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Egypt Girl's Death Puts Spotlight on Genital Mutilation


World  (tags: Egypt, Female genital mutilation, Child abuse )

Stan
- 425 days ago - bbc.co.uk
The death of a 13-year-old girl during a genital mutilation procedure has brought the issue back into the spotlight in Egypt



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Stan B. (124)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 2:01 am
Can you believe this is happening in 2013?

"We have been brought up according to certain morals. It shows good upbringing, a way of controlling a girl's sexual desire."

Sameya Mohammad Abdel-Razek, a grandmother from the Egyptian city of Giza is talking about female genital mutilation.
 

Hilary S. (45)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 2:18 am
talk about brainwashing!
"We have been brought up according to certain morals. It shows good upbringing, a way of controlling a girl's sexual desire."
Sameya Mohammad Abdel-Razek, a grandmother from the Egyptian city of Giza is talking about female genital mutilation.

- this is really about curbing MEN's sexual desire.
- if there's no pleasure in intercourse who'd want to have children?
what a totally tragic distortion of the human body and women's right to live intact from mutilation.

 

Giana Peranio-Paz (379)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 2:29 am
Again, women's needs have no place or weight in Muslim culture! Absolutely disgusting!
 

jeanne schreurs (203)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 2:58 am
The creator made people in a special way and their is no need for changing this.
 

jeanne schreurs (203)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 3:01 am
thank you Stan for bringing this here. The more and more people become aware of this maybe some day it will change .
 

Bernard Cronyn (30)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 3:17 am
The EU blew a billion Euros of taxpayers money on improving human rights in Egypt. The status quo; EU is broke and Egyptian HR continues its downward spiral. Conclusion; interference in Islamic countries is a waste of money and competent leaders sort out their own country's problems before embarking on ambitious altruistic ventures doomed to failure. Clearly the EU lacks competent leaders,
 

Phyllis Baxter (40)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 4:49 am
I'm sick of hearing these horror stories. FGM, acid attacks, forced and child marriage to old men. What's wrong with our over paid feminists? Their silence and compliance is disgraceful.
 

Teresa W. (678)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 5:16 am
Horrible!
 

Rahman Qureshi (76)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 6:13 am
Muslims try to claim FGM isn't Islamic because Islam forbids the cutting of the body, and there is no mention of him saying to do so in Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim. Here is the problem with such objections.

1) The Hadith portion of the Sunna contains 6 major collections of Sunna. Something does not have to mentioned in all of them to be Sunna. And to use their attempt at logic, the fact that Muhammad condoned and encouraged his men to rape female captives with disregard if they got pregnant, while married, is recorded in both Sahih Bukhari and Muslim, from different narrators, then that fully establishes that such vileness is indeed Sunna.

2) Muhammad never said don't do FGM; all he said was 'don't cut too much', which is a subjective statement. All he had to say was not to cut at all, but by not condemning it he allowed it forever. The common Muslim argument that he didn't have to condemn it since he never commanded it does not fly, because Sunna is what Muhammad forbade and allowed. Not doing something he forbade is Sunna, doing something he allowed is Sunna.

3) FGM is legal in Islamic Shari'a law, with the authoritative Al-Azhar University approving Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri, Reliance of the Traveller - A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law, section e4.3 of this Manual states, "Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the clitoris (this is called khufaad)."

3) Muslims mutilated black male slaves outside of Muslim lands by cutting off their penis and testicles so they won't "contaminate" their Muslim women and so it would not be haram for a Muslim woman to be alone with them because they are no longer male sexually.

4) Contrary to the Islamic teaching of forbidding the cutting of the body, Sura 5:33 declares crucifixion as one of the acceptable modes of punishment for resisting Islam. I don't see how you can crucify someone, driving nails into their hands and feet, without that resulting in mutilation of the body.

This practice of mutilation for "punishment" is carried out against Muslim females all the time as they are honor killed for not being Muslim enough, which included being raped. yes, you read correctly. Muslim females are blamed for being raped.

5) Muhammad had the Jewish men of Khaybar beheaded. How do you cut off someone's head without cutting the body?

6) This practice of FGM is predominantly among Muslims.

7) This practice by Muslims is no surprise considering all of the contempt Islam has for females, based on its authoritative writings.

The Western world, particularly the hypocritical feminists, remains silent about these innocent Muslim girls forcibly being subjected to having their genital mutilated with the expressed purpose of denying them their God-given right to sexual fulfillment in marriage. "It is to control their urges so they don't sin." Really? And who would they have sex with, trees? Or men? Based on that logic of quilling temptation, trees get cut down, so why not the sexual organs of men. Since obviously it is males they are concerned about the females having sex with, then why not mutilate the male organ to control a guy's sexual desire? And circumcision does not count because that does not alter the body of the penis, only the removal of foreskin, and there is no counterpart of foreskin for females; FGM is mutilating their sexual organ. Because Islam is about male superiority over females. There is no equality in Islam regarding males and females.

