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The Return of Debtors' Prisons.....Breast Cancer Survivor Jailed for $280 Medical Bill


Society & Culture  (tags: Debtors Prisons, For Profit Prisons, collection agencies )

Dandelion
- 978 days ago - cbsnews.com
Although the U.S. abolished debtors' prisons in the 1830s, more than a third of U.S. states allow the police to haul people in who don't pay all manner of debts, from bills for health care services to credit card and auto loans.



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Bill K. (14)
Monday April 23, 2012, 1:28 pm
Republicans keep talking about cutting budgets. They should start with our judicial system. How much does it cost to keep someone in prison for a day, or a year? Yet we pay to keep our prisons overcrowded with non-violent offenders.
 

Rosemary Rannes (640)
Monday April 23, 2012, 2:01 pm
Lisa Lindsay apparently didn't owe the money in the first place according to this article!
I find this outrageous and I hope she can sue the state for damages and make them pay up!
I agree with Bill K.
 

Dandelion G. (384)
Monday April 23, 2012, 2:14 pm
Indeed Rosemary, and that makes it even more agregious. We have more people in our prisons than any other Country in the world. But that is what we must do right? I mean, these FOR PROFIT prisons need bodies in which to keep going. What a sick society we have.

I have on my profile page this statement after the passing of the Scotus ruling on January 23, 2010 by the Supreme Court.

There you have it. Corporations are our new citizens. And you? If you're lucky, you get to make a choice: consumer, warrior or prisoner. Which will it be?
 

Edwin M. (356)
Monday April 23, 2012, 3:36 pm
This is what happens when the extreme right wing gains control. Look for more of the same if they win in November. Thanks Sheryl
 

Mary T. (185)
Monday April 23, 2012, 3:37 pm
Thanks Dandelion for posting this truly outrageous story, Just more people in prisons is what this country needs, Build more prison for the non-violent offenders and the poor for not paying bills that they can't pay.
 

Ms Noting Commentator (21)
Monday April 23, 2012, 3:45 pm
This is very disappointing to read! Actually, I was not aware we practiced these procedures up to the 1830s. I thought it was one of the serious British issues that pressured people to colonize America.
 

. (2)
Monday April 23, 2012, 5:11 pm



It's time to sign petitions
 

Past Member (0)
Monday April 23, 2012, 5:56 pm
Very sad. I guess the work houses and debtors' prisons of Dickens'/Scrooge's day are back...thanks to the Repugs. Thanks Dandelion.
 

Jill P. (70)
Monday April 23, 2012, 6:40 pm
We cannot keep blaming just the Right wing. If we really want change for the better we need to get to the root of the problem. We have a Democrat President and a Democrat majority in the Senate. The right wing could not do any of the atrocities we are all suffering without the help of the Democrats. The demons are on both sides. It's time to get rid of ALL the demons not just the demons on the "wrong" team. Time to clean House...the Senate and the White House. Hire human beings instead of tyrrants.
 

Janet B. (36)
Monday April 23, 2012, 7:27 pm
Always, always, hire a legal advisor...and make monthly payments when things get out of control...that way you are protected. Paralegal talking here and giving good sound advice...then again, have children who are lawyers..and they owe you for sending them to college......but collection companies are as mean as ever..like a junk yard dog, and Satan combined.
 

Sue D. (150)
Monday April 23, 2012, 7:56 pm
It is a disgrace, especially in times like these. If all these extreme actions keep happening, and the economy continues to tank and no jobs or only minimum/part time, people will simply stop paying any thing and intentionally get put in jail. At least they usually get medical care, 3 meals a day and a place to sleep. Even if no medical care, most would be no worse off than they were to begin with.

 

Daniel Partlow (189)
Monday April 23, 2012, 9:11 pm
I may be joining these ranks soon for my own medical bills. It sucks to not have insurance. It sucks worse to not have insurance and have a life threatening medical problem!!!
 

