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The Crucifixion of Tomas Young

Society & Culture  (tags: chris hedges, 911 attacks, afghanistan, afghanistan war, iraq, iraq war, veterans, military, september 11 attacks, tomas young, war, war inquiry, war on terror, war wounded )

- 1926 days ago -
I flew to KC last week to see Tomas Young. Young was paralyzed in Iraq in 2004. He is now receiving hospice care at his home. I knew him by reputation and the movie documentary "Body of War." He was one of the first veterans to publicly oppose the war

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Sheryl G (360)
Tuesday March 12, 2013, 9:53 pm
This is so sad, so very very tragic, and didn't have to be. Damn them all in Washington for allowing this to happen to so many of our citizens and the ones who suffer over in Iraq.

Do you care former President Bush? Do any of you care? Cheney? Rumsfield? Colin Powell? And the rest who had a hand into this. You murder, pillage, and drain economies and you don't loose a nights sleep it seems. You and your buddies make more money and laugh all the way to the bank and up at your Fathers home in Maine riding in boats and just enjoying life, while people suffer due to your actions and LIES.

He did not oppose the Afghanistan war. “In fact, if I had been injured in Afghanistan, there would be no ‘Body of War’ movie to begin with,” he said. But he never understood the call to invade Iraq. “When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor we didn’t invade China just because they looked the same,” he said.

He became increasingly depressed about his impending deployment to Iraq when he was in basic training at Fort Benning, Ga. He asked the battalion doctor for antidepressants. The doctor said he had to meet first with the unit’s chaplain, who told him, “I think you will be happier when you get over to Iraq and start killing Iraqis.”

“I was dumbstruck by his response,” Young said.

From the article:

Young will die for our sins.

He will die for a war that should never have been fought.

He will die for the lies of politicians.

He will die for war profiteers.

He will die for the careers of generals.

He will die for a cheerleader press.

He will die for a complacent public that made war possible.

He bore all this upon his body. He was crucified. And there are hundreds of thousands of other crucified bodies like his in Baghdad and Kandahar and Peshawar and Walter Reed medical center. Mangled bodies and corpses, broken dreams, unending grief, betrayal, corporate profit, these are the true products of war.

Tomas Young is the face of war they do not want you to see.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Edmund Burke

And if the reader didn't do something to stop this, anything at all, by calling their Representatives, writing to them, standing out with a Stop War sign, join a protest group, if you didn't do anything to speak out, no matter how small the effort, how low the voice then this shame falls upon us all.

“In a free society, some are guilty but all are responsible” Rabbi Abraham Herschel

I will send this around, we all need reminders. When I can't get signatures on a C2 petition against the war yet a petition to save an animal reached the level I was seeking in a matter of weeks while my petition languished for a year, the people in this Country need all these reminders they can get. Is ok to be passionate about animals, but we should not forget about each other too. That children died in Iraq and this young man is only 33 years old and has been suffering since his twenties, his life cut far too short, and dying is something to look forward to in order to get out of the hell he is in today.


Stand outside with your signs, write, call, speak up, or there will be Iran or some other LIE to get into that kills the Spirit of a Nation and each individual that faces the worst due to our lack and our apathy.

Judy C (97)
Wednesday March 13, 2013, 1:40 am
Thanks so much for your comment, Dandelion. I don't understand either, why some people seem relatively indifferent to the suffering of those affected or killed by war. This man's story broke my heart, especially in light of how he fought, and how functional he was before his blood clot and pulmonary embolism, and subsequent complications. I sign every petition against war, and speak out against it any way I can, whenever I get the chance. It's sickening to see this country on an endless killing spree that's conducted under the excuse of a war on terror. It's an endless war, with no clearly defined enemy, and no objectives. How would we know if we had won that war? We are our own enemy, and we're some of the biggest terrorists in the world. Then we wonder why some countries' people hate us! We are also bankrupting ourselves and enriching the Masters of War in the process.

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday March 20, 2013, 9:26 am
"We are our own enemy, and we're some of the biggest terrorists in the world. Then we wonder why some countries' people hate us! "
Nothing to add to this and to Sheryl's comment! However, this applies not solely to the US, ALL countries which participate/d in one way or another are just as guilty.

Kit B (276)
Friday March 22, 2013, 6:15 pm

"We need to decide that we will not go to war, whatever reason is conjured up by the politicians or the media, because war in our time is always indiscriminate, a war against innocents, a war against children."
Howard Zinn


Laurie H (817)
Friday March 22, 2013, 6:16 pm
This is so very disheartening Sheryl, and I honestly wish there were answers to all of it. There's no doubt that some people,are so disconnected from sensitivity and caring-this exists and is in itself a problem that fuels suffering. So sad for what this man went through---just makes me disgusted--there should be no wars, period!~ Thank you Sheryl for posting, so much~~

John B (185)
Friday March 22, 2013, 6:25 pm
Dandelion, thank you so much for the alert and your comment here and to you, Judy for posting this link to the heartbreaking and sad article by Chris Hedges. My heart and thoughts are with Tomas and his wife Claudia. I served in the Army from 1965 to 1968 during the Viet Nam conflict as an Occupational Therapy Specialist and got to see first hand the debilitating casualties from that unnecessary and "political" war. Yesterday was the anniversary of my twin brother death in Viet Nam. He was 20 and 1/2 years old to the day. I sometimes wonder what it might have been like had he came home physically or mentally disabled. My social activism began the day I was processed out of active duty and while I can not physically do the "up close and personal" actions any more, I still call, write letters, send emails and make trips to the local offices of my elected officials. Read and tearfully noted

Sheryl G (360)
Friday March 22, 2013, 6:39 pm
Deeply sorry for your loss of a twin brother John, thank you for all the activism you have done over the years. Like you I can't be as much out in the field, although I do at times and in the best way that I can. However like you I do keep active in ways that I can. If we each did something, anything, I don't think that so much would be gotten over on us.

Russell R (87)
Friday March 22, 2013, 6:53 pm
Tomas Young

An Iraq War veteran who joined the U.S. Army two days after 9/11 has written a powerful open letter to former President George W. Bush and ex-Vice President Dick Cheney accusing them of war crimes, "plunder" and "the murder of thousands of young Americans—my fellow veterans—whose future you stole."
Tomas Young, who was shot and paralyzed during an insurgent attack in Sadr City in 2004, five days into his first deployment, penned the letter from his Kansas City, Mo., home, where he's under hospice care.
"I write this letter, my last letter, to you, Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney," Young wrote in the letter published on "I write not because I think you grasp the terrible human and moral consequences of your lies, manipulation and thirst for wealth and power. I write this letter because, before my own death, I want to make it clear that I, and hundreds of thousands of my fellow veterans, along with millions of my fellow citizens, along with hundreds of millions more in Iraq and the Middle East, know fully who you are and what you have done. You may evade justice but in our eyes you are each guilty of egregious war crimes, of plunder and, finally, of murder, including the murder of thousands of young Americans—my fellow veterans—whose future you stole."
The 33-year-old, who was the subject of Phil Donahue's 2007 documentary "Body of War," continued:
I joined the Army two days after the 9/11 attacks. I joined the Army because our country had been attacked. I wanted to strike back at those who had killed some 3,000 of my fellow citizens. I did not join the Army to go to Iraq, a country that had no part in the September 2001 attacks and did not pose a threat to its neighbors, much less to the United States. I did not join the Army to “liberate” Iraqis or to shut down mythical weapons-of-mass-destruction facilities or to implant what you cynically called “democracy” in Baghdad and the Middle East. I did not join the Army to rebuild Iraq, which at the time you told us could be paid for by Iraq’s oil revenues.
Young believes he was injured fighting the wrong war:
I would not be writing this letter if I had been wounded fighting in Afghanistan against those forces that carried out the attacks of 9/11. Had I been wounded there I would still be miserable because of my physical deterioration and imminent death, but I would at least have the comfort of knowing that my injuries were a consequence of my own decision to defend the country I love. I would not have to lie in my bed, my body filled with painkillers, my life ebbing away, and deal with the fact that hundreds of thousands of human beings, including children, including myself, were sacrificed by you for little more than the greed of oil companies, for your alliance with the oil sheiks in Saudi Arabia, and your insane visions of empire.
"When Tomas Young saw President Bush on television speaking from the ruins of the Twin Towers, his life changed," his bio on the "Body of War" website reads. "As his basic training began at Ft. Hood, he assumed that he would be shipped off to Afghanistan where the terrorist camps were based, routing out Al Qaeda and Taliban warriors. But soon, Bush ordered the invasion of Iraq."
In an interview with, Young—who suffered an anoxic brain injury in 2008—said he had been contemplating "conventional" suicide, but decided to go on hospice care, "stop feeding and fade away."