Lastly, what about the females like the grandmother who support FGM? What about all the females who perform FGM since they are the ones to perform it? The answer is Stockholm Syndrome, They are mental captives of Muhammad's ideology and, through generations of subjugation, have identified with their oppressor and internalized his contempt of females. They are self-hating females because of Islam.
 

pam w. (191)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 6:26 am
AND, Rahman....if they don't perform this mutilation, nobody will marry them! An unmarried woman might as well be dead.

I remember an Egyptian man who patiently explained to me that, if his sister were to be raped, they would find a cousin and make him marry her, to hide their SHAME at her non-virginal condition. And, should she become pregnant by that rape, they would find the rapist, kill him and then hill HER to spare her the shame of it all.

Prior to that discussion, I had thought him charming, witty and pleasant.

After that discussion, I thought him a conditioned monster.

 

Nancy C. (795)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 6:47 am
STOP Female Genital Mutilation (FGM / ‘cutting’) in Britain
UK Government: Enforce the UK law which forbids FGM
Help Stop Female Genital Mutilation
Stop female genital mutilation in the UK!
Maimuna Must Stay. Asylum Now, Not FGM!
Reintroduce HR1319
 

Vlasta M. (7)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 8:02 am
If Barack Hussein Obama stays in the White house till the end of his term, it may start happening here too. his cavorting with the Muslim Brotherhood and giving them access to the White house and US taxpayers money, and now his push for amnesty for illegal immigrants will bring millions of Muslims into USA from Canada and Mexico. They are already infiltrating Latin America and Canada, and are in US governmental agencies preventing effective fight against the open and stealth jihad against Western civilization happening in 0oour midst with the tacit approval of Barack Husein Obama.!

Islam is a supremacist ideology similar to supremacist Nazi ideology, including its delusional Jew hatred, and condoning pedophilia, polygamy, misogyny,m dhimmitude (*apartheid), and murder for Allahu Akbar. It is incompatible with the US Constitution nd with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and thus has no place in ANY society that respects liberty, justice and human rights. Read Koran to see for yourself (www.cspipublishing.com/pdfs/ATwoHourKoran.pdf‎)

Muslims in America are white washing Isla using their skills in Islamic principle of l.lying
www.islam-watch.org/.../taqiyya-islamic-principle-lying-for-allah.htm‎ with the help of Barack Hussein Obama who is a grand master of this skill of deception, which had propelled him into White house.
 

Beth S. (323)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 8:43 am
The shedding of blood in various forms is something that permeates the Qur'an (military Jihad) and Hadiths, as well as day-to-day culture in Islam in virtually every Islamic society.

Add that to the misogyny and the well-entrenched sense that women are property inherent in the same texts and that is woven into the fabric of also every Islamic culture, FGM will be extremely difficult to extirpate, as will other criminal acts such as "honor killing."

Most Muslims will put on a happy face that they are doing the right thing. This is circular logic. They do it because their mothers did it, and their grandmothers, great-grandmothers and so on. As Islam is a shame-based ideology, many girls would be ineligible for marriage unless this crime is perpetrated upon them. And with a steep decline in the number of babies born in most Muslim countries as women become more literate, many Islamic leaders fear a collapse, implosion, and even an extinction of the Islamic religio-ideological form of life in Islamic countries.

This is no small reason why many Islamic leaders loathe the West and its values, as it is spelling the rapid demographic disintegration of Islam. Ironically, the large waves of Islamic immigration into many European countries, the high birth rates there (often 8-9 children per family) because of the enormous monetary benefits given to Muslims (ultimately suicidal for European cultures) -- free housing, education, food, welfare, health care, etc., in Sharia-Zones and other places, FGM continues to be practiced in Europe almost unabated.

Europeans do no justice in letting this practice go on virtually without repercussion. While there may be laws on the books making it illegal, very few, if any, Europeans in the position to enforce the laws will, for fear of offending Muslims and chancing likely violent Muslim responses.
 

bob m. (32)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 8:45 am


C'mon Wimin!?...where are ya..where's yer fire?...dreamin about being in some harem?.. does that offend you.. I could care less.... hypocrites... !
 

Beth S. (323)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 8:46 am
that should have been "... position to enforce the laws will *not*......"
 

bob m. (32)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 8:50 am

The lack of shed Blood as in the rejection of the Blood of the Lamb ..is fundamental to the rot of the tree of islam.. it is a cursed tree.. due to be cut down and burned ..in due time... all the shedding of all the blood on earth cannot save them... yet still they sit ..in prideful defiance.
 

