Sunday June 1, 2008, 10:25 am
The War on Iraq as Illegal and Illegitimate*
by David Krieger
http://www.wagingpeace.org/articles/2005/03/00_krieger_war-illegal-illegitimate.htm

“The Iraqi dictator must not be permitted to threaten America and the world with horrible poisons and diseases and gases and atomic weapons.”

George W. Bush, October 7, 2002

"I think unless the United Nations shows some backbone and courage, it could render the Security Council irrelevant."

George W. Bush, February 17, 2003
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let's not forget the 935 lies that he pardoned the bushadministration for.

this man is not above the law. he works for the people and we have the right to demand justice. But, it takes all of us to do something about it.
Over a million people have signed the petition to impeach Bush and Cheney, and that's still not enough. Yet, a BLOWJOB is cause for impeachment.
what's going on with this country?
WAKE UP PEOPLE BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE! WAKE YOUR NEIGHBOR UP! FOR EVERY ONE THAT DOESN'T WAKE UP, A FEW WILL.

Sunday June 1, 2008, 10:26 am
Can I be on that jury? Guilty, guilty, guilty!!

Sunday June 1, 2008, 10:49 am

Thanks for keeping the truth out there, Kim!

Sunday June 1, 2008, 10:50 am
No Doubt Guilty Guilty Guilty welcome to beautiful the hague!
The International Court of Justice (known colloquially as the World Court or ICJ; French: Cour internationale de Justice) is the primary judicial organ of the United Nations. It is based in the Peace Palace in The Hague, Netherlands, sharing the building with the Hague Academy of International Law, a private centre for the study of international law. Several of the Court's current judges are either alumni or former faculty members of the Academy.

Established in 1945 by the UN Charter, the Court began work in 1946 as the successor to the Permanent Court of International Justice. The Statute of the International Court of Justice, similar to that of its predecessor, is the main constitutional document constituting and regulating the Court.[1] The ICJ should not be confused with the International Criminal Court, which also potentially has "global" jurisdiction.

English and French are its two official languages.

The Court's workload is characterised by a wide range of judicial activity. Its main functions are to settle legal disputes submitted to it by member states and to give advisory opinions on legal questions submitted to it by duly authorized international organs, agencies and the UN General Assembly. The ICJ has dealt with relatively few cases in its history, but there has clearly been an increased willingness to use the Court since the 1980s, especially among developing countries. The United States withdrew from compulsory jurisdiction in 1986, and so accepts the court's jurisdiction only on a case-to-case basis. Chapter XIV of the United Nations Charter authorizes the UN Security Council to enforce World Court rulings, but this is subject to the veto of the permanent five members of the Council. Presently there are twelve cases on the World Court's docket.

Sunday June 1, 2008, 10:56 am
thanks kim i watched on myspace this morning ***************

Sunday June 1, 2008, 11:23 am
Indeed Bush is corrupt. But you all forgot the little detail...they will get rid of him for another corrupt scumbag. Its how it works. When one of them becomes useless they replace them. And I do not trust the man on the vid either. His role is to make everyone hate bush, get the peoples attention them they ellect a new candidate who acts really promising, says what the people want to hear then the cycle starts again. Theres no point in believing in a new president, they are all the same. Shed your ways of your government runned lives.

Sunday June 1, 2008, 11:25 am
well I'm ready to march...when we leaving? I love this Vincent guy...Great Find Kim!!!!

Sunday June 1, 2008, 11:32 am
THanks Kim and noted!!!

Sunday June 1, 2008, 11:40 am
Yeah like Shroedinger says, they're all scum and they want the same thing - ultimate power, it's how they work, it's the people above Bush that are the problem to like the federal reserve and the world banks. We don't need anyone to tell us what to do and how to run our lives, we have had enough, lets have peace!

Sunday June 1, 2008, 11:45 am
Thanks Kim, What a great post!!

Sunday June 1, 2008, 12:03 pm
THE ONLY WAY THEY WILL GET ANOTHER SCUMBAG IN OFFICE IS IF WE DON'T ELECT RON PAUL...HE IS STILL A CANDIDATE AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO IGNORE HIM AS LONG AS "WE THE PEOPLE" ALLOW IT...THE ONLY PERSON THAT IS RUNNING THAT WILL SAVE THIS COUNTRY IS THE GOOD DOCTOR...AND IF YOU WOULD GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR BUTT YOU WOULD BE OUTRAGED AT THE BLATANT WAY THE ELITE AND MEDIA HAVE EXCLUDED HIM AND YOU WOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT...LETTERS, RALLIES, PHONE CALLS, PETITIONS...WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO GET OUR ONCE GREAT COUNTRY BACK!!!
THERE ARE GRASSROOTS CANDIDATES RUNNING LOCALLY, THERE ARE PEOPLE LEFT IN POLITICS THAT BELIEVE IN OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND IT'S UP TO ALL OF US TO SEE THAT THEY ARE ELECTED, AND NOT IGNORED LIKE THEY ARE DOING TO RON PAUL.
IT'S SAD THAT THEY ARE DOING IT, BUT IT'S SADDER THAT WE AREN'T DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT, EXCEPT SPREADING THE NEWS TO THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ALREADY KNOW ALL THIS ;)

Sunday June 1, 2008, 12:05 pm
I shall be buying the book! TY Kim. I keep thinking about this in practical terms. I wonder what would happen if we got a huge bunch of Iraq and Afghan vets to help deliver the subpoena? (Would the 'bodyguards' fire on the unarmed vets?)

Sunday June 1, 2008, 12:10 pm
Yes it would be great but we must ask ourselves who is actually pulling the strings. Bush is not clever enough to have orchestrated all this there are other behind it and THEY need to be brought to justice too!!!
Bush will just become the scapegoat and the next president will become the next puppet. Nothing will change.

Sunday June 1, 2008, 12:16 pm
RON PAUL IS NOT A PUPPET! AND WITH HIS HELP WE CAN GET RID OF THE ELITE, NEOCON, ASSHOLES. THEY ARE OUTNUMBERED AND THEIR SECRETS AREN'T SO SECRET ANYMORE.
GREAT NEWS HUH?

Sunday June 1, 2008, 12:22 pm
Dear Kim
How do you think Ron Paul can do that, he will be the same puppet on a string unless he can get rid of the rulers...but first he would need to be in power or do you see him as the leader of the revolution?

Sunday June 1, 2008, 2:11 pm

GREAT comments here! (I'm lovin' it.)

