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Justice Ginsburg: Ferguson Exposes Lingering Racial Tensions the Supreme Court Has Ignored

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The 81-year-old justice spoke to Marcia Coyle of the National Law Journal about her disappointment in the lack of racial progress in the U.S. and that the Court -- which was "once a leader in the world at rooting out racial injustice" -- struck down key...

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Friday August 22, 2014, 4:16 pm
gee carrie isn't justice ginsburg one of those darn jews.

Past Member (0)
Friday August 22, 2014, 5:44 pm
Gee, Daryl, I don't think Carrie knows that? I've been married to her for almost 30 years and I've never heard her ask about a person's religion. Or sexuality, or ethnicity, or politics. Or, in your case, mental state.

Carrie B (306)
Friday August 22, 2014, 6:13 pm
Keep it up Daryl. Your mean spirited hateful comments just show everyone your bigotry and prejudice.

Kathleen M (211)
Friday August 22, 2014, 7:53 pm
Noted. Thanks for posting, Carrie. Yay Ginsburg! Daryl, my friend, that remark doesn't exhibit your best self. Please chill. Blessings!

Gloria p (304)
Saturday August 23, 2014, 2:24 am
I am happy she spoke up.

Lona G (80)
Saturday August 23, 2014, 4:16 am
Of course Ginsburg is right in her analysis that there is "a lack of racial progress in the U.S."and to make matters worse this SCOTUS struck down key tenets of the Voting Rights Act last year. After all, she should know, because she was there when it happened and couldn't stop it. However, I do not agree with her analysis of why these lingering racial tensions are there. Indirectly she points to segregation in a new form as the culprit: "the way that whites and people of color work and live and get educated “remains divided.”" True, little seems to have changed over the years for the better, but with a Congress whose members are more and more openly racist and bigoted, with a Republican party which is hell bound on destroying the country rather than accept an African-American as the president and the leader of their country and with a SCOTUS which is partisan above all else and does everything, including tampering with the Voting Rights Act, to aid the GOP/TP in its fight for power and against against this president, it isn't so much this segregation that lies at the heart of the racial tensions but the return of racism and bigotry where it matters most: government and legislation. All progress made in the last 50 years will become undone when these are allowed to turn back the clock.

Arielle S (313)
Saturday August 23, 2014, 6:50 am
Justice Ginsburg is not the only one who is disappointed - shouldn't we be more civilized by now? I have lived in a country where color was not noticed - it was lovely. All people were treated the same, all people interacted with patience, compassion, and fairness. Intolerance breeds hate and hate is self-destructive.

. (0)
Saturday August 23, 2014, 9:26 am
well i am sorry for you having to be married so long to someone with so much hate in her heart. especially someone who only posts one sided hate, i gues one person in her family is proud. she doesn't have to ask what religon ginsburg is everyone knows.

Lady Suki (446)
Saturday August 23, 2014, 10:37 am
I love this woman.

Past Member (0)
Saturday August 23, 2014, 10:40 am
Daryl--Look who woke up on the wrong side of the bed. Good morning to you, too! And, yes, I'm just pleased as Punch to be married to Carrie. As to proud, you can add 3 kids, 5 grandkids, and a host of friends of every stripe. Additionally, no, not everyone knows Ginsburg's religion. I didn't. Like Carrie, I don't judge people on their pedigree, only their actions.

Joanne D (38)
Saturday August 23, 2014, 11:48 am
I think it is delightful that Justices Ginsburg's dissent on Hobby Lobby got all over the internet and made her intellectually "hot." And well deserved. Here is a justice who really grasps the meaning of the Constitution, and the actions that are necessary to allow it to flourish. Such people are rare in both sexes. Much about America today disappoints and even shames me, but Ruth Bader Ginsburg makes me proud.

Carrie B (306)
Saturday August 23, 2014, 2:18 pm
Ginsburg is definitely a force to be reckoned with. I admire her free spirit and willingness to tell it like it is! A great woman ~ indeed.

Shirley P (2)
Saturday August 23, 2014, 4:05 pm
The decisions and opinions of many of the Supreme Court members seem very biased and more interested in anything other than making the kinds of decisions America needs desperately. The makeup of them all together as a group, is not going to help lead us to where America needs to go. I'm very disappointed with them lately.

Diane O (194)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 9:52 am
" Here are a couple of facts that every American should be ashamed of: Black Americans are four times more likely to be murdered than the national average. What's more, four out of five black homicide victims are killed with guns.

Our new Violence Policy Center report, "Black Homicide Victimization in the United States," is a grim reminder that our nation's gun violence epidemic places a disproportionate burden on African Americans. While the daily toll of gun homicide is seen in shopping malls, schools, campuses, movie theaters, and homes across America, African Americans still face the greatest risk of being murdered with a gun.

Our report uses unpublished data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Supplementary Homicide Report. The data for this year's report is from 2011, the most recent year for which such information is available.

Our report also ranks the states according to their black homicide victimization rates. This year, Nebraska ranked the highest with a black homicide victimization rate of 34.43 per 100,000, followed by Missouri, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Oklahoma.