Patricia E. G. (50)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 10:01 am
I have heard of this deplorable behaviour by the controlling elders clinging to ancient rituals regardless of the
outcome to their young. More than often, the new generation gets stifled by religious and political setbacks
that deny them the Freedom and the quest they were born to engage in. A step backward in evolution.
Thank you Stan.
 

Ge M. (217)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 10:13 am
Circumcision is required in the Koran and there is no distinction between males and females. In fact, it is banned if it hurts the female and causes damage. The woman can sue the perpetrator for damages, should she survive, when she grows up - yeah, right! The idea is to stop the woman wanting sex. Having been beaten, raped and abused since birth, I can't really see a 6 - 8 year old girl gagging for sex!

Thank Allah for Little Girls
http://www.cathud.com/RESOURCES_CATHOLIC/pages_GL/ISLAM/Islam-female-genital-mutilation.htm

An analysis of female circumcision according to Islamic law
http://www.alislam.org/library/articles/Female-circumcision-and-its-standing-in-Islamic-law.pdf
 

Shanti S. (0)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 10:58 am
Thank you.
 

caroline s. (79)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 11:23 am
I'm sick of hearing these horror stories.
Monstrueux, inacceptable, intolérable,abominable /:-((
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 11:40 am
Sheikh Badri: "Circumcision makes a girl control her common sense about sex" By that 'logic' anyone who overeats should have their mouth stitched together or their tongue cut out, or their taste buds burned with acid.

"Women quickly feel sex before men" Really? How does HE know? Pure opinion. And how can he say this, being a man and not a woman?

This is a classic case of a human being putting their own bias and opinions and ideas into some religious text and religious belief.

I'm getting sick of any beliefs of any religion that dominate or subjugate the self-determinism of any individual. Whereby some belief assumes and presumes an individual is not capable or shouldn't be permitted or free to make their own decisions, come to their own conclusions, make their own choices, and accept the consequences of such, without some pompous religious authority or 'divine big being' dictating to them what to be or not be, what to do or not do. Little men playing big beings. Doomed to fail every time lol.

This sheikh pulls the old stunt out of his hat when asked 'why would God build a woman like this only for people to mutilate her?" and his answer 'we cannot know or understand the wisdom of Allah' etc. Same old cop-out answer, same old non-answer, same old last ditch straw to grab when you don't know your .... from a hole in the ground. The same thing occurs with the bible. You can ALWAYS say 'we just can't understand the wisdom of God' when you don't really know the answer to some well-reasoned question.
 

Gene Jacobson (251)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 12:00 pm
"We have been brought up according to certain morals. It shows good upbringing, a way of controlling a girl's sexual desire."

If there is anything this does NOT show it is morality. This is because MEN cannot control themselves so they dehumanize women and as for that old fool who said women feel sex before men, get a grip, and an education beyond your superstitious lies. The rest of that entire putrid article is pure bullsquat. These are the most ignorant people on earth today. Not the meanest necessarily but surely the most ignorant considering their "truth" stops with the 6th century and quite a few things have happened since then that put the lie to their nonsense, but they are too damn foolish to see that. Ick.
 

Konstantin Trubin (550)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 12:16 pm
A terrible tradition. Poor girl ...
All of the women on whom the procedure is done once will not be able to feel like real women.
With that something needs to be done urgently.
 

Theodore Shayne (56)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 12:51 pm
Very, very sad. Will we ever grow up as a species?
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 12:57 pm
Vlasta, you are right, with Obama in the WH , anything can happen here, & some of those things already have!
 

norma laborie (32)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 1:01 pm
No freedom for women in the muslim's countries,that's very bad in the XXI century!
 

Kathy Niell (93)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 1:33 pm
This is akin to cutting off a man's penis. Why don't do that to equal things between men and women? We know why: because women are second class citizens under Islam. What barbarians!
 

Russell R. (87)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 1:37 pm
it is just like having their tonsils removed. - Well, I never had my tonsils removed! So, according to rite, allah made a mistake when he made women! Hmmmmm! Allah didn't trim enough off! I just can't believe that allah would do such a thing!
 

Birgit W. (144)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 2:10 pm
Maybe it is time that they do something to curb the sexual desire of all those evil creeps I agree with what Gene Jacobson is writing: "MEN cannot control themselves so they dehumanize women." Where is the petition to sign?
 

Rob and Jay B. (122)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 2:11 pm
Good point Russell - if god didn't want men to have foreskins and women to have labia and clitorises then why did She create them in the first place? This is all so illogical, but then so much religion is.

