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Tell Mitt Romney That His Racism and Ignorance in Jerusalem Was Unacceptable


Society & Culture  (tags: Mitt Romney, Palestinian and Israeli economies, culture, inaccurate, misleading, racist, ignorant )

Dandelion
- 819 days ago - salsa.democracyinaction.org
His statements in Jerusalem regarding the growth of the Palestinian and Israeli economies were inaccurate and misleading. Israel's Occupation of Palestinian land makes it impossible for the Palestinian economy to succeed, not "cultural differences."



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Naoko I. (259)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 7:51 am
Petition signed, and shared on FB.
 

Michael M. (58)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 7:55 am
Tell him at the polls.
 

Esther Z. (96)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 8:16 am
Noted and signed. Well, this took care of his foreign policy knowledge, or lack thereof, and presidential image....
 

Sue H. (7)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 8:29 am
Noted but kept getting an error page when I hit the sign button....we're sorry, the page isn't here.??
 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 8:35 am

Thanks so much for posting this, Sheryl!

(Signed earlier)
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 9:40 am
FOR THOSE GETTING AN ERROR WHEN THEY SIGN......YOU CAN GO THROUGH THIS LINK WITHOUT AN ERROR SHOWING UP, UNTIL THEY GET THEIR WEBSITE FIXED. Go to the bottom of the words it will have a spot that reads Sign the Petition here:
APOLOGIZE MITT ROMNEY ANOTHER LINK IF THE OTHER LINK ISN'T WORKING

Sorry I have no control over that, it was working when I first put it up.
 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 9:45 am

Yes, it took me about 4 tries to get my information accepted. I'm hoping it's because they're experiencing heavy traffic!

 

Alexander Werner (53)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 9:48 am
It is obvious that the cultures of Israel and its Arab neighbor states are VERY different, and recognizing this fact makes no one racist, ignorant or any other smear name people will invent to besmirch their opponent at any price.
 

Ben Oscarsito (316)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 9:57 am
Done. Here's an article from Aljazeera:
"The truth about Mitt Romney. Romney's disastrous trip overseas revealed little more than the ugly truth about himself..."
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/08/2012817256211965.html
 

ParsifalOFFLINE S. (100)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 10:03 am

A confession to AIPAC - this Bilderberg contaminated Israel-First lobby carefully selects US presidents.

If US citizen believe they could ever 'elect' a president, they are seriously wrong.

AIPAC is where world policy is made.

Invade a country here, bring down economy there, declare an other state a rogue state, etc.

Mr. Romney puppet knows exactly whom he has to serve.
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 10:06 am
As I know some are having an issue with the petition coming up in error from the Jewish Voices Direct link, it does appear that going through another link will take you to the SAME petition, and that is working. So however you want to do it, I placed that on as a news story too. It is the hotlink I gave above but only now it is on C2 news. Ok, if anyone wants to note it to give it some legs, for those who feel Romney was out of line here I'd like to give them the opportunity.
Another link to Petition but a C2 News Link

As I said in my write up to those who are connected to me, it is the same logic that is used by some concerning the First Nations and American Indians. That blaming the "culture" of the Indian people for their lack and not taking into consideration the history of having their lands stolen up to and including presently, the rights to obtain food or be able to provide themselves with adequate nutrition, a neglect and or abuse of a Dominent Society upon another, a lengthy genocide placed upon them, is just wrong and had nothing to do with their culture as to why the Indian people struggle today. I see this as no different.
 

Barbara K. (83)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 10:16 am
S & N, thanks, my friend.
 

tasunka m. (334)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 10:31 am
done.
thanks for the opportunity to tell Mitt to go to hell in Aramaic.
 

Nyack Clancy (446)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 10:38 am
Thanks for telling Mitt Romney that ignorance and racism are unacceptable.

,

Thank you so much for signing the petition to Mitt Romney! Help us get enough signatures so that he'll know that his statements were not a reflection of our American values. You can use the tool below to simply send an email about this petition to friends and loved ones.

Thank you again! We can really make a difference here.

Rebecca Vilkomerson,
Jewish Voice for Peace
 

. (0)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 10:39 am
signed. Thanks for the alternate link Dandelion, as the other takes you to the oopps page. Well he certainly made an ass of himself. and it will come back to bite at election time. Open mouth-insert foot
 

Kit B. (276)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 10:42 am

We're sorry--that page isn't here. You can use your back button to return to the previous page.

Frustrating - but I did use the link to other submission and did sign there. They sure look the same. Thanks Dandelion.
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 11:45 am
They are Kit, they got to the exact same petition, one is on the original website which does not seem to be working and the other is another website that leads you to the original petition link, but that works. Go Figure. But glad everyone is finding the one that works.
 

LaurenSICK Kozen (160)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 1:06 pm
Noted & Signed. Thanks Dandelion.
 

Jim Phillips (3209)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 1:30 pm
Petition signed.

Mitt Rmoney is wrong and pathetic is so many ways...

Ty, Dandelion
.
 

Edwin M. (366)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 1:45 pm
Tried to sign but kept receiving this message---We're sorry--that page isn't here. You can use your back button to return to the previous page.

It looks like you've requested a page that is currently unavailable from this server. This may be due to a typo in the web address you've requested. Are you sure that this:
http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/301/p/action/wrapperProcessAction.jsp

is the URL you intended to visit? If it is, and you believe that you have reached this page in error, please contact the technical staff of the organization whose page you were attempting to access, and let them know page you were coming from:
I also clicked on their link which brought me back to the petition which I filled out again and included a message but it kept taking me back to the same message.
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 2:00 pm
To those just coming onto this thread. For some reason the link to the petition from this site stopped working. However I placed on another link that is working to the petition. Thank you. Any of these hotlinks on this page will take you to it. Including this hotlink
HOTLINK TO PETITION THAT WORKS
 

James W. (263)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 5:37 pm
Done & Done Thanks Dandelion
 

Kamila A. (141)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 9:41 pm
signed, thank you Dandelion. This Romney guy is the biggest idiot on the planet (and we thought Bush was bad).
Hey Romney, how about the tax returns, buddy?
 

Phillipa W. (199)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 9:52 pm
Thanks. it took a couple of days but I finally signed.
 

Susanne R. (249)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 10:29 pm
This poor, rich man doesn't have a clue! He's simply not presidential material. What kind of ignorant and offensive things might he say if he became president --and his comments affected foreign relations?

