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Algeria Troops Surround Militant Hostage-Takers


World  (tags: Islamic terrorists, violence, Algeria, hostages )

Stan
- 608 days ago - bbc.co.uk
Algerian troops have surrounded a gas facility in the east of the country where foreign workers are being held hostage by Islamist militants.



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Stan B. (124)
Thursday January 17, 2013, 12:19 am
Is there any place in the world where radical Islamist terrorists aren't committing murder and mayhem?
 

John J. (0)
Thursday January 17, 2013, 12:32 am
islam - the canker on the earths butt
 

Cal Mendelsohn (992)
Thursday January 17, 2013, 3:16 am
Opportunists of the highest order, the fanatics strike fear and ignorance into the hearts of those they conquer wherever they rear their ugly heads.
Thanks for posting this Stan.
 

Barbara K. (84)
Thursday January 17, 2013, 4:49 am
Saw this on the news. Thanks for the post, Stan.
 

Alexa R. (333)
Thursday January 17, 2013, 6:23 am
This cannot continue! How to deal with militant Islam I wonder..

 

pam w. (191)
Thursday January 17, 2013, 6:43 am
"The religion of PEACE."

 

Beth S. (326)
Thursday January 17, 2013, 6:48 am
Good question, Stan. If there are a few places anywhere that aren't, they are quickly transforming into places that are. I wish people would wake up and smell the blood and excrement.
 

Rob and Jay B. (120)
Thursday January 17, 2013, 7:01 am
All the civilized world has to do to scare these inbred primitives off (just look at this guys face and you can see the low IQ) is to tell them all, all around the world, that they will be shot with bullets dipped in pig fat and/or that their bodies or body parts left over after suicide bombing will be smeared with pig fat. Also install vials of pig fat/blood in the walls of airplanes, schools, buses, cafes etc and publicize it so that any would-be suicide bomber will be scared off for fear of getting a molecule of pig on them.

They actually believe their intolerant, primitive-minded deity will keep their spirits out of his paradise if their dead bodies have even one molecule of pig on them! So why don't our leaders and defenders wake up and use this backward superstition to our advantage and safety?

It's such a simple idea and plan but it would stop so much of the violence from these barbarians, and so cheaply and easily too. If these terrorists thought they would be killed with pig fat coated bullets if they harmed the hostages they would most likely free them all.
 

Carola May (20)
Thursday January 17, 2013, 7:11 am
Alexandra, you ask how to deal with these hateful primitives? Read Rod and Jay's comment, and it is a very good one too!

What a great idea - vials of pig fat in the walls of places vulnerable to Orthodox Muslim terror attacks, and telling them they will be shot by bullets dipped in pig fat if they harm one of the hostages. This would work better than any of the less successful and very costly other methods in use up to now.

Why have our leaders not thought of this simple and inexpensive idea before? It's is perfect!!!! Thanks Rob and Jay for this. We should all send this idea in to our elected officials, heads of state and of the military. No other thing could stop so much terrorism and killing as this simple method. Fight these thugs with the superstitions they believe in.

Of course the radical PC brigade will rant about hurting their feelings and 'offending' these cretins. So what?
 

Suheyla C. (229)
Thursday January 17, 2013, 11:18 am
Thanks Stan for posting
noted
 

Nancy C. (798)
Thursday January 17, 2013, 4:27 pm
number of fatalities unsure
 

Carol Dreeszen (364)
Thursday January 17, 2013, 11:12 pm
Totally unreal!!! It seems all they know in that part of the world is mayhem and death!!!
 

Cousin It Addams (8)
Friday January 18, 2013, 2:15 pm
i'll be sure to oil my bullets with pig fat. that's hilarious. see where generations of marrying first cousins gets you? instead of home security signs i'm going to put signs like "yard fertilized with pig dung" to keep 'em off the grass, or "beware of pigs" or "protected by pig blood"

sadly i don't think this situation is gonna end well.
 

Aletta Kraan (146)
Friday January 18, 2013, 7:34 pm
Noted, just hope the hostages will be safe soon !!
 

