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Black People Were Not Allowed to Eat Vanilla Ice Cream in the Jim Crow South--Except on Independence Day


Society & Culture  (tags: Americans, racism, society, culture, children, freedoms, ethics, rights, sadness, family )

Carrie
- 53 days ago - alternet.org
By custom rather than by law, black folks were best off if they weren't caught eating vanilla ice cream in public in the Jim Crow South, except - the narrative always stipulates - on the Fourth of July.



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Birgit W. (144)
Friday July 4, 2014, 1:15 pm
Are you kidding me? This is (was) really sad.
 

Terry H. (2)
Friday July 4, 2014, 1:21 pm
Wow. All I can say really...
 

BarbCat SunshineLady (1642)
Friday July 4, 2014, 3:16 pm
Absurd stupidity!!
 

daryl bishop (297)
Friday July 4, 2014, 3:16 pm
now that is something i never heard before. and i am glad. what a shame.
 

Mary T. (291)
Friday July 4, 2014, 4:09 pm
crazy...happy my dad's family left Georgia for New Jersey in the late 1920s.
 

AniMae Chi (400)
Friday July 4, 2014, 4:55 pm
Ignorance is sad.
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (273)
Friday July 4, 2014, 5:06 pm
Were they allowed to eat white bread
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (273)
Friday July 4, 2014, 5:07 pm
PS OUTRAGEOUS
 

Natasha Salgado (519)
Friday July 4, 2014, 7:42 pm
Okay this i've never heard of before---it's so absurd that it's just simply tough to believe...incredible. Thx Carrie
 

Giana Peranio-Paz (379)
Saturday July 5, 2014, 3:41 am
This is so hard to believe, how ignorant and disgusting could those rednecks KKK's be????
 

Maria Teresa Schollhorn (42)
Saturday July 5, 2014, 4:41 am
This is soooo stupid!
 

Lona Goudswaard (68)
Saturday July 5, 2014, 5:48 am
Black people weren't served vanilla ice cream in the fifties except on the 4th of July, Besides the 'standard' racism, 'allowing' (that word in itself is so wrong) them to eat it on Independence Day added a large dose of hypocrisy on top of that cone. Things may have gotten better over the years, but the hypocrisy seems to linger.
 

Lindsay Kemp (1)
Saturday July 5, 2014, 9:04 am
Absolutely outrageous! Thank goodness we have moved on!
 

Micheael Kirkbym (85)
Saturday July 5, 2014, 9:42 am
Noted. There were a lot of people in the southland who didn't agree with slavery or Jim Crowe. In fact there were many free blacks in the upper southland who owned acreage and farms that were worked by slaves. That's not to decry the injustices and improprieties done. Wealth was seen among many Christians as being a sign of god's blessing and slavery was justified by the Ham quote in Genesis.Vanilla ice cream was the least of the problems.
Stupidity, ignorance, myopia and violence are endemic to all colors and races just as the attributes of intelligence, creativity, compassion and community are. There's only one race and we all bleed red folks. It's time to work together. Religious and political ideologies are two of the things detaining us from becoming what our species is capable of.
 

GGmaSheila D. (163)
Saturday July 5, 2014, 10:44 am
The ice cream may have changed, but changing people's beliefs and prejudices seems to be taking forever...we don't have forever.
 

Esther S. (45)
Saturday July 5, 2014, 1:14 pm
Incredible! Oh and GGmaSheila I have seen a change in a lot of people. I live in southern Indiana which is very, very close to Kentucky and my area is naturally integrated. It is a condominium which consists of townhouses connected to each other and there are several blacks that are my neighbors. I see the children that are black and white playing with each other and the black and white adults are also very friendly with each other. The high school is across the street from where I live and it is naturally integrated too.
 

Joanne Dixon (38)
Saturday July 5, 2014, 1:48 pm
Even I am not old enough to remember this, but then I didn't grow up in the South either. I don't have any trouble believing it though. Sociaopathy knows no bounds.
 

GGmaSheila D. (163)
Saturday July 5, 2014, 3:08 pm
Esther, you're really lucky that you live in place like that, but not everyone does. It seems that many of the old prejudices have resurfaced thanks to the KKK and our wonderful prejudiced state an federal governments...and with the current SCOTUS.

People aren't welcoming those of different colors into their neighborhoods, schools, even public bldgs. Hispanics have it especially hard because they're getting hit both by whites and African Americans. There's resentment in my small town that everything has to be in English and in Spanish...you hear some muttering the classic line, "Why don't they learn English?" I hear this often sepending on which stores I go to.

