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Is Evacuation Possible? Nuclear Industry With Outdated Evacuation Plans


Environment  (tags: Nuclear Power Plants, evacuation plans, Ft. Calhoun, Los Alamos, radiation, disaster )

Dandelion
- 1157 days ago - youtube.com
Two natural disasters threaten two nuclear facilities in heavily populated areas of Los Alamos, New Mexico and Fort Calhoun, Nebraska, United States.



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Dandelion G. (386)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 6:33 am
End Taxpayer Subsidies for Nuclear Power

If anyone else has a petition against the Nuclear Power please add it in the threads. Thank you.
 

Naoko I. (262)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 6:47 am
I cannot send you a Green Star yet, Dandelion, but thanks for posting this. Gladly signed the petition.
 

Barbara K. (88)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 8:42 am
Thanks, my friend. I hope we get around to wind and solar energy, the only truly safe energies we have, and we must do it now rather than later.
 

patricia lasek (317)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 9:07 am
There are no fail-safes for nuclear power plants. I just hope it doesn't develop into a full-blwn disaster at either site.

Signed the petition.
 

Tammy V. (119)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 9:08 am
Peace!
 

Eileen Novak (444)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 9:10 am
#26,990 Hope to see this number keep rising. We the People want change. Barbara mentions wind & solar. We could have safe energy and provide jobs at the same time. Nuclear energy will continue to fulfill the prophesy on its danger.
Look at what's going on with the Los Alamos evacuations. Is massive gridlock always a part of any evacuation plan? Seem so; always happens. Why even in Minot, ND last week the news showed miles of highway parking lots, where no one was moving. (This is not an "instant" emergency.) They told the people to leave, and in the next breath, told them to say off the highways. Huh? How does one do both?
From evacuation plans to basic checks, security and safety has never been a big priority for the money grubbers in charge of nuclear power.
 

Shelly Peterson (213)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 9:34 am
Signed!! ..............No more excuse for nuclear power anywhere, period!
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 9:37 am
This was one of the big issues we brought up Eileen when I was fighting the Seabrook, New Hampshire nuke plant being put there. We lived in a tourist area and all of the beaches would be packed with people during the summers. People not familiar with the area, some who didn't even speak English would go to the beaches, so on a good day, when the storm clouds would suddenly roll up and start raining down, the people would all get into their cars to head home. It was a mess! Bumper to bumber traffic for miles all the beaches having only the single one lane leading off of them, into the towns on the mainland that also go chocked with traffic before the cars could reach the Interstate of I-95 which use to be full of traffic heading to Vacationland Maine.

Now that was only for people who were leaving the area that were day trippers. Add into the mix you'd have to evacuate the tourist who had Motel and Hotel rooms or rented cottages for the week. Then you still have a population who lived there year round to evacuate. One then had to deal with the Elderly in Nursing Homes, all the sick in the various hospitals that were in the area. There was just no way it could be done, absolutely in all who lived there minds it could never be done, and that was with a much lower population than exists now.

But the Paid for Spokesperson, who didn't live in the area, assured everyone that it was first of all highly doubtful that this would ever need to be done, then if so, it could be done. Right. So after more than 10 years of fighting for this not to be built, from trying to keep the permit from being issued to the last second it went on line in 1986 it was crammed down our throats anyways. One of the reasons, although not the only one, I'm not living back in the place of my birth.
 

Mandi T. (424)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 10:12 am
Thank you for taking the time to sign this petition
 

Jim Phillips (3209)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 10:32 am
Petition signed.

No more nuclear power plants & weapons.

TY, Danddelion.
.
 

Steven Walle (38)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 10:43 am
Green star again Dandelion. Thank you. I signed and noted. Your 4th of July speach was right on. It reminded me of a speach by Fredric Douglas along the same lines. Be Blessed.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 10:54 am
Wow, Fredric Douglas.....if you find the speech let me know.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 10:59 am
Thanks Dandelion...have signed the petition for hubby and myself? Evacuate the whole earth? There is no escape from radiation.
 

Glenda J. (158)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 11:19 am
Thanks Sheryl for sharing this
 

michael sullivan (1027)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 11:51 am
nuclear power plants + unpredictable natural disasters/severe weather = disaster -- this is not rocket science!
 