Colleen L. (2)
Friday January 18, 2013, 10:10 pm
I too hope that they will be safe soon. My thoughts and prayers are with them all. Thanks Stan
 

Stan B. (124)
Saturday January 19, 2013, 12:21 am
Sadly it looks as if Algerian special forces killed 35 of the hostages in a botched attempt to free them.
22 are still unaccounted for.
Very sad that people going about their lawful business are subjected to such atrocities by these fanatics.
Rob and J. Your suggestion has a lot of merit and has been tried before successfully.
 

Gene Jacobson (252)
Saturday January 19, 2013, 6:51 am
This IS going on the world over, including here, perhaps the only place it is not is China, perhaps Russia. It would be horrible to have to go to that extreme to protect the people of the world from these heathen barbarians, but the tide is swelling, not waning, and those who think appeasement is the answer will find themselves with a boot on their throat, if they manage to keep their head attached to their body. Islam is playing the typical terrorist word game, actually typical right wing word game, by calling itself the opposite of what it truly is. Any organization that has freedom in its title these days is usually about the exact opposite as these are against peace even though they call themselves the religion of peace, what they are is the religion of barbaric murderers. And that is how they should be referred to.
 

Klaus Peters (12)
Saturday January 19, 2013, 7:53 am
Mokhtar Belmokhtar has been identified as the leader behind the attack. So he does not wear a mask, or is it him. I will never trust a muslim, they are a terrorist organisation of the worst kind and we are only seeing the beginning of it. Fashists were organised, Islam is not. That is our only hope to put them down.
 

Alexa R. (333)
Saturday January 19, 2013, 9:53 pm

The hostage situation in Algeria has descended into chaos and Western governments are venting their criticism at the Algerian government for storming the Al Qaeda-linked hostage takers and precipitating a shootout. The Western governments might wish to reconsider the appropriateness of their judgments.

For decades I labored in the world of hostage and barricade situations interviewing hostage negotiators and assault teams both here and abroad. The Western model of hostage negotiations emanates from law enforcement, specifically from a program designed by the New York City Police Department. The NYPD model was highly successful and adopted by governments through out the Western world. It was predicated on the idea that every life is valuable, hostage takers ultimately do not want to die, and success is achieved when everyone walks out alive -- including the hostage takers.

Similarly, the model for dealing with airline hijacking was predicated on the idea that hijackers were not suicidal, one should cooperate with them, get the airplane safely on the ground, and let some government's trained specialists get the hijackers to capitulate. We all saw how successful that model was on 9/11.

The idea of saving everyone's life -- even the lives of terrorists -- was widely celebrated in these policies and seen as rooted in our Judeo-Christian heritage. So imbedded in our thinking was the idea of the value of a human life that at the highest levels of government, pre-9/11, people spoke of Islam as also finding suicide abhorrent. Intelligence analysts dissected what appeared to be obvious suicide missions against Israel as having an escape route. And suicide bombings were deviant events, certainly something America would not have to worry about.

Hostage and barricade situations, no matter who the hostage takers were, could be handled by getting the hostage takers to embrace the value of their lives and do the rational thing, capitulate. Consequently, a domestic dispute resulting in hostage taking, an interrupted robbery resulting in hostage taking, or a terrorist group taking hostages for political reasons all were generally seen through the same lens and intellectually dissected the same way.

Some European countries used trained psychiatrists as negotiators and when some hostage-takers capitulated and subsequently committed suicide, the medical community demanded investigations of the negotiators. Rather than assume that a hostage taking might be a manifestation of a suicidal impulse, the medical community thought that somehow in the process of negotiating the psychiatrist had implanted thoughts that drove the hostage taker to take his own life. Psychiatrists who had saved lives found themselves being investigated for being catalysts for suicide.

Of course, not everyone adhered to the "everyone walks out alive" model. Police departments other than New York were less likely to run the clock and put innocent lives at risk while a crazed man with a gun made demands. The Los Angeles Police Department's SWAT team became legendary in police circles, and somewhat grudgingly admired, for its physical training and the skills of its marksmen. LA SWAT would negotiate and try and get a hostage taker to do the right thing, but if they had an opportunity to use force, they were going to do it. If terrorists shot first, SWAT was not going to hesitate to return fire. In police circles the adage was, "New York will talk you to death, but if you start f**kin' with LA SWAT, they will kill you for real."