Sunday June 1, 2008, 2:18 pm

In the case of Stanley Hilton, who attempted to sue GWB over government complicity in 911, representing families of victims of the carnage:

"Stanley G. Hilton is a San Francisco, California, based attorney, political scientist, and former chief of staff for Bob Dole.[citation needed]

Hilton gained notoriety and condemnation as a conspiracy theorist for filing a $7 billion class action lawsuit, in 2002, against United States President George W. Bush, members of his administration (including Condoleezza Rice, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld) and others. The lawsuit supposedly had 400 plaintiffs including 14 families of 9/11 victims [1], with only two named plaintiffs. [2] [3] The lawsuit alleged Bush administration complicity in allowing the September 11, 2001 attacks. The case was dismissed on Dec. 30, 2004, the judge ruling that US citizens do not have any right to sue a sitting President, based on the Doctrine of Sovereign Immunity; that the lawsuit "presents a non-justiciable political question;" that the plaintiffs "lack standing to sue on behalf of all taxpayers;" that the plaintiffs "failed to establish the required causal connection between [their] alleged injuries and these defendants' conduct;" and that "deficiencies of the complaint could not be cured by amendment."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Hilton

Perhaps, now that he is about to be "unseated," that is why we are now seeing a rash of articles outing the truth behind 911.

Sunday June 1, 2008, 3:21 pm
I wonder if Ron paul would be up for leading a revolution? Someone sure needs to. This has got to stop somewhere, and I can only see it ending with a revolution. But the matter that is most important is to get rid of all this horrible greed on this earth.

Sunday June 1, 2008, 8:10 pm

CALL CONYERS JUNE 3 TO DEMAND IMPEACHMENT...

Here's the story here on care2 where you can note and get the word out about JUNE 3rd CALL IN DAY TO CONYER'S OFFICES.

http://www.care2.com/news/member/276942576/759411

Also, here are the numbers, remind him of his DUTY to put impeachment into action and remind him impeachment is NOT too late as it is never too late to uphold the law and it is never acceptable to claim there are not enough votes....it is not his job to say there are or are not enough votes, it is his job to uphold the law.............him saying he will not uphold the law is like a cop saying he won't arrest a murderer because a jury may not convict.

We have enough evidence on video tape with bush ADMITTING to impeachable crimes, same with cheney, we could impeach BOTH in ONE DAY.

Call Conyers (and others if you like, but at least him) on JUNE 3RD.

202-225-5126

202-224-3121

202-225-3951

313-961-5670

or 734-675-4084.

Demand it.

Sunday June 1, 2008, 8:19 pm

We need to get this video (I would make copies of it and circulate it everywhere, plus make copies in case it gets knocked off youtube) and get it to EVERY PROSECUTOR AND EVERY POLITICIAN IN THIS COUNTRY.

You can get blank DVDs cheap.

Spread it around and let's get ONE prosecutor to stand up like he said, let's just at least get ONE, ok?

Sunday June 1, 2008, 8:21 pm
Yes Hans all will be puppets until the puppet masters are gone...Yes indeedee.

Big Gorilly Hugs

Sunday June 1, 2008, 8:26 pm

BTW it's

1,217,892

Iraqis killed

according to

http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html

That's over a million people and bushco is wanting to attack Iran.
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Sunday June 1, 2008, 8:33 pm

Sorry for the multiple posts, but here's the link to the book on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Prosecution-George-W-Bush-Murder/dp/159315481X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212377498&sr=8-1

Sunday June 1, 2008, 9:19 pm

The following is a quote from Ron Kovic (best know for "Born on the 4th of July"), from a recent news article:

"To kill another human being, to take another life out of this world with one pull of a trigger, is something that never leaves you. It is as if a part of you dies with that person. If you choose to keep on living, there may be a healing, and even hope and happiness again, but that scar and memory and sorrow will be with you forever. Why did the recruiters never mention these things? This was never in the slick pamphlets they gave us."

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/86654/?page=1

Sunday June 1, 2008, 9:28 pm
Thank you NotSilent for spreading the news to call John Conyers on June 3rd. I will be calling. We need to get this dictator out of office before he attacks Iran. Send this devil worshiper to the hell that he so deserves. Judgement day is coming to him and Rockerfeller. Down with the Federal Reserve and down with the Bush administration. We know we where we can send the police for him in July. He will be worshiping Moloch in Bohemian Grove along with all the other devil worshipers. It is time for us to get a FEARLESS leader and one that uses DIPLOMACY.

Sunday June 1, 2008, 9:47 pm
We must restore respect for America by showing the world we do NOT hold ourselves to "higher" standards that the rest of the world when it comes to crimminally distructive leaders!!!

Sunday June 1, 2008, 11:46 pm
Bit late now for the book isn't it? I mean what is? Five years of murder, torture, rape destruction for the Iraqis. Now???
The damage is already done. Bush is after all only a puppet....this author is an opportunist.It's too late.

Monday June 2, 2008, 12:47 am
I think that this is all setup, Bush is gone anyway now so lets show them that
democracy is real.....and not fake as it is!
Yes Hans all will be puppets until the puppet masters are gone...
How do you get rid of the puppet masters? they control everything if they think time has come foor their puppet GWB than time has come! Sinc the next puupet is ready to jump anyway...no matter what name he or she will have!

Monday June 2, 2008, 1:43 am

If bush is convicted in a federal court, he would appeal to the Supreme Court, they would overturn the conviction and find him innocent, and he could not be tried again in a U.S. court due to double jeopardy.

He could be tried in the world court, but of course the Democrats voted for the Military Commissions Act exempting him (and themselves, of course, since they voted for everything he did) from prosecution for war crimes. World Court law says that dictators cannot exempt themselves from international law, but the United States, being the world's sole stupidpower, doesn't care what anybody else says or does. It acts unilaterally and has no regard to treaties or laws of any kind. It tortures and kills at will wherever and whenever it wants.

Shroedinger is right, there is no savior riding in on a clean white election to save us. It is the system that it corrupt because it a democracy where people have the ultimate power, it is not a republic where representatives have the ultimate power, it is a fascist dictatorship where the military-industrial complex and the big multinationals select the candidates, program the voting machines, own the media, and tell the government what to do. The defense contractors and the big corporations write the laws and the legislators vote for them without even bothering to read them.

The Ron Paul supporters aren't stupid. They don't really think he can get the nomination, no less get elected. They know he's going to throw his support to McCain and they know they are going to vote for McCain. but in the meantime they can use him as a means of convincing people to vote in yet another rigged election instead of withdrawing our consent from an illegitimate government and refusing to vote.

Well, okay, not all of them are politically savvy. Some really believe in him. When people desperately need a savior almost any old savior will do.

Monday June 2, 2008, 1:45 am

Oops, got carried away again. Thanks for posting, Kim, and thanks to Rats for the forward.

Monday June 2, 2008, 8:23 am
That's a powerful quote, Just Carole - unfortunately, too many will find out too late just how true it is.

As for charging Bush - yes, he may get away with murder and yes, it may be for naught. But it's a start and let's others know we won't tolerate this any more.