The article Ben provided a link to is well worth reading. Thanks, Ben!

I've already signed this petition. I hope Mitt is properly embarrassed for his ignorant and condescending remarks. Thanks for posting this, Dandelion!

 

Shaheen N. (64)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 12:03 am
Thanks Sheryl. Noted & signed the other link.
 

sheila l. (110)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 12:25 am
Mitt Romney's message was Excellent and it was nothing that was not said before by Saudi Arabian intellectuals who wrote on Palestinian culture. He stated the truth and I know that is a very hard pill for many to swallow.

The Palestinians raise their kids to be terrorists; education is not a priority as it is with the Jews. There is a marked contrast in their societys, one is very successful and the other one is not. It has a lot to do with their idealogy and how they cultivate their peoples. Mitt was right!
 

Robert O. (12)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 1:18 am
SL L., that is absolutely ridiculous. He stated the truth as believed by conservative, nationalist elitists, that in all honesty have very little if any true knowledge of the region and the problems plaguing Palestine. They see the truth they want to, not the truth that exists.
 

Roger M. (0)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 5:14 am
He's a worry, isn't he?

We're back to the good old bad old days of fearing what George W is going to say next. Thought we were done with that. But no.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 5:32 am
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Dandelion because you have done so within the last week.
Thank You Sheryl.A great post.
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 5:46 am
Saudi Arabian intellectuals, would this be the same high upstanding ones that still continue to behead people for standing up for their human rights? The same ones who do not allow women many rights at all includes driving a vehicle. The same ones who are heavy handed putting down anyone that would dare question anything the rulers dictate? I guess that is one way to, as you say, cultivate their people. Keep them right in lock step with every word you say.

Well perhaps Mitt Romney would feel very comfortable among those supportive intellectuals. Seems to be a right wing attack on womens rights in the USA, maybe they'd like for us to be in same position as Saudi women. Get a culture more like theirs. Robert excellent statement.
 

Jennifer C. (172)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 6:58 am
Noted. Thanks.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 8:46 am
Is it really the culture of the Palestinians or the criminal deeds of Israel that is an obstacle against development in occupied Palestinians territories? Romney might is either ignorant,Fascist or faces a lack of knowledge. This report issued by UN office for coordination of humanitarian affairs on 18,February 2011 shows exactly who is responsible . Please read

Demolitions, drought and displacement in West Bank Area C

Saleem Hadaleen: “My cistern was bulldozed by Israeli authorities without warning in December”
RAMALLAH, 18 February 2011 (IRIN) - Demolition of livelihood structures and drought are hitting already impoverished Palestinian communities living in Area C of the West Bank hard this year, according to UN agencies and international aid organizations working in the occupied Palestinian territory (OPT).

Demolition of livelihood structures - including commercial structures, educational facilities, wells, water cisterns, water storage tanks, farmland and animal pens - by Israeli authorities in the West Bank and East Jerusalem increased by about 85 percent in 2010 and so far in 2011, the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) told IRIN.

“Over 12,500 Palestinians were affected by the demolition of livelihood structures in the West Bank and East Jerusalem in 2010,” Ramesh Rajasingham, head of OCHA in Jerusalem, told IRIN, and “the majority of people effected, were impacted by the demolition of water cisterns in Area C.”

During 2010, 21 cisterns were demolished by the Israeli army, of which 9 were built thanks to funding from international donors. Of those demolished, 20 were in Hebron and one in Bethlehem, and two were built before 1948, OCHA says.

Cisterns - used to collect rainwater - are the only water source for livestock in these herding communities and the demolitions create economic hardship for thousands of people. During summer cisterns are also a domestic water source.

Forced to buy costly fodder, water

The West Bank is facing a rainfall shortage this season (September-March), which decreases grazing pastures and water levels in cisterns, forcing herders to purchase costly fodder and water from private tanks to sustain their animals, said the Palestinian Authority (PA) agricultural ministry.

About 150,000 Palestinians and 300,000 Israeli settlers - out of the West Bank’s 2.5 million people - live in Area C, according to UN estimates, while a total of 500,000 settlers live in occupied Palestinian land in the West Bank.

“My cistern was bulldozed by Israeli authorities without warning in December,” said goat herder Saleem Hadaleen, 32, from Khashem ad-Daraj in south Hebron. About 1,200 people live in his herding community.

“The Israelis claim they tacked a demolition order to the cistern, but I did not receive it,” he said, “and now the animals have to walk twice as far to reach a water source.”

Saleem and his flock have been forced to return home, struggling to support his family of eight.

Saleem and many community members say their proximity to the construction of the “barrier” to the southeast and the expansion of the Israeli settlement Karmel to the northwest account for the demolitions which are forcing them to relocate.

Livelihood structures demolished

Two hundred and ninety-four livelihood and services structures in the West Bank were demolished by Israeli authorities in 2010, including 240 in Area C and 54 in Jerusalem, said OCHA.

UN Humanitarian Coordinator for oPt Max Gaylord told IRIN some 3,000 outstanding demolition orders remain for various residential and livelihood structures across the West Bank and East Jerusalem.


Israel is trying to prevent economic and infrastructure development in these areas to reduce the Palestinian presence on the land

“There is a clear increase in the demolition of livelihood structures in 2010 and 2011. This is happening mostly in the Jordan Valley, Area C, and in areas adjacent to settlements and the `barrier’ and in occupied East Jerusalem,” said Ghassan Al-Khatib, an official from PA prime minister Salam Fayyad’s office in Ramallah.

“Israel is trying to prevent economic and infrastructure development in these areas to reduce the Palestinian presence on the land to allow for further settlement expansion, and construction of the barrier,” said Al-Khatib.

Maj Guy Inbar, the Coordinator for [Israeli] Government Activities in the Territories, told IRIN: “In 2010, 172 warrants for the dismantling of structures [including houses] belonging to Palestinians were issued in Area C, an almost identical figure to the number of structures belonging to Israelis that were dismantled in the same time period.”

Another 150 such structures were removed from firing (closed military) zones, said Inbar.

“The legal standing of the firing zones is exactly the same for both Israelis and Palestinians,” he said.

Areas A, B and C

The 1995 Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and Gaza Strip (also known as Oslo II) categorized land in the West Bank into areas A, B and C.