Patrick D (344)
Friday March 22, 2013, 6:59 pm
A very wise man said:

"What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?"
--Mahatma Gandhi

Susan L (150)
Friday March 22, 2013, 7:03 pm
Thomas Young - I don't think I will ever forget his name, his service, intended to protect our country, or his sacrifice. For all he has tried to do to bring awareness about the big lie, the profiteers of war and the countless innocent victims that every war brings to the world, he is treated as a simple and insignificant casualty. It is no wonder that "we" as people of the U.S.A., specifically, are seen as selfish, heartless, spoiled and smug by so many around the world. This is common place any more, from politicians, business, religion, and country as a whole. Those who don't sign petitions, speak up and demand a change in our collective attitude, have only themselves to blame. Wars need to become a thing of the past and compassion the standard.

Angelika R (143)
Friday March 22, 2013, 7:07 pm
I too want to send healing thought to John B. and commend him for his mindmap and actions!

A bit off-topic- but as if all this misery wasn't enough yet, I read today that the sequester cuts already impacted hospice and palliative staff.
They should hang out in giant print Tomas' letter in congress for all warmongers to see.
And people must try harder to INFLUENCE the MILITARY to disobey, NO MORE WAR.

Bryan S (105)
Friday March 22, 2013, 7:21 pm
I agree very much Dandelion -- damn them all. I don't want to say that the Bush admin was the sole cause of the criminal Iraq invasion, as much as i'd like to see many of them in prison, but it's hard to believe Cheney said he'd do it again in a minute. Textbook definition of a psychopath.

Tomas Yound says it best: "You know who you are, and what you are, and what you have done."

It is very hard to understand, Judy. I think, unfortunately, blind nationalism is a strong force.

"Flags are bits of colored cloth that governments use first to shrink-wrap people's brains, and then as ceremonial shrouds to bury the dead" --Arundhati Roy

Freya H (357)
Friday March 22, 2013, 8:27 pm
What kind of nation curtails assistance to the men and women who risked their rear ends to defend freedom while letting swag-bellied politicians and executives pad their pockets? There are far too many homeless veterans out there.

Tamara Hayes (185)
Friday March 22, 2013, 8:50 pm
My heart is crying and my mind is hating these bastards who waged a war to further their own agendas and build their bank accounts even more. Tomas Young will never be forgotten nor will any other victim who has had their lives broken and their ideals run over by war machines that are designed to obliterate an enemy who did not exist. All that I have read here has made me think very hard about what role I need to play to get in the face of those who would continue to LIE so smoothly to the children they so wantonly kill with their smiles firmly in place and a flag sticking out of their ass. I wish you peace John and I am so very sorry for your loss and I appreciate what you had to go thru in your years of service. I have taken to heart all of the comments posted here and I am finding that I am very angry. I vow to turn that anger into more action for as you said so piercingly Sheryl, if we are quiet, we are responsible and I cannot be silent. I owe that to all of the Tomas Youngs from every war of lies and peace must be our new doctrine. You cannot currently send a green star to Judy, Sheryl or Kit for you have done so in the last week. Thank you for this haunting post Judy and Sheryl for forwarding. This needs as much attention as we can possibly gather and I have noted, twittered and google shared. I will also be forwarding your post to all I know here on Care2. It is very difficult to type when your eyes are swimming with tears.

Tamara Hayes (185)
Friday March 22, 2013, 8:55 pm
You cannot currently send a green star to Angelika for you have done so in the last week. You cannot currently send a star to Bryan for you have done so in the last week.

Past Member (0)
Friday March 22, 2013, 9:03 pm
When is this nation going to spend as much on peace as it does on war? There are tens of thousands of "Tomas Young's," and, while not all of them are in his terminal condition, their lives have, for all practical purposes, been ended by the injuries that they received in these wars that didn't need to be fought and shouldn't have been started. I would really like to hope that our nation will learn something from this man's life and his impending death...but it's hard. We can't seem to go any length of time before unleashing hell on one nation or another. It's such a waste.

JL A (281)
Friday March 22, 2013, 9:36 pm
Can fire and brimstone be increased exponentially for those who destroy so much?

LaurenBackSoon K (173)
Friday March 22, 2013, 11:42 pm
Noted. Interesting article. Thanks for sharing Dandelion.

Dorothy N (63)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 12:27 am
I'd like to thank Tamara H for this alert which, despite these additional human facts regarding such intolerable situations leaving me too heart-heavy even to weep, have at least provided inspiration to many in voicing objection to the myriad issues left unresolved regarding the unaddressed war crimes of the powerful and mass of victims left to suffer and perish on the other side of the road, out of the way and too-often unnoticed...

This insanity IS intolerable, and something MUST be done, somehow.

SuSanne P (193)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 2:15 am
I knew when you sent this to me Dandelion I would be mad as hell, but I feel such sadness for Thomas Young I don't know what to say. One thing is for certain I will NEVER forget this man. My heart is breaking knowing he is no longer on his feeding tube, but what horror he has endured makes me respect him for his choice. No breathing soul should endure THE OUTCOME OF EVERY SENSELESS WAR. I have so much respect for every post and thank you all for commenting.

“If I had known then what I know now,” Young said, “I would not have gone into the military. But I was 22, working various menial jobs, waiting tables, [working] in the copy department of an OfficeMax. My life was going nowhere. Sept. 11 happened. I saw us being attacked. I wanted to respond. I signed up two days later. I wanted to be a combat journalist. I thought the military would help me out of my financial rut. I thought I could use the GI Bill to go to school.”
Young is not the first young man to be lured into war by the false sirens of glory and honor and then callously discarded by the war makers. His story has been told many times.
I am sorry but I cannot go on as this is more heartbreaking than I can endure.
My gratitude and condolences go out to you John B.
Judy, Thank you for sharing this with us as I will definitely share. EVERYONE MUST KNOW THIS STORY. Everyone must understand the LIES.


SuSanne P (193)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 2:21 am
Dandelion I think of your son and what he has endured, as well as your family. What YOU have endured by the F-ing recruiters lying through their pearly whites with the lies. May you both find peace, especially him.

Joan De Chirico (26)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 2:22 am
I am devastated and saddened for him and for all those who have been taken to such a horrific
place. We must believe that somehow we can make it all stop!! All those who have put all these
young men and women into these positions..will pay...

Edwin M (346)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 2:35 am
What is even more disturbing is that those responsible will never be brought to justice, all our courageous men and women that died and were permanently injured and the innocents in Iraq that died and are also permanently injured. This Heroes letter is heartbreaking but the one part of the letter that I find the most heartbreaking for me is when Mr. Young says "You were not willing to risk yourselves for our nation but you sent hundreds of thousands of young men and women to be sacrificed in a senseless war with no more thought than it takes to put out the garbage". If you wish to read his letter in it's entirety or see the video of him reading the letter you can view either or both at Thank you Sheryl.

wendy webber (28)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 3:31 am
Good Morning Good People, This is such a tragic story and it makes me heart hurt for my fellow traveler! I think we need to redefine what patriotism really is....and teach critical thinking skills and problem solving....and to question and then to challenge authority. Again we come back to violence being an acceptable way to solve "issues"which it never does.It only reinforces the "might makes right" mentality prosper.I have felt this way since Viet Nam and will never change how I feel about the "war effort". I cannot ever erase the image of the Viet Nam War Memorial with its granite glistening in the Springtime sun as its design seemed to screech toward damn sad. I remember a saying from the 70's "What if they gave a war and nobody came?"....I agree with Kit.I knew when 9/11 happened what would follow would be a mass recruiting effort of young folks to save our honor or (to thin the herd????) to save America (from itself???) and that Bush would build on everyone's fear for his campaign fuel. I did not want to be right at all. We have not fought a war on this soil since the Civil War and so we lack empathy toward those that have to send their children to play among deserted mine fields??? Yet, since 9/11, after our true vulnerability was exposed (barring the idea that this was a preplanned inside job but still a vulnerability is exposed) and we felt fear toward being attacked and pulverized....has our level of empathy and commitment to peaceful solutions grown among the general public or has it made "us" more blood thirsty for a "culprit" to blame and pulverize?????( I don't know about the general public as none of the folks I hang with, travel in that circle-haha)......our gov't has become way too big and far removed from the folks it SERVES or should be serving.We need "to teach our children well,their fathers hell will surely go by"....hope I got all the words to that song right! I have to stop here because I could write a book..we need different and life affirming messages for our world.We need to see that we are more alike than different....

melanie blow (479)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 4:15 am
So horribly sad. I'm surprised there isn't yet a court battle to force him to be treated for suicide.

Alice C (1797)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 4:17 am
Too many men and women have had their lives ruined by war. Very sad : (

Darlene W (303)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 4:47 am
Blessings to all our Military and their families--God bless 'em all!!! If anyone in our government had any sense at all our country wouldn't be in the shape it is in. None of them care about 'we-the people' nor this country---their main concern is their wallets. No one should be able to run for any office in this country unless they have served in our military. It should be mandatory. What goes around comes around--we all have to meet our maker some day.

divergent revolution (309)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 5:35 am
War is insane. But, how many so called families cannot even get along. IT'S THE WORST PART OF HUMAN NATURE...putting our morality in the gutter, even animals don't have wars...the most intelligent?
I think we barely compare.Animals don't lie , either. ..
Society is so dysfunctional, it's heartless.
Thanks Dandelion, kola
Sad but important.

