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Ten Year Old Palestinian Boy Attacked By Settlers and Abducted By Israeli Soldiers While Playing in the Snow in Hebron


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Carrie
- 1186 days ago - palsolidarity.org
Saleh's family lives very near the illegal Israeli settlement in Tel Rumeida, occupied by some of Palestine's most violent Zionist settlers. Israeli occupation forces and settlers have repeatedly targeted the Abu Shamsiya family.



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Lois Jordan (63)
Tuesday February 24, 2015, 3:32 pm
Noted. Just awful! Children should never be targeted; and this entire family lives in terror.
 

Darren W (218)
Wednesday February 25, 2015, 12:37 am
Agree totally with Lois.
 

Hugh Smith (112)
Wednesday February 25, 2015, 1:46 am
It's so wrong, when will it ever stop
 

Diane O (194)
Wednesday February 25, 2015, 4:09 am
Hopefully, the Palestinian's will wake up soon and get rid of Hamas, a terrorist group. As long as Hamas is intent on wiping out Israel there will be fighting and situations like this. Hamas was using children as human shields.

"Hamas admits it DID use schools and hospitals in Gaza Strip as 'human shields' to launch rocket attacks on Israel - but claims it was 'mistake'
Official says group had no choice but to launch rockets from civilian areas
Ghazi Hamad: safeguards taken to protect civilians but 'we made mistakes'
He refuses to accept responsibility for deaths in retaliatory airstrikes".

"The IDF is currently engaged in Operation Protective Edge against Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups in the Gaza Strip. Hamas places weapons and missile launchers in densely populated areas. They also send men, woman and children to act as human shields for terrorists."

http://www.idfblog.com/blog/2014/07/08/hamas-uses-human-shields/

Placing children in harm's way is wrong no matter which side you are on.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2753176/Hamas-DID-use-schools-hospitals-Gaza-Strip-human-shields-launch-rocket-attacks-Israel-admits-says-mistake.html#ixzz3Sl2l7KMx
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Past Member (0)
Wednesday February 25, 2015, 5:16 am
The child was NOT kidnapped, he was taken to the village military center and asked questions. He was released to the palestinian police.
This is what police do when there's an altercation ~ ask questions.
 

Justin Vale (13)
Wednesday February 25, 2015, 5:26 am
how can it be an illegal israeli settlement if it's anywhere near anything whose name starts with tel Rumeida? that's the biblical city of hebron. this is abraham's city. king david's first capital. how can you call that illegal?
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday February 25, 2015, 7:01 am
Another piece of nonsense from Pallywood. Anything anti-Israel goes. No need to check the facts or make sure a story makes any sense.

Internet Jihad is an acceptable form of Jihad. Joining ISIS is of course the best, but those who can't go may still do it by posting things from PalestinianIntifada, Mondoweiss, Al-Jazeera, Al-Manar, etc.


 

Darren W (218)
Wednesday February 25, 2015, 7:43 am
This is where the whole premise of Islamic fundamentalism as regards the Qur'an falls apart. The Internet came into existence AFTER Islam, is obviously relatively new, and therefore easy to exploit and abuse.

Internet Jihad is therefore exactly the same as being an Armchair critic or Armchair intellect. One with no practical experience, but plenty of theory locked up on one's head, imagining.
 

Lona G (80)
Wednesday February 25, 2015, 7:46 am
That makes sense, doesn't it? First the soldiers stand by and let a 10 year old boy, playing in the snow, be wounded by settlers and when the boy is back from hospital and playing outside again, these soldiers take the boy away for interrogation. Hmm, yes, I'm sure these soldiers had every right to take a 10 year old victim away without informing his parents to interrogate him. That's not kidnapping, that is normal procedure in a case like that.

Yes, sadly, if your a Palestinian child living in the - according to the UN - occupied territories, that is normal procedure.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday February 25, 2015, 8:40 am
The world according to carrie et al., and palestinian propaganda.
 

Justin Vale (13)
Wednesday February 25, 2015, 9:32 am
bob a. your first paragraph was cool. second made no sense.
 

Lucy S (48)
Wednesday February 25, 2015, 9:39 am
Thanks Carrie! As you can see from the comments, not all should be in here complaining about you..rather they need to go read about McDonalds.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday February 25, 2015, 11:43 am
*Internet Jihad is therefore exactly the same as being an Armchair critic or Armchair intellect. One with no practical experience, but plenty of theory locked up on one's head, imagining.*

Thank you, Darren.
 