According to the agreement, Area A is under the control of the PA, and Area B under the joint control of Israel and the PA. About 95 percent of the Palestinian population live in these two areas, though they make up only 40 percent of the land area.





Photo: OCHA



Hebron closure map (See larger version of map)

In Area C, Israel retains military authority and full control over the building and planning sphere, while responsibility for the provision of services falls to the PA.

About 70 percent of Area C is classified as a firing zone, settlement areas, or nature reserves, and is inaccessible to Palestinians, said OCHA’s Rajasingham.

Yousef Hadaleen, `muktar’ (community leader) of Khashem ad-Daraj in south Hebron since 1979, said only two families and the elementary school are connected to a water network in his community located 3-4km from where the “barrier” will be constructed.

“The movement of our community is restricted within a master-plan given to us by the Israeli authorities in 2008,” he said.

“Herders move seasonally, and we are continuously fined 750 NIS [Israeli New Shekels, about US$200] by Israeli authorities for being in areas near the ‘barrier’,” he added.

However, even structures within the “master-plan” are not guaranteed security from demolitions, said Rajasingham.

OCHA is monitoring displacement risks for the population in Area C through community profiling exercises with other agencies.

Eight cisterns in the West Bank recently received demolition orders.

NGO dilemma

International NGOs working in Area C are struggling to find a compromise between meeting the emergency needs of the population, and building within the legal framework outlined by the Israeli Civil Administration, according to a recent study published by Italian NGO GVC.

NGOs want to rebuild livelihood structures, but fear they will be re-demolished.

UN agencies and aid organizations view Area C as one of the biggest humanitarian concerns in the West Bank due the threat of demolitions, lack of access to basic services, particularly water and sanitation infrastructure, and movement restrictions.

An inter-agency assessment in February 2010 found that 79 percent of the herding population in Area C is food insecure, citing the erosion of livelihoods due to a lack of access to land, and water scarcity, as the main contributing factors.

es/cb
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 9:14 am
This was just a hint about Israel's crime on earth in a part of Palestine. What about the sea. A report by UN office of coordination of humanitarian affairs/ Worth reading.

Gaza fishermen under fire

GAZA CITY, 24 February 2010 (IRIN) - Sami al-Qouqa, a 30-year-old former fisherman from al-Shati refugee camp in northern Gaza, lost his left hand when his fishing boat came under fire from an Israeli gunboat on 12 March 2007, in an incident documented by the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights.

“I was on my small fishing boat in Palestinian fishing waters when two Israeli warships approached me. The Israeli navy shouted at me: ‘Go back or we’ll kill you!’ Initially, I refused, so they began shooting at me. One of the gunboat’s shells hit me and seriously wounded my left forearm and hand,” al-Quoqa told IRIN.

He was taken to al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City where doctors amputated his hand. He has since been unemployed and depends on the UN agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA) for food aid for his wife and two sons.

Gaza fishermen say ever-tightening restrictions on where they can fish, frequent attacks by Israeli gunboats and an economic blockade in place since 2007 are putting more and more of them out of business.

“Now, Israelis shoot all the time and without reason. The Israeli navy keeps confiscating fishing equipment and ripping up fishermen’s nets. We want a solution but we don’t know how or what or when. How long can this go on?” Muhamed Subuh al-Hissi, a member of the Palestinian fishermen’s trade union in Gaza, told IRIN.

Gazan fishermen take high risks for a meagre reward

He said that before the 23-day Israel-Hamas war in Gaza around the beginning of 2009 Israeli gunboats only opened fire on fishermen who strayed beyond the three-mile buffer zone, but now boats were shot at well within the zone.

Under the Oslo Accords, a peace agreement between the Palestinian Liberation Organization and Israel signed in 1993, fishermen in Gaza were legally allowed to venture out 20 nautical miles. However, since the start of the second `intifada’ in 2000, the Israeli navy imposed a three-mile fishing limit, and has enforced it rigourously since last year’s war, saying it was necessary to stop weapons being smuggled into Gaza.

Israeli view

“The Israeli marines shoot at Palestinian boats which are suspected of smuggling arms into Gaza, posing a threat to the security of Israel," Avikhay Adrii, an Israeli army spokesman, told IRIN. “Some groups use Palestinian fishing boats for terror purposes and the Israeli navy must protect Israel’s shores.”

In early February Israeli Navy Commander Maj-Gen Eliezer Marom told reporters that Palestinian “terror organizations” were “making cynical use of Gaza’s fishermen for terror purposes” after the discovery on an Israeli beach of a third explosive device disguised as a barrel. He said any collaboration with the Palestinian militant groups who claimed responsibility for the launching of the barrels would harm fishermen’s livelihoods.

“Regular security ships guard the area, and allow Gaza’s fishermen to fish peacefully. I call on them not to cooperate with terror organizations and not to allow them to use these fishing boats for these purposes,” he said.

According to the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR), from 20 January to 2 December 2009, there were 36 Israeli naval attacks on Gaza fishermen while enforcing their buffer zone.

Local witnesses said the latest incident was on 22 February, when Israeli gunboats fired on fishermen off the coast of Gaza, forcing them to return to shore. An Israeli military spokeswoman denied the shooting occurred.

Dwindling catches, hopes

According to Gaza-based Palestinian think-tank PAL-Think,10 years ago there used to be about 6,000 fishermen in Gaza catching 3,000 tons of fish a year; now there are around 3,600 making such small catches that some have turned to opening fish farms on land.

The Israeli blockade also prevents the export of fish out of Gaza, further hitting the livelihoods of fishermen.

“As a result of the Israeli-imposed restrictions on the Gaza Strip, Palestinian fishermen cannot reach many points and cannot catch many fish… All the boats fish in the same areas, and there are no fish as a result in Gaza,” Hamas agriculture minister Mohamed Ramadan Agha told IRIN.

He called on international organizations to take serious action to protect the livelihoods of Palestinian fishermen.

Meanwhile, former fisherman al-Qouqa is despondent: “I’m really living a miserable life because fishing is impossible with only one hand. I come to the port just to see and talk with my fishermen friends. I can’t stay at home all the time.”

 

Alicia v. (181)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 10:48 am
Signed.
 

Henriette Matthijssen (147)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 10:53 am
All of humanity is born with equal rights. I signed & forwarded to my friends. Thanks Dandelion.
 