SuSanne P. (186)
Monday April 23, 2012, 10:57 pm
ThankX Dandelion. I am lucky to have a good PPO Plan, or am I? After my hospital/surgery~ the bills began arriving last month. I have a stack 2 inches high and gave up half way through with my co pays exceeding 18K. It was so stressful I became ill again... As I don't need that after the He$$ I experienced, I'll wait until the beginning of the month to deal with it. Dandi PLEASE TAKE YOUR CONDITION SERIOUS. My Nightmare began with a cold and AFTER anti-bios and hospital visits in mid November I felt fine. I was far from fine and mid January was not expected to live as this super bug (in my opinion) has affected nearly all I know. You have been ill a very long time now...please get an X-ray and don't be fooled!
 

Patricia E. G. (57)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 3:48 am
This is an oximoron

Thank you Sheryl
 

Cynthia not well (340)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 4:58 am
Welcome to Corporate America where the greedy rule and the poor and middle class suffer until they become extinct. We are slowly becoming an endangered species. Occupy before it's to late.
 

Myron Scott (70)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 6:11 am
It's the harshness and often the injustice to debtors that seizes our attention; but the sheer waste of prison space, law enforcement resources and the loss of working people's services and taxes are appalling, too.
And all for less than $300.
 

Jill P. (70)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 7:06 am
This isn't surprising. They Repugs and Dums are trying to destroy as many people as possible. In a time like this, with o obs, no money they are not only making it criminal but they are trying to put more people on the streets and out of their homes.
Obama has cut Medicare, what, 3 or 4 times now in less than 3 years. Because of his "progressive" compassion he isnow throwing people off disability. They have a program now where they are revisiting disability cases and reassessing if someone is disabled or not. Hvaving a physical disability is not enough. They get to decide if you can work or not. If they thinkyou can work, part time, full time, then they eclare you "no longer have a disability" and throw you off and into a market that has no jobs and does not readily hire the disabled in good times.
As far as our wonderful President and congress are concerned, the more homelss the better. Then they can be thrown in prison for vagrancy. God Bless America!
 

Dandelion G. (384)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 7:30 am
I hear you Jill. Is why I keep telling people to vote for a 3rd Party Candidate, at least give them a chance for the two Parties in Office now are both ripping the average American apart. If you got back and follow the steps of both parties, each one has taken the next evil step from the party before to get us to where we are today.

But each side puts their blinders on for THEIR Party and are all too quick to point to the evils of the "other" side or Party. Bush put in the Patriot Act but Obama signed in the NDAA, there are many examples of this sort of thing that goes back 40 years, of one Party doing one dasdardly deed only to be followed by the other Party doing something else dispicable to us.

The People get angry with the Party in Office so the vote them out only to vote in the other Party that they had voted out before that they were not happy with. Back and forth and back and forth and all we have gotten is a worse policy than the Party before had done. Back and forth and back and forth.
VOTE ROCKY WHO TAKES NO MORE THAN $100 FROM CORPORATIONS AND INVDIVIDUALS
 

tas away m. (338)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 9:03 am
and what role does bankruptcy protection play in this case? going to jail for unsecured debt sounds unconstitutional.
 

Dandelion G. (384)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 9:44 am
Bankruptcy is something few would go through for $280 dollars and I'm not sure if a Lawyer or the rules of bankruptcy would even pertain for such a small amount.

Most people just need some extra time to get on their feet. If this economy wasn't tanked by foolish policies then most people wouldn't owe this money. In the case of this woman is wasn't even money she owed but an error as well as this report states many are not even informed they are being taken to court. So if you are not aware of the money you owe, it's a mistake, or if you think you have extra time, this is just so wrong on so many counts.

And our Constitution doesn't seem to count for much anymore, the Elites have taken over, they rule the roost.
 

Lindsay Kemp (1)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 10:46 am
What??? How on earth did this happen?? She had been told she didn't owe the money, yet the debt was still turned over to a debt collection agency - and no-one along the line spotted the error?
 