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday February 25, 2015, 2:41 pm
Thanks Lucy. I've grown accustomed to the complaints left by those who want the world to remain blind to Israeli atrocities.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday February 25, 2015, 2:45 pm
The world isn't blind, carrie, they have learned not to believe the ludicrous, unverified tales of atrocities from your pallies.
 

Diane O (194)
Wednesday February 25, 2015, 3:16 pm
Can you name those Israeli atrocities, Carrie? That would be helpful to those of us who do not have the inside knowledge you seem to have. I can learn something new everyday. I'm always open to learning more. What I do know is that Israel is your country's, and mine, strongest ally in the Middle East. Perhaps you can explain why that is....how did that happen? Why isn't Iran our strongest ally in the Middle East?
 

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday February 25, 2015, 3:23 pm
Diane, do you not read the news or watch news reports on TV? Have you ever heard of Gaza? The murder of innocent women and children, the imprisonment of Palestinians for protesting, building illegal settlements on stolen land? Where have you been, my dear?
 

Diane O (194)
Wednesday February 25, 2015, 3:41 pm
I've been right on the facts, my dear.

Please be specific about exactly what I've missed about "stolen land" with regard to Gaza and the murder of innocent women and children. I believe that I read similar news sources that you do. I just have a difficult/hard time finding this a black and white issue.

I believe your "stolen land" reference to the Left Bank and not Gaza and if that is the case then it is hard to characterize West Bank land that was fought over in a war as somehow "stolen." The Balfour Declaration negotiated a state for Israelis and a state for Palestinians called "Trans Jordan" that was taken over by the Hashemites who were historically the controlling tribe of Mecca but took over Jordan through their own actions the Palestinians in Trans Jordan were "kicked out" and tried to take Jerusalem by force. They lost. And, consequently, created hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees who, to this day, for political reasons, are housed in refugee camps.

I welcome your comments and correction to my history as I understand it.
 

Diane O (194)
Wednesday February 25, 2015, 4:40 pm
Carrie, I'm waiting for your response because if this is a "teaching moment" for you then I am ready.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday February 25, 2015, 10:40 pm
Justin, let me clarify the second paragraph:

"Internet Jihad is an acceptable form of Jihad. Joining ISIS is of course the best, but those who can't go may still do it by posting things from PalestinianIntifada, Mondoweiss, Al-Jazeera, Al-Manar, etc. "

There is a number of ways a Muslim can perform his obligation to do Jihad. Those who can - must go to a battle. Then there are those who must give logistical support. Then there are those who must give money. And then there are those who will provide media support.

That last, but not least, form of Jihad takes place in the hate sites I mentioned, from which Carrie picks up her posts at a rate of 10-20/day.

 

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday February 25, 2015, 10:46 pm
Very funny Bob! Besides being completely false, how would you know how much and what I read in a day? Unless of course, you are presuming that I behave like you and the other hasbara propagandists.

I read what I please from a variety of sources and post articles on a variety of topics. You, ~ on the other hand, ~ don't seem to do anything except complain about what others do, ~ and spout hasbara propaganda.

 

Arild Gone for now (174)
Thursday February 26, 2015, 5:01 am
"The soldiers stationed at Gilbert checkpoint, directly beside where the attack took place, did nothing try to prevent the settlers from assaulting Saleh."

How can anybody justify what happend to this child??
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday February 26, 2015, 5:19 am
Kidnapping. Abduction. Atrocities. Histrionics ~ a ploy to inflame anger and passion when a matter has no substantive details.
And we've already seen numerous times how your buddies tell some pretty tall tales..........
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday February 26, 2015, 7:05 am
Carrie, this is not fanny at all. Daniel Pearl also thought that Islamist hate is all nonsense, he trusted Islamists - and ended up being beheaded while trying to sympathize with them.

I don't know what you called false. Different forms of Jihad exist and are well known, Media Support is one of them. Media Support qualifies as performing Jihad duty by a Muslim, or by a Muslima.

Counting articles you post on Care2 every day is easy. I rarely post articles myself, so you can't associate me with either hasbara or with dawah propagandists, like you.

Most of the sources that you use to pick your posts are Islamist hate sites and follows a clear agenda. Unfortunately, this agenda will make lives of Palestinian Arabs worse because it contains only hate and provocations, and nothing constructive.
 