Allan Yorkowitz (446)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 10:55 am
I could never sign such a thing. What does the Palestinian economy have to do with its culture? It's their actions that define a culture.Their economy actually suffers because of their lack of understanding of who they are; or who they want to be perceived to be, or as who they want they world to see them as...
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 11:07 am
Thank you for all this additional information Abdessalam, I see the plight of the Palestinian people in a similar context as what was done to the American Indian. Same disgraceful actions, and then blame the ones who are being victimized because they fail to meet some economic expectations or whatever else people have in their mind they should or should not be doing.

I think Allan the people know exactly who they are and I'd like to see how you would act if you had to live under the same circumstances that they are trying to endure under.
 

bilja c. (48)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 12:22 pm
i did not have problem to catch the page
 

Constance F. (432)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 12:31 pm
Thank you and thank you Henriette for sending. My pleasure !
Thanks for telling Mitt Romney that ignorance and racism are unacceptable.
 

ParsifalOFFLINE S. (100)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 12:43 pm
Aloha Dandelion.

I am currently working on a research about the worst dictatorship in the world.
No, not Israel.

Saudi Arabia as an ally to USSA and, of course Israel and is supporting 'Free syrian Army' (Al-CIA-da) aka AlQaeda

Stay tuned please,

For the beginning:
There is no country in the world, which is as brutal, ruthless and despotic than Saudi Arabia.
Democracy is prohibited.
The Constitution gives the residents no rights.
Women are especially completely suppressed.

Political parties and elections are prohibited.
The King, determine the Government and the Minister.
The governors of the provinces will be selected by him.
They are all relatives of the royal family.

The media is completely under control.
Most websites are blocked.
All religions, except Islam are forbidden.
Anyone who is only slightly protesting is arrested and imprisoned.
Public gatherings and demonstrations are prohibited.
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 12:59 pm
Thank you Parsifal for adding addtional information to SL L concerning Saudi Arabia.
 

Simon V. (0)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 1:09 pm
Israel has been founded in a country which is already inhabited.

We close the eyes, Israel is a robbed country.

Romney lie eel which crime talks well.
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (467)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 2:37 pm
From the alJazeera article:
'Romney is a very wealthy man, and was born into a very wealthy family, because he and his family possess exceptional traits for which they have been rewarded exceptionally. But a problem arises when rich and powerful men like Romney, or a rich and powerful country like the United States, start to invent stories that rationalise their wealth and power so that wealth and power are no longer the result of decisions made in the political arena but instead the spooky and invisible hand of God.

And once a man, or a country, has the right of divine fiat, then anyone who opposes him, or that country, would logically also oppose God, and naturally anyone who opposes God isn't worth respecting. It isn't far to go before it's fine to dehumanise the other. The poor deserve their poverty, the sick their sickness, the weak their weakness. As one of Podhoretz's commentators said of the Palestinians: "They are a filthy people and deserve what they get."

A focus on culture is preferable to Romney for another reason: He is a member of the American elite, a group that benefits greatly from the upward distribution of wealth and power, a state of economic affairs

that was not an accident or the result of exceptional culture. Instead,
it was the result of concrete decisions made consciously and carefully by members of the American elite,

people who - like Romney - would prefer that non-members did not focus on those decisions but instead on how the elite is deserving of its wealth and power'.
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alJazeera MUCH preferable as a News Source to Fox/Faux "news", ANY day!
Thank you.
 

Diana Bair (7)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 2:41 pm
Signed,facebooked and tweeted. honestly Mitt is out of touch with everyone and everything. he needs to stay home, and not try to campaign in other countries!!!!!. why would any one vote for him???, gop simply picked the wrong one, even newt had a little better sense!!!!!!. Mitt is simply not right as a gop president "runner" he needs to run ........in the OTHER........DIRECTION!!!!!!!. well this is the one they chose, they did not really have a good choice. I wish gop would treat the americian people as they treat other countries ' you "know"....fair elections" and all.........THAT!!!. Diana.
 

Tom Tree (242)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 3:29 pm
Noted and signed.
 

Gerry Moran (17)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 4:37 pm
It seems that a lot of people here are uot of touch with reality. The palestinians, as with all muslims, like abdelsalem, are liars. The Red Cross have stated that there is no humanitarian crisis in Gazza. The israelis have tried to live peacefully, but th ecintinued rocket attacks force them to take action. The 'brave' palestinian men, hide behind women and children, and when they are injured or killed in military operations, the palestinians are happy, because they can tell more lies and claim that the israelis deliberately targetted them.

As SL L said, the palestinians raise their children to be terrorists. They raise them to hate. They raise them to want to die killing jews. I have no time for any religion, but the worse of all by far is islam. When you folks are done helping muslims and defending their cause, I wonder how you'll feel when they want to rape, enslave of execute you for not being muslims. It will serve you all right.
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 5:41 pm
Having Native American heritage, my ancestors already know what that is like to be raped, murdered, and had their land and food sources stolen from them. I also know that others, to protect their own interests, spread stories that the Indians were savage, non human, didn't deserve the rights that the rest of society had, and would kill all whites if they had a chance. When Indians tried to defend their women, children, and homes, the Dominent Society said, see, see how savage they are, they will kill everyone.

A lot of Americans back then believed the stories of Indians on the war path, without obtaining the other side of the story. They were not informed of how Indian villages were set on fire and as the people ran from their homes they were shot on sight, how babies were bashed against trees, how pregnant women were speared into the stomach.

As for how I've been treated by those who call themselves muslim, I've had nothing but kind and curteous dealings with each and every one of them, I can't say the same of those from another faith. I think when you paint a whole segment of people in a negative light, simply because they are muslim or Indians, or any other group, you do a real injustice to your brothers and sisters on this Earth.

I also know not all who live in Israel are happy with the way things are going with their Countries policies. I'm sure not all Palestinian people are peaceful, again, is hard when you have had so much violence subjected upon you, as happened with the American Indian, some fought back as others tried to negotiate or talk sense into the ones trying to kill their families and steal their lands.

And finally, Mitt Romney's remarks were not well chosen, culture is not what is causing the Palestinians to be in the situation they are in economically. No more than when the American Indian who was able to feed and take care of himself and thrived for thousand years, suffered when thrown onto Reservations in most barren part of the land and forbidden to leave, even to get food for their families. Culture had nothing to do with their poverty at that point.
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 5:55 pm

Well said, Sheryl!

