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First Australians Ever to Have Been Killed By the US Drone Program


World  (tags: Jeremy Scahill, Dirty Wars, Christopher Havard, Darryl Jones, New Zealand, Australia, USA, drones )

Sheryl
- 1515 days ago - abc.net.au
Jeremy Scahill is the national security correspondent for The Nation and author of the book Dirty Wars: The World Is a Battlefield, which deals with the US drone program. Australia seems to be in compliance despite fact they don't have death penalty.



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Rose Becke (141)
Tuesday May 27, 2014, 5:24 pm
I hate drones and wars
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 27, 2014, 6:29 pm
Drones should only be used in the effort to stop poachers+illegal logging. Thx Dandelion
 

Animae C (516)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 5:50 am
Thank You Dandelion.
 

Sheryl G (360)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 6:24 am
I thought the video was most enlightening concerning the fact that your Govt. doesn't even have the death penalty yet our Govt. is deciding which of your citizens to give the death sentence to. No trial, no jury, no evidence that an Australian and New Zealand citizen is even guilty. They could be horrible people, they could be doing wrong, but I would think that the people of Australia would want some say in the matter. But it appears your Govt. has said it is okay and Pine Gap is involved, so who knows, perhaps they might be launching at some point from your soil if not already.
 

Birgit W (160)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 6:40 am
Natasha S. says it all, thanks.
 

Ben O (142)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 6:58 am
I sent it to the front page! : ~ )
 

Frans Badenhorst (582)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 7:09 am
rather I say nothing......but , thanks for posting Dandelion
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 7:19 am
Noted! Thanks for posting.
 

Bruce C D (89)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 8:04 am
@Ros G--
It is my understanding that drones are controlled from the U.S. The missiles are carried on the drones. Presumably, drones are launched from the nearest U.S. bases or aircraft carriers, which in Yemen would probably be Saudi Arabia. Drones usually monitor an area, and it wouldn't make sense to burn up most of their fuel by launching them from a distant location. Consequently, I don't believe their effective range is all that great. However, I think you're asking the wrong question. The more relevant question would be, when would the Australian government not allow the U.S. to launch missiles or drones from Australia?

Scahill does an excellent job in this interview delineating the problems with drones. "One set of rules for the U.S. and its allies and another set for everyone else" sums up the height of hypocrisy involved. But, as Scahill points out, it isn't just the U.S.; Great Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand are fully complicit in the drone program and intelligence overreaches depriving people everywhere of due process and a right to privacy. It should also be pointed out that the governments of Yemen, Afghanistan and Pakistan are also complicit in the drone program. Another salient point: the far right is not in touch with reality. I wholeheartedly agree, although that minority on the right are certainly welcome allies when it comes to drones and the NSA. And while their fears may be largely unfounded at present, it is not unreasonable to fear how such programs could easily come to be turned by a government into being used against their own citizens domestically. To some extent, it appears that has already been happening with the NSA.
 

Sheryl G (360)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 8:18 am
Thank you Bruce for the well thought out comment after having viewed the video.
 

Mandi T (367)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 11:41 am
Oh my :( noted ty Sheryl
 

LaurenBackSoon Kozen (173)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 12:39 pm
Noted & Shared. Thanks Sheryl.
 

Wilde T (10)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 12:55 pm
Nothing surprising since Iraq was such an absurd preemptive strike based on claims of imminent threat from Iraq in order to by-pass the UN Security Council. Illegally, since we had no such knowledge at all just a suspicion or trumped appearance of such.
Fears in the US are not substantiated but not necessarily invalid with means other than drones since enforcement is now talking the talk of preemptive law enforcement. There is no law for determining pre-guilt but using profiles they could actually accomplish character assassination by investigation of someone and planting rumors to give an appearance someone is guilty of something and perhaps even instigate a suicide as in 2 anthrax researchers who did just that. You don't have to prove anything in court once they are dead.

It is really the end of international and domestic rule of law in a complex modern society that prefers to just take the glove off. Then they can use any profile or bias or predisposition for any kind of gain economic, political, religious or personal. Economic as in drug raids where they just confiscate property and cash, here in the US.
 

Sharon F (0)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 1:20 pm
Shameful!!!
 

Yvonne White (229)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 2:12 pm
I know it says they were part of a "terrorist cell", but Were They Really? Will there be any investigation? "Christopher Havard and Darryl Jones—a dual citizen of New Zealand—were reportedly among five members of al-Qaeda killed in a drone strike." Is Yemen a free-for-all zone?
 