Monday June 2, 2008, 10:31 am
Historically governments have always had corruption and have always looked for ways to control it's citizens and keep them all believing in an ideal that is harmonic with their idea of "god'. The rulers idea of "god" determines in what way the world should be run. This goes way back to the "Divine right of Kings" in the context that a certain bloodline or ideology is divinely approved and/or appointed - to give to and /or rule over the masses. These people who ruled-supposedly had more knowledge and wisdom than the "common" person and were "connected to and/or appointed by "God". Traces of this thought stream remain today.
There have always been murders and some form of removing the opposition to the manifestation of the "True ideal" of how to achieve their vision of world domination, Divine Law, Peace,ect. (peace?). None of this is new.
People have been trying to rule the world since the beginning of man, kings and rulers.The divine right to rule and appointment by "god" has been the reason for all the wars on this planet-this one time honored "truth" has been the sole source of how mankind has always been duped into carrying out the perverse ideology of any government by appealing to humankind's fear of not pleasing their "God/Ruler". This is how they control humanity.They use the difference in "moral beliefs" over what is "good" just ect. This is the fuel that all rulers use to lead and control their subjects. In America's case the ideals they use are Freedom and Liberty-these are just and noble ideals and goals -however the Moral police of "governments ruled and guided by "god" - define for us "the kingdom or government's personal religion."
Has to whose god- and how their god views that countries actions-they place before our eyes,the definition of what "gods" ideals and laws are. So in essence they place before our eyes the "carrot" of moral good, and "gods judgement" and since the Rulers are being led by "god" and "moral" right- we as the sheeples are supposed to follow along just like always. In this country- the government did not count on the awakening. Our government thought that if they were found out about, there would be a war and uprising from the citizens of this country- so they built concentration camps for those and have their propaganda machines ready to crank out who and what their ideas of criminals are and how "they" are following the "right moral path" and how the dissenters(who would be us)are just "fanatics."
They keep the sheeples distracted by playing on the "God theme", moral good and the ideaology of the relgious belief system - This is a great country but we have to first wake up to the fact that they have always lied for the most part and used the idealogy of "we are divinly right" Demonizing "they"--- whoever they are are at the time--- spouting -"they"do not believe in "our God" so they worship the "devil" and worship the wrong "god" thereby invoking humanities deepest fear of angering "god' -then the rulers and/or government- of course-- have the moral right to make sure that the right god and the proper belief system is instilled thereby aquring 'Gods" favor and saving the souls from hell and society from judgement - in the process justifing horrors in the name of "god" - The Native Americans are well informed of this.
The only true answer is to become aware of how governments/Rulers manipulate people by holding out the "god and moral good" carrot and then refuse to be manipulated.When we refuse to define and fear some other persons view of the divine as "Satan" we will have begun the first step.
There will always be corruption - but how and what kind ,along with how widespread is up to us. Most times the best we can do in this type of situation is to choose the lesser political"evil" which will allow us who want change and can see the truth, a space to teach others. Then time and teaching will take care of it.When mankind as a whole comes to the understanding that All is One and One is All and that we are all related - when we understand that their is only One God -One truth- no matter what name you call it- when we learn that Religion is not God- When the heart becomes attuned to the Blessings of life - then we as a species-- will not be able to be controlled by Governments of any kind.

Monday June 2, 2008, 10:44 am
Don't misunderstand me...i would be thrilled to see Bush and gang ie. Karl Rove, Condi, Rummy, Cheney...all of them treated with the same dignity they gave Saddam...and also with the same televised humilation and ending as Saddam...but as Mark so eloquently points out...they have covered their arses (so to speak) it won't happen ...so wishing for it and ddreaming about it doesn't do any good. Let's face it , most people in this country have bcome afraid to speak out (understandably) if that isn't the case then they are either ignorant, apathetic, complacent...or simply don't give a damn.

Monday June 2, 2008, 10:46 am
I shall not be voting for anyone the choices are simply unacceptable.

Monday June 2, 2008, 10:47 am
I refuse to play their game. I am simply observing at this point.

Monday June 2, 2008, 11:22 am

I have nothing to add to all the wise comments here.

Thank you Kim,for posting this.

Monday June 2, 2008, 11:33 am

Silence is complicity, none of us can just observe...we have to do everything we can to get elections back to the point where they are real, we have to wake up our fellow Americans and military and government officials which IS happening and we need to push as hard as we can in whatever way we can to stop these lunatics and show the world we are at least trying.

No one can say for certain that we can't do anything and with all due respect Mark and Anita, you can not PROVE that we will not be able to impeach and get war crimes trials going and stop the almost inevitable attack upon Iran.

You can't prove it.

BUT....I can prove something.

If we all say we can't do anything and don't try to change it,,,then we will lose.

I would rather spend my time trying than spend my time talking about how it's useless.

There are innocent people dying and I doubt any of them would like to know that those of us that are aware are willing to throw in the towel.

The Dalai Lama, Reverend King, Ghandi, Nelson Mandella and countless others have gone up against insurmountable odds and they probably didn't waste time, energy and emotional strength calculating if they would succeed or not.

They saw a problem and pushed against it.

Period.

I choose to do the same.

Monday June 2, 2008, 11:47 am
Let's wake up people - STRENGTH IN NUMBERS!!! I'm in...

Monday June 2, 2008, 11:53 am

Anita, NotSilent, Alf, Kim, everyone, there's another topic going on where your voice is needed and this time you get a REAL voice. Pro or con, everyone's listening, so come have your say and invite your friends:

Uncounted - The New Math of American Elections

Monday June 2, 2008, 12:04 pm
Strenth in numbers and collective energy. I hope someone up there is listening and the ciminals serve their time... thank you for posting this.

Monday June 2, 2008, 12:48 pm
bit late for that book dead every where damge mess and destroy every where in iraq no water no electricty no doctors no medicin no work no money no life in iraq I hate G.W. Bush for all what he did in my country Iraq he is Iraqi killer

Monday June 2, 2008, 1:56 pm
Thanks for posting Kim.
I guess Ron Paul will not be elected, however, he would be the next Kennedy and most probably be killed.
Ron Paul is better for the opposition, since he is very bright, and clear in his statements. It would help any honest president, to set things straight.
Anyway, Bush has to be stopped ... he is a dangerous man.

Monday June 2, 2008, 2:40 pm
Thank you Kim I agree with him.He should be prosecuted.

Monday June 2, 2008, 7:29 pm

I just bought the book.

Monday June 2, 2008, 9:05 pm

OK folks, this is it:

You can get the book here (and elsewhere): amazon.com


Then get out and talk to: Full Contact List for the Attorneys General


And Google "___ District Attorney" (fill in the blank with your county)

Let's get to work on this and make it happen. At the VERY least it will shine a light on the subject, so let's get moving.



Thanks and Peace


NotSilent

Tuesday June 3, 2008, 6:01 am
GREAT POST SIS!!! There is nothing I can add that wasn't said above. I'd just be a repeater. My only thought though is Yes we need a Revolution, and it needs to start at the top of Our Government with Our elected officals saying their not taking it anymore and then the people would follow a Governmental Revolution.

Tuesday June 3, 2008, 6:43 am
Noted

Tuesday June 3, 2008, 7:30 am
Noted, thank you for posting Kim !

Tuesday June 3, 2008, 10:07 am
Another good presidential candidate is Bill Balsamico, from Pennsylvania. He is also a grassroots individual.