(You cannot currently send a star to Dandelion because you have done so within the last week.)

 

Lois Jordan (56)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 6:02 pm
Signed on the 2nd site and went through. Noted. Thanks, Dandelion!
 

Gerry Moran (17)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 6:17 pm
Dandelion. You're clearly a very well meaning lady. But I'm afraid you are very wrong here. To use your analogy of the Native Americans against the Euopeans who wanted your land. Non muslimsare The Native Americans in the story and muslims are the Europeans. You will need to do some research on islam to find the truth, but be prepared for a shock. I used to jump to the defense of islam whenever it was criticised too, but eventually I discovered the truth. You can do the same, but I suggest you do it soon because you are actually digging your own grave here.

If you read the koran and the hadith, and take note of what is going on around the globe, you'll soon get the picture. You talked to a few muslims who made an impression on you. It's called taqiyya. Lying and pretending for the sake of furthering the aims of islam. It's true, I'm sure, that some muslims are decent people, but unfortunately, they all follow islam, which is a hateful, violent, bigotted and intolerant political ideology hell bent on wold domination.

Why don't you believe the Red Cross? They have stated that there is absolutley no humanitarian crisis in Gazza. Doesn't that ring an alarm bell for you? That's not my opinion, it's the opinion of the Red Cross. It's a fact. These people should know what they are talking about.

Please. Do yourself a favour and do some research. Do NOT as muslims, you will only get more lies. Read 'Why I Am Not muslim' By Ibn Warraq for starters. He is an ex-muslim. Maybe you'd prefer to hear it from someone like him, than someone like me, who you clearly have labelled as a bigot. I assure you I am not. I am just someone who has found out the truth and is aware of what's coming of the rest of us don't start figuring it out soon too.
 

Vicky P. (466)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 6:28 pm
noted, page when clicked to confirm signature, not found for me
 

Nimue Pendragon (257)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 6:45 pm
Mitt's a nitwit. S&N thanks.
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 6:48 pm

Whenever I see broad-sweeping generalizations that include ALL people -- or even animals -- in a group (be it because of their religion, sexual orientation, nationalitiy, race, breed, etc.) . . . my radar immediately goes up and, because I have been privileged to meet so many unique living beings, I tend to discount/discard those opinions.

I have heard and read such prejudicial rantings about so many different groups, and in America, each new wave of immigrants was subjected to bigotry. It's particularly unnerving to me to see this coming from Jews, because I feel the Holocaust was a major black mark on humanity -- because of those who caused it, and those who stood silent while witnessing it.

Many of these all-inclusive remarks about (as Sheryl so aptly said) how Native Americans, as portrayed by imperialistic Europeans, justified their right to "manifest destiny" and genocide, and Islam reminds me of old Nazi news reels convincing people that Jews were comparable to vermin; and whites about blacks during the civil rights movement.

Propaganda is propaganda.

 

Eternal Gardener (743)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 7:27 pm
Noted and signed, thanks Dandelion and Henriette!
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 7:27 pm
Thanks Dandelion for the post . Where are the kind of Statesmen today that we need to lead us towards an all encompassing peace and social order that embraces all peoples??
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 7:37 pm
 
An argument against Mabolsa's comment:
 
"It's true, I'm sure, that some muslims are decent people, but unfortunately, they all follow islam, which is a hateful, violent, bigotted and intolerant political ideology hell bent on wold domination."
 
Check out all the Christians who follow the Bible, but don't agree with the other denominations' interpretation:
 
List of Christian denominations

Or Jews:
 
Branches of Judaism
 
Or Muslims:
 
Denominations and Sects of Islam
 
And we could do the same about Buddhists, and all other beliefs.
 
But the point is that, even within these fractured belief systems, each adherent is still unique.  Many people call themselves an adherent of either one (or none) of these organized religions, but are different in the emphasis they place on its practices.  (I have many friends who profess to be Christians who haven't attended a church or picked up a Bible in years.  They say they are because that's how they were raised.)
 
 
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 7:57 pm

All that said, the point of this article -- and it would be nice if we could respect Sheryl enough to return to it -- is that Mitt Romney has, with his obsequious pandering, misinformation and obvious prejudice, shown himself to be an unworthy candidate to represent the United States in any capacity . . . let alone Commander in Chief.

[Stepping down from soapbox.]

 

DORIS L. (61)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 8:15 pm
Mitt has money but no brains. Dangerous.
 

Kathy Chadwell (367)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 8:53 pm
signed,, are you sure he can read?
guess maybe he just never takes the time then?
 

jo M. (3)
Thursday August 2, 2012, 10:15 pm
The truth hurts. Romney's only error was in actually saying it out loud. He's been a politician long enough to know that speaking the truth isn't always the best idea. It just opens one up to shallow minded, knee-jerk reactionism.
 

Joy Wong (75)
Friday August 3, 2012, 12:46 am
Noted but could not sign, will try the other link..Thanks.
 

Marianna Molnar Woods (9)
Friday August 3, 2012, 3:46 am
thanks
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Friday August 3, 2012, 7:22 am
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Parsifal Rain because you have done so within the last week.
Thanks Parsifal
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Friday August 3, 2012, 9:43 am
1 - According to his care2 profile,Mabosla Ritchi joined care2 Jan. 14,2010.What he wants to do? He doesn't know. No causes.No activities.No testimonials and no comments.But he knows that if he ever happened to be a mayor he will make the world a better place " I'd get rid of religious instruction in schools " as he is " Atheist of course!!! "
So he is against all faiths.For him "gods are imaginary"
All this is okay for me .He is free to choose the religion he believes in or to deny them all.Yet he has chosen to attack Islam and Muslims.He apparently has read a book written by a former Muslim but I don't think he knows that there are Only six verses implicitly teach Muslims to practice tolerance even with Atheists, and tell us to treat non-Muslims with respect but yet disapproval..'
" IN THE NAME OF GOD , THE MERCY- GIVING , THE MERCIFUL
* SAY 'O DISBLIEVERS
I DO NOT WORSHIP WHAT YOU WORSHIP
NOR ARE YOU WORSHIPPING WHAT I DO
I WILL NOT WORSHIP WHAT YOU HAVE WORSHIPPED,
NEITHER WILL YOU WORSHIP WHAT I WORSHIP
YOU HAVE YOUR RELIGION
AND I HAVE MY RELIGION "

2 - Mabolsa Richie says " The Palestinians, as with all Muslims, like abdelsalem, are liars".At this point I think he owes me an apology.
I posted two reports on August 2,2012.Both reports are issued and published by UN office of Humanitarian affairs . I am not the reporter nor am I the one who issued them.I believe his statement reflects his hatred speech about Muslims although the issue is about some silly stupid,irresponsible and ignorant statement by Romney which were criticized by many American politicians including Senator McCain unless Mabolsa shares Mitt Romney the same ignorance,stupidity,silliness and irresponsibility.
 