Diane O (194)
Thursday February 26, 2015, 7:11 am
Well stated, Bob A. I'm still waiting for a response to my comment above listing the Israeli atrocities.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday February 26, 2015, 7:39 am
They bandy words like *atrocity*, *kidnap*, *abduction*, *massacre*, about for effect....not expecting to be called on it.
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday February 26, 2015, 12:59 pm
FOR DIANE:

For anti-racist Jews and indeed all anti-racist humanitarians the core moral messages from the Jewish Holocaust (5-6 million dead, 1 in 6 dying from deprivation) and from the more general WW2 European Holocaust (30 million Slav, Jewish and Gypsy dead) are “zero tolerance for racism”, “bear witness”, “zero tolerance for lying” and “never again to anyone”, anyone including the Indigenous Palestinian victims of the racist Zionist Palestinian Genocide - 2 million dead since 1936, 0.1 million from violence, 1.9 million from war-, expulsion- and occupation-derived deprivation; 7 million refugees; 4.1 million Occupied Palestinians deprived of ALL the human rights listed by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights ; 6 million Palestinians forbidden to even live in the homeland continuously inhabited by their forbears to the very dawn of agrarian civilization; 0.9 million Palestinian children confined without charge or trial to what the Catholic Church and many others have described as Israel's Gaza Concentration Camp for the asserted "crime" of being Indigenous Palestinians living in a tiny, remorselessly Zionist-bombed patch of Palestine.

UK Labour leader Ed Miliband's parents are anti-racist Jews who believe in justice for the 12 million Indigenous Palestinians of whom only the adults of the 1.7 million Palestinian Israelis (i.e. about 7%) can vote for the government ruling all of Palestine plus an ethnically cleansed slab of Syria. Ed Milliband as an elected politician in an ostensible democracy either believes in one man one vote NOW for everyone (including Palestinians) or he doesn't - if he doesn't he should be kicked out at the first opportunity by the Labor Party and the voters of Doncaster North.

Ed Miliband merely trots out the mantra "I support a two-state solution because I long for the peace that both Palestinians and Israelis need so badly" - yet if he had offered the same opinion about Apartheid Israel-supported Apartheid South Africa "I support a two-state solution involving 90% of the country for the Whites and 10% for the majority Non-Europeans in uneconomic Bantustans" his political career would have been finished.

Disraeli (a convert to "God is an Englishman" Anglicanism) was a mass murderer complicit in the Irish Famine (1 million starved to death, 1-2 million forced into exile), the butchery of 10 million Indians in the decade after the 1857 Indian Rebellion, and genocidal atrocities in all parts of the British Empire, not least in India where 500 million Indians died avoidably from British imposed deprivation under Queen Victoria alone (1837-1901) (read my books "Body Count. Global avoidable mortality since 1950" and "Jane Austen and the Black Hole of British History" now available for free perusal on the Web ).

From an extremely charitable anti-racist Jewish perspective Ed Miliband is at the very least "confused" and should seek moral guidance from a large body of outstanding anti-racist Jews from Arendt to Zinn (Google "Jews Against Racist Zionism"). As a refugee from both the anti-racist and anti-Zionist Orthodox Jewish tradition and from the anti-racist, anti-Zionist secular Jewish tradition, Ed Miliband should also seek moral guidance from a large body of outstanding anti-racist non-Jews including the likes of Nobel Laureates Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu, Jimmy Carter, Máiread Maguire and José Saramago who have unequivocally condemned the ongoing Palestinian Genocide by Apartheid Israel (Google "Non-Jews Against Racist Zionism").

The situation in Palestine has been recently described as a Palestinian Holocaust by Palestinian scholar Dr Elias Akleh, exiled from his homeland and now living in the US (see: http://www.countercurrents.org/akleh040308.htm ). It has been frequently described by others as a Palestinian Genocide, a term that is amply justified in relation to the definitions of the UN Genocide Convention as outlined below.

Article 2 of the UN Genocide Convention:

“In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: a) Killing members of the group; b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group”.

Using the latest available UN Agency data we can systematically analyze these UN Genocide Convention points thus.