Jim Phillips (3202)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 11:08 am
There are members of the House and Senate that owe money.
They should get first hand experiences that will make them think twice
before they allow the "Debtors Prisons" or even the "Collection Agencies to exist in the first place.

Collection agencies have gone after the relatives to collect money from those who died...???

Ty, Dandelion.
.
 

cecily w. (0)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 11:29 am
It's not just the political right or the political left. Our whole foundation of various laws and their offshoots are way too complex. That's how common sense gets shoved under bus.

For example if a flaw is found in a law, another law is made to counter the first law, ad infinitum. Zillions of tons of paper (and recently, electronic bits). What you end up with is a system that nobody can keep up with.

It's time to go back to basic premises and start over--before our country sinks down the tubes.
 

Marlene Dinkins (245)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 12:05 pm
noted thnx for the article
 

Judy C. (101)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 12:07 pm
I thought debtors' prisons were a thing of the past, but apparently they aren't. This fits well with privatized prisons. Now those of us who can manage to stay on this side of the bars get to pay for this outrage. Thanks Dandelion.
 

Catherine Turley (193)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 12:55 pm
i can't understand how it could even get to this point. most everybody gets a check of some sort. can't these agencies just garnish income?
 

donald Baumgartner (6)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 1:18 pm
Public Option!!
Recall this Judge!!
 

pam w. (191)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 1:25 pm
"more than a third of U.S. states allow the police to haul people in who don't pay all manner of debts, from bills for health care services to credit card and auto loans."

++++++++++++ Oh, THAT'S productive! Whose less-than-brilliant plan put THIS into action?
 

TERRANCE N. (65)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 1:45 pm
The real criminals in the sight of God are those who use usury( the charging of interest) to subvert our economic system. Putting a person in prison for owing what they counted afford to pay is so hypocritical. Doesn't our government owe 14 trillion dollars to the federal reserve bank? Can the government pay it? No. Since our government is really an actual person (based on the supreme court citizens united ruling), shouldn't someone representing the government be jailed?

It is time to abolish this system that allows the few banksters to use usery to put us all in debt. The first place to start with is the federal reserve bank. Charging interest so a few can be enriched at the expense of the rest of us is ihumane.
 

Allan Yorkowitz (448)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 2:52 pm
This poor woman's ordeal is outrageous.
In NJ, I don't know if it's the same in all states, if you pay a creditor $1. a month, it shows good faith, and the law cannot touch you. I'm assuming this still is the law.
 

Aimee A. (177)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 3:05 pm
Ah yes! The state of Ill-annoy: the most corrupt state in the union. Just when I think they can't sink any lower, I read articles like this that describe their new lows. Thanks for posting!
 

marie c. (168)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 3:08 pm
Noted thanks Dandelion
 

Tom Sullivan (98)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 3:32 pm
still waiting for all our goverment officals to go to prison for failing to pay our debt off
 

Dave C. (227)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 3:45 pm
how sad.....guess some CEO couldn't get his buy out or bonus fast enough....
 

Craig Zimmerman (86)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 4:27 pm
If Obama had done Healthcare reform properly, this wouldn't be a problem.
 

Craig Zimmerman (86)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 4:32 pm
Prisons are big business. Just ask Wells Fargo Bank.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 5:19 pm
TU Dandelion. Care2 member Susan V has created a petition on this ---

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/577/727/106/end-debtors-prison-and-war-on-the-poor/

Sorry can't make it a hyperlink (Firefox issue)
 

Cate S. (7)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 5:28 pm
Thank you Dandelion. I hope Obama is returned & can bring in much stronger health reforms. No-one should be imprisoned for any debt, especially for health . debts.
 

Jim Phillips (3202)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 5:29 pm
Petition above signed.

Ty, Armand.
.
 

