Sunday November 8, 2009, 4:23 am
A very interesting story and one worth reading!
Thanks Simon.

Sunday November 8, 2009, 4:59 am
Yes.....Real interesting.
Quote from the article:
"We're not satisfied with him, and ... this hope and change rap has not been a reality for black people," Baron told AFP during the demonstration.

"We are glad that Barack Obama broke up the white male monopoly on the White House, but we were not looking for a change in the occupant of the White House from white to black, we were looking for change in foreign policies and domestic policies," he added.

"To have a black person exploiting me just like a white person, that's no easier pain."

I thought Obama was elected to serve "all" the people not just one paticular group.
And, why is race being brought into this? What does this war have to do with race?

The article clearly implies an agenda that does not include all in reality.

My questions & statements are based on freedom of speech guaranteed
by the Constitution of the United States!

Knock on wood-Plant trees for life....................

Sunday November 8, 2009, 6:20 am
B.M. wrote:

"I thought Obama was elected to serve "all" the people not just one paticular group."

Hmmm... currently, Obama is playing the role of every previous (white) president: serving the interests of the rich and powerful (the bourgeosie, the capitalist class, the major shareholders), and secondly, serving the more privileged ethnic group (white people), to the detriment of black people.

"And, why is race being brought into this? What does this war have to do with race?"

Huh? You are unaware of racism when it is not against you perhaps.... Well, it is pretty clear to many people outside the USA, that the USA is racist, with non-white people being disproportionately denied jobs, denied housing, impoverished, suffering police harassment and brutality, and imprisoned at much higher rates than white people, etc..

Also, it is pretty clear to many people outside the USA, that U.S. imperialism (including the USA's Africom in Africa, the U.S. blockade of Cuba, the U.S. aggression against Venezuela, and the U.S. terrorist military occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq, and attacks against people in Pakistan, etc.) is racist - its victims are non-white people, and much of the U.S. military is non-white people, because non-white people in the USA are disproportionately poor, and they have little other opportunity. And a few people inside the USA are aware of the USA's racism, too, as this article shows.

And Obama has done little or nothing to end this racism and bring equality to the USA, and to stop the racism that is U.S. imperialism throughout the world.

Sunday November 8, 2009, 6:22 am
You're welcome Raymond : )

Sunday November 8, 2009, 7:05 am

Thanks, Simon!

Sunday November 8, 2009, 7:42 am
You're welcome, Just Carole : )

Sunday November 8, 2009, 7:53 am
.Simon of all the people on Care2 I knew if I commented on this
you would be the very first to comment back.

Your comment doesn't hold alot of water anyway.

If a white & a black both qualified applied for a job,
who do you think would get the job? Think hard now.
And, blacks are on 12/13% of the population. There are
many other racial & ethnic groups vying for work
aside from blacks.

Denied housing!!!!!! Are you kidding me. Come to where
I live & let me personally show you what is being done
exclusively for housing blacks. Do come, I really
want you to see with your own eyes.

As far as being in impprisioned, well 70% of the major
crimes in America is comitted by blacks. Being
raggedy ass poor is no reason to murder another just
because........Want a test case for murder to open your
eyes & hopefully your heart to crime victims done by blacks,
trying reading about Gary Christian and Mary Newsom
or better known as the Knoxville Horror. The story
was kept under wraps from the news services & NBC, ABC
and CBS for fear of outrage. Or what about that Sowell
character in Cleveland Ohio. Darn, these murderers are all over
the place.

I can't say the war in Afganistan is racist, never thought
of it that way........Has more to do with oil than anything
else.

If any one group have suffered dearly at the hand of
whites it is the Native American indian. But, the indians
have passively sat on the curb watching all the riots
go down from the 60', 70's, 80's, and 90's.

The Obama "White Power is Black Face" is as racist as
as anything I've seen in recent memory & to think these
blacks are going after the man they thought was going to
exclusively do everything just for them because of 125
years ago.

One can not & should not vote exclusively based on the
color of the person running for an elected position because
you may not get what you thought. Afterall, how much did
Bush or his predecessors do for me or anyone else?
Nothing much to talk about..........

Seems the people were snared with promises & a big smile
back then as we were with the Messiah himself.

We've been fooled & had.........And the blacks should be
able to see that now.

My free speech comment guaranted by the Constitution
of the United States.............We agree to peacfully disagree. G.R.I.N.

Knock on wood-Plant trees for life..................

Sunday November 8, 2009, 10:06 am
B.M., why do you keep saying "knock on wood"? That sounds like you are trying to be nasty to me to provoke me.

B.M. wrote:

"Simon of all the people on Care2 I knew if I commented on this
you would be the very first to comment back."