Carol D (346)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 5:36 am
The thing is with the Iraq war there were only 2 Congressmen who opposed the start of the Iraq war and yet Bush and his administration have been the ones to get the full brunt of it. Something just don't add up there! Thanks Sheryl and SuS for the forwards!

Edwin M (346)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 5:49 am
Thank you Judy for this article, in my last post I thanked Sheryl for the foward but I failed to thank you for the article, I apologize dear friend.

Sheryl G (360)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 6:18 am
For all those who may come onto this thread without the information I provided that enclosed a Petition please do consider signing on the hotlink below.

It is bad enough that our own Government has taken us into war upon war and that includes both Parties but now Congress wants to pass legislation allowing another Country to declare war for us. Yes, that is correct some other Country. Washington has gone bonkers, absolute crazy, this is what Corporate rule looks like.

A resolution in the Senate would effectively allow a foreign nation to launch the United States into a war. Tell the Senate to obey the US Constitution

Also think Warmongering is a partisan issue? Think again. Congress hasn't declared war since WWII it has been BOTH Republican and Democratic Parties that has allowed for one war after another to wage. See this link for a refresher of where we have been.
Since 1950 A List of All Places We Have Been the Industrial War Machine

Always finding the money for bombs but never enough to help those who were sent over there. This Sequester has now cut back funding to the children of deceased soldiers for their college education. Has cut back medical care to those that were sent to these various military actions. I am ashamed anymore to say I live here in the way we treat our own people and the many around this world.

And that is why I said Damn them all in Washington Carol, but as Roosevelt, I believe it was, had on his desk, the Buck Stops Here. You are the Head of this Country, therefore it was under your watch.

Arielle S (313)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 6:52 am
Thank you, Judy, for the post and Dandelion for the forward - we are all angry and sad and rightly so but it is vital that we learn from this - no more wars without proof of absolute necessity. The fires of hell will not be hot enough for the Bush/Cheney clan and I must admit I will rejoice when they leave this world. I saw that many veterans are waiting YEARS for treatment or even a response from the VA - hardly the way we should be treating those who went to war. No, we will never forget Tomas Young - he will not die in our minds or our hearts.

Richard Zane Smith (81)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 7:06 am
the bombing of the twin towers was an act of unspeakable violence by a group of sick men.
the act of retaliation and revenge upon the country of Iraq was an act of MEGA VIOLENCE proving a US administration incapable of sane rational action or deeper wisdom and foresight. Where is it written that HE WHO HAS THE BIGGEST FIST IS RIGHT?

Sheryl G (360)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 7:07 am
I can't seem to find the person that mentioned they wanted to watch HUBRIS online. Here is a link that will take you to the full documentary.
HUBRIS The Selling of the Iraq War

Sharon H (282)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 9:01 am
I recorded Hubris and will watch it later. I saw this video earlier this week and passed it on to some others. I sent it to one RW and his response was as expected. He blamed Obama for keeping the wars going and blah, blah blah. I'm willing to bet that once he heard the names of Bush and Cheney, he turned it off so he never heard all the rest. These tbaggers are so full of hate and won't ever listen to any facts about Bush and Cheney. The only thing that might wake them up is if they are indeed arrested and imprisoned for their war crimes and all the facts come out for EVERYONE to know. But even then, I doubt they'll believe they did anything wrong.

Katrina & Willi D (90)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 9:26 am
Would not let us sign-it is so terrible this man had suffered, we all would too if we were in that situation. Terrible treatment from a Dr.!
Thank You

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 9:41 am
"What if they gave a war and nobody came?"
Angela: And people must try harder to INFLUENCE the MILITARY to disobey, NO MORE WAR.

This is rather a radical position to take - but I agree with Angela.
My name, after all, that I have chosen, is "BMutiny". It is actually from an article {in an old Share of mine}, "The Uses of Mutiny", about the "rumor" of a group of U.S. Air Force Pilots refusing Bush's orders to bomb IraN {and start WWIII thereby}.
We can sign all the petitions, letters, e-mails we like, telephone legislators, rally and demonstrate - but, the CRUX of the matter is, if the Soldiers Themselves Refuse To Fight. THEN, if and when that happens, WE MUST SHOW OUR SUPPORT OF THEIR REFUSAL TO FIGHT. And, of course, we must equally SHOW OUR SUPPORT OF ANTI-WAR VETERANS such as Tomas.
There are groups on-line such as Veterans for Peace and Veterans Against the War.
The Viet Nam War proved impossible to "win", whatever that might have meant, because of the refusal to fight of soldiers in the field. Mutinies have occurred, and influenced the Military, since the days when Alexander the Great's Macedonian troops decided they'd rather be home with their families, than conquer all of India just for Alexander's increased "glory".
It will take some show of guts, to support the refusal to fight. Sometimes, the REFUSAL to fight, takes AS MUCH COURAGE, as fighting itself - or more. We must find this courage within ourselves, and encourage it in others. Let us hope that Tomas is impressed on our collective memories, and never forgotten - or, what he himself wants, that WHAT HE STANDS FOR is not forgotten - RESIST!!!

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 9:52 am
"What if they gave a war and nobody came?"
Our Universe would shake to its very frame.
"What if they gave a war and nobody came?"

A simple question asked by a tiny child;
An OBVIOUS question asked by a litel childe
Just like the Baby Jesus, so meek and so mild.

NO Philosopher, Theologian, or man of Political Fame
Thought to ask, DARED to ask:

What if the State

Put on a war




Draftees would desert, Volunteers would be searched for in vain;
The General Staff Office would have to find out a New Game;
Munitions and uniforms, rotting and rusting in rain

Would be no great loss, if we

Started a war and

Nobody came.

If the Whole Truth were told, without the Whitewashing and Shame;
If all Sides were Confessing, with Everyone sharing the Blame;
Job Security! Travel! Adventure! seen at their True Cost;
"Defense" means Attack, Freedom's irredeemably Lost;

If the Weights in the Balance are reckoned at Accurate Sum;

STILL, some Idiot would call out a war --


[poem by me, six years ago]

Richard Zane Smith (81)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 10:06 am
sadly...there will always be those to show up and enlist.
Seems the power of patriotic persuasion and propaganda will always lure the poor and unenlightened with promises of a paid education, the status of "worthy american", etc...
the military sales tactics are appealing to a high school student living in mid-america where bashing mailboxes with bats at night is the only thrill...."see the world"

Henriette Matthijssen (154)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 10:10 am
We are all connected as humanity! We are brothers & sisters, do away with borders. Those that work hard at dividing us & making wars with each other, while all lining their own pockets at the spill of our blood. Stars to every one that sees this & refuse to go to any wars, they are lying to us all. Thanks Judy.

Past Member (0)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 10:40 am
Thank you for sending this article to me. I have forwarded it. Will there ever be a day when people refuse to fight and see how stupid it is to kill on the orders of chicken hawks who won't break a nail themselves?

lee e (114)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 10:51 am
BMutiny, I love your name and Love your poem, I envy your idealistic zealotry and believe we should all aspire to act on that same passion! Alas, I'm far too cynical to believe that enough soldiers could act on reason and change their warrior hearts. I didn't serve in Nam - I was too busy protesting the war from before it began, just as I had with the wars that followed. The most criminal being that of Iraq, where no one has been brought to justice and we lost our integrity by going against the morality and ethics of the Country: bush/cheney and nearly all in their "regime" should be brought to trial, the corporate influence of policy becomes ever more abusive and will sacrifice everything and everybody that stands in their way if it be oil or gas or now drones and military technology.
This post after a 2nd viewing of Hubris last night and reading the letter cited in a previous post mid-week, makes the cruelty of war and particularly Iraq, and Israel's intention to drag us into a conflict with Iran, while it oppresses the Palestinians, becomes overwhelming, and the sorry attempts to bring reasonable gun control, and the abuse of women, - I guess I can only ask, BMutiny - is it possible that anyone could give a war without a lot of dark hearts gladly participating!
though for the sake of of what is right and for the sake of the strength of Thomas Young and the passion that so many of us feel here, I am more inspired by you all to follow my own "idealistic zealotry"
Thanks so much for this Sheryl, Thomas Young's story shall be passed on! We must all learn from his sacrifice!