ParsifalOFFLINE S. (100)
Friday August 3, 2012, 9:45 am

Thanks for waiting Dandelion.

'Saudi Arabia is the Worst Dictatorship in the World' (I could have named the article Allies Of Evil) but the caption, naming the name of Saudi Arabia might come closer to reality.
The research sounds starkly in the beginning but with numerous sources in the medium text, framed with explaining videos, think it makes sense and is bullet proof.

Reason for investigation was, I have heard, on June 19, 2012 a Shaman was decapitated in Riad and this was the least I could do for my fellow Shaman for obituary.

Saudi Arabia is the Worst Dictatorship in the World
 

ParsifalOFFLINE S. (100)
Friday August 3, 2012, 9:47 am

Sir Abdessalam, I am beyond organized religion.

But I am neither gnostic nor Atheist.

I just do not need any kind of priest to speak with my creator.


 

Milkah Savage (277)
Friday August 3, 2012, 10:51 am
Dandelion thank You fot standing up for ALL people !!!. And you were so correct on what you said about history repeating itself. Being cherokee and on the dawes roll my people have and still suffer alot of myth and stigma. People need to stop looking through rose colored glasses and see what is really going on in society. It's not pretty and it's only going to get uglier if we don't stop pointing fingers.
Words can be ugly and hate is a scary thing, it spreads like a disease.
Hate=ignorance
 

TERRANCE N. (65)
Friday August 3, 2012, 11:41 am
Gladly signed.
 

Angelika R. (142)
Friday August 3, 2012, 1:01 pm
Have already signed earlier-without any problems. Thanks dear Sheryl for posting and thanks to all others for additional info and valuable comments-with a few exceptions here as could be expected.
There have been a number of articles about Romney's unacceptable behaviour throughout that trip, one I really enjoyed was this: The Romney Slogan: 'Kiss My A**!'
 

Jim Steve (46)
Friday August 3, 2012, 4:39 pm
Ethnic cleansing in the former Yugoslavian countries has been tacitly condoned by NATO. It didn't stop there. In Iraq as a direct result of the US invasion, Sunni, Shi'as and Kurds engaged in purging their areas through a widespread campaign of terror and wholesale killings.... In Iraq, at least two of the sides were armed and trained by the US occupation forces. It was the US supported factions that began the ethnic cleansing.

After the Western nations toppled the Libyan government last year,, dark skinned Africans were been placed in cages, subject to torture. Ethnic and religious minorities have been subjected to harassment, torture, and rape as a method of control that is often seen in these upheavals.

Now many are supporting another intervention in Syria. The slogan of the opposition FSA is "death to the Alawites" and are openly calling for more ethnic cleansing. Including the Christian minorities that are to be exiled from their homeland. Many will die. The US is supplying aid, arms and training to the FSA.

Condemnation of Romney by some here strikes me as duplicitous . The actual charge has merit,but the fact that many here support "death- from -above" Obama who is guilty of the drone murders of countless innocents of different beliefs and races. .

The fact is US foreign policy is racist. Those that support that policy, regardless on the rationalizations and which party is implementing those polices are casting stones from glass houses. Those that are supporting the Western governments destabilizing of Middle Eastern and North African counties under the guise of bringing "freedom" and "democracy" to those nations are, in effect, knowingly or by ignorance, engaging in racism.......... The concept of "noblesse oblige" comes to mind.

If you really want to strike a blow against racism? Oppose US foreign policy.

 

Phyllis Baxter (40)
Friday August 3, 2012, 5:49 pm
I didn't support either side- but the suicide bombings and home invasions made the wall necessary. I remember the weekly bombings at pizza restaurants and commuter busses in Israel on the news. Not wishing to appear racist (that tired old epithet) but the culture of death and teaching children to hate is disturbing to say the least.
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Friday August 3, 2012, 5:59 pm
Thank you Jim for your excellent contribution. I can't speak for the others on here but I don't support either, Obama nor Romney, I'm a supporter of a 3rd Party.
 

Jim Steve (46)
Friday August 3, 2012, 6:23 pm
Dandelion... I'm not voting for either Romney or Obama either. I haven't swallowed the lesser of two evils mantra for a very long time.

We need a POTUS who is not a warmonger in chief.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Saturday August 4, 2012, 8:24 am
My friend Parsifal
I never invite anybody to adopt any religion organized or not organized.Every body is free to believe in what he wants.By the way,In Islam you don't need any middle person to speak to your creator.This is not an invitation to join Islam.

I am sure you have received the green star I have sent to you for your comment on Saudi Arabia although this post is about Mitt Romney's statements in Jerusalem.
 

Carolina Amena (74)
Saturday August 4, 2012, 10:34 am
Polititians and diapers should be changed often for the same reason.
There are guilty, criminal, terrorist and i people in every country, in every society as well as there are innocent people who suffer. We can´t generalize and punish an entire country for some individuals.
Remember everytime you point at somebody, there are three fingers pointing at you.
 

Terrie Williams (771)
Saturday August 4, 2012, 1:45 pm
Thanks for telling Mitt Romney that ignorance and racism are unacceptable.
Signed, noted and shared on FB
 

Judy C. (108)
Saturday August 4, 2012, 2:46 pm
Romney will exploit anyone/anything to get what he wants. I think he may actually believe his own lies. Good discussion, folks. Thanks for the article, Dandelion.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday August 6, 2012, 4:02 am
Romney's point is right: if you give power to thieves and extremists, you won't get prosperity is simple and true.

The usual accusations of "racism" spread by PA chiefs is their traditional method of attacking opponents. After all, PA is the TRUE racist, with death penalty given to Arabs for selling houses to Jews.

