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How Drones Help Al Qaeda


World  (tags: Drone, Ibrahim Mothana, Yemen, A.Q.A.P., Robert Grenier, CIA, Pakistan )

Dandelion
- 714 days ago - nytimes.com
Drone strikes are causing more and more Yemenis to hate America and join radical militants; they are not driven by ideology but rather by a sense of revenge and despair. Drone missile that kills child in Yemen will have the Father go to war with USA.



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Teresa W. (657)
Thursday August 9, 2012, 7:09 am
scary
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Thursday August 9, 2012, 7:35 am
Just because we are withdrawing troops out of Iraq and are planning to do so in Afghanistan, doesn't mean the War Machine is haulting. Also do not fall into an illusion that just because you have a Nobel Peace Prize President and Democrat in the White House that the War Machine is being put to bed somehow. Tactics may have changed but the War Machine beat goes on and on and on and on.

In light of the fact that the United States has launched 28 drone strikes in Yemen this year, up from 10 for all of last year, according to Long War Journal, a website that tracks the attacks using Yemeni and international news reports. And as stated by one writer and activist, adding his voice to the fray, who quoted a Yemeni Lawyer "“Dear Obama, when a U.S. drone missile kills a child in Yemen, the father will go to war with you, guaranteed. Nothing to do with Al Qaeda.”

Even Robert Grenier, the former head of the C.I.A.’s counterterrorism center, has warned that the American drone program in Yemen risks turning the country into a safe haven for Al Qaeda like the tribal areas of Pakistan — “the Arabian equivalent of Waziristan.”

Yet just this week, we had the White House counter-terrorism advisor, John Brennan, stating otherwise. Haven't we heard that song and dance before, like with VietNam and Iraq just to name two. Brennan said the drones are used only to target militants who aspire to attack the U.S. or its allies, not those who are battling to overthrow the central government in Sana.

Well that statement by Brennan opens up a whole other can of worms if you do not fully understand what is behind it. Target militants has been opened up to anyone within military age, and if someone is killed that is found later not to be on the target list, after they are dead, an apology or something is given.

I'm sure that a bit of blood money is passed around to appease the locals and loved ones for having lost their family and community member. It is the same thinking, money talks, and these people don't have feelings or should be grateful they can now go buy some new pots and pans or something. Sort of like the witch trials, oh she drowned, therefore she was really innocent, for only true witches would of lived, may her soul now rest in peace.

And I love the term, for those who aspire to attack the USA or it's allies. Well with the so called Leadership in my own Country allowing our economy to be tanked, millions dying without health care, the Republicans attack on the gays, women, children, Elders, and the Democrats allowing the War Machine to continue, that I might worry about someone in some dusty village, with limited funding, education, on the other side of the world who might aspire one day to attack me, seems awfully remote. However, if my Government angers enough of them, and someone with a lot of money offers to train them, give them weapons, to kill an American because our drones killed his son, wife, or brother, then I worry more.

Our Allies, well I suppose if we keep this police of the world mentality, we feel just in sticking our noses into everyone else's affairs, when Brennan states, "overthrow the central government in Sana." As the man in this article writes, "Yemeni tribes are generally quite pragmatic and are by no means a default option for radical religious groups seeking a safe haven. However, the increasing civilian toll of drone strikes is turning the apathy of tribal factions into anger." You know just maybe, the locals can handle their own affairs, just like we would if a band of thugs suddenly set up camp in our communities. Why would we be happy if say, China came over with its drones to help us and blew up a few of our relatives trying to rid us of those thugs.

U.S. special operations forces have been advising Yemeni military units, and Washington is providing $337 million in aid to Yemen this year, the largest American aid package ever disbursed to the impoverished nation. Just under half, or $159 million, goes for military and security assistance, while $178 million is for "political transition, humanitarian assistance and development," Brennan said.

If I thought it was just being sent as a true act of caring, it wouldn't be so bad, but again, we buy "officials" to let us do these military actions. Some well placed monies always help.

Brennan said it was important to address Yemen's deep-seated poverty, water shortages and political instability. But he did not say when or under what conditions the U.S. would end its targeted-killing campaign.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-us-yemen-20120809,0,4457664.story

Yes, we know how that one works, a few siphon off the monies that go straight to their personal use and the majority of the people see little to nothing of this money to improve their condition in life, and if anything watch their homes be blown up, their lives disrupted, and then we wonder why we are hated by so many people now in another part of the world.

