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A Message to Israel's Leaders: Don't Defend Me - Not Like This


World  (tags: Gaza, Israel, Kibbutz, Assault, War, Missles, Artillery Shell )

Kicked
- 515 days ago - haaretz.com
Instead of Operation Pillar of Defense embark on Operation Hope for the Future. This is more complicated, you need more patience and it is less popular - but it is the only way out.



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Kit B. (276)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 2:20 pm

This is a voice of pain from too many years of living with bombs and war. A touching and poignant letter from a war embattled voice of reason. living in Israel. The rest of us are only following from the outside looking in, this plea is from one living through this constant nightmare. There is always a choice, always an alternative. It's heartbreaking that Israel has chosen this path of aggression, but there it is, another war and another list of excuses for war. Sane people find reasons to avoid war, Bibi and past leaders have found reasons to make war, this just happens to be at election time. How very convenient.
 

Just Carole (341)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 2:43 pm

It's all so tragic and unnecessary.

Thanks for posting, K.O -- and to Kit for pointing me here.

 

Angelika R. (143)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 3:13 pm
A star shower to kicked for this post- it should be a gigantic poster or billboard hung to both the White House and in the Knesset! And I am sure this voice speaks for many Israelis. I've said it many times before these days, I can only hope that this very wrong path will impact the election in a way Bibi will NOT like at all! A win with blood on his hands is no win.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 3:18 pm
Once again that petition for those who have not yet signed
President Obama: Stop Israel's Attacks on Gaza
 

Barbara W. (342)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 3:23 pm
I would love to know this persons name.. These profound words echo the feelings of so many folks throughout the world seeking answers to peace, not political games being played over and over again...

Thank you for this Kicked O.. More folks need to read this and feel the sincerity which stems from this "Israeli" persons heart. I would like permission to share this beyond Care2 and put it up at

www.RumbleofthePeople.com

Can you find out the Authors name..Do you have permission to share that info? Peace comes from folks like the person who wrote this and "Dare" laid it on the line for Israel's leaders and the world to digest.. More folks need to read this author..
 

Angelika R. (143)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 3:26 pm
All Americans should take some action and interfere in Israels election the same way Netanyahu did to the US.
Drawn him in protests, let the people of Israel know that you do not stand with their leader and want change to bring an end to this blood bath and find a new non violent way to peace.
 

Yvonne White (232)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 3:28 pm
It's so sad that the children can tell the difference "between an artillery shell and a missile fired from a helicopter and between a mortar bomb and a Qassam."..It's heartbreaking that their leaders seem to think that's a "reasonable" form of education. Did Israel hire Bu$h the Le$$er'$ entire entourage????
 

Angelika R. (143)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 3:33 pm
Barbara, that article is written by Michal Vasser but the female writer of the letter is not revealed.
 

Jelica R. (159)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 3:46 pm
While I was reading here and following Twitter from Gaza, my friend Abo, Palestinian from Gaza, was able to post a comment 15 minutes ago. That really broke me... I lived in a country at war, and it is all coming back now. I'm an emotional ruin right now.

Thanks K.O. and Kit.

For actions and protests, please check here; Stop Funding Israel's Criminal War on Gaza! - ACTION, USA

There will be rallies from East to West Coast, as well as worldwide. I will add updates daily.

 

Allan Yorkowitz (458)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 3:54 pm
Sorry Kit, Israel has not chosen a path of aggression. It reacts when it it is attacked. There is a difference.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 3:59 pm
Israel's problem is that when at war it does not complete the job it has to. Islamists playing PR and oil dollars make many world leaders and bodies to listen to Arabs and make Israel stop before terrorists are eliminated from the face of the Earth.

Then these monsters are coming back and start attacking Israel again, because this is the only thing they know how to do and the only thing they will be paid for.
 