Lisa Hess (6)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 6:23 pm
It really looks like these people that are doing this horrid thing are just nutz. It seems to me like we are unraveling as a country. Every day more and more stories like this are showing up its destressing. We dont have to worry about any other country taking us down they are just sitting watching us do it to our selfs
 

Vicky P. (466)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 6:24 pm
so sad.. what's wrong with these idiots
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 6:35 pm
Thanks Dandelion.

As many have commented, this case highlights why the USA has more people incarcerated than any other nation state.
 

Frank S. (461)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 6:44 pm
Hmm, I wonder if that's why they are building so many private prisons?
 

Janet R. (34)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 7:29 pm
I read this on Yahoo this morning and all I can say is it is utterly ridiculous. What happened to this woman could happen to any of us. How many times have we had billing problems and we were told, no problems, nothing to pay. I hope she gets out jail soon.
 

Jason S. (57)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 9:11 pm
Debt is not criminal, money the system dieing anyways, just stop paid all your bills and taxes.
 

Quanta Kiran (65)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 9:51 pm
Thanks.
 

Aurea Walker (216)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 10:27 pm
THIS IS REALLY A "W T F" MOMENT! Not only is a cancer survivor and then jail her for a lousy $280.00 - how about the FUBLICAN Rick Vomitorium/santorum and the millions he is debt for? Hell what about the GOP'rs not paying rent for a YEAR, $96,000.00 is owed to the owner of the building?

Silly me I keep thinking there is equality under the justice system NOT!

I hope the woman sues the pants off the morons for this travesty of justice.
 

Shirley S. (176)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 11:48 pm
This woman's case is definitely WRONGFUL ARREST !
 

Shan D. (49)
Tuesday April 24, 2012, 11:48 pm
"Collection agencies have gone after the relatives to collect money from those who died..." - That was tried when my dad's girlfriend died. We started getting phone calls from stores and companies she owed, and we told them all to contact her next of kin who happened to live in another province. One outfit kept threatening - Real Canadian Superstore, due to a credit card debt - and they said they would take all of her possessions. I told them I'd gladly put everything in a bag and come down and dump it out on the floor in their office, since none of it was worth anything except to a rag collector. They finally did leave us alone.
 

Dandelion G. (384)
Wednesday April 25, 2012, 6:35 am
Thank you Armand B. here if the hyperlink to the PETITION you mention.
END DEBTORS PRISON AND WAR ON THE POOR PETITION
 

Jennifer Ward (40)
Wednesday April 25, 2012, 7:09 am
I had a problem years ago with a phone company. It was like dealing with the Mafia- infact- I think the Mafia would have been more reasonable. I paid and paid- well beyond the original debt- but as it was a cell phone for my daughter and she was interstate- it was hard to settle.

In the end, my daughter came back and it became clear the bills were bogus.

I wrote a long letter to the phone company's legal department- outlining everything I had done to satisify them and how unfairly they had treated me.

For the kicker I included an itemised bill for my time, and demanded they pay me within 14 days or they would incur interest.

It must have done the trick, because the next thing I received was a refund cheque. It wasn't what I had demanded, but I'm told that I'm possibly the person ever to get a refund from that particular phone company.

You have to fight these bastards back, using their own methods. Poor woman, I hope she is okay.

 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday April 25, 2012, 11:07 am
This is also what happens when good people do nothing., not just when Repugs are in charge
When Obama does not change these things, he is complicit.
 

l L. (1)
Wednesday April 25, 2012, 11:28 am
wow-- IS this how they are to fill the fema prisons? Do we need any more reminders of the last republican rule in america or the world?
A family memeber told me about this yesterday the 24th. Now I read it here today.
I have a question.
When have any progressive polices been pushed in these last 3 and one half years. I thought none had/has been. That is why I say; progressives rock!
These reaching across the aisle giving into the R's sucks. I am tired of it. I am tired of bipartisanship over taking care of america vs giving away all of the concerns of the 99% to a give-away to the R's.
Not interested at all--now or ever.

Ass long as America doesn't forget how bad it was under the Bush years and how it can be under any republican; we can overcome the odd's with or without money. We can and will prevail and win.