Colleen L (3)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 2:23 pm
I too thank Bruce for his comment. I honestly wish they'd stop any of these dangerous devices. The way they cab kill innocent people or do major harm to towns is too much for me. I want peace in the world not people or machines killing. Thanks Dandelion.
 

Jonathan Harper (0)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 2:51 pm
Noted
 

Gloria H (88)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 2:56 pm
don't think the military wouldn't use drones in case of American civil unrest on citizens IN the US.
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 4:58 pm
Interesting post--thanks.
 

Syd H (0)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 5:17 pm
If you knowingly associate with mass murderers and terrorists such as al-Qaeda, you must expect and rightly deserve any consequences of your action.
 

SuSanne P (193)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 6:34 pm
Thank you Dandelion. I have been disgusted at the drone strikes since day 1~ the collateral damage, ie: DEATH of innocent children, men and women alike is appalling, to me. I find it quite suspicious that Australia and New Zealand Prime Ministers are "celebrating" their assassinated citizens rather than even questioning such gross negligence (for lack of the words I want to say). I agree with DandeLION's post, especially "... but I would think that the people of Australia would want some say in the matter. But it appears your Govt. has said it is okay and Pine Gap is involved, so who knows, perhaps they might be launching at some point from your soil if not already".
War is becoming so DIRTY while watching the arrogance and successful truths there are really 2 sets of rules. OURS=5 and the rest of the world. I was ignorant of this and wonder if it was in the Nation, as I still subscribe to it! I LOVE my mags! I am pleased he brought up Snowden as for all that are interested, he is being interviewed (in Russia) at prime time (whatever that means) on NBC this evening. Thank you for the video D.
 

SuSanne P (193)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 6:38 pm
I forgot to THANK Bruce, as I wish I were as eloquent and Brilliant your posts always are!
 

lisa O (6)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 6:51 pm
What a mess!
 

Patsy Olive (0)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 9:32 pm
Noted.
 

Inge B (202)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 10:54 pm
China and Russia have already built their own Drone and also wants to rule the world! Yes Lisa, what a mess

Love
 

Debra Tate (17)
Wednesday May 28, 2014, 11:28 pm
noted
 

Maria Teresa Schollhorn (42)
Thursday May 29, 2014, 1:13 am
Noted! Thanks Dandelion!
 

Nimue Michelle Pendragon Gaze (339)
Thursday May 29, 2014, 1:30 am
Little America is what we are becoming. Regrettably so.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 29, 2014, 2:48 am
Noted.
 

Giana P (398)
Thursday May 29, 2014, 2:51 am
Drones should be put to good use, like saving our animals.
 

P A (117)
Thursday May 29, 2014, 2:56 am
Just awful. thanks Dandelion.
 

Arild Gone for now (174)
Thursday May 29, 2014, 3:22 am
Using drones is changing war into a unpersonal videogame,they should be used for peaceful purposes only.
Thanks Sheryl.
 

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Thursday May 29, 2014, 4:28 am


 

Don H (45)
Thursday May 29, 2014, 7:11 am
Disgusting chickenhawks.

These remote drone controllers would poop their pants if they had to face real combat. Drones are for cowards.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 29, 2014, 7:28 am
As I live in Britain we don't have the death penalty either but our government is more than willing to send immigrants back to their countries of origin to be killed and support these drone attacks in some cases even launching them from British planes and ships. Double standards?
 

Joanne D (38)
Thursday May 29, 2014, 9:56 am
OK here's a "modest proposal." The point of drones is to save us from terrorists. The most terror in the US is from mass shootings. So, how about we launch a domestic drone whenever (a) anyone leaves their home carrying an automatic weapon, and (b) anyone with the faintest history of mental illness, or anyone who has ever posted on a designated hate group, leaves their home carrying any weapon. No? I didn't think so. But isn't that what we are in fact doing with our drones, just doing it outside the US?

BTW Don H, unless the military has changed a LOT from when I was in, the remote drone controllers didn't choose that job, they were assigned it on the basis of a battery of standardized tests.
 

Sheryl G (360)
Thursday May 29, 2014, 10:43 am
I like your idea Joanne, and I believe you are correct about the people not having much say in what they are in fact assigned to do. Most of them, from what I'm reading, are coming out with PTSD, so they are hardly getting away with no damage.

