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Wounded Knee Historic Site Now For Sale On the Open Market


Society & Culture  (tags: indigenous land, historic site, justice, Wounded Knee, Native Americans, crime, family, government, americans, violence, ethics )

Nancy
- 434 days ago - indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com
The May 1 deadline came and went without a word from the Oglala Sioux Tribe, so James Czywczynski, who owns the site of the Wounded Knee massacre, has put the land on the open market.



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Darren Woolsey (57)
Friday May 3, 2013, 3:25 pm
A shame James Czywczynski carries the attitude he does, judging from reading various reports... the land it appears is historically owned by them...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oglala_Lakota
 

Bryna Pizzo (139)
Friday May 3, 2013, 3:59 pm
This is truly tragic. The land should belong to the tribe. Thank you for sharing.
 

Mm M. (449)
Friday May 3, 2013, 4:23 pm
OMG This is a Disgrace and a SLAP IN THE FACE PERIOD!!!
 

Debbie G. (316)
Friday May 3, 2013, 6:12 pm
Too sad, and too typical of white men.
 

Cynthia no frwd B. (260)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 8:12 am
this is a disgrace
 

Michael Kirkby (83)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 8:13 am
Things that just make you go HMMMM? Why not just sell it to the woman who wants to buy it for the Sioux and return it to them? He would still make an outrageous profit from this.
 

Cynthia no frwd B. (260)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 8:20 am
if you steal someone's car do you get to sell it back to them?? the land belongs to the native people It is a cemetary-- let them rest in peace this is heartbreaking to say the least
 

Maria S. (102)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 8:34 am
This is a disgrace. I believe there are very few things in this world that don't have a price and one of those few things are places like "Wounded Knee". It was their land way before it was taken from them. It is a historical site and most of all a Burial Ground a sacred site that should be owned by the Native Americans to honor their ancestors who died there. This land should have been given back to the Native Americans long ago as they were the first Americans. It's like investing and building on a cemetary. It just can't be done. It shouldn't be done.
James Czywczynski should have no right to own and now sell "Wounded Knee"
Thanks Nancy for posting.
 

Allan Yorkowitz (457)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 9:10 am
How was able to purchase this land in the first place?I'm going to have to brush up on this one.
 

Terrie Williams (760)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 9:33 am
There is nothing, NOTHING, sacred in the land of Capitalism. Everything is for sale and is sold to the highest bidder or to those who think that 'owning' history is 'cool'...until they get bored with it. Are we liking our Fascism yet? I know I am not. This is disgusting and morally WRONG, no matter what race you are. It is inherently wrong, lowdown, dispicable and souless. It makes my heart sick for the Lakota People and shames the man selling it off.(Even though he has no shame).
 

Kit B. (277)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 10:24 am

If the Oglala Sioux Tribe, can not buy the land, then maybe it should be purchased by the US government and returned to the tribe.
 

Elle B. (81)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 11:18 am
Ty for posting Nancy. n~s~s

Agree with Kit. Since their are so many greedy opportunists amongst us. . .[the owner obviously consulted Bain Capital or the like in setting the sales price] ...Wounded Knee should be purchased by "We The People" returned to the Lakota and protected in perpetuity. . .
 

Sandra Patterson (60)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 11:46 am
sadly noted,ty
 

Florence Eaise (132)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 11:49 am
what a load of BS!!! I can NOT believe that even today, in the 21st century Native Americans are STILL having their lands taken away! disgusting!
 

Robert O. (12)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 11:54 am
Thanks Nancy.
 

Natasha Salgado (506)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 12:16 pm
Just not right. It's bad karma.This idiot has no business owning this historical site in the 1st place. It shouldn't have been stolen to begin with...this land should be handed over freely and with respect to the Native American People! It's no wonder the countless letters went unanswered...it's a slap in the face and just sleazy! I hope this land ends up with the right people.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 12:18 pm
It is awful it seem Natives never get a break
 

lee e. (114)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 12:23 pm
Outrageous, this guy seems to be in on the kill as far as making a buck, I too wish that the US would by the parcels and give them to the Oglala Sioux tribe, and/or restore the area to make it a public memorial for the Native American People! It has historic significance to all Americans, and the land should be treated with respect.
 