Progressives rock. Progressives are fighting back hard for America and the 99%.
I know about the executive order about the disabled. It was a slap in the face, that any president would sign such a thing against people who believed and trusted him and this is how he mistreats them as well. It is up to him to make his wrongs right.
 

Gene Jacobson (256)
Wednesday April 25, 2012, 12:16 pm
This is not uncommon. Here in Minnesota our State Attorney General is suing several out of state, and some in state, debt collectors who are using horror tactics to try to collect expired debts, debts not owed, debts discharged. There are a lot of companies out there who buy debt for pennies on the dollar then use tactics just like this stories to try to collect on them. Even when they know the debt isn't owed. They are the modern day mafia only now they don't break your bones, they break your spirit. The lowest of the low.
 

Lois Jordan (58)
Wednesday April 25, 2012, 6:02 pm
Thanks for the post, Dandelion...and the petition link--gladly signed. All I can really add is, Banks Got Bailed Out, We Got Sold Out.
 

Carmen S. (618)
Wednesday April 25, 2012, 6:16 pm
thanks Dandelion
 

Kevin Lewis (1)
Wednesday April 25, 2012, 7:54 pm
If you are sitting in jail how the hell are you supposed to pay the money back.
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (283)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 3:50 am
it reminds me of a Charles Dickens novel
 

Christopher Fowler (84)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 7:36 am
Return? BULLS**T!!

Non-custodial parents, drained of money by the fatally flawed and unrepentantly corrupt, by design, child support system go to jail every day, just because they have no more money left to give, lest they become homeless, not that the courts care. They WANT IT THAT WAY, just so that they can justify their actions and promote the LIE of the dead-beat dad.

Being dead broke is not a crime, but making someone dead broke to insure that a government agency or rich corporation can get it's budget for the next year should be a crime.
 

Ginger Geronimo (441)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 9:08 am
According to the article, it said that she was first told that she received the bill in error & didn't have to pay it & now she's in jail for not paying? Isn't bad enough that this poor woman has to deal with having cancer without being put through this crap?

I know of someone who hasn't paid hardly a dime of child support in years. This person has been turned in for non child support payments several times & nobody has yet to do anything to make them pay. They haven't thrown them in jail or nothing, but they'll throw in a woman with cancer for only supposedly owning $280? What in the world?
 

Donna B. (36)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 1:13 pm
Wow. Shocking!!
 

Roger M. (0)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 1:31 pm
Madness.
 

TERRANCE N. (65)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 1:39 pm
Our politicians have allowed those who care about nothing except money to run amuck. It started with Reagan who sold his soul and then the nations soul to the corporation with his tax cuts. Then Bubba I feel your pain Bill Clinton comes along and deregulated almost everything starting with Glass Stigel so he could get a $100 million dollar parachute out of office. Bush Jr and Obama have followed the Reagan mold. They gave cart blanche to the moneyed elite to eviscerate We the people. Both will also be rewarded for screwing us.
 

Robert O. (12)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 1:41 pm
Talk about insanity! Why is it a crime to be poor but not a crime to oppress others thus making them poor? Thanks Dandelion.
 

Dandelion G. (384)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 2:32 pm
This is America....shocking and full of madness. I agree.
PLEASE UNITE ON MAY 1ST LEARN HOW
 

Dandelion G. (384)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 2:34 pm
You cannot currently send a star to TERRANCE because you have done so within the last week.
 

Ge M. (218)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 6:21 pm
If you have money then companies beg you to borrow it, if you are poor then go away!

In the UK it is slightly different. We have companies that help arrange to lump all of your debts together, stop interest charges, and pay them back over a period of time. They also charge the individual monthly! But, it can help some people but to make huge profits on the back of the poor is disgusting but legal. There are also charities that do similar things but there are few around.

One thing that we do do better is that it is possible to work out monthly payments with courts so that debts can be paid off over a period of time.