For instance:

Former drone operator Brandon Bryant tells NBC's Richard Engel that he felt like he became a "heartless" "sociopath" under the drone program. The images coming back from the drones are very real and very graphic. Bryant said; “People say that drone strikes are like mortar attacks." “Well, artillery doesn't see this. Artillery doesn't see the results of their actions. It's really more intimate for us, because we see everything.”

He described how after he hit a group of 3 men of one of them that was running forward, missing his right leg. He said he watched as this guy bleed out, the blood is hot. As the man died his body grew cold, his thermal image changed until he became the same color as the ground.

Bryant and the rest of his team were supposed to use their drone to provide support and protection to patrolling U.S. troops. But he recalls watching helplessly as insurgents buried an IED in a road and a U.S. Humvee drove over it.

“We had no way to warn the troops,” he said. He later learned that three soldiers died.
http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/06/18787450-former-drone-operator-says-hes-haunted-by-his-part-in-more-than-1600-deaths
 

Marija M (29)
Thursday May 29, 2014, 10:50 am
Awful!! Thank you Dandelion.
 

Shaheen N (64)
Thursday May 29, 2014, 11:49 am
I cannot view the YouTube Video as its restricted in Pakistan. Sadly noted & read the responses above. I can guess or have an idea as to what is it about. Pakistan has been under Drone attacks, to finish the terrorists such as Al-Qaeda & has suffered immensely the collateral damage, ie: Death of innocent children, men and women. Thanks Sheryl & Susanne for posting.
 

Shaheen N (64)
Thursday May 29, 2014, 11:59 am
Sheryl, I have signed all your Petitions except the last one, which for US citizens only.
 

Arild Gone for now (174)
Thursday May 29, 2014, 1:57 pm
I suppose using drones is what they do when the President states: "No boots on the Ground".
 

Sheri Schongold (7)
Thursday May 29, 2014, 2:04 pm
Noted.
 

Sheryl G (360)
Friday May 30, 2014, 4:44 am
Yes, no boots on the ground, but another slick way to keep us in conflicts. People are tired of wars over here so I guess if we limit it to a small group of those that are involved in the drone program, keep it quiet, then for most of the population that doesn't have the time scrambling around trying to keep a roof over their head, nor take the time to read or investigate, these war conflicts are not happening in most people's minds.
 

Diane K (134)
Sunday June 1, 2014, 7:32 am
Sadly, approved drone strikes against US citizens, is being discussed. News I haven't heard before, about the strikes overseas, in the video. Thanks for sharing.
 

Sheryl G (360)
Sunday June 1, 2014, 11:05 am
This is what Americans are not knowing is we've already had 3 American citizens killed by drones in a 2 week period. Between killing it's citizens with drones and killing it's citizens with the death penalty along with the ones' who do not get timely treatment in the VA; the Government we have isn't being very nice to it's citizens. One must be careful what they as citizens are allowing. Violence begets violence.....we are a violent society; although we claim otherwise.
 

Betty Kelly (4)
Sunday June 1, 2014, 6:00 pm
Were these reported deaths Accidents or Accidents on Purpous, or Outrifht Killings ?
 

Sheryl G (360)
Monday June 2, 2014, 4:52 am
Betty that is explained in the video and it's important to watch the video to realize what is going on. I'd prefer that one listens to Jeremy Scahill explain this; but first criterea for targeted strikes is "Imminent" threat to USA, we do not know this, if it was or not, and Australia doesn't seem to be interested in finding out. For two Nations that both go on the premise that citizens of their Countries have certain rights to due process, it's imperative we know.
 

Gary L (138)
Monday June 2, 2014, 9:52 am
our country has conducted murder for many years to achieve the silence of those who disagree
 

Gina Caracci (219)
Monday June 16, 2014, 12:47 pm
DIdnt get a chance to read all comments..but the two I saw Natasha and Gary were spot on..
and of course Dandelion too.
 

Michael M (60)
Tuesday June 24, 2014, 1:45 pm
I notice a comment supporting extrajudicial execution in the column.
Perhaps such a person, willing to kill anyone not seeing eye-to-eye, may not be sensitive to care2's intention.

It sounds rather like some gun nut giving veiled threat, as is increasingly common in the USA, but inappropriate in any caring or civilised society.

Make your own determination as to what you intend in care2 community.

Should it continue to attract such members, it might at some point not remain a place of value.

 

Sheryl G (360)
Thursday July 3, 2014, 2:23 am
I very much agree Michael M.
 
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