Elle B. (81)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 12:24 pm
"I wonder if the ground has anything to
say? I wonder if the ground is listening to
what is said?...The ground says, It is the
Great Spirit that placed me here. The
Great Spirit tells me to take care of the
Indians, to feed them aright. The Great
Spirit appointed the roots to feed the
Indians on. The water says the same
thing. The Great Spirit directs me, Feed
the Indians well. The grass says the same
thing, Feed the horses and cattle. The
ground, water and grass say, The Great
Spirit has given us our names. We have
these names and hold these names.
Neither the Indians nor the Whites have a
right to change these names. The ground
says, The Great Spirit has placed me here
to produce all that grows on me, tree and
fruit. The same way the ground says, It
was from me man was made. The Great
Spirit in placing men on earth, desired
them to take good care of the ground and
to do each other no harm. . ."
― Weatenatemany, "Young Chief" Cayuse, 1855 Stevens Treaty Councils, Washington State

"I have been trying to seize the promises which they [the whites] made to me; I have been grasping but I cannot find them. What they have promised me straight way, I have not yet seen the half of it."

―Mistahi-maskwa, Nêhiyawak*/Ojibwe [aka: BIg Bear, Plains Cree]

*[“Cree” from French derivative (Kristineaux , Kiristinous , Kilistinous) of Ojibwe term Kinistino. Plains Cree word is Nêhiyawak.]

 

Michael M. (58)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 12:30 pm
Because the Feds and the missionaries wanted the Lakota to settle down and pay (tax and collection plates), they got the idea to try to establish reservations upon which Indians would farm.
If you know the areas and the impossibility of really farming there, you will understand why the Lakota are among the very poorest people within the US (settlers ALWAYS got the best farmland everywhere)

The Dawes Act, I believe, was the law under which tribes on reservatios were required to allot property to individuals, which gave them the right to sell land to anyone. Thus reservations are riddled with private properties not of the Indians, but of buyers like those who want to be financially BIG. (That's not true wealth, and I am tired of misusing the word to mean little bits of earth and trinkets.)

If SOME justice were to be reinstated, ALL the Great Sioux Reservation, which was a considerable part of WY and the Dakotas, would be confiscated from the unethical "owners" and returned to the Oceti Sakowin.
 

Michael M. (58)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 12:33 pm
Elle, the clash of beliefs about the Earth is unceasing, until those who believe they can own it disappear from her face.
Only time, and wiser children can change this tragedy.
 

Myraida Diaz (127)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 1:11 pm
How painful this is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Birgit W. (140)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 1:19 pm
Thanks.
 

Fred Krohn (34)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 1:31 pm
'I heard from passing renegades,
Geronimo is dead.
He was laying down his weapons
When they filled him full of lead...'

The owner has given the Native tribes time to get funds, but here's hoping he'll at least sell to someone basd in North America who will make arrangements for the Natives to have use of it. AlJazeera should e banned along with Communist and other inimical interests.
 

ewoud k. (73)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 1:56 pm
see also:
http://www.care2.com/news/member/281591148/3574555

Thanks Nancy
 

FranNOMAILPLS Darcy (211)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 2:01 pm
The Native Americans own the land, after all they were living in that land long before it was " discovered" and stolen and "settled" by force by the Western countries.It may have happened centuries ago... but that is the facts.
 

Jaime A. (32)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 2:20 pm
Noted, thanks.
 

Phil Heinlein (472)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 2:24 pm
The state od South Dakota or the US DOI needs to step up to the plate and preserve this important landmark, even if the history doesn't paint US in a very good light. The truth is what's important. And the memory of those that died there.
 