We also do not have the power, as Schwartenegger did, to cut pensions to the elderly and disabled because he had totally mismanaged the state budget. That was disgusting. I believe that he should pay them out of his pocket. He and his wife have enough money to be comfortable but he managed to reduce hundreds of people to starvation level and I do not think that he had the right to do so.

Dandelion, I cannot make the comment that I would like to make as it would be deleted! It does not surprise me that the government does not care about the voters, they are receiving sufficient kickbacks and salary to be comfortable. As long as the government gets away with it then the population suffers.

America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
Abraham Lincoln
 

Jennifer Ward (40)
Friday April 27, 2012, 5:10 am
You have to be so aware of their tricks. I owed on a credit card and i got some money together and negotiated it down to 51% of the debt , with no default on my credit score.

I told them that I was leaving work and only had a certain amount. I got a couple of real a/holes in the beginning, they behaved like real brats- so I called one day (after several failed attempts) and asked if there were any adults were working there, as I would like to speak to one about my account. So the guy that answered the phone said he was an adult and I explained that I had no success talking to others there about a settlement, as they seemed to be more interested in being spiteful and childish that doing business.

With the ground rules set, we negotiated. I started low, as you can always go up and make the person you are negotiating with feel good about getting you up.

It just takes courage and chutzpah - they are happy to take a good chunk of dough and you get off the hook- but make sure you get everything in writing before you hand over a dime- and keep your records on paper- you will probably need them when some other collector comes after you for the same debt. (how many collectors do they sell the same debt to?)
 

Dandelion G. (384)
Friday April 27, 2012, 5:38 am
Thank you Phyllis B. for your advice. I would suggest that once everyone gets their debts paid down use cash and pay as you go. I realize for large items like cars that is not possible, but don't build up those credit cards. If you make one purchase, say buy a computer, pay it off and wait till the balance is 0 before placing anything else on there. We need to break out of this credit trap that so many were sucked into.

The jobs are not there anymore, good paying jobs are leaving, and one can't depend on anything anymore. Just try to live within the means one has and use cash, that is my best advice. Keep it simple, there is less stress that way, and love the ones around you. Take time to smell the roses, do inexpensive but enjoyable things with family and friends.
 

TERRANCE N. (65)
Friday April 27, 2012, 6:52 am
Gladly signed Dandelion and great advice! Also, fifty percent of bills I get from corporations are eventually inacturate and bogus. Disputing with them is an ordeal. But we must fight back. Our politicians can take a huge load off of us if they can just be fair. But the politicians represent the total interest of the corporations. We need a Roosevelt again.
 

Jill P. (70)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 8:44 am
Medical debt is unavoidable. We have a house of rescued animals and now that they are all elderly the vet bills run up, medicine, special food. I spend more on them than on myself. Between my husband's care and theirs I keep telling people I run a geriatric assylum, since we're all nuts over here. LOL
I find it interesting that the news and radi0, including NPR, keep making the debt people are in sound like it is due to spending sprees people go on buying name brand clothing, and expensive shoes and purses. If that were true why is Walmart so successful?
 

Dandelion G. (384)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 10:45 am
That right Jill, it's all those handbags I bought at Wal-Mart with no money to put in them that has me in a bind. *sarcasm* I love the ones who "think" they know what is going on.

Bottom line is, if this woman, and the rest of us, had Universal Health Care, she would not have faced this issue.
 

Susan V. (81)
Sunday April 29, 2012, 1:00 am
Please see my petition on the subject. thanks

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/577/727/106/end-debtors-prison-and-war-on-the-poor/
 

Jennifer C. (169)
Sunday April 29, 2012, 7:43 am
Sadly noted. Thanks.
 

Amena Ravenwing (187)
Sunday April 29, 2012, 1:34 pm
Hateful and frightening. Thanks, Dandelion.
 

Diane L. (110)
Tuesday May 1, 2012, 10:53 pm
Just saw this, I'm a bit behind in reading newsletters. I wonder what we're not told in the article? It says this woman never owed the debt, was told it wasn't hers, was harrassed by a collection agency and then State Troopes showed up at her door and then she's handcuffed? Since when do STATE TROOPERS go out on debt collectiion in any state? I think lots is not being stated here.

