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Death Penalty Proposition: Statement From No on Prop 34

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: justice, death penalty, government, ethics, California )

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FYI from those in California who celebrate the death penalty. We have work to do.

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Jae A (316)
Wednesday November 7, 2012, 11:21 am
Yes we do. This was a big disapointment for many of us in Ca. last evening.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 7, 2012, 11:22 am
A sad article. Noted. For whatever reason, Californians stepped back from the brink of sanity and chose barbarism instead.

JL A (281)
Wednesday November 7, 2012, 12:03 pm
However, as the proponents' email earlier today stated, the close to 50-50 split (only 500,000 vote difference) was substantially different from the one that passed decades ago at 71%. A little more education and it will pass.

Rose Becke (141)
Wednesday November 7, 2012, 1:47 pm
Ban the death penalty

Wednesday November 7, 2012, 6:37 pm
Signed the initial petition to get this on the ballot and voted for it here in CA. Am very disappointed it did not pass.

Giana Peranio-paz (398)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 1:01 am
The death penalty issue was always very ambivalent for me. Should Nazis, who murdered millions of innocent human beings be spared and just given jail sentences? In Israel we don't have the death penalty, but did put Adolf Eichman to death by handing because of his horrific crimes.

Caroline S (78)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 1:14 am

Pogle S (88)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 1:30 am
The death penalty is wrong because too many innocents have been executed in the name of justice miscarried.

Past Member (0)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 2:54 am
This Scott person comes off blood thirsty to me, killing someone is not going to bring the person they killed back to life, I think there are better ways to punish them, like using them for research purposes instead of animals, killing them just makes you a killer too!

Rana Sinha (50)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 3:35 am
Noted, thanks for sharing.

Anjali J (0)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 4:00 am
The death penalty is a ghastly thing surrounded by myths that those in favour of it like to propagate - such as it costs less than keeping someone in jail for life. With all the appeals allowed and the fact that the state must provide legal counsel if the defendant cannot afford it, plus the fact that the defendant has to be kept in prison whilst these appeals are heard - which can often take more than a decade - the death penalty actually costs more than a life sentence. About 20 times more in fact. (California has spent more than $4billion on executions since it reinstated the death penalty in 1978. Given the fiscal issues Cali has atm, you'd think they'd have better things to spend more than $184million dollars a year on.) [source:]

Give it a few more years and some education to ground those myths into dust and the close to 50-50 split there was on this ballot will swing in the right direction - away from the death penalty.

tracey p (81)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 7:29 am
The death penalty is an abhorrent thing. There are so many poor and uneducated people on death row. An eye for an eye makes no sense. To kill a killer? Does that make us any better? I do not want the laws of my country to be vengeful laws. I want considered, responsible laws, and am glad that the UK got rid of the death penalty years ago.

Myraida Diaz (136)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 10:35 am
I am with you Tracy and Shalvah:
An eye for an eye will only make the whole world blind - Ghandi
For a sentenced to die person that could otherwise be sentenced for life, dying could be a liberation! But,to make a person pay to society through working and having to live forever in a jail with no freedom, could be hell on earth! See that first they try to appeal etc... of course they want to live, it's a natural reaction but, they aspire to be free! They dream that somehow they could be free! No person is happy in jail. They resignate but they are not happy. - Not to mention the risk of sentencing to death innocent people. Dying is an instant, not paying nothing to society is for ever.
Not to mention the highest posible expresions of love: Forgiveness and compassion. Both very, very christical and both inherent to human being. Only humans were blessed and or fortunate to have the capacity to forgive and exercise compassion towards other sentient beings, to love unconditionally and with a conscience, to walk the path towards perfection.
Noted. TY!

Susan D (116)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 12:30 pm
There is so much room for errors that it is best to NEVER have the death penalty. It must be better to allow the evil one a life in prison that kill an innocent person (or experiment on them as someone suggested-- what if the person has been framed? It wouldnt be the first time that a simple or challenged individual has been set up for the sake of tidiness.) Incidentally, deranged psycho criminals often hope to die-- why allow them their wish?

Bill Eagle (41)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 1:06 pm
I am surprised and shocked. Goes to show that there are lots of blood thirsty and frightened people in California.