Here's a recent story about FGM being practiced in Europe and the tens of thousands of girls at risk, or already suffering the after effects:

'FGM is endemic in Muslim-majority countries across Africa, Asia and the Middle East. Three million girls between infancy and age 15 are subject to FGM every year, and it is believed that 140 million women worldwide are suffering from the lifelong consequences of the practice.
FGM has emerged as a major problem in Europe due to mass immigration. The European Parliament estimates that 500,000 girls and women in the European Union are living with FGM, and every year another 180,000 girls in Europe are at risk of being "cut."
Britain has the highest levels of FGM in Europe. According to a government-funded study published in 2007, at least 66,000 women and girls in Britain have had the procedure performed on them, and more than 20,000 girls under the age of 15 are currently at risk.
"In England," she added, "you are very respectful of your immigrants. It is very different in France. They have to integrate and they have to obey our laws. We simply will not tolerate this practice."
One reason for the lack of prosecutions is the difficulty in gathering evidence because the victims of FGM are often afraid to speak out. Girls and women who do speak out against FGM have suffered verbal and physical abuse from adult men and women in their communities in London, Bristol, Cardiff and Manchester in attempts to silence them.'
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3705/uk-female-genital-mutilation

Looks like France has a better handle on protecting girls than the UK does, and some other appeasing EU countries.
 

David Menard (43)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 2:19 pm
Savage, disgusting, twisted sick practice. Complete F(*&@#$ @ssholes. All who think FGM acceptable are savages
 

Carola May (20)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 2:26 pm
Very good point Rahman about 'Stockholm Syndrome'. I think of this every time I hear a Muslim woman waxing poetical about how wonderfully treated women are in Islam. This usually spoken from a tent, or at least a headscarf to cover their lust-causing hair. (Are Muslim men really so weak that they can't control their sexual appetites?) This is insulting to men, the idea that women must be carved up and covered up all to protect them from men.

Women who are so brainwashed from birth that they actually identify with their 'captors', which is all you can call the men who rule and own women in Islam, that they readily accept mutilation, servility, virtual slavery, and imprisonment, and think that is being treated well, are to be pitied, not encouraged in their fantasies.

This is one of the many reasons the 56 member OIC (Org. of Islamic Countries - the biggest voting block in the UN) don't sign up for the UN's Universal Declaration on Human Rights, because it calls for the equal treatment of women, for one thing, and that goes against Sharia Law. It also calls for the forbidding of sexual abuse of children, the rights of gay people and freedom of religion, speech, conscience and press, and these are all things forbidden by Allah, so Muslim dominated countries have their own 'Cairo Declaration' which is based on Sharia Islamic Law and doesn't allow for any of the aforementioned human rights. And they aren't even ashamed to admit all of this! Talk about brainwashing!

Anyone who values women and girls would never ever allow or practice such barbarism.

And they call this 'moral'? Coming from a member of a religion created by one of the most immoral men in human history - rapist, bandit, pedophile, mass murderer, torturer, liar, kidnapper and the wearer of make up it is very hard to not break out laughing when Muslims talk about their superior 'morality'. What's moral about genital mutilation (of men or women), or killing girls who 'shame' their families by being beaten and raped, or a man slaking his lust on 4 'wives' and unlimited 'temporary marriages' or 'pleasure marriages' (what we call prostitution, but then we are just decadent infidels don't you know).

Just sickens me. Why don't our media and leaders quit pandering to and appeasing this cult of uncivilized behaviour and call its perversions what they are?
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 2:42 pm
It's about time this issue got more publicity.
 

Muriel Servaege (44)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 3:10 pm
Why do males have to control girls' sexual desire? They'd better trust them a bit more. And I guess they're more unfaithful than girls.
 

valda p. (13)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 3:35 pm
Sheik Yussif al Badri-silly old -goat-typical of the mentality of some of this weird and wonderful religion??-their hatred of women makes them want to deny them any sexual pleasure -so mutilate them so they can't -this is one of the reasons their men are so frustrated and commit rape-but in the end the -woman pays again as she is blamed -not having 4 male's to verify her story so -she pays the ultimate -price and is murdered -honour killing -and he -the rapist goes -free -they are -gutless cowards these -men??of -islam.
 

Madhu Pillai (22)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 3:36 pm
Islam's obsession with women! Controlled by illiterate mullahs, who keep women under their thumbs and for their own purpose, women themselves know no better and encourage these cruel practices on their daughters. Right thinking people in these countries probably scared to speak up because of idiotic fatwas.
 

Debra Tate (17)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 4:51 pm
Noted! Why are they not cutting of their penises?
 