Criage Lynnette Althage (25)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 11:08 am
While I applaud the spirit of people who want to apologize on behalf of our U.S. State sponsored terror, I just want to state in a friendly manner that is not we who signed our endorsement of these wars for profit of Wall Street and the highly profitable military industrial complex. It was actually those who have claimed to be our leaders in the fight against injustice, while taking the same money and the same orders from our corporate rulership as those who oppose us who would proclaim such actions proudly. I say it is not the collective we who caused this by any measure of our consumption habits or desires to have basic conveniences. Let us place blame where it belongs on the two party system and the fakers who claim to be one thing and then turn around to do another. Let us hold these folks responsible and use our collective power for change. We Are Unstoppable Another World Is Possible.

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Saturday March 23, 2013, 11:11 am
The response to 9/11 was 'War scheduled for prime time in North America'. I had spoken out about it being a bad idea since you cannot stop terrorism by going to war against a Country. Terrorists are not leaders of governments. Everyone I spoke to told me I did not know what I was talking about. But I had lived through the IRA terror bombing campaign in the UK and that was exactly the same thing. The first casualty of war is always an innocent and as the days passed the civilian death toll mounted and was soon never again quoted in the coverage we saw.

Here we are so many years after Bush announced "We won the war" and still the coalition forces and civilians are dying in numbers far exceeding the terrorists. Millions if not billions of dollars have disappeared from the rebuilding fund and the only people better off are the ones who sold the weapons to fight the war. I hoped Bush, Cheney et al would be charged with war crimes, but it is looking like that will never happen. Here in Canada our vets are finding the same problems, not enough help when they return broken to lives they will never be able to fully resume.

As long as there is greed in this world Wars will continue to be fought, the innocent will continue to die and the military will lie to the soldiers, and government will continue to lie to the people they have sworn to protect while in office. Until the day dawns when ordinary citizens stand up and say "No More War, we will not fight" this will be a never ending story. My heart breaks for this brave man and I stand with him in his decision to choose how his life will end. It would be preferable that he received all the medical help required and maybe that would have resulted in a different outcome.

Daniel Partlow (179)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 11:21 am
WAR WAR WAR. Put a few more women in power and maybe we wouldn't have so many. We are our own worst enemies!

Sun c (95)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 12:34 pm
I read this earlier this is a sad story which also angered me....thank you for posting it.

Vallee R (280)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 12:35 pm
All of this is planned and has been for years - I feel so deeply for the families affected by it - should never happen/

Gina Caracci (219)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 12:44 pm
Im so angry but will keep this short or i will swear and wont stop. Many know how I feel about war and those who start them while they do nothing to help those who risked EVERYTHING for this country.

May Tomas Young rest in peace.

May those in power who had a hand in the pain of others due to these wars: May they ROT IN THEIR OWN PERSONAL HELLS. and I truly believe they will. except for those with no consciences of course.

I gave some stars but am sure everyone who commented deserves one. I read a comment that we are the worst terrorists of all. I totally agree. Id go look for the author but my contacts are floating around in tears and I cant see very well.
As usual, Thanks Dandelion.

Sheryl G (360)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 12:48 pm
You are all welcome but Judy deserves the credit for bringing this to C2, I just made sure a few more eyes saw it.

Judy C (97)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 2:32 pm
Thanks Dandelion, for passing along this very important article. A while ago, I looked at my inbox and saw it's bulging with all of the heartfelt comments you guys have posted, and I've been reading them. Thanks so much for all your comments.

When I first read this article, I cried. Chris Hedges is right on when he calls Tomas' situation a crucifixion. I started to say "plight", but that connotes a sort of victim-hood that I don't think this courageous man would want. His anger is righteous. After I read the article, I cried out within myself, please don't commit suicide Tomas, you have a little niece to see grow up. People love you. But in the end, if his suffering is too great to endure, who am I to say he should keep enduring it?

It's hard to not ask why. Why does this man seem to be in a position to represent the human toll that this unjust and evil war has exacted? He did so well at first, being a shining example of dignity in the face of disability. I don't talk about this much, but I am quadriplegic myself, as a result of a spinal cord injury from a car accident in 1991.

I don't like to define myself by my disability, and I don't like pity. My point is, especially in the beginning I had numerous complications, spent months on the ventilator, months with a tracheostomy and feeding tube, years in bed with pressure sores, and much more. I haven't had as severe complications as Tomas, but I know how it feels to wish for death. I don't have to live in a facility, I am in good health for a quadriplegic and I have home health care. I don't have much chronic pain, and I'm lucky. I wanted to raise my kids, so leaving this earth was out of the question. Now I have grandchildren and two little great-grandsons. Anyway, I do know too well how this man is suffering.

Like you guys, I hate war, and I have a lot of anger and revulsion toward the leaders and the war profiteers who perpetuate and profit from this deplorable misery. Like some have pointed out, what if the soldiers just refused to fight? It's sickening that so many of our kids go into the military because the opportunities to make a good living aren't there if you don't come from a well-off family.

All we can do is keep fighting against war in any way we can. There is a much more global consciousness evolving, and there is some hope people will stop being pawns in this deadly game. The change may be gradual, but maybe it will come.

Judy C (97)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 2:50 pm
I thank you John B. for sharing about your experience, and send my sympathy to you for the loss of your twin brother. It sounds like you've done some great work as an O.T., helping people to maximize their functioning with a disability. It takes a very patient and caring person to do that work, and I commend you for it.

Julie E (405)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 4:06 pm
Thanks for the post Judy and the forwards from Sheryl and Tamara.
I read Tomas's story, and I read all of the comments above.

I met an educated female doctor from Isreal years ago telling me stories that I did not really want to hear as my daughter was in the Army, deployed in Kuwait at the time. She told me that wars were never going to stop in her country or Iraq, Iran or other countries, as wars have been going on forever. She sent me tons of video's that made me really think. Her mother was killed by a suicide bomber. I have to say that I am not that bright when it comes to the war and politics, but I do know that we should not be in a war fighting others battles.

My daughter was deployed 3 times and came home alive. The last two deployments she suffered with PTSD. The 3rd time really freaked her out after getting shot at and seeing how close the bullet came to hitting her. Bombs going off all of the time. Reality hit! She was just doing her job before that. She had so much rage in her. She could have easily killed someone, maybe even an innocent person if she got set off. She did put a gun in a civilians face that pissed her off. She still jumps when she hears loud noises. She can not sleep. She got out Dec. 2012 after 8 years of service. She does not tell anyone that she was in the Army. She does not want the greetings even though she thinks people are honorable. I am sure this is a reality of a lot of soldiers also. What next for them... My daughter is taking 3 years off taking classes. She wants to be a Psychologist. I am so proud of her. She is fighting her illness.

Our troops and the frickin Government, are not telling us all of what is going on. Most of our troops are proud to be serving our country. More feel forgotten.

Sheryl G (360)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 4:56 pm
I wish your daughter well, successful in her studies, and that she will have a complete healing. My son is serving at this time, still has until 2015 to go, so each day I pray for him and for the others who serve. Most go in for noble reasons, I know my son did. It wasn't my first choice for him, being a strong pro-peace activist all my life, but as a C2 member who knows the story well above, Susanne, the Recruiters scooped him up not long after the death of his Father. He was in a weakened state, I was also away trying to help my Mother who was ill at the time and as I was an only child no other choice, so there was a void of both a Mother and Father in his life while he was in grief. He is the proverbial calf away from the herd and he was taken. He joined for those noble reasons and my support is with him and the rest of them, just not my support to the liars that get these young men and women into places they shouldn't be.

Julie E (405)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 5:33 pm
Thank you so much Sheryl. I know you will not feel like your son is safe until he is home. My thoughts are with you and him until this dreaded war is over with. Does your son have a family? My daughter was totally against the war. She went in for the money, and to get educated. She got snapped up by a recruiter that ended lying to her. I have noticed that most of the men and women that have been killed are very young and at a very impressional age and not always thinking about death or being killed when they go in. Or some are sooo willing to die for our country, and to many have. They want to get in the middle of it all and fight. Some may call this bravery :( I call it to young. If my son went in right now at the age of 20, I would worry more about him then I did my daughter. He does not have the common sense that would help protect him. I was more worried that my daughter would get shot by friendly fire. -Just trying to be honest here.

Theodore Shayne (56)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 5:39 pm
Posted on my Twitter page. I can't describe how humbled I am by this man's account. Words can not begin to describe how deeply angered I am and have been for a long time now over how those serving are treated and how they are mistreated when they return home to nothing; a hopeless situation for many.
What was it Rumsfeld said to Clarke about soldiers? Oh yeah; he said they were nothing more than expendable assets who would be better off dying as they could expect nothing upon return. In other words the government let alone the Big Five and those who belong to their 200+ subsidiaries have no use for the military personnel after they have served their purpose. Shameless.

Julie E (405)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 5:47 pm

I didn't read it anywhere, but I wonder what this young man says or thinks when someone calls him a hero and thanks him for serving our country.