Tuesday June 3, 2008, 10:44 am
Hey, people well said. I also think that we need to get together and overthrow the Government. why? Because not only are they not running the political issues right, they are also allowing a lot of bad bussiness to run, like Poisons in our food, injustice, low minumum wages, poisonous medicine, squeezing our pockets, putting us in debt, and on top of all that they are violating our basic human rights. They are undoubtfully CORRUPTED!!! The Government needs a Reform, Lets think about the solution!!

Tuesday June 3, 2008, 10:48 am
The Biggest Problem is that Most People are afraid to do anything, and that is our Greatest Weakness!!!!

If we would take the courage to all do something about all the issues were facing today, and not back up, We could fix everything!!!

Tuesday June 3, 2008, 4:34 pm
adorable fantasies must be nice...cant wait to see what the next war monger prez is accused of. the US gets what it deserves thats freedom, time to try and accept reponsibility for who we elect,

Tuesday June 3, 2008, 4:53 pm
Why can not the people here over throw the goverment? I'm serious. If you go to the polls and vote then your still in with the goverment and playing into there hands it won't stop it will just continue and get no better for they all lie through there teeth just to get power. Then all of a sudden oh no!! I forgot what I had promised oh well doesn't matter I'm here now and they will have to deal with it!!!. Don't vote No Votes No Goverment!!! Then let we the people get our country back. Sounds a little out there but, its the truth. We the people can choose who we want not by what they say we have to choose, or who has the most money, for if you ain't got big bucks you can't even run for President. Plus major sucking up to higher people all your life. Call me crazy I just call them the way I see them. Yea Bush and his cronies all need to be behind bar's but he's a weesel and will worm his self out of it. The others will take the fall. Thanks Kim.

Tuesday June 3, 2008, 5:04 pm

Here's a new group, looking for members, who feel as you do Ms. B (and all others). They are newly-formed (as of yesterday) and desperately in need of several volunteers:

Put the NO Back in November
http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/NOvember

Tuesday June 3, 2008, 5:45 pm
What a waste of perfectly good paper.

Tuesday June 3, 2008, 7:17 pm
IMPEACH, but do not forget, they will vote for themselves. They are self made a$$ holes and they worship their creator

Tuesday June 3, 2008, 8:39 pm

At amazon, it says the book is #206 in sales rank in Books, and that's in only a week! I bought mine @ Barnes and Noble, please get a copy.

Below the link to it on Amazon, please read it and act upon it, above in the comments I put the link to all 50 attorneys general and how you can find your district attorney.

If you actually want our nation back we have to join together in this (and other things).

Click here:
http://www.amazon.com/Prosecution-George-W-Bush-Murder/dp/159315481X/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1212550275&sr=1-4

Up in the comments are the other links I mentioned, is anyone else going to do this?

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Tuesday June 3, 2008, 8:58 pm

Michael, Michael, Michael . . .

Welcome back! (huge grin)

Wednesday June 4, 2008, 7:40 am
If American couch potatoes try any of this "revolution" stuff, seriously, you will be up against TRAINED, DISCIPLINED SOLDIERS WITH LETHAL FORCE AT THEIR COMMAND -- and that LETHAL FORCE, will be pointed straight at YOU.
If anyone is really SERIOUS about "revolution", and not just talking about it, it will be ABSOLUTELY IMPERATIVE to get those trained, disciplined SOLDIERS ON YOUR SIDE.
You cannot just ASSUME the soldiers aren't brainwashed and "won't fire on their friends and fellow-Americans". Soldiers and police and armed guards DID FIRE ON AND THREATEN AMERICANS DURING THE KATRINA DISASTER. While we all stood and watched.
It is absolutely IMPERATIVE, if you are really serious about "revolution", to GET THE SOLDIERS INDIVIDUALLY, ONE BY ONE, AND FINALLY, AS ENTIRE UNITS, ON YOUR SIDE.
Otherwise, you are indulging in nothing but pipe dreams, inflated feel-good rhetoric, and wishful and magical thinking.
Those guns and tear gas containers and other lethal force weapons are not just going to EVAPORATE in the sunlight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is ANYONE working among the military, getting the soldiers on our side? Yes, we have the VETERANS; and the RETIRED OFFICERS who no longer have to worry about their pensions. But, is anyone TRYING TO REACH THE SOLDIERS CURRENTLY SERVING UNDER ARMS??????
It will be a sign and a signal that the LETHAL FORCE is going to be NOT USED AGAINST US, when that SAME LETHAL FORCE is NO LONGER USED AGAINST THE IRAQI PEOPLE. In other words, WHEN THE SOLDIERS STOP FIGHTING AND STOP OBEYING THE ORDERS OF THEIR COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, BUSH.

AS LONG AS THE SOLDIERS UNDER ARMS HERE AND ABROAD, KEEP ON OBEYING THE ORDERS OF THEIR COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, THEN BUSH IS ABSOLUTELY SAFE FROM ANY SORT OF PROSECUTION AND CONSEQUENCES OF HIS CRIMES.
This should be OBVIOUS. To anyone with an iota of common sense. But, no-one apparently wants to look at the Elephant in the living room!!!!!!!
As long as LETHAL FORCE is in the hands of people OBEDIENT TO BUSH, THE HEAD OF THE ARMY, Bush can EXPECT ALL HIS ORDERS TO BE CARRIED OUT.
Orders for third and fourth and fifth deployments; for attacking Iran; attacking Katrina victims; and orders for attacking US, if we decide to "revolt", however peacefully and non-violently on our part.
Why is nobody contacting the soldiers about these things? They are home on leave, are joining the military, are on bases....... and on the Internet. It is NOT IMPOSSIBLE to contact a soldier, or a unit!!!
[And I DO know what I am talking about...... ]

Wednesday June 4, 2008, 8:13 am
Hate to rain on anyone's parade; but, "not voting" might make you feel better about yourself, as a personal "statement". However, this "tactic" is based on the FALLACY of, "everybody" has to do it, to be effective. And, you will NEVER get "everybody" to do ANYthing. If "everybody" didn't pay their taxes..... if "everybody" boycotted Exxon..... uh, uh, ain't gonna be that way. NEVER.
This is not to say, that we ALL can't take SOME action for positive Social Change. But, we will all see DIFFERENT actions to take, according to our lights.
Every indication is, that in spite of heart-felt efforts by people here and elsewhere to encourage "not voting", there is actually going to be a RECORD TURNOUT in this coming election. Well-funded organizations like the AFL-CIO are instituting door-to-door campaigns to "get out the vote". Young people and college students, one hears, are registering to vote in record numbers. There will most likely be a HIGHER PERCENTAGE of people casting votes in this {s}election, than in any others of recent memory.