“Intent to destroy in whole or in part" - sustained (and frequently asserted) intent over about 150 years of the Zionist colonial project; 0.75 million Palestinian refugees in 1948; currently 7 million Palestinian refugees, and 4.2 million Palestinian refugees registered with the UN in the Middle East; over 40 years of illegal Israeli Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza; 0.1 million 1948-2011 violent Palestinian deaths, post-1967 excess deaths 0.3 million; post-1967 under-5 infant deaths 0.2 million; 3,600 under-5 year old Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT) infants die avoidably EACH YEAR in the OPT "Prison" due to Apartheid Israeli war crimes.

a) Killing - about 5100,000 Palestinians killed since 1948; post-1967 excess deaths 0.3 million; post-1967 under-5 infant deaths 0.2 million; 3,600 under-5 year old Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT) infants die avoidably EACH YEAR in the OPT "Prison" due to Israeli ignoring of the Geneva Convention; 254 OPT Palestinians killed by the Israeli military in the LAST 2 MONTHS OF 2008 ALONE, 301 killed thus last year (latest UNRWA data; see above).

b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm - see (a) and the shocking UNICEF reports of the appalling conditions psychologically scarring OPT children.

(c) Conditions to cause destruction in whole or in part - see (a) and (b); Professor Noam Chomsky describes the OPT as a highly abusive "Prison"; others use the valid term "Concentration Camp" and make parallels with the Warsaw Ghetto; one has to turn to US-guarded Vietnamese hamlets and the Nazi era atrocities to see routine, horrendously violent and deadly military policing of civilian concentration camps.

(d) Measures intended to prevent births - see (a), (b), and (c) above; dozens of pregnant women dying at road blocks; other killing of pregnant Palestinian women; huge infant mortality in the OPT with the Occupier in gross violation of the Geneva Convention.

(e) Forcible transferring of children – irreversible transferring by killing of children - 0.2 million post-invasion infant deaths; 27 OPT children violently killed in the LAST WEEK ALONE; mass imprisonment of 2 million OPT children; hundreds of Palestinian children in abusive Israeli high-security prisons in Israel; forcible separation of families by racist Israeli Apartheid Laws, marriage laws and immigration laws.

For all anti-racist humanitarians - and anti-racist Jews in particular - the core moral messages from the WW2 Jewish Holocaust (5-6 million dead, 1 in 6 dying from deprivation) and from the more general WW2 European Holocaust (30 million Slav, Jewish and Gypsy dead) are “zero tolerance for racism”, “never again to anyone”, “bear witness” and “zero tolerance for lying”.

However these sacred injunctions are grossly violated by the anti-Arab anti-Semitic racist Zionists running Apartheid Israel and their Western backers variously involved in the ongoing Palestinian Genocide, Iraqi Genocide and Afghan Genocide (post-invasion violent and non-violent excess deaths 0.3 million, 2.3 million and 3-7 million, respectively; post-invasion under-5 infant deaths 0.2 million, 0.6 million and 2.3 million, respectively; refugees totalling 7 million, 5-6 million and 3-4 million, respectively, plus a further 2.5 million NW Pakistan Pashtun refugees) (for details and documentation see "Muslim Holocaust, Muslim Genocide": ).

All decent, anti-racist, humanitarians must vigorously oppose and sideline those supporting racist Zionism, Apartheid Israel and racist Western wars and occupations who are currently complicit in 0.7 million non-violent excess deaths annually; continuing, racist perversion of human rights, humanitarian values and rational discourse in the Western democracies; ignoring of worsening climate genocide (that may kill 10 billion non-Europeans this century through unaddressed man-made climate change); and egregious anti-Jewish anti-Semitism through falsely identifying decent, anti-racist Jews with these appalling crimes.

The Palestinian Genocide is part of the so-called US Alliance War on Terror that in horrible reality is a cowardly, racist US Alliance and racist Zionist War on Women and Children and a War on Palestinian, Iraqi, Lebanese, Syrian, Somali, Iraqi, Iranian, Afghan, Pakistani, Arab, Muslim, Asian and non-European Women and Children.