I don't take orders from Saudi-funded Muslim Brotherhood to sign such petitions.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Monday August 6, 2012, 6:28 am
Bob Alegron
The invitation to sign the petition came from Jewish Voice for Peace.So you pretend that Jewish Voice for Peace is funded by Saudi Arabia and Muslim brotherhood.So Jews and Muslims are united against the trash coming from Mitt Romney? What about senator McCain comments that criticized Romney?Racism is a close adjective of Zionism.Did you forget UN decision in this respect? I feel sorry for you man.I hope that one day you will come up with some valuable and sensible sentences.
I agree with you that" if you give power to thieves and extremists, you won't get prosperity is simple and true." The thieves and extremists are the Israelis who are still stealing Palestinians land till this moment to build settlements on it.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday August 6, 2012, 8:34 am
Abdessalam,

Jewish Voice for Peace is in fact funded largely by Arabs, I don't need to pretend anything, just read about a scandal of their funding.

Romney said the truth, that Islamist obsession with death and terror will not bring prosperity, like it did not bring it to any Islamist country, other than those swimming in oil.

Noting this basic and obvious difference is not racism. Singling out minorities for tax, like Egyptian law does against Coptic Christians is the true racism. Punishing people by death for selling land to Jews is the true racism of PA.

Blaming Zionism in racism in UN while Arab and Islamic blocs hold huge majority and can blackmail states with oil is just stupid PR nonsense, and even then UN reversed that anti-Zionist.resolution.

Arabs are not entitled to the whole lands of the whole Middle East, get an understanding of it. Druze, Kurds, Azeris, Bahai also want to have their homelands. Israelis took their own land, Arabs are no Turks to pretend to be its owners.

Speaking of cultures, Gazans leave a bit better than Egyptians. Who is "stealing" Egyptian land? Just see, Abdessalam, what type of thieves and extremists you will be getting in your own Egypt. I think they already started...

 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Monday August 6, 2012, 8:49 am
Bob is back again to the old gramophone .
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday August 6, 2012, 10:21 am
Abdessalam, almost nothing changed - except Islamists now executed 15 Egyptian soldiers. Are you OK with that?

Or, you OK when Islamists kill only Americans and Israelis?
 

Gerry Moran (17)
Sunday August 12, 2012, 5:04 am
@ Abdessalam

If I chose not to fill in certain details on my profile, it's none of your business. I do very little with my profile because it's not important to me to do so. As for my idea of banning religious indoctrination in schools, I'm very happy with that stance. The only way religions have survived is by indoctrinating children and lying to them about reality. If we kept religion where it belongs, as a personal and private matter, and didn't indoctrinate children, we'd have been rid of religion a long time ago and the world would be a much better place.

Just look at you guys on here, defending palestinians, and demonizing Israelis. You actually think you're doing something noble, well, the others do. You don't. You're ust doing the usual islamic thing of hating jews and lying about the true nature of islam. But the others seem to think they are engaged in some moral crusade against the evil zionists of Israel and defending the meek and gentle palestinian victims. These same palestinians launch rocket attacks against the israelis, daily. They teach their children to hate, and raise them to aspire to be suicide bombers.

You mentioned the UN reports. Why didn't you give the Red Cross reports which tell us that there is no humanitarian crisis in gaza? It is pointless citing the UN, which has allowed islamic nations to join it's ranks. The UN is supposed to be about promoting peace between nations, and respecting human rights. This ideology should immediately exclude ALL islamic nations from membership, yet they let them in and pander to their never ending tirade of abuse at Israel and their continued calls for the Israel to be demonized. The islamic nations also constantly demand that blasphemy rules be imposed on the population of every country, but only islam is to be protected. Ironically, they want laws in place which make it illegal to link islam with oppression. Of course, they're too stupid to see that this is in itself, oppressive.

Are you proud of your religion? Are you proud of it's 'acheivements'? Are you proud of it's oppression? Are you proud of the paedophilia? Are you proud of the war and the slaughter? Are you proud of the 270,000,000 plus, and still rising daily, body count? Are you proud of the beating of women? Are you proud of the rape? Are you proud of the looting and plundering? Are you proud of the slavery?

YES!!! I oppose islam and I'm PROUD to do so. ANYONE with good moral standards would do the same. And yes, gods are imaginary. I challenge you to provide one smidgin of evidence of the existence of gods.

By the way, we can all quote from your vile work of fiction.

How about these gems:

"4.89": They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

4.89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,

4.91 Ye will find others who desire that they should have security from you, and security from their own folk. So often as they are returned to hostility they are plunged therein. If they keep not aloof from you nor offer you peace nor hold their hands, then take them and kill them wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you clear warrant.

4.101 And when ye go forth in the land, it is no sin for you to curtail (your) worship if ye fear that those who disbelieve may attack you. In truth the disbelievers are an open enemy to you.

4.144 O ye who believe! Choose not disbelievers for (your) friends in place of believers. Would ye give Allah a clear warrant against you ?

2.216 Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.

8.55 Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe.

8:67 It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter.

9.123 O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

2.193 And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

That last one jumps all of=ver your pretence that islam is tollerant, like you tried to show in the nonsense you posted before:

YOU HAVE YOUR RELIGION AND I HAVE MY RELIGION

It is the goal of muslims, to destroy everything, force sharia law on everyone and ensure that no one is allowed to follow any religion other than islam. This is obvious. Either you are stupid, or you want this too.
 

Gerry Moran (17)
Sunday August 12, 2012, 5:09 am
@ Milkah Savage

"Dandelion thank You fot standing up for ALL people !!!"

How can you say she is standing up for ALL people, when she is just standing up for palestinian terrorists, and blaming Israelis for the palestinian situation?
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Sunday August 12, 2012, 9:48 am
Peace on you Mabolsa....Peace on you. This is my rely to your comments . I am sending this peace message to you according to the following verse of the holly Quran " " The true servants of the Most Merciful are those who behave gently and with humility on earth, and whenever the foolish quarrel with them, they reply with [words of] peace."
(al-Furqan 25: 63)
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Sunday August 12, 2012, 3:08 pm
I do stand up for all people Mabolsa if I feel an injust position is taken against them, as we are all entitled to be part of this Earth Nation when we are on our Earth Walk. If more people would act from a respectful place and think more from their hearts rather than from stance that all people are this or that simply because they are of a particular race, heritage, geographical location or their religion or choice to have none such as yourself, I think we would all fair a lot better.