Sure, just like if your conscience says, don't do business on the Sabbath; if your conscience {or logic} says don't vote, then don't vote. It will have the same effect on the mainstream.
However, that won't stop elections from happening. It WON'T stop the government from governing! Such urging will NOT influence more than a tiny minority; who will be swamped and overshadowed to the point of becoming invisible! And it will NOT change the FACT, that SOMEONE will be {s}elected!
Sure, follow your conscience on Sabbath-observance or on voting! Whatever feels right to you!
However, there are MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE ACTIONS that an INDIVIDUAL, or a relatively small group, can take. It is time for NON-VIOLENT CIVIL DIS-OBEDIENCE; such as actually BLOCKING the levers of government. For example, those courageous individuals who ACTUALLY BLOCK PORTS SHIPPING WAR MATERIEL TO THEATRES OF WAR. As happened in Olympia and Tacoma, Washington State, for example. And, if we personally are in no position to take such non-violent but often risky action, WE CAN MAKE VOCAL AND NOISY AND OBVIOUS, OUR SUPPORT FOR THOSE WHO DO TAKE SUCH ACTION.
THIS is an example of how a SMALL MINORITY, EVEN AN INDIVIDUAL, CAN MAKE A REAL DIFFERENCE. And, this HAS influence on MASS PUBLIC OPINION.

Wednesday June 4, 2008, 10:25 am

BMutiny wrote: "Hate to rain on anyone's parade; but, "not voting" might make you feel better about yourself, as a personal "statement". However, this "tactic" is based on the FALLACY of, "everybody" has to do it, to be effective. And, you will NEVER get "everybody" to do ANYthing. If "everybody" didn't pay their taxes..... if "everybody" boycotted Exxon..... uh, uh, ain't gonna be that way. NEVER."

There's a topic Uncounted where I discuss that straw man. You don't need everybody. The legitimacy of the Apartheid regime in South Africa was destroyed when they had low turnout for an election in which they expected high turnout. It not only can be done, it HAS been done.

BMutiny: "This is not to say, that we ALL can't take SOME action for positive Social Change. But, we will all see DIFFERENT actions to take, according to our lights."

That's fine, as long as the action are for change, not repeating the same mistakes over and over and over and calling it change.

BMutiny: "Every indication is, that in spite of heart-felt efforts by people here and elsewhere to encourage "not voting", there is actually going to be a RECORD TURNOUT in this coming election. Well-funded organizations like the AFL-CIO are instituting door-to-door campaigns to "get out the vote". Young people and college students, one hears, are registering to vote in record numbers. There will most likely be a HIGHER PERCENTAGE of people casting votes in this {s}election, than in any others of recent memory."

Just like the last two Presidential elections, which both broke all previous records for turnout. Remember how successful the extraordinarily high Democratic voter turnout and the popular vote WINS for Gore and Kerry were? If you want change, you don't keep repeating the same mistakes.

BMutiny: "Sure, just like if your conscience says, don't do business on the Sabbath; if your conscience {or logic} says don't vote, then don't vote. It will have the same effect on the mainstream."

I do fully understand that, BMutiny. Just because I can't in good conscience vote for anyone committed to continuing war crimes and crimes against humanity, doesn't mean that most good Germans, I mean good Americans, will vote on the basis of something more important to them than the deaths of millions of innocents in wars of aggression, something like personal charisma, campaign lies, party loyalties, friendships, vested interests in other issues, or whatever. War crimes won't even enter their minds.

BMutiny: "However, that won't stop elections from happening. It WON'T stop the government from governing! Such urging will NOT influence more than a tiny minority; who will be swamped and overshadowed to the point of becoming invisible! And it will NOT change the FACT, that SOMEONE will be {s}elected!
Sure, follow your conscience on Sabbath-observance or on voting! Whatever feels right to you!"

That sort of reasoning would have justified voting for Hitler or Stalin.

BMutiny: "However, there are MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE ACTIONS that an INDIVIDUAL, or a relatively small group, can take. It is time for NON-VIOLENT CIVIL DIS-OBEDIENCE; such as actually BLOCKING the levers of government. For example, those courageous individuals who ACTUALLY BLOCK PORTS SHIPPING WAR MATERIEL TO THEATRES OF WAR. As happened in Olympia and Tacoma, Washington State, for example. And, if we personally are in no position to take such non-violent but often risky action, WE CAN MAKE VOCAL AND NOISY AND OBVIOUS, OUR SUPPORT FOR THOSE WHO DO TAKE SUCH ACTION."

I'm in favor of that, but it didn't stop a single bullet from reaching Iraq. Have you forgotten that the protests against the Iraq war were the largest protests in history? And they didn't stop the war plans.

BMutiny: "THIS is an example of how a SMALL MINORITY, EVEN AN INDIVIDUAL, CAN MAKE A REAL DIFFERENCE. And, this HAS influence on MASS PUBLIC OPINION."

As if fascist governments care about mass public opinion.

If in spite of the rigged elections, Obama wins the popular vote, as both Gore and Kerry did, and doesn't concede to his Republican opponent anyway "for the good of the country" as both Gore and Kerry did, here's what he will do upon taking office (the exact same things McCain would do):

1.Issue blanket pardons to everyone in the Bush administration. Whoever takes office will be carrying on the same war crimes and will need the next President to pardon them.

2. Give a top spot in their administration to Joe Lieberman or make him Ambassador to Israel. Both candidates owe him a huge debt for his success in uniting the two parties behind a war crimes agenda. Obama also owes Lierberman for his long-term mentorship, and McCain because Lieberman is a Bush loyalist (and Gore knew that when he picked him as a running mate. Gore is a Bush loyalist also or he wouldn't have conceded without a fight).

3. Escalate the wars and maybe start a new one to repay the military-industrial complex for their campaign and media support, and their rigging of the voting machines and central tabulators, without which no candidate could get "elected."

Then Congress will legalize marijuana and we can all get stoned and watch the torture and war crimes and the babies being killed on TV.

It isn't the candidates, it is the system that is fascist. It is the system that must be opposed, and you can't oppose a fascist system by voting in its rigged elections for its war criminal candidates. You either support it by participating in it, working within it, and voting within it, or you oppose it by withdrawing your support and refusing to help legitimize a fascist government engaged in wars of aggression.

Some of the so-called peace activist groups care deeply about our troops, but not about the innocent Iraqi and Afghan civilians killed. They don't want to close the concentration camps, they just want better pay and working conditions for the guards.

Fascism is fascism, BMutiny. I will NOT support it, I will NOT vote for it, and I have a very hard time understanding anyone who would. I was raised to be anti-fascist and to oppose crimes against humanity. I would never vote for anyone committed to continuing wars of agression, not even if they were only committed to continuing them for one week and their opponent was committed to continuing them for eternity. Wars of agression are the worst of all crimes against humanity and to perpetrate them, fund them, or support them for a day, an hour, or a second, is to have no conscience.

Wednesday June 4, 2008, 10:39 am

If you want to talk about an elephant in the living room, BMutiny, how about the fact that ALL the major candidates are committed to continuing the war crimes and that nobody wants to talk about it? It's "off the table" as far as the election goes. You can talk about anything else, but just don't mention the crimes against humanity. Because they aren't important? Because nobody cares? THIS is quadrennial psychosis, when people who devote their lives to peace, vote for candidates committed to war and urge others to do the same. I will NEVER understand it.