Tom Edgar (56)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 2:10 pm
All the factual evidence tells you that the death penalty is not a crime deterrent. Australia and new Zealand have not had the death penalty for many years and our serious crime rate is per capita, a fraction of America's as are those States in the U S A which do not have the "Judicial Murder" law in place. The same can be said for all the advanced European Union nations where it is mandatory to not have Judicial Murder laws before being considered as an E U member. Primitive thinking and religiously retributive countries retain the right to ritualistically and judicially murder their citizens, nations such as North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iran, plus all of the nations of Islam. Nice company you keep.

Then look at all those who were found not guilty some after many years in jail. The Irish prisoners in the U K, one who actually died in prison before it was decided he and all his friends had been convicted on false evidence planted by the prosecuting police, (who were never prosecuted). Lightning Hopkins, in the U S A who served over twenty years before being released, another who should have never even been arrested, in Australia Lindy Chamberlain was convicted of infanticide and served several years in jail, because of sloppy police work, and religious prejudice, although it was a Dingo that killed her baby. The death penalty would have had one advantage, all of these, and hundreds of others, would have not involved any compensation if they had been "Topped". Just a belated apology, if even that.

marie C (163)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 5:16 pm
Some murderers just do not deserve to breath but yes it does make us killers also Not an easy subject certain child killers who torture children to death make my blood boil but at the end of the day I feel they are so mentally sick what is achieved UK does not have death penalty but look how murder has risen I am happy I do not have to make that decision

Gloria H (88)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 8:02 pm
I have no problem with Charlie Manson getting the needle. Serial killers who relish torturing their victims too. I cant imagine living behind bars, how Nelson Mandela could have survived all those years as a political prisoner is amazing. History is full of cases where prisoners were locked up for years in tiny cells..far differant than the comforts of modern prisons. Rats, vermin, damp cells, filthy water, no sanitation what sovever ,absolutely no medical care, wormy food because of political /religious differances with powers that be. Enduring that in the times when life span was 40 years. To remain alive with no hope must have been the ultimate torment. And those people were innocent.

Catherine Turley (192)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 10:39 pm
this broke my heart, but it was fairly close. i have hope. the solitary reason everyone should vote against the death penalty is the logical assumption that we have killed at least one innocent man and will continue to kill more. that is immoral and unacceptable.

Tom Edgar (56)
Thursday November 8, 2012, 10:48 pm
Any rise in murders in the U K, and I see no source reference for that, has nothing to do with the lack of capital punishment. The threat of Judicial retributive murder has NEVER stopped any person from committing a crime.
One of the reasons that western Europe has a crime problem is the increase of the population by emigration from countries with a traditional attitude that produces more violent activities and less respect for legal procedures.

In Singapore and Malaysia execution is the penalty for drug smuggling and after thirty or more years they still execute smugglers weekly. The only reason there is support for Judicial Murder is simply the same retribution blood lust of the general populace evidenced by the original crime perpetrators. This makes the general populace no better than the criminal.

jan b (5)
Friday November 9, 2012, 3:45 am
There is DNA today....some have many witnesses to their act.....some have confessed. Why should the one deserve to live another day.... who caused such horrific pain and suffering to the victim(s) before they died too early. Why should the parents, the spouse anyone closely connected to the victim not have this closure. Remember some do come up for parole and the victim's family has to go there and look at the murderer again....and testify all over again. It's not fair.

marie C (163)
Friday November 9, 2012, 11:39 am
Its a difficult decision Janice I know what you mean
Drug smugglers are actually mass murders so I have no problem with Singapore or Malaysia

Helen P (39)
Friday November 9, 2012, 7:12 pm
thank you

Lois Jordan (63)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 2:44 pm
Noted. Too bad it didn't pass, but the vote count was very close. Just wondering if CA counted all those early & provisional ballots yet...Here in AZ, we have some extremely close races & those votes are still being counted. We had about 300,000 to count after the regular poll votes. However, when I logged onto the Phx. newspaper website, the front page didn't even have one article on those votes. Down here in the Tucson area, online news has many links to sites where we can watch these votes counted "live" in real time. Every night @6:00, the numbers are updated. With so much early voting and provisional ballots, I'm surprised not to read more about their counting in various states.
This is what always bothered me about "early voting"--those votes aren't even counted until after all the others, and only in cases of close or contested races. But, 300,000 is a LOT of votes. Wondering how many there are in other states.....

Melania P (122)
Monday November 12, 2012, 1:50 pm
Thanks, I do believe rapers should be killed!
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