Yvonne White (229)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 5:57 pm
“When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor we didn’t invade China just because they looked the same,” he said. - Thank our lucky stars G.W. wasn't in charge during WWII...:(

Lynn Squance (235)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 6:01 pm
I also posted this story, unfortunately not seeing your post Judy. But it IS a story that cannot be told too many times. It moved me when I first read it such that I wanted to reach out and hug Tomas. And Rachel Maddow's "Hubris" is so important to watch too.

Tomas and his situation is but one of the legacies of Baby Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz et al. Tomas tells it correctly, these are war criminals and should be tried at the ICC at The Hague. I believe that only when that has happened, can all the Tomases of the US, and all the victims of this illegal war of aggression for oil, greed and power begin to heal mentally and spiritually.

Richelle Rausch (43)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 6:46 pm
"Young will die for our sins. He will die for a war that should never have been fought. He will die for the lies of politicians. He will die for war profiteers. He will die for the careers of generals. He will die for a cheerleader press." This says a lot about GWBush, Dick & the the rest of the repubs, who don't care about anyone but themselves.

Sheryl G (360)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 9:22 pm
Julie, he had barely turned 18 and was still in his last year of High School when he signed on. I had to sell our home due to the high costs of medical bills that were incurred by my husbands cancer his Father. It was a hard road we all went down. Then I had to board him with friends of mine while I went back to take care of my Mother at 1,500 miles away. So I wasn't near him, he had no family, I did what I could over the telephone, and my friends did help where they could.

The Recruiters told him without a Father his Mother would need his help for College and for him to be on his own as she had enough to deal with. They really worked on him, as he was raised by a pro-peace activist and so he did not just jump but was pulled into it. They made sure they latched to his hip, driving him for hair cuts, bringing him to a football game, shooting hoops with him. He signed. I had just lost my husband and they took my son too. He is only 24 today and I haven't seen him since 18 except for a total of 3 months. No he has no wife or children, he did not have time to do that, he didn't have time for anything. He calls when he can otherwise I try not to think on it too much, my own mental protection.

SuSanne P (193)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 9:48 pm
I am so grateful to see so many continuing to comment with such gut wrenching feelings about their own personal lives, as well as such brilliant intelligence and knowledge. Lynn, you are so right as "This is a story that cannot be told too many times". I was unable to watch Rachael as I was up past 3 am following as much information as I could find and believe this will continue this evening as well, with more links provided. It's now time as the personal stories you have shared have me crying a river after crying myself to sleep. Someone mentioned they were unable to sign the petition for further INSANITY, so after I contact them and see if I can help in any way...


SuSanne P (193)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 9:57 pm
I meant to mention to you Dandelion...I feel the scab of my entire body has been ripped open-again-after reading the post you last shared, about your son. I feel horrible for not acknowledging everyone personally but as I have known you for so many years it is all I can do to keep it together again.

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Saturday March 23, 2013, 11:27 pm
Thank you to those who gave me stars for my post and poem.
There is more anti-war poetry in my group,
WAR POEMS by BMutiny/Barbara
"A Vanity group that will feature the Host's poems, and a few others. Poems are in the Public Domain and may be used for re-publication in books, blogs, greeting cards, song lyrics, etc. This is intended to be a free contribution to a better world."
After cancer surgery, I had a spate of writing poetry, which I hadn't done before.
Warning if you go there: it is pretty strong stuff. Like its subject matter.
The whole thing about America's wars, is diabolical.
First of all, there is CLEAR EVIDENCE that the Bush regime {if not Bush himself - he's a dummy - but his henchmen} KNEW of the 911 attacks IN ADVANCE. And, had a hand in PLANNING them. I know people don't want to go there. Can't blame them. However, if the research is done, that is unmistakable, glaringly so. TOO MANY weird, un-answered questions.
So what does that make, of those who Patriotically signed up, to "defend our Freedoms" - out of pure idealism, or idealism mixed in with other considerations? And the CYNICISM of the Planners.....
Then, this:
In Vietnam, that war was unpopular both at home and at the front lines - the soldiers were well aware of the Peace Movement at home, and knew that we didn't want them to be there. The classic image of that era, is the American soldier with a Peace Sign on his helmet.
So, the Pentagon decided Draftees were UNRELIABLE - and went for an all-Volunteer army.
But, of course, it is a POVERTY DRAFT - as if arranging it diabolically, jobs simultaneously became scarce at home, or unable to furnish a living wage, or pay for college - the "Volunteer" Army is a way out, as they present it.
However, please realize, that still THERE AREN'T ENOUGH VOLUNTEERS - [for one thing, few NATO allies are interested in being killed on our behalf] - so, the U.S. Army now trains and recruits MERCENARIES - and Contractors such as Halliburton have in effect THEIR OWN PRIVATE ARMIES who are accountable to NO-ONE.
Also, the Army PRIVATIZES things that used to be part of the military - to ENRICH THE FRIENDS OF THE POLITICIANS - and that is why, for example, ARMY MILITARY CARE IS SO VERY, VERY BAD. It is now PRIVATIZED. Walter Reed "Army" Hospital is RUN BY A PRIVATE FIRM, *FOR PROFIT* - NOT by the U.S. government, any more, as before it was! Somebody is making PROFIT$$$ hand-over-fist, by CUTTING CORNERS and making MORE money from SUB-STANDARD CARE.
Next, they may HIRE A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR to hire those who sit in a comfy room somewhere in New Mexico or someplace, and FIRE THE DRONE MISSILES THAT KILL CIVILIANS. In Pakistan, and where next? Iraq? "Proxy Wars" in 35 countries in Africa? {Where they have Natural Resources that China, our rival, wants to have...}
Don't have any answers.
But, for starters, please go to and support Vietnam Veterans against the war {VVAW}, Veterans for Peace, Iraq Veterans against the war, Families of Veterans against the war, don't have at my fingertips the names of all the Veterans' peace websites but there are several of them. They can talk to the soldiers best. There IS actual resistance within the Army - but OF COURSE we are not allowed to hear about it! But these Veterans know... some of them came to their anti-war views while serving, and had their Free Speech as well as sometimes their freedom, taken away... I have heard of just a few cases. From these sites...

This is why we are all here on Care2 together... to hear and learn from each others' "gut-wrenching" stories...
It's tough, but WE are tough.....

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Sunday March 24, 2013, 12:55 am
[Post from Archie L. in the Care2 group Protest Songs:]
.... Tom Morello thread. Dude is the baddest front line protest singer alive today.

Here's an interview from the new Rolling Stone. He talks about Tomas Young, the Iraq War veteran who just wrote a scathing letter to Bush and Cheney on the tenth anniversary of their crime:

[Tom Morello sent the letter on to Bruce Springsteen...]

Judy C (97)
Sunday March 24, 2013, 1:25 am
Thanks for telling us about your daughter, Julie. I can see how she and other former service people don't necessarily enjoy trite comments about their service from well meaning strangers. There are some good therapies for PTSD, especially (my opinion) EMDR. It seems unorthodox, but it is well supported by research, and redirects troublesome neural responses. There are other counseling approaches such as groups that help a lot of people, too. I hope she can resume her education if that is what she want to do.

Dandelion, I knew about your son, but I have learned a lot more from your comments here. The recruiters are under tremendous pressure to keep bringing more kids in. It's reprehensible that they prey on the ones who are vulnerable, as you say. I remember him in my daily meditation. I don't think any pain can be as great as that one suffers in relation to their children.

Thanks for your sharing and your poems, BMutiny, We're all lucky, and stronger from being a part of Care2! I so appreciate everyone's comments.

Lynn, I'm glad you posted this article, too. I also try not to post duplicates, but lots of articles are cross-posted, and this happens. I think important articles like this one need maximum exposure.

Because of the idiotic Sequester, the active service people at OFFUT Air Force Base, here adjacent to Omaha, will no longer be able to get college classes paid for.

How do those in power harden their hearts to the suffering of all these people, and continue to wage these profiteering and senseless wars? How do they sleep at night?

Judy C (97)
Sunday March 24, 2013, 2:04 am
Thanks. You're probably right on that one, Ros.

Lynn Squance (235)
Sunday March 24, 2013, 2:07 am
@ Judy --- "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Karl Marx wrote: "Religion ... is the opium of the people". To rephrase that, I would say "Power and greed are the opium of the elite, the 1%."

As opiates are used in medicine to dull pain and help partakers to relax and sleep, so power and greed lull the elite such that they are soulless and able to sleep. We have a hard time understanding this because we have souls that ache when we see injustice and feel another's pain.

Judy C (97)
Sunday March 24, 2013, 2:18 am
Thanks, Lynn. That's chilling, to think of people so devoid of humanity. These people have indeed sold their souls.

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Sunday March 24, 2013, 3:02 am
Our society is so arranged, that PSYCHOPATHS rise to the top - they are not like you and me, they CAN easily sleep at night, they have NO empathy - they don't think and feel the same way we do.

It is structured so the most ruthless, win - which is what our Democracy was supposed to be set up to prevent. But, the ECONOMIC system, the way it was set up, favored the ruthless PSYCHOPATHS.....
so "Democracy" {rule of the "Demos" or people, from the Ancient Greek}, got hopelessly overwhelmed...