Barbara W. (342)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 4:47 pm
For two people who are miles away from the conflict, New Jersey and Canada. Safe from the blood and gore, from the danger, you and those who think like you always seem to have an answer which has absolutely nothing to do with the issue. An Israeli women's letter..
"A Message to Israel's Leaders: Don't Defend Me - "

What this "Brave Heart" Israeli women wrote was commendable and came from the heart and mind of someone fearing the outcome every time this abuse of power action is exicuted by the Israeli government..

SHE Mentions the election! Her sons who served. She fears for the future of Israel.. Did either of you gentlemen serve in the Israeli military?

The leaders of Israel are not even remotely blameless.. This Israeli mother said as much.. Did you read what she wrote? She has a front row seat! She's an Israeli! She calls Israel home and she has placed her life on the line as she has her sons.. while you and those who believe as you do come across as armchair generals..
 

Julian Robert Gonzalez (112)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 5:27 pm
Both sides need to stop shooting and recognise Isreal has a right to exist and a Palistinian State needs to be create with a right to exist. Otherwise this back and forth will lead to ww3.
 

Randy Goughnour (38)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 6:09 pm
Well said Julian. I agree and couldn't have said it better. I hate..hate but above all, nothing can be worse than war.
A middle must be taken before its too late, or we all end up in war. Children, I can think of no one else that can be hurt by man's stupidity more, that can tell different rounds comming in? It's all gone wrong and past due time to fix it but first both sides must admit that each other have the right to exist!
 

Jae A. (320)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 6:26 pm
As Just Carole said....? " It's all so tragic and unnecessary"
 

Michael Carney (205)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 7:38 pm
Noted...I don't understand why the Israeli Government, is practicing the same thing, in the Gaza Strip, as the Nazi's practiced on the European Jews, during World War II...This is so unnecessary...
 

JL A. (269)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 7:55 pm
Shalom, Peace, Salaam, Om Shanti, Solh, Amani, Paz, 평화, Ping On...
 

Susanne R. (248)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 11:54 pm
Maybe this isn't an apt comparison because I'm certainly not well informed on this particular conflict, but consider how long the senseless and fruitless violence went on in Northern Ireland before they achieved a lasting peace. Unfortunately, too many people --including children-- died because of religious differences, foolish pride, and an unwillingness to compromise. I would hope that the rest of the world learned something from the tragedy that took place there. Communication and negotiation should be an ongoing process, and missile strikes should be a last resort.

My heart goes out to the woman who is the subject of this article --and everyone else who suffers as she does. To spend every day wondering if your children will live to see another day, or if you'll still be around to look after them if they do, is no way to live. There's no shame in compromise, but there is shame in the killing and maiming of innocents.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Friday November 16, 2012, 7:35 am
Kicked, though you are of course correct that this endless conflict in the bigger picture is about zionist's goal of a "Greater Israel", however, Susanne is not entirely wrong either as that goal includes the fight zionism against Islam. Remember the IDF's slogan "only a dead Arab is a good Arab"!
 

TomCat S. (285)
Friday November 16, 2012, 7:52 am
magnificent courage!
 

Gene Jacobson (233)
Friday November 16, 2012, 8:39 am
"This though isn't about religion, it is though about land, colonialism, and the denial of fundamental basic human rights that have been perpetuated upon a people who were at the wrong place in the wrong time."