Sorry, I took up so much space, but this so called out of sight and out of mind wars we have going on, still has us supporting this War Machine that is keeping a few people with coins in their pockets, not making us safer but is causing more unrest, and not addressing our own financial issues while spending money on war instead of peace.
DON'T BE FOOLED AGAIN......





 

Roger Garin-michaud (61)
Thursday August 9, 2012, 2:46 pm
noted thanks !
 

Mary T. (188)
Thursday August 9, 2012, 3:22 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Dandelion because you have done so within the last week., Thanks Dandelion I agree and have signed some petition against these Drones
 

Judy C. (106)
Thursday August 9, 2012, 4:37 pm
Dandelion, I'm so glad you're posting some articles on drones. This is such a serious issue, and it is such a blunder for the U.S. to use drones in the way we have been. It seems like we are trying to inflame the already volatile Middle East. We were once a respected nation, and now more and more people around the world are hating us. People still love our culture, such as music and fashion, but they hate our leaders and our foreign policy. What is Obama thinking?

Anyway, I've been following this topic closely, and trying to raise awareness about it. Thanks for this article, Dandelion! Here are links to some of the articles on drone warfare that I've posted over the last couple of years, for anyone who is interested in more info on this important subject:


What in the World? The Drone Debate Takes Off
What in the World? The Drone Debate Takes Off



Boredom, Terror, Deadly Mistakes: Secrets of the New Drone War
Boredom, Terror, Deadly Mistakes: Secrets of the New Drone War



As the Drone Flies... | Ralph Nader
As the Drone Flies... | Ralph Nader



Kucinich: US Drone Program Is "Vigilantism Conducted By Robots"
Kucinich: US Drone Program Is "Vigilantism Conducted By Robots"
 

Jim Phillips (3215)
Thursday August 9, 2012, 4:40 pm
"Drone strikes are causing more and more Yemenis to hate America and join radical militants; they are not driven by ideology but rather by a sense of revenge and despair. Robert Grenier, the former head of the C.I.A.’s counterterrorism center, has warned that the American drone program in Yemen risks turning the country into a safe haven for Al Qaeda like the tribal areas of Pakistan — “the Arabian equivalent of Waziristan.”"

"Anti-Americanism is far less prevalent in Yemen than in Pakistan. But rather than winning the hearts and minds of Yemeni civilians, America is alienating them by killing their relatives and friends. Indeed, the drone program is leading to the Talibanization of vast tribal areas and the radicalization of people who could otherwise be America’s allies in the fight against terrorism in Yemen."

Ty, Dandelion.
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Judy C. (106)
Thursday August 9, 2012, 4:46 pm
Crazy! My links doubled themselvss. This messaging system that can't be edited is so anoying. At least they work. :-)
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Thursday August 9, 2012, 5:24 pm
Thank you Judy for doing your part in this as well and I will check out those links you left.
I had placed some stories on before myself concerning drones, but have not done so recently. I thought it was time to do so as the pace of the drones is picking up, hence I did this story and the other one a couple days back. Anyone wanting to get a brief history of the drones can go to the link below:
A Short History of Drone Warfare by USA
 

. (0)
Thursday August 9, 2012, 5:53 pm
noted and thanks so much for the info as it is spot on. Thanks to both Judy and yourself for the links. Jim, you are so right my friend.
 

Jason S. (57)
Thursday August 9, 2012, 7:48 pm
The US made Al Qaeda with help for the CIA and a lot money, Need a reason to make war.
 

Lauren Kozen (153)
Thursday August 9, 2012, 8:39 pm
Noted. Thanks for posting this information & for the links.
 

Parsifal Rain S. (117)
Thursday August 9, 2012, 10:00 pm

What does the Taliban look like Dandelion ?
Terrorists - or honorable Freedom Fighters ?

Or the Vietcong ?
Or the former Resistance in France in times of the NaZi' occupation ?

Ronald Reagan Dedicates Space Shuttle Columbia To The Taliban

Now we have the same situation in Yemen, thanks global Hegemony, the allies of Globalization. The powers of Arrogance, created the ARTIFICIAL war on terror.