Deb E. (64)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 3:04 pm
A link (you'll have to copy/paste) for those who wish to sign other than American nuclear petitions and to show how many other countries are against nuclear power

http://www.angusrshamal.com/manifestation-against-nuclear-energy/

Thanks for taking the time to send this and your 4th of July reminder of what we should be doing on this date, Sheryl. So many people just take it for granted that we buy fireworks and barbeque our dinner on this date but many haven't a clue why it is really done. At times, to me, it feels like nothing more than propaganda in this day and age of corporate takeover.
 

James W. (258)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 5:08 pm
Signed & Noted Thanks
 

Patricia W. (94)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 8:54 pm
Done. Thanks Dandelion. This debate has been going on for over 50 years now and no one has shown that it's safe. Nothing is 100%. But we've now seen that it won't take much to head into disaster.

This is NOT meant to be funny, but does anyone remember the saying from the 60's when nuclear power was coming on the scene ... In case of a nuclear disaster, sit on a chair, put your head between your knees ... and kiss your a$$ goodbye.
 

Good H. (3827)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 9:00 pm
It is time for a new paradigm, a new energy... Fighting the old fear based paradigm will not work...

Embracing and bringing in the new energy will make the old energy obsolete.. see www.agreenroadblog.com , specific blog post http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/2851642
 

Elena Arutiunova (34)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 9:05 pm
Thx for the video
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 9:08 pm
Patricia W. I sure do remember that statement. We also had T-shirts made as we lived on the coast and at the beach, with a guy with his head in the sand and his butt sticking out with the nuke plant that was being built on the coast of Seabrook, NH in the background. After the tsunamie in Japan I've had nightmares of that plant as it too is right at the ocean being destroyed by one of those waves.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 9:20 pm
First of all, there is no danger at Fort Calhoun. But it seem I can say this until I am blue in the face and no one will listen.

As far as Los Alamos, I'm a bit more concerned about hat one and what would happen if the fires research the low level radioactive waste that is stored outside. But, the entire town of Los Alamos has already been evacuated by a mandatory evacuation order. So if the worst case scenario does happen at Los Alamos, the people who are at risk are already gone.
 

Sophi Z. (1)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 9:21 pm
Thanks Dandelon. I'm not surprised that the nuclear industry is not keeping up it's evacuation plans at the same time it's demanding more plants. It's time to say No to more plants and to somehow get rid of the ones we already have.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 9:25 pm
Btw, I would also point out that you should take anything you see on Nightline with a grain of salt. Nightlight is competing for the 11:30 time slot with the late night shows hosted by Jay Leno and David Letterman. And it is failing in that time slot miserably. So anytime they get a sensationalist story that they can try to boost viewership with, they run with it.

This is why the idea of commercial "for profit" news is such a failure. Because their ultimate goal is making money. Not accurate reporting. And if they have to sensationalize / over-dramatize / instill fear and panic in order to get more viewership, and thus more commercial advertising interest, than that is what they tend to do.

NPR and BBC are the only two major news sources I listen to. It's sad when a news agency from the UK provides better, more accurate, and more through reporting about news in the U.S. than any of the major commercial U.S. news agencies do.
 

Patricia W. (94)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 9:40 pm
Excellent, Dandelion! Maybe we should re-issue those t's. Maybe we can make a point better with humor :)
 

Mm M. (449)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 9:51 pm
OM???? Star sent to Dande for you Naoko for both of us for this...
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 9:57 pm
The primary concern on this story was evacuation plans throughout the United States and although they have been able to get the people out at Los Alamos in a timely way there are many nuclear plants that are in high population areas and they could not get out the people quickly enough. I've had first hand experience on the so called evacuation plans as I had stated in the thread above.

I don't think it was a wrong time for any news channel or entertainment news story to bring up that the plans to evacuate are outdated at many of the nuclear plants. If this story brings forth that conversation and will in turn lead to serious improvements in that area, then I see no harm in what Nightline has done nor my putting this story on here.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 29, 2011, 10:54 pm
> there are many nuclear plants that are in high population areas and they
> could not get out the people quickly enough.

Dandelion G, keep in mind that almost all nuclear emergencies develop over a period of several days.So there actually is plenty of time to get people evacuated as long as they err on the side of safety.

The problems at Fukushima didn't develop overnight for example. The plant survived the earthquake itself with no damage. It was the loss of power and flooding of the backup generators that caused the problem. But even after loss of all power, it took about 3 days before serious problems started to develop. So that gave people plenty of time to evacuate.
 

Abdullah D. (5)
Thursday June 30, 2011, 4:11 am
Its insane that the Nuclear regulatory commission keeps pushing down standards so that they can continue to operate these old and dangerous Nuclear power stations. they need to follow Germany's example and decommission them all in favour of renewable energies.
 