SJ J. (116)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 4:53 pm
sadly noted, thanks Stan
 

Janet R. (34)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 4:59 pm
Pathetic, poor child. These people are nuts. They make me sick.
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (273)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 5:33 pm
Tragic and it happens everyday
 

Sonny Honrado (6)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 6:27 pm
Thanks for the info.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 6:42 pm
I agree with Rose
 

Hartson Doak (32)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 6:44 pm
I don't agree with genital mutilation for either sexes. I was not circumcised. I did not have either of my sons circumcised. This is a barbaric religious mutilation that has no place in the 21st century.
 

Anne K. (128)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 6:54 pm
What about a man's sexual desire? Why are the women mutilated but not the men? It takes two.
 

Robyn Brice (4)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 7:28 pm
Whenever their is a horrifying practice of female mutilation, it always seems to be the women that are the victims. From the Chinese custom of footbinding to genital mutilation. Women are the ones that suffer the brunt of these sickening practices. The trouble is with the patriarchal societies that view women as property rather than individuals.
 

Nancy Black (301)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 9:33 pm
Noted, tweeted, shared, tweeted, shared. This is barbaric and also reveals the ignorance of men to make women the scapegoats for any sexual activity, which is a joke especially in those countries where women are only considered property. Most of these women don't try to tempt men; they are raped or forced to comply, and then they are punished for being raped or complying. Can't understand how these women survive such a life. I know they don't know any other culture, but I believe I would commit suicide before I would accept the treatment these women endure. Holy men talking about women controlling their sexual urges is a joke. These women aren't raping men. Even prostitutes are under the control of men. Women doing this to their children and grandchildren makes little sense except they have been brainwashed and so damaged themselves that they believe this will help their daughters survive in the culture. This is sick and until women get equal rights, which is probably never, this will continue. God help them; no one else has and neither has God or Mohammud.
 

Dana B. (133)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 9:33 pm
So sad
 

Myriam Derome (1)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 9:41 pm
Jesus Christ on a Pogo stick, why do they need convincing? Why isn't this already DEAD? How can they say this is Sharia!? When has any other community outside of Egypt instated this barbaric practice? When did they ever assume that they were the only practitioners in the right, when even the most infamously misogynistic communities won't follow in their stead? Not to mention the claim that drives this entire practice, and which runs a bizarre counterpoint to the usual conservative rhetoric - girls are incapable of tamping down their sex drive? What? It's a whole new twist on being horrible people. Does that mean males should wear full-body covers, just to cover all their bases? They shouldn't be tempting their poor, barbaric women. They'll get raped or something! Sheesh.
 

Hilary S. (45)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 11:00 pm
the entire practice is evidently yet another violent example of a selective interpretation of some detail of the quran. i remain horrofied that women have been so heavily conditioned as to believe they much mutilate their young daughters for them to be marriageable.
i am remembering that brave young kenyan woman who has found a way to take a stand. hope she gets a nobel peace prize. see:
http://www.care2.com/news/member/353817081/3595310
 

Rosemary R Hubby Home Hospital (634)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 11:19 pm

" Sameya Mohammad Abdel-Razek, a grandmother from the Egyptian city of Giza is talking about female genital mutilation.

It has been condemned by international health organisations for years. It was made illegal in Egypt in 2008, and yet it is still very widely practised."

Suhair al Bata'a death could have been prevented;however she was in the wrong hands! The women who mutilated and ultimately caused her death need to be legally prosecuted, but they won't be.

" However, religious leaders have given ambiguous messages.

While, in the past, some clerics in Egypt have stated that female genital mutilation has no religious basis, other clerics continue to openly advocate it.

"'Circumcision' is ordered by Allah, Sharia [Islamic religious law] from Allah. Orders from Allah must be realised," says Sheikh Yussef al-Badri, a cleric who has repeatedly petitioned the country's courts to make female genital mutilation legal again. "

What would happen if all women stood up against this cleric? What would happen if all women petitioned their own government and held protests against FGM?

We will never know because this probably is too unlikely to ever happen!

What can the government do really - kill them all ? In the name of Islam !!!!!!!! They just might because that is the narrow minded, twisted, sick psychological profile of every man in Egypt. Their archaic thinking leaves them in the dust and if women want their freedom, if women want the right to OWN their own bodies, minds, and souls, then they have to find the courage to stand up and speak out.
We, their sisters and brothers, friends as one family on our Mother Earth will stand in solidarity with them.

And if it's true that their religion dictates they have no choice but to be submissive to FGM, rape and abuse then women in Egypt don't stand a chance - just ask precious Suhair al Bata'a who was just 13 years old !
She will never know the joy of becoming a woman, of being a mother and a grandmother.

Tragically sad !!!!!!!