What do you expect? I posted the news article. Of course I commented back - I got a Care2 network message from you saying that you had commented here!!! Please don't scrape around trying to find things to criticise me about - that looks like a PERSONAL ATTACK.

"If a white & a black both qualified applied for a job,
who do you think would get the job?"

Statistically, the average white person is more likely to get a job than the average black person. As I said, black people are DISPROPORTIONATELY denied jobs - out of proportion to their % in the population. Don't you understand statistics??? This is easily explained by the fact that more bosses prefer to employ white people than black people - because more bosses are racist against black people (perhaps most of those bosses who prefer white workers are white, racist, bosses?).

Apparently you treat the capitalist media and anecdotal evidence as "proof" that "black people are not discriminated against when they try to get a job", and apparently you are unaware that a higher % of the black population are unemployed, compared with the white population.

"Denied housing!!!!!! Are you kidding me. Come to where
I live & let me personally show you what is being done
exclusively for housing blacks. Do come, I really
want you to see with your own eyes."

I have been to the USA. It was full of inequality, racism and violence, and I don't want to return. And don't expect me to return unless you pay for my travel, accomodation and food, etc. - working class people like me can't just travel overseas on a whim - apparently you are so privileged and rich that you think nothing of such extravagance.

Anyway, I am aware of the statistics. Apparently you treat the capitalist media and anecdotal evidence as "proof" that "black people are not discriminated against when they try to rent accomodation", and apparently you are unaware that a higher % of the black population are homeless compared with the white population.

"As far as being in impprisioned, well 70% of the major
crimes in America is comitted by blacks."

I am aware of the statistics. I have never heard that "70%" statistic. That sounds like a racist lie against black people. What I do know is that black people suffer more police harassment and brutality than white people suffer (whether the victim of police abuse is guilty or innocent, police harassment and brutality is a human rights violation). I also know that when suspects are taken to court, black people are found guilty more often compared with white people, black people are given harsher sentences for committing the same crimes as white people, and black people are given the death penalty more often for the committing the same crimes as white people.

Most black people are in prison either for crimes they didn't commit, or for "crimes" of selling drugs or stealing - both of which they do because of poverty and lack of opportunities.

Anyway, the mere fact that a higher % of black people are unemployed, are poor, are homeless, are drugged with psychiatric "medications" by schools, are convicted for crimes, etc., shows that the U.S. system is racist, and ANYONE WHO CLAIMS THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE INHERENTLY CRIMINAL, OR WHATEVER OTHER VICTIM-BLAMING EXCUSE THEY GIVE TO THOSE STATISTICS, IS BEING RACIST. ANYONE WHO DEFENDS THAT RACIST SYSTEM IS BEING RACIST.

The USA has 10x the murder rate that Australia has (about 11,000 for a population of about 300 million, compared with about 80 for a population of about 20 million). As all statistics I use, this statistic takes into account the population difference. (All RATES are relative to population size - the U.S. education system apparently doesn't teach you statistics in maths class. Pathetic.) Clearly there is a problem with the U.S. system. And if you blame it on black people, for their genes or something, then you are being RACIST. The problem is the system - the way racism gives more opportunity to white people, and gives less opportunity to black people, thus forcing black people to choose crime to survive (and if they want more than mere survival, and actually want to live like privileged white people live).

" Sunday November 8, 2009, 7:53 am
.Simon of all the people on Care2 I knew if I commented on this
you would be the very first to comment back.

Your comment doesn't hold alot of water anyway.

If a white & a black both qualified applied for a job,
who do you think would get the job? Think hard now.
And, blacks are on 12/13% of the population. There are
many other racial & ethnic groups vying for work
aside from blacks.

Denied housing!!!!!! Are you kidding me. Come to where
I live & let me personally show you what is being done
exclusively for housing blacks. Do come, I really
want you to see with your own eyes.

As far as being in impprisioned, well 70% of the major
crimes in America is comitted by blacks. Being
raggedy ass poor is no reason to murder another just
because........Want a test case for murder to open your
eyes & hopefully your heart to crime victims done by blacks,
trying reading about Gary Christian and Mary Newsom
or better known as the Knoxville Horror. The story
was kept under wraps from the news services & NBC, ABC
and CBS for fear of outrage. Or what about that Sowell
character in Cleveland Ohio. Darn, these murderers are all over
the place.

I can't say the war in Afganistan is racist, never thought
of it that way........Has more to do with oil than anything
else."

As I said, you are unaware of racism when it is not against you perhaps....

The people dying from the wars you voted for by electing capitalist politicians (or allowed to happen by not voting), and that you support with your taxes, are mostly non-white. That is called "racism". If you look it up in the dictionary, you might learn something.

Oil? Yes, the mostly white U.S. capitalist class wants control of NON-WHITE people's oil. Get it yet???