Nationwide, the black homicide victimization rate in 2011 was 17.51 per 100,000. The overall national homicide victimization rate was 4.44 per 100,000, and among white Americans, the homicide victimization rate was 2.64 per 100,000.

As Carl Williams of the Saginaw NAACP in Michigan told a local TV station after his state was found to have the third highest black homicide victimization rate in the nation: "I truly believe if this situation existed in a lot of communities outside of the African American community, it would be declared a national emergency."

The homicide crisis in the black community is overwhelmingly a gun violence problem. Nationwide, when the weapon used could be identified, 82 percent of black homicide victims were shot and killed with guns. Among the victims killed with guns, 77 percent were killed with handguns.

Of course, these are not simply numbers. These are real lives being destroyed, families devastated, entire communities torn apart.

On the same morning we released our report, Ben Gray, an Omaha city councilman, attended the funeral for his grand-niece who was killed by a stray bullet while eating breakfast in her home. The child was five years old.

Gray told the Omaha World-Herald that he is "less interested in the statistics than in what the city, collectively, is going to do about it."

Below are the 10 states with the highest black homicide victimization rates in 2011: (left wing website)

Diane O (194)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 9:58 am
We all know that a good upbringing focused on higher education and the positive influence in a home by two parents or one focused parent is the building block for success. In order to change the mindset of those engaged in black on black crime/murder, it would appear that you first have to start with the people bringing them into the world.

Every black person born in our country has the same opportunities as everyone else in our country. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. When you look at our current administration today you see an array of black Americans who hold high level positions. But, look further, outside of our current administration and you will find accomplished black Americans in high level as well as middle class positions who are doing just fine building their families and their careers.

It always comes down to a person choice.

We teach people how to treat us.

I happen to like Ruth Bader Ginsberg. I am also a realist.

Jason R (67)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 9:59 am

Political Leaning Depends
Eating Habits Almost anything... :), meat and potatoes, Grateful to have for sharing, Chocolate - Lots of it
Wild Fact About Me well i don't know if this is wild but i am a news junkie.

A fox "news" junkie? Depends? Could you be anymore of a phony plant?

"well i am sorry for you having to be married so long to someone with so much hate in her heart."

When you idiots watch fox and vote in nazi's that destroy our economy and country, there's a reaction. Our hate of you c***suckers was brought on by yourselves. You F'd up our lives. Now you speak as if you're innocent? I truly can NOT believe your ignorance of reality.

Jason R (67)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 10:00 am
"" Here are a couple of facts that every American should be ashamed of: "

Oh!!! Listen up! The white elitist is giving us a lesson!!!

Lady Suki (446)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 10:06 am
Wow Dianne. Just wow.

If you think everyone in this country has the same opportunities as everyone else, those are some mighty spiffy rose colored glasses you have on there.

Do you really think someone born into say the Walton family and someone born into poverty have the same opportunities?

Have you checked the social mobility stats of America.

And you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink? THAT'S PRETTY DAMN CONDESCENDING. I"m sure you are a paragon of virtue and have only the best of intentions. If only African Americans would listen to your sermons of personal choices, you could help them make the right choices. Because hey, in your world (doesn't sound very realistic to me), everyone has the same opportunities.

Is there a chance that some African American born into extreme poverty could eventually become fabulously wealthy? Yes, there is a chance.

Does someone born into a wealthy family have a much better chance then the person born into poverty. ABSOLUTELY.

Diane O (194)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 10:19 am
In other words, you can take a child to school but you can't make them learn. It's a personal choice.

Obama wasn't born into a wealthy family. He is the president. Michelle Obama wasn't born into a wealthy family. She is the first lady. Obama's biological father came from extreme Africa...and he ended up with a an education. He ended up an alcoholic...a personal choice. Want me to go on?

There's no reason why anyone in our country can't get an education. I believe all of us have the same opportunities. The racial tension in our country appears to be on steroids since Obama took office.

Extreme poverty doesn't stop a person from taking advantage of going to school and applying one's self to get a high school diploma. We have illegals crossing our borders and many of them want an education in America. They want their children to have an education so that they can take care of themselves and have a better life. Illegals break our laws so that their children can go to our schools. How many thousands are entering our schools today and they don't speak English. You can make all the excuses you want to make but the statistics tell a very different story.

Lady Suki (446)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 10:25 am
I said it was still possible. I just said some people have a far better chance of success based on who their parents/family is.

Dianne, how old are you? I guess it doesn't really matter. But I'm 24. I dare you to look up the cost of a college education in the U.S. today. Even a community college is can cost thousands per years. Yes, you can take a lone. But here is the kicker.

You might spend a decade or more paying off those loans. I had high school teachers who would be very honest and tell us they just finished paying off their loans like five years ago. And these teachers were in their thirties to forties.

When it cost more to attend college, than most people make in a year, there is a problem.