Mitkuye Oyasin

 

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 9, 2012, 10:54 pm
a great post and links Cheers
 

Phillipa W. (199)
Friday August 10, 2012, 1:17 am
so true.
 

Arild Warud (159)
Friday August 10, 2012, 1:40 am
Spot on Sheryl,the USA should stop all their military ops around the world.
 

John S. (297)
Friday August 10, 2012, 2:40 am
Thanks.
 

John Gregoire (257)
Friday August 10, 2012, 5:32 am
Yes but there is a huge BUT here. Drones keep our kids from having to be on the ground. In a pure world we would stay home and let Yemen worry about Yemen but that's not the hand we were dealt. I'm all for any and every weapon against terror that will keep our people out of harm's way.
 

Jhn Wzt (3)
Friday August 10, 2012, 1:09 pm
the "official" troops r withdrawing but what about the mercenaries & "security" firms like for example black water?theyr still there n yur the ones tht has to pay for theyr sins n theyr eagerness to protect the oil companies coffers & profit margin
 

Randy Robertson (14)
Friday August 10, 2012, 1:17 pm
If they took the cost of those drones and missiles, and dropped it as money on the poor regions, would the peoples fight the oppressors and Al Qaeda? That would be a way to get aid in without it being ripped off by beaurocrats. But jobs would be lost....the jobs of those that make killing paraphernalia.
 

Kit B. (277)
Friday August 10, 2012, 2:10 pm

Maybe we just had a small earth quake but after reading this and the links within the article I feel queasy. Not that I haven't been following this both in the print media and here on Care2, but just thinking in terms of my own family, I think some silent drone over head dropping bombs, would turn me into one mean, vengeance seeking combatant. Sure I get the idea that drones save the lives of US and allied soldiers. I think we all get that. Are we really looking long term here? Are the "leaders" of this country looking long term? Are we intentionally trying to feed more recruits to Al Qaeda?

Should we have intelligence on the ground in many of these countries? Probably but I think we also know, that while we are told, rather dramatically how this intelligence has saved us from a few bombers. We also know for a fact that intelligence is a part of the bureaucratic infrastructure and will continue to feed what is needed to keep itself going.

Call me a peacenik, but I believe we are walking path with no open door for a retreat. These are dangerous moves for us for the others be they in Yemen or any where, who must wonder daily if their family will be the next with a target for a bomb.
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Friday August 10, 2012, 3:05 pm
You are very correct Jhn Wzt, in fact I had just placed a short video on about that very same thing just a couple days ago. For anyone wanting to view it, click on the hotlink below.
Blackwater: The Shadow Army
 

Freya H. (298)
Friday August 10, 2012, 4:35 pm
And just wait until some right-wing gub-mint here starts to use drones on US--

Yeah, I know, paranoid, paranoid, paranoid. However, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean nobody's after your @$$.
 

Lois Jordan (55)
Friday August 10, 2012, 4:54 pm
Well, if Kit's a "peacenik," guess I'm one, too. In fact, rather than invade countries & drop bombs, I signed Kucinich's petition awhile back trying to open a "Dept. of Peace." WikiLeaks published much info about how our "intelligence" works in various countries...it's all about power, greed & corruption. They WANT constant wars.
On the flip side of this coin, what kind of pilots is the military training now? A drone pilot never leaves his seat...never places hands on an actual airplane. For decades, our commercial airline pilots mostly came from the military. They were well trained in handling aircraft. This is one reason Sully was able to land that plane in the Hudson rather than have it crash land, killing everyone onboard. So, if these drone pilots should seek jobs as commercial pilots, without ever actually flying a plane, (you fly a simulator in training), we're in real trouble. Of course, they have to take a "check ride" in an actual plane, but with all the computerized systems, they may never have to do any more than push a few buttons and land a plane with "an easy touch." They will fly never having had to take full control of an aircraft during an emergency...talk about panic!
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Friday August 10, 2012, 5:12 pm
I too signed the Dennis Kucinich petition you mention about Lois. For anyone also feeling that we need to push for more peace instead of always running off to some military conflict or war, the path to destruction. You can also add your name by clicking on the hotlink below:
Kucinich Petition Asking Congress to Make a cabinet level Department of Peace
 

Aletta Kraan (146)
Friday August 10, 2012, 6:48 pm
Noted !
 