Joanne Dixon (35)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 2:29 pm
THIS is the very, very rare situation when the Federal Government SHOULD use eminent domain.
 

Carol H. (229)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 2:57 pm
noted, thanks Nancy
 

James E. (16)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 2:57 pm
The land was theirs already, Czywczynski should give it back to them. I have always found the old saying “Indian giver,” and interesting one. Most people take it as a negative about Indians. Originally it was about the white men, giving it (like land) to the Indian and then taking it back.

If I understood the article correctly, the AP reported that the two parcels he is selling for $4.9 million were actually appraised at $7,000 each! Czywczynski says he gave them every chance to buy it back? I must ask, how does one secure financing for property being offered for sale at 350 TIMES the appraised value?
 

Gloria H. (88)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 4:04 pm
yeah, go ahead and put a freakin Walmart on the site! This guy is itching for a huge dose of bad karma. Maybe the SOB will have a change of heart and have a teeny tiny plaque put on the entrance to the subdivision or whatever the hell is planned there....honoring the dead.
Come to think of it.............who owns the land where the battle of Bull Run is on? hmmmm a permanent monument to whites, while a scene of violence BY whites on Indians is for sale??
 

Madhu Pillai (22)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 4:34 pm
Shame.. the land should belong to native Americans, everything sold for profit, even your soul!
 

Debbie Johnson (116)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 6:50 pm
Seems everything is fair game for profit these days. Nothing is sacred anymore. Shame. Truly a shame....
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 6:54 pm
Bloody wrong
 

Hartson Doak (32)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 7:10 pm
Appraised at thousands but is asking for millions. Sounds about right. another white man speaking with forked tongue.
 

Tom Edgar (56)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 7:44 pm
Whilst I agree the land should in perpetuity be Indian. I , as so often am I, appalled at the blatant hypocrisy of the American people. In your name and with the connivance of the British you stole the all the land & property of the people of Diego Garcia then in time honoured fashion herded the people out of their country into a totally foreign one without a nickel compensation. To this day the whole island is still an American Military Base. The rightful and legal owners banished forever. I dare say that, at a future date, if the island is no longer required then it too will be sold to the highest bidder.

There is also the many properties in "Israel" formerly owned by non Jews now expelled from their
homes and lands of many generations who can only watch as it is now parcelled up to followers of the Judaic faith. All with the support and acquiescence of the U S A. Was it not Jesus who said. "Hypocrisy is the greatest sin?"
 

Shawna S. (43)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 9:51 pm
what a slap in the face....shame, shame.
noted
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 10:44 pm
Thanks
 

Susanne R. (249)
Saturday May 4, 2013, 11:16 pm
James Czywczynski pretends to care about the significance of the land, but his only concern is making as much money as he possibly can.

He stated: “If they would just have taken $250,000 to million, they could have bought that property and owned it today. But, for some reason, they cannot see economic development and they cannot see tourism and they cannot relate. They want everything for free is what it amounts to I guess,” he said."

He's accusing the Oglala Sioux Tribe of trying to profit from the land? It was appraised at $7,000, and he's using its historical and ancestral significance to sell it for $250,000 to $1,000,000! He's a hypocrite and a liar!
 

Christeen Anderson (468)
Sunday May 5, 2013, 1:57 am
Awful news. Be careful, karma is a powerful thing.
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (272)
Sunday May 5, 2013, 3:01 am
Makes me sick
 

Helen Porter (41)
Sunday May 5, 2013, 3:40 am
This raises my Ire -ish!

Native people have had too much experience with the white man to plunge into debt it knows it cannot sustain as Obama does. I grieve for what may happen to their sacred land. Yet, I hope and visualize for a friend of the tribe to come forward and redeem the land.

May it be so.
 