And the ideology of imperialism is blatantly racist: "go in and kill the non-white people because they are terrorists, crazy extremists, dangerous, blah, blah, blah, and bring civilisation (democracy) to the barbarians". They already had democracy. All the USA brought was support for fundamentalist mullahs and rich landlords in the 1970s, arming and training them to wage war against the fledgling progressive government that the majority of Afghan people had begun. And you have been intefering and destroying their society ever since. YOUR USA HAS BEEN CAMPAIGNING AGAINST DEMOCRACY.

"If any one group have suffered dearly at the hand of
whites it is the Native American indian. But, the indians
have passively sat on the curb watching all the riots
go down from the 60', 70's, 80's, and 90's."

Untrue. Indigenous Americans have been campaigning for their rights. Apparently B.M. never learnt about the A.I.M. (American Indian Movement), the Mohawk uprising, the Republic of Lakotah, etc.. Even I, a citizen of Australia have seen the film "Lakota Woman". Apparently B.M. never bothered seeing it, and yet it was made in the USA!!!

"The Obama "White Power is Black Face" is as racist as
as anything I've seen in recent memory & to think these
blacks are going after the man they thought was going to
exclusively do everything just for them because of 125
years ago."

The title is "Obama 'white power IN black face' ". That is not racist. That merely describes the fact that Obama represents white power.

You have no evidence that they thought Obama "was going to
exclusively do everything just for them because of 125
years ago"

You IMAGINED that they thought that. In reality, all they are asking for is that Obama bring equality to the USA, ending the privileged treatment that has been given to white people for 500 years until now in the Americas, as shown by the statistics of inequality between the different ethnic groups in the USA.

"One can not & should not vote exclusively based on the
color of the person running for an elected position because
you may not get what you thought. Afterall, how much did
Bush or his predecessors do for me or anyone else?
Nothing much to talk about.......... "

Assuming you are white, you got more from Bush than black people got: you got to keep your privileges - privileges that black people have never had.

"The blacks"? That sounds racist. They are "black PEOPLE".

You are free to say racist stuff in your discussion face to face with people, but you are not free to say racist stuff IN CARE2, according to the Care2 Code of Conduct.

Sunday November 8, 2009, 11:26 am
Simon........It is not a personal attack of any kind.
I'm familiar with your liberal heart. That is your perogative
as it would be with anyone who comments anywhere.

It is highly inconceivable anything comment on will
change the course of history or cause anyone to jump
off a bridge. So, please do not muscontrue my comments
as anything other than what they are.

Knock on wood for your information
means good luck........I've been questioned on this
before and I'm surprised anyone doesn't know that.
Haven't you ever heard, seen in print this little phrase?????
Heavens...........Don't be so touchy!!

Knock on wood-Plant trees for life........
.Without trees we all would be living on a round desert!

Sunday November 8, 2009, 11:31 am
I'm no privileged at all.........Read on:

My monthly income is $700.00.......That comes to
roughly $5,000 a year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And, I do survive trust me.

Knock on wood-Plant trees for life.........

Sunday November 8, 2009, 11:42 am
And, I forgot to put this in my last comment'
my rent is $500.00 per month that leaves me $200.00 to work with.
And........I can prove/document every word in this
and my last post.

And.......I ask for no pity, sorrow or sympathy.
I'm very happy with two great kids who are doing ok.
What more could anyone ask for?

Knock on wood-Plant trees for life..................

Sunday November 8, 2009, 4:46 pm
Hi Simon, Im sorry i have to speak out here.
You simply cannot appologise can you B. M. what worries me, is that the reason you cannot say sorry, is that you think you are above appologising. Or if there is a another reason please explain, because that attitute is lossed on us, it is alien. We dont understand it. is it in the Talmud somewhere or is it cultural conditioning ?

Sunday November 8, 2009, 5:15 pm
I thought Knock on Wood was a song...LOL I love that song...

Simon Not smart enough to commenty logically on this post but I read and noted sweets...

Big gorilly Hugs

Sunday November 8, 2009, 11:34 pm
Pete, surely you are not suggesting that BM has anything to apologize for?

It seems a pathetically small group of people in the march. Guess the rest of the black people are content with "white power in black face."

Obama is not a dictator. He can not end racism. He does not make law. It is not his place to end racism, that is every individual's choice, to be or not to be racist. We have many laws in the US that fight discrimination and opportunities are available to people of every creed and color. Some just seem to have cultural values that make it easier for them to succeed. If some black people are dissatisfied with their lot in life, I would suggest they look within for the answers to their problems, and stop trying to blame racism for their own failures.

I'm sorry you had such a lousy visit to the US, Simon. I'm not really surprised though. Did you come with an open mind, or did you come to fulfill your preconceived notions of how horrible the US and all it's people are?

