causes of danger may have contributed to religion's origins.
That sounds like all I need to know, as it dovetails with the apparent seductiveness of magical thinking that feeds the delusions of religion.
On a posting about the curative benefits of meditation, earlier today, i responded to Andrew (?), who wrote that the benefits of meditation come from God's having responded to one's thoughts. As best as I can recall I commented that, any benefits come from one's having produced Alpha waves in the brain, and that i doubted, that with all the horrors going on around us, unabated, -had not yet heard of the bestiality site- "Yeah," that's what some magical deity is focusing on, because it is sooo important,your, my, or someone else's thoughts.

Lois Jordan (63)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 3:34 pm
Noted. Thanks, Carrie.
Thomas M. (above) commented about dominionism. Well, that hits the nail right on the head---that is exactly what they are: dominionists. They believe specific things have to happen for "Armageddon" (as stated in their bible version), to occur. An article I recently read explains that all the Jews must return to Israel for this to happen....and they're trying to make that happen. These lunatics WANT the world to end. Dubya is going to be the speaker at their annual event in TX where last year the speaker was....Glenn Beck.(!) So, it seems that Dubya was, in fact, pushing America toward an "end of world" scenario when he began 2 wars. I've seen this info on various websites the past couple days.

Ray M (0)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 4:26 pm
Holy shit. About time someone spoke the truth about these fanatics.

Elle B (84)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 4:39 pm
"I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?" ―Barry Goldwater, Conservative icon

"There is nothing so despicable as a secret society that is based upon religious prejudice and that will attempt to defeat a man because of his religious beliefs. Such a society is like a cockroach -- it thrives in the dark. So do those who combine for such an end." ―William Howard Taft, Fmr. US Pres.

"The most heinous and the most cruel crimes of which history has record have been committed under the cover of religion or equally noble motives” ―Mohandas K. Gandhi

"Some Christians use the Bible much as a drunk does a lamppost -- more for support than for illumination." ―Rev. William Sloane Coffin

“The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism.” ― William Osler


Hartson Doak (39)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 5:46 pm
Religion without science is superstition.

Ken O (55)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 7:33 pm
WTF? It's the 21st century, nobody believes in Santa Klaus, they don't believe in the Tooth Fairy, there is no Easter Bunny (in point of fact there really is no Christmas nor any such thing as Easter, both were manufactured for the "little people" to make the transition from the earlier religions Solstice celebrations to the "new" religion easier and more palatable), there are no Goblins, Vampires or "Gods". But the concept of "My God is better than your God" somehow still persists along with "My religion is better than your religion, more lovely, more merciful and more forgiving and if you don't believe us we'll kill you and your extended family." It's time to change things.

Madhu Pillai (22)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 9:47 pm
Extremism kills compassion. Belief in a god who needs constant placating, does not instil compassion and altruism in people.

Colleen L (3)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 10:04 pm
Good article and comments. Thanks Carrie

Mari 's (1356)
Monday November 11, 2013, 12:37 am
Yes we do and ty very much for this Carrie :) Radicals are bringing this country down.

Franshisca Dearmas (89)
Monday November 11, 2013, 9:31 am
TY so much for sharing this Carrie.

Linda F (10)
Monday November 11, 2013, 10:25 am
Religion and State should be separate...uh hum..I believe that is written somewhere? But everyone has to blame something and/or someone when it is not in agreement with their beliefs. Just as you are free to speak your opinion, so is every US citizen. You are free to have your own faith, etc.Just because the Republican platform coincides with many Christians, including evangelicals doesn't make them wrong. That is being judgmental. Leaving Religion out of it, I blame it on the government for not making it about US,.. the people it is going to affect. Why aren't we included in this voting process...about our lives. If anyone is taking control..look to them. It is hard to be objective, I know. But, if someone doesn't know their religious heritage, that is their problem. But, the politicians should know political and religious heritage...Perhaps many have forgotten that this country was based on faith and almost 150 years ago on 11/19/13 Lincoln reminded the people that it is all for us. This I think is where the true problem lies. I voted Democrat and I was raised Protestant in the Bible belt. So lets try to put some of this anger and discouragement back to the people it belongs to...the Politicians we voted to protect us.