Wednesday June 4, 2008, 2:12 pm
great video put in favorites he not only murders men but also our animals he just likes to kill

Wednesday June 4, 2008, 4:57 pm
HOW I WISH SUCH VIDEOS (& other news WE share here) & MUCH of our discussions could be shared in MAJOR MEDIA WHERE MORE CITIZENS COULD LEARN & EVEN JOIN IN!!!

Thursday June 5, 2008, 3:10 pm
WHEN THIS COUNTRY GETS AWAY FROM A FREE ELECTION AND INSTEAD DOES A SELECTION WE KNOW WE ARE TURNING COMMUNIST. THE MEDIA HAS COVERED ALL BUT ONE OF THE CANDIDATES RUNNING FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND HAS DONE NOTHING BUT PUSH MCCAIN, CLINTON, AND OBAMA. THEY DID NOT COVER RON PAUL. THIS IS UNFAIR TO THE AMERICAN POPULATION. WHY? BECAUSE THE MEDIA SHAPES PUBLIC OPINION. THEY HAVE HARNESSED A POWER TO MAKE YOU THINK WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO THINK. THIS IS COMMUNISM. THIS COUNTRY'S CONSTITUTION HAS BEEN WALKED ALL OVER. CENSORSHIP OF THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO PROTEST. THIS IS COMMUNISM. WHEN YOU THINK YOU ARE LIVING IN A REPUBLIC THINK AGAIN. IF THE GOV'T TELLS YOU WHAT YOU CAN PLANT, FARMERS, THIS IS COMMUNISM. WHEN YOUR GOV'T INTERFERES IN THE EDUCATION OF YOUR CHILD, THIS IS COMMUNISM. THESE CLASSROOMS TODAY ARE TEACHING HOW GREAT EVERY COUNTRY IS AND HOW OURS WAS STARTED BY A TRAITOR. DO YOU WANT YOUR CHILD BEING BRAINWASHED? WHERE IS THAT GREAT AMERICAN PATRIOTISM? WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO "I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, UNDER THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, ....?" PEOPLE IF YOU BELIEVE FREEDOM IS FREE, IT IS NOT. IT MUST BE FOUGHT FOR AND AS GOOD CITIZENS OF AMERICA YOU MUST DO YOUR PART IN KEEPING CHECKS AND BALANCES ON YOUR LOCAL, STATE, AND FEDERAL GOV'TS. I LOVE AMERICA AND I LIKE IT TO STAY AMERICA. OTHERWISE OUR SOLDIERS DIE AND SERVE FOR NOTHING.

GOD BLESS THE WORLD

Thursday June 5, 2008, 3:56 pm
You are right Cheryl. I belive this is only part of the story because there is so much more to look at. It is not only communism it is evil!!!!
Do you know what these people in our government are under? Do a little research and you'll find out. Who believes in the Devil? I mean, who believes in his existence? Well belive it or not, Devil is a big part of this, I dont care if you are religious or not, its true, I have done the research. And guess what??!! Our Corrupted Government is planning on taking over the whole world. The truth is that they have people working for them all over the world, planning to turn people further into slaves, taking peoples food and water, as they are doing today. The big companies that have all the money are doing this. I must say be careful not everyone is in this okay. There are many people that are not involved in this injustice.

Not everyone in the Government is corrupted, yet there are so many that are. You can try going to www.Polidics.com and there you'll find part of the story, believe but dont forget to use your good judgement ofcourse.
Not all the information may be absolutely true. However, I do know from research and personal experience that This is the truth* I really wish everyone would learn this and help find solutions to this problem.

Thursday June 5, 2008, 4:06 pm
I suggest that people read the book: " ANGELS AND DEMONS," By Dan Brown.
This novel explains a lot of reality. It talks about the history of science and religion, how they were once together and how and why they separated. It mentions a secret organization, its goals, and its history. Basically, it gives part of the facts about what is going on today. There is a satanic organization working to enslave us.

Thursday June 5, 2008, 4:09 pm
Erika - should note the book is fictional...

Thursday June 5, 2008, 4:26 pm
It is placed as a fictional novel and uses a fictional story and characters to portray what is truly behind, many truths.

Thursday June 5, 2008, 4:34 pm
You know, many people are afraid to talk about it.
When I first started reading this book, I thought it was completely fiction, but soon I found out that there was more to it, I cannot say everything I know personally about this issue,I think it is becoming personal.

Thursday June 5, 2008, 4:47 pm
I do belive, however that people should know the truth!

God will always protect us, especially when we are looking and advocating for the truth. Nothing could ever harm us when we believe that God will protect us.

The truth is that most people do not believe that this Government is under a Powerful Satanic Organization, and that this organization is very well hidden. It is so sad to see this reality, yet I still have faith.

I think that one of the solutions would be for everyone to know the truth, then it will be harder for people to be manitpulated over and over, If you know what the problem is and the truth, then you can find a solution, but if you dont, then you are at their mercy.

I really hope more people would wake up and pay attention. I am constantly doing a lot to help and wish other's do the same. We must do something, no matter how small, but small steps lead to greater achievements, and we must never let things get any worse, its time to take our turn.

Thursday June 5, 2008, 5:27 pm
I feel it reasonable to persecute President Bush for murder.

Thursday June 5, 2008, 5:31 pm

Bless your heart, Jason! *hug*

But it goes beyond "reasonable" to MANDATORY.

I don't think any reasonable person would question the necessity of prosecuting a mass murderer.

Friday June 6, 2008, 8:50 am
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Sunday June 8, 2008, 6:32 pm
I don't really see the point in impeaching him at this point, no matter what he has or hasn't done, he only has 5 more months left in office, it's not worth it.

Sunday June 8, 2008, 11:10 pm

Yes, Helen, I see your point. After all, with 4,000 of our troops already dead, we are only likely to lose a few hundred more in the next five months, so that's not important. And with more than a million dead in Iraq and about seven million dead in Afghanistan, we're only likely to kill a few hundred thousand more, including thousands of women, children, and infants, but with so much blood on our hands already, that doesn't really matter much. It isn't as if little things like wars of aggression and crimes against humanity are urgent or anything. And of course with so many trillions already spent on the wars that are costing more than a million dollars a day, another few hundred million is peanuts that we can easily afford to borrow from China and let our grandchildren pay interest on. Yeah, you're right, it really isn't worth it.

At least not to YOU.

It is definitely worth it to me.

But then I'm rather eccentric in that I happen to care.

Monday June 9, 2008, 5:15 am

There's another reason for not impeaching or prosecuting Bush and Cheney, Helen, and it also has to do with value or worth.

If we impeach or prosecute Bush and Cheney, how can the next President carry on their war crimes with impunity? It wouldn't be fair, after the Democrats and Republicans have spent all these years defying the will of their constituents and voting for whatever Bush & Cheney wanted, and using our tax money against our will to fund the wars that we don't want, not to let somebody else have a chance to be a War Lord, I mean War President, and get a bigger share of the war profits, which happen to be worth trillions of dollars. So it is VERY worth it to the war profiteers and those with stock in Halliburton and other defense contractors, NOT to impeach or prosecute Bush and Cheney so that they can carry on the Bush & Cheney wars.