Naoko I. (262)
Thursday June 30, 2011, 6:15 am
Panthera Leo, whether the Fukushima No.1 nuclear plant has survived the quake is now in doubt. And even if people "have plenty of time to evacuate," then no one can be sure when it is safe for them to "return." The whole area/region whould be inhabitable, at least for a quite considerable time, during which lots of people lose (proper) place to live, means of income, etc.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 30, 2011, 6:30 am
> The whole area/region whould be inhabitable, at least for a quite
> considerable time, during which lots of people lose (proper)
> place to live, means of income, etc.

Changing the evacuation plans is not going to fix that part though
 

Naoko I. (262)
Thursday June 30, 2011, 6:42 am
That's right. So I say No More Nukes. Evacuation is not the answer. Shutting down the nuke plant is.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Thursday June 30, 2011, 8:02 am
Right on Naoko. Nuclear is not the way, but as we have them in place we need to be able to get the people out. We know from past nuclear accidents that the people were NOT removed quickly enough before they had too much exposure.

As this video stated, just around one nuclear plant near New York City that would require 17 MILLION people to be removed. It takes a lot of time to remove that many people and to where? That is a major relocation that would devastate the local economy anywhere near that site as well as have reverberations throughout.

Around the nuclear plants many have cancer rates higher than before the plants were placed there and are higher than surrounding areas further away from the nuclear plants. There are no 'safe" nuclear plants as we have seen over and over again. I would like them all to be phased out, but until then, we need to try to be pro-active and save as many as we can, outdated evacuation plans do not cut it. It is wrong, it is inhumane to leave thousands if not millions in a situation for which they could not protect themselves.
 

Patrick Donovan (319)
Thursday June 30, 2011, 8:18 am
Thank you, Dandelion. It's amazing to me how many people stick their heads in the sand or buy into the sound bite responses of the profiteers.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Thursday June 30, 2011, 9:30 am
For your consideration....
Wallow Fire - Special Request from the Native Brothers and Sisters in the SW

Please forward as you see fit

Hello everybody - as you can see on the news the Wallow fire in Northern Arizona is still uncontrollable and spreading.
The fire has destroyed everything in its path, over 1/2 million acres so far, the largest fire in Arizona history. Please join us in a tribal prayer to help the firefighters and all involved. Pray so the winds stop and the rains start (without lightning please) We want to pray for the safety of all. Ask for heavenly walls to protect our land and animals from fire. All the choppers, manpower, planes, and bulldozers are not enough, they need our help. We are one Nation as Natives and our traditional prayers to the Creator as Natives can be pretty powerful; not only are our tribal lands at stake (White Mountain & San Carlos Apaches, possibly Zuni, and some Navajo areas), but our non-native friends also need our help. Please let us all connect our minds, hearts and our prayers across the miles and pray. Wherever you are and whatever you have plan please stop for a few minutes and raise your hands to the Creator to ask for help. If all of you can forward this message across the Nations, we can reach many thru phone and internet. Please start forwarding ASAP to reach as many as we can. Please if your spiritual preference is not traditional - pray with us in however way you talk to the Creator.

Thank you,
Dorothea Stevens, San Carlos Apache Nation

 

Greenpeace USA (350)
Thursday June 30, 2011, 10:43 am
excellent find!
 

Bill C. (98)
Friday July 1, 2011, 4:00 am
There is no safe nuclear anything as long as it is in the hands of profiteers. In the event of a real emergency, do the American people really believe they will be rescued, evacuated, be put in safe, guiding hands? It is your leaders and profiteers, big business, politics, military who will be the first to flee and the hell with the little people. Wake up! Thanks for posting this, Sheryl
 

DeborahAnnAWAY W. (237)
Thursday July 7, 2011, 10:57 am
Thanks for sharing, Dandelion. I can't send you a green star, I sent one earlier in the week. NO NUCLEAR POWER! NO NUCLEAR WEAPONS! It was wrong years ago, it's wrong now, it will always be WRONG!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 7, 2011, 12:29 pm
Deborah Ann,

Nuclear weapons probably prevented World War III. They are probably the only reason the United States and NATO never fought a full scale war with the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact forces during the cold war. The consequences of doing so were just too unthinkable for both sides, thanks to nuclear weapons.

Ironically, nuclear weapons probably saved hundreds of thousands, and maybe even millions of lives by preventing WWIII. In that sense, they did their job extremely well.
 
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