We need to send the sadistic 'leaders' of Egypt a petition saying we stand in solidarity with Suhair al Bata, who was basically murdered, and all young girls in Egypt who are forced to submit to FGM. Additionally, that abuse, rape and violence against young girls in Egypt is criminal and must be stopped with new laws that actually would protect innocent children and women from this horrific suffering that, as Dr. Adly states :

'No political will'
It is the humiliation of a girl's humanity”

Dr Naglaa el-Adly

National Council for Women
Research has shown common psychological effects as well.

"There is a huge negative impact," says Dr Naglaa el-Adly, who is in charge of research at Egypt's National Council for Women.

"It is the humiliation of a girl's humanity," she says. "They face a type of terrorism as human beings. They are depressed and feel pain and the operation is introduced suddenly which is shocking."

Dr Adly explains that the procedure's origins in the region are ancient, but that now it is often rationalised as relating to religion, and to purity.

"When they tell the girl it is a religious practice she believes Islam is against her," she says. "So her perception of religion is changed."

Dr Adly fears there is currently no political will in Egypt to enforce the laws that ban female genital mutilation. "




 

Rosemary R Hubby Home Hospital (634)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 11:32 pm
Nancy C.'s petitions for the UK can only be signed by those living in the UK.

however i was able to sign this>
Congratulations. You have successfully signed the petition:
Maimuna Must Stay. Asylum Now, Not FGM!
You are signer #281
 

Stuart Thomas (504)
Monday June 24, 2013, 1:33 am
Unbelieveable and cruel!
 

Frances Darcy (217)
Monday June 24, 2013, 2:49 am
I was able to sign 2 of Nancy C 's petitions ... thanks for providing them Nancy,Is there any way they could be promoted better? I am sure they would generate many signatures . And Nancy Black , you said it all and very eloquently without profanity or ranting ... thank you
Nancy Black (252)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 9:33 pm
Noted, tweeted, shared, tweeted, shared. This is barbaric and also reveals the ignorance of men to make women the scapegoats for any sexual activity, which is a joke especially in those countries where women are only considered property. Most of these women don't try to tempt men; they are raped or forced to comply, and then they are punished for being raped or complying. Can't understand how these women survive such a life. I know they don't know any other culture, but I believe I would commit suicide before I would accept the treatment these women endure. Holy men talking about women controlling their sexual urges is a joke. These women aren't raping men. Even prostitutes are under the control of men. Women doing this to their children and grandchildren makes little sense except they have been brainwashed and so damaged themselves that they believe this will help their daughters survive in the culture. This is sick and until women get equal rights, which is probably never, this will continue. God help them; no one else has and neither has God or Mohammud.
 

Helle H. (21)
Monday June 24, 2013, 4:30 am
I think it would be OK if the men got penises cut of af well. They want the pleasure but don't want the women to have the same.
 

Lillian Martin (1)
Monday June 24, 2013, 5:59 am
This reminds me of the "foot bindings" the Chinese did to its little girls; crippling them for life. Women, mothers, grandmothers, aunt etc. need to stand up to the men and protect their daughters, granddaughters, nieces. I find this so upsetting that these little girls have no one to help them.
 

Michela m. (3868)
Monday June 24, 2013, 6:33 am

very sadly noted........... no words
 

Winn Adams (191)
Monday June 24, 2013, 6:39 am
This is so disgusting and despicable that this still happens to girls anywhere in this world. I will pray for her and hope that somehow, someway this will end for all females throughout the world.
 

Carol D. (108)
Monday June 24, 2013, 7:23 am
What a terrible thing for girls to go through and when will they ever stop it probably never
How can we hope to have a world without animal cruelty when we cant even have a world without cruelty to other humans The muslim men must have bad inferiority complexes if he is so worried about a womans sexual desires and to have to have a woman so subservient to him

noted thanks
 

John De Avalon (35)
Monday June 24, 2013, 7:27 am
Poor girl. What a senseless waste of a young life...
 

Ms Noting Commentator (21)
Monday June 24, 2013, 7:27 am
'On the contrary, there have been statements from the ruling Muslim Brotherhood defending the practice.

"It is left to the media to change attitudes," says Dr Adly. "And to the religious leaders, they need to tell people it's not related to Islam or Christianity."

However, religious leaders have given ambiguous messages.

While, in the past, some clerics in Egypt have stated that female genital mutilation has no religious basis, other clerics continue to openly advocate it.

"'Circumcision' is ordered by Allah, Sharia [Islamic religious law] from Allah. Orders from Allah must be realised," says Sheikh Yussef al-Badri, a cleric who has repeatedly petitioned the country's courts to make female genital mutilation legal again.'


Well, that is the problem! It is written in the Koran.

Mohammad even wrote and advised on how much tissue to leave on the young girl.

A good Muslim will actually read and study his or her Koran the same as good Christians read their Holy Bible and as good Jews read or listen to the Torah.