I'm sure different states approach debt collection differently, but wonder what might else have gone on? Maybe this woman did or said something else that we're not being told? Maybe she violated a federal law trying to get the collection agency off her back, who knows? Love to hear her side of it.
 

Diane L. (110)
Tuesday May 1, 2012, 11:01 pm
Reading the article, it says Illinois is the only state that allows this. Then it lists 4 other states where it seems to be happening, including where I live..........Washington. I'd like to know specifics, not just an accusation and inuendo. If somebody was told by a court to pay a debt, and according to law here, there must be a lawsuit filed in a legal court, reasonable attempts to collect made before it goes to "judgement" and even then, it stays on somebody's credit report for 7 years max. If it's protested, then things can change. If somebody goes to court and is found liable and tells the judge off or refuses to pay, then possibly they are found "in contempt" and in those cases, yes, can end up in jail. If the charge is for court costs, warrants, fines for felonies or misdeanors, FTA, then yes, the person can be arrested. Not paying a doctor bill is not something that one would end up in jail over. If it was, a few in my family wouldn't ever see the light of day. Even the court costs,fine thing only goes so far. I know of one individual who got arrested for driving while suspended, also drinking and using a controlled substance, bailed out and then skipped to another state. The bail bond company tried to go after the person who bailed him out, but wouldn't go after him since he went across a state line. If he comes back to Washington and is stopped for something, yes, he can be arrested on the spot. They're just not going to look for him.
 

JL A. (276)
Wednesday May 2, 2012, 5:13 am
more of the war on women's strategies--especially if health care reform is repealed?
 

Nancy C. (812)
Tuesday May 15, 2012, 4:32 pm
In the past, I've been to court for a housemates' debt. Even after I had moved out, I was subpoenaed twice. Once for his credit cards, another for his failure to pay rent. Time spent and legal fees killed me...
 

Dandelion G. (384)
Tuesday May 15, 2012, 4:58 pm
Terrific, (sarcasm), is bad enough one would have to go through all that for their own debts but for someone else's debts is simply terrible. I've been getting calls for 8 years concerning this woman who happens to have my last name. I keep telling them that I don't know her, I have no idea about any of what they say. Just because we do have the same last name doesn't mean I do know her nor have anything to do with her.

I've tried to explain to the debt callers that many people have the same last names and don't know of each other. The calls stop for awhile, then start up again, I'm just so sick of it. I've changed my number to no avail, the new number ends up getting the calls again and some of the people on the other end have been less than pleasant. I can only hope that I don't end up being pulled into court for this unknown person that somehow got linked to me.
 

Jill P. (70)
Wednesday May 16, 2012, 6:07 pm
I wonder if consumer affairs can do anything. They don't seem to do much but maybe this is the one thing they can help with. Even if it were your debt they are not allowed to harrass you. since it has nothing to do with you I would think there is some action you can take. If nothing else maybe yu can block the phone number.
 

Dandelion G. (384)
Wednesday May 16, 2012, 6:24 pm
I assure you, it isn't my debt....but this just goes to show another way how this Country has changed. I did check Consumer Affairs, no not any help. It's quiet again, I think the screaming at the top of my voice was the best thing I came up with. Insanity seems to work in this Country, look at how well it's worked for Washington as they keep getting elected and have wonderful medical care.
 

Diane L. (110)
Thursday May 17, 2012, 1:32 am
Dandelion, as you've probably noticed, Care.2 has changed your "username" again to what you sign petitions with! Yeah, I know what you mean by the "screaming at the top of your voice" thing on a phone while you're listening to "press 1 for XXX", "press 2 for YYY" and you never do get the right option! I've invented a few new cuss words myself, I think.
 

Jill P. (70)
Thursday May 17, 2012, 8:06 am
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