Four yrs ago I went to Xmas services here for the first time in many yrs, as I was feeling a bit down and wondered if maybe I should start going again...another story, for another time...the congregation in this particular church was Entirely white...not an hispanic face in the crowd. Small Town MN USA...
 

Pamela Tracy (2)
Saturday July 5, 2014, 4:13 pm
THIS IS NOT A SLIGHT TO BLACK PEOPLE. I AM OF MOSTLY IRISH AND FRENCH AND SCOTS AND BRITISH ANCESTRY. HOWEVER, WHEN I GET THROUGH READING "WHITE CARGO" A BOOK WRITTEN ABOUT THE FIRST SLAVES, IRISH SLAVES, THEN I WILL MAKE MY LIST ABOUT WHAT MY IRISH ANCESTORS COULD NOT DO IN THIS COUNTRY. FIRST, WE ALL KNOW THAT MY IRISH FAMILY WOMEN WERE DENIGRATED IN EARLY AMERICA....IRISH WERE LIBELED ABOUT THEIR DRINKING, AND IRISH WOMEN WERE THE LOW RUNG ON THE LADDER, BEING WASHER WOMEN, PROSTITUTES...FORCED INTO PROSTITUTION AND MAIDS.....FORCED INTO DOMESTIC SERVICE AND GIVING FAVORS TO THE MASTERS. IN FACT, MY MOTHER NAMED ME PAMELA, AFTER A BOOK SHE READ JUST BEFORE I WAS BORN CALLED "ANOTHER PAMELA" IT WAS ABOUT A YOUNG IRISH WOMAN SOLD INTO BEING A HOUSE MAID, ETC. I MUST TRY TO READ THAT BEFORE I DIE. FORTUNATELY I WAS BORN AMERICAN AND I AM NOT THEIR HOUSE WHATEVER..........IN FACT, I WATCHED A BOOK TV PROGRAM AND THE MAN WAS HISPANIC AND FOR THE FIRST TIME I HAD EVER HEARD THE COMMENT...HE TOLD THE AUDIENCE THAT THE IRISH IN AMERICA WERE CALLED BLACK IRISH BECAUSE MANY IRISH HAD COME OVER ON SLAVE SHIPS IF THEY REACHED AMERICA AT ALL AS MANY NEVER ARRIVED IN AMERICA AT ALL HAVING BEEN THROWN INTO THE OCEANS BY THE SLAVERS SO THEY COLLECTED OUR IRISH MONEY AND KILLED US AND/OR SOLD US ALONG THE WAY TO MAKE ROOM ON THEIR SHIPS FOR BLACK SLAVES WHO BROUGHT MORE MONEY ON ARRIVING IN AMERICA. I SUGGEST ANYONE WHO WANT TO READ A CONTROVERSIAL BOOK READ THE FIRST FEW CHAPTERS OF "WHITE CARGO" IT IS FREE TO READ ON GOOGLE AND SEE THE COMMENT OF A BLACK AMERICAN HOW THERE CAN BE NO DENYING THAT IRISH WERE MOST OF THE FIRST SLAVES. NOT THE BLACK RACE. SO, BLACKS CAN BE HAPPY THAT THEY WERE VALUED MORE THAN MY IRISH ANCESTORS........MANY OF US DID NOT MAKE IT EITHER TO END UP FISH FOOD ALSO. AS FAR AS ENGLISH...WE AMERICANS ARE RIDICULED AND LAUGHED AT IF WE TRY TO STUDY FOREIGN LANGUAGES, SO MANY AMERICANS DO NOT HAVE A SECOND LANGUAGE. MANY PLACES IN AMERICA DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH TO OFFER EVEN MINORITY RACES TO LIVE THERE......AND THRIVE...SURVIVE.......SO THAT IS WHY MOST MINORITY RACE PEOPLE ARE IN BIG CITIES. AND, I WAS HARASSED UNFAIRLY BY HISPANIC MEN IN ALBANY, NY SICCED ON ME BY BLACK PEOPLE THAT I HAD NO IDEA WERE RACISTS TOWARDS ME JUST BECAUSE I HAD MADE A BAD CHOICE IN DATING AND WHATEVER A BLACK AFRICAN IN AFRICA WHO FINALLY LET HIS DISLIKE OF WHITE WOMEN SHOW SO I WOULD HAVE NO MORE TO DO WITH HIM, EVER AND WAS BRANDED A RACIST. SO BE IT. I WOULD NOT AND DO NOT PUT UP WITH WHITE MEN EITHER HARASSING ME......I HAVE NO LOVE LOST FOR MY OWN WHITE RACE IN THIS CENTURY. AND, I HAVE NO LOVE LOST FOR MY ANCESTORS COVERING UP THEIR MISTREATMENT AND CRUELTY THAT THEY ENDURED IN COMING TO AMERICA. HAPPY USA...HA.
 