Arild Gone for now (174)
Sunday March 24, 2013, 4:31 am
Thanks for this posting Judy.

Sheryl G (360)
Sunday March 24, 2013, 11:55 am
B. Mutiny T.

"So, the Pentagon decided Draftees were UNRELIABLE - and went for an all-Volunteer army.
But, of course, it is a POVERTY DRAFT - as if arranging it diabolically, jobs simultaneously became scarce at home, or unable to furnish a living wage, or pay for college - the "Volunteer" Army is a way out, as they present it."

Basically that is the tactic they used on my son, now without a Father, your Mother doesn't have his income. Now without a Father I bet she won't be able to pay for you to go to College but we can do that for you. They found out all about him, but they had help before they seized on him, as they had spoken to the Guidance Counselor who I had shared things with so if my son needed any help they would have some background. Is why we need to get the Recruiters out of the High Schools.

Our finances were in the toilet due to the cancer, the life insurance I thought we had was not underwritten by John Hancock but instead had been sold to my husband as two renagaid employees that had stolen the policies, pens, had their ID's still, and our money orders were going to their PO Box and they simply erased the ink and made it out to them. One does not at all want to loose their husband to cancer but you don't want a call from a Detective that was tracing us all down that the life insurance policy you had been paying on was bogus and the person it was covering was near deaths door. They did go to jail in the end but that didn't help me at all financially to take care of his remains or service, to finish raising my kids as I had a daughter as well, or to keep us in our home.

My son would of qualified for grants or work study, he didn't need to be taken away from me right after we just lost a family member. That left 3 women alone, my aged Mother, myself, and my daughter who wasn't on her own yet, all of us in grief and my Mother dependent and going downhill. But they took advantage of the financial end of the picture, that he wouldn't be a burden on his Mother, that his Father would be so pround of him defending this Country. (yes this Country not it's lies) But they failed to say, perhaps now your Mother needs you to be close to her right now, help her now, help her while she is still raising your sister and taking care of her frail and aged Mother.

Yes, I think our family, my son, fit the bill, their poverty draft and they didn't care that they took the ONLY male that is alive in my family away. Thank goodness I AM a strong and independent woman, otherwise they could of cared less they threw a family of women under the bus. But it wasn't easy, I was still in major grief and had limited funds and two dependent females, and now a 3rd with a granddaughter, to take care of. But as we see with so many stories, those who push the levers do not care how their actions affect families, they simply do not care. I call them the Heartless Ones.

Gina Caracci (219)
Sunday March 24, 2013, 12:36 pm
Dandelion, I am speechless..(well almost, as I feel outrage struggling to surface)..after reading your last post.

I am so sorry for what has happened to you. I know your a strong woman and things like that will only make you stronger but WTH? I thought they didnt allow males to enlist if they were the only male in a household..? ..Obviously not!
and I thought what you tell a guidance counselor is confidential????

I will now add your son into my prayers along with you and your daughter and granddaughter. I will pray he comes home safe and sound.
Damn govt. How many of THEIR Sons are serving?
I forgot why I came back to this page Im so upset now.

Sheryl G (360)
Sunday March 24, 2013, 2:33 pm
I am always so grateful for all the Kind Hearted Ones that come across my life for otherwise it would be unbearable to live only with the Heartless Ones. Thank you all who keep my son and or family on your lips for prayers, I most certainly appreciate that you do. I mean that sincerely.

Lois Jordan (63)
Sunday March 24, 2013, 2:39 pm
Judy, thank you so much for posting....and Dandelion for the link. I'd read this earlier in the week with tears in my eyes. But, reading it here, again....along with all the comments has me now opening another box of kleenex. Dandelion's first comment is absolutely beautifully written, and I agree 100%. Many of us here have been speaking out in every form possible for many years now, and sharing info. It's a habit I don't intend to ever break. Our sadness should motivate us to action, and to NEVER, ever forget.

Sheryl G (360)
Sunday March 24, 2013, 2:51 pm
I thought that as well Gina, but that isn't so about the only male. It's a legend, one of those things that has been spread around as fact but isn't factual. As they say, live and learn.

SuSanne P (193)
Sunday March 24, 2013, 3:59 pm
Sending Gratitude to B.Mutiny, Judy, Lynn and especially you Dandelion. I was unaware of the financial fraud you experienced and can't imagine the emotional burden by your financial woes when it came to your husbands remains, service and keeping 3 generations of women in your home.
There has not be a day go by I don't pray for your entire family and thank each person who has added you to theirs as well. Your strengths and accomplishments are on a scale I have never known, and 'I' have benefited from the tragedies you have endured.
I also believed the myth about the only male.
I also believed a minor which I believe is considered a child until 18 (either way) and his guidance counselor was CONFIDENTIAL. That is beyond CRIMINAL. To quote you, that is the definition of HEARTLESS. It is the definition of what lengths psychopathic gr$$d has escalated to (especially shared by B.Mutiny's chilling post as usual). I have always been awe struck at the information you share Barbara and am embarrassed to say I was clueless that Walter Reed is contracted out. I will support WAW beginning now.

SuSanne P (193)
Sunday March 24, 2013, 4:01 pm
Sending Gratitude to B.Mutiny, Judy, Lynn and especially you Dandelion. I was unaware of the financial fraud you experienced and can't imagine the emotional burden by your financial woes when it came to your husbands remains, service and keeping 3 generations of women in your home.
There has not be a day go by I don't pray for your entire family and thank each person who has added you to theirs as well. Your strengths and accomplishments are on a scale I have never known, and 'I' have benefited from the tragedies you have endured.
I also believed the myth about the only male.
I also believed a minor which I believe is considered a child until 18 (either way) and his guidance counselor was CONFIDENTIAL. That is beyond CRIMINAL. To quote you, that is the definition of HEARTLESS. It is the definition of what lengths psychopathic gr$$d has escalated to (especially shared by B.Mutiny's chilling post as usual). I have always been awe struck at the information you share Barbara and am embarrassed to say I was clueless that Walter Reed is contracted out. I will support WAW beginning now.

SuSanne P (193)
Sunday March 24, 2013, 4:09 pm
Gina, I forgot to tell you I tried to send you a Star. These past 2 days has had me in the same state of mind... it's as if I'm gone. The reality is too extensive for me to comprehend what I THOUGHT I already knew. By that I don't mean every detail as many here can prove with facts. By that I mean what I know from my Heart's tears of blood over the decades. To quote a "Religious" saying I have heard all my life, "God only gives you what you can handle". Listening to those with children who have already, or are still serving, makes me grateful I was unable to have children. I bow to the strength of you women! I cry with you as well.

Ann B (60)
Sunday March 24, 2013, 6:13 pm
sadly noted - I hate war!!!!

Susan G (49)
Sunday March 24, 2013, 7:07 pm
So sad I hate war too!

Judy C (97)
Sunday March 24, 2013, 8:03 pm
Dandelion, I'm in shock after reading the way your family was treated. It seems there was a breach of confidentiality on the part of the school counselor. What the hell was wrong with that person?

Then the Life Insurance fraud is another outrage. The company should have had legal responsibility to notify policy holders about the sale of the policies, and they should also be responsible for the loss. Otherwise, any insurance company could sell out to any crooks, and say "Oh well, these crooks are responsible now, but we won't let our customers know.". Did you get legal advice on all this? I can''t really express my outrage, it's beyond words. We are living in a truly corrupt world.

Patricia E G (54)
Monday March 25, 2013, 2:15 am
"War is Hell" - Patton

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Monday March 25, 2013, 12:33 pm
Dandelion, so shocking, I can't begin to say.
It should be - and, I wouldn't be surprised - maybe IS illegal, for Guidance Counselors in High School to share ANY information on students - but it DOES, and it WILL, happen all the time. Heck, recruiters are even going around in GRADE SCHOOLS, and to "family" places like Chuck-e-cheese! They try to catch 'em as soon as possible...
One tactic I have heard about, is, they pretend to "sign up" a kid, which is a meaningless farce of course, when it's an underage KID - and then they try to later tell the KID that they "have an obligation", and made a moral and even a legal "commitment"... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They really pour on the pressure.... what KID, uneducated maybe, even understands the "legal" ins & outs?
We have to keep EXPOSING their corrupt tactics, and giving EACH OTHER support... what Bob Dylan called "The Masters Of War" don't have ALL the power.... yet.

. (0)
Monday March 25, 2013, 12:46 pm
Thanks Judy for the post and Dandelion for the fwd. I feel beyond sad for Thomas Young..and so many others like him. War should always be the last recourse, but unfortunately it is not, as it is a money making proposition and money seems to be increasingly more important than human life. As long as there are humans (and I use that term loosely) from all over the world who condone this behavior, I'm afraid that I'm always left wondering when the other shoe will drop, and hence, yet another war and more deaths.