As of mid-2009, in the Occupied Palestinian, Iraqi and Afghan Territories post-invasion non-violent excess deaths total 0.3 million, 1.0 million and 3.2 million, respectively; post-invasion violent deaths total about 11,000, 1.3 million and up to 4 million, respectively; post-invasion violent plus non-violent excess deaths total 0.3 million, 2.3 million and 3-7 million, respectively; post-invasion under-5 infant deaths total 0.2 million, 0.6 million and 2.3 million, respectively; and refugees total 7 million, 5-6 million and 3-4 million, respectively (plus a further 2.5 million Pashtun refugees in NW Pakistan). This constitutes a Palestinian, Iraqi and Afghan Genocide as defined by Article 2 of the UN Genocide Convention; and egregious war crimes due in part to Occupier war criminal non-supply of life-sustaining food and medical requisites demanded unequivocally by Articles 55 and 56 of the Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War – thus the Gaza Concentration Camp has been under US-backed Israeli blockade for 2 years and according to WHO the “total annual per capita medical expenditure” permitted by the Occupiers in Iraq and Occupied Afghanistan is US$124 and US$29, respectively, as compared to US$6,714 for the US.”

As of 2011:
In 1880 there were about 0.5 million Indigenous Palestinians. Of the 25,000 Jews in Palestine half were immigrants and Palestinian casualties of war violence total about 80,000 since 1948 and about 100,000 since 1936 .

However one must also consider avoidable Palestinian deaths from war-, expulsion- and occupation-imposed deprivation that now total about 1.9 million since 1948.


The Occupied Palestinian avoidable deaths since 1950 are estimated from UN Population Division data (2002 revision) at 677,000 and for all of Palestine at 0.677 million x 5.7 million (all Palestinians still within Palestine)/4.1 million (Occupied Palestinians) = 940,000. However we must also include Palestinians outside Palestine and forbidden to return (roughly 2 times those within Palestine) and thus the estimate of post-1950 Palestinian avoidable deaths from imposed deprivation = 0.94 million x 2 = 1.88 million = 1.9 million.

Palestinian refugees total about 7 million of whom about 5 million are registered with the UN.This has been a Palestinian Genocide as defined by Article 2 of the UN Genocide Convention: "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group".

According to the Israeli Foreign Ministry: “From 1920 through 1999, a total of 2,500 residents of Mandatory Palestine and, since 1948, the State of Israel fell victims to hostile enemy action; in most cases, terrorist attacks” and “1,218 people have been killed by Palestinian violence and terrorism since September 2000”.

The race-based, racist Zionist-run Apartheid State of Israel is a democracy by genocide. Of about 12 million Palestinians only the adults of 1.7 million Palestinian Israelis (21% of the Israeli population) can vote for the government ruling all of Palestine plus part of Lebanon and a near-completely ethnically cleansed part of Syria, albeit as third class citizens. 1.8 million Occupied Palestinians are abusively confined to the Gaza Concentration Camp and 2.5 million Occupied Palestinians live under highly abusive military rule in West Bank Bantustans. About 6 million Palestinians are forbidden to even live in Palestine. There are 5.9 million Jewish Israelis and 0.3 million non-Jewish and non-Arab Israelis."
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday February 26, 2015, 1:02 pm
CONTINUED FROM ABOVE POST:

Since 1936, the ongoing Palestinian Genocide has involved about 2.0 million war- and occupation-related Palestinian deaths, 0.1 million Palestinians killed violently , 1.9 million avoidable Palestinian deaths from war- , occupation- and expulsion-imposed deprivation, 7 million refugees. 3,000 Palestinian infants are passively murdered by Apartheid Israel each year, and 0.8 million Palestinian children are abusively confined to the Gaza Concentration Camp for the "crime" of being Indigenous Palestinians.

Each year Apartheid Israel passively kills about 3,000 Occupied Palestinian infants, passively murders about 4,200 Occupied Palestinians through deprivation and violently kills another circa 600 Occupied Palestinians. Decent anti-racists around the World must Boycott Apartheid Israel and its racist supporters just as it successfully boycotted Apartheid Israel-supported Apartheid South Africa after the Sharpeville Massacre (69 Africans killed).

The racist Zionists and their supporters, notably the Neocon American and Zionist Imperialists (NAZIs), must be sidelined in public life as have been like racists such as the Nazis, neo-Nazis, Apartheiders and KKK (see “Palestinian Genocide” and the recent book “The Plight of the Palestinians”.