Although European countries lined up with the New York model, Israel was more like Los Angeles. I once interviewed an Israeli general whose units had handled some of Israel's most difficult and violent hostage and barricade situations. In preparing for my interview, I noticed that no terrorists survived the assaults of his troops. I asked him about that, and after digressing into the nuances of a fire fight with automatic weapons, he looked me straight in the eye and said, "You notice that. They notice that too."

That was a time when the Palestinian terrorist groups, like Palestinians generally, where largely secular. And killing a group of terrorists made it far and away more difficult for the terrorist organization to recruit for the next mission.

Precious few who operated in the world of hostage and barricade situations before 9/11 truly embraced or even mentioned the idea of Jihad and religious fanatics willing to sacrifice their lives to be with virgins in paradise. And those few who did, like Dr. Robert Kupperman, the one-time Chief Scientist for the U.S. Arms Control and Disarmament Agency, were treated as alarmists.

Even after 9/11 a lot of thinking in policy circles was that terrorism is a problem for domestic law enforcement. It is this mentality that gives rise to the unfortunate and inappropriate criticism of the Algerians.

We need to grapple with the reality that a new breed of terrorist does not want to live but wants to die for Jihad. The old models for hostage situations do not work, and labeling incidents like the Fort Hood massacre as workplace violence does not help. It denies that the perpetrator, Major Nidal Hassan, was motivated by fanaticism and acted in the name of Jihad. We cannot simultaneously deny what terrorism is and formulate policy to deal with it.

Hostage and barricade situations that pit terrorists who want to die against hostages who want to live are not going to be resolved as a scenario out of the NYPD negotiating manual. It's time to realize that. Domestic terrorists who embrace Jihad cannot be treated like bank robbers who walked into a bank to take money and only take hostages to escape being captured. Bank robbers do not embark on a suicide mission. Jihadists do.

Yes, the situation in Algeria is chaotic and messy, and it will continue that way until the terrorists in this episode are hunted down and killed. To defeat this kind of terrorism, we must realize that terrorists commit acts of terrorism for the same reason that people sell bread. There is some profit in it. When people can't make a profit from selling bread, they will stop. When terrorists realize that there are far reaching repercussions for those who orchestrate acts of terrorism that make terrorism a liability, they will stop.

To achieve this we must recognize what and whom we are fighting. This means stopping the euphemistic rhetoric about terrorism and the political censorship that removes "Jihad," "Islam," and "terrorism" from the same sentence. It means crafting new policies that makes acts of terrorism immensely costly for those who send people out to kill innocents for their cause. There is much that can be done, if we have the political will to do it. In the meantime, the Algerians deserve our support, not our misguided criticism.


Abraham H. Miller

Source: AmericanThinker
 

Tommy S. (11)
Sunday January 20, 2013, 1:47 am
@ Alexandra R
quote..We need to grapple with the reality that a new breed of terrorist does not want to live but wants to die for Jihad. ..Unquote.... this is what islam teaches-great rewards for those who die in jihad
(there is no such thing as moderate islam)
I believe that seven of the jihadists have been killed -- these bodies should be covered in pig fat, entrails etc and mass buried in some unrecorded grave ,secure in the knowledge that they cannot enter islamic heaven
 

Nancy Black (302)
Sunday January 20, 2013, 6:27 pm
Noted, tweeted, tweeted, read and shared. No, Stan, it doesn't appear that there's any safe place in our world any more. Unfortunately, the end result will probably be another huge war because every country has people who are willing to fight and stop terror. Now, it is the French, but if enough Americans are killed, we might enter a war. The world is getting to be a pretty bleak place, and I who always prided myself on my tolerance am becoming more and more intolerant of the militant Muslims. I was a hippie and peacenick back in the 60's; now I hear the war drums like many other tolerant people do.
 
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