Sheryl G (360)
Monday March 25, 2013, 4:43 pm
Judy, the Insurance Company was under no legal obligation for they too were in a way robbed as well, by us being actual paying premium holders to them. It was employees who were no longer working for the Company, and the Insurance Company had no way of knowing their FORMER employees were scamming people. These employees failed to turn their ID's back in, which now many Companies are requiring this be done now due to these reasons. The former employees had over a length of time taken pens, policies, so on and so forth. They had worked there so they knew the whole talk, so what they did was send out mailed official looking advertisements to people about life insurance, people get that all the time, but this time if was from them. It all looked official, using quality paper and ink now with these machines and such, so they went fishing.

We got caught on their hook, for it just so happened that at the time things were going along pretty well for us but I did say to my husband, gee, I have life insurance on me through my job but you are a self-employed, and if an accident should happen as you have a dangerous job, that would leave me and the kids having to figure it out with a sudden drop in income. He did agree so a call was placed in from the advertisement, that went straight to the former employees, who were now going to be theives, a husband wife team.

They had the phone set up so that number was to be answered in the professional way with the name of the Company, and the PO Box was through one of those private box places and they don't ask questions. If you want to be called Pink Pixie Dust well so be it, as long as it had the BOX number on it, that is all that mattered, so it did not matter that these people were using a well known insurers name. It wasn't until people started to die, and they had done their pre-screen calls to make sure you were most likely going to live for awhile so they could get these checks for awhile. I'm sure the 62 year old who called by their advertisment was told some reason why they could not insure them. But even younger people get sick and die, and so after enough of these cases were presented to JH, to claim their life insurance only they had no policy by that number, it became evident that something was amiss.

I really have no issue with the Insurance Company, they were USED, their name was used, and they were not in on it. They said that despite his cancer that if he should live and go into remission after 5 years they would make sure he was insured by them, as if he was never sick, they felt badly, and they did put up some money to pay all of the victims back some of the premium monies which they were not obligated to do. It was the Theives that got the monies not the Insurer. However some returned premium money, although helpful was not what we had thought was coming. My poor husband had to find this out knowing his situation was terminal, there would be no making it.

So that I want to make clear, as I obviously failed to do so, it wasn't the Company, it was former employees, so that it was individuals that robbed us, but it was a horrible thing to do to people when they are loosing the loved one to find out that what they thought they had in place to give them some cushion isn't there at all.

Stuart Thomas (497)
Monday March 25, 2013, 7:46 pm
I wish that former President George W. Bush, former Vice President Dick Chaney, and former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld would read about Tomas Young and the other terrible consequences that they created by getting us into the Iraq War - a pre-emptive war in which we had not been attacked and I understand pre-emptive wars are against International Law. If the United States were not so powerful and if the world were more fair, I would think that those three - Bush, Chaney, and Rumsfeld - could be brought up on charges of crimes against humanity in the World the Hague.

If those three - Bush, Chaney, and Rumsfeld - had not gotten us into the Iraq war, Tomas Young's life would have spared the tragedy that occurred in it and many others would also have not suffered being wounded and/or killed..

Thank you SuSanne for leading me to this upsetting but important article.

Judy C (97)
Tuesday March 26, 2013, 5:57 am
Stuart, I don't think Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld would even care. If they had any twinge of guilt, they would just hold onto their threadbare, despicable rationalizations that they'd done the right thing. Remember, they brought democracy to Iraq, one of the big favors they did for Iraq.

Ros, Blair was probably the biggest warmonger among the "Coalition of the willing". There are some short videos of Blair stating that he had "no regrets". Here's one:

Judy C (97)
Tuesday March 26, 2013, 6:12 am
I was just looking for info on legal issues and military recruiters in schools. I don't know if there were any protections in your state when your son was targeted, but I'll just post this information from 2006, FYI:

ACLU Settles Landmark Lawsuit Over Release of Student Information to Military Recruiters

January 27, 2006

ALBUQUERQUE – In the first settlement of its kind, the American Civil Liberties Union of New Mexico today announced that the Albuquerque Public Schools will no longer send students’ contact information directly to military recruiters without properly notifying parents of their right to opt out of such information sharing.

“We live in a time when a student’s decision to sign up for the military is likely to land him or her right on the field of battle,” said ACLU of New Mexico Executive Director Peter Simonson. “Understandably, many parents want to limit the access recruiters have to their children. Schools have an ethical and legal obligation to honor parental control and to respect students’ privacy.”

The federal No Child Left Behind Act grants secondary school students and their parents the right to deny the military access to a student’s name, address, and telephone listing. Legal papers were filed by the ACLU because in 2004 several local high schools failed to notify parents of this right until weeks, and in some cases, months, after those schools had already shared students’ information with the Army, the Air Force, and the Navy.

Under the settlement agreement, Albuquerque Public Schools will adopt and implement a policy requiring the district to include information about the No Child Left Behind Act in the registration packet each secondary school mails to parents before registration. The materials will include a form parents may use to request that a student’s name, address, and telephone listing not be released to military recruiters. Once parents have made such a request, it will remain in effect until it is changed in writing by the student or the parents.

“It’s not enough to bury the notice of parents’ opt-out rights somewhere on a school website or in a student handbook,” said ACLU of New Mexico volunteer attorney Karen Meyers of Aguilar Law Offices, P.C. “The notice to parents has to be meaningful. The school has to bring the information to parents’ attention so they can make an informed and conscious choice. The school system wasn’t doing that and we suspect many other districts around the state aren’t doing it either.”

The ACLU said it would consider bringing similar legal action against other non-complying school districts in the state.

For more information on military recruitment under the No Child Left Behind Act, go to

Judy C (97)
Tuesday March 26, 2013, 6:15 am
Oops. I didn't include that I was talking about your son, Dandelion. I'm not too awake!

Sheryl G (360)
Tuesday March 26, 2013, 7:17 am
This is good Judy, and I hope all States implement it. And no Recuriter should be able to have personal information beyond name and address for use by them to manipulate a young person who is vunerable at the time. I am proud of my son, he is doing everything in a very honorable way, but he wasn't in a place to make such decisions at the time and I couldn't have the kind of one on one conversation that I should of been able to have being away from him and taking care of a sick parent at the time while all of us were still grieving.

Judy C (97)
Wednesday March 27, 2013, 4:30 am
Dandelion, it is just so wrong that your son's school personnel didn't have the decency or good sense to stop this recruiter from preying on your son at such a terrible time for him and your family. They should have never put him in the position to make such a decision! I hope he comes home to you as soon as possible, safe and sound. You've all been through so much

Ros, I too would love to see these leaders who were partners in crime face justice. The horrors they unleashed on so many people are beyond comprehension, really. Howard deserved to lose his position for joining in this evil enterprise.

l L (1)
Wednesday March 27, 2013, 7:19 pm
Thank you for this article and all the information that needs to be told and retold until it's voice is the louder than the voice of the war on terror.

In the years following 2000; before 911 I wrote my Senator as I had done in previous years , questioning him about why this new president was talking rough and tough to world leaders who were quiet and all was peaceful.

This president ranted and raved so badly; it was unusual.
Before you knew it 9-11 happened and they quickly blamed it on you know who.
I watched with suspicion. I was one of the very infinite ones nationally and around the world who stood up and said no to invading Iraq.. I had even been suspcious about Afganistan; that the assertions even there was suspicious.
I grieved with the Iraqi's thru blog sites; just hoping that with all the protesting and standing up, their lives and country would be spared. and there would be no invasion and no war. But the heartless in Washington with that president prevailed.. They would not listen nor respected any of us, no matter how many of us complained.
I counted on my other hero in congress.. It seemed they didn't know what to do and even hesistated and then voted yes. It appeared everyone was waiting on that one and followed that one's lead. I was dissappointed.
I hoped and I prayed and I protested with those who took to the streets. Many were beaten. They were of all ages.
So the invasion began with its media corporate lead or whatever. whoever spoke out about it was sensored and put out of work and no longer in the limelight to voice anything.
The rest we know.

The world after 1999 changed and evil has truly dominated. Sometimes I think crazy.. like did the world come to an end and we just don't know it? So much bizzare stuff.. cruel... mean.. unbelievable..

Anyhow ... with stuff coming at us; right and left very quickly... one was the recruiting practices. Especially in the schools to replensh the military.

Remember; the National Guard was only trained for inside the nation. They sent those inexperienced ones to Iraq..The Monster in the White House.

As wel;l the invite that was then... the Military would make you strong and a man. I was one to complain with others ..Now they change that to making one Army strong.
So parents then protested the military in the schools recruiting and slowed that process down..
But like you know all to well D... they picked off the ones they did. Unfortuanately your son..... I have a mother's heart and I feel your pain..