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REINHART, Tanya. Jewish Israeli linguistics professor: "The trouble is not exactly with Zionism, but with the Israeli leadership and the way Zionism has been executed, based on ethnic cleansing from the very start"
ROBERTS, Paul Craig. US conservative economist and "Father of Reaganomics": "Muslim genocide in one form or another is the professed goal of the neoconservatives who have total control over the Bush administration"
ROY. Arundhati. Famed Indian writer slams "[Israeli] long-term military, economic and geographic practice whose political aim is nothing less than the liquidation of the Palestinian nation"
SA'ID, Edward. Re Palestinian Genocide: "One universal truth about the [Jewish] Holocaust is not only that it should never again happen to Jews, but that as a cruel and tragic collective punishment, it should not happen to any people at all"
SAALAKHAN, Mauri'. "The open genocide taking place in Gaza at present - one of the largest open air prisons in the world "
SALAM, Kawther. Palestinian journalist slams Palestinian collaborator furtherance of Palestinian Genocide
SARAMAGO, José. Portuguese Literature Nobel Laureate: "What is happening in Palestine is a crime that we can compare to what occurred in Auschwitz" & "[Israel's] aim is nothing less than the liquidation of the Palestinian people"
SHAKRA, Natalie Abu. Lebanese writer & activist: "erasing identities off the map, and this is what has been happening to the Palestinians for 61 years and on going now. What do you choose to do about it? Boycott Apartheid Israel."
SVIRSK
SVIRSKY, Marcelo. Australian academic on the Gaza Massacre & "the ethnic cleansing of Palestine that gave birth to the state of Israel"
UN GENERAL ASSEMBLY in Resolution 37/123 determined that “the large-scale massacre of Palestinian civilians in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps… was an act of genocide”
UN GENOCIDE CONVENTION. "Acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part"
VIDAL, Gore. Famous US writer slams "[Israeli] long-term military, economic and geographic practice whose political aim is nothing less than the liquidation of the Palestinian nation"
VLAZNA, Vacy. Australian humanitarian scholar and activist slams JNF role in the ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestine by Apartheid Israel
ZINN, Howard. Outstanding Jewish American historian slams "[Israeli] long-term military, economic and geographic practice whose political aim is nothing less than the liquidation of the Palestinian nation"
 

Diane O (194)
Thursday February 26, 2015, 1:17 pm
A list of documented personal opinions.....???

How about a long list of documented Israeli atrocities....
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday February 26, 2015, 1:19 pm
Diane, I have no doubt that you didn't even bother to read the comment. If you did, you would know that they are not personal, ~ but well documented facts. But then, you and your friends like to ignore facts.
 

Diane O (194)
Thursday February 26, 2015, 2:09 pm
Of course, I read through your post. It took you a great deal of time to research these opinions and I appreciate that but even you must admit that all of them are based on personal opinions. For example, take the last two...."Vlazna....Australian humanitarian scholar and activist slams JNF role in the ongoing ethic cleansing of Palestine...." That's a personal opinion. And Zinn.."Israeli long term military, economic and geographic practice whose political aim is nothing less than the liquidation of the Palestinian nation"...that IS Zinn's personal opinion.

What you stated above and what I am questioning is your claim of actual Jewish atrocities....I am respectfully asking you to list them. I am assuming because you said it you know what they are. If you are unable to do that that's okay.
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday February 26, 2015, 2:11 pm
I'm sorry Diane, but I can't help you with reading comprehension. You're going to have to do that on your own.
 

Diane O (194)
Thursday February 26, 2015, 2:43 pm
Translation: "I can't answer your question."

Carrie, that's okay. We can move on from this now.
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday February 26, 2015, 2:55 pm
I did answer your question. You just don't comprehend the words. Try using a dictionary.
 

Diane O (194)
Thursday February 26, 2015, 3:22 pm
You are correct I do not comprehend your lack of actual documentation of your words "Israeli atrocities." And, for that, I do apologize. A dictionary is obsolete. I'm actually looking for actual documentation which I realize now was a bridge too far.

However, I do appreciate your effort.
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday February 26, 2015, 4:00 pm
Good luck to you Diane. I will keep hoping that someday you will be honest enough to admit when you are being deliberately obtuse, instead of attacking others with your passive aggressive behavior. It is not only dishonest, but unfair to those of us who make an effort to be fair.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday February 27, 2015, 4:09 am
Diane, I told you she couldn't answer your question and her response (although tediously lengthy) demonstrates why very admirably.
They do not base their opinions on anything but opinions that *reinforce* theirs.
In the beginning of this I spent weeks posting historical facts, excerpts from historical documents, UN Security Council resolutions, etc.........only to be called a *hasbara troll* because the facts did not conform to their opinions.
 
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