Lindsay K (6)
Monday November 11, 2013, 10:34 am
Birgit - religion isn't necessarily the problem or the cause of wars; it is people's misinterpreting the texts to suit their own ends.

ewoud k (68)
Monday November 11, 2013, 1:49 pm
Whenever religion and politics meet things get out of hand.

Politics should be non-religious.

Thanks for posting Carrie!

Twyla Sparks (208)
Monday November 11, 2013, 7:55 pm

pam w (139)
Monday November 11, 2013, 9:47 pm
Dawkins was right...."Religion ruins everything!"

I'm very pleased to live in a time when so many of us atheists are ''coming out'' and joining together to fight the spread of hypocritical, fundamental religions.

Unfortunately, I think this spread of religion into politics is a direct result of the pressures of too many people, too little education and superstitious beliefs. Religion is just another ''tribe'' and for FAR too long, it's been sacrosanct....nobody would DARE criticize it!

Not any longer!

. (0)
Tuesday November 12, 2013, 1:14 am
Fascinating article and interesting comments - thank you Carrie

Charlene Rush (79)
Tuesday November 12, 2013, 8:38 pm
Actually, we have a 'money-grabbing' climate, which uses religion to acquire POWER & CONTROL, over our nation.

You must give credit, where credit is due.
The upper class has been quite successful in finagling the MIDDLE class to blame the LOWER class for our financial problems, when it is Big Business that could fix most, if not all, of our financial problems by paying their _fair_ share, which they do not currently do.
With all the loopholes in the tax code, which they concocted for themselves, MOST DON'T EVEN PAY AS HIGH AS PERCENTAGE AS THE AVERAGE PERSON.

Mitt Romney said he paid 8% taxes on the one tax return that he submitted.

How many of you, out there, pay only 8%?

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday November 12, 2013, 8:47 pm
Unfortunately the right wing uses religion to promote their personal agenda. It has nothing to do with real faith, ~ but rather a means to a political end.

Sheryl G (360)
Wednesday November 13, 2013, 5:03 pm
In the article it read: But for all its popularity fundamentalism was no longer intellectually respectable.

It still isn't.

Kit B (276)
Thursday November 14, 2013, 11:32 am

The problem as I see it is those who actually believe god is talking to them. Now imagine if you actually believed this, could you, would you be able to compromise? This is the age old problem of mixing religion and politics. There are few politicians not willing to snuggle up if it means votes. This goes far beyond being a Christian, this a form of fascism, those who demand their way is the only way. They are only too willing to force those beliefs on the rest of us.

I am sure everyone is aware of what our past president is doing. What hubris to attempt to convert those of one religion to your own beliefs in the hope to bring about the 'end times'. This is not a rare thing, this has become the norm for far too many in the right wing.

"It ain't those parts of the bible that I can't understand that bothers me, it's the parts that I do understand."
--- Mark Twain

John Holton (344)
Thursday November 14, 2013, 11:58 am
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. (0)
Thursday November 14, 2013, 12:09 pm
Religion is not the problem. Problems occur when it's carried to extremes. TY Carrie

Barbara T (431)
Thursday November 14, 2013, 12:34 pm
Pam W. obliquely mentions an IMPORTANT POINT the article makes - and that is, that most of the Media has been AFRAID TO CRITICIZE the Fundamentalist Religious STUPIDITY, acting as if this is "just another Religion" that deserves some sort of RESPECT.
[There ARE religious Faiths and Spiritualities that provide comfort and social solidarity to people, families and communities. You don't have to be COMPLETELY NUTS to find comfort and friendship in going to a church or admitting Spirituality into your life! The Fundies, of course, have given ALL religion a bad name...]

The article points out, that among others, the leadership and members of MORE LIBERAL AND SENSIBLE FAITHS, have been scared to speak out. There is like this vast silence....
As Pam says, "FAR too long, it's been sacrosanct....nobody would DARE criticize it!
Not any longer!"
Altho Pam is referring actually to ALL religion, that applies to the subject of this article very definitely!

sylvie C (46)
Thursday November 14, 2013, 1:03 pm
Thank you for sharing

Jim Phillips (3257)
Thursday November 14, 2013, 1:53 pm
All religions are flawed as are men (women too).