A good Muslim will actually follow Mohammad and leave the recommended amount of tissue on the young girl.
 

John De Avalon (35)
Monday June 24, 2013, 7:28 am
Another poor reflection on Muslim men....
 

Lona Goudswaard (68)
Monday June 24, 2013, 8:06 am
We can condemn it all we want in the western world - and we should - but this ancient custom will not disappear unless the the women in the countries that practice this mutilation become better educated. It's not a religious practice as such (not all Islamic countries or areas practice it), but it is used by the more fanatic Muslims to gain more control over their people. Sadly making a better education less likely.

The future for women is very bleak for those Islamic countries where religiously more strict Muslims have taken over from previous dictators. In Egypt it may not have been very democratic under Mubarak, but genital mutilation was illegal. Now the Islamic Brotherhood is seizing power, this practice will soon be legal again because the Brotherhood will deem it a religious practice.

Terrible as it is, there is little to be done against it except call out against it, but they'll take little notice. What will help a little is educating the Muslim women (and men) about these practices and making sure that genital mutilation is illegal an persecuted in western countries.
In the Netherlands it is a crime to mutilate your daughter (female relative) this way, and no-one can claim exemption on religious grounds. In extension to this, it is also unlawful to take your daughter to Egypt for a holiday and have it done there. However, its difficult to prosecute if the daughter isn't brought back.
 

Vlasta M. (7)
Monday June 24, 2013, 9:05 am
I had my tonsils removed because they were infected and caused me .lots of problems. 95% of American boys are circumcised after being born, usually in a hospital before sent home with their moms. Among Jews, circumcision of boys is done at the 8th days after birth, and it is not only for hygiene but a ritual of belonging to Judaism Covenant. Europeans, unlike Americans normally do not circumcise their sons and thus during Nazi Germany Jews were hunted and reconginze3d by pulling their pants down by the Nazis!

Female "circumcision" among Muslims IS NOT just removing small amount of tissue, but it is a mutilation THAT IS DONE ON 5-10 YEARS OLD GIRLS AND CUTS OUT THE entire CLITORIS in order to prevent her from feeling pleasure in sex since Muslims believe that women are the cause of all evil and allow their virginity to be lost if they have clitoris. It is MUTILATION of the girl's body and girl's spirit too, since it is done when they are already old enough to understand and feel horrendous pain..

Males circumcision and the MUTILATION of girls by Islam , are like day and night, just like Judaism and Islam are. Judaism teaches CHOSE LIFE! Islam teaches: Don't be like Jews who love life, but prepare for the "eternal life" where you can get after death by becoming a "martyr", i,e, by murdering Jews and Americans. Women and girls are banned from this Muslim Paradise with 72 virgins and 12 per-pubescent boy "to do with them as they please". Unlike Christian Paradise, Muslim Paradise is a little whorehouse in the skies designed specially for young Muslim men to enjoy young girls which they could not enjoy on Earth because OLD RICH GUYS take all the little girls fro themselves, just as Mohamed did when he married Aisha when she was 6 y and he was 51;-)!. Read Koran to see for yourself (www.cspipublishing.com/pdfs/ATwoHourKoran.pdf‎)

Islam REALLY STINKS and it is incompatible with the US Constitution and with the Universal Declaration of Human and Hymn Rights. Obama must be impeached and tried for treason before he destroys America. completely by cavorting with his Muslim Brotherhood and financing Muslim cannibals in Syria who are worse then Assad, just as the guys who came to power in Arab countries after Obama helped them depose of their secular dictators..
 

. (0)
Monday June 24, 2013, 9:08 am
Terrible and disgusting! I don't like Muslims. They do really crazy and stupid things.
 

ewoud k. (73)
Monday June 24, 2013, 11:00 am
It's a men's world. When this is sung, why not. When this leads to things like this girl dying, it's just shameful.

No need to bring up a good reason for these practices, as there is no reason whatsoever for this sort of mutilation.

Sad story.
 

Donna W. (0)
Monday June 24, 2013, 11:30 am
Sorry guys, but it's you men who have problems controlling your sex urges. Girls are not the ones who need to be controlled; men need women to be covered up, kept indoors, mutilated, kept in harems, whatever else they can dream up. It's all about controlling women and girls, when men ought instead to learn to control THEMSELVES! Girls, on the other hand, mostly want to be loved and admired, which is why they dress pretty and want boyfriends. Just study a little psychology and compare the differences in men's and women's emotions and needs.
 