Carrie B. (309)
Saturday July 5, 2014, 6:20 pm
The term "Black Irish" refers to those Irish with black hair, blue or green eyes and fair skin who are said to be descendants of the Moors/Spaniards. Many races are and have been discriminated against in this country. Just depends on the time, place, and particular bigots who are active. Right now we can watch what is happening in California with those protesting against Central American immigrants. There is no limit to the hate in this country and it is being fostered by our very own government in the form of the Tea Party Republicans.
 

jess b (24)
Saturday July 5, 2014, 6:24 pm
Sad, but true, Carrie.
" Just depends on the time, place, and particular bigots who are active. "
 

Fi T. (16)
Sunday July 6, 2014, 4:48 am
Why are they banned to do so in a civilised society claiming the importance of equality?
 

Colleen L. (2)
Sunday July 6, 2014, 11:20 pm
That's crazy. No one should be asked bow down to these types of commands. We are all place on this Earth to be treated equally, no matter of sex, color or whatever. That's the way I have always believe in all of my life, why can't others? Thanks Carrie
 

Jamie Clemons (280)
Monday July 7, 2014, 10:54 am
Sure go ahead and blame it all on the south while you forget the log in your own eye. Go ahead and look at the history of how the north treated blacks up until and including very recently. violence, race riots, whole white neighborhoods moving out of Detroit if one black moved in, cops beating blacks and locking them up for the slightest things, Look up the race riots in Chicago, 8 mile road in Detroit, and Frank Sinatra talking in Gary Indiana. Schools, housing and even jobs were segregated in the north up until very recently. Keep blaming racism exclusively on the south.
 

Panchali Yapa (12)
Monday July 7, 2014, 10:58 am
Thank you
 

Jamie Clemons (280)
Monday July 7, 2014, 11:00 am
"[R]ace prejudice seems stronger in those states that have abolished slavery than in those where it still exists, and nowhere is it more intolerant than in those states where slavery was never known." --Alexis De Tocqueville
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Monday July 7, 2014, 11:07 am
Pamela it is very hard to read your comments in capital letters so mostly I must skip by it, it hurts my eyes, a few words a sentence or two, but anything of length gives me a headache. If you must for whatever reason do so, perhaps if you wrote a few sentences and then gave a break by leaving a blank space. I like to take in everyone's viewpoints but not when I can't read it.

I agree with what Carrie said on the Black Irish, my Maternal Grandfather was what was termed "Black Irish" although they could also have darker eye color as well as my family does, and believe me, our heritage is very much a direct link to Ireland via his lineage. And yes, the Irish were very much abused in this Country, I think is why my Irish Grandfather married my American Indian Grandmother, they both understood what it was like to be on the short end of the stick so to speak.

July 4th was the only time that the American Indian was allowed to dance and get together in large numbers. It was a joyous time for them as they could hold their traditional games, dance, and see others they hadn't seen all year as they were forbidden to do so. It was during these times that ceremonies were performed that was against the law as these ceremonies were done under the cover of all the activity going on. Many natives call it Happy Fireworks Day, as for them they lost their Independence so was not much in that way to celebrate.
 

Marija Mohoric (51)
Monday July 7, 2014, 12:03 pm
thank you
 

Madhu Pillai (22)
Monday July 7, 2014, 3:17 pm
Interesting history, hopefully it will always remain there as history.
 

Charlie Rush (53)
Monday July 7, 2014, 3:18 pm
This is so extraordinarily absurd, I can hardly believe it.
 

Katherine May Williams (0)
Tuesday July 8, 2014, 1:23 am
Noted.
 

Evanola Davis (64)
Tuesday July 8, 2014, 8:42 am
I never knew this...what utter b.s.!!!
 

Angelika Kempter (83)
Tuesday July 8, 2014, 4:15 pm
unbelievebale Things.... speechless....noted,thanks
 
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