Monday November 9, 2009, 12:38 am
Donni. Yes - for a lot more than what is on show here.But if people are going to use sayings or songs that have peoples surnames in them and it has caused concern, an appology is ussually expected, it is common curtisy. granted she did explain her use, but that just looks like an excuse to continue saying it, without any recognition of the other persons feelings.

Monday November 9, 2009, 12:58 am
Knock on wood - Idiom Definition - UsingEnglish.com
Aug 6, 2009 ... Knock on wood - English Idiom Definition. ... Idiom Definitions for 'Knock on wood'. This idiom is used to wish for good luck. ...
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TY Donni..........Yes, blacks as a whole need to look deep into
themselves as much as has been ask of us..

If I were to apologize it would be a clear indication I would
be putting my foot as well as my whole leg down my throat.
And, truly blacks need to look deep into their own hearts
for what they believe in that really contradicts what they
often preach.

Also, in a hundred years from now no one will ever care
or know what you think or say anymore than my own words.


Knock on wood-Plant trees for life.......

Monday November 9, 2009, 1:59 am
"Plant trees for life........
.Without trees we all would be living on a round desert! "

If you capitalists didn't cut the trees down in the first place, you wouldn't have to plant any!

These petty individualist solutions involve very few people and achieve very little. We can make grand solutions, like they do in Cuba, where the socialist revolution has doubled Cuba's forest cover since it began in 1959.

Monday November 9, 2009, 2:33 am
B.M. wrote:

"I'm no privileged at all.........Read on:

My monthly income is $700.00.......That comes to
roughly $5,000 a year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And, I do survive trust me."

That doesn't mean you're not privileged. Privilege is something that is IN RELATION TO OTHER PEOPLE. If you are white, then you are privileged above black people and Indigenous people.

If you were black or Indigenous, you'd probably be homeless, drug addicted or alcoholic, in prison, or dead, because of the way the system oppresses black and Indigenous people.

B.M. wrote:

"Yes, blacks as a whole need to look deep into
themselves as much as has been ask of us.."

"Need" is a subjective idea - each person chooses their own values, their own ideas about what is "needed" in the world. Unlike SCIENCE AND OBJECTIVE FACTS, values (including "needs") cannot be proven, because they are subjective. Therefore it is pointless to even discuss "needs".

I suggest that we discuss sicence and objective facts instead, because we can prove these, and so we can all come to agreement on these.

E.g. it is a fact that white people enslaved black people, submitting them to a regime of hundreds of years, many generations, of psychological trauma which continues until now. And the beneficiaries of this were white people, who gained both wealth and a privileged status in society, which continues to a large extent even now.

And it is a fact that black people thus have a handicap in society, because of psychological dysfunctions inherited from dysfunctional families caused by that system of slavery, (and then caused by KKK, lynching, whites violently preventing black people voting, etc.), and because of stereotyping and discrimination by individual white people, and because of institutionalised stereotyping and discrimination (e.g. real estate people reject black people because white prejudice makes house prices go down in neighbourhoods where black people move in), and because of other reasons, too.

And therefore, if we are to ensure human rights for everyone, as well as equality, and meaningful freedom and democracy (by enabling people the time and information to participate in democracy, as well as the economic power to exercise freedom of the press), then we must take back the wealth (and the wealth that grew from that wealth) that white people stole from black people's labour and give it to the true heirs of those black slaves who created that wealth, we must copy the Cuban Revolution's successful anti-racism programs, and we must use all of society's resources (not only black people's resources) to give support to those black people who have not yet overcome the dysfunctions which white oppression has caused to their families.

B.M. wrote: "If I were to apologize it would be a clear indication I would
be putting my foot as well as my whole leg down my throat.
And, truly blacks need to look deep into their own hearts
for what they believe in that really contradicts what they
often preach."

When you blame victims for their oppression, you are expressing a FASCIST WAY OF THINKING. I recommend that you take a look at YOURSELF.

B.M. wrote: "Also, in a hundred years from now no one will ever care
or know what you think or say anymore than my own words."

That is no excuse for saying racist things, B.M.. Your racist words are destructive.

Monday November 9, 2009, 2:41 am
PS, B.M., if you have a problem with black people, then the appropriate people to tell is BLACK PEOPLE, not other people. Apparently no black people have responded to what you wrote here. Telling other people negative things about black people is just gossiping, and gossip is destructive. Heh, I wouldn't like to be you telling black people that racist stuff you told us here. Sounds like a dangerous proposition to say such things to people.

By the way, I posted this article to urge the people in Care2 (of whatever ethnicity), to stop supporting Obama, and start supporting Green and socialist politics: the politics of peace, equality, human rights, etc.. This is not an invitation to start a racist rant against any group of people.