Impeachment and/or prosecution for war crimes would not only spoil all their fun killing innocent babies, but it would interfere with corporate profits, and according to the Home Grown Terrorism Act, anything that interferes with corporate profits is terrorism. Corporations have an absolute right to kill babies, poison our food, torture animals, export our jobs, wreck our environment and our economy, and anything else they want to do for profit, and anyone who interferes is a homegrown terrorist. We don't want to be terrorists, do we?

Is it really worth the risk of being labeled terrorists just to try to end crimes against humanity?

If the war crimes aren't ended now, they will be continued by the next president for four or eight more years. There is no candidate with any chance of winning who hadn't voted for or voted to fund the war crimes and committed themself to continuing them.

If there was ANY possibility of change with a new administration, it MIGHT not be worth it to impeach and prosecute now instead of waiting five months, but the way things are, if we are willing to wait five months, the new President will think we're willing to wait another four or eight years.

Maybe you are, Helen, but again, I am NOT.

Monday June 9, 2008, 5:21 am

Interesting that my previous comment just disappeared. I did not make any personal attacks, I simply disagreed that it isn't worth stopping the deaths of our own troops and of innocent women and babies in Iraq and Afghanistan. I disagreed with the issue, not the person. I do not agree that it isn't worth impeaching and prosecuting so as to avoid the deaths of hundreds of our own troops and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis and Afghans over the next five months. I think that even saving the hundreds of millions of dollars that will be spent on the war in the next fives months is worth it, even though we can easily afford to borrow it from China and let our grandchildren pay it back.

Monday June 9, 2008, 5:22 am
Oh no! Another software glitch. One comment appears, then disappears and the other one appears then disappears.

Every time Care2 makes improvements, it seems like the glitches get worse!

Monday June 9, 2008, 7:39 am
It's not that we don't care... it's just that maybe some people know better then all of you in this... One of the things Bush promised after 9/11 is that there would be no more terrorist attacks on US Territory. Sure enough, have you heard of any terrorist attacks on U.S. soil?

Monday June 9, 2008, 7:45 am
Another thing is that you'd have to procecute all of congress if you want to procecute Bush. Congress could completely get us out of this war if they wanted to. Bush isn't completely responsible, He's a scapegoat for most of this, but i'm not denying that he has had a part in it.

Monday June 9, 2008, 7:49 am
It is not that we don't care... it's just not worth it. The impeachment process takes months. It's not like you can say "Oh Bush, we have no evidence, but we think you have done something illegal so we are going to arrest you! No, you can't... Suck it up... the soldiers who went to Iraq knew what they were doing when they signed up. It's an honor, not a crime, to give your life to your country. After 9/11, Bush promised that there would be no other terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. Sure enough, has there been any soil in the years since 9/11? NO!! Bush was doing his job to defend the country. Yea, maybe some of the consequences are harsh like gas prices and loss of lives, but you should be PROUD that these young men and women gave their lives so you could live a happy life where you could complain about the Bush administration all you want. Yet you don't care, and see it all as Bush's fault that they are dead. Maybe you should go sign up in the army, and see what pride there is, not just complaints.

Spare me the arguments. Nothing is going to change.

Monday June 9, 2008, 3:32 pm

Not only that, but we haven't been attack by Martians, hit by a meteor, or stampeded by drunken elephants. Other than terrorist attacks by U.S. citizens like Timothy McVeigh and the anthrax killer, we average a terrorist attack every six or seven years, most of them on foreign soil, and that was BEFORE Bush took office. Killing people that even Bush admits had nothing to do with 9/11, doesn't make us any safer.

Yes, Congress is just as guilty as Bush and they should all be impeached. Only Barbara Lee voted against the war.

There is plenty of evidence. Not just Bugliosi's book, but read Cowboy Republic by Marjorie Cohn and U.S. vs. Bush by former federal prosecutor Elizabeth de la Vega. The evidence for impeachment and for prosecution for high crimes and misdemeans has been documented for years, and in many cases publicly admitted to.

It is an honor to give your life to your country, not to Halliburton.

Wars of aggression are the worst crimes against humanity. I'm sure their parents were proud of the brave young Nazis who fought Hitler's wars of aggression, but they were still war crimes, not legitimate defense. You can't defend against somebody who never attacked you just because you make up lies to pretend they were a threat. Read the Downing Street Memos.

The evidence has been there for years. Those who have no eyes, will not see, they just blindly follow their fascist leaders.

The world gave us the benefit of the doubt at first and thought that we Americans were a decent people but we had a corrupt government. We are not all decent people. Some people are pro-war, and will continue to vote in rigged elections where peace is not on the ballot for candidates who cannot be held accountable.

Alex and Helen see no urgency in ending the war crimes and do not seem to understand that they are crimes against humanity, not defensive wars. But there are many Americans who do oppose the war, most Americans in fact, yet they keep voting to delegate their power to warmongers and war profiteers.

If we keep voting, they'll keep killing.

NO in NOvember -- sign the pledge

I don't see everything as Bush's fault, Alex. I know that Congress, both Democrats and Republicans, and citizens like yourself and Helen are equally guilty. If you would only have listened to Bush when he told you that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, you'd know that he wasn't defending the country. He told a lot of lies, but that wasn't one of them. I do not own stock in Halliburton, so nobody is sacrificing their life for my stock portfolio.

If you care about our military, why are so many veterans homeless? How could they have been sacrificing for your happy life when they can't even get a happy life for themselves?

After all these years of war, you don't want impeachment because it might take a few months to prevent another four, eight, or fifty years of crimes against humanity?

Iraq didn't attack us, there were no weapons of mass destruction, and killing innocent children in Afghanistan just because we funded terrorist groups there (Al Quedah was the name the CIA gave their data base of the terrorists they were funding) doesn't make us safer.

Tuesday June 10, 2008, 6:52 pm
There isn't any reason to be so disrespectful Mark. Honestly my sister is more polite then you, and that's saying a lot!

I have our opinions, you have yours. I'm not the only one who have this viewpoint either. So don't start dissing what I think. You can disagree, but you don't need to waste a paragraph trying to making me sound stupid with your sarcasm. I really don't apreaciate it, and btw, it's not making me change my view points, so I don't see why your continuing with it. You probably don't really care though.

If you want to start dissing people and putting people down for what they do, or don't stand for, become a politician. Make this country a better place! Obviously that's what you want!

Don't support wars, or whatever else you don't agree with, just don't put people with different ideas down. It not a becoming feature, It doesn't look good on anyone.

fyi, never in any of my comments did I say i was for the war, or for bush, I'm staying neutral right in my discussions. I'm not supporting anyone. so I'd appreasiate some slack please and thank you!