I am not sure who and what these things are that have taken over this earth.. but they are not human.. They are not like us..
After the Iraq invasion.. the humans were picking up the pieces and trying to bring relief where they could.. by the mess of the Heartless.
Men, women, children, old, infirmed, disabled etc.. etc.. were crying out to their GOD whoever it may have been to them; as to why and beating their chest and crying.
I hurt with them... We couldn't stop it.. No matter how hard we tried.. I grew a hatred for the heartless cause they didn't care.. nor did they feel anything...Our country is programmed to hate other people.. even tho we are different.. Our country is programmed period from birth who and how to hate and why..

Who is better than the other fella.. Who deserves to be killed and hated.. who is not good enough and who is the better persons..
The human part is not there or factored in.
Now there are no absolutes.. I believe and there are times .. people keep messin with ya you have to deal with them to be safe and have peace. But to find out it has all been for lies and the rest is suspect , leaves me bewildered.
Now how our military was neglected and dismissed.. I was with the many speaking out against that.. If it were not for people inside our country taking it upon themselves to make armour to protect ours.. they would not have had any. I listened to John McCain talk about how we had not money but we built a city in Northern Iraq and over paid shoddy contractors. we over paid and brought expensives vehicles and we are not ashamed for any of it.
So it is not that any of us humans have not fought back and stood up against the heartless . it's just that what we do is not completley working for now.
I don't know what the destiny is for our planet and we humans.. So much weird and strange things are happening.
We had an election and the clown show is still getting their way.. Dismanteling everything under the disguise we can't afford it.

It seems; does it really make a difference what party they are?
This young man Tomas Young may he rest in peace and may his story be shared and made known everywhere.. So those who don't know and the generations to come will know what has happened on this planet.

Cause I for one didn't know alot of stuff untill someone showed and told me.


Sheryl G (360)
Wednesday March 27, 2013, 7:50 pm
Lyn L. "The world after 1999 changed and evil has truly dominated. Sometimes I think crazy.. like did the world come to an end and we just don't know it? So much bizzare stuff.. cruel... mean.. unbelievable.."

It feels that way doesn't it? I've told that to a few people, it feels like living in some foreign place, I don't understand it nor want to be here. Where is the exit? Can we pull some sanity back on board?

I think this video explains a lot. I placed it on awhile back, John Trudell is a Visionary. He cuts through and tells it like it is.


Judy C (97)
Thursday March 28, 2013, 12:58 am
Lyn L, your comments brought back a lot of memories to me of what it felt like in the year or so before Bush & Co. invaded Iraq. It was like watching a slow motion train wreck. At the time a dear friend of mine who passed in 2005 had a son who was buying into the idea of joining the military to get college paid for. I begged my friend to try to stop him. He's very intelligent, and also is in a minority, and I know he could have got scholarships as well as grants. I told my friend that I just knew we were going to be starting a war. He ended up going, and got to come home with the help of a former congressman when she was diagnosed with cancer. At least he wasn't killed or injured.

Anyway, these times are dominated by evil, it seems, as you and Dandelion observe. It feels like everything is accelerating, spinning in a fun house of mirrors, and it's really hard to get one's bearings. I think in spite of the world's insanity, there are lots of us who are not on that bandwagon. We have to stick together.

Dandelion, thank you so much for the link back to that piece by John Trudell. It is an antidote to all this insanity and evil. The truth cuts right through it. I'm going to use that piece for a while as a daily meditation. We can use this truth as a shield.

l L (1)
Thursday March 28, 2013, 8:03 pm
Judy, D and others.. Just cking reading your posts.
Do you all remember the shape of Israel at that time during those same years..? Who would have seen that It was being Bombed within and the once peaceful Holy sites were being bombed and destroyed. The 3 religions that had co-existed there .. peacefully was disrupted.

Sharone was head then and I didn't know he is still alive.. I thought he died.. But his action atarted the mess going up on that temple mound getting everyone upset.. All the people who were peacemakers in that region were murdered. Many preachers over hear suddenly died or were reported dead.
Many businesses and corps went out of business and over the counter products are gone.
I have noticed in these 13 years; people have been reported as have dead and then suddenly they are alive and kicking. Alot of strange stuff.

And it is strange; I am not the only one to have notice this stuff and feel like is this hell and we died and just don't know it.
It's not normal.. I mean life has never been great for the most part for alot of people/cultures... but 1999 on has been, what's been previously all said.

I pay attention Judy for reasons. You know; you try to make a good difference for the present and generations coming. To relieve the suffering.. But I tell you.. this has been a learning experience on "what face evil" and how to be a bully and liar and tell everyone else to use conflict resolution while we pillage.

This planet is not a fun place to be in.. I don't feel like it ever has been. I go back and research as much as I can and if the information is accurrate okay.. if not oh well.
I say that because; I now learn the culprits can go back and re-write history to suit them.
But what I see so far; when has this... country ever been a nation run by GOD? When did people ever treat each other right and fairly? Everything is so flawed..

I so long for the world to operate in Goodness so not to be afraid of anybody.. So wanting to let my guard down. But can't because... it is just the way it is.
I don't want church and state to rule.. cause man is so flawed and history says it can be deadly in the wrong hands. But at the same time I want to believe in what and who I do without being murdered or beheaded or forbidden. No harm no foul. I am glad I can think for myself.

Nevertheless........They tell us this is democracy with rights.. but too many people get murdered thinking they have so called rights when .... is true or false?

Susan L (150)
Friday March 29, 2013, 12:43 am
Lyn L. Very good comments and observation. My mind often goes round and round... thinking. I don't think any of us really know what is true or false in what we're fed. There are too many lies. History is written as the writer wants us to believe. It is sad. I think that's why so many of us do try to search for more information, more truth while others will simply go along with what their government, church, or the "news" channel they watch tell them is the truth. But we can find our own ways to know - and that is in our heart and soul. We have grown. There is more knowledge at our fingertips than ever before and word spreads much faster. We pay closer attention to the world around us. We are those who ARE rising up and standing for our shared planet, other forms of life and our fellow humans. This is an important time and more will begin to realize that. More will begin to stand with us and as we grow in numbers and and strength of our message. The cowards who are liars, cheaters, war mongers, criminals and such will lose their hold on power and be reduced to the babbling crazies that they are - AND be seen as such. I hope I live long enough to see it unfold, but we are all seeing the Beginning. I have to believe, "The meek shall inherit the Earth", and by that, the 'meek' are NOT WEAK, but compassionate, humane, kind, trustworthy and inclusive of others different than themselves.

Judy C (97)
Friday March 29, 2013, 4:37 am
Thanks, Lyn and Sue. I feel somewhat hopeful most of the time.

l L (1)
Saturday March 30, 2013, 6:46 am
thx Sue D. etal.

Jelica R (144)
Tuesday April 2, 2013, 9:16 pm
Bosnian poet Abdulah Sidran, speaking of the many who died after the war ended: "Now are dying those for which we thought they have survived."

Jelica R (144)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 6:04 pm
Tomas Young, 33 years. Background:

In February, prominent Iraq War vet/anti-war activist and subject of Phil Donahue's documentary, Body of War, Tomas Young, announced he is ending his nine year losing battle against unbearable, intractable chronic pain due to injuries he sustained just five days after his deployment to Iraq that left him paralyzed from the chest down. Now dependent on a feeding tube, Thomas announced that after celebrating his one year anniversary with his wife, he will begin to wean his body off the liquid nourishment and medications sustaining him and slowly "go away."

Here is a link to a recent 3/21 interview with Tomas on Democracy Now:

Here is a link to a republication of the letter Tomas wrote to Former President George W. Bush and Former Vice President Dick Cheney on the 10th Anniversary of the Iraq War:

PLEDGE: Tomas Young - Iraq War Vet/Anti-War Activist: Our Pledge to You:

Dear Tomas,

As citizens of the United States and in honor of your memory, we pledge to work steadfastly to make sure we have a healthcare system that does not allow people in pain to suffer as you have been forced to suffer, and to make certain we elect public servants who do not squander American lives as the Bush administration and the congress serving at that time squandered yours.

We see you. We hear you. We will not remain passive. We will not be silent.

Farewell, Tomas, and thank you.

The Undersigned

Nancy C (806)
Thursday May 2, 2013, 5:09 pm
I'm late but here and engaged in my friends' accounts of their experiences. Thank you so much for sharing the realities of your specific situations and shedding light on the deceitful package of war rhetoric and lies. Signing, sharing, working for women in power and the recognition/aid to those who sacrifice time and more...

Judy C (97)
Thursday May 9, 2013, 12:24 am
Thanks so much for your comments, and for the links, Jelica. The first two I'm familiar with, and are very worthwhile. The third I'll check out, because I haven't seen that Pledge.

Thanks to you, too, Nancy. I appreciate your comments and support for all the people who are touched by the ongoing evils of these wars. So many have shared here, and this thread is remarkable in itself. I just found your comment in my out-of-control inbox, and I revisited this article. I try to keep up, but I often fall short.
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