Monday November 9, 2009, 2:44 am
Blame oppressed people for their oppression, and you can expect them to be angry at you - and when I am around, you can expect me and other socialists to get angry at you too, because we stand in solidarity with all oppressed people.

Monday November 9, 2009, 2:50 am
Gorily Girl, I am sorry for criticing you about your spelling in that mutiny thread. I think we are pretty much on the same side, and what I was angry at you about was that I thought you were blaming a Muslim mutineer for the anti-Muslim persecution which bigoted people might do in response to his mutiny.

I am sorry that I did not respond to what I was actually angry about.

Please forgive me for criticising you about your spelling?

Monday November 9, 2009, 4:47 am
You can be as angry as you want & therefore I have that right
as well..........It works both ways.

And, since I believe you are a social worker in England
you are not nearly as fair to all as you are to only one.
Also, don't you believe in two points of views/opinions?
If not then you stuffing your foot in your very contradictory
comments/mouth.

Both of us are reading the others comments on here,
and then what?........It is nothing more than what
it is, a comment. It is not going to change what started
the thread in the first place. And, name calling is a very
childish/immature way to go!!

Knock on wood-Plant trees for life....................

Monday November 9, 2009, 5:16 am
Simon......There are several areas where people
have mild to extreme convictions about & can not
discuss it without conflict in opinion:

Race
Abortion
Global Warming
Politics
Religion

All five of these subjects we each hold strong
varying opinions on.
So, if you hold off on the slander we may get somewhere.
I'm much older than you are.......And, have seen, heard
and read much more than you. So be nice now.

It works....................

Knock on wood-Plant trees for life.........................

Monday November 9, 2009, 5:37 am
B.M. wrote: "Maybe Cuba is your utopia."

Cuba is a great place - very democratic, egalitarian, with plenty of human rights and the people there treat nature better than the people in any capitalist country do. I intend to live there in the future.

Only people who ignorantly believe the capitalist media's anti-socialist propaganda believe that Cuba is undemocratic, oppressive, etc..

Monday November 9, 2009, 5:44 am
B.M. wrote:

"Simon......There are several areas where people
have mild to extreme convictions about & can not
discuss it without conflict in opinion:

Race
Abortion
Global Warming
Politics
Religion

All five of these subjects we each hold strong
varying opinions on.
So, if you hold off on the slander we may get somewhere.
I'm much older than you are.......And, have seen, heard
and read much more than you. So be nice now.

It works....................

Knock on wood-Plant trees for life........................."

"Nice"? Apparently "nice" means not exposing your racist propaganda. Well, I am not committed to that. I am committed to the truth, because it is the truth that is healthy, and the capitalist, racist propaganda that you help spread that is destructive, fooling ignorant people into causing harm to the world, causing suffering to billions of people.

Yeah, maybe you learnt more - but only capitalist racist propaganda (including anecdotes from your own life that you interpreted through your capitalist racist beliefs to justify your own beliefs).

As for these things:

"Race
Abortion
Global Warming
Politics
Religion"

Well, I discuss those things and all other things scientifically, giving evidence. I don't bother with opinions and other subjective stuff, because they are a waste of time.

Monday November 9, 2009, 5:47 am
I guess I am either completely stupid or having hears and reading issues. One of the MANY GOOD THINGS President Obama has done is to try and put a halt to racism, oppression, for all people! He SUPPORTS all whatever their background, ethnicity, color of skin, religious beliefs, and so forth. If you look at his cabinet, there you see Hillary, Secretary of State, a woman, in which the President had nominated several women into his cabinet, along with Latino's, Caucasians, Black Americans, and more. If anything, my own opinion is that he is trying more than ever to dismiss the racism, and has even talked about it and been able to give views on things that happen due to racism, and wants to dispel them. Of course, that is how I see it, and I realize we all have our opinions, so this is my view. I respect all that post, for all of should be open here to express our opinions.

Monday November 9, 2009, 5:53 am
B.M. wrote:

"You can be as angry as you want & therefore I have that right
as well..........It works both ways.

And, since I believe you are a social worker in England
you are not nearly as fair to all as you are to only one.
Also, don't you believe in two points of views/opinions?
If not then you stuffing your foot in your very contradictory
comments/mouth.

Both of us are reading the others comments on here,
and then what?........It is nothing more than what
it is, a comment. It is not going to change what started
the thread in the first place. And, name calling is a very
childish/immature way to go!!

Knock on wood-Plant trees for life.................... "

I don't live in England, nor am I a social worker. What a weird thing for you to say! You must have confused me with someone else - just like you have confused many other facts with your mistaken beliefs.