No disrespect. Equality, you know. lol.

ty, Carrie.

SuSanne P (193)
Thursday November 14, 2013, 3:24 pm
Forgive me for only now getting to this thread Carrie and I thank you dearly. It was brilliant IMP and what I took out of the article to post has already been shared by Dandelion. "In the article it read: But for all its popularity fundamentalism was no longer intellectually respectable." She clarified herself while writing, "It still isn't." What I will add is this..."Expect more self-inflicted chaos".

Dmitry Nikiforov (222)
Friday November 15, 2013, 1:16 am
thank you

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Friday November 15, 2013, 3:46 am
Separation between religions and politics is the best way to cure the world . Unfortunately almost every where in the world we see those who just cover their evil deeds and failure under religion umbrella trying to fool people by pretending they are doing and acting in the name of God. That is unacceptable. Only people can put an end to this. Whether in North America,south America,Europe,Asia,Australia or Africa many people are lead like sheep committing all sorts of crimes against humanity setting fires and wars in the name of religion. I thought this only happens in countries where poverty and ignorance are wide spread but apparently it is everywhere. When you mix politics and religiosn you van't tell who is honest and who is cheating.

Devon Leonar (54)
Friday November 15, 2013, 11:46 am
yep, extremism in ALL it's form IS dangerous..... Thanks Carrie for posting.

SusanAWAY Allen (219)
Saturday November 16, 2013, 10:29 pm
There were some absolutely wonderful comments on this thread. Most of everything I would say has already been said, most specifically by Thomas M., Lona G., Bryna P., GGmaSheila D., Mitchell D., Lois J., Ken O., Pam W. and Charlene R. to name most :)

I really do lay most of this at the feet of Ronald Reagan who jumped into bed with extreme fundamentalist and evangelical Jerry Falwell and his "Moral Majority." They grabbed onto the one issue that they knew would really congeal the movement and that issue was and still is abortion.

So with that being said, I have an article I'd like to share. Hopefully, some of you will see it. I happen to think it's right on point. The article is from the Freedom From Religion Foundation, Freethought Today, by Kristen Webster, entitled ‘Zombies’ and Religious Fanatics.

Shelly Peterson (213)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 12:31 am
This is just my opinion...and many will not like it,..but as an American, in 2013, I still can share and express my opinion, according to our Constitution....BLAME THE KOCH BROTHERS, THAT OWN AND CREATED THE TEAPARTY!!!...that own the American republican Politicions., 2013...whose granddaddy founded the John Birtch Society, funded the KluKluxKlan here in the USA..major ties to old Hitler and modern day Neo-Nazis, 20131..even funded Sarah Palin, got America, "off-point" and created the "tea-party", instead of calling it neo-naziism........CHECKOUT THE HISTORY FOR YOURSELVES!!!.......VOTE THEM OUT!! SAY NO TO THE KOCH BROTHER'S AND THEIR pysdo-modern- naziism!~!

Gina Caracci (219)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 8:12 pm
Religion is the root of most evil.
I believe in God, but he is all love.
Seems those who claim to be Christian for example are the most hypocritical and have no empathy for those who arent doing as well as they are for whatever reason. Not sure how that can be, but I see it all the time.

Green stars all around again!

Past Member (0)
Thursday November 21, 2013, 2:49 am
Religious people were also the ancient Egyptians or Greeks or whoever. But there was not even one war in the name of any god or any religion.
Only after christianity arrived we start to have religious wars.
Monotheism established in wrong basis, and it's our duty to fix that. "One" yes, but it has nothing to do with human greed...

Janice G (55)
Saturday November 23, 2013, 4:25 am
Most religious views are adopted in childhood depending on where in the World you live and your parent's faith. Nobody can be dogmatic about any religion as it is after all a belief not a certainty & based upon personal experiences, culture etc. We won't find out the truth until we die (if at all) so people should be free to believe what they like PROVIDING it doesn't harm no living thing
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