~Helen

Wednesday June 11, 2008, 4:48 am
AMEN

Wednesday June 11, 2008, 6:13 am
No weapons of mass destruction my @$$. The government, with good reason, probably shushed it up. People would panic. Do some research. And it has been what- SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS SINCE A TERRORIST ATTACK!!!!!! NO TERRORIST ATTACKS IN 7 OR 8 YEARS!! LOOK!! EVEN WHILE BUSH WAS PRESIDENT! HOW THE H3LL CAN YOU BE SO NAIVE? If we pulled our troops out, we'd be the first to be bombed. Bush has done nothing illegal. He was doing what he thought best for our country. Ya know what, Bush's approval ratings when we defended ourselves from that bombing on 9/11 WERE AT 83%! EIGHTY THREE PERCENT! If you were old enough, and at 68 I hope you were, you probably voted on his approval ratings. Enough people supported this DEFENSIVE ACTION that it happened. We are not in over our heads, but the majority people voted to SAVE our land... not impeaching people for doing what they think is best. Sure Bush isn't the best president, but he has the only one we've got SO SUCK IT UP!

Wednesday June 11, 2008, 6:41 am
WOW you really are argumentitive Alex! You really do have good points you know!

~Helen

Wednesday June 11, 2008, 7:03 am
Thanks Helen! You too!

~Alex

Wednesday June 11, 2008, 7:13 am
ummmmmmmm, ok!

~Helen

Wednesday June 11, 2008, 7:20 am
It's almost like we know each other... not that we do of course

~Alex

Wednesday June 11, 2008, 7:32 am
You accuse us of not caring, you son of a B!tch. We care, but not in the way you do. I do want the "defensive action" to end, but I understand what is going to happen if we pull troops out immediately-- you apparently don't.

"
Alex and Helen see no urgency in ending the war crimes and do not seem to understand that they are crimes against humanity, not defensive wars. But there are many Americans who do oppose the war, most Americans in fact, yet they keep voting to delegate their power to warmongers and war profiteers.
"
We are not voting to give power to warmongers and war profiteers, we are voting TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY FROM BEING A WAR TORN LAND!

Wednesday June 11, 2008, 7:35 am
OMG, WTF! YOU SIGN A PETITION TO TELL PEOPLE NOT TO VOTE???!!!1 NOW HERE YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED?! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?!!! YOU COMPLAIN AND WON'T VOTE TO CHANGE IT....

Wednesday June 11, 2008, 1:45 pm

McCain wants to continue the war.

Third party and independent candidates cannot get elected.

Obama's plan is to remove most U.S. troops from Iraq (while continuing the occupation of Afghanistan) by sending 9,000 more, keeping 20,000 to 80,000 there, but using more private military contractors like Blackwater, Triple Canopy, DynCorp, etc., to retain indefinite U.S. control of the new embassy built with slave labor, the Green Zone, and the Iraq International Airport. In other words his plan is the same as Bush and Cheney's, to privatize the war and give more money to mercenaries and private contractors so that there will be less money for active duty and veterans.

So you two are related and are each other's only friends? ROFL

Wednesday June 11, 2008, 3:20 pm
I think we should worry more about who's behind president bush more than himself. why? because he is the puppet of the other evil guys or evil government behind him. Ofcourse I do not excuse him because he is one of them too, however he is not to blame for everything bad that has occurred. In fact, he cannot make too many decisions without congress's consent.
They are hidding behind bush and probably even manipulating him or threatning to hurt him if he doesnt keep up the evil work.

So, even if he is prosecuted, corrupted congress will continue

Wednesday June 11, 2008, 3:40 pm
I suggest that instead of worrying so much about president bush and his band, we can find more creative ways to deal with the problems we are facing today.

One way that I thought would help is to form our own rules somewhere else outside of this country. Find a place or join another country or colony, etc. Then attract the good people there.

Also if people start to leave the US then there will be less people to deal with so things have to balance out more easily and people will have a little more control of their lives, then it will be easier to find other solutions too.

But to me, I would rather use a peacefull approach. Remove yourself from the negative situation, find a more positive way of life, and then find solutions to tackle the problem, war, economy, etc.

"Think of Ghandi", he did a lot, why can we?

Its a matter of faith!

Thursday June 12, 2008, 5:17 am
wow- we already said we don't know each other and we are not in any way related

Friday June 13, 2008, 12:13 am
FYI: 1. For the sake of restoring respect to our nation we SHOULD, indeed, IMPEACH Bush before he is out of office!!! 2. Although I understand the No Vote campaign, my patriotic duty will NOT allow me to not vote & risk McCain "staying the course" of crime & destruction.

Friday June 13, 2008, 3:12 am

Kathleen, Obama plans to continue the war of aggression (crime against humanity) in Afghanistan that has already killed seven million people who never attacked us.He plans to kill a few million more and makes no bones about it.

Obama also plans to continue the war in Iraq forever, just like McCain. Obama doesn't make any secret of this either. He plans to retain U.S. control forever over the U.S. embassy (built with slave labor) in Baghdad, the Green Zone, and the Iraq International Airport, and Iraq will never accept that eternal insult to their sovereignty. But Obama also plans to use fewer U.S. troops and more mercenaties like Blackwater, who are more ruthless and bloodthirsty, cost more taxpayer money (so he won't be able to fund a health plan or anything else he might claim to want to do), and privatize the was in Iraq as much as possible -- the exact same plan as McCain and Bush.

If you feel that it is your patriotic duty to vote in a rigged election where the only candidates with a chance of winning are equally committed to crimes against humanity, that is your right, but don't claim to be surprised if your candidate wins and then upholds the Democratic precedent of the last two Presidential elections and conceded. You voted for Gore, you got Bush. You voted for Kerry, you got Bush again. Now you're going to vote for Obama and expect not to get McCain?

Nobody has any patriotic duty to vote in rigged elections or to vote for candidates committed to crimes against humanity. If either McCain or Obama had pledges to stop the crimes against humanity being committed in our name (and if the elections weren't rigged), it would be different. They are both equally committed to carrying on the crimes against humanity forever. When Obama says he plans to "end the war in '09" he doesn't mean the war in Afghanistan, as he plans to continue that one. And he doesn't mean we'll withdraw from Iraq, as he has stated that he will never do that. He just means hel'll only keep no more than 80,000 U.S. troops in Iraq and use private mercenaries to protect our Embassy, the Green Zone, and their airport from them.

Obama plans to stay the course of crime and destruction and has said so clearly. So don't pretend that there is a difference between the two candidates' plans because they are both honest and neither one of them has lied about their plans to stay the course of crime and destruction. They are war criminals and make no bones about it. Obama just wants to use more mercenaries than McCain does, because mercenaries cannot be held liable under U.S., foreign, or international law.

If you want to restore respect to our nation, you should not vote for war criminals. If you cared what the world thinks about us, you'd boycott the wars by not voting for anyone pledged to continuing them. And if you REALLY want to restore respect to our nation, you'll show the world that Americans have finally gotten smart enough to stop voting in rigged elections. Every stolen election we vote in makes us more of a laughing stock to the world, just as every day the wars of aggression continue makes us more despised.

Friday June 13, 2008, 8:45 am
Noted! Can't wait to read the book.

Monday September 28, 2009, 4:40 am

I can not believe that war is the best solution.
No one won the last war, and no one will win the next war.
Eleanor Roosevelt

ELEANOR ROOSEVELT FORMER FIRST LADY OF THE USA