Ha! I believe in the truth, as supported by evidence, with a scientific approach.The scientific approach gives us facts, not opinions. Opinions are merely beliefs without evidence, with a whole lot of unproveable values mixed in. With evidence, we can find the truth, we can see reality as it is. There are no "2 or more truths". What, the world is a sphere and also a flat disc supported by 4 giant elephants? NOOOOO, there is only one reality - and anyone who believes things against the evidence of reality is not in touch with reality and is DELUDED.

I am writing thos mainly for other people, debating against your nonsense, B.M., in order to convince other people. I think you won't listen, so I don't really care if you change your mind or not.

And contrary to your weird beliefs, words do actually make a differenc - changing people's thinking about things is the only way to change what they do. If we are to change the world, it is vital to change people's thinking.

Monday November 9, 2009, 6:03 am
Having read some of the 'warm' comments about President Obama, I can only conclude that America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization inbetween.

Monday November 9, 2009, 6:04 am
Hi Pam Rhia S.,

even Bush had women, Black people and Asian and Latino people in his administration. That did not mean that the rest of his policies were egalitarian. The same goes for Obama.

Ending racism would require the type of policies carried out in Cuba: e.g an end to racism in the media (democratic government takeover of the media would probably be necessary to achieve this, or at least a much more regulated media, as in Venezuela),

e.g. a program of government funding for films and cultural events, etc., which promote egalitarianism and appreciation of diversity,

e.g. government programs in schools and neighbourhoods to refeat racism,

e.g. free health care, free education at all levels, a program to end adult illiteracy, and guaranteed housing and income for all people (this would benefit the more oppressed, exploited and impoverished people, who are disproportionately black)

e.g. a democratisation of all workplaces, to end the concentration of power in the hands of white people (mainly white men)

and e.g. perhaps most importantly, an end to all U.S. imperialist wars, because they are an aggression and oppression against non-white people, plundering their countries for wealth and for power, and they disproportionately recruit non-white people as cannon fodder in the imperialist U.S. military.

Monday November 9, 2009, 6:20 am
B.M. wrote:

"I believe you live in England. Right?"

Yes, I guess B.M. believes that, but NOOOOO, I don't live in England.

"Well, Prince Charles has gone all our to try & convince citizens
to plant trees & conserve what is left of the forested areas in England."

So? He could do alot more with all his wealth and power.

"So, there are capilatlist all over the world, even China is getting
very capaltalistic. Right?!"

Yes, China is capitalist - that is old news. However, the new news is that the people of Latin America and Nepal are making their countries more and more socialist.

"But, this is getting away from the topic of this thread right?

Blacks in America have every advantage financially, educationally
and socially to get ahead to whatever goal they may have in mind."

That is a lie. B.M. is apparently quite divorced from reality. A quick trip to most black neighbourhoods and a talk with most black people will give you the reality quick smart.

"However, blacks carry a bible in one hand & a gun in the other
to seemingly make their point of I want & not so much need"

That is racist.

"Force with a weapon or force by guilt tripping the white population is wearing
extremely thin.......It is getting old."

Racist denial of the racist oppression that white society carries out upon black people.

"And, yet blacks in this particular
protects are yet again hitting whites over the head with a round about
racial slur at the president of all people!! In a sense they have no couth
or sense of dignity."

It is not a racial slur. So, calling a black man an "Uncle Tom"(a black man who serves teh interests of white people to get a little privilege instead of standing up for black rights) is a racial slur? So Malcolm X was a racist for saying such things, too? B.M. is really divorced from reality.

"Most ordinary blacks need to step real far away from the likes of
Sharpton, remove the racial hook from their nose and think for
themselves................Sharpton has done worn out his racial
power slamming.."

As I already explained, "need" is subjective, so you have poved nothing, but your own judgemental attitude against black people when they stand up for equality and when they stand up against racist oppression and imperialism.

"If this so called protest kept out the figurative race/name calling
I would not have commented at all."

B.M. is claiming that when a person says Obama is acting for white interests, they are "name calling", as if it is a destructive thing. Telling the truth about Obama's policies is not destructive. It is part of the way forward to equality. But for racists, who fear black people gaining equality, it is scary, so the racists slander people who expose the truth.

"Even I have a color but don't use it against me or other people
to make a point!!!!!!"

If you are white, you are privileged. That is all I said, wasn't it?

I am white and therefore I am privileged. I have the courage to admit it. DO YOU???

Monday November 9, 2009, 6:36 am
Simon Wood I am sending you a GREEN STAR. Care2 refuse to let me send u more than one a week. Your Words Rock. More Americans like u would make the world a PEACEFUL place to live in for ALL THE PEOPLE of the WORLDS irrelevant of colour,race or religion.

Down With WARS - coz WARS only DESTROY GOD GIVEN LIVES for the sake of a Handful of Ignorant, Selfish and Greedy Humans.