LOL I don't blame Obama for the racial tension. Having an African American in the White House brought out the racists. Blaming Obama for the fact that lets be honest, there are people who are NEVER going to like Obama and it isn't always for his policies, is like blaming a rape victim for being raped. ANY Black person as president would have brought out the racists.

Sorry, I"m white. It might not be pretty to face the truth. But there are plenty of racists in the United States. Now does everyone who doesn't like Obama, only dislike him because they are racists? No. But there is a certain element to this country that has always existed and will never go away. It's just today they try to be more subtle about it.

Kathy B (106)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 10:30 am
Diane O., there are many problems with your diatribe, but your comment regarding alcoholism is way wrong. Alcoholism is inherited it's not a choice.

Arielle S (313)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 10:40 am
No, no, no - every black person born in this country does not have the same opportunities as any other person...That's just silly to suggest it is so.

And Daryl, dear sir, don't you think you would be much happier harassing people somewhere else? Carrie and Barry have shown great grace in dealing with you but I'm not that patient....Your opinion is one thing - just being snarky is another. Go away please.

Can you imagine George W and Dead-eyed Dick Cheney taking the kind of criticism Obama has dealt with?


Diane O (194)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 10:41 am
Alcoholism can be treated like any other disease. There are many recovering alcoholics walking our streets in every state in this country. It becomes a personal choice to not drink. Same with drug addiction.

Lady Suki (446)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 10:43 am
Lol Bush or Cheney would have dug up some blackmail and forced the politician to resign, if it was a politician speaking about them as they have Obama.

If it was an every day citizen, if they knew about it, they'd probably try to send said citizen to GITMO.

Diane O (194)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 10:45 am
Taxpayers fund grants, scholarships in every state. Young men and women can join our military and the taxpayers will fund their education. So, please, making excuses why certain people are not educated or can't learn a trade is literally a bridge too far. It is called "personal responsibility." No matter what color a person have the same choices to make.

Lady Suki (446)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 10:48 am
Lol and you think these grants and scholarships cover EVERYTHING? Highly unlikely. The student would have be fantastic at something for a full ride. Now I know you MUST be older than me if you seriously think grants and scholarships are that extensive. Sure, they exist in every state. They do not in most cases cover everything or even most of the expenses.

I suppose that's one way to recruit for the army. Make sure those meddling kids have to sign up for the military to get an education. So they can go off and fight in wars, that you probably supported.

Kathy B (106)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 11:00 am
Diane O., you just proved that you know nothing about addiction. As you also know nothing about scholarships and grants. First there aren't enough to cover everyone, even those most deserving.

You still believe in the 'American Dream' but it's dead, killed by greed.

Diane O (194)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 11:02 am
Ever heard of having a part time job while you go to school? Hello? Millions of students go to community colleges and work part time to pay their tuition and other expenses like gasoline for their car or money to ride the bus.

Where there is a "will there is a way." Stop making excuses for why people fail in life.


Diane O (194)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 11:06 am
So, are you saying that people who are born with the "addiction gene" have no hope of ever having a productive life? Explain yourself. George W. Bush is a recovering alcoholic. Barack Obama smoked marijuana, crack and used cocaine. Both became presidents.

The "American dream" means something different to each of us.

Lady Suki (446)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 11:06 am
Lol yes, a part time job making about 7 bucks or 10 bucks an hour, will go really far. I know people who work two full time jobs while in college and they still go into major student loan debt. What do you have to say to them, since you apparently have the answer to everything?

Diane O (194)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 11:10 am
Many students have loans. President and Mrs. Obama had to pay back student loans in order to get law degrees.

What I am saying is that there are "no free rides" contrary to what your vision of a perfect world should be. Student loans are necessary to get a good job and that job will facilitate you in paying back your education costs. This is America. You don't live in Sweden.

Lady Suki (446)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 11:19 am
I don't think there is anyone saying it should be free in this chat. That would imply America values having an educated workforce, clearly we do not, or else we would not have college cost as much as a house.

I guess in your perfect world. I can just call up a bank, get a part time job, or I can join the army. HARVARD HERE I COME.


Kathy B (106)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 12:01 pm
No, I'm not saying they have no hope for a productive life. In order for an addict to admit they have a problem and seek help, they have to reach a low. That low is different for each person. For one it may be losing their drivers license, for another it may be the threat of losing their family. There is no cure.

Diane O (194)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 12:12 pm
There are many success stories. : )

divergent r (309)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 12:50 pm
gee,join the military or remain uneducated and poor?...I would pick being a jobless bum over being a murderer
in a heartbeat...any other suggestions?..I grew up in the ghettos of the worst neighborhood in NYC,,,and I have seen the army kill families for generations.

divergent r (309)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 12:52 pm
lol,no better example than gw bush as a recovering coke ,and alcoholic junkie?
conversation fail!!

Carrie B (306)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 2:22 pm
'Free rides' Diane? How about NO rides ~ free or not ~ for many!

Lois Jordan (63)
Sunday August 24, 2014, 2:24 pm
Noted. Thanks, Carrie. Wise words from a brilliant woman. I wish there were more voices on SCOTUS like this. She will be irreplaceable.
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