Frank S. (454)
Friday August 10, 2012, 7:10 pm
Drones the way of the future, for population control.
 

Susanne R. (249)
Friday August 10, 2012, 7:10 pm
Collateral damage, especially in the form of innocent children, is never acceptable. You'll never gain anyone's support when you've killed their family.

Thanks for posting this important article, Dandelion. Actions taken.
 

Russell R. (87)
Friday August 10, 2012, 9:26 pm
They just want to keep the war machine going. They don't wars to end. That is a big source of money. Obama wasn't a millionaire when he took office and is now worth 47 million dollars. Between oil and munitions there is a lot of money to go around. Just ask the members of Congress. Their salaries are not really that large to support the life style that most of them have. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq (oil) they were all about keeping the war machine running and now we have a new toy that needs to be used, not stock piled. There will never be Peace. War is Money. The men(boys) behind these Drones are just playing a video game and nothing more!
 

Devon Leonard (54)
Saturday August 11, 2012, 1:57 am
Civilian deaths must never be glossed over...we must never allow apathy to tease us into turning aside from what we know is wrong action... These Drone aircraft are scary to me. I don't like them. Life and death cannot become a video game played from afar. The blood that is spilled is real.
I would hate to think that these Drones are the wave of the future in law enforcement....here, or anywhere..
Thanks Dandelion for this update .....
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Saturday August 11, 2012, 6:54 am
Susanne and Devon, so correct, innocent life has value, is never acceptable no matter what the so called noble reason it is to take it so easily. Russell is correct, too much money in Washington blinds the real blood spilled by many. They loose all concept of their moral compass when green paper and gold coins are waved in front of their eyes.
 

Terrie Williams (761)
Saturday August 11, 2012, 8:55 am
Death From Above....the new 'toy' for the Fascists to 'play' with. Life means nothing to them. Money means everything to them. Russel has it right on the (no pun, honest!) money. Little Boyz playing a video game in the darkened halls of the Pentagon because they have to keep the MIC rolling along........kills the soul doesn't it...

I wish we could take away the MIC toys and give them sticks, stones, swords and shields. If they want to play war....that's all they get to play with and then it would be up close and personal on the battlefields where one has to look the other soldier in the eyes and try to take his/her life. Drastically different when it's one on one. There would be a whole lot less war.

Signed, noted and shared on Fb, Sheryl.
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Saturday August 11, 2012, 9:05 am
So true Terrie, thanks for sharing with others. Wait for mainstream media to do so we wait a long time.
 

Ancil S. (175)
Sunday August 12, 2012, 12:02 am
War Is Not Healthy for Children and Other Living things.
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Thursday August 23, 2012, 1:15 pm
PETITION IF ANYONE IS STILL TRACKING OR COMES ACROSS THIS THREAD.
CODEPINK STOP THE DRONES
 

Yvonne F. (163)
Friday August 31, 2012, 8:01 am
Great post Dandelion! Sometime the politicians have to get it, it is about solving problems not create them!!!
 

Patricia Cannell (748)
Friday September 14, 2012, 9:09 am
Frank Solis - that may work but that doesn't mean it is right! Wow! Can't believe you actually said that! Sure don't want to put you in any position of power....no offense. This is just another control device to kill women and children, not just soldiers. I suppose it's hit them where they hurt - everywhere. Really what war boils down to is the powers that be want more money - plain and simple. Thanks for posting D!
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Friday September 14, 2012, 9:38 am
Patricia, knowing Frank, I do believe he was being sarcastic, hence why I didn't call him out on that comment of his. However it is hard to place sarcasm across by only the written word when we can't see their face or tone of voice. I do some sarcasm on C2 as well once in awhile, most who know me realize it, but I've learned for those who do not know me it might not look right, so I now write *sarcasm* by the comment.
 

Patricia Cannell (748)
Friday September 14, 2012, 3:52 pm
Well writing *sarcasm* would be a big help. You are right about not being able to tell emotions here. So very hard, but after all, I did say no offense and it was just MY opinion. Perhaps Frank would like to clear his name or maybe next time do the *sarcasm* thing. Thanks for some clarification D!! Would really hate to think that anyone would have an opinion like that!! Hugz!!
 
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