Monday November 9, 2009, 10:55 am
Simon.......I was on Care2 a number of years ago,
something like eight to ten. And I recall you all too
well & your personal thoughts scientific or not.
I especially remembered your picture. So, I
do not have you mixed up with anyone else.
Like all people who comment you do have an
modis operanda in your writing style that
is hard to forget. S.M.I.L.E.

Here is wishing you all the luck in the world,
and I'm sure life will be better when Fidel and
his brother vanish. Maybe you can boat over
to Florida.......It's only 90 miles away. G.R.I.N.

I do agree words do change peoples
thinking...........There is power in how one words
a message & Obama sure got one from this group.
And the racism sgould have been kept out of it!!!!

Knock on wood-Plant trees for life...........

Monday November 9, 2009, 7:55 pm
"Even I have a color but don't use it against me or other people
to make a point!!!!!!"

Simon Sez:

If you are white, you are privileged. That is all I said, wasn't it?

I am white and therefore I am privileged. I have the courage to admit it. DO YOU???

I did not choose my skin color. I do not feel privileged nor have I ever felt that way.
And, I've never been treated as such. If you feel privileged just because your
parents made you white then that is on you......Not me!!!

You've choosen to keep patronizing blacks as long as I've ever read your
comments. So be it. But, I'm not priviliged enough to get out there and
make a fool of myself for a people who would shoot me as soon as not
for what they think they see in my color..........Nothing more than a white body.
Never mind that my color does not denote the struggles I've faced or
many of my kind.

Back to the topic........Blacks can not keep hammering away at color,
if they want "RESPECT" & get rid of the "FEAR"they had better use
intelligent tactics toaccomplish their goals such as keeping racist remarks
out of things like this sign. The wording is as insulting to every white person
as it would be in reverse. This sign come off as a slap on one side
of the face to whites & and a kiss on the other for Obama.
And, this sign scorches Obama for what he is, biracial. And, yet blacks
see him as 100% black.

Talk about contradictions in trying to obtain a goal........
Finally, I've never known of science to put human emotions,
feeling or thoughts under a microscope. Is that what you do?

Knock on wood-Plant trees ffor life.

Monday November 9, 2009, 10:40 pm
B.M. claims that I am a social worker in the U.K..

I live in Australia, and I have been living here since I was born here 1976 (aside from a backpacking trip around the world in 1984), and I have never been a social worker in the UK.

DON'T LIE ABOUT ME, B.M.!!!

Monday November 9, 2009, 10:41 pm
I have never been a scial worker ANYWHERE.

DON'T SPREAD LIES ABOUT ME, B.M.!!!

Monday November 9, 2009, 11:05 pm
B.M. wrote:

"Finally, I've never known of science to put human emotions,
feeling or thoughts under a microscope. Is that what you do?"

It's pretty pathetic when someone from a first world country has never heard of psychology or sociology or anthropology, etc., before. The U.S. education system must be worse than I heard!!!

In reply to what else B.M. wrote:

People who are white are privileged whether they "feel it" or not. The statistics of inequality between white people and black people (with white people privuileged and black people oppressed) in the USA make this very clear. E.g. the differences between white people and black people in average wealth, percent of each ethnic group in jobs, average level of education, percent of population put in prison, rate of conviction in court trials, average sentences given to each ethnic group, chance of schools making children of each ethnicity take harmful psychiatric medication, rate of recruitment as cannon fodder in the military, etc., etc..

B.M. implied that when I say "I am privileged", that I "feel superior to non-white people". (This is a slander against me, a personal attack against me.) I do not claim to be superior to anyone due to my ethnicity, or "race" or "skin color".

B.M. slandered me by claiming that I patronised black people.

B.M. patronises black people by calling them "blacks", in racist South African style, as if black people are not people, instead of treating black people with the respect of calling black people, "black people".

B.M. says racist things against black people by criticising them AS A GROUP, as if black people are "all the same".

B.M. says racist things against black people by scapegoating black people, blaming black people for society's problems.

B.M. also claims that oppression against black people does not exist, claiming that black people have advantages, implying that other people are disadvantaged in comparison with black people.

B.M. also says racist things when she claims that racial inequality (with white people privileged and black people oppressed) does not exist in the USA.

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 6:36 am
Simon......In all there years I've been on line
never have I encountered anyone who is as far
out on the deep end of a tree limb as you.

Utterly pathetic, misguided & warped thinking
in your last response to my last post.

Apparently you've missed your calling in life.
Perhaps you can pack a gun in one hand & wave
a bible in the other hand air & go to where people
need your kind of help the most.

Purely a suggestion here, go to Sudan/Darfur or to
Mugabe's Zimbawe.............Those people really need
help.They need something.