I'm a little confused. You say you have other options? I assume those are safer for you and your children? Why choose the most dangerous one? I support the idea of a Palestinian state, but that requires concessions from many countries, many of whom are willing to make no compromises at all. This constant of retaliation needs stop. But it seems that even in Gaza there are opposing groups on the other side of that wall, one who seems willing to talk and negotiate and another which is sending missiles into Israel. You are in the path of those missiles, won't a compromise involve your leaving and Palestinians living where you now live, where they once lived? I certainly wish there were a peaceful way to end this ceaseless senseless killing and perhaps there is but as long as either side continues retaliating for yesterday's missiles or attacks, I don't see how this stops. Someone has to say - enough, we have to settle this. Are the Arab countries willing to do that? From what I read they are all still aligned with the idea that Israel has no right to exist at all and nothing short of that are they willing to accept. What will you and your children do then? Where will you go? How will you be safe? The headlines this morning claim Israeli tanks and troops are readying for invasion, surely that is not going to make you safer as you seem to be in the path they will be taking. I just don't understand how this gets fixed unless both sides are willing to stop killing and commit to a real peace process - which will certainly involve Israel ceding back some of the territories it now holds. Is where you live one of those territories? Just asking because I really don't know. And see no sign from anyone that a real peace process is desired, acceptable or possible without the support of all countries in the region and so many are unwilling. How do people overcome that? It does take two, at least, to negotiate, and I'm not reading anything that makes me think anyone is willing to do that right now. And I don't know how to fix that, I don't know that it can be fixed from our side of the Atlantic, the Camp David accords of Jimmy Carter's time haven't proven workable over time. The new situation in Egypt seems likely to escalate things rather than calm them. I don't want to say this is hopeless because nothing truly is but it is certainly one of the most difficult problems on Earth, as difficult as China and Taiwan - but they are not shooting at each other,yet. I wish you well, I wish you and your children safety and peace. And I wish the leaders on both sides wanted that too. And acted as if they meant it.
 

Barbara W. (342)
Friday November 16, 2012, 2:25 pm
Tony Benn - Remembering Israel's War on Gaza. 18.1.11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_NoEztr8dg


Call to action on Canadian government approval of bombing of Gaza
http://ingaza.wordpress.com/category/israeli-attacks-on-gaza/

"The government of Canada ought rather to uphold Canadian values and views, refrain from further incendiary remarks, proclaim the value and dignity of each Palestinian as well as Israeli life, and call for an immediate ceasefire.
To make your views known, write:
Stephen Harper, Prime Minister: stephen.harper@parl.gc.ca
John Baird, Foreign Affairs Minister: john.baird@parl.gc.ca
Paul Dewar, Foreign Affairs critic for the Official Opposition: paul.dewar@parl.gc.ca
Thomas Mulcair, Leader of the Official Opposition: thomas.mulcair@parl.gc.ca
Bob Rae, Leader of the Liberal Party: bob.rae@parl.gc.ca
Elizabeth May, Leader of the Green Party: Elizabeth.May@parl.gc.ca
In peace and solidarity,
The Rev. Robert Assaly”
 

Angelika R. (143)
Friday November 16, 2012, 3:43 pm
Ths Barbara, I did make my views known. email composed and sent to all 6 addresses.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Friday November 16, 2012, 3:50 pm
Since that call from the Rev. made reference to the IMEU you may be intersted to read about Israel's pattern of breaking ceasefires. I put that article from IMEU on my share today. http://imeu.net/news/article0022250.shtml
 

Lois Jordan (54)
Friday November 16, 2012, 3:52 pm
Signed Angelika's petition and also Jelica's. I absolutely agree with the 2 state solution, as do many citizens of both these countries. Seems Netanyahu is profiting financially by continuously pushing for war....just like Bush and his cronies did. Evil comes in many forms.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Friday November 16, 2012, 4:23 pm
good point there Lois. Only hoping to profit from votes for upcoming election by demonstrating what he may call "military strenghts" seems unlikely. Israelis running for shelters every day may not be too eager to reelect him. But the other reasons he has is a) distracting from their own social issues, b) distracting from the Palestinian bid for statehood at the UN being prepared currently and c) I also suspect a practice for war with Iran.
 

Barbara W. (342)
Friday November 16, 2012, 6:21 pm
Tariq Ali: Israel wants Gaza colonized, peace killed with Hamas leader

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZEK5uzHUzk&feature=relmfu
 

Barbara W. (342)
Friday November 16, 2012, 6:28 pm
'Good timing for Israel 'monopoly of force' in Gaza'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYJ1Nj_FiEI&feature=relmfu
 

Jelica R. (159)
Friday November 16, 2012, 10:29 pm
Updated list of petitions:

President Obama: Stop Israel's Attacks on Gaza

Stop Funding Israel's Criminal War on Gaza! - ACTION, USA

Palästina: Die Zeit ist reif

Time for Palestine

US aid to Israel should comply with the law

Stop the Israel/Gaza violence! only for Facebook users!