I do take issue when people speak harshly and even with hatred in their hearts when they paint all one group as being wrong, or evil, or what ever choice of words you want to select. I had stated above that not all Palestinians are peaceful as not all Jewish people are violent, and vice versa. I feel Abdessalam has been most respectful on this thread, contrary to another who calls him a liar. We all will not always agree upon everything, but if we are to learn from one another, and to advance this lowly human existance, we need to refrain from taking cheap shots at the other. Submit this Red Cross evidence you speak about, as Mr. Diab left some information, let us weigh it out as readers.

I just find it very distasteful that the conversation has lead, once again, to such low places. The topic was, Mitt Romney stated that the culture of a people had kept them economically inferior. That he didn't take into account or consideration that there are many other factors involved, in my mind, and my heart, is wrong. There are policies in place that impact people, that have nothing to do with their culture. How you drag in your dislike of a particular type of religion, then all religions, really had nothing to do with the culture of a people and Mitt Romney's comment. All you had to do was sign or ignore the petition, but you took it upon yourself to use this as a platform to preach a particular view you have on things.

As I read a story yesterday placed on C2 about a wonderful invention to help the disabled be able to walk so they can get out of their wheelchairs. I thought, wow, how amazing, that will be so helpful to so many people who might want that ability to do that again. It is still in it's testing, but there is hope for others in the future, that for those who may want to stand upright and walk, they may be able to do so. That is what I saw....wonderful invention to help the disabled.

Yet, others took this time to bash the muslims, and bring up things about zionism, and it just went on and on. I'm thinking to myself, wow, these people have such coldness in their hearts that they just couldn't take this news of an invention and say....wow....wonderful. But the invention came out of Israel so that opened doors for the rest of the crap. It NEVER ever crossed my mind, all that these people were dropping onto the thread, never would of even entered my mind, until I was reading all that they left. I don't care who invented it, be it someone from the Congo, Canada, Japan, Mexico, Brazil, Iran, so on and so forth....I'm thinking, wow, that individual will be making so many lives better with their invention. Why did a religious and political debate have to be brought into the thread?

I'm not particularly pleased with the way the USA, where I live, has been in it's foreign policies, lying to get us into Iraq. Many in Iraq were killed, the same destruction we did in VietNam, that we were lied to to send our young to go into the jungles to kill others for our so called freedom and to keep us "safe". History has proven these were not truths, but ploys and lies to get our young men and now our women to, to go off to other lands and fight. There are still Americans that believe the lies, propaganda works well, is why those in power use it all the time. I would ask, that those who live in Iraq and VietNam not hold against me personally, what was done by the Leadership of my Country. It pains my heart, that others suffer for what those in power did, using the name of the USA to do it, and I living in the USA must suffer that pain too, for not enough of us understood and bought into the propaganda. There were not enough who stood up for PEACE but instead bought into the concept that WAR is the way to handle all issues. Not all the muslims approve of what a few muslims did either, such as driving the planes into the WTC.

There are extremist Christians, Tim McVey, who blew up the building on American soil in Oklahoma City in 1995, yet I hear few shouting don't build a Church nearby, or all Christians are evil, bad, so on and so forth. From what I understand there are many passages in the Bible that one could pull out that are violent and can be used to twist around at those who want to use it for their personal agendas. But do all Christians run around killing people, no, I do not see this happening with other faiths either. It was the Christians that came with their gun in one hand and the bible in the other hand, I suppose I could hold against all my Christian brothers and sisters that they killed off many of the American Indians, but I do not.

I do realize what you say, if there was no religion there would be nothing to kill or die for. Perhaps, but with the human condition I'm sure they'd be killing or dying over something. Anything can be used and twisted to serve a spiteful persons purpose, anything can be used against the masses to try to control them and get them to do as the powerful want. I personally do not care if you are athiest, buddhist, spiritualist, christian, agnostic follow islam or are pagan, if you Walk with a Good Heart is enough for me. There are a billion muslims from my understanding, so a few take to extremist actions and therefore all one billion are also extremist, I personally do not accept that anymore than I think all Christians are extremist because of a some Christian extremist actions, or poor choices that some Christians make either now or in the past.

We just recently had a shooting in a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, maybe it was solely because they were of their faith or as they say, they are confused a lot of times with being muslim. To me it matters not, to me it matters that human beings were killed because of another human being not letting these people live and practice peacefully in their temple what they chose to believe. If they are not hurting anyone else, if they are obeying the laws of the area they live in, the Country they reside, then live and let live. You don't want to join them then don't, like this petition, if you dont want to sign it, fine, go to another story. But passing on hateful commentary serves no one any good no more than that shooter did any good. Hate begets hate, destruction is that, it destroys. I'm about building up our communities, and I consider C2 a type of community.

I'm not a muslim, but I think those words are perfect that Abdessalam used in what I'm trying to convey, Peace. Peace be upon you Mabolsa, Peace upon all who read this comment, Peace to fill the hearts of all men, women, and children upon this Earth. We all need to strive to that goal, if some gain that by a faith then so be it, if others find Peace by not having a particular faith then so be it. But be respectful to others, love from your heart, honor that fact that we are all connected, that when one of us suffers we all do, and we will then be working towards Peace.

Mitakuye Oyasin.......We Are All Related
So Peace begins with Me.
 

Just Carole (338)
Sunday August 12, 2012, 3:14 pm

"I'm not a muslim, but I think those words are perfect that Abdessalam used in what I'm trying to convey, Peace. Peace be upon you Mabolsa, Peace upon all who read this comment, Peace to fill the hearts of all men, women, and children upon this Earth. We all need to strive to that goal, if some gain that by a faith then so be it, if others find Peace by not having a particular faith then so be it. But be respectful to others, love from your heart, honor that fact that we are all connected, that when one of us suffers we all do, and we will then be working towards Peace. "

Being a non-believer (of any organized religion.) May the Great Spirit read, and bless you, for those words.

 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Tuesday August 14, 2012, 11:33 am
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Dandelion because you have done so within the last week.
Thank you Sheryl. Peace be upon you and all humanity.
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Tuesday August 14, 2012, 11:37 am
Thank you Carole.A green star on its way to you.Hope peace will prevail and hatred will vanish.
 
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