Jude Hand (59)
Monday June 24, 2013, 4:40 pm
Noted. As a woman, I hate to hear about female genital mutilation and the bogus beliefs as to its importance. As a sponsor of a young woman in another continent, it really scared me until I was able to ascertain that she hadn't encountered this, and I can only hope it's true. We hear from the men. What are women who were genitally mutilated as girls have to say? But, I guess, the women aren't allowed to speak, so....?
 

bob m. (32)
Monday June 24, 2013, 5:07 pm


Heart aches!
 

bob m. (32)
Monday June 24, 2013, 5:22 pm


But no ..they (this slaving cult); did not forget male COMPLETE sexual organ removal for males.........on the boys they returned from Africa and Europe with ...I guess the sex was really hot in the ole tents all round ... with little pearlie boys dressed in little girl clothes ........hey ....this is still goin on isn't it?....Would want to be in their shoes when the final curtain falls.
 

Nimue P. (230)
Monday June 24, 2013, 6:58 pm
This needs to be stopped right now, no more genital mutilation! This is wrong on so many levels, a heinous crime against women.
 

Marie W. (65)
Monday June 24, 2013, 11:00 pm
More Bullshit misogyny with males using religion to justify it.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday June 25, 2013, 4:51 am
again people are cruel everywhere
 

Patricia H. (468)
Tuesday June 25, 2013, 5:30 am
sadly noted
 

Elizabeth S. (149)
Tuesday June 25, 2013, 7:16 am
Noted, I agree with Donna W. If this is not bad enough, the practice of an older man marrying an 8 year old child who has no choice but to be raped by the 40 year old "husband" sickens me...here it would be considered pedophilia. They cover women to avoid temptation, I say a devout man should have faith in God and that faith would strengthen the mind and his morality, thereby creating compassion, understanding and respect.for all woman, children and others.
 

bob m. (32)
Tuesday June 25, 2013, 8:43 am


they are afraid that they will sin... so they bury their women in darkness.. they are still dead in trespasses and sin........in fear.... fear is the first gate to perdition..... Job said.." the thing I feared the most has come upon me".... they are slaves to the curse of the law..... to set them free from this The Lamb came... but they refuse Him.
 

Donna W. (0)
Tuesday June 25, 2013, 10:59 am
To Jude Hand: Have you seen or heard of the movie "Half The Sky"? They cover FGM and several other aspects of discrimination against females around the world. Very good movie, though rather depressing. Produced and emceed by Pulitzer Prize winners Nicholas D. Kristof and Sheryl WuDunn, with supporting appearances by beautiful Olivia Wilde, Meg Ryan and several other famous faces. Highly recommended!
 

Phillipa W. (199)
Tuesday June 25, 2013, 11:04 am
genital mutilation in every form has to be wiped off the face of the earth. Never before in history has religion primarily shaped the world around it instead of being influenced by the world. To ignore common sense and everything that is now known should most definitely impact on how people practice religion. Religion is no excuse for genital cutting nor any other practice now known to be harmful and inexcusable.
 

Phillipa W. (199)
Tuesday June 25, 2013, 11:06 am
"Never before in history has religion primarily shaped the world around it instead of being influenced by the world. " well OK, never in ancient history. In the last 2000 years the world and people got totally screwed up.
 

Melania Padilla (176)
Tuesday June 25, 2013, 12:38 pm
What the f***!!! Are we in medieval times? Nno!!! Sick bastards, thanks for posting, sharing.
 

Jaime A. (32)
Tuesday June 25, 2013, 2:33 pm
This is barberic.!!
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Tuesday June 25, 2013, 11:47 pm
They use the term 'morals' so loosely don't they. There is no sanctity of life or limb with these Islamists.
 

Stan B. (124)
Wednesday June 26, 2013, 1:26 am
My thanks to everyone who contributed to this story. There were some great comments.
Female genital mutilation is the ultimate example of subjugation of girls/women.
Any religion, race, cult or religious leader who promotes it is beneath contempt. Sadly I cannot see it coming to an end anytime soon.
 

Proud Infidel (7)
Wednesday June 26, 2013, 3:23 am
islam should be banned! why is it not? why do we allow people to promote an ideology that is worse than Nazism and Fascism together? why do we respect people worshiping a pedophile warlord? muhammad (piss be upon him) demanded that all non-muslims be killed. why does ANYONE have ANY respect for this kind of non-sense crap?
 

Berny p. (23)
Wednesday June 26, 2013, 9:23 am



STOP Female Genital Mutilation (FGM / ‘cutting’) in Britain

UK Government: Enforce the UK law which forbids FGM

Help Stop Female Genital Mutilation

Stop female genital mutilation in the UK!

Maimuna Must Stay. Asylum Now, Not FGM!

Reintroduce HR1319

if government had guts..they would do so.....BUT NO GOVERNMENT HAVE THIS!
 

Alice Mullen (13)
Friday June 28, 2013, 5:27 am
Barbarism!
 
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