Israeli gov., Hamas & Palestinian leaders, USA gov., European leaders: Stop the Israel/Gaza violence!
 

John Gregoire (248)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 7:00 am
You all miss the crux of this tragedy. The Iranians are but a few months away from being able to field a nuclear weapon. That must be very close to Isreal's "trip wire" for direct action. So what happens, the Iranians divert attention by arming Hamas with rockets and getting them to attack Israel. Egypt Islamists weigh in on the Hamas side yesterday making a regional conflict seem likely. While Israel is busy defending itself, Iran will be whistling in the dark and making bombs.

Our prayers are with the people of Israel and with all the innocent Palestinians and Israelis caught up in this war.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 9:34 am
thx Jelica, Change.org signed & shared (why only 1000 signs????)
My guess is that Kicked O./ Free G. will get kicked once again.. such XXL size comments are not welcome and may be against the terms.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 10:39 am
John : "While Israel is busy defending itself, Iran will be whistling in the dark and making bombs. " Could you explain that a bit more detailed? You cannot just "make bombs" in a few weeks or so; even once Iran will have reached the needed amount of 20% enriched uranium (about 250gk), which it can produce faster now with the Fordo facility it said is completed,it still takes a while from there on to process that into weapons-grade material.( the equivalent of about 90% enriched)
Besides that, for Iran to continue work on making a bomb- if that is what they intend- it makes no difference what is going on around them or whether other governments are busy with warfare or not.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 5:08 pm
Yes, John, Iranians may sacrifice Islamist from Gaza and the whole Gaza to get a into war with Israel, and to pull out Israel's resources from Iran. Especially now, when Hamas decided to bite the hand which used to feed it (Iran-Assad) and switch to its Sunni friends of Muslim Brotherhood.

In addition, Gaza was used to test Iranian drones - Israel happened to be up to the task and destroyed them, but that was a working test. How soon these drones will attack the 6-th fleet?



 

Kit B. (276)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 6:42 pm

I keep thinking about the children, and that children are so adapted to this that they identify which missiles come from Israel and which come from Gaza.

I also wonder how it is that no government agency from any country has pretended to know that Iran has fully developed uranium, much less a delivery system. Some how a few at Care2 are privy to this information that in the real world would be considered National Security.
 

Jelica R. (159)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 8:00 pm
Angelika, you're a jewel.

A night sky over Gaza:

Nov. 14, 2012

Now 16, 2012
 

Jelica R. (159)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 8:13 pm
Well, I suppose I kept this page open for too long, and I am 5 comments late. Angelika and I are in the European time zone, you see, and we post at a time when there's far less comments then when Americans are on-line and more page refreshing is needed.

Time for beauty sleep. Good night to you all.
 

Phil R. (29)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 3:25 pm
When all is said and done, the solution to this can only be peace. Vilifying one side or the other serves no purpose but to encourage reciprocation from the victim....and both sides consider themselves to be the victim.

Israel is not going to go away and Palestinians are never going to accept unchecked Israeli expansionism.
It is way past time to put away who did what to whom and talk peace.
 

onita Caldwell (32)
Monday November 19, 2012, 12:16 pm
It sounds like end times to me, better get your affairs in order.
 

Jelica R. (159)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 3:58 pm
It is not end, until we all surrender. We are still alive, and there is time to act against injustices and greed which put our world in such a desperate situation. Never give up!
 

Joanne Dixon (34)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 4:38 pm
OK, after reading the comment from Allan Yorkowitz, I have to post this link:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/15/assassinating-the-chance-for-calm.html

Yes, there is a difference. But your comment is outdated. Things have changed.
 
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