Carmen Elisa Bonilla-Jones (1)
Sunday May 5, 2013, 5:54 am
As already posted on an earlier article about Wounded Knee. I do not understand how a white man with no affilation to the Oglala Sioux came to "own" the land? But I suggest that the tribe use the "white man's" law and claim eminant domain. Pay him the $10,000.00 the land is actually worth and throw him off the reservation!
 

Elizabeth Pugliese (8)
Sunday May 5, 2013, 6:08 am
Oh dear. If you are wondering how the land got sold in the first place, there is a Supreme Court case from the 1800s called "Lone Wolf" where the Court said the US was holding the land "in trust" for the Indians, therefore as trustees, they could sell it and use the money to make things better on the reservation. Ya think that is what really happened with the money? Yeah, if you want to know what happened to all the mineral rights on Indian land another big case that is STILL going on in the DC circuit involves the Bureau of Land Management. Appararently the records are so bad they can't even begin to account for what is owed to the tribes.
 

Mitchell D. (127)
Sunday May 5, 2013, 8:49 am
Very sad.
 

Elle B. (81)
Sunday May 5, 2013, 9:01 am
Vincent Schilling interviewed James Czywczynski. . .the conversation was published by Indian Country Today Media Network.com on April 30, 2013. . .

A Conversation With Wounded Knee Owner James Czywczynski
 

Kathy Niell (85)
Sunday May 5, 2013, 1:02 pm
If my recollection is correct, these lands, originally promised to the Oglala by the U.S. government in a treaty that removed them from much of their homeland, were taken back when gold was discovered. As far as I am concerned, the government should restore this land, which they stole.
 

Lynne Buckley (0)
Sunday May 5, 2013, 1:06 pm
Shameful. A very sad day for America.
 

Anna Undebeck (202)
Sunday May 5, 2013, 1:19 pm
Noted with anger and sadness :( Thank you Nancy!
 

Eternal Gardener (703)
Sunday May 5, 2013, 3:43 pm
How did this non-native person obtain the land in the first place? Is he soooo insensitive and dumb that he doesn't understand that these people don't do land as a commodity? Utter idiot!
 

Jennifer C. (172)
Sunday May 5, 2013, 4:54 pm
Thanks.
 

jo M. (3)
Sunday May 5, 2013, 6:29 pm
Maybe the land itself is so poor that it's only worth $250. an acre, but it obviously has historical worth of value to someone. The owner has no obligation to sell it for less to the Indians. The Cheyenne took the land from another tribe, the Sioux took it from the Cheyenne, the US took it from the Sioux. I don't see much distinction there. The Sioux possessed theland for about 100 years before being dispossessed, the US has had a longer possession of it now than the Sioux did. The government should buy the land and then allow the Indians to run it as a national monument, if that is legal.
 

Kayleigh Harter (9)
Sunday May 5, 2013, 6:38 pm
This land should be federally protected--I thought it was, as a matter of fact. It has far too much historical importance to be sold to the highest bidder.
 

Elizabeth M. (66)
Monday May 6, 2013, 10:33 am
I do blame the Oglala Sioux Tribe for not wanting to take out a bond as James Czywczynski suggested that he could have gotten one for them - Why should they go into debt for land that belongs to them?? As far as I am concerned the government should buy the land (and not at Czywczynski's outrageous price), and have the Sioux run it as a National Monument, as it has great historical importance.
This land should not be sold to the highest bidder just to make this man richer. And just the thought of Al Jazeera even thinking about this makes my stomach turn. (why do I feel this man is lying about that??).
Thank You Nancy - have already signed several petitions.
 

Teresa Cowley (273)
Wednesday May 8, 2013, 2:42 am
IMO, this land should go to the Native Americans--it's been theirs and it is theirs. Why should they have to "buy" it from this crook.
Very good, very interesting comments on this post!
Thanks Nancy.
 

Roxy H. (340)
Friday May 17, 2013, 2:12 pm
Thanks for the support #Idle No More!
 
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