Forget about Cuba, according to you they are doing
great under Fidel & his brother's regime.

Knock on wood-Plant trees for life.................

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 6:48 pm
Simon has lived in Australia as long as we have been in contact.
He has always demonstarted care for people in the world who have had a rubbish deal, but he is not a socal worker. But he would make an excellent one.
Cubas is doing very well the people love their leadership, as in many other socialist south American countries
Sudan could prosper if we were not all stuggling to own the resourses there. It has been an isalmic country for centuaries and it is another case of western intrusion which is creating the problems.
Mugabe well you win on that one, but nobody here support his ideology or his little square moustach.
So Bmu what is it you stand for ?

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 7:50 pm
Well Pete........It is nice to be written to in a not so
accuatory disresptful manner & I stand to be corrected
on where Simon is from, it is Australia. Thank you for
refreshing my memory.

As for Sudan it is being infiltrated by islamic nomads
and they are all over the place in Darfur. Who/what are these
western intrusions you speak of?

What do I stand for?
That is a vast question. S.M.I.L.E.

First of all & most importantly I be given
the right by this particular thread host
to speak my peace no matter how it seems
to him........Without slandering retaliatory
remarks or put downs.

Also, black in America are not nearly as bad off
as they would have others believe or try hard to
lead others to believe. And, Obama knows this.

Because the world has 6.8 billion humans the
logic is there will always be more of the poor
than the middle class or rich. And, that is just
plain common sense. I'm very poor but because
of my age I accept it as long as my kids are
ok & my rent is paid.
The race card no longer applies......To call anyone
a racist is passe' & guilt tripping for mistreatment
of long ago. People get very put out by being called
unjustified names when at least over the internet
it makes even less sense when one knows
next to nothing of the other person or the history
of their life.
I could go into a very long sad tale of my life &
all the reasons for my personal poverty but
that has nothing to do with this topic per se.

And, it is very interesting Simon seems to
ignore the plight of the Australian aborigines
as opposed to blacks. There are very few
blacks in Australia as I understand it.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

And, I do appreciate your generously worded
note.........It comes across as decent & respectful

Finally, blacks in America have gone way beyond
bullying for what they want never mind need.
When the likes of Al Sharpton stop interfferring
and unjustly accuse whites of racism then
and only then will real progress be made.
(Read the Tawana Brawley case.)

So, thank you very much for your comments.

Knock on wood-Plant trees for life....................

Wednesday November 11, 2009, 1:40 am
Unlike B.M., I campaign in solidarity with my Black cousins (e.g. Indigenous people in Australia) against racism in the country where I live.

Contrary to B.M.'s slander against me, I don't "ignore Indigenous people in Australia". I support the campaigns for equal rights of Indigenous people and all other oppressed people, in every country.

Solidarity with my oppressed cousins, and the campaign against oppression, are not limited by borders.

The USA is the world's only superpower, the USA is the main imperialist nation, and the USA is the country that causes the most death, destruction and suffering in the world today. Plus the majority of Care2 members are citizens of the USA.

For these reasons, when in Care2, I focus on exposing the lies of the USA's imperialist propaganda, to encourage U.S. citizens to take control of their government, to end the imperialist plunder of the Third World, the death, destruction and suffering, and to start campaigning in solidarity with the oppressed people of the world, as the revolutionary people of Cuba and Venezuela do. If the citizens of the USA do this, then millions of lives will be saved each year, and billions of people will be able to free themselves from the dozens of oppressive U.S. puppet regimes and keep their wealth and so get out of poverty.

Wednesday November 11, 2009, 1:46 am
Thankyou for your kind words, Pete O, and good on you for speaking the truth about the world : )

Wednesday November 11, 2009, 5:11 am
Simon.......I know why you enjoy/tolerate my
comments so much........My comments
gives you every cause to espouse your
undying devotion to the oppressed.

Aint I right! G.R.I.N

And if I were a personal friend of yours
I'd fire off a registered letter to the
Vatican to nominate you for sainthood.

There would be only one problem with you
being a saint. After you entered the kingdom
of heaven you'd start riots complaining there
were not enough blacks or other minoritys
as saints.......Or just maybe you can do that
now.........If I were you I'd get busy making
a sign & fly off to march around Italy & the
Vatican........Can you imagine the press
coverage you could generate!!!!

The Vatican could use a few good saints since
they have been morally corrupt since day one.

Heavens!......I've strayed from the topic! Shame on
me.
Blacks need to stop being as racist as they seem
to think we are. And, I suspect these protesters
want every black who is in Afganistan to come home &
never mind the other soldiers there.
Of course I can't prove that.

Well Simon........You be good now & do get ready
for sainthood.

Knock on wood-Plant trees for life...................

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